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Anonymous No.149661239 [Report] >>149663382 >>149664343 >>149665452 >>149665620 >>149665754 >>149671068 >>149678931 >>149684121 >>149684152 >>149689826
Toil & Trouble
Does anyone still have the leaked animatics from this show?
I want to watch them again
Anonymous No.149661384 [Report] >>149662786 >>149663382 >>149666956 >>149681439
I'm still pissed off this show is cancelled
here's some new art
Anonymous No.149661406 [Report] >>149662786 >>149663382 >>149668945
Anonymous No.149661612 [Report] >>149664369
Yeah, I have them on an old hard drive.
If no one has shared them in a few hours, I’ll.
Anonymous No.149662562 [Report] >>149672873 >>149672938
So... is her charming part pink when she spreads it, or light green?
Anonymous No.149662786 [Report] >>149663373 >>149666700 >>149666956
>>149661406
>>149661384
FUCK NETFLIX
Anonymous No.149663373 [Report] >>149666956
>>149662786
Yeah, fuck 'em.
They stole our cute witchy from us.
Anonymous No.149663382 [Report] >>149664099
>>149661239 (OP)
>>149661384
>>149661406

>Noooo we cannot spend more money on another cartoon
>Wastes 300M in this stupid flick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gUDaPTPxwo
Anonymous No.149664099 [Report]
>>149663382
Well yeah, but, at this point why even complain?
Anonymous No.149664343 [Report]
>>149661239 (OP)
This one still breaks my heart
Anonymous No.149664369 [Report] >>149666271
>>149661612
Please. I never saw this when it leaked and missed out.
Anonymous No.149665452 [Report] >>149665677 >>149666700 >>149673825 >>149678910
>>149661239 (OP)

>Make one of the most popular cartoons (for better or for worse) for the 2010s
>Every other studio axes her original ideas

I don't understand the logic of this
Anonymous No.149665620 [Report]
>>149661239 (OP)
Judging by the artworks I always thought of this being like Kiki's Delivery Service meets The Modifyers even up to the point of me imagining the Witch Girl being voiced by Mae Whitman and the cat's voice being a Phil Hartman impression.
Anonymous No.149665677 [Report] >>149665754 >>149665754 >>149665831 >>149665834 >>149665972 >>149678910 >>149679773 >>149690265
>>149665452
It's an open secret that Lauren is difficult to work with when it comes towards what the network and the executives want from their cartoons. Craig managed to get PPG, Foster's, WoY, and Kid Cosmic through being professional and making compromises. If you compare the concept art and initial pitches stuff of these shows, you can see just how much didn't make it in.

Meanwhile, Lauren is VERY particular as to what she wants her shows to be and who she wants to appeal to. Her take on DC Superhero Girls flopped with the established audience because Lauren wants girl action-adventure shows over traditional girl shows (cute girls doing cute things).

Horse show did well because it wasn't Lauren's original concept, but an established IP. Lauren then made it into an adventure show, and if she had it her way, it would have stayed one (see the comics). Hasbro didn't like that and wanted it to be more of what we eventually got (without Lauren). Lauren refused to compromise and left.

So if you're a showrunner who bails whenever the executive says "make your show more like this", then you're probably also the sort of showrunner to make pitches towards networks that are more keen to alienate the executives and investors.
Anonymous No.149665754 [Report] >>149665831 >>149666017 >>149666146 >>149668913 >>149672504
>>149661239 (OP)
>>149665677
>>149665677
I really like DCSHG and horse show, but I can completely understand why Netflix canned Toil and Trouble. I know I would have loved it, but it absolutely would have flopped with normie/casual girls because at first glance it isn't cutesy/pink/conventionally girly enough. Lauren is doomed to never get a girls show off the ground because she's better at appealing towards boys.
Anonymous No.149665831 [Report]
>>149665677
>>149665754

I mean it really says something when people where praising that James Baxter test of Medusa only for Lauren to clarify that it belonged to other version of the film after she left beacuse Sony wanted a Disney Princess clone.
Anonymous No.149665834 [Report] >>149665936 >>149671314
>>149665677
But given that her stuff is very popular, maybe that just means she knows what the fuck she's talking about and executives should listen, that the winds have changed and she's sailing them if they'll just give her a damn boat.

She's not the only case of this either. I could name probably 6 other creatives that have had very similar issues.
Anonymous No.149665936 [Report] >>149666032 >>149666276 >>149673623 >>149683750 >>149690372
>>149665834
Horse show was VERY popular but not because of Lauren. It popped off in the seasons immediately after Lauren left, and then kept a strong following even towards the very end after good executive choices (EQ) and bad (make the main characters into teachers for a potential spin-off). Most of what makes horse show successful has to do with it being cozy/comfy/funny and focusing on friendship and character moments, not so much the action-adventure.

Lauren doesn't know what she's talking about because Lauren is stuck in the mindset of the 90s and early 2000s when action-adventure shows were successfully aimed at women BECAUSE they primarily appealed towards feminine stuff over masculine stuff (Magical Girl anime, Charlie's Angels, Charmed, Xena, etc) except her takeaway is

>what if I made an action-adventure show aimed at women except didn't make the main focus anything women give a shit about (girls talking about their feelings, things happening to women, women being reactive characters, attractive male romance interests, girls wearing all sorts of outfits, slice of life, girls getting into petty drama)
Anonymous No.149665972 [Report]
>>149665677
This show could've been made though. It had a full season written, animatics made and model sheets and animation being done at mercury filmworks. It was only a matter of completing it but then netflix stepped in and said they didn't want the show anymore. The only chance we'll get to see it now is if someone puts out the stuff that was made for it before it got cancelled
Anonymous No.149666017 [Report] >>149666558 >>149672447
>>149665754
>Lauren is doomed to never get a girls show off the ground because she's better at appealing towards boys.
She's trying to get little girls interested in adventure shit, because that's what she wished she had to watch growing up, when unfortunately, that's just not what little girls actually want.

Lego had a similar issue when trying to appeal to little girls. It's not that little girls are forced into playing dollies and tea party and dressup and house. It's that that's what the vast majority of them WANT. Real tomboys are scarcer than bigfoot.
You can even see it in video games, they play pokemon and minecraft because they're fuckhuge names but they play the hyper-casual aesthetic focused side building a pretty little house and shiny hunting favorites they're not redstone engineers or PVPers or anything else, and then stuff like stardew valley and animal crossing. Try to cross the divide and you get nowhere.
Scientists in the 60s tried to get a bunch of kids raised without societal influencing on what to play, and they found the divide was EVEN WORSE. It's not indoctrination at all, it's nature, if anything societal contact actually makes boys more likely to want to play spouse around the house and girls more likely to play pretend action adventure and hit each other with sticks rescuing imaginary princesses.
Anonymous No.149666032 [Report] >>149666215
>>149665936
in comparison, I hear k-pop demon hunters is doing gangbusters, and it has all of that.
Anonymous No.149666146 [Report] >>149672447
>>149665754
This show would've came out right at the time people were hopping off owl house and looking for a new witchy show, and it's one of those things that visually look so appealing I can see people really liking it just for that. The truth is, we never got a chance to see if it would succeed or not and we never will. And now that we're in a drought of good animated media at all if this came out everyone would flock to it
Anonymous No.149666215 [Report] >>149668948 >>149671643
>>149666032
The word going round the rumor mill is that studio heads are baffled as to how/why K-Pop demon hunters did well and not the existing men's IP being poorly warped to appeal to women

It's almost like the studio heads (and even creatives) don't actually pay attention to what women buy or enjoy.
Anonymous No.149666271 [Report] >>149666415 >>149668960
>>149664369
Well, I remember there was a PDF with all sorts of stuff, and a RAR containing pics.
I searched an old hard drive and I found the RAR. I'm catboxing it now.
If I saved that, then I probably have the PDF also.
Anonymous No.149666276 [Report] >>149666677
>>149665936
>Horse show was VERY popular but not because of Lauren. It popped off in the seasons immediately after Lauren left
Imagine fucking saying this on 4chan. On fucking /co/ no less. Were you even alive 15 years ago?
Anonymous No.149666415 [Report]
>>149666271
Animatics were posted as well at some point but now there's just only pics of them floating around the archives somewhere
Anonymous No.149666505 [Report] >>149666823 >>149671077
Is it that fucking hard to make a fucking cartoon about a witch? What the fuck is wrong with executives?! Wicca is so fucking common. Reminds me of the kind of girls I would date. Fuck these faggots.
Anonymous No.149666558 [Report] >>149667114 >>149669045
>>149666017
also, semi-related side point, but Jungian archetype conspiracy theory here, I'm like 90% sure that save the princess narratives are why we have so many lesbians now.

Like women are being told they're not supposed to be passive anymore, the call to the active heroes journey stuff applies to them to, and the heroes journey pattern often includes princess saving, and the hero gets the girl, so if I'm the active hero of my life, and the hero gets the girl, then I must be a girl-getter.

She-ra and Korra and Luz are huge examples of this in action I feel.
Anonymous No.149666677 [Report] >>149671274 >>149671304 >>149671319
>>149666276
yeah dudes a dumbass. watchership was definitely highest while it was on The Hub.

I could see dollar revenue being higher after she left. There was definitely a lot more toys, which is Hasbo's main money maker after all.
Anonymous No.149666700 [Report]
>>149662786
>>149665452
FUCK DISNEY TOO
Anonymous No.149666703 [Report] >>149666785
How does one avoid this error?
Anonymous No.149666785 [Report] >>149667298
>>149666703
maybe upload to gofile or grannyupload instead
Anonymous No.149666823 [Report] >>149669266
>>149666505
It was cancelled by the same executive dumb fuck that cancelled Bone.
So I don't think it was anything specific to Toil & Trouble, the guy just doesn't like semi-dark children's fantasy animated series I guess.
This was also the guy who thought that the solution to fixing subscriber numbers in free-fall was to cancel upcoming shows, so I get the idea he just doesn't actually understand how media or subscription services work, he's coming at it from a goods and services business perspective. "Cancel R&D on new projects to save costs." Okay bud, but what are people paying to watch then? It's not a new model of iphone or new flavor of oreo, you can't coast on old reliables, especially when a lot of them are on other services too, people pay you because they trust your brand (you have already fucked this up, that's why they're cancelling) and because you offer NEW, EXCLUSIVE content. Do you really think it's a good idea to be defunding your originals right now?
Anonymous No.149666956 [Report] >>149667055 >>149671642
>>149661384
>>149662786
>>149663373
This series probably wasn't going to be good at all, the reason it was picked was because of Faust's reputation preceding her and the actual quality of her work.
Anonymous No.149667033 [Report] >>149667073 >>149667341 >>149671624
>Creator makes concept of a show
>Shows it to big brand
>Big brand cancels production on it
>Big brand is allowed to keep the concept locked away forever and the creator can do nothing about it
I don't get why this is a thing
Anonymous No.149667055 [Report] >>149672447
>>149666956
it's impossible to know without actually being able to watch it, but I did a little digging and apparently a little after the show got cancelled lauren showed the pilot to a college class and someone who saw that reviewed it. So I guess at least a few people outside the shows production got to see it
https://www.tumblr.com/quartings/710809205848834048/college-adventures-special-episode-viii-interview
Anonymous No.149667073 [Report] >>149667247
>>149667033
because they have all the power.
you will own nothing and be happy goyim, not even the products of your own mind.
Anonymous No.149667114 [Report] >>149671120 >>149672561
>>149666558
Nah, the reason for lesbian characters in cartoons is because American animation is currently carried by female audiences. Men/fiction by and for boys are less likely to include LGBT characters as main characters, let alone focus on romance as a primary thing. Anime and video games pulled away the male demo that was watching cartoons, especially in the mid 2010s.

Lesbian characters and cartoons with LGBT stuff at the forefront (Steven Universe, She-Ra, TLOK, TOH) only got pushed because:

>in the case of TLOK it was due to a last minute attempt at relevancy/controversy
>with SU, Sugar had to avoid being direct and explicit with the romance (and when she did, the show was canned)
>similarly, She-Ra was only able to make Catradora direct and explicit at the end
>TOH came out swinging with Luz being openly bi and being in a romance with a girl (Dana has stated that Disney was against the inclusion of LGBT characters during the production of TOH, then they changed their minds only to then revert back to being against it)
>when TOH made Lumity explicit in S2, Disney pulled the plug and claimed it was because TOH didn't fit with the brand

People forget that until games and anime popped off with boys, the general perception was that cartoons were watched by boys even into adulthood. Most girls would drop cartoons when they hit puberty, but then return to cartoons when they entered college or joined the workforce.

Now the boys are dropping cartoons and have no incentive to come back while only the geeky liberal girls are sticking with cartoons.
Anonymous No.149667247 [Report] >>149667455
>>149667073
and people here give indie creators shit
Anonymous No.149667298 [Report] >>149667360 >>149667472
>>149666785
gofile.io.d.6EYsgR

Tell me if this worked. I also found the PDF.
If there was just one PDF, then I found everything.
Anonymous No.149667341 [Report]
>>149667033
Jews/Americans/Californians. The French,Germans, Spanish, Italian don't do that bullshit. Not sure about the Britbongs and Canadians.
Anonymous No.149667360 [Report]
>>149667298
https://gofile.io.d.6EYsgR

Fixed?
Anonymous No.149667455 [Report] >>149667492
>>149667247
unfortunately, that's not the typical reason for someone being an indie creator. typically it has more to do with huffing their own farts or just having a horrible idea or execution but enough backing to force it to exist anyways.
Anonymous No.149667472 [Report]
>>149667298
if I remember correctly this is just one portion of a bunch of folders that originally leaked
thanks for the reupload though, I appreciate it considering how easily some of this stuff has already gotten lost
Anonymous No.149667481 [Report] >>149667940 >>149671234
https://gofile.io/d/6EYsgR

Tell me if this worked. I also found the PDF.
If there was just one PDF, then I found everything.
Anonymous No.149667492 [Report] >>149667810
>>149667455
you kinda just sound like a hater at this point
Anonymous No.149667810 [Report]
>>149667492
Mighty Number 9.
Anonymous No.149667940 [Report] >>149671234
>>149667481
netflix unannounced animated tv series episode 8.pdf
https://granny.anondrop.net/uploads/1ee47348255b868e

I don't know if I have all the files, but I may.
Gonna be a while before i find them all though.
Save them as I share them! We don't wqnt them to be lost again.
Anonymous No.149668380 [Report] >>149668449
I feel bad for Lauren Faust...
Cyn No.149668449 [Report]
>>149668380
You flip a coin to decide if you accept the offer from Solver, or give it up for Faust.

You can be an immortal drone, who do you choose?
Anonymous No.149668913 [Report]
>>149665754
>it absolutely would have flopped with normie/casual girls because at first glance it isn't cutesy/pink/conventionally girly enough
This vastly underestimates the potential of the "girl" market. People think that's what girls want because traditionally that's all they get. Networks have yet to try doing something that isn't cutesy/pink/conventionally girly that also doesn't suck complete ass.
Anonymous No.149668945 [Report] >>149669274
>>149661406
Damn this looks fucking awesome
Anonymous No.149668948 [Report]
>>149666215
oh boy, I can't wait for them to take the exact wrong lesson from this and start crapping out joyless K-Pop demon hunter clones. For the next few years, it's all we're going to get and they're going to ride that clone-fest into the fucking dirt.
Anonymous No.149668960 [Report]
>>149666271
PDFs and pics are not animatics.
Anonymous No.149669045 [Report]
>>149666558
> I'm like 90% sure that save the princess narratives are why we have so many lesbians now
You can't change someone's sexuality based on something they watch. If that were true, it would be a relatively simple matter to "prevent" kids from becoming gay.
It's far more likely that lesbians appear to be more prevalent largely because it's more accepted in society now than it ever was before. Whereas people were more incentivized to remain closeted in the past in fear of societal repercussions, these days people who may have gay inclinations can feel more free to explore that side of themselves. The number of lesbians hasn't really changed. The number who have discovered that about themselves and/or are public about it has.
It's sort of like autism. People think that there are more autistic people now than there were before, but it's far more likely that the higher prevalence is due to our increased ability to recognize and diagnose it. Before, a lot of people who were likely autistic were hand waved away as being "eccentric", "creative", or "odd", but there wasn't necessarily a clinical definition to accompany it. The number of autists didn't change. Society did.
Anonymous No.149669266 [Report] >>149672236
>>149666823
I never really understood the whole "shows need to pull in new subscribers or they're failing".
1) how many people are left who don't have a netflix subscription yet? It would make sense that those numbers would roll off as the majority of people are already on that platform.
2) you need to keep the people already on your platform from leaving. If you want everyone on your platform, then you need to have something for everyone (even if some of those shows only serve a niche).
3) Not related to shows like Bone or Toil & Trouble, but how long can Netflix keep cancelling shows after 1 or 2 seasons without resolving their stories before people get pissed off and stop bothering to watch? At this point, I'd almost rather wait until a series finale to START watching a show just so I know that I won't get invested just to get blueballed.
Anonymous No.149669274 [Report]
>>149668945
>looked
ftfy
Anonymous No.149669359 [Report] >>149669641
Fim f@m fum I smell a Lauren Faust in this thread...
Anonymous No.149669641 [Report]
>>149669359
Hope not for her own reputation. She already pissed off a bunch of industry shills for dropping a Q&A on the poni board. She needs no more red flags.
RW No.149670262 [Report] >>149685469
Still sad about this show being gone :/
Anonymous No.149670998 [Report]
This thread is making me sad...
Anonymous No.149671068 [Report] >>149671320
>>149661239 (OP)
...that goat looks like a girl. If the animals speak, I'm interested.
Anonymous No.149671077 [Report]
>>149666505
Probably got cancelled because it wasn't about preteen lesbian relationships, as it seems most shows for girls are.
Anonymous No.149671120 [Report]
>>149667114
Whatever, dude. Disney had people (women, of course) in place who OPENLY stated their goal was to make everything more lgbt, and that they couldn't be fired. Most notably, Disney Executive Latoya Raveneau.
Anonymous No.149671234 [Report] >>149671536
>>149667481
It works, thanks

THIS, though
>>149667940
Gave me a "site not available" and a virus blocked warning
Anonymous No.149671274 [Report]
>>149666677
Hell yeah. By the second ep, shit was riding a tidal wave. And, not a brony, but it was good. I checked out the first airing of the first ep expecting another crappy run like G3...and It was good. Not as good as G1, which will always hold a special place in my heart due to the "human kid transported to alternate universe on a VOLUNTARY basis" aspect, and dude gets killed or mentally hijacked via a vr headset (god, asians are SO uncreative sometimes) to wake up stuck in a damn D&D video game.
Anonymous No.149671304 [Report]
>>149666677
Hell yeah. By the second ep, shit was riding a tidal wave. And, not a brony, but it was good. I checked out the first airing of the first ep expecting another crappy run like G3...and It was good. Not as good as G1, which will always hold a special place in my heart due to the "human kid transported to alternate universe on a VOLUNTARY basis" aspect which was done a few times in the 80's, and not the "dude gets killed or mentally hijacked via a vr headset (god, asians are SO uncreative sometimes) to wake up stuck in a damn D&D video game" crap we have these days. I wouldn't mind if they went BACK to G1's premise of humans visiting ponies and vice versa for G5 or later.
Anonymous No.149671314 [Report]
>>149665834
Lauren wants to make shows that appeal to girls like her. Action shows for girls.

But what she doesn't realize is that she in the minority of girls. She's literally not like other girls.

Action girls are nice but girls don't stick with them.
Anonymous No.149671319 [Report]
>>149666677
Hell yeah. By the second ep, shit was riding a tidal wave. And, not a brony, but it was good. I checked out the first airing of the first ep expecting another crappy run like G3...and It was good. Not as good as G1, which will always hold a special place in my heart due to the "human kid transported to alternate universe on a VOLUNTARY basis" aspect which was done a few times in the 80's, and not the "dude gets killed or mentally hijacked via a vr headset (god, asians are SO uncreative sometimes) to wake up stuck in a damn D&D video game" crap we have these days. I wouldn't mind if they went BACK to G1's premise of humans visiting ponies and vice versa for G6 or later.
Anonymous No.149671320 [Report] >>149671337
>>149671068
Abdul plz.
Anonymous No.149671337 [Report]
>>149671320
I like talking animals and lady goats are generally funny. Deal with it. And arabs can eat a dick. (I suspect many DO in secret. Their languages DO sound like somebody's gargling balls while speaking)
Anonymous No.149671536 [Report]
>>149671234
I'll keep trying with catbox then.
Anonymous No.149671598 [Report]
It's a shame what happened to this show. This looks awesome
Anonymous No.149671624 [Report]
>>149667033
She still owns the rights of the basic concept of Toil and Trouble, she just can't use any of the stuff she developed while she was under Netflix's payroll. That's the rub, you sacrifice your creative rights because they're paying you as an employee as you make it. You can either take a risk and retain creative ownership or get financial stability and have to give it up if it doesn't pan out.
Anonymous No.149671642 [Report]
>>149666956
I like all of her previous work, that's good enough reason for me to be dissapointed that this show is not happening.
Anonymous No.149671643 [Report]
>>149666215
It's almost like compelling character driven stories with good pacing, comedic timing, and coherent plots do well in the medium of creative storytelling. What a concept.
Anonymous No.149672236 [Report]
>>149669266
>how long can Netflix keep cancelling shows after 1 or 2 seasons without resolving their stories before people get pissed off and stop bothering to watch?
Never, people just lower their standards. Look at /v/'s turf or tech in general. We have successfully tested and know that people can and will keep going lower and lower since they ultimately never actually cared for quality.
Yes, a great show will pull in even more people than you'd expect, but the majority are fine with anything to waste their time. They will drop you 70-120 dollars to get some 5-10 hours of very mild entertainment without much of a second thought or any hard feelings.
90% of everything made is shit, but people are perfectly fine with eating shit as long as it's not the most putrid stuff that makes you puke the moment you approach it that makes up only like 5-10% at the very bottom of this very large pile of excrement. Netflix, Disney, Blizzard, et cetera are just shit-shoveling businesses. Throwing in non-shit just raises the bar, expectations and is usually more pain than worth it.
Anonymous No.149672447 [Report]
>>149666017
The actual lego studies in the 2000s showed something else. Roughly in-line with the realisation that League of Legends had over the character preferences of their female playerbase.
Men play men, monsters and women. Women heavily favor women they can see themselves in, they obviously have to be somehow pretty.
Lego solved it by introducing brick characters which weren't just that symbolic "human". LoL solved it by cutting the monster and male characters for waifus.
Anime/manga never had issue with female audience and it's fairly obvious when you realise that any female anime character is going to be pretty by human standards. Even the in-story ugly ones.

On the topic of Toil & Trouble I agree with the anon who said this show would only be popular with guys.
The witch MC looks dorky, so she's perfectly fine for a male audience, but outside of this concept >>149667055, she does not at all fit the female self-insert fantasy that we see dominates female preferences. She's got too big of a nose, her hair is genuinely rough and she lives like >>149666146.
Compare that with her successful female characters. PPG girls are cute, pretty, perfectly symmetric, etc. and live in a tidy room. The ponies are the same. All of Mane 6 look pretty (to say it lightly) with no real blemishes, they also live in rooms that are tidy and nice, even if they can make a mess of it.
Same thing with Kpop stans. They don't look up to great singers/dancers with crooked or large noses, overly squinty eyes or unibrows. No, it's perfection that, at least these market researches seem to suggest, they self-insert into.

For better or worse, Lauren might really have do some introspection and stick to the way anime does it. Yes, your feMC can be an action tomboy, or a turbo-nerd, or a dissheveled mess... but she has to be 9+/10 while doing it to get the kids to listen and use them as their role models.
Anonymous No.149672504 [Report] >>149672559 >>149673110
>>149665754
It also would have been directly competing with other shows with similar content/concepts.

If she'd come out with the pitch like 5-6 years earlier she might have gotten it made.
Anonymous No.149672559 [Report]
>>149672504
Eh, it's down to corporate budget politics more-so than anything else.
I would be extremely surprised if any of the people who called its cancellation even know what a hand-drawn cartoon is, much less care or even make judgements about it.
It was just a typical excel sheet with project names and budgets next to them, some extrapolated projected sales (series, movie, game, toyline) and they crossed it out to fill their quota for the fiscal year.
Anonymous No.149672561 [Report]
>>149667114
Except it's well-established that what little LGB content female audiences actually respond positively to in media is overwhelmingly gay, not lesbian. Girls generally prefer shipping cute boys together.
Anonymous No.149672873 [Report] >>149672938
>>149662562
Good question.
Important question.
Anonymous No.149672938 [Report] >>149687169
>>149662562
>>149672873
The inside of her mouth is drawn dark-ish with a brown outline so probably something of that sort.
Definitely not the usual pink nor the green shade of her skin.
Anonymous No.149672993 [Report] >>149674736 >>149687913
No the previous anon but
Here's the files as pdfs:
https://files.catbox.moe/en2aoa.pdf
https://files.catbox.moe/ftkq55.pdf
Here's the files as cbz:
https://files.catbox.moe/8rljat.cbz
https://files.catbox.moe/ireuvw.cbz
Anonymous No.149673110 [Report]
>>149672504
>It also would have been directly competing with other shows with similar content/concepts.
I dunno, netflix doesn't have time slots or anything. I could see this marketed at the Hilda viewership.
Anonymous No.149673173 [Report]
I found some more art
https://brigetteb.com/toil-and-trouble-costume-designs/
Anonymous No.149673287 [Report]
also we got clear versions of these apparently
Anonymous No.149673342 [Report] >>149673435
So what was the story about?

What was the pilot plot?
Anonymous No.149673435 [Report] >>149673459
>>149673342
this
it's an orphan kid going on an adventure, learning magic along the way and discovering a mystery
Anonymous No.149673459 [Report] >>149673542
>>149673435
Did the show have other witch characters?
Or just toil and a bunch of familiars?
Anonymous No.149673542 [Report]
>>149673459
There's 4 witch types from presumably, the 4 different cities (deluxembourg, cementry city, rollanonna, drabapple) and then there's muck city aka the poor town which probably doesn't have any magic at all, and where Toil is from
Anonymous No.149673623 [Report]
>>149665936
>Most of what makes horse show successful has to do with it being cozy/comfy/funny and focusing on friendship and character moments, not so much the action-adventure.
Horse show was at it's most SOL during season 1-3, the fuck you mean?
Anonymous No.149673757 [Report] >>149674086 >>149682293
Lauren is talented

But the fact she quit every project she was a main creative for is weird
Anonymous No.149673825 [Report] >>149673947 >>149687284
>>149665452
I will never understand the logic of Lauren not going to crowdfunding for whatever the fuck she wanted to do next immediately after leaving mlp, when she had the goodwill of one of the largest fanbases to exist in recent years.

She seems to be adamant about working within the industry despite the fact the industry keeps screwing her over time and again. People have since proved crowdfunded indie animation can absolutely work, but it's probably too late for that now.
Anonymous No.149673947 [Report] >>149674191 >>149674201
>>149673825
she's weirdly adamant about having her name attached to indie projects at all
she voiced her own character in one of shawn keller's animations but then chose to remain uncredited
Anonymous No.149674086 [Report]
>>149673757
Maybe it's not her fault.
Anonymous No.149674191 [Report] >>149674271 >>149675038
>>149673947
>she's weirdly adamant about having her name attached to indie projects at all
She did help out fairly prominently with Them's Fighting Herds even while it was fully indie all the way until its death at the hands of its publisher.
Anonymous No.149674201 [Report]
>>149673947
That's just plain self-sabotage at that point.
Anonymous No.149674271 [Report] >>149674430
>>149674191
I remember hearing something about that - wasn't it somewhere where like the publisher bought out the studio and then immediately fired the dev team?
Anonymous No.149674430 [Report] >>149675038
>>149674271
It wasn't as ridiculous, but they got acquired by the publisher who tried with console ports and a season pass of DLC.
The shitty part was that towards the end of the year, they first announced they'd just finish those characters and that would be it, barring bugfixes... but got laid off a month later with the publisher dropping the unfinished last version public.
In this way they spared themselves a couple bucks on development and finished the obligation for content for anyone who had bought the season pass, but made the game unplayable as all the platforms just auto-updated to the broken build of the game and the devs were gone.
Anonymous No.149674736 [Report]
>>149672993
Wonderful.
Anonymous No.149675038 [Report]
>>149674430
...Wow.

>>149674191
>help out fairly prominently
I'm sure that wasn't the idea, but boy what an understatement.
Anonymous No.149676117 [Report] >>149677050
bump
Anonymous No.149677050 [Report]
>>149676117
Here
Anonymous No.149677923 [Report]
At least Inside Job got 1 season. Toil & Trouble got fucked before we could get fanart and fics.
Anonymous No.149678910 [Report] >>149678985 >>149679064 >>149679083 >>149679689
>>149665452
>>149665677
Anonymous No.149678931 [Report]
>>149661239 (OP)
cool hat
Anonymous No.149678985 [Report]
>>149678910
>Lauren doesn't know that it's illegal to pay women less than men
>Lauren doesn't know that women make less than men because women call in sick more often, take more vacation days, and usually leave the workforce or reduce their working hours if they have children

why do women blame everything on the patriarchy when all of their problems don't come from a nebulous cabal of men, but from capitalism? this is like hearing people blame everything on a nebulous cabal of Jews: there's some truth to it, but it's not a fair or accurate thing to say on top of targeting the wrong group of people (or at very least, not targeting even more people)
Anonymous No.149679064 [Report]
>>149678910
>what, /co/ is talking about comics and cartoons?
>well I have screencap of POLITICAL OPINION creator once expressed on social media!
>argue about this instead!
I’m so very ready for this whole cultural era to end.
Anonymous No.149679083 [Report]
>>149678910
This will never not be one of the dumbest tweets of all time. Like, they have literally never worked at the same position at the same time.
Anonymous No.149679689 [Report]
>>149678910
Yeah, well, I don't believe she works exactly as much as a man.
Anonymous No.149679773 [Report]
>>149665677
I think Horse Show was more amicable since McCarthy was basically Lauren's protege and she knew it'd be in relatively good hands with her, and to be fair it was, but when McCarthy was sent over to the Dougs for a while, horses went off the rails.
Anonyrnous No.149681439 [Report] >>149684423
>>149661384
WAS Toil & Trouble cancelled, or did it even make it past development?

Yes, Netflix's treatment of animated projects is so notoriously evil that I feel a need to know just how bad their treatment of Lauren Faust's cartoon was.
Anonymous No.149682212 [Report]
Sex with Cemetery City women. Glorious pointy long noses a plenty in this show.
Yet it was canned!
Fuck!
Anonymous No.149682293 [Report]
>>149673757
>But the fact she quit every project
That does not happen. When that is what the producer want you to see. If you are still an idiot and don't realize network heads sanitize every aspect of a show for maximum broad appeal to be easily digested and inoffensive. Maybe it's not the show runner, maybe it's the system and functionality of network television.

We know for a fact Lauren Faust was pushed out of FiM because they wanted to change up lore and eventually do more with Twilight. Like turn her into a Rainicorn.
Anonymous No.149683750 [Report]
>>149665936
>Horse show was VERY popular but not because of Lauren. It popped off in the seasons immediately after Lauren left
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

I hate post-truth world.
Anonymous No.149684121 [Report]
>>149661239 (OP)
cute boy
Anonymous No.149684152 [Report] >>149684327
>>149661239 (OP)
heh
I still remember when anons were being annoying that this show would make TOH forgotten only to end being purged by Netflix's hatred towards animation along with Alex's project.

Honestly, I was sad for the cancellation of this show but I got over it. Lauren Faust still seethes for the loss of this show and she still doesn't let go which it's annoying.
I guess it was just the right opportunity for her to have her own original IP but well... it didn't happen.
Anonymous No.149684327 [Report]
>>149684152
>thread about Lauren Faust's canceled Netflix jail project
>immediately mentions TOH and Alex Hirsch
This faggot again.
Get new material.
Anonymous No.149684423 [Report] >>149686127
>>149681439
it was cancelled right before it was gonna be animated, aka a majority of the backgrounds, models, and storyboards were completed, literally could've been finished if they gave the production team just a few more months
Anonymous No.149685469 [Report]
>>149670262
qt witch bro
Anonymous No.149686127 [Report]
>>149684423
damn shame..
Anonymous No.149687169 [Report]
>>149672938
The inside of her mouth also has teeth and a tongue however
Anonymous No.149687176 [Report]
I wanna make love to her.
Anonymous No.149687284 [Report]
>>149673825

She's not interested, Them's Fightin' Herds flopping kinda contributed to her decision to not go indie.
Anonymous No.149687913 [Report]
>>149672993
Neat-o!
Anonymous No.149689826 [Report] >>149690216
>>149661239 (OP)
At this point, I just blame Lauren considered her past history of her always leaving early in her projects.
With this mindset, she will never achieve something original and unique.
Anonymous No.149690216 [Report]
>>149689826
Monster.
Anonymous No.149690265 [Report]
>>149665677
>see the comics
Lauren had nothing to do with the comics though?
Anonymous No.149690372 [Report]
>>149665936
>It popped off in the seasons immediately after Lauren left
DEMONSTRABLY false. Wtf are you talking about, Anon?
Anonymous No.149691057 [Report] >>149691228
Now, does this belong to her, or does ot belong to Netflix?
Can she touch it independently?
Anonymous No.149691228 [Report]
>>149691057

She owns the rights but not the artwork made at Netflix and she isn't interested in going indie after the failure that was Them's Fightin' Herds and that was a indie game.