Animation industry is bad actually?
>I was offered an internship to work at Titmouse, the studio animating
Randy Cunningham. Elated, I moved to LA from Alabama. When I got there, I worked for 5 months for no pay. I drove into Los Angeles at 4 AM to open the office, and would close the office as late as 8PM. But I was thankful for the opportunity to work in animation at all, so I accepted this situation.
>I later landed a job at Nickelodeon working on Spongebob… A dream come true for a kid that grew up on Nick. Instead of the dream job I hoped for, I found a toxic environment where I was cursed out behind closed doors. I was told I could never enter a director’s office, and instructed to send my white coworker to speak to him on my behalf. I was told to my face by this person "I don't want to look at you. I don't want to see you. Do not pass my doorframe." I was warned that if I spoke to anyone about the abuse I was going through, my name would be blacklisted from the industry. Finally, exhausted from the mistreatment, I asked for a meeting with a third party to address the harassment. In response, the team stopped speaking to me entirely and iced me out, making it impossible for me to continue my job. I was told to “go home and think about” whether I wanted to continue. I was forced to quit.
>I felt very lucky to work at Disney Television Animation afterward and finally found better teams, and kinder people, working on shows like Ducktales, Hailey’s On It and Big City Greens. However, I also faced other moments of mistreatment. I was verbally abused by Disney executives, and the people who wanted to help me couldn’t because of office politics. I was offered condolences for the verbal abuse, but nobody was able to alleviate that suffering.

>>149724026 (OP)
Don't be brown then

btw, not the person who posted this, just copied it from the gofundme page which I can't link

>>149724026 (OP)
Honestly, how sad

>>149724026 (OP)
If only I could set up a go fund me for being underpaid and treated like a low class slave at my job

>>149724026 (OP)
Disney TVA pays everyone the lowest agreed union levels. Almost nobody gets to make anything above lowest they possibly can.

>>149724026 (OP)
>I worked for 5 months for no pay
is that even legal?

>>149724026 (OP)
>I'm "poor" please ignore how fat I am
who falls for this shit?

>>149724093
Generally that sounds like contractual work
And it makes sense, otherwise Studios wouldn't have the man power to produce content at high rates

>>149724080
This. Join the fucking club Morghan. Nobody’s gonna give me money for nothing to save me from my shit poorfag life, I don’t know why you should be any different.

>>149724026 (OP)
If someone is problem enough that they were forced out of one job, then their career path is pretty much over with. Word that this person is shit to get along with and causes problems will go around real fast and then no one will want to hire them. Ever bringing up a third party HR investigation also fucking destroys a career. I can see why the rest of the team wanted nothing to do with that, that is a career ending move in the worst way.

Also one does not just go demand a director's time like that. It would be the same situation anywhere.

>>149724093
Studios are sometimes incredibly shit at actually paying someone for work. They will hold onto it and you never see a dime for 6 months to a year. It's not that uncommon.

>>149724026 (OP)
>the team stopped speaking to me entirely
Tbh gotta wonder if this person was the problem rather than the other way around
>>149724093
Pretty sure it's not, but they get away with it if you don't do anything about it.

>>149724026 (OP)
If you run into trouble and have problems with the management and are shoved out the door in every single job you have....chances are it's not all those jobs that are the problem.

>>149724118
>Is an artist
>Is also on EBT/Food Stamps
The memes write themselves

>>149724026 (OP)

>Spongebob crew are actually assholes

How will the Spumco shill react?

>>149724026 (OP)
>Job #1 did not want to pay be
>Job #2 ran into problems when my boss was always mad at me, they never wanted to talk to me, and I hired an outside HR team
>Job #3 I ran into problems with my boss again and I had to quit

It's starting to look like it might not have been all those jobs that was the problem.

>>149724026 (OP)
Sounds like she had no idea how to navigate a Los Angeles studio workplace. The main skill you use every day is
>Kiss ass
You kiss everyone's ass, you compliment everyone, you make everything said into something positive and then thank everyone. And you never ever make anything into a fight for any reason ever.

The people who never get that and continue being east coast angry fucks get labeled as problem employees and tossed out.

>>149724026 (OP)
>titmouse didn't pay me for my internship

...yes? Most internships are unpaid. The compensation is the fact that you learn a bunch of shit and get to put titmouse on your resume, both of which give you a huge advantage over anyone else applying for a position at another studio.

Hell, if you performed admirably and fit in really well, titmouse themselves might've hired you.

>>149724253
Lets be honest. There are more animators and writers than there are permanent hiring positions. Most people are just used an abused.

>>149724185
I looked into it and it seems like she was only ever interning or being a production associate or assistant on shows. She does art but never actually did it in the industry

>>149724026 (OP)
Schizo ramblings

too bad it's not anime. it wouldn't get much attention.

>>149724488
That's because everyone in japan knows you go into animation for the love of game. You make less money working on anime than a fucking mcdonald's worker.

>>149724026 (OP)
>I've been at three jobs at three different studios. Coincidentally, at all three I was overworked, verbally abused by my superiors, and shunned by my team, and forced to quit.
This sounds like your typical story of
>Person who's gotten away with working laid back part time jobs all their life gets a real job with hard hours, and where people actually call out your poor work and don't put up with your shit.
People end up working for shitty employers and get abused and fired by supervisors all the time. If it happens to you once it's a tragedy; twice, it's suspect, three times it's a pattern, and the common factor is you.

>>149724580
she's saying it's not that different in the us

Every new story I learn about this industry, makes me glad I didn't have the money to attempt to work for any ot these slop mongers.
To put on a happy face for people I loathe under the stress of being let go, which could happen for literally any reason.

I might not be in the position I'd like to be in life, but at least it's not under the thumb of some soulless abusive suits.

>professional whinning and begging
Sound fishy as fuck.

>>149724253
>Most internships are unpaid.

And that should be illegal.

>>149724026 (OP)
Nickelodeon sounds especially terrible

>>149724090
>"we're the union and we want to set pay levels"
>"ok."
>Union:

>>149724026 (OP)
im an alabama nigga and they made me work for free
hell with L.A. and the animation guild

>>149724694
You make it sound like this expirence is only for this one person. I've heard enough stories to see it's an industry wide thing and seldom the fault of a single employee

>>149724247
It may be normal but she’s right about it being toxic and two-faced as fuck

>>149724778
Not exactly uncommon. A lot of industry artists have been begging for money recently

>>149724026 (OP)
>boss tells you to stay out of their office
>complains it's racism and that she needs to stage a sit-in.

Also her photo makes her look like a cunt.

>>149724488
Atleast anime don't look like brown poop nowadays

>>149724786
And for what? Zombie-Spongebob with its slew of unfunny kidslop "jokes"? Reheating jokes from 20+ years ago for pandering purposes except they're done worse? Whatever the fuck they have now that isn't Spongebob that gets forgotten the day it releases?

>>149724026 (OP)
>knowingly accept shit deal
>wtf why is this deal shit

>>149724580
I meant it would get 100x more attention if it's anime.

>>149724862
3 cited show he worked on are woke shit.

welp.

>>149724925
in both the us and japan.

>>149724873
If you expect women smiling for photos you're sexist for setting expectations that women are always cheery, cute, and happy.

>>149724786
Disney pays the best while you can't be creative
CN gives a lot of creative freedom but the pay isn't good
Nick is the worst of the both worlds where the pay is shit AND you have no creative freedom

>>149724026 (OP)
Get a real job lol.

The Virgin Industry Artist
>uproots entire life to move across the country to the most expensive city to live in in the US
>works bare minimum wages because they've been tricked into thinking a "dream job" is worth suffering for and is a privilege
>works a job that that makes them wait in traffic at 4 AM, leaves job at 8 PM, never has time for the art they actually want to make
>spends backbreaking overtime hours each day working on critically panned executive mandated horseshit like Rihanna is Smurfette
>works in an environment where everybody is highly competitive and not actually friends and shit talks you behind your back
>all for a 1% chance of getting to pitch your dream cartoon idea to executives
>an idea that will probably be changed so much from your vision it becomes unrecognizable
>an idea that's probably just "gay witches inspired by anime fanfiction" for the 100th time
The Chad Indie Creative
>plays by their own rules
>lives anywhere they want to
>puts in hard work and probably works another job to make ends meet, but actually gets to work on their own idea100% of the time
>can work with fans and likeminded creators and not TV executives and nepo babies
>can make merchandise and get deals with merch companies and get 100% of profits
>not bound to the restrictions of working for a corporation

>>149724026 (OP)
> I was told I could never enter a director’s office, and instructed to send my white coworker to speak to him on my behalf.
I feel like they're phrasing this in a way that's trying to intentionally turn it into a race thing. Like, they're an intern. Why would you speak to the director? The "coworker" was probably just senior staff and their skin color doesn't matter.

Also, it definitely sucks that to get into animation you have to work on sight a lot of times, but why would you take an unpaid gig in Los Angeles? It sounds like they had some form of financial support, be it from family or otherwise, but that's just a poor decision. Like, I was told to take gigs like this to get ahead in the entertainment industry, and I didn't, because I don't have a trustfund so I literally would've been homeless.

I guess I need more info about this whole situation, but when they say underpaid, do they mean like they didn't pay them the agreed upon amount or do they just think they deserved more money?

>>149724093
There are unpaid internships. I'm not familiar with them because I've never done one. I assume that's what she means, but I don't know. If they actually just didn't pay her the money they were supposed to that's screwed up and they should get fined and have to give her back pay plus overtime, but I feel like she agreed to an unpaid internship and is just adding that in for sympathy.
>>149724138
I agree. I'll admit I was a little more sympathetic to these people when I had dreams of breaking into the industry myself, but that was entirely self serving, and after realizing it's basically iced out except for nepo babies and those willing to literally suck dick I honestly couldn't care less. No one's helping us out, and these people typically get paid like $50/Hr to work half the year. They can screw off.

>>149724140
While this is true, it really shouldn't be. It's one of the reasons I hate the entertainment industry. It's illegal for McDonald's to trash talk you to Burger King. All they can really say is:
> Did this person ever work here?
> Were they involuntarily terminated?
> Did they ever require counsel for displaying violent behavior while on the clock?
Everything else is literally against the law for them to discuss, but for some reason the jews get to just trash you to everyone in the whole industry on a whim and everyone's supposed to be ok with it?

>>149724026 (OP)
those glasses alone proves she's a "hard to work with" militant that doesn't do her share of work because she's so busy organizing the next pryde parade and checking the authenticty of ethnic Friday's menue

>>149726444
This is the way

>>149724784
>because I says so, fuck contracts, my signed agreement shouldn't force me to anything

back when i was working in the industry, i was fortunate enough that the person who did my job interview for my internship went to the same college i did, so i went from an unpaid to a paid internship
but i still had to have 3 roomates just to be able to live in a semi-decent place in LA
but thank god i got out when i did, now I'm much more happier working in the logging industry

>>149724093
A lot of Hollywood does unpaid internships specifically set up so the only people who can get a foot in the industry are rich kids. Its why the whole thing is overrun with nepo babies.

>>149727407
Same story in law, politics, journalism. Rich parents subsidize prestige industries all the way from professional training & development to entry level work

Cry me a river, nigger.
Nobody's going to pay you for getting fucked by corporations unless you win a lawsuit.

>>149724026 (OP)
has she tried going to Spindelhorse?
Surely that will be better and I'm certain they'll open up for a POC woman in need!

>>149724026 (OP)
I guess if she can't succeed in every position she has held in the industry, then I guess no one can. Smdh.

>>149724093
You would be surprised at how many companies animation or otherwise can get away with underpaying people and never having to answer for it until someone brings it up.

>>149724026 (OP)
>I was told I could never enter a director’s office, and instructed to send my white coworker to speak to him on my behalf.
I can see right through this bs. She obviously never understood that there is a chain of command, and she most likely learned the hard way when she insisted on walking right into the director's office one day to bombard him with a list of her petty cries, problems, and complaints. When she was told "you can't just walk in the director's office, there is a chain of command", she took it as OH BECAUSE I'M BLACK??? HOW DARE YOU!!!! This is what happens when companies are forced into diversity hires, and the people they hire have no experience in the field, let alone the basic knowledge and understanding of how the social hierarchy and chain of command works in that related field. fuck this entitled bitch

>>149727741
Well she brought it up. So are they gonna pay for it?

>>149727056
If the Burger King and McDonald’s managers knew each other they would talk about their bad employees
This is just how life works
Either carve your own path or make yourself irreplaceable

>>149727825
Zoomers think going straight to the head guy in charge is your way to solve an issue
If your boss doesn’t care about your little argument with your co-workers then surely their boss will care right?
They never figured out that being a contract worker means you’re gone when they’re tired of you

>>149727741
It’s because they know this is a lot of people’s dreams
Frankly i think I’d rather have a low paying job in animation than no job which is the reality of most would be animators whose job got outsourced long ago

>>149726444
The only problem with the Indie Creative route is that it's significantly harder to get enough recognition for it to be profitable in any way, and the outside work you do to make ends meet takes significant time away from your passion. At the same time though, you really shouldn't become an artist for money. It would be great to make good money but expecting it is a fools errand. Being an artist is better as a hobby than a job.

>>149728123
I agree
Indie wannabes think they’re guaranteed success because they went indie, but they don’t know shit about how to make a living on this stuff at all
But at least when you fail as indie you aren’t in the same debt as someone who failed in the industry

>>149724026 (OP)
Get a real job and do what you like as a hobby?

>>149728133
Being able to do something full time means you can put more effort and care into your projects
More time = better quality
Every single artist who does it as a hobby wished its something they could do full time

>>149724118
Off topic but nice midjourny prompt

>>149727825
yeah because being a dumb white asshole somehow makes you better than being a dumb black bitch, just admit that it's not a race thing or a woman thing and that you're a dumbfuck

>>149728141
>More time = better quality
Not true. Having more time to work on a project doesn't automatically mean it's going to be better. The same goes for having less time (though it's an easy excuse) It's how you manage that time and how well you use it that dictates the quality of a project, Managing work and hobbies isn't impossible. It's how most people use to operate before the internet made it popular to just bitch and moan for pity bucks.

I thought I could buy me a job by going to art school. The stress got too much and now I'm just settling for security work at an art museum. It'll be boring as fuck but at least I can recover from all the stress I put myself under

>>149727566
Why these threads are filled with Spics larping as White supremacists?, you should be against the jews who treats the industry like shit because you're no different, fucking tacos

>>149728141
Sounds like time and project management issues

>>149724093
I wasn't paid for my student teaching ans that was five months. Internships are not paid, they're training periods where you work in exchange for learning the job. They also don't promise you a job after. Some industries abuse their interns by having them do pointless tasks with no training before letting them loose.

>>149728298
>>149728225
Time isn’t infinite
If it would take 100 hours to finish a short film (or whatever arbitrary number) being able to spend 16 hours a day working on it is obviously gonna let you finish it faster than someone who loses 8 hours of their day to non-art related work and only has 8 hours as most to focus on their art

In reality you have less time. I understand the belief that you can still make dreams happen even if you have other burdens, that’s how most people have to live, but everyone wishes they could get paid to do their dreams
I don’t know what kind of world you live in where you think having less time is actually better for you

>>149724026 (OP)
After what you idiots did to John K, I don't give a shit. You're supposed to protect your own. Instead, you turned on each other thus get what you fucking deserve.

In the end, the Corpos win cause they KNOW how easy you'll turn on each other.

>>149728615
>protect your own
>maybe get a little intimate even

>>149728789
>>maybe get a little intimate even
That's what Olympians do.

>>149728799
to make offspring that will surpass them, I reckon…

>>149728397
Time isn't infinite, but even with infinite time you will need passon and talent
Passioned and talented individuals often make time for what they are passionate about

>>149724026 (OP)
Common issue in such stories is that people like Bob Clampett, Walt Disney, Richard Williams, did not go into the field chasing a dream. Animator dreams are based on successes like those - you can either simulate their journeys (mostly working their asses off) or your dream will most likely just dissipate.

>>149728294
>you should
Take your own advice Enrique

>>149724026 (OP)
I followed this girl's husband's account over a year or so. He was one of the people who lost his job sometimes during this current animation "winter" and who just... couldn't get his foot back in the door. Just these increasingly panicky-depressive begposts over a year or so as they quietly went destitute. Was obviously kind of depressing to watch. It's rough days for everyone I guess.
>>149727009
Yeah the narrative is loose enough that you can tell there's a bit of massaging the truth going on there, lol. I get why it can be tempting to go down that road though. Poverty is le bad

>>149728615
Even ignoring the obvious elephant in the room, there are multiple records of John K being an asshole to his coworkers.

John K pushed one of his coworkers down a flight of stairs once.

>>149724026 (OP)
>I was told I could never enter a director’s office, and instructed to send my white coworker to speak to him on my behalf. I was told to my face by this person "I don't want to look at you. I don't want to see you. Do not pass my doorframe."
nickelodeon being racist is low-key fucking funny to imagine

>>149729389
Enjoy getting fucked over by Corpos and disloyal unions then. That's what happens when you don't take care of your own and handle shit in private.

>>149727102
I'm of the firm belief that ALL work should be paid unless it is explicitly a non-profit volunteering gig, which internships absolutely the fuck are not. How do you expect people to put food on the table if they're doing the same work as everyone else for literally no pay?
Pay them less if you have to, but PAY THEM.

>>149728104
It’s even worse. Not only is it a lot of people’s dream, every single person in the building wants the job. Why threaten to quit when you and everyone else knows that the janitor is just as qualified and only took the janitor job specifically si they could be already in the system the moment someone is fired or quits?

That’s the reality of the Hollywood system. Every single person wants the job on the production crew, and because of that literally all the jobs are hyper competitive and filled with would be creatives. The vulture culture is unreal

>>149729504
> Enjoy getting fucked over by Corpos and disloyal unions then.
It‘s weird as a german to see that thing about unions. In general since I work for a unionized corporation, payment was good and it‘s much more chill to work.

>>149724026 (OP)
Animation just seems like a completely worthless industry to get into. A lot of it seems outsourced anyway.
>>149729465
>nickelodeon being racist is low-key fucking funny to imagine
Boss told her take her Crag of the Creek ass to Cartoon network.

>>149728123
>>149728132
The thing about going indie is that nobody succeeds by themselves. There’s no such thing as the creative who just makes something, uploads it, and then it becomes an instant success. Be it cartoons, comics, video games, twitch streaming, only fans, whatever, every single person who succeeded had to build a network of people who helped promote it in order to get the ball rolling.

You can’t make make your thing, you have to share it to people who will share it to people, you have to reach out to podcasts and radio shows, and streamers and either ask or pay them to promote your work, you have to pay for promotion on social media sites and super chat big streamers with shill links, and most importantly, you need a consistent schedule. You will never succeed if it takes you months to years to release stuff, at the very most you can take one month between releases.

But then you also need to establish who your market actually is, which almost no creators actively do. Digital Circus knew damn well it was aiming for 12 year olds obsessed with backrooms creepy pasta videos.
Hazbin hotel knew it was aiming for LGBT+ stay at homes

Every indie creator thinks they’ll try to appeal to everyone and they end up appealing to no one.

Yes, being creative is important, as is following your passion, but at the end of the day it’s still a product and you have to treat it as a product with an actual business plan

>>149724038
Black women always exaggerate and fabricate interracial incidents, which is why nobody wants them around. She'll be the only ones being racist and belligerent to the white people around her, and then will claim she was a perfect angel and everyone around her must've secretly been in the Klan or something.

>>149724161
She more than likely was. Black women pull this "antagonistic, persecution complex" shit when in a majority-white workplace.

>>149729465
>in her mind
>director's minions whip her for daring to look at her white massa
>in actuality
>director tells intern who keeps coming into his office to pester him for gibs and networking to fuck off and do her job

>>149729629
>Hazbin hotel knew it was aiming for LGBT+ stay at homes
ironic that those are its biggest haters.

>>149728397
Not if you spend the majority of those 16 hour days unsure of what you’re making and constantly changing your mind. It might take 100 hours total to finish the short film, but being able to give consistent high quality hours that make full use of the time and idea will produce it much faster than 16 hours of burn out and constantly going back to the drawing board. You see this happen constantly, tight schedules almost always produce a better project because you usually don’t afford yourself time to second guess or bloat the scope.
Plus, if this is truly your passion in life, you’ll make time when you can. You can come up with ideas while doing your day job, you can scribble stuff down at lunch, and you can work on it during the weekend or when you get off.
Sometimes just 1 hour a day is all you need. And in your scenario that would take you 100 days, which is a pretty great turnaround for a short film, and it could even be consistent.

Make better use of your time, don’t rely on excess time as your crutch. More often than not, the first few hours are when the good work is done and the rest is all garbage you’ll throw out the next day

>>149729465
>>149728195

Race has nothing to do with it. She's trying hard to make it about race though. In reality, she felt entitled and thought she could just waltz into the director's office at any moment to complain about her bullshit. I guarantee that's what happened here. And because her skin color didn't match the skin color of her superiors, she went online and cried harassment and racism.

>>149728195
Hoes mad

>>149729644
Black culture is one of victimhood and being a western woman is to identify with victimhood. Of course she will have no accountability and everything is someone else's fault.

>>149724026 (OP)
I've seen these exact same nigger chimp outs at my own job before. They are usually already allowed to coast by on the bare minimum, doing essentially monkey work, and as such the people who are doing the actual lifting eventual get tired of their shit or let it slip they're getting paid more causing resentment both ways. Eventually one of them gets caught stealing or instigating racial tensions nonsense and gets fired, and they'll go online and post mean reviews about how dey wuz practically whipped by da massa.

Not to mention working on Hailey's On It would be basically the equivalent of a mob no-work/no-show job. And if she worked on DuckTales and BGC, that means she had YEARS of steady work at DTVA and still somehow niggered her way into massive debt.

>>149724218
There appears to be a common denominator...

>>149724580
You actually make more by fucking McDonald's workers.

>>149724161
>Tbh gotta wonder if this person was the problem rather than the other way around
I was wondering the same thing. I have no doubt she was kicked around by the companies and execs, but at the same she has that vibe of entitlement since she brought up a "white" co-worker.

>>149729658
>director's minions whip her for daring to look at her white massa
Poopaye tatata bala tu pwede na?
Bee do bee do sheboon pado
*CRACK*
AHAHAHAHAHA

>I was warned that if I spoke to anyone about the abuse I was going through, my name would be blacklisted from the industry.

Wow funny that its still happening even after the Chris Savino hoax and in its aftermath how all those cartoonists like Sugar/Hirsch/Mutt Braly/Daron Nefcy signed some big petition to put a stop to it

>>149728799
>Dozens of peak young people fucking like animals with their enhanced stamina and ability.
You could make the world's best porno there.

>>149728079
What a cucked mindset. No, you shouldn't be able to blackball somebody based on personal request and if it's proven you did you should be imprisoned.

>>149728195
Yes, it does

>>149728397
Wah, wah, wah. Make something interesting and see if people want to give you money to make more. You don't get to be a professional artist just because you want to.

>>149730208
>Her definition of "abuse": she was told that she didn't have the authority to barge into the director's office at any given time and talk to the director whenever she wanted to
>Her definition of "racism": Her skin color doesn't match her superiors and her superiors are telling her how things work within the corporate environment
>Her definition of "harassment": Men were telling her the rules and what to do and what not to do

>>149728397
Nta but that's not what he's saying
Anon is saying having all or none of the time in the world won't necessarily change how a project turns out, you need to have real passion and skill to make it work
There are people who rush everything and it turns out shit and there are people that spend years on their dream project just for it to turn out shit as well

>Big animation bubble comes in during covid
>Animators go full schizo cancelling left and right and treating blacklisting of potential colleagues
>covid is over, dei funds are cut off and american animation is dying in the market
>Animators now crying and begging for money after being fired and blacklisted
What a world

>>149724026 (OP)
>I was told I could never enter a director’s office, and instructed to send my white coworker to speak to him on my behalf.
>I was verbally abused by Disney executives
I smell lies. Most likely the lazy nigress was told to do her inbetween frames on time and she started immediatly crying about discrimination.

>>149730595
exactly. see >>149727825

>>149729629
Grim reply but true.

>>149724118
There's a shit ton of fat poor people, the cheapest most easily available food tends to be junk food.

>>149730036
>I've seen these exact same nigger chimp outs
Not a critique. That’s just hate speech and textbook racism with zero mask, being proudly screamed into the void by someone who probably smells like Axe body spray and failure. And notice how it always comes back to:
>T-They didn’t work hard!!
Like these animators are just sitting around eating donuts while their white coworkers heroically carry the team. The only people doing monkey work here are the ones flinging verbal feces like your chronically online ass posting diarrhea on a Chinese chalkboard forum.
>S-She worked on all these shows and still got into debt??
Yes. Welcome to America, retard. Where you can work prestigious jobs and still be broke as hell, especially in industries that run on:
>Underpaid contracts
>Gig-to-gig instability
>No healthcare coverage
>No union protection for many roles
Let me guess, your 4chan clown ass thinks everyone with medical debt “deserved it” too?
>>149730595
Yeah? Because God forbid a Black woman in animation, one of the most underrepresented demographics in the industry speaks up about work abuse. The second she does? “She’s lazy.” Never mind her résumé includes SpongeBob, DuckTales, Hailey’s On It, and more. But sure, let’s pretend someone just coasts into those credits. This is the same tired ass racist trope that's been used for centuries: Discredit. Dehumanize. Dismiss.

>>149724026 (OP)
>>149730755
>Never mind her résumé includes SpongeBob, DuckTales, Hailey’s On It, and more
Diversity hire who served coffee.

Linked in page:
>"Provided comprehensive administrative support to entire animation department, efficiently handling daily scheduling tasks and fostering seamless communication"
She was the unpaid intern working at HR.

>>149724118
Reminder this is what America does.

>>149724026 (OP)
>ayo help a sista out you racist crackas

>>149730755
4chan is notoriously retarded, don't take their posts to heart
Imagine a severely handicapped person typing them

Welp, I guess animation as a career is out. Guess I'll have to work a blue collar trade until I get old and replaced by a Gen Alpha Delta Bravo fresh out of college.

>>149730818
the fuck is that job description. Imagine shamelessly publishing online that you were paid to show up and remind people of their schedule, like a human calendar.

No one's gonna care about her being black unless a white cop kills her during an election year.

>>149724026 (OP)
Get a real job

>>149729536
>sign paper
>follow your engagement
It was not a trap nor a surprise job. She read the paper, she had an interview, she accepted and shook hands, then signed the contract. You are the problem in that situation, because if you signature has no value, you have no value.

>>149730945
>the fuck is that job description
Its a bureaucratic bullshit version to say that she served coffee to everyone and did fuck-all else.

>>149724862
They probably think they can beg more because MUH AI boogyman.

>>149728294
>you should be against the jews
We are.
Do shabbos goyim not realize that we're also against you, since you're tools of the Jews?
You don't get a pass for "le following orders."

>>149727056
It's like this for two reasons

>It's a temp gig job with hundreds more wanting to fill those 5-10 open positions.
So the extreme amount of competition makes everyone have to play nice at all times and always present they are the bestest best employees that ever lived to manage to land one of those insanely coveted spots.

>It's an extremely high stakes job with incredibly tight deadlines.
They have no room to fuck around or have to deal with some shitty problematic employee, they need everyone working as fast as possible with no hiccups or any situations that might slow production. They cannot afford to have anything slow production.

It's not the same situation as Burger King, it's probably closer to a construction job where you have teams on the location and they have a very tight budget and time frame to get it completed, they cannot have some asshole who doesn't know what he is doing there, or someone who is just going to fuck around and slow up the work because it has to be 100% completed in a specific date.

>>149727056
The difference is that everyone in all the studios in Burbank know each other and have worked with each other for years, while they still meet and communicate all the time.

If the Burger King, McDonalds, Taco Bell, Wendy's, and a few others in the same street all had crews that constantly work with each other, all the managers all worked together at the same Jack in the Box 20 years ago and they all still go to Burger summits three times a year, while the crews only work for about 5 weeks at Taco Bell, then 8 weeks at Wendy's then some go back to Taco Bell while others work a 2 month gig at McDonalds...word will get around if someone sucks and makes working there shit.

>>149727056
>>149731094
OP's scam artist wasn't an animator, she was an HR department intern. But otherwise other anon is right. Deadlines are tight in animation and theres a shit-ton of work to be done. Senior animators won't tolerate intern whining for long especially if their daily frame quota is lacking or the drawings they make are shit. Meet the deadline first and then whine after the fact.

>>149730755
>prestigious jobs
Bro, she was a glorified secretary.
Actually, not even, based on her job description she wasn't even at that level.

>>149724026 (OP)
>I was told I could never enter a director’s office, and instructed to send my white coworker to speak to him on my behalf. I was told to my face by this person "I don't want to look at you. I don't want to see you. Do not pass my doorframe."

Okay, translation is she was supposed to go to her immediate supervisor with comments and complaints, but instead went straight to the Director which is not how it works. There is a chain of command and employees are supposed to go to their team lead, the team lead then refers to the director.

The White Coworker to speak on her behalf is her immediate supervisor that was supposed to be the one who goes to the director. Some entry level Production Assistant does not or ever do that shit.

>>149728104
That is how most animation, film, tv and game dev companies work. They love to hide behind the phrase
>You're working your dream job!
And use this to keep payrates low since they are aware there is a huge line of willing applicants behind everyone.

>>149731223
>And use this to keep payrates low since they are aware there is a huge line of willing applicants behind everyone.
Not so much anymore. Animation is not like graphic design where rich kids get to be as lazy as they want. Animation requires a lot of hard work which is why majority of students quit before graduating. One of the reasons why California is increasingly using korean sweatshops to do everything is because theres simply not enough spoiled rich kids with animator dads to fill all the vacant spots. The talent is evaporating because the job requires too much skill and hard work and pays like shit. Just draw porn instead, you get 200 times the pay per picture compared to animation. Better yet do short porn animation clips. Its more work but you have an edge against other porn artists in the market.

as the blacks would say it
where's the receipts? show us the receipts, give us the names,

>DTVA is a hugbox central for artists who were ngmi otherwise
Gee what a shocker

>>149731206
Same thing with this part

>>149724026 (OP)
>I was warned that if I spoke to anyone about the abuse I was going through, my name would be blacklisted from the industry.
This actually means they warned her about constantly causing trouble in the studio, that word will go around and her current coworkers will go to other later jobs and inform people that she is a problem maker that is incredibly hard to work with, and she better just stop or else this will ruin her career.

>>149731135
She was a PA which is like a secretary for supervisors that make sure everything is organized, schedules are kept etc. Every production hires a few of them for various levels. But it's closer to lowest level paper pusher for the executives, not really HR.

>>149731282
.....okay you have no fucking idea what the hell you are talking about

>>149731431
And how many frames have you drawn so far? Or are you still just talking about your dream tv show you're one day definitely going to create, but you never will because you're actually a lazy shit who gets tired of doing one drawing, let alone thousands required to do a single short?

>>149731282
>We can't pay you more because you're not rich.

>>149731206
>>149731398
these are her definitions work related harassment, abuse, and racism
>>149730381
it's all so tiresome.png

>>149724080
>>149724138
>If only I could set up a go fund me for being underpaid and treated like a low class slave at my job
Well, nobody is stopping either of you. You can set up a GoFundMe for literally anything. It's just that people are more likely to chip in a few bucks for someone who worked on a show they love as opposed to some unskilled crybaby who works part time at Target.

>>149731465
I have worked for a few places, a smallish animation effects studio in Atlanta (which went out of business last year) and a few mid level game dev studios.

And they are almost all plagued with executive types who love to say shit like
>What Raise? But you're working your dream job! you shouldn't want a raise!
And that becomes the main go-to excuse to never ever address any shit conditions or pay rates across the board. Because they are 100% aware they have a near endless supply of hopeful idealistic moron amateurs waiting and willing to take any shit level job they have because it's The Dream!

To the point now that any supervisor even saying the phrase Dream job is a complete red flag that this guy is going to be an exploiting asshole to some degree.

>>149731745
Harassment and abuse is that you stick to the established chain of command and you talk to your supervisor and he talks to the director?

What in all fuck would a PA have to say to a director anyway? Outside of Yes Sir when he asks then to go make the Friday food order.

>>149731282
No, they're killing two birds with one stone financially by still keeping pay rates low, but combining multiple jobs together so that fewer or just one person does it.

Now a Storyboarder does general layout, background design, keyframing, and will be asked to keyframe effects animation too. Somteimes asked to near fully animate a major shot if the director is really particular about it and does not have full faith in the animation company to wing it based on keyframes.

>>149728872
Let’s not be more idealistic than realistic, a passionate person does better with more time. A passionate person wants more time, a passionate person doesn’t want to be bogged down by daily life bullshit
That’s the point, being able to do things full time is better than not. Most artists can’t do it full time and have to make compromises and can still make cool stuff. But that’s not the argument. Every part time artist wishes they could do it full time

>>149729679
>>149730356
>>149730415
I don’t know why you guys are trying to insert other factors here beyond the value of time

A passionate person wants more time
There are less passionate people who have more time than passionate people, but a passionate person still wants more time

How is this so hard to understand without trying to insert other ideas onto. Just sounds like you’re coping and still haven’t started your own projects yet

>>149730304
This isn’t your world dude, get used to it.
What are you gonna do about it?

>>149731919
>is that you stick to the established chain of command
There's your mistake. You immediately assumed that this person understands what a chain of command is and how it functions within a corporate environment. And if you are a male and you try to explain this simple concept to her, it's harrassment. If you tell her to that the director doesn't want to see her and insists she stays in her place of employment at her desk, it's abuse. And if your skin color doesn't match hers, it's racism.

>>149724026 (OP)
She was probably super entitled and a pain in the ass to work with. Probably also over-sensitive to normal office politics.

>>149731431
Do you? The actual industry can’t put up with people who are detrimental to the process. A lot of people have this dream
I know you have all this conjecture and hearsay from shitters but just look at the video game concept art and illustration people. Like their work or not, it’s very clear to see just how much they work for nothing

>>149732066
you have no personal experience with this. you just look for things to be mad at on the internet, and probably have autism.

>>149724026 (OP)
i recognize animators are treated like crap, but this reads like someone who intentionally looks for trouble. no higher up would ever talk to an intern in the first place, meaning she's going to them uninvited.
>t. intern

>>149732152
I'm not mad at all, and I am speaking based on my experiences in the corporate environment. It is you who sounds upset, sweety.

>>149724118
it's easy to be fat while poor, most cheap food is horrible for you. that's no excuse to not have more rice though.

>>149732066
>>149732152
This is how it works in just about every office. You speak with your immediate supervisor, they speak with the manager. Lowest levels do not speak directly with a manager ever.

>>149732222
>I don't have any experience...
So you're talking out of your ass, got it!

>>149729536
>How do you expect people to put food on the table if they're doing the same work as everyone else for literally no pay?

I expect them to take paying jobs, retard. These internships are specifically for people who understand that they'll be getting paid in experience. If putting food on the table is going to be an issue, THEN DON'T TAKE THE UNPAID INTERNSHIP.

>>149724093
It is when you live in an oligarchy

>>149732382
Reading is fundamentally challenging to you, isn't it, sweety? We got a pissed off one here! Watch out everyone!!! I'm having a great time :)

>>149731895
Point was that although they undoubtedly use any excuse to not raise pay, theres less idealistic amateurs out there than there used to be. Theres less animators around overall because the job pays like shit and is too work intensive. This is not just a problem concerning /co/, its also concerns /a/ because its killing anime as well. Old guard is not being replaced by new people.

>>149731945
>Now a Storyboarder does general layout, background design, keyframing, and will be asked to keyframe effects animation too.
Thats normal procedure for any small studio. Small studios hire animators as the general "art guys" who do everything.

>>149724026 (OP)
>Hailey's On It
Lmao, cursed show

>>149729536
Whelp mission accomplished because LA outlawed unpaid internships around 2016 unless it was considered a class while still attending a school. A post graduate cannot work unpaid as an intern in a studio any longer. Only a currently enrolled student does that and it's considered a credited class.

>>149724026 (OP)
This is what you get for pushing woke shit onto children

>>149732513
No one is working as an animator in the US in the first place. That's always outsourced to Korea or Canada, sometimes Philippines. Americans are after the Storyboard position which pays higher anyway and has an actual upward mobility. Or background artists, which is more the doing what they love area of things.

>Old guard is not being replaced by new people.
That is the bigger problem all around. Starting in the early 2010s the studios removed almost all entry level and training programs to save money, as a result the entire industry just became impossible for new blood to ever get in. It's old people sticking to their positions until it kills their company and way of life, which we are seeing the results of now.

>>149732724
>Starting in the early 2010s the studios removed almost all entry level and training programs to save money,
You can thank that piece of shit Obama for that. He made outsourcing EVERYTHING so much cheaper than hiring American.

>>149732750
You mean Clinton.
Obama alone didn't increase outsourcing, NAFTA and subsequent policies accomplished that in the 2 decades prior to Obama's election.

>>149724026 (OP)
Post your face when her former employees at Disney notices her terrible online antics and allegations and sues her for libel, slander, and defamation.

>>149732750
....better wind that shit back to Ford and then later Reagan. Animation studios were moving almost all their production to Japan and Mexico in the mid 70s prompting a general strike. Reagan lifted a lot of restrictions again in 83 which led to Japan doing the animation for nearly everything which is how we got here today.

Shit was outsourced long before Obama. And the studios cutting all corners across the board in 2011 and 2012 was due to 08 recession causing more people to stop spending on luxury goods like entertainment which had studios taking a huge hit.

>>149732829
It's a lot easier to just say it was the anti-American Democrats who genuinely LIKE to see Americans out of work and replaced by illegals and woke DEI shit working together over a long period of time to enact their plan to weaken the US on the global stage.

>>149733266
She's just never going to get a job again. The twitter post alone advertises how she is a trouble making piece of shit that will inevitably cause problems, scream about unfair practices and then start passing blame onto any coworkers around her and claiming they are all racist. Hiring managers are going to see this person will jump to contacting third party HR teams when she gets a bug up her ass about anything.

>>149733346
Nah, this was a bipartisan effort, Democrats who hate Americans and love brown foreigners and Republicans who hate the working class and love cheap labor.

>>149732367
I'm having a hard time believing Morghan didn't know this. I'm having a hard time believing people over the age of 18 in general don't know that working in animation is just an office job where you draw, send deliverables, and/or organize spreadsheets with drawings instead of rows of names, numbers, and emails.

>>149733425
A few people are trying to compare the gig jobs in studios to McDonalds, they really have no idea.

>>149728093
Yeah I always get a chuckle when I watch retarded coworkers learn that you do not just go straight over your boss's head without a really fucking good reason. It pisses off all the management you skipped for doing that, it pisses off the guy you spoke to because unless it's an emergency or you have a really good reason they generally have other things they need to be worrying about and odds are your "issue" is something literally anyone else could have dealt with if it's even an issue at all, and your coworkers will get annoyed because you have a big enough ego that you think that management 3 levels over you needs to make time in their busy schedule for your whining.

>>149733494
If anything it looks like some overly ambitious go getter is trying to arrogantly steal their boss' job, or make them look bad. No one is going to like that.

>>149728123
>The only problem with the Indie Creative route is that it's significantly harder to get enough recognition for it to be profitable in any way
And this problem is exclusive to indie how? These studios make shows that;
1. Look like shit
2. Created on a crunched schedule from the word go and most importantly
3. Don't turn a profit.
If the industry is completely okay with giving people the run around on peoples' check or not paying them at all. Stories like these only should only inspire artists to keep going your own way because it's not any better when you 'make it.' Quite the opposite. Spoiler for blogging The more time has passed the more I have realized the animation is more of a trauma bonded pain cult who all whine about how screwed in the ass they got while clamoring over each other for positions that they're getting less and less pay for, at the same company who fucked them over in the first place. I'll pass.

>>149728843
Nah they use condoms. By the truckload. Multiple truckloads some years..

>>149726444
>>149728123
The hurdle is that to make anything worth a damn, it takes a team of people contributing. And that is hard starting out since you need people that know what they are doing, are skilled, and can work for free until you finally start making money off it. No one who has the skills necessary will work for free.

>Just go indy bro!
Doesn't work because you need several thousand at the very beginning just to get started to get a team together to make anything.

>>149733577
It gets worse when you have retarded bosses that support employees reporting each other to HR and upper management because she's all into support cancel culture nonsense.
Watching one her pet diversity hires then turn around and get her fired for making a problematic comment (with full support from her HR buddies who were more than happy to help fire her for brownie points) was fucking hysterical.

>>149733818
No boss is going to do that. HR is a problem that managers have to keep around and they are never ever going to support someone running to HR for anything because that will lead to unnecessary spending, morale dropping, and general employee workplace morale issues later on down the road. Going to HR is not something a manager will encourage.

Any lower level middle manager that ever make any attempts to encourage telling on each other is always inevitably told on themself and fired. It's just stupid behavior.

>>149724026 (OP)
>>149724093
That’s what an internship is. The point is to gain experience and connections so you can get a real job.

>>149724093
vshojo just went under because they havent paid their employees in 1-2 years kek

>>149724026 (OP)
It sounds like she's only including the tail end of a lot of situations and omitting any of her behavior leading up to cherry-picked phrases taken completely without context.
> I was cursed out behind closed doors. I was told I could never enter a director’s office, and instructed to send my white coworker to speak to him on my behalf. I was told to my face by this person "I don't want to look at you. I don't want to see you.
So she was constantly coming into the head director's office and complaining about something so they had to institute some kind of chain of command to prevent her from inserting herself into every situation or causing unnecessary drama/friction.

>I was warned that if I spoke to anyone about the abuse I was going through, my name would be blacklisted from the industry. Finally, exhausted from the mistreatment
So she threatened them.

I asked for a meeting with a third party to address the harassment. In response, the team stopped speaking to me entirely and iced me out, making it impossible for me to continue my job.
And then immediately followed up on it by tryiung to go nuclear and cancel them via some third party HR tribunal which she thought she'd have a chance of traction with. What was the outcome of that discussion? Why did she leave out why it never went anywhere?

I was told to “go home and think about” whether I wanted to continue. I was forced to quit.
She was iced out for a clear reason. Her being the classic female+POC deadly combo who have single handedly caused implosions at notable organizations like the Sierra Club, many non-profits (see Politico article written about it 2-3 years back) or Bon Appetit's Test Kitchen.

There's always two sides to a story and she sounds like poison who goes from studio to studion causing problems until people stopped vouching for her. If you walk around smelling shit everywhere, you might want to check under your shoe.

>>149730741
Do i even need to say it?

>>149728123
>>149729629
>>149733807
holy fuck flash is free

>>149724026 (OP)
>unpaid internship
sounds like a skill issue desu, never do anything for industry clout because your gonna be empty handed and forgotten

>>149724862
>Vivzieslop left me with nothing
Kafkaesque...

>>149736493
No it isn't

Neither is labor, no one is animating on it for free

>>149734468
the point is to keep the poors out of more prestigious white collar jobs

You anons are saying she should get a real job:
Do you mean work at walmart? Fast food? Starbucks? Local restaurants? Local stores? What about jobs that are non wage pay? Or should these annoying animators get the same jobs as you because you feel nobody should be happy if you guys are not happy?

>>149724026 (OP)
Kek, the only reason I am against AI because it would mean Artrannies would no longer suffer under the corporate boot. Get fucked

>>149729536
>Pay them less if you have to, but PAY THEM.
No. Can't afford it, so the opportunity will just be dissolved

>>149729504
>getting pushed down the stairs by your coworker is a good thing as long as it's John K
Weird opinion but alright, there's no reasoning with you.

>>149736606
He's lucky she didn't eat him.

>>149732440
The issue is that in industries with unpaid internships, you are not receiving a job offer over a person that did an internship, so there isn't really an option to "just take the paid job instead." There's a tacit understanding that working for free for a period of time, up to a year, is a requirement to be in the industry, which is why entertainment is so shit (only rich kids can afford to work full time for significant portions of the calendar year without pay).

What are the main differences between working at Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network and Disney Channel?

>>149736493
Okay cool, animators and background artists aren't free.

>>149736493
You never actually read my post did you? I was talking about how one needs to recruit a team of skilled people who know how to make an animated short and anyone with skills and knowledge are not going to work for exposure or the hopes of some day being paid when the show gets big. You need money to pay people.

>>149737108
Nick
>Non union
>Cheapest of them all pays the lowest
>Everyone still loves being there and usually says it's pretty great experience

Cartoon Network
>Union shop
>Base pay
>WB is a fucking red tape nightmare for anything so expect long waits for approvals, licensing fees for characters and concepts that are owned by Warner, to be used in a Warner production (seriously that is fucked)
>Mostly a friends group, get in with the friends and you can remain employed

Disney
>Union studio
>Base pay
>Most people claim it's like high school with cliques and in groups and out groups but they love the side benefits
>Fucking side benefits, discounts on merch, parks tickets, hotel discounts, free shit, easiest of all three to move laterally to other productions

>>149737328
Weird, i thought Nick would pay more than CN since it's more popular

>>149737328
>Most people claim it's like high school with cliques and in groups and out group
Makes sense. Disney is girl shit.

>>149734468
Unpaid internships are the biggest ripoff ever. You spend 40 hours a week playing gopher and NOT getting paid...meanwhile your bill still require money. You're supposed to somehow survive like this on your own.

>>149737468
And the place is full of fags and queer girls.

How do I have more rights and benefits as a Graveyard shift custodial for an office? Seriously I hear horror stories about people not getting paid for months at an office and always on the verge of being fired, unpayed overtime, or the company going under. Meanwhile I clock in at 10:30pm, do trash, bathrooms, and deep clean projects, clock out at 7am with no issues, get paid on time, and get sick and vacation hours that accumulate monthly. If I wanted to, I can take a full 2 weeks of sick leave and still have 3 days in the bank!

>>149730755
Is this a parody?

>>149737713
Because Trash not being taken out or a Bathroom unclean is a bigger deal than a PowerPoint presentation or quarterly report on pen spending.

>>149737713
Because it's nobody's "dream job."

>>149737827
Your fault for electing Tau.

>>149737713
A Dream Job can be exploited, they can withhold pay and treat people like shit and they will stay anyway because they dreamed of doing that their entire childhood.

A hard or shitty job needs decent compensation or else no one will ever do it.

>>149737370
Popular does not equal as successful. They are owned by Viacom which does not have Warner or Disney money.

>>149738382
Oh, is this what VRV was?

>>149738909
What the hell are you talking about

>>149724026 (OP)
>worked in bean mouth city and Haley On It.
Deserved.

Industryfag here
Although it is undeniably hard to get and keep work right now, I am getting sick of seeing these posts. There is one girl in twitter who keeps posting about how it costs more in gas to commute to her regular job than she makes to cover it. Then why are you doing it? A lot of the people who are still in LA without work and don't have other jobs are clearly supported by their parents and don't really know how to have a shitty job or manage their money. Yes it is disheartening to have been employed for a while and now be unable to find work, and yes I think capitalism is ruining this country, but either find another job or kill David Zaslav.

>>149731431
Anon did you not know Animation is the hardest and best job for the best people? Their jobs are proof.

>>149731094
>Construction
>Getting stuff done on time

>>149724026 (OP)
You expect me to believe the crew that hired this is run by evil bigoted men? Ok.

>>149724026 (OP)
What media industry or any industry that people who haved worked in it Actually are happy about?

>>149739026
Concession accepted

>>149730755
Your career is over, Eddie, along with your "husband", and you will never be a man.
>Yes. Welcome to America, retard.
You are the one that lost all your fucking money working on cartoons and are calling ME retarded? Yet I live in one of the most expensive states in the union (Taxachusetts) and get by fine. Maybe just budget your shit better, bitch.

>Never mind her résumé includes SpongeBob, DuckTales, Hailey’s On It,
A zombie show with a revolving door staff, the cocky teenage latina show, and one of the biggest flops in recent memory. Great résumé!

>>149739733
Nice.

I feel like helping people in the industry is dangerous when they fail to realize they should have gratitude, and indeed could feel entitled to your support if you're too good at being helpful

>>149736996
John K would make it beneficial to your artistic development

>industry wide problem that affects every creator regardless of background
>black people STILL find a way to make it all about themselves
I swear to God one day it will be the year 3025 and the world will be a dystopian hellscape deprived of resources and nourishment and we will STILL have black people crying about not getting enough attention.

this could all be solved if animators didnt have public twitter accounts

>>149740723
Good idea

>>149740723
a lot of the world's problems would be solved if we just didn't have Twitter

>>149724026 (OP)
>Has big ol DSLs
>Doesn't suck dick to advance
No shit you're replaceable. If they knew that shit you do your tongue in the pee hole, you'd have a job with a title right now. Dummy.

>>149740796
i agree with you HOWEVER, i believe twitter is a containment for most of these retards much like tumblr and if one were to abolish it where else do you think they'll roam after they've broken free? bluesky? lol, reddit? possibly. this site? maybe but muh nazis. it would be interesting if they returned to self blog sites

>>149740841
"Containment" is a spook meant to scare you away from bad places getting nuked. Twitter isn't containing shit, we are literally in a thread about a Twitter post.

>>149724026 (OP)
This all seems very believable and not at all like the insane ramblings of a talentless diversity hire who believed she was more important than she actually was. I'm sure the executives of Disney took time out of their day to hunt down, berate, and harass a low-level employee that was working on one of their mediocre cartoon projects. That sounds like a normal thing that executives would do and no one would ever speak up about.

>>149740891
it was probably just some middle manager, not an "executive." They can be insanely petty and vindictive.

>>149740880
there's always cracks but better than a wave of shit just flooding the place
>we are literally in a thread about a Twitter post.
even worse
a bluesky thread

>>149740913
The corporate world is full of petty tyrants, but they don't busy themselves with nobodies and interns. They certainly wouldn't go after some no-name, no-rep, no importance writer on one of the many cartoons that barely make any money for Disney.

>>149740964
They absolutely do, interns are the most ripe for abuse since they have absolutely zero power and aren't even real employees with legal recourse.

>>149741015
Interns get told to get coffee and do bitch work. She didn't claim that some lower-junior-regional-acting-co-chief of the department told her to go take his car to get waxed or berated her for 10 minutes because she got his starbucks order wrong. She claimed she was "verbally abused" with no other details. Meaning she did something to make someone above her learn her name. What's the point in fucking with people they might not even be able to identify? Whose job position they might not even know? Reality is she likely fucked up super hard. She stepped on the wrong toes and got put in her place, and then tried to frame it as spontaneous executive abuse.

>>149730755
It's actually a pretty simple situation when you look at it.
She had problems at Jobs A, B, and C and complained about workplace abuse and left with the idea that she would never be hired again. It happened at all three. The common factor in all three is her.

>>149740964
The whole appeal of becoming a petty tyrant is taking your shit out on the people who matter least and have no power to push back. The lowest levels get a better picture of middle management’s character than the people they deign important enough to be passive aggressive with

>>149741150
And it still requires that the peon do something to get on the shithead's radar. Somehow this woman encountered trouble at every single place she worked, and somehow got multiple jobs across multiple shows at different studios, and somehow we're supposed to believe that she just, for no reason whatsoever, was attacked by some corpo demon at random.

>>149740723
Decoupling Twitter from the animation industry would solve a LOOOOTTTTTTTT of problems. Like an unbelievable amount of them that you just have no fucking idea.

>Almost the entire capacity to and a job moved to twitter around 2015ish, meaning all hires were Twitter users, or quick Twitter converts
>Actual traditional means of landing a job vanished
>Way too many people will make changes or add things to a show so they can brag about it on Twitter. Any reference, or really anything political or topical is snuk in so they can brag they did that
>Same shit happens on an official basis too. Writers and directors will add in annoying political or social commentary so they can brag about it in a tweet later
>Executives at the top moved over to using Twitter as their market research around 2013ish and will make demands that any trending topic be added to an episode
>People daily ruin their careers so they can post shit on Twitter

>>149729629
THIS, and that's why Digital Circus got so dam big.
>the pilot (Episode 1) has over 383mil views
Happy for Goose and crew.

>>149741194
You have no idea what was said. It’s obvious that she didn’t know some unspoken rules and norms of the workplace, but that’s not actually a problem with her work or personality. She was there to learn. She followed the course of action she was told to take instead and made the effort to communicate with a manager when there was a problem. A lot of jobs would kill for more of that.

When you pay interns in school credit, you legally agree to provide commensurate instruction and not solely use them for free labor, even though most companies ignore that obligation. Not training an intern and failing to set role expectations because they can’t be bothered with anyone who isn’t an insider nepobaby reflects more poorly on the company culture than the disgruntled greenie.

>Hailey's On It

She was the person who made Becker gay for her self insert, wasn't she?

>>149741318
There's a single common denominator between all of her workplace issues and it's her. She somehow found a way to get work at multiple places that all had issues paying her. She found some way to get verbally abused by all of her bosses. She found some way to destroy all of her job prospects, and now she's e-begging.

>>149741382
>Becker is gay
And that's bad because...?

>>149741424
It actually wasn't even that, but they hint that Becker has a crush on Hailey, only for it to get dropped the next episode and a black girlfriend replacement is introduced out of nowhere.

>>149741423
The common denominator is white corporate entertainment industry culture, which is naturally above reproach.

>>149741453
At least she got to self-insert herself, most people don't even get a chance.

>>149741472
>white
Tipped your hand too much there. You went from arguing that it was some nebulous aspect of corrupt, corporate culture and instantly sputtered into "racism" because you don't want to admit that a strong independent black woman could ever be responsible for anything that ever happened to her.

>>149741535
>Doesn’t know white people have a recognizable culture

>>149741711
>blames everything on white people

>>149741757
> White American culture upholds norms of colorblindness, a philosophy that both refuses to name white American culture and assures that white American culture will remain the dominant culture in the United States. In fact, that’s the main reason white Americans are reluctant to name our own culture. Why be “white American” when being “just American” works as well, if not better? We get to assert an identity (American), protect our (white) privileges by making it taboo to discuss white American culture, and undermine people of other racial/cultural groups (playing the “race card”) when they try to discuss it. We can have our cake, and eat it too.

>>149741761
Lmao you really wasted all this time trying to defend this e-beggar because you hate white people. Pathetic.

>>149741472
Its not owned by whites BTW, do some research. Also, the industry is absolutely collapsing so it's only going to get more entertaining as others figure it out and managers start throwing people under the bus.

>>149741318
>She followed the course of action she was told to take instead and made the effort to communicate with a manager when there was a problem. A lot of jobs would kill for more of that.

Yeah that clearly worked out for her. Most managers I met will go on long-winded by the script talks about wanting what you described so they can feel good about themselves and think where they work is a healthy environment, but realistically they just want quiet robots who put their heads down in their work without rocking the boat even in the face of abuse so they get more time to yap to their buddies and pretend they're doing more than they are. They clearly don't value what she did otherwise she would still be working.

>>149741797
Nah, I’m good. You wasted your own time contradicting yourself and showing your ass. A whole meltdown because you learned there’s a name for that “nebulous” corporate culture. Hope your lot improves man.

>>149741868
>NUH UH
Try making a real argument next time, Morghan. Maybe people will be more inclined to believe you if you own up to what you did instead of crying about how corporate culture and white people are evil and racist.

>>149741472
Which corporate culture do you feel like needs to be adopted instead?

>>149741472
The one thing you don't want is Asian corporate culture instead.

>>149730818
>"Provided comprehensive administrative support to entire animation department, efficiently handling daily scheduling tasks and fostering seamless communication"
Wait, this fat cunt was talking like she was working on the fucking cartoons themselves, but she was an office assistant the whole time? Her husband probably got her a job and then she botched it for both of them by being a loud-mouthed idiot who pissed off everyone in the office because she thought she was training to be part of the team.

>>149729389
Proof? I know the guy was a degen & an asshole but I never heard of him pushing someone down a flight of stairs.

>>149725460
I'm saying she's an ugly woke looking cunt who probably got hired because she was a black woman, literally getting jobs as a DEI hire, and at each of her jobs she expected them to kiss her ass.

>The animator of my favorite Disney movie Bambi was an Asian

>>149737500
>You're supposed to somehow survive like this on your own.
...by getting a second or third job. It sucks, but that's just part of the grind

>>149732724
>It's old people sticking to their positions
Its not because of the veteran animators. Similar to craftsmanwork, animation has had the Master-Apprentice pipeline ever since Disney made Snow White. Inbetweening is the usual job for an apprentice because it is a mostly boring and brainless job but simple and essential enough to be an entry level task for a beginner. Problem is that entry level apprentice job is shipped to korean sweatshops instead, studios don't apply master-apprentice type of education anymore even though that would be the most natural way of doing things.

The way animating process works its quite easy to take some part of it and delegate it to someone else that might not know much about animation but knows how to copy a line on paper.

>>149732513
>ts also concerns /a/ because its killing anime as well. Old guard is not being replaced by new people.
At least some new directors(they probably worked as animators for 20 years and only now they get to direct) still raise out of /a/ here and there. I can't think of any new western directors.

>>149742508
This. Not much of a 'gotcha' when every other group in the corporate world is worse.

>>149745696
>that's just part of the grind
No retard it's exploitation

>>149729536
>I'm of the firm belief
I don't McFucking care.

>>149733425
>I'm having a hard time believing Morghan didn't know this.
You underestimate the blatant stupidity of some people. Especially women.

>>149747337
Why don't you?

I'm seeing a pattern, a certain common element of each of these situations.

>>149745696
That's the thing: An internship is NOT a damn JOB!!! Jobs PAY!!.

>>149724093
It's an internship. Aren't those usually unpaid?

>>149748394
>An internship is NOT a damn JOB!!! Jobs PAY!!.
Oh right, sorry.
*...by getting a first or second job.

>>149748394
>>149748435
Unpaid internships are legal in the US, but in much of the civilized world they're illegal.

>>149747230
>exploitation
meh, less of a rip-off than college.
The training, work experience, and resume building is worth it for most people.

>>149748791
Well, Mr. Commie, here in Murica we have this thing called FREEDOM that let's us work for FREE! Get it?

>>149748394
Pre-Graduation internships do not pay, they are considered college classes and are credited
Post-Graduation internships are required to pay.

>>149745736
Story board

No one animates in the US, the jobs here are storyboarding positions. Those Also quit having any level of training or entry level positions around 2010-2012. No one new can get in any longer unless they are born into it and have connections from an early age.

All jobs in all studios in California are story gigs, story artist, story timer, or story revisionist. People need to quit calling them animators and listing examples of animators from the 1950s when talking about jobs right here right now.

>>149724118
The world would be a better place without you in it.

>>149750470
Story is the more in demand job anyway since that is the one that leads to directing and eventually showrunning. People with talent and ambition want to be story artists, animating is a factory level grunt job that only leads to more animating before burnout.

>>149730755
Well said.

I think more people ought to read up on the history of the industry, because animation has never been a cushy job.

>>149750592
>animation has never been a cushy job.
Never ever?

>People would rather say "get a real job" than say "the megacorps should pay employees a living wage instead of giving the Zaslavs of the world more gold-plated yachts"

>>149745736
>Problem is that entry level apprentice job is shipped to korean sweatshops instead,
And AI. People going "Don't worry, AI will only take the gruntwork away" are imbeciles. That gruntwork is where artists learned their chops while getting a paycheck. You take that away, the only people who are going to be able to survive an "artist" career are the ones who don't need a paycheck. Trustfund kiddies born to rich parents. The AIbros are building a world where The Poors don't have a voice in our shared culture.

>>149751009
>Zaslav-Self made millionaire that built a nothing channel into one of the biggest media empires through effort
>Animators-Socialist nepo babies that demand free money for being alive, and lots of it, 6 figures of free money!

>>149751116
Bait used to be believable.

>>149751098
I'm not really doing it on purpose. I mostly operate on the teenage ideal of everyone having their own customizable interface. We had this with MySpace and people liked using it. Everyone ends up feeling like their personal style is either unique or it isn't. The motion of people to less customizable sites is an organic trend, there isn't any way (or a reason) to stop it.

I'm extremely conflicted after yesterday. Everything I idealize feels broken. /co/ needs quality, nostalgia, a lasting sense of the world we are all trying to inspire ourselves to build

What is the point of drawfags? How much porn/ecchi/risque whatever should someone have to do before becoming a "real" cartoonist? Is the generative slop really the terrible travesty we kinda feel like it is, if we can at least not have to waste our time drawing NSFW?

Yeah I kinda wanted to incorporate AI with my own art. Not any of the pre-trained crap (which mathematically cannot be anything other than derivative) but stuff I build myself and customize for each project. It doesn't seem like anyone has whatever we were supposed to consider as a winning move.

All the conflicts were drawn out 30 years ago and we just surf the memes

>>149751009
They should, but they don't have to because they have a constant stream of suckers clamoring to work for free. As long as that's the case they'll never change.
>but the government could -
lol, lmao even

>>149751098
AI would ironically make animation much cheaper to produce. Problem is AI is not good enough to do most Inbetweening either. Theres some japanese animation programs with an option for AI inbetweening but it can do 1 frame out of 30. Do any more than that and it starts breaking shit and hallucinating. Animation is the one department where nobody will cry about AI because the biggest issue is the sheer amount of work that needs to be done and which as a result makes budgets bloat too much.
>>149750509
Its in demand because its easier and less work intensive. Storyboarding lacks some of the subtle movements that animator can add into the scene and let their creativity flow that way. But californian nepo-babies don't really care.

>>149752036
It also pays much more and has actual career progression.

>>149739733
Confession denied.

>>149726344
Scamming and bottlicking does not count lol