Why does good animation basically only come from the United States, France, and Japan?

Makes you think.

Largest amount of manchildren

>>149779473 (OP)
Money

>>149779473 (OP)
>United States
>good animation

>>149779473 (OP)
Canada has good animation too

>>149779629
also because Latin America and Latin Europe are too lazy
Eastern Europe was under communism, where education was focused on studying classics and playing chess, and this sort of stuff was frowned on. China still is.
then India, Africa, and Pacific Asia are not developed enough

>>149779473 (OP)
>Why does good animation basically only come from the United States, France, and Japan?

disney ended their studio in Australia.

I guess the other answer is that America and Japan had industry to produce toys and other merchandise to support their animation studios. They also have amusement parks and museums. Eventually merchendise production would move to china but the model remained the same.

Australia didnt really have that and had to depend on companies in Japan and America.

France gets around this by providing a subsidy to their animation studios. I also vaguely remember some parts of the japaense merch industry being subsidized like art books. I think Canada was or is subsidizing their animation industry too.

I guess a lot of the folks from Disney Australia went on to make bluey, but I think that might also be paid for by government subsidies and licencing to disney.

>>149779676
>China still is.

China could make animation. But I'm curious how they could make it interesting and it not go against the party line.

How does a narative that depends on a single invidual changing their life or a group of friends on adventures work under a system that frounds on indivudality?

And how would they always avoid being critical of the system the characters exist in? Even american and Japanese animation is critical of the problems of life.

>>149779722
the USSR had “good” cartoon animations but they were just educational. it wasn’t meant to be entertaining or just for fun, in the way we think of cartoons in the US.

>>149779752
>the USSR had “good” cartoon animations but they were just educational. it wasn’t meant to be entertaining or just for fun, in the way we think of cartoons in the US.

the wolf and rabbit ones were ok. But you also saw how limited animation without criticism of the greater world could be. They lacked the same dept of american cartoons.

How does a character overcome anything or joke about something if they are not allowed to acknowledge the suffering of life?

Those Russian and Rabbit cartoons had some suffering like falling from things, having things fall on them, but it all felt subdued.

>>149779700
>Australia didnt really have that and had to depend on companies in Japan and America.
Oz had a few big animated movies in the 2000s-2010s but they were all co-productions with burgers.
There's the occasional smaller production that'll float to the top though.

>>149779473 (OP)
every modern country has an animations industry, most of them just don't get translated to english.
And arguably all the american cartoons you like are made in south korea.

>>149779473 (OP)
China > all

>>149779722

>>149779837
What movie is this?

>>149779904
this is the standards America was animating a decade and a half ago. this is way subpar for 2025.
compare it to Puss in Boots, TMNT, and the second Spider-Verse and you’ll see what I mean. China is still a decade behind. it’s even worse in anime

>>149779473 (OP)
I like the rare paddymation

>>149779973
> China is still a decade behind.
No. Watch the movie

https://youtu.be/kZWF7stwLlY?feature=shared

>>149779973
> Puss in Boots, TMNT, and the second Spider-Verse

All choppy skipping frames of animation

>>149779676
> China still is.

>>149779490
Based but eastern Europe hasn't made anything good since then

>>149779904
late 2000s CGI vibes

>>149779676
Mexico has been making decent stuff like Frankelda recently
The USSR and some of the eastern block placed some amount of importance in the arts which is why you got decent funding for experimental and artistic stuff back in the cold war era. They didn't like manchildren but they still made decent animation.
I don't know what Russia makes these days besides Masha and the Bear and standard fairy tale animated movies where the hero is a stand on for Putin
Czechs literally animated tom and Jerry from time to time and it's arguable that an Hungarian cartoon(mezga family) influenced American cartoons like Dexter's Lab but I'll leave that others to theorize
I know less about China but the style over there is more varied than current American animation, party due to some Soviet influence in animation style back in the day but also being close to Japan.

>>149779473 (OP)
freedom of speech + rich

>>149779722
>But I'm curious how they could make it interesting and it not go against the party line.
You can do almost whatever you want if it's wuxia and set long ago and a fantasy world. Pretty sure Ne Zha is set in the mythological era of chinese history which is like setting a story on Atlantis.
They're not fans of homosex but there's tons of yaoi xianxia novels all over the place. AtLA got aired there and had a fandom, and that references the invasion of Tibet("which is in china") by the fire nation("stupid japs") and features secret police(which is a common wuxia trope)

>>149779752
Are you the guy that always posts soviet lolis? Because that only makes sense if you've only watched those types of cartoons. Soviet cartoons were varied, there were plenty ones that were art for art's sake

>Murrica
Huge capital investments and decades of industry experience
>Frogland
Too based, they just do whatever the fuck they want and it works
>The Land of the Period Blood Sheet
See Murrica

>>149780359
This looks pretty experimental.

>>149779665

>>149780938
Mouse...

>>149779473 (OP)
Developed countries with the highest concentration of pedophiles.

>>149779473 (OP)
No one seriously mentioned Britain/The UK?

>>149779473 (OP)
It doesn't, first off, but
US: Large very rich country basically guarantees it's going to have a cultural footprint in every domain
France: Specializes in niche of western horniness
Japan: Actually culturally dedicated to animation as a medium

>>149781636
Stfu thirdie

>>149782715
How would you know he's a thirdie?

>>149782843
It's just something you say to people you don't like on here

>>149781667
Outside Aardman, the UK hasn't had an animation industry for about three decades. Sure the odd film here and there (recent Moomim film, for example) but it's just not well paid and nobody has the money to put into it. Any that try produce Newsground tier animations (Full English, that football one I forget its name) and its draconian Orwellian level of control on the population means you'll be fucked by Ofcom for even putting in innuendo. Jokes are racist/offensive so you can't have those either. So what is there to produce? Can't do horny like the French or Japanese. Can't do comedy like USA. So you're left with shit. Long gone are the days of Monkey Dust and Stressed Eric.

>>149783222
>the UK hasn't had an animation industry for about three decades
Why?

They're the main ones willing to put actual money or time into animation.
Not so much the US these days though, our animation industry is basically dying at this point.

>>149780159
It's difficult to top the greats.

>>149780359
NTA, but I post Alice because she her Philomena Cunk-esque appearance is enough to get a laugh out of me and annoy so many. There's loads of Soviet-era cartoons that range from artistic masterpieces like The Snow Queen (God, what a hottie) and Katerok to silly shit like Doctor Aybolit and the Plasticine Crow. Great stuff all around.

>>149780266
Mexico is growing and has manchildren in it already. It has some potential, that is if epsteins best friend doesnt decide to start bombing it. But then Mexico would just align with China, the other country with a lot of manchildren and potential to make more cartoons

>>149784911
Her goofy ass face is what makes her weirdly cute to me
Japs could never

>>149784911
Who's this

>>149784976
Fag

>>149779904
There is little compelling about this

>>149785613
Mad.

>>149779473 (OP)
i know this is some bait shit because i have seen this exact same OP many times, but also you can tell the board is mostly bots, when they always fail to mention the country that made 32 feature-length animated movies and 53 animated series, not even counting the co-productions. not to mention that they are almost always fully locally made without outsourcing, unlike USAian ones.

>>149781636
>highest concentration of pedophiles.

India d the niddle east are making cartoons now?

>>149785754
I'm going to make a wild guess, Hungary.
The truth is that /co/ is made up of mostly slop consumers who watch whatever is given them, so they dont really go out of their comfort zones that often

>>149785741
Cope retard

>>149785789
>>149785754
No one will ever care about Eastern Euro animation because 90% of it is only available in one of your irrelevant languages and few people care to make fansubs of them or host them on proper torrent sites.
Not to mention, most modern cartoon consumers are tech-illiterate and can't figure out torrenting to save their lives anyways, so anything that's not easily-accessible on a streaming site of some kind may as well be non-existent to them.

>>149785836
>irrelevant languages
unlike Japanese cartoons, which are in a language only used in a single country, and yet people take the time to translate it for free.
>and few people care to make fansubs
guess what happens even if someone does. this happens: >>149630468

>so anything that's not easily-accessible on a streaming site
most movies and series nowadays are released in english soon after the original version. if not, there are companies like Deaf Crocodile which do them anyway.
>>149785789
>so they dont really go out of their comfort zones that often
so i guess this is the right answer

>>149786035
>which are in a language only used in a single country, and yet people take the time to translate it for free.
Japan has more people than the entire population of eastern Europe sans Russia combined and far more output, that's the main reason why so many people online spend (or more like spent, these days) the time to translate stuff that came out of that country. Not to mention the fansubbing and fan translation of Japanese media has been going on for nearly 40 years now, and has basically become a psuedo-industry all its own.
>guess what happens even if someone does. this happens
That's just a consequence of the modern cartoon audience that I mentioned, most of the audience is only interested in tumblr-adjacent shows and the like these days and the people who aren't generally either don't watch cartoons or are only interested in the stuff they watched growing up.
>most movies and series nowadays are released in english soon after the original version.
The question is where.
If it's not somewhere that your average cartoon watcher is aware of, it's not going to be viewed, period.

>>149779473 (OP)
It’s expensive to make, requires a lot of different artists so even people from other countries will centralize to these places

>>149785794
Hope, genius.

>>149784976
Mexico is literally now a socialist country with an evil commie government and it's literally at the brink of misery

>>149786762
They were when that show was made during AMLO
I bet they have WMD's too!

>>149779473 (OP)
>USA
Hollywood and Disney legacy.
>France
Government subsided cinema industry that animation studio took advantage of.
Great private and public animation school (Goblins, etc.).
Although, most of the stories are pretty shit, to be honest.
>Japan
I don't know, but they had a good inside economy. And most the early animation projects were direct-to-vhs. And, at the time, most of the animation materials were made in Japan and China, so it was cheaper to produce in Japan.

>>149779473 (OP)
USSR used to have great animation before corruption ruined everything

>>149786227
>Japan has more people than the entire population of eastern Europe sans Russia combined
depends on what you consider "eastern Europe". Hungary, for example, is not even officially considered eastern-European, but USAians usually call it that anyway.
the OP also includes France, which is also not a language understood by anyone else, except québecians and maybe people from their past colonies.

>most of the audience is only interested in tumblr-adjacent shows and the like these days and the people who aren't generally either don't watch cartoons or are only interested in the stuff they watched growing up.
then the question should be "why do i only care about animation like that" and not "Why does good animation basically only come from the United States, France, and Japan?"
>The question is where.
the thread i linked to posted the link right there, and noone cared. what my previous webm is from, was on youtube for years with english subtitles, and had 70k views and 35 comments when it got taken down: https://web.archive.org/web/20250304002508/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eUbpdlwoJY
the movie where this mp4 is from is on amazon prime and apple TV.

funny how whenever someone claims some generalized bullshit rooted in ignorance, and someone else proves them wrong, posters like you come and act as if it's the second person you should be arguing with.
someone claimed that good animation basically only comes from 3 countries, i presented a counter-argument, then it got derailed into how accessible things are to the general audience when that was never part of the argument. no need to claim something they don't actually know about, and i don't think i should be the one who has to explain himself.
also i don't know how much /co/ audience should be conflated with general audience, when this board developed obsession over things noone else cared about, see Ongezellig which is a single pilot.
so it ultimately comes down to willful ignorance

France and Japan take art seriously.
USAoids as a society think learning art is gay and for fags but have lots of money(for now)

>>149787280
>>149787486
Meds

>>149788753
yeah, they made some good stuff too.

>>149785836
People used to say the same about anime. And while Japan and anime are a very different beast, the point is that there will always be people interested in other country's animations, Soviet and Eastern bloc cartoons are seen as cute or higher art to a lot of animation enthusiasts, there is an audience and people already translate a few for free.
Doesn't have to be these huge projects on the level of anime subs and scanlations. You're just arguing over tastes.

They know how to use globalization well.

>>149789354
Yeah.

>>149780072
at least it’s done tastefully. the interpolation of the frames in that Chinese animation looks watered down to shit. all of the movement looks puppeteered, meaning there’s no sense of force or impact.

>>149787280
>the OP also includes France, which is also not a language understood by anyone else, except québecians and maybe people from their past colonies.
France makes lots of English-language work as well, and works on American projects all the time (a good example being Arcane, which was animated by a French studio).
>then the question should be "why do i only care about animation like that" and not "Why does good animation basically only come from the United States, France, and Japan?"
It's less that and more that trends in western animation over the last 10-15 year drove off the audience that WAS interested in animation that wasn't like that. It's hard to build an audience outside of tumblr and tumblr-adjacent types when you've spent over a decade appealing almost exclusively to those types.
>someone claimed that good animation basically only comes from 3 countries
When looking at the animation industry over the last 50-60 years, yes, the bulk of what would be considered good animation comes from the 3 countries OP listed. That's not to say that NO good animation exists outside of those countries, but when OP said "basically only" that meant the vast majority, which is absolutely the case.
>also i don't know how much /co/ audience should be conflated with general audience
The general audience doesn't really care that much about animation period outside of something to babysit their children. For your average person media in general is mostly just "in one ear, out the other" when it comes to what they consume.

>>149787280
>>149790377
France colonized a huge amount of countries. it is not an insignificant language at all.
no it’s not Spanish or English, but it’s pretty much the budget Walmart version

>>149779671
Does Canada have any prestige animation?

>>149780099
No one outside of China watched this wannabe pixar slop of one of the only handful of CCP-approved Chinese myths regurgitated yet again.

>>149780022
Isn't it JUST Cartoon Saloon tho?

>>149785116
Indeed. I just love how silly she looks; it's as if there's not a single thought in that little brain of hers, and yet she's as stoic as Zeno.
I love this little doofus.

>>149785562
That's the Crocodile from Doctor Aybolit. Technically, he originates from the Chukovsky poem "The Stolen Sun" but since Chukovsky also wrote Doctor Aybolit (among other stories) then it makes sense he would be part of the crew of the main antagonist, Barmaley. He's my favorite because he's a dope boxing crocodile, and I just really like reptiles.

>>149790815
It is?

>>149792439
Probably.

>>149784911
Rereading this, I wanna clear up I mean this(probably) guy
>>149749615
very UPA-looking little girls, I can feel his posting style, he doesn't stick to eastern bloc cartoons but it's a fave source of his
I AM being autistic

>>149790913
Crocs

>>149793793
It tis. The gov only subsidises live action (mostly films) so it's hard to get a studio off the ground. Most people head off to the UK or US once you got a degree.

>>149796589
Oh, that's the local retard Birchy or maybe Augie (strange that his alias is after a Hanna-Barbera character). I just like Soviet-era cartoons because I have family from Russia who immigrated to America when the USSR collapsed and I grew up with a bunch of those cartoons mixed in with regular American cartoons like Tom and Jerry and Popeye. The funny thing is that I never knew they made an Alice cartoon until about a year ago; to know that the composer is the same guy who did On the Road With Clouds is probably why I fell in love with the show.

>>149797363
Speaking of crocodiles, what is it with them being so popular in Russian media? You have Crocodile Gena, the Crocodile from Vanya and the Crocodile, the aforementioned Crocodile from The Stolen Sun, I can go on; it's as if Russians are as obsessed with those archosaurs as they are with putting dill into all of their food.
That isn't to say I don't like the crocodiles - I like reptiles of all sorts from squamates to testudines, crocodilians to rhynchocephalians - I was just curious.

>>149787137
>USSR used to have great animation before corruption ruined everything

So sometimes before Lenin died and Stalin took over?

>>149797530
Exotic animals

>>149787280
I have asked many times for a download link for that movie and all I get is paywall streaming sites, fuck that shit.

>>149790766
> No one outside of China watched this
I did

>>149779473 (OP)
Cause other nations crub stomp there animation studios whenever they get big enough or make something of higher quality

>>149779473 (OP)
Because animation is expensive.

>>149790766
Bait used to be believable.

>>149797643
That makes sense.

>>149797685
>good animation basically only comes from 3 countries
>wrong.
>okay but they are not available globally.
>wrong.
>okay but they are not available FOR FREE.

how many times does the goalpost need to be moved just to avoid admitting that OP was wrong?
also somehow this doesn't seem to be a problem for the discussion of other paid content, for which i don't tend to see torrent links thrown around.