Thread 149790605

Why isn’t Psylocke/Kwannon a bigger character in Marvel?

>>149790605 (OP)
Being in X-Men comics has an effect like a bucket of crabs?

>>149790605 (OP)
she isnt a big character in marvel?
well fuck ive been gaslight all my life, if thats the case.

>>149790605 (OP)
I think I figured out how her costume works. It always looks kinda painted on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UgnV4EzC4Y

>>149790605 (OP)
Was she put in capcom games because she was popular or did she become popular because she was in Capcom games. Eitherway, afaik, she is only good for pin ups and cheesecake, i don't think i've ever seen people actually talk about her character. Most people are actually surprised when you tell them she is a british woman that bodyjacked a female assasin.
Why wasn't jubilee ever playable anyway?

>>149790605 (OP)
She has a very popular look, but nothing else.
It's like Spider-Gwen, but without Peter Parker to cling onto for dear life.

Her solo is like in the top 100 how big do you expect her to be

>>149790605 (OP)
She went through the entire Krakoa era in one team book after another

She's in the MacKay X-Men book which is at least as important as the Gail book, and she's second in command
And she has her own solo book (which is probably canceled at issue 10)

She's doing better than Betsy

>>149790605 (OP)
>complicated as fuck backstory
>another fucking X-Men psychic
Psylocke has always only been notable due to coom, but nowadays Emma and Magik seem more popular with that crowd, so you're only left with the sexy kunoichi diehards.

>>149791004
I only know her because of the Deadpool game. Do she and domino not really mix with the red merc in the comics?

I always wondered if her name inspired Frylock.

>>149791433
It must be a pretty notable demographic though, surely? Lots of guys love hot asian girls.

>>149791729
Manga and anime is more accessible than ever thanks to the internet

They can get it straight from the source instead of diluted through several layers of American hegemony

>>149791729
Sure, she still has a fanbase (just look at any Marvel related rosterfagging thread), but she can fulfil that purpose just by being a team filler where she can strike pin-up poses while not doing much plot wise.

Asians are banned from the spotlight in a way that makes the treatment of black people look tame
Suffering from success indeed

>>149791787
Yeah but most of those don't look like asian girls, you get what I'm saying? So if you're into that sort then this doesn't really scratch that itch.

>>149791433
Funny enough Betsy's distinct situation actually utilizes her psychic background distinctly enough to be character defining instead of just something she has.

>>149790980
Hell yeah! I love when they've clearly been lifting!

>>149791433
Psylock is still popular with the coomers thanks to Rivals. Every skin showing off her ass is a boost in popularity.

>>149791433
Magik backstory is a lot more complicated. At least they reversed Psylocke's bodyswap, but I'm pretty sure current Magik is still Belasco's tulpa.

>>149790605 (OP)
She has always been a D-tier Xman which makes things much much worse for the greater Marvel U.

>>149790605 (OP)
Cause they won’t do this

>>149792490
Or this.

>>149792371
People have far more problems dealing with the bodyswap shit than a girl getting kidnapped, aging super fast due to magic bullshit and then becoming a demon goth.

>>149790605 (OP)
I mean, other than being a piece of ass, she has pretty useless powers when you've got Charles and Jean on the team.

>>149790980
Just fucking terrible, fuck off.

>>149792669
Really? Because what kills my interest in Magik is that she may or may not be just a copy of the original conjured by Belasco's imagination.

I don't why they don't do away with her schizophrenic backstory.

>>149793116
People like her being a quirky demon girl.
And if you are hung up on her technically not being real, I'm pretty sure the majority of marvel heroes are now simulacra of their original selves.

>>149790605 (OP)
Because she isn't featured much in the show or movies.

>>149790605 (OP)
She's purely a fan service character while being a badass psychic ninja. There's more to her than that but historically she's mostly known for looking hot and doing cool ninja stuff with her powers. You could explain her backstory and character to others and it'd go in one ear and out the other while they're ogling her.

>>149793645
>I'm pretty sure the majority of marvel heroes are now simulacra of their original selves.
Most of the big names have died and been revived in ways that let you go "but are they REALLY the originals?" Heroes Reborn and all that.

Not Squirrel Girl though! She has "Unbeatable" in her name for a reason.

>>149791606
Frylock is a Fry Warlock
Psylocke's name comes from the word psyche(psy-"key", psy "lock)

>>149790785
That first girl's body is crazy.

>>149794715
That's how they get the job.

>>149790785
That's all costume. The true reason is comic book magic.

>>149794379
More like Unbearable Squirrel Girl. Funny how the comic became slightly more bearable when that big titty hack stopped drawing it.

>>149793116
That's a LOT of characters nowadays. Steve Rogers, for one, is a tulpa, while his original body is taken over by Captain Hydra.

>>149796352
Then you have Betsy being some sort of soul construct but technically that nothing new.
Then, you have whatever the fuck Iron Man is now.

>>149790953
I don't know, but I always assumed Psylocke made it into the early Capcom games over Rogue or Jean, and Silver Samurai made it in over more important villains because Capcom wanted some Japanese characters in the game, and didn't know or didn't care about Psylocke's convoluted backstory. The games were her main appearance outside of comics for a long time, she was only in 2-3 cartoon episodes. I'm not convinced she was one of the most popular characters in the first X-Men arcade game, but Capcom said their research showed she was, and used that as an excuse to recycle her into Marvel Super Heroes.

Jubilee wasn't a playable character in games because she was a kid with a power that was usually treated as low-tier (despite comics occasionally trying to push the idea of her having the potential to be much more powerful). She'd be the Marvel game equivalent of Dan but without being a comedy character.

Did anybody cares about Betsy before she became a ninja?

>>149790605 (OP)
She's a lesbian now, though the Marvel Rivals version is apparently an entirely new Psylocke.

>>149790605 (OP)
Elektra is just a more interesting version of her, and I say this as an X-Fag

>>149790605 (OP)
>>149792196
>The focused totality of Psylocke's power
More like focASSed totality

>>149790605 (OP)
the simple answer is not enough adaptations. she only barely appears in TAS and X-Men '97, has a minor role in Wolverine and the X-Men, and even her role in Apocalypse is nothing significant especially since she didn't return again. The bodyswap thing can be confusing but not if going forward they just make it Kwannon alone, or just make Betsy half-Japanese. Psylocke is mostly known among fans for Marvel vs Capcom and now Rivals (where she's neither Betsy nor Kwannon but an AU version called Sai) and there's a noticeable uptick in her recognizability now thanks to the latter. it's just a matter of her showing up more prominently in adaptations going forward as part of the core X-Men cast.
I hate Rivals gooners and the constant porn around Psylocke (especially the Vengeance skin) but I can't be mad at the whole thing making her a lot popular nowadays, I just hope it sticks and has more legs to it than just coombait and self-insert ships from Spidey/Venom fans

>>149791811
She hasn't been asian for more than a decade, retard

>>149796691
>self-insert ships from Spidey/Venom fans
Why are they like this with EVERY notable and even semi-popular female character? Like they can't waifu a girl without also self-inserting as /theirguy/ all the time too, even when /theirguy/ has nothing to do with that girl at all.

>>149796691
I don't like how she used swords. Like yeah, she is a ninja, but she is also a X-woman. She is not supposed to kill.

>>149796695
it's just a mix of 1) large fanbase means more examples of horny self-inserters 2) Spidey's dating history is all over the place thanks to modern Marvel editorial also being self-inserters who'd rather see him date a dozen women rather than settle with MJ like he's meant to be, and 3) Japanese woman makes tentacle hentai enjoyers' dicks erect, and Venom is their closest example (despite the fact that Venom in the comics was about brute strength and figure, tentacles etc. were a quirk of other symbiotes like Carnage)
TL;DR coomers find an attractive character and imagine themselves to be Spidey dating said character because they got nothing else to do

>>149796706
>she is also a X-woman. She is not supposed to kill.
Lmao where the fuck do retards like you come from?

>>149796658
what do they even have in common other than being ninjas?

>>149796725
The 1970s. Because Wolverine has been murdering men by the dozen since the 80s

>>149796778
Strange, because my first Wolvie story (bone claw era by Warren Ellis) had him trying to NOT kill any of the assassins sent after him because he didn't want to go back to how he was.

>>149796706
not that the X-Men have a super strong moral against killing, but I feel like that makes it interesting in Kwannon's case, because she's been trained to kill on instinct if necessary as an assassin, but now that she's in a more heroic role she'll have to learn how to mellow out and be helpful in non-lethal ways

>>149796985
Isn't that Wolverine's character arc?

>>149790605 (OP)
That Ass is terrible. Not the art just the ass a pretty well drawn terrible ass.

>>149796332
>More like Unbearable Squirrel Girl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY9dUk49sEk

>>149790605 (OP)
>this is apparently an englishwoman

>>149797573
why not

>>149790953
ZAMN

>>149797064
yeah more or less, but it's still kinda different because while Wolverine was always a killer Kwannon was more or less trained from a young age to be an assassin which still makes it a different sort of journey

>>149796691
>I hate Rivals gooners
Seethe

>>149798193
this isn't the flex you think anon

>>149798221
Cope

no comeback? oh well I accept your concession then

>>149796658
Nah. Elektra was supposed to be a one off character. Psylocke is better equipped for series imo.

>>149790605 (OP)
She's the iconic Asian character in western media, they're just now building up a fanbase and mythology around her.

>>149796691
honestly never understood why she didn’t return after the climax fight in Apocalypse, I mean Storm got in somehow and she just walked away? and it’s not like there was on-set drama because Olivia Munn loved playing the character and was open to returning

>>149798976
Psylocke has more potential for solo runs than Elektra who's always kinda tied with Daredevil

>>149796693
And I'm waiting for Mojo to change it back.
Would Mojo still be a tv executive? Or would he be a streamer personality on Mojotube?

>>149799456
>And I'm waiting for Mojo to change it back
why would anyone with a brain want that?

>>149790605 (OP)
Is Psylocke is such a good character then what are her arch enemies and major story arcs? Oh... she has none? Yeah, that's what I thought, Psyfags.

what sort of argument is that? most X-Men characters operate as a unit and don’t have specific nemesis or villains, thats far from the only metric to define a character’s quality
>inb4 bait
yeah I know but I had to say it anyway, at least he won’t get a (You)

>>149796706
I’m sure being slashed by swords is less dangerous than being mindraped by one of the many telepath X-Men

>>149800619
Why don't more mutants have specific villains like Wolverine does?

>>149801355
Technically, you have Cyclops and Jean with Mr Sinister, but its barely played up now.

>>149801355
Most of them don't have long term solo books, and those solos usually get ignored by future writers
Did you know Enchantress and Klaw and Doom used to fight Dazzler? The X-Books don't seem to

The current era of books is trying to elevate various characters by giving them solo books.
Jean fought Perrikus and the Dark Gods and the Black Order
Storm has fought the Thunder Gods of various pantheons as she prepares to fight Hadad, someone who killed Oblivion
Magik has been mostly dealing with Liminal but he had a few minions she's probably going to clash with the secret society Moonstar joined
Psylocke has been haunted by her childhood friend who can control Yokai and is trying to take over the Hand in Japan

>>149801355
Wolverine has a solo and a crazy amount of glazers.
Sinister is supposed to be a Cyclops villain but he's used all across the X-books.

>>149796332
It's impossible to turn her into a bear.

>>149793116
Lets not forget that krakoa era made damn near every mutant a clone which never counts as the same person when it happens to other people. For example we have fucking second gwen stacy clone running around now.

Speaking of Cyclops.
Condom or not?

>>149790605 (OP)
>Why isn’t Psylocke/Kwannon a bigger character in Marvel?
Because Psylocke/Kwannon is a moping boring miserable cunt.

>>149790953
>>149796478
Psylocke had major appearances in X-Men when the initial contracts with Capcom were drawn up, which explains her appearance in Children of the Atom. After that it's cheaper for Capcom to reuse assets and add her to later games.

>>149801355
Several of them do.

>>149801571
not

>>149801999
Betsy we know it’s you behind the screen come on

>>149801571
Condom. Also no condom but is still somehow surprised at a positive test result.

>>149796693
Oh yeah, and try explaining that one to a normal person

>>149803086
“oh she used to be bodyswapped with a Japanese assassin but they’re back to normal now, and the assassin is the new Psylocke now”

Is Psylocke a telepath or just telekinetic?

>>149803086
>she got Freaky Friday'd with a ninja babe then got switched back to her original body
One consistent issue I've had with comic fans is that they're largely incapable of concisely summarizing or omitting extraneous details.

>>149803343
More like Freaky Decades, how long where they switched? since the 90s?

>>149803451
Irrelevant to the basic summary of what happened. Also about 20 years real time, 3-5 years in-universe.

>>149803343
The problem with this is that it’s the Kwannon body they care about.

>>149794379
Man I hope this is an edit, if not that's really upsetting.

Did Betsy in Kwannon's body still speak with a British accent? Also was she the character who spent the longest time in an altered state like this? Like, she has spent more of her appearances in comics in a Japanese woman's body than her own, right?

>>149803584
No, I'm afraid it's real. And what Tony says is true.
Ghost Rider doesn't ride ghosts.

>>149790605 (OP)
They really should have "merged" Betsy and Kwannon's identities. Made a single character with the memories of both, and instead of it being "a white woman in the body of a Japanese woman" they could've gone with "what's it like to have a Composite Mind? What's it like to remember two different and distinct childhoods, and have both be real?"
Hell, it would've had for more interesting interactions with the NPCs. Have a person walk up to her and say something about her being a white woman in a Japanese person's body and have her tell them to go get fucked in Japanese.
As it is we're left with two damaged characters, neither of them as popular as classic Psylocke.

>>149790605 (OP)
Betsy is popular and Revanche is a shit character/retcon that walks that no one gives a shit about.

>>149803266
she’s primarily a telepath, but has expressed slight telekinetic ability before

>>149803877
>>149803043

>>149803343
yeah it’s always “oh dude this is so complicated I can’t even begin” and it ends up being the most tame comic booky shit just filled with irrelevant details. comic fans really underestimate an average person’s intelligence and overestimate their own for being able to comprehend the supposed “complicated” lore

>>149803575
The problem is the X-office being retarded. You have Kwannon in the sexy ninja outfit and you have Betsy in the sexy knight outfit. Two hot babes. You put them in a team book where they go on sexy, globetrotting adventures where they spend a surprising amount of time hanging out in skimpy outfits and being really physical in their interactions.

>>149803266
>>149804051
Both Betsy and Kwannon are both telepathic and telekinetic
Like every other psychic these days

>>149803584
Damn, you're easily upset.

>>149803266
She's a telepath who can concentrate the focused totality of her telepathic powers into blades.

Which ones the autistic one that only says yokai this or yokai that

>>149804259
Sai from Marvel Rivals

>>149804146
X-Office doesn’t nearly do anything with either woman nowadays. Kwannon had a cute thing going with Greycrow but I can’t remember the last time I saw him, nor can I remember the last time they showed us the “multiversal adventures” that Betsy and Rachel were supposed spending a long time on

>>149804346
Betsy and Rachel were in the last volume of X-Force until it got canceled. Betsy even used her Captain Britain powers to beat the big bad

Kwannon has been a mainstay of the current adjective less X-Men book. And she has her own solo book going on right now where Greycrow is a major supporting character

>>149804128
Actual complicated lore, like pre-Crisis Black Canary, is few and far between, what most think complicated is just a sequence of contrivances. Personally I think it's a certain egotism that comics are a grand undertaking that must be shielded from the masses that drives people to both present comics as esoteric and byzantine in nature while demanding writers make them impenetrably self-referential to "reward" long-term readers.

>>149801571
No condom, Logan rides him raw.

>>149804377
>Actual complicated lore, like pre-Crisis Black Canary, is few and far between, what most think complicated is just a sequence of contrivances.
Even that's not too complicated. Golden Age Black Canary became Earth Two Black Canary and then she crossed over into the main universe to become Earth One's Black Canary. Over a decade later, when the Earth Two heroes had aged on account of WW2 being part of their history, they retconned her into being the daughter of the original Canary who thought she was the original to explain why she didn't age up with them.

>>149804374
I completely forgot about her solo, thanks for that. I kept thinking about her in Cyclops team and how From the Ashes has been a whole deal of nothing

>>149804294
I like that one

>>149804529
>the daughter of the original Canary who thought she was the original
No, she's the original Black Canary inhabiting the body of her superhuman daughter who grew up in suspended animation.

>>149804541
It's been a lot of nothing for most characters

>>149804574
You're overthinking it. Her mother gave her her memories (minus the memory of having a kid) and then died. Once she learns this, from that point on she thinks of herself as the daughter and everyone treats her that way as well.

>>149803771
great job making it even worse

>>149792545
Venom belongs to Scarlet Witch

>>149796507
She was cute, though I'll admit even had she joined the X-Men as was I doubt she would have made it to the Capcom games and wider appeal as she was.

>>149804739
That's it, that tears it, it's official, I hate comics.

>>149805907
That's even more random and retarded. The sooner Rivals dies and gamers move on to the next big thing the better.

>>149805907
Sorry, even the devs agree that Venom is for Psylocke

>>149805907
>>149805997
>>149806012
We really need to do a better job gatekeeping. Some idiot's going to think he's "listening to the Gamers" and Squirrel Girl's going to get turned into a landwhale.

>>149790953
>"That's what I do"
In light of later revelations about Emma, it seems more likely she just uses telepathy to make people think she does, but has never actually groomed herself at all.

>>149802029
>Psylocke had major appearances in X-Men when the initial contracts with Capcom were drawn up, which explains her appearance in Children of the Atom.
That's debatable, she hadn't been in the cartoon yet by then, and the game was very cartoon-influenced, even using a lot of the same voice actors. Psylocke was part of the cast of the Blue Team book, which was the more popular of the two squads, but Rogue was more popular than her.

>>149806051
>and Squirrel Girl's going to get turned into a landwhale.
Oh no like that hasn't happened before

>>149806051
>gatekeeping Marvel
You're about two decades too late for that one, buddy. The moment the MCU got big with the normals, it was over.

>>149806051
>We really need to do a better job gatekeeping.
We really NEEDED to do a better job gatekeeping like 10 or even 20 years ago. It's too late now.

>>149806077
That was a shit artist failing at making her look like Samantha Wright. Seriously, we got explicitly told that was the person that Squirrel Girl was meant to look like. Some people just manage to make "short stocky but pretty weightlifter" look "fat."
That's a very different thing from Marvel officially decreeing a character is "plus size" because you know damn well how well that'd turn out.

>>149805997
Don't worry. They're already leaving the game in droves over the poor balance and rigged matchmaking. The next season being the CCP mandated China arc (Kun-Lun) will be the final nail in the coffin.

>>149806162
>Shilling for China will push people out, right
Oh how I wish that was likely. Having the unlikable Swordsman take Danny's place doesn't keep people from playing Iron Fist.

>>149806227
>people from playing Iron Fist
You mean the Asian self inserters wishing the devs would pair him with Luna or Magik? They're the only ones playing Iron Fist because he sucks in the game.

>>149805997
>>149806012
>>149806051
It kills me that I've got game-playing coworkers more interested in learning about the characters than the people making the games are.

>>149806162
At least it's not the Korean-mandated arc. I refuse to pretend that whatsherface Snow is a real character. That's a KPOP singer that wandered into the game.

>>149806012
Prime example of definitely knowing that marval rivals doesn’t do shit for comic book sales

>>149806012
The description literally mentions how the charm is because Sai fights Orochi im her comic, it’s not any sort of vindication for you faggots

>>149790605 (OP)
Why do i want to FUCK that sexy ass and cum on that muscled back?

>>149806679
Kwannon fought a snake????

>>149806753
Sai did, it’s a yokai called Orochi and when in shadow its eyes look like Venom’s eyes because snake venom, that’s all there is to it

>>149806679
>>149806781
Doesn't explain why the accessory is positioned differently on Vengeance

>>149806997
Herbie plush is on Sue’s hips too, now you’ll tell me she makes love to that toaster every day or something
it’s just a cheap gimmick to get people to spend money on something because haha the devs added a porn joke amirite

>>149807292
So you admit it IS in acknowledgement of all the Psy x Venom porn.

>>149807345
it could be acknowledgement, we can’t say for sure. what I don’t agree is that it’s now somehow canon that Vemom X Psylocke is a real ship or whatever, it’s just a cheeky joke to make extra bucks off of porn, but it doesn’t really mean it’s legit, just like how Blade giving Jeff a high top fade is just a joke to make extra bucks off of memes

>>149807414
Yeah, it's not as explicit as the other things the devs have been doing because of the fans, like making Loki and Mantis canon.

>>149803266
She's both as is Kwannon. Betsy got her telekinetic powers activated when she and Jean had their powers messed with by Mojo in a lost take after the Twelve/Powerless saga.

>>149807501
and I don’t think they will either. Loki and Mantis is a cute ship with regular fanart, Venom and Psylocke is all just porn and I don’t think Peach Momoko (creator of Sai who also works with Netease on the game) would like that

>>149792425
she’s B-tier at worst, D-tier is too low and applies to ones like Trinary or that gay one I forgot the name of

>>149804374
>Betsy even used her Captain Britain powers to beat the big bad

what are “Captain Britain powers” anyway

Isn't she white again now?

>>149808810
Flight and super strength.

>>149808888
so she beat the bad guy using super strength? wow that's a new one, I'm sure she couldn't have used her existing mutant powers for that

>>149808810
>>149808888
>>149809017
She has super strength, durability and flight
Some mystical resistance to other magic
A connection to Otherworld that allows her to teleport there, and she was able to use that to teleport the team to the Nexus of All Realities in the Florida Everglades

And unlike other Captain Britains she isn't empowered by the Amulet of Right or the Sword of Might, she created her own Starlight Sword out of the Starlight Citadel
It allowed her to fight the alchemy using bad guy because the Starlight Citadel's magic overwhelmed it

man what is Captain Britain shit even about

>>149809091
I wanna say there's some sort of Arthurian power/legacy involved?

>>149809091
Originally? Just a British flavour of Spider-Man with not much going for it
Got revamped into a bit of Arthurian stuff plus Marvel's first attempt at a proper multiverse with the Captain Britain Corp. Became tied to the X-Men because of Excalibur which initially started off as just more Captain Britain starring some X-Men before just becoming an X-Men book set in the UK.
Betsy as Captain Britain is about nothing and it sucks

>>149809091
Mystical protector of Britain and Otherworld, and the multiverse

>>149806997
It's on her ass in the swimsuit skin too.

>>149807663
Peach Momoko loves Knull and did a Psylock/Venom story in the Rivals comics.

>>149791606
Psylocke was a thing in the comics for about 15 years before ATHF debuted.

>>149809428
he's asking if Frylock's name was inspired by Psylocke, not the other way around
the answer is probably not since Frylock is just Fries + Warlock

>>149790785
>>149794715
what's her name?

>>149809250
>Betsy as Captain Britain is about nothing and it sucks
I really wish they could undo her being Captain Britain purely because I don't think they have any ideas for that route and I'd rather see it abandoned and have Betsy show up prominently as a different hero moniker

>>149806258
>Snow is a real character
She isn't. She is an oc donut steel made for a gook mobile game.

>>149810597
Or just retire her. They don't seem to have any ideas what to do with her.

>>149810921
you know damn well that's not gonna happen, Marvel and DC are allergic to actually permanently retiring anyone because sooner or later they'll be back

>>149811030
Yeah, but its kinda ridiculous to have them around just because. Actually retiring them would be great.
Hell, I'll take Spider-man and Cyclops gettinf retired before they get slammed by the next hot shot dickwad writer.

>>149809057
>>149809103
Should just kill off Betsy instead.

Terrible backstory and dumb name but I don't think you really care

>>149810597
It's one of those things where "Betsy" is still big-ish because of her ninja Psylocke days, but that name's taken by Kwannon now so they need another name for her. And no one actually cares about Captain Britain enough to be annoyed by this or to want to fix Brian. They even had the gall to let Tini Howard rebuild the entire Captain Britain Corp as a multiverse of Betsies

>>149793116
Dan Slott killed actual Peter Parker with his Superior shit, well to be honest he probably died earlier due to OMD

>>149811298
yeah I think the execution is what sucked most about Betsy becoming Captain Britain, it’s mediocre at best, awful if you’re already a fan. I think making her Captain Britain is the least of the problems since she’s already been that for brief periods once or twice, and it’s literally her twin brother after all. I don’t think the name Betsy carries as much weight as the name Psylocke itself, and at this point people either think she’s either half-Japanese half-British Betsy or that she’s always been a Japanese assassin called Psylocke with no real name. it sucks how everything came to be, but it would still be a thousand times worse if they hadn’t eventually reversed the body swap and given Kwannon her identity back. And that weight to her name is why they won’t kill her off or retire her either, at least not for long

>>149790605 (OP)
I'm so pissed she wasted a slot in marvel superheroes. How the hell does she represent Marvel when you already have 3 other x-men rep? At least include someone notable like cyclops if you had to recycle characters. And then they had the gal to include sabertooth in the next game but not psylocke when her most notable trait is jobbing to sabretooth
>>149796478
TRUTH

>>149811379
>but it would still be a thousand times worse if they hadn’t eventually reversed the body swap and given Kwannon her identity back.
Kwannon didn't exist as a character until three years AFTER Psylocke getting turned into a ninja, she was created as a writer's attempt to explain something which he wasn't aware already had an explanation. She existed for about a year, and was more of a plot device than a character, she didn't have an "identity" she needed to get back, she was just dead and nobody cared.

There's been this weird attempt to rewrite history and pretend Kwannon was an existing character prior to ninja Psylocke and had fans and everything, just to try and add more weight to the spergouts about Betsy not really being Asian. We've had Kwannon as Psylocke and Betsy as Captain Britain for years now, and it's time people accepted it's not really working. Nobody cares about Betsy like this, and there's a character nobody cares about coasting on having the appearance of the Psylocke people remember.

>>149811535
She was the only heroine in the game, so replacing her with another heroine from elsewhere in Marvel would have been a better option than replacing her with another male X-Men character.

>>149811541
>Kwannon didn't exist as a character until three years AFTER Psylocke getting turned into a ninja, she was created as a writer's attempt to explain something which he wasn't aware already had an explanation.
Wild.

>>149811555
Yeah, in 1989 Chris Claremont just had Betsy get captured by Mojo and Spiral who changed her body into an Asian ninja girl body for villain reasons (and also Claremont's own recurring theme and possible fetish of characters getting forcibly race-swapped).

Fabian Nicieza was a later X-Men writer who'd missed the issue where this was explained, and wrote a whole story about Betsy getting forcibly body-swapped with a Japanese ninja named Kwannon to explain something that already had an explanation. Editorial didn't remember, but readers did, and he had to write a follow up story a year later to try and reconcile the two different origins, and Kwannon died of the Legacy Virus, which was the mutant version of AIDS but transmitted via character irrelevancy rather than through buttsex.

>>149811575
Shoulda just undone the surgery and keep the ninja leotard. Problem solved.

>>149811541
>Nobody cares about Betsy like this, and there's a character nobody cares about coasting on having the appearance of the Psylocke people remember
I really think people in this thread are overestimating the popularity of Betsy or her identity as being anything outside of Psylocke except for the most dedicated fans. yes Kwannon was only Nicieza's creation out of confusion about having no context on Claremont's original face-swap storyline, but after all said and done the concept of a British woman who's mindswapped into this hot Japanese assassin with a banging body was never going to fly for long. even in the 90s it was under scrutiny, and it only didn't pick up any more is because like I said, not enough people give two shits about Psylocke's real identity or whatever. so it makes sense that they undid the swap when her popularity was low compared to the 90s so they avoid further complications. I like Kwannon and I think she's been an interesting turnout so far, and while it sucks that it came at the cost of Betsy being sidelined I hardly think that's the fault of Kwannon or the mindswap being reversed. in contemporary adaptations and versions moving forward I'd just prefer if Betsy was half-Japanese and drop the mindswap altogether, but in 616 we can't have that after all.

>>149811379
I think the biggest issues were that Betsy became an annoying cunt who would bitch to Brian about Captain Britain being a burden while also refusing to give it back, and also the whole reforming the Corp in her image thing. It's such a huge mess that no one currently working at Marvel would give enough of a shit to fix

>>149811625
>in contemporary adaptations and versions moving forward I'd just prefer if Betsy was half-Japanese and drop the mindswap altogether, but in 616 we can't have that after all.
Heh, I could see them adapt Saï from Demon Days unto 616. And when I say "adapt", I am implying a ""a brand new"" character ""inspired"" by Peach Momoko's Demon Days, which means she won't get any royalties for the character.

>>149790605 (OP)
Boring personality only popular because she's design like a japanese hentai so symbol. Shes got nothing but mvc memes

>>149811733
I doubt it considering Sai is from medieval fantasy Japan and they reeaaaalllyyyy need X-Men to succeed, meaning no convoluted backstories right away. I can see them making Betsy half-Asian or just have her be Kwannon from the onset

>>149811535
Capcom really liked her and a bunch of 90s X-Men, and I assume her inclusion is because A) Japanese ninja characters being a staple of fighters and B) favoritism and/or wanting sleeper picks like Blackheart there

>>149811996
blackheart is more popular than betsy lol, she only got popular because of mvc

>>149790630
This

>>149812019
this is insane cope

>>149796569
betsy has literally always been written as bisexual from the start

>>149796706
>don't like how she used swords. Like yeah, she is a ninja, but she is also a X-woman. She is not supposed to kill.
You do realise the most popular Xmen has knives for hands right?

>>149812303
I just finished reading the original Captain Britain comics and she wasn’t written to be much of anything

>>149812303
I feel like Betsy, Felicia, and Kitty should be three of the most obvious bisexual women in Marvel yet people are always surprised and act quite retarded about the whole thing. maybe throw Carol/Jessica too I don't know, or maybe they're just really close friends and nothing more

Marvel writing an official Carol x Jessica relationship would immediately tank that pairing and ruin it forever, I prefer what we have now

>>149813349
Just send them to outer space.

>>149813422
and do what? I don't want another Betsy and Rachel again

>>149813578
Lesbian Space Opera!

What's Psylock's deal? I don't know anything about her.

>>149813887
Betsy is the younger sister of Captain Britain.
She's at best the 3rd most popular telepath in the X-men.
Early on she got freaky friday body swapped with a sexy asian ninja and has spent most of her x-men career trapped in an japanese woman body.
Her back story is so weird people ignore it for the most part and she mostly gets relegated to edgy team books or used when no other telepath is available which was rare because there's so many telepaths.
That's all you need to know.

>>149812019
lmao what are you on about, nobody gave two shits about Blackheart until MvC or the Ghost Rider film

>>149790953
>Was she put in capcom games because she was popular or did she become popular because she was in Capcom games.

Capcom pay for caracter, that's why there is a bunch of "whos?" like Blackheart and SHuma-Gorath, also why they chance Iron-man to War Machine.

The cheap caracters balance with the big names.

Also Marvel never breaks the Fantastic Four, if you want on in a game you should get the full pack.

>>149815110
> why they chance Iron-man to War Machine.
Wasn't that because Acclaim had Iron Man for its crossover with XO?

like with anything there's usually more than one reason or driving force, but like I mentioned earlier here >>149811996 her being a ninja assassin probably had a lot to do with it, since characters like that are a staple in fighters, like Mai Shiranui for example

>>149790605 (OP)
because she didn't come back after X-Men Apocalypse and wasn't a part of the TAS cast, next question

>>149811575
to be honest it’s easy to look back and spot the confusion easily but back then communication between writers wasn’t always a normal deal and Claremont especially loved keeping things close to
his chest or sometimes be a little dramatic about things. I think for some reason he couldn’t meet with Nicieza to let him know about the Japanese face being temporary, so Nicieza had to make up something before people started questioning why Byrne (I think) continued drawing Betsy as an Asian

>>149816605
This is also before email, Slack, and cheap long-distance. Meaning if you didn't know another writer personally you'd need to send a memo up the editorial chain to get in contact with them.

>>149804739
Is this supposed to be a non-confusing explanation?

>>149817671
Don't forget, the kid had been in suspended animation since shortly after birth and spent her entire life unconscious. At no point would she ever have memories of her own meaning that no matter how you slice it you've got the mom stealing her daughter's body.