Thread 149834219

I miss outsourcing to Japan unironically.

Certainty better then this

You better be careful making this thread on this board

>>149834219 (OP)
>>149834900
I hope you are not seriously claiming the japanese designer changed Cleo's looks without approval of the french creators (who were the ones sending money). It was mutual agreement to go with the redesign.

Also, TV cartoons will never be a thing again in a lof of western countries, it's all streaming and indies now.

>>149835154
Fool. he's claiming that the french messed up.

>>149835048
Just be aware of the 0ni0 sauce milk smelling motherfuckers

>>149834219 (OP)
Pic related, there's literally guides on OP to not emphasize the booty or Booba because US censorship

>>149834219 (OP)
Japan stopped animating overseas ever since they began focusing on their own domestic animation market, shit ain’t happening again and no amount of a certain /co/ schizo TMShitting could change that

>>149835190
Oh yes, they definitely did (though the original art is not TOO far from the final redesign). But OP's statement was very broad, referring to ALL of the outsourcings, and pining for the practice's return.

>>149834219 (OP)
This threads just come and go......

>>149834219 (OP)
Is there anywhere you can get the TMS background paintings from Tiny Toon Adventures?

>>149835218
he's talking about famicom

>>149837047
ebay?
or wherever this guy gets his shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLn8oOubsQI

>>149834219 (OP)
...say, how can we convince westaboos to make shows for us?

>>149834900
Sovl and toon appeal.

>>149834219 (OP)
Furnigger slop.

Not gonna lie, I think if you showed Transformers, or GI Joe, or My Little Pony to someone today they would think it's the most jank and error filled shit ever.

>>149835699
Jason Demarco and Crunchyroll will like to have a word with you.

Also DC DTV movies are still done by The Answer Studio.
>>149837047
Likely sold off to Ruth Clampett back in the 90s to make Farewell to Nostradamus.
Ditto for Animaniacs.

>>149835726
Western designs came from the US as Dic by that point moved their HQ to Los Angeles from Paris, likely from John K.

>>149838011
Oh no, here we go

>>149838815
I TOLD YOU BUT YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE ME
WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME

>>149834219 (OP)
>The 1982 animators' strike was a labor strike conducted by American animators in the Greater Los Angeles area. The strike, organized by the Motion Picture Screen Cartoonists Local 839, was caused by disagreements between the labor union and studios over runaway productions, a term referring to outsourcing production work to outside of the metropolitan area. The strike ran from August to October and ended in failure for the union, who failed to win concessions from the studios.

This is the reason why so many cartoons in the 1980s were outsourced to Japan and why American animation is in the current state it's in.
Not many people talk about it and I wonder if anyone even knows

>>149838940
Are you FamiCUM?

>>149838970
Sorry no, i'm not into Hamtaro or whatever that much
I just think the continuing history of American animation and its dependency on outsourcing is interesting and very tragic
It universally did not benefit the creatives in the industry and the people in the industry seem to not know how to combat it

I feel like we need another Duck Factory
https://youtu.be/au6R-KLqduQ?si=01dv2Gv5P58uNskg&t=332

>>149835251
oh cool dub-
MOOG MODULAR!?

>>149838815
>I don't know about those extra FLCL seasons.
>I don't know about Tower of God
>I don't know about God of High School
>I don't know about Shenmue: The Animation.
>I don't know about Solo Leveling
>I don't know about those anime Rick and Morty shorts that later spawned into Rick and Morty: The Anime
>I don't know about Cosmo Samurai
>I don't know about So I'm A Slime, So What?

bump

>>149839242
duck factory how so

Why is that cat so sexy?

>>149843496
Found one genga

>>149834900
>>149834219 (OP)
It's a miracle we even got shitty photos of the japanese setteis that I did cleanup best as I could

meow

ImNAF,B...

>>149837257
Just like back then, the average japanese animator can't do it by himself, you need a big name director and those are usually busy with their own anime.

>>149843531
>>149843496
Conceptualized, written, voiced and animated that way.

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>>149846744
>I
>not we

>>149846343
Sanseito will change that.

>>149846306
?

>>149834900
I mean those are cute too, I dont see too much of a difference

>>149851204
I am the 1 other anon ITT who basically holds the same position. Some of the original drawings are almost as good as the redesigns, it's not all meh vs. great.

>>149851315
John K made those.

>>149851401
The fuck are you on about? >>149834900 is literally signed
>Brian Ray
in the top right corner.

>>149851542
John K worked on Heathcliff.

>>149851723
That name is CURSED

>>149851723
As an assistant, as you can see. He didn't draw those pictures.

>>149851723
>>149851968
Yeah. Funny that. He mostly did Layout and Character Design, never really animated. Mostly Hanna-Barbera. I think Mighty Mouse under Ralph Bakshi is where he changed for the worse. Of course HB's inane "budget" style animation probably started that "lazy to insane" pipeline.

>>149852024
Who cares really?

>>149853013
Anon cares, he really cares. He wanted it to be John K.

They can still do that. It's probably not as hard as people think.
They probably don't see the point so much anymore especially when there's Korea too.

>>149853225
>Korea

Enjoy your shitty Mocknime styles with ugly Californian aesthetics and direction.

>>149853365
Lol

>>149853365
Haha

>>149851723
He didn't learn much apparently

>>149854360
Toshiyuki Hiruma, Toshihiko Masuda and Kazuhide Tomonaga were the one doing the heavy lifting for Heathcliff.

>>149853365
Bro thinks Japan has the awesome power in 2025 to say "NO!" to ugly californian aesthetics and direction, and just do whatever they want, after tossing western piggu scripts out the window.

>>149851723
Yes.

A reason why the Japanese are so good at art is because their attitude “death before dishonor” constitutes a core aesthetic value, and their greatest artists think that creating mediocre art is worse than death. Without a shred of integrity, a person cannot even become aA reason why the Japanese are so good at art is because they’re attitude “death before dishonor “constitutes a core aesthetic value, and their greatest artists think that creating mediocre art is worse than death. Without a shred of integrity, a person cannot even become a clown in a circus.

The above statement is a copypaste btw.

Se with that sweet pussy.

>>149834219 (OP)
Sovl and sex appeal.
>>149834900
Dilating tranny slop.

>>149855566
Than why is the writing and animation in so much anime mediocre?

>>149835251
whats really wild is the stop motion animator who created the japanese studio was like a mega commie

>>149858212
And the US never bother stopping the Japanese Communist Party back in the 1950s during the height of the cold war.

>>149857730
Because most of everything is shit, yet the highs of anime especially in terms of writing and direction are way above the highs of western animation.

>>149860055
Only because AMERICANS like Tom Ruegger and Tad Stones were the ones in charge of those shows, Japan on their own isn't ANYWHERE near as good.

Nothing Japan made is on the same level as Red Hot Riding Hood and The Great Piggy Bank Robbery.

>>149861241
Thank you for some other words that I can add to my filters. I will never engage with you again famicom lol.

>>149861317
Thats the god's honest truth to be frank, and that wasn't a Famicom post as the grammar doesn't match.

However you on the other hand do type just like Famicom.

>>149861241
Hamtaro mogs both of those.

>>149861354
As cool as Laura Haruna and Kana Iwata are, their potential was wasted on hamsters.

Red Hot Riding Hood and The Great Piggy Bank Robbery still remain king.

>>149861400
Nope. The west doesn't have an answer to Hamtaro, sorry. All western animated movies are furry shit or political shit. Hamtaro remains the king.

>>149861425
Not true, you just never watched Red Hot Riding Hood and The Great Piggy Bank Robbery, and Hamtaro is about hamsters which by your logic counts as "furry".

>>149861464
>Red Hot Riding Hood and The Great Piggy Bank Robbery
I said that I don't like furry shit or political shit you illiterate retard.

>>149834219 (OP)
You missed out a lot of thing, my dogger man.

>>149837374
>Furnigger slop
99% of non-kid media is already based on humans you can fuck off over there.
Or are you just another Insomniac Studio tranny looking to shill your anti-animal agenda?

>>149835251
The fuck did I just watch?

>>149862426
>Insomniac Studio
How is this relevant here? They make videogames, not cartoons.

>>149862460
Shills have no jurisdiction

It seems like certain topics are magnets for schizos.

>>149835048
Does anyone else see a huge head with a mustache?

>>149862848
Just you.

>>149837374
furries tend to prefer >>149834900

>>149863146
You know, it is a huge character flaw to talk on behalf of a fuckload of people, like you're some sort of elected representative. I see it done all the time on imageboards, but that's due to a large number of mentally ill people (cannot have a chan without them).

>>149834219 (OP)
Same

>>149834219 (OP)
>I miss outsourcing to Japan unironically.
Do you really?

>>149865713
Yes.

>>149835251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc-11bcrEzE

>>149851723
Good!

>>149851723
That explains why this show was ahead of it's time for kids media. Making toons that causes busy body moms crash out. John K was the best thing that happened to animation.

^ anon is braindead at this point

I'm not a furry...

Reboot when?

>>149873162
Never, fuck you.

>>149834219 (OP)
Kinda funny to think that now it's Japanese companies scouring Twitter for overseas talent to animate their shows.

>>149873812
Honestly, Japan's #1 problem animation-wise is they crank out too many shows. And most of them are trash.

>>149873812
Been the case since 1960 with Arthur Rankin Jr. and Jules Bass.

The most famous foreign animator/designer Japan had was Dan Haskett while Tom Ruegger was Japan's most famous foreign show runner.

>>149874012
>Tom Ruegger
And which shows he didn't create he "ran"?

>>149870514
Yes you are, senpai.

>>149873993
Most of everything is trash and yet they still produce more good shows than their western counterparts.

>>149875468
Not since the 1990s and that was because Americans like Tom Ruegger and Tad Stones were in charge.

>>149875468
RIGHT NOW, yes. But generally in the writing department.

>>149875538
>RIGHT NOW, yes.
Not just right now, they've been producing more good shows than the west since the 70s. Before the 70s the west ruled.
>But generally in the writing department.
What are currently airing cartoons that have animation on par with City?

>>149875687
To answer the second one, almost everything from Baka Gaijin is 3D, so..... how do you compare? But as long as you have even average budget, western 3D always moves well. The characters emote well and are expressive.

>>149875538
No, that was back in the 1980s ands 1990s, now of days they're 20 times worse then we are.
>>149875687
Heidi and Anne were not the norm back in the 1970s, most 70s cartoons suck ass as was shown here.

What are currently airing cartoons that have animation on par with City?
King of The Hill Season 14.
Also Modern SpongeBob.
and both those shows put City to shame.

>>149875730
>To answer the second one, almost everything from Baka Gaijin is 3D
What's that? Also comparing 2d and 3d is pretty hard indeed. I would say that 2d at a base level needs more work than 3d but I am not sure. Also is that an indie cartoon? I thought we were discussing about non-indie stuff.
>another famicom image to filter
It's so easy, also kek, imagine praising the koth reboot when everyone is shitting on its soulless animation.

>>149875809
King of The Hill Season 14 was ok, yes the rigged animation shouldn't be there but because Snipple is doing the animation it put's City's animation to shame.

It shows how much Snipple improved since Wabbit, they went from as stiff and stilted as Rough Draft to giving KyoAni a run from it's money (doesn't help that most of their talent either died from that fire, migrated to live action or went to either Science Saru or Bones for better pay).

It's just that Snipple had to fuck up horrendously on Green Eggs and Ham: The Animated Series (the show that made Akom's off model shit on Transformers G1 and 1980s G.I. Joe look good) and Animaniacs'2020 to get them to straighten them out while Tonic DNA only stood stagnant.

>>149875809
Another anon taught me to be critical when watching any animation, from anywhere. Basically an average 2D japanese cartoon struggles to have character animation outside of action scenes. Just talking, emoting with your arms, showing your personality through the way you act and do small things THAT'S NOT FIGHT SCENES. Here's an example of something recent (2023) from the frogs, with exceptional good character animation despite the average TV budget.

And yet, despite the sheer volume of trash there are still more well written shows made in Glorious Nippon per year, then in N America and Europe.

>>149875937
>And yet, despite the sheer volume of trash there are still more well written shows made in Glorious Nippon per year, then in N America and Europe.
Thats because those scripts were made by Tom Ruegger, Sherri Stoner and Paul Rugg, on their own they're 20 times worse then what you find outside of N/S America and Europe.

>>149875937
>Basically an average 2D japanese cartoon struggles to have character animation outside of action scenes.
I was not talking about the average. City has interesting and complex scenes and plenty of kodomo anime have good character animation. Also do you have examples from this year?

>>149875979
See picture.

Also you're thinking of PSG season 2 that has interesting and complex scenes while kodomo anime only has good character animation in their feature tie ins,

>>149875959
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO KILL YOURSELF ALREADY YOU FLESH BOT

>>149876028
Don't give famicom any attention. Just completely ignore him like I do.

>>149875979
City is exceptional, really good. Sadly, I don't have any more examples to compare, the 1 current anime I'm watching and loving is Dandadan, and that's cream of the crop. Dragonball Daima is more of an example of typical, animation outside of fights is mostly stiff and dead.

>>149876037
No, he is the only one here that knows what he is talking about.tnjr8

>>149876050
>Dragonball Daima is more of an example of typical, animation outside of fights is mostly stiff and dead.
Yeah. Toei hasn't properly invested money in non-precure stuff in a while(Precure has pretty good character animation in some of the series).

>>149876050
No, it's not, stop fucking lying Famicom.
None of those shows have good animation.
You want good animation, go watch What's Buzzin' Buzzard?, it will save your life one day.

Also, pic related, as it has What's Buzzin' Buzzard? in the first panel.

^ the actual fuck is that broken flesh bag saying no one but him seen good animation

>>149834219 (OP)

> the people that animated Thundercats, Silverhawks and Tigersharks are likely working on the anne of green gables remake if they are still around

AAAAAAÀAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

>>149838940

The strike isnt the reason for the current state of animation.

>>149875742

The real irony is if you ask all the top old animators and directors from japan what their favorite animated shows from the west were its always some slideshow 70s hanna barbera slop you wouldve hated watching as a kid.

>>149876276
It's all back between 1928 to 1967 anyway.
>>149877043
>The people that animated Thundercats, Silverhawks and Tigersharks are likely working on the Anne of Green Gables remake if they are still around
Those people retired by Return of Jafar, the only people left from Disney Animation Japan who made the jump to The Answer Studio after The Cat Who Became King (which started at Disney Animation Japan before moving to The Answer Studio) were Motoyoshi Tokunaga himself, Hiroshi Kawamata and Kazuyoshi Takeuchi, everyone else abandoned the industry due to having ZERO interest in anime as well as the anime industry's ultra low pay.

>The real irony is if you ask all the top old animators and directors from Japan what their favorite animated shows from the west were its always some slideshow late 50s and early 60s Hanna Barbera bliss you loved watching as a kid.
That and the shows they worked on.

>>149876090
This a lot to take. Which one is the fault here?

>>149835699
>Japan stopped animating overseas ever since they began focusing on their own domestic animation market

They became unaffordable after their great economic crash. They also raised their living standards enough to raise the prices as well. Loans to start projects became scarce and they were paying employees a little more.

This was already happening before "japan changed their focus to domestic animation." You could see signs of it between 82 and 87 when more and more episodes of shows were going to Korea despite the poorer quality animation of Korea at the time.

A lot of this was offset in the 80s by toy sales. However, after the Simpsons, bearish and Buthead and the nicktoons block popularized creator driven cartoons And a few flopped toy driven cartoons, the US market drifted away from financing cartoons with toys. Pokémon would be the final nail in the coffin when they show was given to the US for close to free, hoping it would lock in game and vhs sales

>>149837541
>Not gonna lie, I think if you showed Transformers, or GI Joe, or My Little Pony to someone today they would think it's the most jank and error filled shit ever.

Are we talking adults or kids.

Either way, the grain would probably bother them if anything did. People dont pay attention to shit

>>149835251
Idgi

>>149877043
>The real irony is if you ask all the top old animators and directors from japan what their favorite animated shows from the west were its always some slideshow 70s hanna barbera slop you wouldve hated watching as a kid.
>>>149877945 #

Dont talk shit about wacky races and catch that bird

>>149881317
Thanks for reminding Japan had a boner for Wacky Races since forever. There is a Wacky Races episode of Space Dandy.

>>149881586
>>149881317
But why?

>>149882053
Why do people like things? A dumb question, really. There is an english-speaping japanese band MONORAL who got most of their recognition in Latin America. There is an english band Sad Lovers And GIants who got more fans in Greece than in home country. Why? Because things happen.

>>149881317

https://youtu.be/c_T9rklJ2sg?si=I7IuUnda1FizQH0u

>>149834219 (OP)
Should you?

>>149834900
Soul
>>149834219 (OP)
Soulless

>>149885075
>No Patrick, being Contrarian doesn't make you smart.

Unironically isn't a word

>>149886946
>she doesn't know how new words are made

>>149837541

Did you think that when you saw them as a kid.
Why do you think kids today would?

A helpful note for anons; the instant you see the words "debunked" used as an avatar here, just look away. It's not worth posting here.