Thread 149836915

Brother vs Brother.

Fertility rates are so low OP thinks having brothers is a rare occurance.

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>>149836915 (OP)
Reminder that Viltrumites LOSE to Saiyan Saga Level Fighters. No matter how badly Death Battle wants to pretend Omni Man can beat First Form Frieza.

>>149836957
invinciblebros our entire verse is chaozu fodder.....

>>149836957
FACTS!

>>149836946
KINGtos won last thread

Reminder
>Ultima shows up in the last minute or less
Hulk loses
>Ultima shows up midpoint
Hulk has a chance to win

>>149836946
CANOOOOON!

I know KVA would be better with Greektos instead of s0itos but aren't they stuck with the Strongest version of characters? And norsetos had the outerversal tree scaling. The only exception is like Ben but no one remembers adult Ben + Norsetos is more populaur unfortunatly

>>149836915 (OP)
>Viltrumites
Pathetic people.

KINGtos HURT the seething Asurakeks

>>149836957
Huh? You think the 'verse that can't lift 1,000 tons can beat a Viltrumite? Weird...

>asurajeets STILL melting down
KEKAROO

>>149836957
The worst part? Even if we only use the weakest known version of Bardock in base form.... Omniman gets wrecked, hard. Omniman's feats are CONTINENTAL, not planetary. He moved an asteroid the size of Texas. He PARTICIPATED in the destruction of a single large planet, in an extremelly specific method that required precision from everyone least they die in the process...

Meanwhile, King Vegeta is multi-planet with a wave of his hand at 10k PL, and Roshi in the 22n Budokai has a moon blasting Kamehameha, at a mere 125 PL.
Scream non canon all you like, DB used that King Vegeta feat in their video.

>>149837361
The Coalition of Planets weapons do not have the destructive capacity to harm viltrumites, which would include the Talescrian's ships, which are powerful enough to destroy a solar disc many times larger than a planet.

My hero amassed a 0-3 record fighting the same person

>>149837432
Pikachu…

>>149837333
Super Saiyan Bardock's arm exploding on contact with a serious Nolan was exteremely accurate. It takes some serious headcanon wank to get Saiyans anywhere near where Ztards think they are.

>>149837432
Gokek...

>>149836957
I'll be frank, I don't know the full feats of Omni-Man, but another group of generally respected scalers, that being the Vsbattles Wiki, has taken his feats from the series and assigned him in the TV Series as "High-Continent" level or possibly higher. In the comics, Omni-Man is ranked as a Low-Planetary character, meaning he can destroy small planets and people with Planet Level durability. We can already confirm that Bardock already has at least the ability to destroy 50 small planets at least with Super Saiyan alone, and in quite a few cases, yes, power level is linear. If we were to simply use the canonical scaling as a low-ball, Vegeta requires a 24,000 Power Level to destroy the Planet Earth. The earth is about 81X more massive than the moon, and we know the moon requires a Power Level of about 300 to destroy from past cases. 300 X 81 is 24,300. With a small error of 300PL points, we get a rough equivalent. Base Bardock already has the calcs to be able to destroy a planet nearly 3X the earth, and that's with "Canon Only" power level feats. With Super Saiyan, that Planet level ascends to 145.8, which means Bardock can destroy a planet nearly 146X the size of earth. For reference, Jupiter is the most massive planet in our solar system, being 318X more massive than earth. Bardock can destroy nearly half of Jupiter. And for everyone, this isn't just destabilization of the planet, this is complete eradication of the planet with pure energy alone. Complete brute force. If Bardock went the Namek destabilization route, he actually could destroy Jupiter, as all he'd need to do is destroy the core with enough power. /c/

>>149836957
And all of this undersells the fact that Vsbattles wiki considers the tier above Low Planetary to be someone who can destroy a planet the size of Uranus or Neptune, with Neptune being the higher form (Since Neptune is more massive than Uranus), and Neptune is known to only be 17X more massive than earth. Following PL Logic, Bardock would only need a power level of 413,100 to destroy Neptune, and not even counting a Zenkai Boost, if we assume he never left a 10,000PL when stacking Super Saiyan's 50X on top, that's still a power level of 500,000. So there's no way Bardock is losing to Omni-Man, especially when he achieves Super Saiyan.-e-

I'm sorry but Radtiz has a weakness to where if his tail is grabbed then he's gimped. But then again Raditz could hardly be touched by Piccolo and Goku. So...man, this is still a super hard fight regardless. And Radtiz can generate ki and blow up the environment readily.

>>149837464
>but another group of generally respected scalers, that being the Vsbattles Wiki

>>149836915 (OP)
Crazy how they essentially said a 23,000x difference in speed didn’t matter. They had base bardock way faster and still said it didn’t matter. By their logic, omni man would not even register with how much slower he was.

Omni-Mans only actual planetary feat is when he had help from two other viltrumites on a destabilized planet from space racer (?). Then they still almost died. After they said they had to hit it at such a specific angle or they would fail and possibly die. Sure they were ‘tired’ but that’s a weak counter argument honestly

They said omni man was star level because there’s a statement that a solar disc destroying device couldn’t beat a viltrumite. But meanwhile no one was ever hit by it, likely implying they’d just avoid it rather than tank it. Bardock even IF he was weaker, which by their numbers wasn’t much at all, he’d just improve over the course of the fight. Plus he’s over 20k x faster

>>149836915 (OP)
So despite all the disagreements, all powerscalers can at least agree the monarch of pointland is the weakest character in fiction right?

>Bydo show up
>Consumes your entire universe until not even a void remains
>Leave and do it to another one

>>149837548
Yeah they did everything they could to give Omni-man the win while ignoring Bardocks high end stuff. It’s nothing new for death battle Raven vs phoenix was the same last season. It’s just a sad foot to put forward when everyone was excited for its return. Only to drop the ball with bad scaling.

>>149837361
You posted this exact speech verbatim in the last thread and probably several other. You must be really butthurt

Mmmyup looks like Godzilla's winning

>>149837578
After Kratosura and how Ben wanted to soften Asura's defeat or how Goku's third loss genuinely came out as respectful, people are just gonna assume Death Battle has it out for the Hulk (and/or Transformers) since they went as far as to include Ultima and are deliberately hyping him up

You know your verse will get solo'd right?

>>149836937
Fpbp

>>149836957
/thread

>>149837635
She can't do much if she's deleted

>>149837528
>This debunks it for some reason
So do you disagree with the feats that Tucker did or..?

>>149837615
>Ben wanted to soften Asura's defeat
Has he ever spoiled the results of an episode right before the fight only to delete what he said afterwards? The amount of begging they basically did for a small IP was pretty pathetic.

>>149836957
I'm sure they could bullshit their way into it

Outside, Goku floated in mid-air, just above the roof, arms crossed. He wasn’t smiling.

He’d come to find Bardock—to invite him for a late-night sparring session. But now...

Now he saw the gravity between them.

He landed quietly, but Bejita’s sharp senses felt him instantly. Their eyes met across the glass wall of the chamber. Time slowed.

Goku's voice cracked the silence.
“So… it’s not just me, huh?”

Bejita didn’t answer. Bardock turned to see his son’s face—conflicted, pained, but oddly understanding.

And in that moment, the truth was undeniable.

This wasn’t just a rivalry.
Not just a reunion.
It was a storm. A triangle. A pull between stars too massive to resist.

Goku stepped forward, lips twitching into a soft smile. “Guess we’ve got a lot to figure out, huh?”

Bardock chuckled. “Saiyans never do anything easy.”

Bejita closed his eyes. “Then let’s stop pretending we don’t feel it.”

And there, in the stillness between three hearts tied by blood, fate, and battle—something new began.

>>149837660
>Know you bullshitted up a win for Kratos
>Know that Asura should have won but didnt want him too
>Pull this shit
The fucking balls on this motherfucker

>>149837650
I’m just saying, their character scaling is mostly a joke and really the only thing they’re good for is the tiering system.

>>149837635
Hey, I just watched an Undertale animation recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrS7YAYzIk0

>>149837528
and they're still better than anyone here

>>149837708
>mostly a joke
You just don't like it man, at least be honest.
They aren't perfect. They refused to acknowledge Master Roshi was moon level in classic Dragon Ball for years, despite him blowing up the damn moon.

>>149837528
Is this real? My wifi is being cunty right now so I can't check for myself

>>149837728
I get where they're coming from. Jackie Chun blowing up the Moon was a ridiculous high point to his Ki and exhausted him considerably so they had to take a break before resuming the match. Oozaruku was stronger than Roshi and the wave would've killed him, so clearly Roshi's durability doesn't scale to his own attack

>>149837728
>You just don't like it man, at least be honest.
Pretty sure that was implied by saying their character scaling is mostly a joke.

>>149836957
The fact that there exist videos correcting their calculations and analysis for every single fight they do should be telling enough.

>>149837650
i was fine with it when they just claimed it was based on having the clockwork medallion, but to claim humans are base law complex because they fought in a war that divided the universes seems crazy. I think the bigger issue is big communities vs small ones, if big three shonen, dragon ball or comic scalers tried that shit they'd be thrown into a pit.

>>149837747
Yes.

Who should old school kid Goku fight?

>>149837747
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tucker_Foley

>>149837773
Well thanks for admitting your just bias against them I guess.

>>149837564
>DB first new episode after the hiatus was a badly researched Dragon Ball match.
It was like they never left.

>>149837820
Kid Goku is a universe buster.

>>149837837
What are you trying to prove? I never said anything about being impartial.

>Hulk vs Godzilla delayed.
I'm going to edge myself by watching Hulk vs Doomsday.

>>149837333
>>149837450
Kid Goku lifted and tossed Bulma's car. Pushed large boulders. etc
tarting position: (97, 296)

ending position: (17, 296)

distance 80 px = 0.8250483329 m

It takes 44 out of 30 frames or 1.467 secs to move the boulder that distance

a = 2*1.264843/(44/30)^2 = 0.7670903922 m/s^2

259209.55525940 * 0.7670903922 = 198837.159400565 N

1333633.16180961 + 198837.159400565 = 1.53247032121017E+06 N (Class K)
Class K = The weight of the largest animal: blue whale, the heaviest of air-crafts
So you're already debunked. Have a nice day.

>>149837904
HOLY MOLEY, HE'S SPIDERMAN TIER!

>>149837925
AIIIIEEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME IZUKU MIDORIYA

>>149837635
Nobody cares about his indieslop game

>>149837925
Claim: Can't lift 1k tons
Claim debunked
Have a nice day.

>>149837837
Why the fuck would you take a website that puts Danny Phantom characters at multiversal and MFTL seriously? That's far from the only case too.

>Seething at being debunked
Wow. No wonder Death Battle fanboys are always so melty, they get debunked every other video.

>>149837904
https://youtu.be/aYMzfXqeh-s?t=172

YAWN.

>>149837925
Why can't Spiderman be muscular in the movies? He always has to be some tranny looking anorexic faggot.

>>149837966
>Guys, Mark at his absolute peak is a tiny bit stronger than Goku when he was 12

>>149837984
>deluded dragonkek squealing

>>149837984
>Early series Mark
>His peak
Retard.

>>149837615
>Goku's third loss genuinely came out as respectfu
Lol.
Lmao.

>>149838010
Post Mark lifting anything heavier

>>149838015
I...I CAN'TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

>>149837814
I have never seen that picture before. I guess there are Danny Phantom comics?

>>149837956
1-A Aunt May is real and you can't tell me otherwise

>Bardock is strong cause of something King Bejita did in a filler scene from the anime
Okay.

>>149838015
He becomes stronger than Nolan so he directly outscales the Texas sized asteroid feat. I swear, you dragonkeks are mentally retarded. That little boulder isn't even 1/20th the size of that iceberg and Mark actually lifts it over his head for a duration btw. "tiny bit" my ass lmao

>>149837966
https://imgur.com/a/pretty-black-holes-gravity-X8cjE4x
Here we see Goku enduring a black hole's gravity pull.. alongside 17 and 18

>>149838040
>Relying on chain scaling
Post Mark lifting something heavier. C'mon this should be easy. I could probably do it for you but I won't

>>149838054
Debunked, it's not a real black hole. Saiyans can't even survive in a basic vacuum so a black hole would instantly kill them.

>>149837997
https://youtube.com/shorts/Bcrz6O23K98?si=aIxPKf0QvtLW152l

https://youtu.be/_I1Gz6CBZII?si=8Hw2zesFXisgbzXc

>>149838057
Post Goku destroying a planet.

>>149838061
No, but it has the same strength.

>>149836946
ONE
PERCENT

>>149838064
>O-OH FUCK I BETTER PULL OUT SUPER SAIYAN FOR THIS SPIDERMAN TIER WEIGHT, SOMETHING SAIYAN SAGA VEGETA AND NAPPA DID NOT FUARKING HAVE...

>HAHA that hero required HELP to BUST A PLANET, how absolutely pathetic
>MY HERO doesn't need help to bust a planet, look at this pictu-FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK

>constantly becomes stronger as he trains
>this makes Death Battle frauds melty
why tho

>>149838073
https://youtu.be/bW2c3_PyW3Q?si=aVZ_DbJ7HeevEyEC

>>149838092
Kek, canon.

>>149838061
>Saiyans can't even survive in a basic vacuum
Aren't Saiyans literally in space in all of Dragon Ball Super? Or are you telling me that these "universe busters" would literally die from a trip to the moon and are consequently sub-Buzz Aldren tier?

>>149838073
Post Mark destroying one by himself

>>149837904
>>149837904
Bulma's car is also way less than a thousand tons no matter how you slice it.
Also implying this isn't piss for Mark while Kid Goku's straining and giving everything he has to push, not lift, the boulder a tiny ways lol
Also, frames? What the fuck are you talking about for that timing lmao
This is actual nonsense

>>149838037
Post Omni-Man doing this in the comics.

>>149836915 (OP)
Omni-Man got the sun disk but Bardock didn’t get this??

>>149838102
>Jelly waves that don't actually DO anything
>Hiding behind Beerus
Pathetic.

>>149838014
Ultra discussed they made a list of what NOT to do when Goku lost
They didn't want to make the same mistake as 2 where it came off as condescending

Don't make me bring out the Supreme scaling...

>>149838108
Nope. They're not. Even the Beerus fight is just the upper atmosphere.
They actually would die in space. Goku also began drowning when Freeza held shoved head underwater before he could hold his breath.

>>149838082
>He ignores the fact that he was able to float with that weight for a moment and suffered no damage from that training.

Oh retarded, flowery and hyperbolic STATEMENTS please SAVE ME! Chain-scaling I NEED you, my FEATS are PATHETIC on their own. My cosmology is CARRYING me because I’m so fucking WEAK and am unable to do ANYTHING impressive without SOMETHING saying I’m NIGGAVERSAL. DON’T YOU DARE SAY MY NAME!

>>149838140
>hiding behind Freeza

>>149838113
Class K feat at 12 years old and he only got stronger. Sorry bud.

Freezer? stomps these monkeys

>>149837615
Superman was TEACHING Goku

>World Breaker is used earlier than previous episodes
What's gonna be Hulk's final gambit?

>>149838139
Don't make me bring out the Xenoverse/Heroes scaling.

Death Battle? More like Dull Drivel!

>>149838129
>Jelly waves that don't actually DO anything
that destroyed planets
>Hiding behind Beerus
they were fighting

>>149838155
Freeza didnt punch that Into a planet

>>149837820
My dick

>>149838155
goku is a good guy, anon. why would he blow up a planet?

>>149838190
hal...

>>149838161
Damn Goku got WAY weaker with age.
You can't debunk canon statements with nonsense calcs. You're essentially arguing (fruitlessly) against author intent.

>>149836915 (OP)
How will Death Battle math their way into Mark winning?

>>149838073
I...I CAN'T OKAY?!

>>149838198
>>149838064

>>149836915 (OP)
I was going to say this shouldn't be close, but maybe it is a bit closer. Strength favors Yasha of course, but Raditz likely has the speed advantage.

>>149838195
Because he's not a good guy at all and fights for fun. He risked all universes to fight for fun and they had to retcon it so that the Zenos were planning to destroy everything anyway so Goku doesn't look like a piece of shit.

why do people care about lifting strength when the character has universal durability and the same amount of destructive capability

>>149838223
Lol, I see you're running away from this discussion.

>>149838184
You will KNEEL before your KING, Mung!

>>149837793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tVve5_VDyQ
fr

>>149838225
>saves the world/universe a bunch of times, usually losing his life in the process
let him have some fun in his later years, anon, he deserves it

>>149838231
>why do people care about lifting strength
people? more like gays. only gays care about lifting. there is a reason gymfafs are associated with homosexuality

I think Dragon Ball should lose every MU. Just because the seethe is funny.

>>149838225
False

>>149838064
>he actually can't do it in base
Lmao

>>149838242
Kratos? More like, smelly toes!

>>149838215
Death Battle said SS Bardock was 23-24k times faster than Nolan.
How'd that go again?
>>149838238
Yeah Death Battlefags often resort to being disingenuous cunts and meme posting when they get smacked around.

>>149838150
>>149838265

>>149838248
He also spared Vegeta, Piccolo and Frieza so he'd have interesting people to fight. He's not a good guy.

>I think its funny when a franchise and its characters are lied about over and over again
>Haha look at those fans trying to tell us we're wrong!
Concession accepted.

>>149838286
That's only true with Vegeta.

>>149838286
might makes right :)

>>149838303
No, they don't have connections

>>149838215
Yasha has around FTL combat and reaction speed so if Raditz is faster, he could slip through. But Yasha does have better combat prowess though so he could probably adapt better to fighting someone a bit faster than him. The thing with Yasha is his durability which would be hard to break through. He also was at his peak in his final fight with Asura but he also had his core ripped out the entire fight and some unknown amount time before that.

>>149838317
Being hyped at the start, just to be unimportant jobbers in the long run?

>>149838117
Post King Bejita blowing up planets in the manga. Post the manga saying Bardock is as strong as King Bejita.

>>149837361
K B C

Post Gokek not leaving Chichi a single mother

>>149838329
no and you didn't understand dbz, a series for children.

Gotta say /dbs/ probably scales the highest as far as sub-communities go

Frieza level door
Super Saiyan level elephants
Cell level rock
SS4 level buildings
Buu level bullets
God level hydrant

>>149836915 (OP)
So who wins this matchup between this threads two most hated and lowballed fighters

>>149838349
>Jobbing to jannies

Well?

>>149838231
>why do people care about lifting strength
Because strength matters. Somebody who can push around weights thousands of times heavier than you can will easily overpower and manhandle you in a fight. Death Battle did well showing Bardock getting gibbed when he tried to go power vs power with a Viltrumite.

They don't have universal durability. They die to a planet popping. You have fully drank the kool aid.

>>149838364
>the same post again
Mindbroken

>>149836915 (OP)
>>149833662
I have accepted that they made Nolan win, but I do not agree with their scaling, verdict, and outcome.
Bardock is near relative to King Vegeta, who can destroy three planets in a row without effort, well Nolan needed Mark and Thaedus to help him destroy planet viltrum, and all 3 needed Space-Racer's Help to destabilize the planets core or else they would die on impact to the planet. Even if Planet Viltrum is bigger in comparison to the 3 planets KV destroyed, Nolan still needed Mark's and Thaedus's help to pull it off, and all 3 needed Space-Racers help so they wouldn't die on impact, well KV just lifted his hand and destroyed 3 planets casually and the explosion of the first planet destroyed eclipsed the boundaries of all 3 planets and engulfed the other two. So that feat logically scales above Nolan's planet not only because KV did it by himself and it was 3 planets instead of one, it was a casual feat not a full power feat, and Bardock in Z is comparable and near relative to King Vegeta. Then they gave him Great Ape which he does have a degree of control over, and this increases his power by ten fold and doesn't decrease his speed at all as shown by Vegeta, and ofc they have him Super Saiyan which is a 50x multiplier stacked on top of his base.
So not only does Base Bardock already have more power than Nolan, he has two transformations which greatly increases that gap more and more. AND they have him speed, and not just a slight speed advantage, but a speed advantage of tens of thousands of time's faster than Nolan. And that Sun Disc is also way too close to the planet to realistically be as large as the sun, and given its relativity to the planet, its most likely to the size of a large moon, and its a disc, and their calc was more for a sphere like object, not a disc.
So yeah, Bardock wins easily and should have won.

>>149838385
Zeno’s attack? Would fodderize Superman, Thor, Hulk, Omni Man, and Kratos at the same time

>>149838385
You are capable of shooting a shotgun. Will you let me shoot a shotgun in your face point blank?

>>149838364
ENTER

>>149838325
Raditz has some indications (depending on when you believe Dragon Ball surpassed light speed) that he should at least be competitive with Yasha. Additionally while Asura is really strong at this point, he's still mostly terrestrial at this point, somewhere between lunar and planetary. That's also competitive with Raditz who (based on the fact same day Piccolo popped the moon/created an insanely potent illusion if you go off Kakarot) should be casually lunar.
More than that, Raditz does have his ace with the Great Ape form.
Main advantage that Yasha has is that he seemingly can breathe in space, so he has more places he can go during a fight.

>>149838385
Well, not fair
Zeno's attack is conceptual/magic like
He wants to erase something and it happens
Is not an "attack" or something that requires effort
Dunno how it works tho. Angel/Zeno powers work differntly from Ki and dragon ball magic system apparently

Here's the truth you aren't ready to hear: Z characters are more consistently strong (and actually strong) than Super characters.

King Vegeta popping three planets is completely non-canon.

Who should Master Aqua fight?

>>149838421
>GLASSCANNONku

Zeno is only 1-C btw

King Vegeta popping three planets would solo Invincible’s multiverse

>>149838459
they also used non-canon bardock tho, so

>>149838408
Canon

>>149838459
So is most of Bardock
The whole special was made by Toei so if you use him you use all the non-canon shit
We got a canon Bardock in Super Broly and Toyo manga and he was lame.

>>149838459
It's canon to the anime which is what the Bardock special is set in. Toriyama never did anything with Bardock other than Frieza remembering him.

>>149838385
Well no, Zeno destroyed the entire future timeline and its universes and associated planes of existence. So it is multiversal rather than universal x times over.

>>149838387
strength doesnt mean shit when you have magic systems like Ki. Characters can literally go from frail weak men to moon busters just by channeling their Plot Bullshit Magic and they do this all the time throughout the entire series

A lot of Godzilla’s best feats are really esoteric offscreen ones that honestly never gets demonstrated in the movies or even novels.
Ffs even Gamera of all people did a better job with novel statements because it actually backed them up.
That’s how fucking bad it is.

>>149838432
https://youtube.com/shorts/WnqrcuGDvTM?si=Wiau0Z2I-E5-amCA

Fagon keks get so upset when you point out how fodder their verse actually is and that a single viltrumite is so many thousands of times physically superior they'd rip any one of their verse's characters in half before they even knew what happened

>>149838500
You forget that he also destroyed heaven and hell.

>>149838317
>Alien Invader here to conquer planet
>superhero who protects said planet
hm

>Zeno's greatest feat is blowing up r5 becuase future trucks timeline had an extra time dimension to it.
Lol, do you know how weak this is compared to other shit?

>>149838459
THIS, however, is.

>>149838459
Yeah and how many of Superman's 'feats' were canon? Wanna play that game? We can.

>>149838534
>The connection is that one is a hero and the other is a villain.
Meh

>>149838543
Vegeta would shit himself in fear if he saw this, btw

A single ki blast can vaporize viltrusemites
A single punch can rip apart saiyews
Different balanced universes

>>149838543
Vegeta would shit his pants of laughter if he saw this pathetic excuse for a feat, btw

>>149838550
it is weird how when discussing some characters, their entire history is considered for the scaling and feats. But some franchises, usually anime, are confound to single sources because of what the internet arbitrarily considers 'canon'

You are a monster no longer...

Invincikeks get so upset when you point out how fodder their verse actually is and that a single saiyan is so many thousands of times physically superior they'd rip any one of their verse's characters in half before they even knew what happened

>>149838557
>>149838543
Arale Norimaki is stronger

>>149838567
Omni-Man canonically manhandles Superman. Bardock is nothing. Stop crying.

>>149838562
KWAB

>>149838543
Vegeta would shit his pants regardless of whether he saw this or not. Thats just what he does.

Post anon destroying a planet

Ive been down that road before

>>149836915 (OP)
>rapes Hulk

>>149838543
This anime girl is taller than Bejita with bigger muscles than Bejita so of course he'd shit himself if he saw this, that's common knowledge.

>>149838543
The only person that can defeat her is Gojo Satoru. The only one

Hulkzillabros... we got forgotten again...
Damn monkey alien species

>>149837947
>his
>blatant lie to boot

I just shat myself.

>>149838585
Post a saiyan doing this

>>149838439
>Additionally while Asura is really strong at this point, he's still mostly terrestrial at this point, somewhere between lunar and planetary.
Asura during the his final fight with Yasha was at minimum large planet level I think. At that point he hadn’t even unlocked the Mantra Reactor yet, which was why Yasha wanted to fight him, to get him to unlock it. It took full Melancholy Mantra mode for Yasha to get Asura to unlock that while Asura was mainly in base. Base Yasha should keep up pretty well with Raditz, it’s the Mantra mode boost that would probably put him ahead.
>More than that, Raditz does have his ace with the Great Ape form.
Now that I think about it, how likely is Yasha gonna find out the tail weakness? He pretty easily deduced killing Gohma Vlitra would require entering Gaea’s core rather than killing the heads outside.
>Main advantage that Yasha has is that he seemingly can breathe in space, so he has more places he can go during a fight
Yeah, it’s this that gives him way more option. He could just jump into space or ride his corvette out there and stay there to spam projectiles at Raditz.

>>149838665
What's that from?

>>149838641
It got delayed out of nowhere. Might as well discuss something else.

>Xeno Goku's greatest feat is chainscaling to timeline collapsing gobblygook and killing a guy outside space and time
Spic memes and irony really carried this along this far huh?

>>149838670
Gohan vs Mark leak

>>149838661
>>149838054
>BUT ITS NOT A RE-
Same power as one

>>149838661
https://youtu.be/8w67fxrmbsc?si=9TYygIMpCamiT5N6

>>149838665
>Mark being tired after killing the 12 Gods of destruction, Angels, Zeno, Black Frieza and Super Saiyan 100 God UI Full power Gokek

I feel like Dragon Ball just suffers a lot from stagnating in terms of feats.
We're told characters are way way stronger, but in terms of feats we're kinda frozen.
Like, fights are entirely stuck in 'throw a guy through a mountain' and 'villain threatens to blow up the planet'.

>chainscaling
Is this the new buzzword?

>>149838665
>I hope’d you’d understand why I had to do this. This galaxy is for pureblooded humans only, I can’t allow filthy alien mutts like you to go around polluting the gene pool.

Kratos could never lose.

Name a fanbase more sensitive than dragonballtrannies

>>149838707
That's how you get vsbw tucker

>>149838707
Kys Newfag

>>149837817
Tucker folley can apparently punch someone sadness out of his body

>>149838403
>no arguments from Invinciblefrauds

>>149838495
There's a difference between a story narrated to another character so visual symbolism overpowers the actual facts (like Frieza being bigger than Namek)
The Bardock special meanwhile is just presented as a view into the past with no real narrative framing and his one panel cameo also made people think it was being declared canon (specifically the Bardock stuff, not anything else)

Being able to kill somebody doesn't mean you are capable of their feats. You can hard counter their abilities, it could be a bad day or you got a very high advantage from something, they could have been nerfed by something or they you could have the common trope of "high school kid has magic sword that can kill Super-Satan multiverse destroyer"

>>149838403
Show us your math on the sun disc and debunk their equation and method, in full detail and show your work.

>>149838645
>His
Yes

>>149838718
Asurajeets

>>149838718
Kratos downplayers

>>149838762
..., that's wrong.

Dragonkeks had a good run, but...we head up these threads now.

>>149838696
>meanwhile in reality

https://youtu.be/to9CbphjqSA?si=pR35IC9QnTtI2_9E

>the seething has started
R E N T F R E E
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So I am watching/reading Clevatess, depending on how high the power level goes, I think that Alicia could end up being a really good opponent for Seras from Hellsing.
They are both people that set out to do good as humans only to die at night to a monster and be reanimated as something no longer truly human. Both still have heroic aims, but end up heavily implicated in the plans of a morally grey being without much concern for humanity.
In spite of being former humans in a world of monsters, they are forced into conflict with humans of other factions with a similarly supernatural backings.
So far Alicia hasn't demonstrated anything beyond maybe small building (more likely wall and anti-personnel) but it is still early into the story.
Main issue is that end of story Seras is a full on blood drinking vampire and the only thing that is keeping Alicia alive is the Demon Beast Blood/Ichor that Clevatess has infused her with (though Clevatess is actually conscious of and capable of manipulating even from afar). So she can be killed by either draining her dry or by destroying crucial for life body parts (like she lost her eye and it doesn't regenerate).

>>149838718
I was gonna say Sonic, but the fucks on /vg/ didn't care about Archie Sonic losing to Wally at all, so they're actually not as sensitive as I thought.

>>149838778
...on opposite day

>>149838718
Superfags

Even these two fodder viltrumites would give the entire mha verse shit

>>149837814
>. I think the bigger issue is big communities vs small ones, if big three shonen, dragon ball or comic scalers tried that shit they'd be thrown into a
Sonic has 8 times more platonic that platonic concepts erasure going by vsbw

>>149838797
That's because it's Archie Sonic, there's a layer of 'not my Sonic' that prevents seethe.

>>149838797
Only powerscaling Sonicfags care and not all Sonicfags are powerscalers. I think DBfags are inherently powerscalers so any time someone from their precious franchise loses it's like insulting their loved ones.

>>149838092
>chainscaling

>>149838792
Who?

>>149838804
Killed by an uppercut, ironically. Not a ki blast. Do people really think any dragonball character is physically hitting harder than a Viltrumite? Kek!

>>149838697
Anime writers just aren't as crazy as comic book writers
For example They would never animate a beyond meta fight that would destroy universes and suddenly the author appears etc, that is easy to do in comic books but nips prefer to do animated fights with enviorement destruction and shit
Even in manga it would be too crazy if in every DB fight the universe was at risk of being destroyed by punches, they would obviously prefer to keep things in a smaller scale for the sake of keeping things simome
You could also say they don't care about powerlevel as much as westerners, they prefer the cool factor and just accept the inconsistencies

>>149838530
Yeah that's what I meant by associated planes of existence. Other World and Realm of the Kais for each universe and (thanks to Daima) the single Demon Realm and its three layers/worlds.

>>149838804
Bardock was scaled to King Begita and doesn't haven the super saiyan amp, Thragg should be even stronger than Omniman so by DB logic there's no way King Bejita can win.

>>149838804
What a weakling

>>149838779
>He has to dox the channel owner because he has no counterargument.
Lol

>>149838819
>>149838760
>>149838765
>>149838770

>Ep delayed
Confirmed SHIT

>>149838840
There's no way Vegeta's power level was already over 10k as a kid.

>>149838805
Nah, you kinda take the cake.

Post Thragg destroying a planet.

>>149838783
https://youtu.be/a97ppiBHyJg?si=Osk1Ojq1GbvhRtqq

>>149838718
Zillatards.

Post your hero hurting a baby.

>>149838849
Ok, thanks for the reply.

How bad will the meltdown be if TOBA Hulk loses?

I love actual, physical planet busting feats!

>>149838856
In canon Vegeta was a gifted child, surpassing a lot of saiyans at birth
In the intro of Super Broly you can see some of this stuff
King Vegeta is featless in canon

>>149838897
>Can't do it by himself

Reminder the literal only character in all of Invincible that can beat this city level jobber is Atom Eve, and that's only if you assume Atom Eve acts completely different than she's portrayed in the entirety of Invincible and suddenly learns how to do more than make pink lights.

>>149838885
https://youtu.be/jL1cXn_4sII?si=D6WgrocqQJ0tmt-O

>>149837346
>Kratosjeets still melting down
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOO!

>>149838897
>B-B-BUT IT TOOK THREE OF THEM-
Planet is 14 times bigger than Earth.
>B-B-BUT THE RAY GUN
Fired a tiny little hole through the core.
>B-B-B-BUT
The dead viltrumites tanked that explosion btw.

>>149838897
>needs 3 people and for the core to already be destabilized
kek, what a WEAK BITCH TRIO

>>149838890
I will kill any lizard I find out of pure rage and call DB frauds

>>149838798
's opposite day.

is this teasing a zelda matchup?

>>149838913
This is almost a good feat. But this just prove only microwaves are that strong. Nobody else is strong enough to hurt a baby

>>149838829
depends on the writer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N2cLxr5kNk&t=902s

>>149838890
About as well as LE Kyle losing.

Dragon Ball fags wish their cuck was as psychotic and evil as Viltrumites

>>149838909
Furthermore, the planet was not vaporized like when Vegeta destroyed those three planets.

>>149838928
>Devil Artemis is still employed
Sad news.

>>149838927
On bizzaro world

>>149838928
Link vs Cloud 3

Smashing a planet apart with your fists is so much cooler than using a gay energy blast btw

>>149838919
Freezer did all that and without help.

>>149838928
Young Link vs Young Goku

>>149838829
No, I think they do care about power levels but in a different way.
Notice how comic book heroes don't tend to be hard ranker in their settings, they're just strong, pretty strong, really strong, etc.?
Meanwhile, Shonen anime has Power Levels in DBZ, Bounties and titles in OP, Ninja Rankings in Naruto, Servant stat sheets in Fate.
Nips are obsessed with trying to rank heroes in such way and you're unlikely to seen a lower rank beat a higher rank unless they were being underestimated for some reason (or they unlock a power-up in the middle of the fight). Meanwhile, every member of the Justice League has been the strongest member of the League at some point. Or like, ask a few Burger to rate the exact order of physical strength between Thor, Hulk, Thing, Colossus, Juggernaut and Rhino.

>>149838929
True

>>149838975
It's even cooler when you don't use a ray gun that does most of the work

>>149838999
>>149839001
Yep

>>149838822
Canon
>>149838888
Headcanon

>>149838910
focusing only on how much a character can destroy is tunnel vision

>>149838928
The best 3d animated death battle are not by him. Why bother

>>149838718
Kratosjeets.

Criss Angel won

>>149838919
Dont forget that they were doing this while fatigued after slaughtering a buncha hybrids ina war

>>149838928
Link Battle Royale

>>149839008
>>149838999
Stop hitting yourself

>>149838054
That's Goku. Why BarDUCK constantly HIDING behind everyone else in his franchise?

>>149839028
Twilight negs cuz I like him the best

>>149838990
But that doesn't make sense, someone of lower rank always beats the one with higher rank.

>>149838888
Canon
>>149838822
Headcanon

>>149838667
My presumption is that while Yasha is good at spotting weaknesses, the Saiyan tail weakness is a lot harder to intuit. Yasha had more than a thousand years to study Vlitra and try and understand it, that's part of the reason he felt he had to go along with Deus' plan.
Likewise, I don't know how much credit you want to give Scouters, but they can detect energy and if all of Yasha's energy is coming from his core, then it does invite targeting.
This all being said, Raditz has terrible battle instincts. He's basically a bully and even if he does get the upper hand early on, his attitude might cause him to push Yasha into his Melancholy mode.
Not just that but he's a coward and might reveal his tail weakness by being overly defensive of it. He'd probably at some point try to beg for his life and go for a killing blow on Yasha and get cut down for his efforts.

They need help from an energy laser beam to be able to destroy a planet, but enough about Saiyans

>>149838678
>gobblygook
Oh hi scifi fag, hadn't seen you in a while.

>>149838910
It’s funny how Gojo is just made to dunk on physical stats unless the character decides to destroy the planet he’s on. With Infinity, he could be put up against planetary+ and MFTL threats but they can’t do anything to him unless they BFR him by blowing up the planet he’s on and wait for him to suffocate. His Unlimited Void is just an instant K.O but any characters with higher durability than his attacks just get left standing and rotting away like a vegetable. With his hax, people can just throw him against opponents way out of his league unless they have something to cut through Infinity.

>>149839022
...the fraud competition

>>149839022
…’t ever beat Mindfreak.

>>149838975
It's even cooler when you don't use a ray gun that does most of the work

>>149838890
Questionable if TOBA/TOAA will even appear but the meltdown wouldn’t be nearly as bad if they said Hulk mid diffs even true form Ultima and Banner isn’t even needed for the equation, kek.

>>149838797
4chan sonic fags hate archie with a burning sense of passion, of course they would be happy that Archenic got raped.

Where was Kratos when Greece was getting conquered by the Ottoman Turks?

>>149839080
Zillafags hate Singular Point and Ultima though, the only reason they've latched onto it is because it's Gayshitter's only chance

>>149839062
Hello, anon how have you been.

>>149839046
Not really, Dragon Ball fights just come down which brick is brickier.
So does Invincible ironically, despite being set in a capeshit universe that makes power variety really easy.

>>149839028
Y'all gonna make me lose my cool

>>149839109
GanonYUM!

reddit stole my meme :(

>>149839109
Ganon is so lucky...

Godzilla bros
It's okay to lose to Hulk
It's okay to go 2-1
2-1 is a respectable record and you should be proud of that
You can't win every fight and that's okay
So when Hulk wins please hold your heads high
Please don't be like the Asurajeets and have a meltdown spanning the whole year
Please be... Better men

>>149839101
not always
https://youtu.be/DoLQ7hJzfXw?si=Juzx9M8Wg0lNr_hS

>Hulk
>Godzilla
Yawn

>>149839109
Her face after catching such a cutie

>>149839109
Entire Bomber SquadDAMN

Hulk bros
It's okay to lose to Godzilla
It's okay to go 3-0
3-0 is a respectable record and you should be proud of that
You can't win every fight and that's okay
So when Godzilla wins please hold your heads high
Please don't be like the Sonictards and have a meltdown spanning the whole year
Please be... Better men

>>149839128
>a boat hit me, it's time to go back to my nap.

>>149836957
Omni-Man got his chest bruised by that one speedster whom was throwing NORMAL, but VERY fast punches. Base-Goku (from the beginning of Dragon Ball Z) was getting punched THROUGH MOUNTAINS, and came out with barely a scratch. Omni-Man has bled from weaker attacks; and, Bardok was stronger than Goku was at the beginning of Dragon Ball Z. So, my question is: HOW DID SUPER SAIYAN BARDOK LOSE?
I can see why Death Battle needed to be Kick-Started to stay alive...because, they B.S. so much, and just make-up numbers as they go along.

Reminder that Frieza destroying planet Vegeta was actually anime original for years before being made canon in Super (which many still don't consider canon)
He was never shown destroying planet Vegeta in the manga, it was stated but not shown
In short, most of the wank and powerscale comes from an scene Toei decided it was cool, as always most of the wank comes from Toei, not the manga
Also, this panel was the only reference of the Bardock special in the manga because at the time Toriyama liked it, but in the Super era he ignored it and changed Bardock's design and the story of Planet's Vegeta destruction. The Special was decanonized and replaced by his version (which is way lamer t b h)

>>149839128
>Literally a wet dream figure by Azatoth

>>149839128
>boat level jobber
post the actually strong Cthulhu

>>149839164
The SMT one?

>>149839109
>>149839117
>>149839120
>>149839134
>>149839143
This thread is super gay.

>>149839175
>This thread is super gay.
First day?

>>149839175
You haven't seen nothing, YET

A man fucking another man in a show of dominance isn't gay

>>149839175
Welcome home, to where you belong

>>149839175
StraightSISSIES kneel to the interracial homokekGODS

Post your series fanbase being friendly to another one.

Are you calling ChiChi gay too

>>149839194
Kratos...

>I don't want them to say what
Invincisaar...

>>149839215
KINGtos PENETRATED Jeetsura with the sword of olympus

>>149839118
>/dbg/ still kept

>>149839212
Yeah, girls are gay

>>149839170
that one has a vagina for a mouth. do not post

>>149839215
... bottoms for all other men so he is super gay.

Post your hero getting kissed

>>149839253
By me

>>149839118
>User is a zillabro
REDDITzilla...

>>149836957
Omni-man: "If we destroy the planet wrong, we can die in the explosion."
Death Battle: "wElL tHeY sAiD ThEy CaN't KiLl ThEm WiTh ThEiR WeApOnS sO ThEy ScAlE tO PlAnEt GoInG bOoM."

>>149839270
Torishima....

>>149838890
If TOBA is out Banner's soul is kill so that's not a win for Hulk.

>>149839253
I-I can't....

You are a heterosexual no longer...

>>149839158
What was Toriyama thinking by replacing a beloved OVA with a different version?
I know its mostly the fault of Minus where Goku's mom first appeared, got Nu- Bardock, changed baby Goku's design and origin story to be more Superman like, etc but just why
Also its funny to think that Frieza remembered Bardock wrong like that with the new canon, "Oh that saiyan monkey had a different armor and a bandana maybe?"

>>149839291
I never was...

>>149839291
Kratos was TEACHING Asura how to pleasure a man.

>>149839291
I was always a Sailor Uranus fag

THE BIG 3

>>149839292
The Broly movie version of Frieza blowing up planet Vegeta was cut down by a lot because of the length of the movie iirc, like Bardock is just spontaneously injured and missing half his armor before Frieza attacks the planet and it's never explained why

I stand by what I said the thread before last, Omnidock is probably the most acrid, bitter, and persistent of the Death Battle rivalries. Which is saying a lot considering things.

>>149839058
>Yasha had more than a thousand years to study Vlitra and try and understand it, that's part of the reason he felt he had to go along with Deus' plan.
Good point about that. I didn’t factor in his existing experience with Vlitra. I guess Yasha might just find out by accident then if he accidentally grazes that tail or something. Raditz also keeps the tail wrapped around him in base so it’s harder to find out before he goes great Ape.
>but they can detect energy and if all of Yasha's energy is coming from his core, then it does invite targeting
This is a bit of weird topic to think about. Most demigods use their core to amplify and circulate mantra but I think aside from Asura using his Mantra Reactor right before Chakravartin’s beam hits Gaea, the game never really showed Mantra being exactly concentrated directly at their core. Hell, even right before Wyzen went planet size, his entire body glowed at once rather than his core. I think Mantra comes from their whole being with their cores being their hearts that help circulate and amplify all that Mantra. So it’s a debate whether a scouter would see all the energy coming from Yasha’s entire body or catch that it’s mostly coming from the center of his chest.
>Not just that but he's a coward and might reveal his tail weakness by being overly defensive of it
Oh yeah, if he slips up with this. There’s no doubt Yasha would immediately notice it. Yasha has good judgement and deduction skills, especially with deducing Asura would make the best use of Mantra Reactor after realizing how far his wrath could push him despite his body burning up.

>>149839327
...oh and JOBor and JOBerman are there too I guess

>>149839118
they credited you on the post though

>>149839292
I hate Bardock, but even more with Nu-Dock. It devalues Grandpa Gohan

>>149839327
Japancels kneels to this...

>>149839327
Only characters with 0 losses can be kings. Post the REAL version.

>>149839327
...and their rock level jester Kratos for some reason

>>149839327
It's over Gokeks and Asaara bros...

>>149839238
>>149839340
>>149839118
lol

>>149839360
All 3 have jobbed to rocks thobeit

>>149839340
They better pay us

>>149839292
Well Toriyama didn't really see it as replacing and more that he didn't want to take someone else's work and just insert it into his own. He wanted to take the idea of Bardock and fit it in in his own way. Maybe it isn't as popular, but that's how it goes sometimes.

>>149839377
>Asura loses to THIS

>>149839340
>>149839118
You should plap them

>>149839340
ah yes, I am 4chan, how did I forget?

>>149839407
The notorious hacker...

>>149839327
I just fell to my sissyjap knees...

>>149839417
Asura...

>>149839327
Gokek, Shitgeta, Jobsura... don't worry
Leave these guys to ME

>>149839407
>how did I forget?
old man

He was willingly serving the Sultan

>>149839327
… are not in that image, only SUBMOUNTAINtos, Thor SLOWdinson and SuperRAPED.

>>149839447
Post Simon not having a dead wife

>>149839447
All 3 beat the shit out him and fuck Nia and Yoko while he watches in a bush crying like a sissy

>>149839327
And SHARTos too I guess.

>>149839474
Post Kratos not having a dead wife and daughter, post Thor not getting replaced by Miles Morales, post Superman not having a fag for a son.

FUCKING ENOUGH

It's time for the REAL Battle

>>149839374
Who DOESN’T job to rocks?

>>149839447
All 3 get molested by his pet Boota while base Simon negdiffs their verses cosmologies.

>>149839327
Replace Kratos with Nolan and you have our real BIG 3

>>149839505
No cookbook?

>>149839447
ZESTYmon...

>>149839515
No Smart Atoms?

>>149836915 (OP)
Why do we hate Kratos again

>>149839495
>fight QUEENice wins effortlessly

>>149839518
No Yggdrisal?
>>149839519
Asurajeets haven't accepted their loss

>>149839519
He fraud checked my favorite japan guy character from a game I didn't play

>>149839344
What makes you say he devalues Grandpa Gohan? I say this as someone who broke down into tears upon rewatching and rereading the reunion at the Fortuneteller Baba matches.
I think of Bardock and (to a lesser extent) Gine as estranged parents that you struggle to relate to and maybe even resent a little as you grow into adulthood. But then you learn something about them that gives you perspective you lacked when you were younger. Even if they are or were bad people, you can understand them and maybe appreciate them more as a result.
But maybe I am just over sentimental.

>Hulk wins
>They say Hulk could kill TF Ultima since he can kill the likes of Galactus and Thanos
>They also say Banner could solve Ultima's equation and BTFO him that way
>They then do an alternate scenario with TOBA and say he no diffs any version of Godzilla
How would the zillawankers react?

>>149839530
>>149839536
No no. Way before Kratos vs Asura, people in this thread were lowballing the fuck out of Kratos

>>149839519
Kratosjeets still haven’t gotten over the fact that their hero got fraudchecked.

>>149839547
Sorry, frogkek
But that won't happen

>>149839547
Poorly, though probably not as poorly as Marvel fans if they decide Ultima beats TOBA Hulk.

>>149836915 (OP)
I had a dream that I raped Raditz

>>149839554
They're seething that their sissy jeet lost to a REAL MAN
>>149839558

>>149839538
Worded it wrong, and didn't give some context. Ever since Bardock, especially the introduction of Gine, people have been jerking off Bardock and Gine as if they've raised Goku. People keep talking about about how Goku would be happy to see Bardock and Gine.

Yet people forget that Grandpa Gohan raised Goku from birth, and Goku valued Grandpa Gohan more than whatever Saiyan heritage they tried to pull off in the Granolah Saga.

1% Kratos solos the vast majority of characters and series on this show.

Post Kratos destroying a mountain.

>>149839470
>SLOWdinson
Gosh it's been years since I last saw this

>>149839554
Real answer is that /DBG/ doesn't like lore scaling and him winning made it worse

>>149839580
Not even zillatards would believe that.

>>149839519
>>149839554
People unironically think a guy who jobs to rocks left and right and runs at average human speed is multiversal and MFTL. Him being reverse fraudchecked by a guy who performs actual impressive feats just made it worse here.

>Kyle VS Simon happens
>Simon invokes spiral death battle power to grant Kyle a new animated role with cutie love interests that aren't fridge'd
What a cool bro Simon is.

>>149839596
I-I-I-I……….

Post Asura raising another man's kid

>>149839596
What would happen if Kratos stood on a mountaintop and punched the ground? Wank and downplay aside

>>149839617
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKTOS!

>>149839607
Gameplay mechanics.
Antifeat.
Yawn

>>149839625
At most maybe leave some cracks or fragmentation on the surface if its in a fight or something. Otherwise nothing.

>>149839611
that's just the Death Battle curse dumb dumb

This is an anti feat.

>>149839635
that was a cutscene THOUGH. You need to rely on the multiversal house wall!

9 Million Universes Lowballed

Asura is 0-1

>>149839635
>gameplay mechanic
>anti-feat
>when it happens in cutscene
>when it happens in a serious fight
KEKYPOW!

Explain what's wrong with raising your wife's son without appealing to emotion.

>>149839635
Damn Asura isn't even wall level

>>149839667
?

>>149839637
Like this? Sorry for the bad quality

>>149839667
Chudsurabros... we can't refute this...

I find it amusing to watch Asura's team scream and cry but then try to tell me Nolan beats Bardock

We must be better men...

>>149839617
I… AM INCAPABLE…

>>149839684
Something like that though that's being extremely generous and would probably require a weapon like the hercules gauntlets to something like that to a lesser degree after multiple punches

>>149839520
This is what will happen to Bernice fighting against GOD Angel

>>149839688
Are they the same team? KEKdock and Asaara are sissy jobbers whose fans need to get over their loss

>>149836915 (OP)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kratos
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Asura_(Asura's_Wrath)
Once more the superior powerscalers have spoken

>>149839589
That's not invalid. I think it is definitely something you can blame on a lot of the fandom not actually watching and reading Dragon Ball.
I do think that Goku has built an admiration for Bardock to some degree, but I don't think a reunion between him and his birth parents would be teary eyed for Goku and Bardock (Gine would cry though).

>>149839688
>WHATABOUTos

>>149839667
It is the same behavior as a cuckoo bird laying its eggs in another bird's nest and that bird raising its young.

>>149839667
There is nothing wrong with that. It’s the result of being the BETTER MAN! In the words and beliefs of KINGtos, we MUST be better men. We must be more empathetic, docile role models whom young men can look up to and learn positive masculinity from. When strong independent women, BIPOC, LGBTQ+, gender-diverse children and neurodivergent folk speak, we must sit down, listen and learn how to give them a voice and empower them. We will NOT go back.

>>149830316 I don't think so. Multiverses aren't exactly the same concept as universal streams

>>149839712
All I'm going to say is that KINGtos SCHOLARS and Omni-CHADS don't cry about results

>>149836957
... Wouldn't ki attacks have heat that fucks with Viltrumite smart atoms?

>>149839698
Fraud angel is the blonde thot btw

Hulk lose?

>>149839625
Based purely on what we see in the games? He might make a small crater in to the peak.
Based on what we have in terms of the story, fight, and storyboarding team? He could split the mountain or at the very least punch a hole through it.

>>149839724
This but unironically
Just be a good person, bro

>>149839698
KEK Angel is the girl getting cut in half btw

>>149839698
>attack that Bernice TANKS
Post SHARTgel surviving a fall off a building.

You must use the tools the great KINGtos gave us to fight Asurajeets:
>Lore
>Scaling
>Worldbuilding
These things strike fear into an Asurajeet's heart. Someone comes at you with disingenuous questions about KINGtos's power level? You tell them this:
>No Cookbook?
It doesn't matter what they say. They won't be ready for
>No Yggdrasil?
>No Lore?
And if that isn't enough:
>No 9 million universes lowballed?
>No Fans?
>No Crossover Scaling?
Avoid conversation with the Asurajeets. The Asurajeets will lie. The Asurajeets will post anti-feats. He will deny KINGtos's Lore. If he gets really desperate, he may start to cuckpost, or spam.

Post Kratos destroying a mountain.

>>149839762
No, they made this match to finally give Hulk a win. Godzillabros won't care since Ultima is a meme and everyone would prefer if the fight is about their normal versions, not the overpowered cosmic meme versions
Gokek will always be the only 3-0 faggot

I was a God of War fan ever since the PS2-PS3 era. Seriously, what the fuck happened to everyone's perception of Kratos since the Norse Games?

Where did this Kratos holier than thou come from? Greek Kratos had a lot of flaws, that bit him by the end of GoW 3. He had an arc that ended with him stabbing himself with the Blade of Olympus.

Yet, some people online keep ignoring the Greek storyline because it ruins their so called perception

>>149839816
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK BRINGING UP COOKBOOKS AND YGGDRASIL AND LORE AND DEATH BATTLE AND CROSSOVER SCALING AND POPULARITY ISN’ ENOUGH TO STOP THIS QUESTION FROM DEBUNKING KRATOS DISCORD MEETING NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!

>>149839706
>the site that got raided by Kratosjeets and has Tucker at multiversal is superior

>>149836957
None of these characters could get pass Touhou 11

>>149839822
The holier than thou thing mainly came from Norsetos saying we must be better men and here specifically monster no longer.
>>149839841
Didn't you say you're going to leave? I'll miss the salt you'll take with you

>>149839746
I wouldn't cede this point typically, but it is worthwhile to reiterate that Smart Atoms are entirely an invention from the guidebook and not one that has entered the Kirkman written media.
On your point though, ki and heat have a weird relationship. Characters get scorch marks from ki attacks fairly often and there is likely some sort of heat element at play in order for ki attacks to cause the sort of vaporization effect that they do on targets. But we literally can't tell how much and how much control people have over it.
Presumably there is some control since Future Trunks literally has signature moves called Burning Attack and Heat Dome Attack. But who knows.

Kratos? Won.

>>149839816
AEEEEEEEIIIIIIII STOP FUCKING ASKING ME TO DO THINGS I AM INCAPABLE OF!

>>149838469
my dick

>One more week of this shit
Hopefully /dbg/ doesn't reach critical mass by then

>>149839865
Yup 1-1tos

>>149839841
Kratos has been at that level for a few years

>>149839860
>Didn't you say you're going to leave?

>>149836915 (OP)
I will fight Kratos

>>149839781
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAfA2NRSkZ4

Post Bernice flying without the help of water and a jetpack

>>149839896
Kratos is more Immortal's speed, Nolan.

>>149839896
The omniverse isn't ready for this fight

>>149839896
Dimes the Match.

>>149839888
Stop lying, kratos obsessed freaks changed it.

>>149839822
He wasn't so much holier than thou in the Norse games as he was trying to defuse a situation rather than escalate it. Realistically the only times that can be considered 'Holier Than Thou' are trying to dissuade Baldur from killing Freya, threatening Heimdal, and Thor.
The "We must be better" refrain is Kratos trying to restrain himself as much as he is trying to teach Atreus.
That being said, by the end of Ragnarok I think Kratos does end up sinking into waxing poetically instead of his more Laconic way of speaking. I can understand that being a turn off, since the amount of speech he uses sometimes feels like it is telling instead of showing.

>>149839944
You can literally go in and see the arguments and whatnot for why they have him at that level, but you won't because then you'd be proven wrong. Not that you care, you just fish for yous.

>>149839954
What about Soitos refusing to kill Freya despite her trying to kill him and Atreus for years because "we must be better men"?

>>149839896
>Infinite lifting strength
>Immeasurable speed
>High Outerversal attack potency
>Smart Atoms resist all of Kratos' hax artifacts
How are we supposed to decide a victor?

>>149839960
As a former vsbw fag, some faggot tried to debunk it with arguments, and literal WOG, and they went "no uh, lore says otherwise".

>>149839960
>Not that you care, you just fish for yous
we all are newfag

>>149840001
NTA but no one really uses WOG, unless it's like an official interview type thing. Even then doesn't Cory say Yggdrasil is an actual multiverse or something that he wants to explore in future titles? WOG tweets are scattered all over the place for GOW
>>149840000
Coin flip or Tie (bad)

>>149839964
Well Freya (according to the language the game presents) doesn't attack Atreus and instead aims her ire at Kratos. Kratos is fine with fighting her to the death if that's what she wants, but he values her for saving Atreus' life and resonates with her pain of loss.
Not only this, but a majority of Ragnarok Kratos is just trying to avoid getting into more conflict if he can help it because he doesn't want to die and have Atreus live without a father.
Killing another god, even an exiled one like Freya, would just draw more attention to himself and Atreus that would not only endanger himself but also Atreus.

>>149840037
>wordswordswords
No man worth his salt would repeatedly let a woman not only endanger him but also his son.

>>149840001
Pretty sure there was screenshot of the site lead moderator literally saying he was tired and the constant Kratosfags raiding the site was tiring the moderation team. Essentially they gave up and just said fuck it and let Kratos be put to multiversal to stop the endless spam of threads.

>>149840025
WOG as that one dude basically saying "lol kratos isn't a mountain buster, much less higher dimensional multiversal deity". They kinda soft banned power scaling relating after ben 10 fags were still cocky about alien x, before getting gaped by the green pedo. A personal theory of mine is that they used that as a way to ban any "the creator tells the fans that their hero is a building level fraud", otherwise sonic fags would be arguing about liam retardation for years

>>149840057
we just make shit up around here (in character since Death Battle just makes up shit for their scaling)

>>149840057
I think it is funny how the lore faggots are assblasted that their scrimbo bimblos are getting stomped to death by xianxia featsman, funny website in a way.

>>149840046
Shut the fuck up, Anakin. Call back when you finally defeat the Daicon Girl

>>149836915 (OP)
I will fight Kratos.

KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKTOS!

KING.
SCHOLAR.
TEACHER.

…OF MURDERERS

Kratos won't fight me. Bitch knows. It is lonely at the top...

>>149840025
He says he would like to explore the wider universe of God of War in future titles and has described the Earth of God of War as if someone was looking at things through the Hubble Telescope.
This doesn't really say anything about size or shape of things but is more just suggesting that every land in God of War has mystical forces and cultures that makes it like every land is its own world.
He doesn't suggest anything like each of them being universes unto themselves.

>>149840048
Okay.

>>149840113
>He doesn't suggest anything like each of them being universes unto themselves
Makes sense.

>>149840102
>literal street-tier bullyman before the actual bullyman

>>149840132
Post Deku blasting a giant hole into the moon.

>>149840132
You want to get bullied too, SHITku?

>>149836915 (OP)
>>149840155

Kisame we're leaving, this thread's heroes are all pathetic jobbers who wouldn't last a minute against us.

>>149840197
One minute later.

>>149840197
Damn I remember when this aired. I feel ancient.

>>149838075
It literally doesn't though. If a black hole the size of a dime, and the mass of the earth showed up, it would be like an atom bomb went off in the local area according to physicists, and with time it would destroy a planet. While the ToP arena doesn't have a listed size, estimates put it within a mile to the size of a city, so the formation of the attack should have done something to the arena if it was even a planetary mass level. It doesn't. The gravity well of a black hole should be pulling in things from the arena, even after it's creation, including the Universe 2 fighters who created it. It doesn't. Goku doesn't escape it by overpowering the pull, he just kamehameha's the guys summoning it, so not really a strength feat.

Goku took a heavy weight attack(on a level where it didn't kill 17 and 18), decidedly less than a planetary mass, and took out the guys running it. Omni-Man flew away from an actual black hole, formed from the mass of a star. I'm not arguing Goku isn't strong, but you need to actually look at what's in front of you. And ToP feats are kind of eh, since no one outside of Freiza is going for killshots, since those get you disqualified.

>>149839746
I don't know about smart atoms but yeah Ki is hot. We see characters light fires with it, Gogeta's power is stated to be equivalent to the big bang in Fusion Reborn with steam rolling off his body, Jiren commented on UIS Goku's body producing heat, Jiren's power was so hot it was causing discomfort/pain to bystanders (and for reference, Blue Goku and Wrathful Broly can fight completely submerged in lava unimpeded, so Jiren's power would have to be pretty damn hot to bother these guys).

Probably the biggest statement for it is that the dense energy ball created by God Goku and Beerus' power blending together is stated to be a mass of energy that would 'evaporate anything in the universe' by Elder Kai, a god that observes the universe as his job. And that can be wanked to high heaven.

I suppose some other examples that may be relevant is stuff like Cooler surviving being blasted into the sun, Freeza surviving Namek exploding with him inside of it, Vegeta survived Earth exploding (he did, Beerus and Whis state he would suffocate in space while Freeza does not) and so on. And yet these same characters can be scorched by Ki. What else? Nuova Shenron is stated to be as hot as the sun itself and characters like Goku can handle him with no issue. If you composite GT and Super then characters like Jiren definitely scale past that.

>>149838500
>>149838530
He also likely destroyed other higher dimensions like the DOSL. And more dimensions like the various HTCs that exist throughout the multiverse, the Angel Realm, Zeno Realm, etc. And that doesn't get into the can of worms of him potentially deleting the World of Void and Subspace.

>>149838919
>DB Planets are over 38,000 km in diameter on average
Source: Champa and Zuno stating Super DBs are 'almost' the size of planets with Zuno clarifying they are over 38,000 km in diameter
>Planet Vegeta is a large planet
Source: DBS Broly LN states as such.
>Planet Vegeta has 10x the gravity of Earth
Source: King Kai

Tallying this up Planet Vegeta would have over 89x the mass of Earth. Freeza blew it up while sitting in his chair when he was a child.

And that doesn't even get into King Vegeta blowing up several planets with a wave of his hand.