Thread 149840210

No unnecessary references, no Spider-Man army, just two Spider-Men at vastly different points in their lives helping each other out of their respective ruts - a classic buddy cop story that also serves as a proper exploration of what being Spider-Man is about.
It's amazing how this is the only time where the Spider-Verse concept has ever justified itself despite the amount of times it's been attempted in both comics and film.

Remember when they had literally everyone come out and suck Miles off in Ultimate? Reviving Peter for him to kneel and suck Miles's toes at being the BETTER Spider-Man?
That little motherfucker can't do shit on his own. He always needs Peter or Gwen around for anyone to even give a fuck about that little mystery meat mutt.

>>149840227
yeah but hes black and all the cool black guys buy his comics

>>149840210 (OP)
>No unnecessary references
No such thing

>, no Spider-Man army
The spider-man army was cool

>>149840210 (OP)
Spider-verse is one the instances where they got it the worst. The whole movie just exists to hammer Miles down everyone's throats while grossly misunderstanding Stan's "anyone could have been Spider-man." quote.

>>149840345
I don't really see how that's true at all.
Unlike other depictions of Miles here he's pretty incompetent and shit for most of the movie and easily overpowered by everyone else - yeah he gets his shit together eventually but that's what the whole movie is building towards and it feels earned after all he goes through.
It's not like he's constantly showing everyone up, he's just another Spider-Man on equal footing with the others by the end.

>>149840210 (OP)
I unironically hate the 1st move and think the 2nd one is much better.

>>149840470
the literal coda of the movie ends on him saying ANYBODY CAN YOU CAN WEAR THE MASK! It's absolute self indulgence. And even if he's not overpowered the fact that he needs everyone to tell him how great he is because he just is defeats the premise.

>>149840484
The movie's just about having the confidence to do what you want to do even in the face of immense screw ups and consequences.
That's the whole point of the leap of faith thing, Miles spends the entire movie wallowing in self doubt worrying about not being good enough even before he's bitten, it's only when he lets go of them that he actually gets to be Spider-Man proper.
It's not that anyone can wear the mask, it's that anyone can achieve what they want to achieve if they cast aside self-doubt.
This is the only reason Miles is able to best Peter at the end, he took the leap of faith while Pete's still unsure about going back to MJ.

Also most of the movie is spent with the characters talking about how shit Miles is and how he's not ready to be Spider-Man, literally the only people who believe in him are Peter and his dad, I really don't see what the issue you have with the movie is.

>>149840210 (OP)
No, that coon will never be Spider-Man no matter how hard you try

>>149840227
This guy reads comics.. I kneel

>>149840602
>The movie's just about having the confidence to do what you want to do even in the face of immense screw ups and consequences.

Superheroes aren't about doing what you WANT to do they're about doing what you HAVE to do.

>>149840602
>I really don't see what the issue you have with the movie is.
Oh, I think you can guess...
Most /co/tards just check the grievance sheet to see what to say about any given media anyway.
The main point is that almost all other versions of Miles suck, but Spider-Verse is a great story. Miles isn't automatically great (although he is a basically a good kid like Peter Classic). There's no shitting on Peter Classic. Peter B. is hyper-competent, honorable, lovable, funny, and about to get his shit back together too. He's just Spider-Man...knocked down but ready to get back up again to face the challenge.
The message isn't "move over whitey, I'm in charge now", it's "hey, you did great work in your day...that is awesome and we all respect that, but maybe you need a minute for yourself to work shit out? We can work together."

>>149841191
Yep, Miles is a classic hedonist, every story of his is about basking in the glory of vigilantism rather than helping. No wonder the audience is mostly women.

>>149840227
show me the panel where this happens? he litterally btfos miles in one punch then rides off into the sunset with MJ

Parkerfags are such crybaby sissies, Paul was the best thing to happen because it showed how utterly fragile you Self Insert faggots are

>>149842430
>the big twist is that hes a criminal in the second(3rd?) movie
when i watched that for first time i just looked to floor and nodded

I just remembered he is the entire reason aryan peter dies in the movie, worthwhile character

>>149842819
>I just remembered he is the entire reason aryan peter dies in the movie
nah it was justified that miles tied him to a swastika for being white.
bet their slave owner ancestors are not laughing now are they?

>>149840210 (OP)
No, spiderman doesnt need a little brother or sidekick who is also titled "Spiderman" its fucking retarded. And bum broken old peter is a side effect of OMD

Are you telling me a spider-man with less than a week of experience can somehow take down a fisk that a spider-man in his prime with 10 years of experience couldn't?

>>149840484
>ANYBODY CAN YOU CAN WEAR THE MASK!

It's actually kinda true. The point of that message is that doesn't really matter if Spider-Man is a cartoon pig or an anime girl or a gritty film noir detective or even a black teen with exaggerated swagger, as long as they're upholding the core values of the mantle. And the whole point of the Spider-Society in the second film is that Miguel is pissing all over everything that makes the mantle what it is.

>>149840210 (OP)
>No unnecessary references
The entire fucking movie is references. It's entertaining references, but call it what it fucking is.

>>149843021
It's all in the exaggerated swagger and mumble rap, you wouldn't understand. Also the Pedro Pascal moves his murderer for hire uncle taught him, REST IN POWERtm king.

>>149840484
i don't remember everyone telling him how great he is

>>149840210 (OP)
The first movie still had three joke characters that existed purely for references sake plus Gwen who literally contributes nothing to the story

>>149843063
No. The point is that someone from a lower place in life, through his own LEARNED sense of responsibility and nobility rose to become a hero. What CORE VALUES? Spider-man is who is was because of the kind of person Peter became.

>>149840210 (OP)
you're right and /co/ will seethe over you being right, remember that. Miles works when he's in his own universe away from Peter and this movie having an AU Peter mentor him before going solo is a great concept by the writers. this movie does in 2 hours what comic writers couldn't in 7 years, making Miles a good and lovable protagonist

>>149844426
>Miles works when he's in his own universe
Does he? Do you really think any of his own original Bendis series worked at all? Because I remember the early days of us bitching up a storm about him not even having his own shooters.

>>149840210 (OP)
>No unnecessary references, no Spider-Man army, just two Spider-Men at vastly different points in their lives helping each other out of their respective ruts - a classic buddy cop story that also serves as a proper exploration of what being Spider-Man is about.

>>149840210 (OP)
God it felt so good to be a Spider-Man head in the late 2010s
>Spider-Man in the MCU
>Into the Spider-Verse
>Spider-Man on PS4
>early Spencer comics
For a brief moment there we really were witnessing a Spidey renaissance

>>149845404
Watching you secondaries struggle to rationalize MSM2 and AtSV being turds after all those years of posturing was the most fun I've had with Spider-Man in years, honestly.

>>149845404
>>Spider-Man in the MCU
Does MCU Spider-man have a personality?

>>149845543
Needy. Codependent. Daddy issues.

>>149845482
>t. didn't know who Spider-Man was prior to 2002

>>149845839
>t.wounded tourist

>>149845843
>duuuude you're such a tourist for wanting Spider-Man stories that are actually like the comics rather than this hyper specific interpretation of the character that is both inaccurate and continuously spinning its wheels around his origin story

>>149844916
/co/ bitches up a storm about 99% of shit, that’s never been and never will be a metric worthy of consideration
also what part of “movie made Miles cool unlike the 7 years of comics until then” did you not understand?

>>149845863
No one has ever wanted Spider-Man stories like your comics, Slott. You will die screaming.

>>149840210 (OP)
>just two Spider-Men
So they didn't get it right at all.
>>149844426
>making Miles a good and lovable protagonist
And other copes milestards tell themselves.
Sorry, your shitty OC is still boring just like the garbage movie he's in.

>>149845404
You have abysmal taste. You're the exact reason Spider-Man sucks.

>>149840210 (OP)
Spider-Verse generally works as a side story about Miles

It should never be included in Peter's stories

>>149846072
>it's garbage because... it just is, okay?! your shitty OC spiderman ripoff is bad and mine isn't!!!! stop asking me to provide sensible criticisms other than that I hate and it and it's bad and that you're coping!!!!

>>149846312
>can't even make a single post without seething
As expected of a milestard. Unironically can't wait till your heart gives out from all the seething you retards do daily.

why is it always heart attack with you guys, why is it never new material except "Miles bad reeeee I hope your heart dies" ??? genuinely flabbergasting that everytime someone goes "I don't think ITSV is bad actually" this is the typical bot response they get back

>even more seething over a shitty movie getting called out for what it is
Keep crying, you little bitch.

>>149844315
>What CORE VALUES?

The whole thing about power and responsibility? There's more than one way to learn that lesson.

This movie is the best Spider-Man has ever been on screen. Haters mald forever.