Thread 149845966

>Finally get a good Superman movie
>Flops

He just doesn't work as a character anymore. Times have changed. This guy was made in the same decade as Betty Boop and you guys are still trying to squeeze relevance out of him. Give. UP.

It flopped?

It’s good?

>>149845989
No. But if Anon lies on the internet, people will give him attention.

>>149845978
Stfu retard

>>149845993
No. But if Anon lies on the internet, people will give him attention.

>>149845998
Every extra drop of cortisol cuts your lifespan by a little bit.

>>149845998
Nta, but Superman is laughably antiquated. There’s no room for Jewish power fantasy anymore

>>149846031
Shut up disingenous fag

>>149846025
Retard

>>149845966 (OP)
Liar

>>149846053
I was joking about the Jewish power fantasy thing (even though he is), but he really is outdated

Anyone notice the increase in stupid one or two-word insult replies that controbute nothing on /co/ recently, like in this thread? Bets on what that could be?
>underage influx
>retarded pajeet influx
>bots

It's one of the best Superman movies, which shows that Superman didn't have many good movies in the first place. I really don't like the “optimistic” Superman thing.

>>149846100
Yes

>>149846100
Stop noticing things.

>>149846088
Retarded opinion

>>149845966 (OP)
>200+225=700

>>149846124
Mind explaining your thoughts?

>>149845989
Yes.
Big budget
Nearly as big market because of the expensive stunts to promote the film
Ads everywhere
Cast and director constantly doing press interviews (those cost a lot more than you think.)
Reshoots
Cut theaters sooner
Word of mouth is the film is weird and character assassinates in the oddest ways
Kryptonians are now viltrumites
Jor el wants superman to have a harem
Not even a joke
Justice Gang are all incompetent murderers
Supermans powers even more nonsense than before
Had to cut villain kicking dog because it upset the millenials too much for a bad guy to do anything bad
Lex is gay
Really gay
Also incompetent so what a great nemesis
Anti israel
Which is weird that got green lit
Set up for a supergirl
Except shes a drunk party girl now

>>149846106
No

>>149845989
Did fine domestically but outside the US yeah it's a flop
Superman is too american coded and the world hates the US right now

>>149846088
>Outdated
They didn't make sense in the 30s, either. People just enjoyed fiction because they had real problems to deal with and midwits didn't exist yet

>>149846147
Sounds retarded

>>149846100
I thought it was bots since the replies always seem so generic, but sometimes they actually display independent thought which makes me think probably just underage summerfags. Jeets usually go more ballistic with word walls in an attempt to justify themselves.

>>149846106
>I really don't like the “optimistic” Superman thing.
This one isn't really optimistic either to be fair.

>>149846100
Whatever it is, the "Superman is le outdated" retard deserves the exact kind of discourse.
He also deserves to blow his brains out and stop polluting the board, but beggars can't be choosers and he's too dumb to realize how pathetic his life is to actually go through with it.

>>149846106
The optimistic thing comes off as kinda forced because it's steeped in Gunn's usual ironic humor + there's not a lot of focus on Superman's supposed love for Earth or supposed struggle to get up in the morning qnd do the right thing, it's mostly told rather than shown. It's not a terrible movie but I feel like it had a lot of stuff cut, so the mood does not come across as well as it was supposed to..

>>149846184
Back then people actually could succeed and get ahead in life by being upstanding citizens
Today, everyone knows that’s bullshit

>>149846152
Fascinanting seeing the stream of consciousness of a retarded brain.

>>149845966 (OP)
I don't like Superman no more. And no amount of artificial positivity bout those "There's a staaaaaar maaaaaaaaan" memes is gonna change that

>>149846100
/co/ hasn't been high quality in a long time but things do keep getting worse. I just don't reply to them.

>>149845966 (OP)
>Makes a movie about Superman losing every fight.
>Superbitch flops
>Retarded anons call it a good movie

The problem wasn't the movie, but how retarded the Gunnfags were. Ironically everything people seethed about Snyderfans turned out to be true about Gunnfags.

>>149846169
It did twice it's budget back and it's 100 short of a massive success (as in 3 times the numbers)

Must be afternoon in India.

>>149846469
Secondary

>>149846534
Manlet hands typed this in ultra slomo

>>149846469
It's just a meme, bro. Nobody's "forcing positivity".

>>149845989
>>149845996
Performed worse than Man of Steel, which also flopped.

>>149846100
Sneed.

Let me piss into the ocean of piss that is this thread with my stupid-ass opinion.
Superman Returns was a noble attempt and the last time a Superman movie felt like a Superman movie. Unironically if it had more fight scenes and a better villain than a tornado, it would've been received more warmly.
Sneederjeets and gunntards can sneed.

>>149846670
Yeah, nothing says "Superman" like "deadbeat father."

>>149846686
>wahh Superman is too flawed
>wahh Superman is flawless so he's boring
Which is it?

>>149846630
I didn't say force anything. You persecution complex having Superman worshipping ass...

>>149846699
Do you think it's a binary choice, retard?

>>149846721
Meds, now.

>>149846736
I don't live in the Mediterranean, where Superman flopped

>>149846755
>schizo attempt at witticism

>>149846724
No, but when the alternatives are Gunn's reddit shit and Sneeder's "I'm 13 and I'm an auteur" cringe, it's an easy winner.

>>149846775
Point me to the lie, Superman

>>149846793
>Point me to the lie, Superman

For the people who are enraged at the idea of superman being outdated... whats the cutoff? No character lasts in the public consciousness forever. In what year are we ALLOWED to stop caring about Superman?

>>149846724
Yeah

>>149846806
You having a laugh attack you motherfucka...

>>149845966 (OP)
So...not good, then.

>>149846835
If these spooks had their way you'd have to kowtow to Superman every day like themm Muslims do. They're very sensitive about big blue

>>149846835
Eh, it's balanced out with the people that think you should stop liking Superman NOW.

Is the schizo finally broken?
He's been doing this since 2021 at least and now he's reduced to incoherent schizo rambling.

>>149846872
You've been keeping tabs on an anonymous user on a Burmese image board for 4 years?

>>149846902
>tabs
Because seeing "le Superman is le outdated threads every single da I come to this shithole board is not noticeable, you retarded newfag.
Or chances are you're actually the schizo, in which case kill yourself. Nobody would mourn you.

>>149846917
maybe it's a more common idea than you think

>149846957
>I'm totally not a samefagging retard making the exact same shitty thread
Unironically get cancer, you're not fooling anybody you piece of worthless trash.
https://desuarchive.org/co/search/text/superman%20outdated/type/op/page/7/

>>149846974
there is no need to be upset. I am your friend and Superman IS outdated

>>149846622
Project harder anon

>schizo still trying to play dumb
Get. Cancer. Trash.
May your family get cancer as well, while we're at it. Annoying spamming retard.

>>149846859
I don't think anyone is demanding that people stop liking Superman as some kind of commandment (except, you know, obvious trolls) but more that people are just pointing out that its already happened. DC wants to keep its ancient roster of characters perpetually in the spotlight forever because thats what their brand is built around, but that doesn't mean that audiences want the same thing.
Superman is a story built around a set of values that made sense at the time, but just highlights the ideological divisions in America now. Truth, justice, and the american way? No one agrees on what ANY of those three things mean anymore in modern america, we're too fractured by our politics. So any adaptation of Superman has to take at least a soft stance somewhere on what those mean, which means picking a position in the culture war, while also desperately trying to pretend that they have not picked a side because they don't want to alienate paying customers.

This is not the right era for Superman.

>>149846835
Well, isn't Barbie outdated? It's even misogynistic to give girls dolls nowadays. Yet the movie excelled, because it's a big IP.
Superman is also a big IP. Maybe bigger than Barbie. But because they made a bad movie, it underperformed in the box office and won't make their money back.

>>149847036
>it's good or bad depending on the money it makes
oy vey

>>149847018
Sounds like an era problem, not a Superman one.

>>149847036
Barbie was promoted as le epic deconstruction and had actors people care about.

>>149847104
Superman lives in a society unironically. It's his fault as an IP if he can't adapt properly

>>149846152
YES
Exactly
Proud subscriber of your newsletter since 1999 and you are always here with the solid proof.

>>149845989
Used to be 'flop' was reserved movies that cost millions to make and earned back mere thousands.
Nowadays you can make hundreds of millions and still get called a flop because words don't mean anything anymore.

>>149847112
Nah, compliance with current thing means death when thing is no longer current. Who remembers Gen 13?

>>149847036
The Barbie movie didn't do well because it was Barbie. The Barbie movie did well because it was an exceptional film, that just happened to be about Barbie.

>>149845966 (OP)
>mfw the Snyderverse is dead and never coming back

>>149845989
Domestic no, but globally it's the worse grossing Superman film.

>>149847158
>The Barbie movie did well because it was an exceptional film
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Good one. Ken was great, though.

>>149846630
>Nobody's "forcing positivity".
NTA but the meme itself and the fact people insist the movie is good and/or optimisitc is the forcing.

>>149847158
Boring feminist take
>>149847197
Boring chud take

Everyting in the current discourse is so predictable now.

>>149846534
Snyderfags were oddly enough the best thing to happen to this movie. Mocking them basically birthed another cult that decided this movie was good before even releasing.

>>149847200
Adulthood is realizing people have different opinions from yours.
Maturity is realizing some of those opinions are held sincerely, not out of contrarianism.
I hope you reach both stages.

I liked it.

>>149847228
The anti-Snyder cult. A cult in which I am proudly a part of.

>>149847255
maturity is getting a personality besides snark and condescension. ya mean girls headass

>>149847213
You're so cool. I bet you use self deprecating irony a lot too.

220M budget
125M propaganda
580M Boxoffice

>>149847255
Yes, I also make memes defending multi-billion corporations out of my "sincere" opinions.
>>149847267
I dislike Snyder too, but this is the odd actual case of "both sides are retards".

>>149847276
Keep those numbers up. The Gunnbots are still in full force to this day, ITT even!

>>149847279
Yes anon, you're the last incorruptible person on earth.

>>149845966 (OP)
Objectively speaking, 90% of all earthlings have Superman fatigue

>>149847279
I might be a retards but I'm a happy retard! The other day I got pulled over by a cop for speeding. I was salty at first but then I reminded myself that Zack Snyder will never make another DC movie and the pain completely went away. It's a cope that works for anything, it's great.

>>149847296
seethe

>>149847324
why?

Define "flop."
>I didn't like it
That's not a flop.
>it has themes that don't agree with my personal political opinions
That's not a flop.
>it's not the same as [previous movie]
That's not a flop.
>I don't like [actor]
That's not a flop.
>There was a nonwhite person/woman/LGBT+ person in it
That's not a flop.

>>149846184
>People just enjoyed fiction because they had real problems to deal with
Do you live in your own house? How many years did it take you to save up to buy it?

>>149845966 (OP)
Flop? I thought it did good not great. Like domestically it did fantastic but it did really shitty on the international stage. Either way I loved the movie, no idea why people dismiss Gunn as being irony-poisoned because this was some of the most genuine heartfelt capeshit I've seen in a bit.

>>149847526
Life was so easy back then, with its Great Depression and looming World War.

>>149845966 (OP)
>>149846169
It's going to end up 2025 being the top grossing superhero movie of the year, including world-wise, that is international grosses.
Yes, it has made less internationally when you look at the domestic results, but Superman will also be the HIGHEST GROSSING cape movie of 2025 from just international grosses.

>>149847526
working class people in the 30s were often living with several other family members in a cramped one-room apartment. disease was less preventable so if one person got sick it was a nightmare.

>>149845966 (OP)
I liked it more than any MCU film. And I generally liked the MCU pre-pandemic.

>>149847805
1 Ne Zha II
2 Lilo & Stitch
3 A Minecraft Movie
4 Jurassic World: Rebirth
5 How to Train Your Dragon
6 Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning
7 Superman
8 F1: The Movie
9 The Fantastic Four: First Steps
10 Captain America: Brave New World

>>149847751
Its some weird political hang up, because this site is hard on him making shitty pedophile jokes fifteen years ago when this site is nothing but that.

>>149848119
it was all pedo projection all along

>>149847911
Your chart proves his point.

>>149847911
F1 made the list?
Genuinely surprised it just seemed like a generic racing movie like we get every other year.

Gunn saying "it doesn't have to make 600 million" is pretty much confirmation that it flopped

>>149847751
>o idea why people dismiss Gunn as being irony-poisoned because this was some of the most genuine heartfelt capeshit I've seen in a bit.
Because some people actually did watch the movie instead of deciding it was good.
It has the same shit the MCU movies have where nothing is taken seriously by its own characters. Off the top of my head there's when the prisioners start arguing with each other when superman and morpho try to escape or "you brought the dog!" etc.
Everything HAS to be undermined.
And there's a literal sequence where Superman ignores a threat to the city and instead of at least portraying that they had it in the background because we're supposed to laugh at it. You can't have that scene and pretend this is the same wholesome Superman that would even save a kitty or a suicidal girl that people claim to like.
The only time the movie somewhat gets close to that is Superman's final speech with Luthor which does work partially because it isn't undermined by a joke. But that wasn't the whole movie.

>>149846169
>but outside the US
who gives a shit

>>149846259
"Show don't tell" fags are the same mother fuckers who will watch a 3 hour review of a movie instead of watching a movie.

>>149848613
>And there's a literal sequence where Superman ignores a threat to the city and instead of at least portraying that they had it in the background because we're supposed to laugh at it. You can't have that scene and pretend this is the same wholesome Superman that would even save a kitty or a suicidal girl that people claim to like.

No, thats a good scene. It establishes that the other heroes ARE doing shit offscreen, and that Superman does not personally need to show up to every problem.
This is important because it establishes that the world this story takes place in is bigger than just Superman and some guys who stand around looking less cool than him in the background. It means that in future movies set in this same world, other heroes are allowed to have stories and final battles that don't get interrupted by Superman dropping in to steal their thunder.

None of this is out of line with the comics. For you to argue otherwise would be to argue that every DC comics story, in every run, for every hero, has to have Superman show up in the middle because it would be out of character for him not to intervene. Thats absurd.

>>149848613
The Justice Pals had the jellyfish up in the air, out of the way and with no collateral damage happening. He's not supposed to be like Batman and always assume everyone else is going to fuck up and let parents die if he doesn't personally attend the situation. His faith in other people is a core tenet of his personality.

>>149848687
What's absurd is that you think making a retarded extrapolation is a good argument.
>>149848779
Then he's not the one that saves everyone no matter how small anon. Its not that hard.

>>149848790
>Then he's not the one that saves everyone no matter how small anon
Go take a screenshot of the person that wasn't saved from the jellyfish, and then you can fault Superman for not saving them.

>>149845966 (OP)
>Finally get a good Superman movie
We already got 2 great Superman movies almost 50 years ago, and we don't need more, they're perfect.
>Flops
The Gunn's flick? Yeah, people don't like pædos, and pædos rarely make good movies.

>>149848837
>Giant monster attacks big city
>ZERO(0) casualties
People ridiculized Power Rangers for less. Guess the problem all along was not having enough spics shilling for PR.

>>149845966 (OP)
It literally already made it's money back.

>>149845966 (OP)
Superman just can't catch a mother fucking break can he?

Capeshit movies are fading in popularity. The budgets exploded which shrunk their margins and has made flops much more costly. It's probably going to go back to just Wolverine, Batman, Spider-man like the old days if the next Avengers underperforms. Even if Averangers does a billion, I could see the MCU just becoming Spider-man and Avenger movies for a while.

>>149845998
Prove him wrong.

>>149848879
ZZzzzzzZZZzzz

>>149848879
>ridiculized
>you spics
Cuéntanos más, Paco.

>>149845966 (OP)
>flops

Nope. It made money. Cope harder.

>>149845966 (OP)
How was it a flop? I live in the Middle East and watched it twice, once with my sisters and once with my brother, and the theater was 100% full on both occasions.

You could’ve fooled me, I would’ve assumed it made a billion dollars overall.

>>149848917
maybe they’ll finally make a real Hulk movie

>>149849189
Rushed to digital in 2 days.

>>149848119
>>149848181
Stfu trannies

>>149849189
>How was it a flop? I live in the Middle East and watched it twice, once with my sisters and once with my brother, and the theater was 100% full on both occasions.
Let me guess, Egypt.

>>149849201
third time's the charm

>>149849268
Saudi Arabia.
Fun Fact: Lois and Clark kissing wasn’t censored in the AMC I went to, but censored in the locally-owned movie theater franchise.

>>149849201
>capeshit isn't making what it used to
>I know we'll make an expensive movie based on a poisoned character that must be entirely CGId
did you hit your head?

>>149849189
Your middle east experience surely must be a universal one bro pfffff

Shut up and check this animated Krypto short
https://youtu.be/nPm9ezfa6Qo

>>149849376
>Saudi Arabia
That's cool. What's like like there? Do you live in Riyadh?

>>149849394
>It's totally a flop because my grifter friends say so bro

lol

>>149848667
These were my thoughts after watching the movie though?

>>149846100
Mods sold out 4chin to big money bot farm influencer mercenaries last year, thats why they removed the unique IP count in threads which let you catch them bumping or flaming threads. Asking them about it will get you banned.

>>149849471
Nobody believes you.

>>149849441
You know the box office is public knowledge right?

>>149849516
Did it lose money, or did it make money?
Do you know what the word "flop" means?

>>149849576
It obviously lost money

>>149849634
How? >>149847276
Genuinely curious.

>>149849681
Studios don't get 100% of the box office

It's hilarious how everyone on 4chan becomes accountants when a movie they like/hate gets talked about.

>>149845989
It needed 10 quadrillion just to break even

>>149849712
How much do they get?

>>149848613
Do you legit have autism?

>>149846835
At the point where the copyright laws don't apply anymore and become fair use. Then IP holders could give less of a shit and the only people who would care are those who try to make something themselves which again would not spread far and wide if you could imagine.

>>149849681
Those are fake numbers. They spent 4 trillion dolars to reset reality, because this is actually the 957 attempt at a Superman movie. And that's not counting the cost of plundering Africa to extract its resources in order to market the movie.

>>149849233
Gunnfags… I don’t know what we’re going to do to recover from this… it’s over

>>149849733
Generally about half.

>>149849733
not that anon but my understanding was that theaters get around 50% of the box office

>>149849382
is there any evidence CGI screen time impacting production budget in 2020s or are you pulling this out of your ass

>>149849802
>>149849812
Superman already made over double its budget so it’s turning a profit now. OP is just a seething retard. Superman is getting a sequel.
>>149846657
MoS didn’t flop you retard. Green Lantern flopped. WB wouldn’t have given Batman to Sneeder if MoS was a flop. It just didn’t perform to their insane expectations. This time around Zaslav had more realistic expectations.

>>149849802
>>149849812
Not relly, that depends on the deal in place with the distributor, which can get up until 90% of the BO in the initial weeks. The longer the movie goes on in theaters, the more the theater gets, usually.

>>149849887
Something something it actually took 600 million to make

>>149849886
>huurrr is CGI expensive???
/co/ in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen

>>149849925
compared to set design, studio time and Hollywood actors? pressing X to doubt

>>149845966 (OP)
Ignoring the fact that all estimates point to this film making at least over 600 mill by the end of its run rendering all "ITLL NEVER MAKE ITS MONEY BACK" point moot, I think the real reckoning that most studios(and corpos in general) realize that the US is in for hard times and that the billion dollar guaranteed blockbuster is over, and that studios need to be more practical when making movies again to get bigger profits from smaller grosses.
The reason why the big wigs still have confidence in James Gunn is that if for his next film they only gave him say under 200 mill, they know James gunn will say "I can make it work" and that's why ther are confident in his project for DC(and for the record his Sucide Squad film was under 200 and looked just as good as the Superman flick, he can do good with less)

>>149845966 (OP)
>Current gross of $332.4 mil is the third highest gross this year

Pay no attention to the misinformation of bitter Marvel fans.

>>149849791
It's funny because big studios usually pad their production numbers so they can argue they didn't turn that much of a profit when the taxman comes a-knockin'. I seriously doubt blockbusters cost as much to produce as the numbers the studios release say.

>>149845966 (OP)
People want patriotism and Christianity.

>>149849887
i wouldn't know. if we assume the box office gets halved, what can we spitball for propaganda/advertising?

>>149847228
Yeah

>>149845966 (OP)
I don't really care about its performance. I liked it.

>>149847143
>Nowadays you can make hundreds of millions and still get called a flop because words don't mean anything anymore
If it makes less than it's budget it's a flop. The Marvels, for example, did make 200 million dollars but had a 300m budget. Even if it did make hundreds of millions, if it cannot make its budget back then it is a flop. Not to say Superman is a flop, and while I liked it a lot, it's objectively not a great look that a Superman movie only did half as good as an Aquaman movie.

>>149850010
outearning Jurassic World even just domestically is pretty wild

>>149846100
They’re literal bots made by shartroons to drive traffic down
If you go there and you’ll see threads talking about it

>>149847353
>straw man fallacy
>straw man fallacy
>straw man fallacy
>straw man fallacy
>straw man fallacy

>>149850303
You are close, but not quite. The sad reality is that the purpose of the bots isn't to drive traffic DOWN.
Its to artificially inflate site traffic UP so as to disguise the fact that 4chan is way less populated and active than it was just a few years ago. This is also why the bot posts are all asking stupid questions or just making caustic insults: they are tries to invite REPLIES. Either answers to the question, or angry responses and arguments. Because this bumps up site activity a little.

Its all to cover up for the fact that the site is dying before our eyes due to mismanagement, bad moderation, and the era of the anonymous internet coming to a close.

>>149845989
No but capeshit is obviously dying as a movie genre

>>149850550
>era of the anonymous internet coming to a close
What era will be next then?

>>149845966 (OP)
Superman 1 and 2, Returns and Man of Steel were already good Superman movies.

interesting to know that /co/tard cope about this movie went from "haha it's gonna be bad and it's gonna flop" to "haha it's bad and it's flopping" to "haha it's good but too bad it'll flop" all while it continues to be a financial success

>>149850337
You're saying you're a flop, OP

>>149845966 (OP)
how about a superman movie where superman is actually the hero of the story and not yet just another "comic relief white guy" who spend the entire movie getting rescued or told what to do by female and minority characters.
western writers are absolutely terryfied of depicting white men as anything but weaklings or idiots, let alone actually cool and competent heroes.
same thing with F4, female characters are all tough and serious girlbosses while male characters only exist to simp for them and getting rescued or beaten up by them.

>>149850728
OP is a crossboard poster from /tv/, did you not notice he makes the same threads there

>>149850738
You sound like an insecure ESL.

>>149850706
I can never consider Man of Steel a good Superman movie thanks to "Stop my invincible son!"

>>149850749
that makes sense, I didn't notice because /tv/ is an abysmal cesspool and I'm already testing my sanity levels with this board alone

>>149845966 (OP)
Its a failure to me because its got people pretending Mr. Terrific is their favorite superhero, its Black Panther all over again

>>149850565
ALL genres are dying as theatrical movie genres. Maybe game adaptations will have a few years. But theaters themselves are dying. It won't be immediate or soon but the peaks of money that could be made are over.

>>149850795
The main problem with the movie is that it shows Superman being powerful, but not good. At best he's riddled with insecurities, as a byproduct of being raised by a sociopathic moron.