Thread 149897549

One of the three original Nicktoons but unlike Rugrats or R&S, his show had zero cultural impact or influence on the animation industry.

Since he’s now owned by Disney you don’t even see him on 90’s Nicktoons shirts or Nicktoons crossover games.

>>149897549 (OP)
He's likely relieved his show has the least retarded fandom out of the 3 Nicktoons.

I think you care more than he does

>>149897549 (OP)
>his show had zero cultural impact
Eh, it was watched and enjoyed by countless kids who grew up in that era. Definitely remembered by millennials and a source of nostalgia at least. It's not a totally forgotten show, people made tons of Doug memes and bring up the characters sometimes.
>influence on the animation industry
Arguably had a big influence by inspiring all the kid slice of life shows.

Disney Doug sucked compared to Nick Doug though, I'll give you that. Granted, I barely watched a full episode of Disney Doug so I'm talking out of my ass, but I didn't like the changes.

>>149897549 (OP)
Doug was huge in the early 90s during the era where quirky and weird was in vogue. It only fell off in the later part of the decade because other shows took the general slice of life premise and did it way better. For a while there Doug was a pretty unique show though. I don't think he's pissed at all, he had his moment in the sun and got the rights bought out by fucking Disney right as that sun was setting anyway.

Also Doug did have notable cultural influence on the internet, it basically pioneered the concept of "taking a kids show and putting it into surreal situations with weird art". There's so much bizarre Doug shit that was made online from the 2000s to early 2010s.

>>149897549 (OP)
>his show had zero cultural impact or influence on the animation industry.
Were you born after like 2006? There were a fuckload of shows clearly inspired by Doug.

>>149897652
>Also Doug did have notable cultural influence on the internet, it basically pioneered the concept of "taking a kids show and putting it into surreal situations with weird art". There's so much bizarre Doug shit that was made online from the 2000s to early 2010s.
For me it's Helter Skeeter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls4DgFwWoTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQXtiaO9vCo

>>149897668
Thanks was looking for that image. Though
saying "Doug in Elementary School" is weird, Doug was already in elementary school, albeit 6th grade. Middle school is Disney Doug though.

>>149897702
I think whoever made that image forgot that fact since most of the kids honestly act more like middle schoolers and Doug "graduates" in the finale

>>149897549 (OP)
Jim Jinkins basically got to write his own contract with Nick, which allowed him to stipulate a minimum episode count or the rights would revert back to him. That's how he, not Nick, was able to sell the show to Disney. Jim Jinkins is the guy John K. pretends to be.

>>149897549 (OP)
>Gets to have his own cartoon air on a major cable network
>During what's basically the height of said network's cultural reach
>Gets to negotiate his own terms with the network in a Danny Antonucci-tier "how the fuck did he get away with this" fashion
>Show is incredibly popular for the better part of a decade
>Right as it's falling off and after production's already ended, sell the rights to motherfucking Disney
>At the same time as this happens, a bunch of new kids cartoons come out that are basically just "Doug but X"
I don't think he's terribly upset at all. In fact I don't think you were even alive during this era if you think Doug had zero influence.

>>149897713
Yeah that makes sense.

>>149897789
Also overlooked is that after Doug Jinkins went on to showrun something like half a dozen preschool/young children programs. Dude is remarkably successful for an animator.

>>149897872
He even had a Hoyt'n Andy's Sportsbender, which was lost for a while. Was meant to air on ESPN in 1995 before Disney bought the network. I think it aired on some international networks in the past and it's now actually available now on Tubi. Interesting to see a more adult cartoon from Jinkins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VztxOdlxuOg

>>149897906
>Disney's discovery of Jinkins working on this series during its acquisition of ABC and ESPN was one of the catalysts in Jumbo's sale to Disney
According to TV Tropes. So this show being made is what led to Disney Doug, if accurate.

Every 90s kid watched or knew what Doug was and people still meme Mr. Dink. What more does it need?

>>149897549 (OP)
>zero cultural impact
A fuckload of memes and Mr. Dink still survives partially due to Vinesauce's weirdly wide-reaching influence
>or influence on the animation industry
The late 90s to mid 00s were fucking filled with shows that took Doug's core premise and did something slightly different with it

Saying Doug left “zero influence on the animation industry” is genuinely the funniest shit ever. You can dislike the show but it absolutely inspired many, many slice of life cartoons as pointed out earlier.
>>149897757
>Jim Jinkins is the guy John K. pretends to be
Kinda true to be honest. Ren and Stimpy absolutely had influence and changed the industry as well, but John kinda fucked over every creator after him when it comes to creative control. Because of his inability to work with Nick, they got a tighter grip over his series and found out they could just fire creators and keep the IP, and have lots of control over what creators made. John fucked everyone over and Jim was one of the few creators who actually got a fair contract.

>>149898345
At the same time John inspired Cartoon Network's original cartoons when he was doing consulting for Fred Seibert, so it balances out.

>>149897668
>Recess: Doug in Elementary School
Recess was fucking Hogan's Heroes in Elementary School you dip

>>149898392
Recess should honestly be "Doug meets Hogan's Heroes", but that image is like 20 years old.

>>149897549 (OP)
Doug actually reran on regular Nick for longer than Ren & Stimpy on a regular basis. Doug reran till 2003, while Ren & Stimpy was gone after 1998 though it did come back during the second half of 2000, before being pulled again

Even if it wasn’t great. It did get a movie and series finale.

>>149898384
Huh, is that what got him the “tidbits of poor taste” credit in 2 Stupid Dogs? I always wondered what the deal with that was.

>>149898487
Yeah pretty much. He was a consultant for Hanna Barbera and gave some advice on Two Stupid Dogs.

Funny enough, Donovan Cook also worked for Spumco on Ren & Stimpy before making Two Stupid Dogs (although he was already planning the show before Ren & Stimpy).
https://bakertoons.blogspot.com/2011/08/donovan-cook-interview-part-1.html
https://bakertoons.blogspot.com/2011/08/donovan-cook-interview-part-2.html

>>149898559
>You worked at Spumco on Ren & Stimpy?
I did, yes. For a little while. I was at Spumco when all the really nasty stuff went down, when Nickelodeon shut it down. I left Disney, I was 22. I thought it would take me few months to sell Stupid Dogs. Ha ha. Took a year and a half. So in the meantime I did a few things and I was fortunate enough to meet John K. and spend some time there. I had never done any television work before so my first lessons in how to make TV cartoons was at Spumco with John K. so that was a great time for me. I learned alot from John, and Ron Hughart was there. Ken Bruce and Dan Jeup were there at the time. Those guys were all there directing and I came in as an assistant director and really learned alot about television and how to keep it from getting too rough around the edges. But then all hell broke loose. Luckily that happened right around the time when we had just finalized the deal with Hanna-Barbera so the timing was okay. So I left Spumco and went directly to Hanna-Barbera to start working on Stupid Dogs.

>>149898571
>What did you do as an assistant director at Spumco?
Spumco was a great place. They were very hands on. They did what's called character layouts. Once the storyboards were done you would make story reel, or what people now call an animatic, to time out with the storyboard and the dialogue tracks. And then instead of immediately shipping it out overseas they would do character layouts, where alot of really talented artists would do, not all the key poses you would use if you were to animate, but, say, if you were going to have a scene you were going to animate with it was going to have maybe twelve key poses, in the character layout you would probably do maybe four or five of those, the really, really key ones. And so as an assistant director I helped work with the directors in timing some of the character layouts and if something wasn't working I would do some fixes to it. So I was there as a second hand to some of the directors, dealing with timing and character poses and things of that nature.

>>149898581
>How did you pitch 2 Stupid Dogs? Who did you go to?
Specifically at Hanna-Barbera? We pitched Stupid Dogs pretty much anywhere. I think the only place that never got us to Stupid Dogs pitch was Disney TV. At the time nobody was really making short cartoons. John [Kricfalusi] had been doing it on Ren & Stimpy.

Just to be clear on the timeline, we created Stupid Dogs before the Ren & Stimpy pilot came out. Some people have been a little nasty about saying that Stupid Dogs was a ripoff, and if you watch the two of them back-to-back they're very different shows. John K. is a really amazing guy but he had different sensibilities than I do and the people that made Stupid Dogs, with me and Hanna-Barbera. So when I went to work at Spumco on Ren & Stimpy I had already pitched the show everywhere and we were in the long process of making a deal at Hanna-Barbera.
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>>149898559
Later episodes of 2 Stupid Dogs did get pretty Ren and Stimpy-ish.

>>149898571
> I was 22. I thought it would take me few months to sell Stupid Dogs. Ha ha. Took a year and a half.
>being 22 and having to wait a year and a half to get your cartoon made was seen as a “struggle” back then
Creators in the 90s lived life on fucking easy mode, I swear.

>>149897549 (OP)
Doug had tons of cultural impact. I was at a friends wedding a couple months ago and people spontaneously broke into doing the Doug theme because the bride's father was named Doug

>>149898613
>People the 90s lived life on fucking easy mode
Fixed that for you. The 90s were unironically a golden age.

>>149898613
The 90’s was the era when actual talented people made it into the industry, nowadays the only cartoons that in the smallest chance ever get picked up were created by people who draw like this

>>149898627
This. You could literally work at Walmart and afford a house.

>>149898392
You're missing the point; the fact that Disney even /made/ a show about elementary schoolers is Doug influence. There werevery few shows about normal kids before Doug, and certainly not in the 5 years before it.
You realize how rare it is for Disney to specifically seek out an individual IP because they see worth in it? Disney saw Doug and thought it was a valuable IP.

>>149897549 (OP)
id say hes more pissed the inspiration for patty married roger... and got breasts and he never got to play with em.