Thread 149917976

I don’t get it why does this piss off right leading people ? Did they really think Superman was conservative?

ikr?

4chan doesn't like it because they hate everything positive and optimistic.

>>149917976 (OP)
>If you don't like the movie where Superman loses every fight and cries like a bitch in every other scene, then you're a rightoid
Gunnfags are so retarded. Literally everything the board warned us about Snyderbots became true for Gunnfags

>>149918066
(You) want to see a movie where he's a Mary Sue?

>>149918021
this image is fake and gay. not even a real dc poster.

>>149917976 (OP)
The movie is Reddit slop.

>>149918054
I’m not even talking about 4chan. Mostly X. The people that don’t like it are mostly right wingers even within the Snyder fandom

>>149918066
But none of those things happen lol

>>149918161
Please, explain concisely and clearly.

>>149917976 (OP)
i think it mainly pisses off people who hoped for a good movie

>>149917976 (OP)
>>149918130
More specifically, they wanted an unfeeling automaton of crimefighting and vengeance, ie Snyder's Superman, ie Homelander without the self-aware writing.

>>149917976 (OP)
RC Cola Superman.

>>149917976 (OP)
Some part of overcompensation. Like that Knghts Watch guy ranting about Krypto and saying they're making Superman weak.They have this idea that Superman is an ultra omega man that never shows emotion.
Others like Mauler and his ilk (although they are lefties) seem to hate it for the money and have flimsy criticism of the film.

>>149918172
>Mostly X
Whenever people say this I keep thinking they mean /x/. I’m gonna keep calling it twatter for that reason. Maybe there’s a middle-ground, twattex?

>>149917976 (OP)
>I don’t get it why does this piss off right leading people
The movie itself doesn’t, really. It’s more the endless narratives of “this is what we need right now!!”

>t. Voted for trump 3 times and enjoyed it.

>>149918253
>Mauler
Didn't he criticize Snyder's Superman for exactly being "an ultra omega man that never shows emotion"?

>>149918142
https://www.dc.com/blog/2017/08/25/superman-a-classic-message-restored

>>149918268
I mentioned it because the clip where he is telling Alex that he is human went viral. All the people that find it bad are right wingers. Also they mad because Superman got beat up in the movie.

>>149917976 (OP)
He still abides the law no matter who's in charge.

>>149917976 (OP)
As a "right leaning person" I think Legacy was great and I enjoyed it a lot in the theaters. The people who really hate "Superman Legacy" are a certain brand of aspiring culture warrior and bizarrely enough certain pro-zionist people. My personal reading is that the Boravia vs Dharcampur is a parallel for the war in Ukraine and that these people should stop incriminating themselves because the reasons they hate new superman for say a lot about them. But also there has been some wining on the left, complaining about Superman and how he represents western imperialism or colonialism or some such nonsense, another case of self incriminating criticism.

>>149917976 (OP)
Superman is a New Deal Democrat, that’s right of Goebbels today

If anyone needs an example of the left being winy about Superman, I got it right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXA73UgjFX0&ab_channel=ScienceFictionwithDamienWalter

For any Superman fan who might be a leftie this is what leftist criticism of warhammer 40k feels like to non leftists.

>>149917976 (OP)
Remember that one guy who kept posting about how much he hates "good characters"?

>>149917976 (OP)
Because right leaning people are whiny fucking bitches.

>>149918130
Yes. Mary Sues are fine as long as they're men with big cocks that I can self insert into.

>>149918557
I'm not sure if Boravia vs Dharcampur is really the Ukraine war, since Boravia's like 100% Eastern European and Dharcampur's 100% brown desert people.

>>149919070
>men with big cocks that I can self insert into
Too easy.

>>149919070
This.

>>149918698
>leftist criticism of warhammer 40k
As a britbong oldfag who has been playing 40k since before 4chan even existed these will always be the most laughable culture warriors in existence. 40k is the British sitcom of sci-fi settings: Everyone is awful, and that’s funny. That’s it. It’s no deeper than that.

>>149919070
I also just hate women

>>149919309
>these will always be the most laughable culture warriors in existence
Certain kind of person just hates joy and feels empty inside so they attach themselves to causes and fandoms but always make it about themselves more than anything else. Sucks that internet can do this to your brain.

>>149919103
>100% Eastern European and Dharcampur's 100% brown desert people.
Sure but in that case it's not a metaphor for Arab/Israel conflict since Israel isn't exactly a Slav nation now is it? And as far as we can tell there's no October 7th equivalent, where Dharcampur did some kind of an attack against Boravia, as far as anyone can tell Dharcampur was more or less minding it's business while president Ghurkos and Lex where plotting a hostile takeover. Ultimately it is it's own thing and it doesn't have to be a metaphor for a real life conflict to work as a plot point in a superman film, that said I think that the Ukraine/Russia angle works better especially with Ghurkos offering land and resources to Lex, as a sort of evil version of Trump's resource deal with Zelenski.

>>149918066
>Superman loses every fight
he doesn't lose every fight though. he's so much stronger than the Justice Gang he can solo the kaiju while avoiding collateral damage entirely and even trying to nonlethally capture it.
He curb stomps the engineer by Inazuma Dropping her from fucking space even with his face covered
The instant metamorpho asks to rescue his son he bursts out of Lex's pocket dimension prison and defeats all the guards
He beats Bizarro in a collapsing dimensional rear and ends up smashing him into a black hole
Lex is crying tears of rage as he shouts how much he hates Superman before Krypto mauls him and he's imprisoned

>>149919976
>far as we can tell there's no October 7th equivalent, where Dharcampur did some kind of an attack against Boravia
isn't there literally a moment where people say it's fine to genocide jarhanpur because they're terrorists?
It's israel-palestine more than russia-ukraine because the country doing the genocide and invasion is a longtime United States ally in the region and the people being genocides are poor and brown and with a very young population without a proper standing army. Ukraine and Russia are using comparable equipment with a mix of former Soviet stockpiles and donated western equipment, of anything the country with technological superiority is the smaller one being invaded which is the complete opposite of boravia/jarhanpur.
Similarly, Boravia plans to gift some of Jarhanpur's land to Lex once they bulldoze it and take over the area so he can plaster his name all over it, that's LITERALLY what has been proposed in Gaza with Trump going on about how much beachfront property it has and Israel and Netanyahu proposing to gift Trump land to build a resort. Being eastern European just means the president is Ashkenazi instead of Sephardic.

>>149920257
>isn't there literally a moment where people say it's fine to genocide jarhanpur because they're terrorists?
No, the one guy on the street just says maybe Superman shouldn't have gone to Boravia because without the context it just looks like Superman escalated a global conflict for no reason
Lois does vaguely allude to Jarhanpur not being seen in a positive light due to past events but no one's saying they deserve to die

>>149920257
You watched a movie where the bad guy started a proxy war to eradicate x, smuggled weapons through underground tunnels, held hostages even a baby hostage in underground tunnels, ruins x's reputation through a well organized smear campaign with an army of online monkeys, spread conspiracy theories about x's origins, right wing nutjobs go on talk shows talking about how they hate x etc. This all why x goes out of his way to save civilians and still gets critisized for it. You then went on to connect this movie to Israel because people online told you it was about Israel and decided to ignore everything that could possibly connect this movie to Israel because "brown people"?

I just find the way you people pick similarities to be far to simplistic it's like you didn't watch the movie and are just repeating what you were told to say. You hear this for every fucking movie nowadays it's hard to take seriously, even fucking Godzilla is somehow about Israel. Yes you can draw parallels to real life for certain aspects of a movie but the idea that this movie was written to be so obviously about Israel is laughable, Gunn would have failed if this was the case. When you take a character who is in some capacity supposed to represent Jewish people in America and move him into real world politics dropping him into the middle east he is going to resemble Israel and in some ways he does if you really want to go there (I wouldn't) but you can't ignore this when you are trying to take the movie into the real world.

These are two fictional countries in a largely anti-war movie, if it came out a few years ago or a few years later you wouldn't think it was about Israel/ Palestine. I could pick a random topic out of a hat and draw more fucking parallels claiming this movie was about that random topic and still have more actual points to back up my claim as I don't have to ignore 90% of the movie and topic unlike you

>>149917976 (OP)
We just hate the fake positivity and virtue signaling that Gunn inserted into it. That's it. I'm not even a Snyder fan, but at least his movies were apolitical, unlike this mediocre flick. Too bad everything else about Snyder's movies (except the visuals) was terrible.
Superman should be a serious superhero, not edgy like Snyder's or "dumb funny" like Gunn's. He should just be serious and normal. He shouldn't be saving some third world people or talking to a dog. It's not a comic book, it's a movie, a serious art form. Also, Superman has always stood for Truth, Justice, and the AMERICAN Way, which means respecting and defending traditional American values, as the 1978 version did.

>>149920592
>Superman has always stood for Truth, Justice, and the AMERICAN Way
Correct.
>>149918021

>>149917976 (OP)
*Hic!*
BUUUUUURRRRRRPPPPPP!

It's strange because the movie has a fundamentally right wing message which was part of why I didn't like it.

>>149920257
>Being eastern European just means the president is Ashkenazi instead of Sephardic.
Oh, I didn't receive the memo that Ashkenazi Jews are now Orthodox Christians who speak a Russo-Serbian mix, and I also didn't know that both the Serbian actor Zlatko Buric, who previously played an Eastern European drug lord in Refn's movies and a Russian oligarch in Triangle of Sadness, and the literal Russian actress Tatiana Piper, who played that hot Boravian chick in Luthor's HQ, are Jewish-coded now. Thanks for letting me know, heh.

>>149918874
Such a midwit approach to the Superman and Lex Luthor dynamic, ugh

>>149920623
The fact that the character was used for propaganda purposes a few times in the past doesn't mean that a whole movie should be dedicated to that propaganda.
American Way = freedom of speech, first and foremost, not "equality," "diversity," fake "positivity," or any of the other imaginary leftist values that Gunn decided to insert into his movie for no reason other than to keep the "orange man bad" agenda afloat.

>>149920861
>American Way = freedom of speech, first and foremost
Tell that to Epstein's BFF.

>>149920653
This WHOOOOOOOOOORRE killed a BOOOOOOOAAAAARRRRRR.

>>149920579
a U.S ally engaging in genocide while literally promising to give beachfront property to a billionaire in return for support is literally the plot of the movie

>>149920579
I mean if you wanna take the "dude superman is jewish!" stance, then Superman in the movie is explicitly an anti-war, anti-zionist jew who rejects the idea of israel even needing to exist.

His parents literally wanted him to be like Solomon have a thousand wives while ruling over earth, he explicitly REJECTS this message and instead replaces their message with the Kents who are salt of the earth god-fearing christians from fucking Kansas. Superman. If Superman is jewish in this movie, he's an anti-zionist jew who thinks israel should never exist (which is literally what some orthodox jews do believe). If Krypton is Zion, Superman absolutely rejects the idea that you can just build a Zion 2.0 on Earth and rule it and claim it's jewish.

>>149917976 (OP)
They think old + white = conservative.

>>149921237
Yep. When in reality conservative just means racist.

>>149917976 (OP)
I've only seen pro-Israeli types pissed off at this, what are the other folks upset about this time?

>>149917976 (OP)
I'm right leaning and I'm not mad in the slightest. Ho eayly I this k its a good movie and people are larping more of a problem than there is.

>>149917976 (OP)
Theyre bad people whom mistake strength for cruelty.
I wish it were more complicated then that.

OP and people are like him are fags because they struggle to shitpost over this movie so they default on off topic pol nonsense

>>149917976 (OP)
Why do you care what people has to say about movie about a mascot for a mega corp?

>>149919359
That's based.

>>149919070
Kek

The problem ain't that he is or not conservative, but rather that he's written to be a whiny faggot. You can be kind and also assertive. This whole script looks like it was written as a SNL parody of Superman. THe target is the very specific childish mind of the redditor who needs constant validation by society and specially, people above them. The only way in which they can respect someone with a higher status is if this person tells them they're ok too.

It's cultural warriors being annoying and liberals pretending they read comic books #resistance bullshit. Superman wasn't a progressive figure, he was just another bullshit “great” white man character. Was he created by Jews? Yes, but that doesn't mean those Jews (mostly white) were progressive themselves. It took decades to have non-white characters in the Superman comic book, and when they did, it was in the most outrageous way. I think Kirby was the first to have a more “ordinary” black character, even though there's nothing ordinary about the Black Racer. I personally think the culture war is a waste of time.

>>149918142
Your pedophile president is fake and gay.

>>149921797
He felt very faithful to the comic books, just a quasi-apolitical figure fighting unidentified enemies. Someone noticed how the US is entirely absent from the conflict. But “muh evil corporations.”

>>149920861
you're a fucking idiot.

>>149921132
It wasn't about land as they state very clearly in the movie, he just wanted to eradicate Superman and started a proxy war to do so, starting to sound a little familiar when applied to the current situation you want to drag in? You can't pick and choose parts of the movie to try make a point especially when the movie explicitly contradicts you.
>>149921204
You think the people in the world today who literally have harems and want to take over the world by outbreeding you are zionist Jews?
>which is literally what some orthodox jews do believe
Those guys are literally waiting for a superman like figure to come to earth and create Israel for them. I don't think you know anything about these religions anon

>>149921892
and Superman explicitly rejects the idea he's a Messiah figure in any way (in stark contrast to snydershit) or anything besides a normal man.

>>149917976 (OP)
I enjoyed the movie but I can't tell if it's just standard capeslop that social media hyped me into liking or if it's actually good.

>>149917976 (OP)
The idea of the ubermensch is appealing to them. Finding out that said ubermensch is someone that actually feels and shit, that's less appealing. They want a god, not a man who is just doing what he can.

>>149921892
>he just wanted to eradicate Superman and started a proxy war to do so, starting to sound a little familiar when applied to the current situation you want to drag in
yeah like Netanyahu explicitly funding and supporting Hamas for the express purpose of disrupting any attempt at Palestinian statehood or moderates gaining power.......

Hawkwoman killed Netanyahu

>>149921892
I thought the film did a terrible job of portraying the conflict. And the idea that Hamas is not a terrorist group is fucking hilarious. If we go by the film's politics, we have an even worse film. But dumb politics is something true to comic books.

>>149921943
They just want the aura farmer that Cavill’s Superman was

>>149921943
>Finding out that said ubermensch is someone that actually feels and shit, that's less appealing
It makes sense for Supes' to be a wholesome hero, otherwise he can have one bad day and he could obliterate the planet with one giga punch.

>>149922153
Cavill's Superman always looked sad.

>>149921943
So, a Mary Sue.

>>149920783
Only retards use midwits as an argument.

>>149921996
I think your script is broken. You are just grabing a random talking point about a conflict completely unrelated to the movie or anything we are discussing, what are you even trying to say, I don't remember the part of the movie where what like Superman was actually funded by a Netanyahu figure the entire time? It's just incomprehensible you made no effort to talk about the movie. I think this sort of proves what I suspected all along, even you don't think this movie is about Israel/ Palestine you just want to shout about Israel/ Palestine and attack a movie everyone else enjoys

>>149917976 (OP)
>I want a superman that doesn't look miserable like Snyder version.
>I also want a superman who acts sled realized who already knows who he is and is emotionally composed, so his identity isnt shaken by a video of his parents getting translated or he isnt getting upset by shitpost on twitter
Is that so hard?

>>149921932
>I can’t tell if my feelings are my own any more
That’s kinda fucked, anon. Maybe lay off the social media a bit.

>>149922197
And barely a character

>>149922422
>attack a movie everyone else enjoys
who's attacking it?
hawkgirl killing Netanyahu is one of the reasons Superman 2025 is a great movie. Lois Lane exposing Lex self-dealing arms to Boravia while not actually making a profit because it's just an excuse to wipe out Jarhanpur and kill Superman is great. This is one of the most comic book evil Lex Luthor's we've ever seen adapted, he's so much better than the garbage Jesse Eisenberg "my daddy beat me so I distrust strong sky man" Lex we got from BvS


I'm not attacking the movie, I love it and think it's significantly better than Thunderbolts was (which is basically Suicide Squad if everyone was a generic supersoldier with lame powers except Ghost) and Fantastic Four (where mister fantastic can stretch like ten feet without crying and The Thing does literally nothing). I even liked peacemaker season 1 despite its crass humor since it did the "secret invasion" body snatcher plot surprisingly well

>>149917976 (OP)
>Muh direction brain
The conflict is in your imagination.

>>149918172
>I’m not even talking about 4chan. Mostly X. The people that don’t like it are mostly right wingers even within the Snyder fandom
Those are pajeets LARPing as right-wing tradbros for engagement so they can get free muskbux and then live in luxury in their shit-covered third world country.

>>149917976 (OP)
>Did they really think Superman was conservative?
He fundamentally is conservative. He fights to preserve the status quo above anything else. He protects the social order that exists, rather than trying to change it to fit a new ideal. He respects the law, he respects the authority of the state, he always tries to frame his actions in a way that fit with the governing ethos of his nation.

What else do you call that but a conservative?

Unless you're some kind of simpleton who thinks conservative means bigoted and xenophobic.

>>149922472
Well that’s the thing isn’t it? Superman’s foundation came crumbling down when it was revealed he is actually Kakarot, not Kal-El

>>149922852
>He fights to preserve the status quo above anything else
the status quo of people not being killed by bank robbers?

> He protects the social order that exists, rather than trying to change it to fit a new ideal.
how does stopping bank robbers uphold any ideal other than "stealing is bad"

>He respects the law, he respects the authority of the state
golden age superman was untrusted by the cops, he was a crusading vigilante man who ran to catch criminals who thought they were safe

>>149922852
>fights to preserve the status quo above anything else
he was literally an interventionist beating up foreign dictators and forcing peace treaties in the golden age. That's the opposite of the status quo. Batman is the status quo nigga so obsessed with it he will literally break the joker out of jail and prevent him from being executed for the one murder he didn't actually commit. Superman does fucking regime change as a Friday morning.

>>149922921
You try to make him revolutionary. But he wasn't.

>>149922976
Batman could literally run for mayor of Gotham, or even Governor of New York if he wanted, or hell even President of the United States and legally and lawfully have all his villains executed without needing to give the cope "muh judge jury and executioner" cope speech.

Meanwhile Superman actually DOES topple unjust regimes and when Lex is president he opposes him and gets him thrown out no matter what supposed legal power Lex wields to oppose him. Batman is definitely the more "conservative" and status quo obsessed hero. Hell, Batman is even a NIMBY, he refuses to let other heroes even TRY to fix Gotham despite Flash and Superman being totally capable of rounding up every last one in an afternoon.

>>149922708
Again you just ignore virtually everything we said and start posting about other random unrelated nonsense. I'm happy to just accept this as your concession and move on

>>149922986
Superman LITERALLY started revolutions and overthrew dictators nigga, Batman is the fag who won't even let Joker get the electric chair for fear of upsetting the status quo. It's just usually some fictional eastern European or Asian country so DC doesn't have to worry about offending people IRL (except for when it was literally Nazis in the 40s), but Superman is a hero who will actually topple country's governments and institute forceful democratic revolution if they're sufficiently unjust.

>>149922986
just saying that claiming he stands for upholding the status quo is a huge stretch, unless its the status quo of not having meteors hit your house

You're cherry-picking. But that's just 1940s basic enemies. Bad Nazis, bad Guidos, bad yellow people. The movie is about Superman bullying the leader of the country without regard for people's opinions. Do you really think there wouldn't be any backlash? And you didn't feel icky about the portrayal of the conflict, it's not really like oppressed people in the real world. I'm not going to get into the politics, because it's deliberately cartoonish, comic book politics. I think we should stop trying to always elevate our trashy stuff. Not everything has depth; some things are made for entertainment. The movie was fine, but the politics weren't.

>>149917976 (OP)
Retards

>>149923053
>Superman LITERALLY started revolutions and overthrew dictators nigga
Not really on canon my dude.

>>149918142
>f-fake nooz
Good lord, Trumptards are actually, literally retarded!

>Immigrant to America
>Parents want him to act for the benefit of the motherland
>Decides to ignore that and be loyal to America instead
>Also, doesnt like Israel
This movie is about remittances and American support for Zionism.

Rightards aren't happy unless they get pandered to. They literally want to drink the flavor aid if they think it hurts the people they want to see hurt

>>149917976 (OP)
I am conservative, am I supposed to be mad? The movie seemed mid and I didn't like the casting choice for Lex Luther, but mad? This is bait, isn't it?

>>149924395
lol

>>149924395
Then what was Warworld about you tertiary?

>>149917976 (OP)
Snyder

>>149921124
>I'm not as think as you drunk I am!

>>149925164
What’s wrong with Hoult?

>>149917976 (OP)
Just and entire thread of salty fags angry people don't like their bitch made Super-Pooper-Scooper Man, directed by James Dudd. didn't even do as good as Syder slop. Imagine getting blown the fuck out by Jeeters.

>>149925415
> I'll cherrypick
I can also cherrypick grossly racist Superman stories. Why do people insist on this revolutionary bullcrap? And it really bothers me how it's just “muh corporations,” but in the movie, the US takes its time to take action. When the reality is quite different.

>>149918587
What do you mean? Taxing the rich and investing on improving the lifes of the working class is viewed as communism now. Even back in the 30s, FDR's detractors accused him on selling America to the soviets when in fact he saved America from communism

I wanted it to be a real-world situation. Super white, goes to some country, falls into a trap set by the local dictator in charge, can't do shit because of the meat shield children, comes back crying that people don't abide by his worldview. It even reminds me of something about hawks falling.

>>149920861
I remember just some years ago, saying to not be racist was after-school crap that everybody accepted. It was cringe and definitely didn't apply to real life but still nobody questioned it. I accuse the social media. Racists used to seethe in silence but after social media became available, they could express their rage online and found many people shared the same opinions so they didn't feel bad to be openly racist anymore

You make the shitty politics of this movie out to be something more important. I cringe at the unidentified country and the racially ambiguous people. What do they believe? What's the deal with the dictator? It's never explained. You just know that the prime minister and the bald guy are bad.

>>149917976 (OP)
I'm an outsider because I'm left wing (for real and not in the Hillary way) but I hate pedoman and instead love the DCEU. Politics aside, I love good movies and pedoman feel like a MCU flick with DC characters. Besides, there's nothing more leftist than rebelling against a big corporation and the workers doing what they want and that's what Snyder did with Justice League

>>149918183
>Terrible sense of humor
>constant undercutting of dramatic tension for cheap gags
>The goddamn worst cinematography i've seen since the flash (same guy so makes sense)
>A fragmented shitshow of a first half of the narrative; feels more like 2 episodes of TV mashed together that then ends with an actual movie.
> All excused because Krypto is a cute heckin pupper!

It's honestly a pretty good adaptation of what superman should be, it just sucks ass as a movie

>>149917976 (OP)
>straight white man saves the day and kisses his straight white girlfriend
>good vs evil
>safe for kids
>no cussing
>upbeat, positive, brightly colored
Oh nooo yes I hate it so much

I'm absolutely tired of these gay offtopic politishit threads masquerading as Superman threads.
Please, mods, just ban amerilards IPs for a week, I just want to see how much the board would improve and how quickly this shit would disappear.

>Artificial insemination: Evil
>Natural sex between a man and a woman: Good
What did Snyder mean by this?

>>149926454
I'm used to the animated series version of Luther, and I think the dweeb route wasn't the way to go with the character. Plus, in a previous movie didn't they try to make him a Heath Ledger Joker rip off?

>>149929098
Lex Luthor is just whatever the writer want him to be. Sometimes he is a pathetic cuck, sometimes he is super intimidating, there is no real consistent characteristic between different incarnations beside being bald and super smart.

>>149918066
Did you even watch the movie? He wins every single fight except the first one

>>149917976 (OP)
he was conserving as much as possible throughout the movie though

>>149917976 (OP)
the right were never intelligent anon, it's not hard to answer your question

>>149922852
All conservatives are pedophiles, so there's no way superman is a conservative

>>149919976
>Sure but in that case it's not a metaphor for Arab/Israel conflict since Israel isn't exactly a Slav nation now is it?

Leftoids believe Israel is a White European settler nation and that most Israelis are Eastern European

>>149930343
where's the lie

>>149930343
>Leftoids believe Israel is a White European settler nation
And what about the Jews of central and western Europe? Or the Jews that never left? Whatever, it's ether not an allegory or a bad allegory I'll let you chose which.

Do the Israelis getting mad at this film not realise the script was written well before the October 7th incident? Yeah stuff happened before that date but they're also supposed to be ignoring/denying that, so why are they getting upset at this movie?

>>149920592
>No one is actually good, everyone is terrible and if they appear good they're tricking you
You're telling on yourself, Lex.

oh im a sneed rocker yes i am
oh im a feed rocker yes i am

>>149920783
Luthor is made of SEETHE, but when you see it from his perspective, Superman is the real bad guy.

>>149920592
>I'm not even a Snyder fan
You should be. Most low IQ cynics love Snyder.

>>149917976 (OP)
I’m right-wing and I found one of the better capeshit movies of the last few years. Superior to Snyder’s bullshit in many ways

>>149918228
Yes. I want the Superman that Luthor sees by his eyes.
Give me that movie

>>149920592
>He shouldn't be saving people in need
Huh?

>>149918054
Yup

>>149917976 (OP)
Superman isn't a jew.

>>149917976 (OP)
>Did they really think Superman was conservative?
Yeah

>>149932874
Superman is illegal Immigrant

>>149933060
He's white, therefore he's all-American.

I was enjoying the movie until clark got emotional in almost every conversation. The action scenes are all shot like that flash movie which funny enough I enjoyed. The action scenes are worst here somehow, maybe because I dont care about the characters. I also preferred brown super girl.

The ending speech legit terrible, needed a rewrite.

>>149918294
why are misquoting some youtuber slop channel to push your weird schizoid narrative?

>>149933060
White immigrants (comics Superman) can never be illegal in america lol. Literally the founding stock

>>149918698
That Pa Kent scene will be memed after we're all dead.

kek

>>149931015
Luther is a good villain with a shit enemy. Imagine Luther going up against the avengers, batman, Spiderman.

>>149920592
you're piece of shit for making me read some of that.

>>149921864
>He felt very faithful to the comic books
which comics?

>>149917976 (OP)
A central tenet of modern conservatism is that altruism is a lie. That good people that want to help others without ulterior motives simply don't exist and anyone that appears that way is a bad actor hiding their true goals. That we cannot all get along and must enact "necessary cruelty" to keep outsiders in line and anyone saying otherwise is just trying to help outsiders take over. They despise Superman because he's everything they claim can't exist.

Basically conservatives are all Lex Luthor.

>>149922856
It's weird how more mature goku was when he found out he was from a race of violent savages. He never hesitated to help and stop evil. Killed his own brother to save the earth.

>>149922472
>I want a boring character with no room to grow and no arc to complete
It's a good thing you're not allowed near scripts, then.

>>149928336
iron man movies were more pollical savvy than this slop. How we have fallen.

>>149931801
modern audiences need a goofball main lead who doesn't dare show righteous anger unless its for a cute doggy. Pajeets can get a bullet to the head, ex girlfriends and rivals can be imprisoned but never show any anger. Whine and cry yelling your heart out. Lex shouldn't be crushed into paste, no no, he must be lectured for his evil.

>>149933873
>I want a DARK and SCARY Superman
Shut the fuck up, Lex.

>>149933766
Conservatives consistently are show to engage more in charity and voluntary work than leftists, no matter the social and economic position.

>>149933873
Just do yourself a favor and leave the Superman fandom.

>>149933902
Whatever you need to tell yourself, buddy
There's a reason they call leftists "bleeding hearts"
There's no hate like Christian love

>>149933902
>Conservatives consistently are show to engage more in charity and voluntary work than leftists, no matter the social and economic position.
Because they do it out of the promise of paradise.

A fundamental belief of Conservatives is that they're "punching their reservations to Heaven" by doing Good.

>>149933908
>>149933891
superman doesn't work without Christianity.
egalitarian values only work if the nation is one religion and believe in a higher power. Lecturing the bad guy for being evil always falls flat. He will never repent, it's why the avengers kill all their villain's. It's how you write for a modern atheist audience.

>>149922856
Thats why Byrne Superman who was born on Earth as an American and three away.most.of.his kryptonian heritage was the proper Superman we need

>>149933891
Yes we wsnt a vengeful Superman.
We want a clensing, and the left is afraid

>>149933972
>this moses allegory created by two jews doesn't work without christianity
you're retarded

>>149920592
>He shouldn't be saving some third world people
Spotted the Zionist.

>>149918054
Contrarianism

>>149934055
That might as well be a separate character, he couldn't even fly then. Sorry mr jew, superman is a Christian character with Christian conservatives morals from his parents from Kansas.

>>149920861
>wants freedom of speech
>but then wants to shut down other freedoms
You're a fucking idiot and your cult leader is a pedophile. Supes has always been supportive of everyone.

>>149933060
He's a foundling, not an immigrant.

>>149922852
I'd say a conservative is someone unwilling to change their own preconceptions about how the world works and about what is important, undependently of their political affiliation. Or someone who is willing to change the world but not themselve. I'd call Batman a conservative, not Superman who is meant to represents Americans on a more global scale and to be the best of them. I'm not a Burger but it doesn't really make sense to call him a democrate or a conservative for this reason. He leans both way and he is a savior figure. If he represents anything it's American's imperialism and either their need for a hope/savior or their savior complex.

>>149933972
>superman doesn't work without Christianity
>He will never repent, it's why the avengers kill all their villain's
>mfw
How the fuck are you able to type with all that shit in your brain? You didn't just miss the plot, you've deluded yourself into thinking it never existed.

>>149934304
>Why is superman good?
>Because his upbringing
>Why are his parents good, where do they get their values from?
>Umm they're just good

You see why atheist superman doesn't work, the speech falls flat. Modern audience want their villain's to get their comeuppance. They even mocked his moral system by having hawk girl kill the president. In fact all his attempts at being good fall flat and the modern heroes save the day.

More like Sloperman lol

>>149934182
We only want to cut freedoms of ones not deemed worthy to be called humans

>>149934414
>Why are his parents good, where do they get their values from?

Being Southern white people, duh.
South is the best US has to offer

>>149934414
It's hilarious how you keep telling on yourself by insisting it would be impossible for Clark and ma and pa to just be good people without someone imposing values upon them.
Looks like >>149933766 was spot on. You don't think good people exist.

>>149934513
Even if you're born "good", which is false for most people. You need a moral ground work. Most of our laws come from Christianity.

>Do not steal
>Do not kill
>Do not harm others

These lessons are taught to children.

It sounds silly to a modern man living in a post Christian society but we were at one point violent savages.

>>149934618
Bitch, almost every single religion preaches those things. It's almost as if there's loads of people who are kind by nature.

>>149934618
>yes, I do not believe good people exist
I'm aware.
You people are like closeted gays that think all straight men sometimes crave dick

>>149934649
if people were kind by nature we wouldn't need to tell them to not rape or murder.

>>149934774
Guess what? I already rape and murder all I want. Because the number I want is zero. You're telling on yourself a lot.

>>149934820
>I already rape and murder all I want.
May god, help you find your way. I pray he can forgive your sins.

>>149934874
>didn't even read the rest of the post

>>149934900
no one has any idea what you're yapping about. You sound dumb. Can't even defend your own egalitarian atheist world view.

>>149917976 (OP)
They would like for him to be a nationalist symbol, but he fails the ethnic purity test as he isn't human. His values applied globally to protect people, not just American interests, makes ripe for anti-rightwing messaging, especially considering Luthor is an evil billionaire. The story then becomes about a super powered immigrant saving the world from an unaccountable billionaire.

>>149935161
Hes white and has southern values. He pasess the test

>>149935115
Nah, you're just moving the goalposts and acting like a cunt over nobody believing your "We need religion or everyone instantly becomes an asshole" view for a second. I'm not gonna argue with someone who refuses to even read to pretend they won some magical debate over my soul, I ain't got time for that.

>>149932874
>>149934163
erm

>>149935388
On the surface. Being powerful and living as a cuck journalist fighting a billionaire is lefty.

>>149936108
You think Jewish creators can't write characters who don't hold the same faith as them?

Are you being serious?

>>149935388
he has southern values (hospitality and family) not "southern" values (kill everyone i don't like)

>>149929360
>>149920095
I see you wore the thickest glasses when you went to watch the movie, anon. You may want to try again with normal glasses.

>>149920783
Lex is ultimately the nerd seething at the jock.