Thread 149949370

Do modern cartoons really have a 'filler' problem?

Do you want me to start your thread for you?

Many cartoons wouldn't have a filler problem if they had an actually episodic format and didn't try to go full loretism over the course of one or several seasons.

Filler is a word for anime adaptations which outpace the manga, it doesn't apply to episodic or partially episodic American cartoons made as original productions and pretending it does is just missing the forest for the trees. Adventure Time was better with less lore bullshit

>>149949370 (OP)
They have a padding problem. Nothing will happen until a specific episode, no overarching plot, nothing lore wise, just randomly one episode introduces plot guy, or device that suddenly launches the story. Star Vs goes from crazy magic girl in real world to crazy magic girl has to stop the big bad evil. Silly half-alien boy goes from silly adventures to suddenly space genocidal colonists trying to capture him. The problem is nothing starts off telling you it'll be some serialized adventure, it just starts one day and it makes all those pointless episodes where Steven talks to background nobody #34 a chore to rewatch, so you end up having several episodes no one's gonna look at again cause they don't matter.

>>149949370 (OP)
Amphibia has NO FILLER you stupid, retarded, nigger FAGGOT!

>>149949434
This
The problem is when shows cultivate large happenings in the plot and then slip into periods of inconsequential episodic
And even then it’s less of a problem if the stuff is good or relevant in other ways
NOBODY gives a shit about Onion’s faggy retard gang

>>149949370 (OP)
Isn't "filler" technically just an episode that does't move the main plot?

>>149949370 (OP)
I liked amphibias "filler" more then its lore shit

The issue with SU is that its filler usually ignored the gem characters especially in the later seasons. Had the townie episodes been replaced with episodic adventures focusing on the gems and now so much the townies SU wouldve been received better

>>149949370 (OP)
I want to "fill" her pussy with my cum if you get what I'm saying

>>149949370 (OP)
Not really, like there is an issue to be made if it feels like the show is running in place or retrospective wastes of time iike >>149949688 said.
But if a show can make the "filler" seem worthwhile or a part of the larger series then its fine.

I will argue that the road trip arc from Amphibia did it best, mostly thanks to the illusion of forward momentum it provided.
For those who don't know the show spent a good chunk of the first half of Season 2 with the main cast going on a road trip to reach a city on the other side of the continent. Because of this scenario, not only was the show able to present different adventures from its season 1 setting but was able to interweave stories that were just one offs with worldbuilding and future setup, all while using the general eastward journey concept to always make it feel like there was some form of progress by portrayal of continuous steady momentum..

Filler only becomes an issue when you impede plot.

Steven Universe has huge revelations followed by characters doing nothing about it for weeks.

Anne goes home, knows a fucking invasion could kick off anytime, but spends 80% of her time not trying to prepare for it.

>>149949370 (OP)
No. Episodic and lore based shows are cyclical and gain and lose popularity all the time.

>>149949370 (OP)
Onion Gang was pretty abysmal.

>>149949370 (OP)
lorefags deserve the fucking rope

>>149950530
>toddler show reaction image

>>149949470
The actual phrase would be "slice of life". Sometimes they abuse it, specially when the main plot ain't about the characters daily life and nothing happens.

>>149950530
You don't get the right to an opinion
http://img.youtube.com/vi/2A88g7hKma4/maxresdefault.jpg

>>149949370 (OP)
What you mean is bad pacing. Filler makes zero sense in western cartoons because all the events of the story are canon.

>>149950530
You don't get the right to an opinion
https://img.youtube.com/vi/GX_G6DiXplw/maxresdefault.jpg

>>149950530
>Lorefag
Just say you don't like serialized cartoons. I don't get why anons are trying to force this meme that lore is ruining cartoons when a vast majority of cartoons right now are episodic with zero continuity between episodes yet /co/ refuses to talk about them. Like you are ranting about a handful of cartoons that were cancelled years ago.

>>149949370 (OP)
How can there be filler if there's no comic to derail from?

>>149949370 (OP)
How? Most American cartoons are either original IPs or sequels to cartoons that were original IP, they don't need filler because there is nothing to adapt. On the rare occasion in which the cartoon does have source material to work with, they rarely ever take it seriously enough to adapt the storylines accurately or even recognisably, leading to something that might as well be made up from scratch. The average Marvel or DC adaptation seem like they only resemble the source material conceptually, and even they I suspect that's more often than not a coincidence because it's hard to imagine that a comic book like Batman, which has lasted almost 90 years by now and has had countless side-books, hasn't pretty much done every story concept several times by now. The only currently ongoing cartoon I know of that likely has some actual filler is Invincible, and in that case it's likely because they need to fill each episode rather than stay behind the source material which ended around the time the show started production.

>>149949370 (OP)
No, modern cartoons have a continuity problem.

>>149949370 (OP)
modern cartoons barely have enough episodes to begin with and you fucking thing they have filler?

I remember when twelve episodes was considered a miniseries for fucks sake.

>>149952143
and filler is almost never considered canon to the manga IP its based on.

>>149952484
It's not a matter of how many episodes there are, but the content of them
I swear, you hair splitting fags

I never watched Amphibia.

Steven Universe's problem was that during season 1 the townies blended with the alien side fairly well. They had good interactions with the crystal gems and they took part in whatever magical wackiness the episode had. After season 2, they became more separate and the townies and their episodes were like an obstacle we had to sit through until we could get back to more gem lore. Then you had Connie who actively cockblocked it from happening.

And then you get hindsight after the series ends and realize anything and everything gem related takes a sharp decline in quality after they get back from the Zoo and the townies become much more annoying.

>>149953241
I hate how the gem characters were essentially written out of the show outside of glorified cameos by season 4 and 5 and future fucking blew too. Ill always wonder why they ignored the gem characters during the filler episodes so much

>>149950586
I truly cannot understand why people watch toddler shows. I'm already in the minority that thinks adults watching kid's shows is weird when there's so many good series out there that don't have to heavily censor themselves, but I can at least see the appeal in something like classic Spongebob or Regular Show. But why would any functioning adult watch something meant for literal babies? I don't get it.

>>149953241
This. In Season 1, you had episodes where random monsters would attack the town, so it made sense why you would include the townies. By Season 4, when the Gem stories were ramping up (to an ultimately shit ending, but we didn't know that then) I could not possibly care less about Kiki delivering pizzas or Mayor Dewie running in an election.

>>149949370 (OP)
You can watch the first 3 episodes of Amphibia S1 and SKIP to the last episode of S3. You skip lots of useless filler

>>149949370 (OP)
>Cartoons only have 13 episodes
>"What the fuck, why is everything so fast? Why is there no time for characters to grow or plots to rest? This sucks."
>Cartoons don't have 13 episodes
>"What the fuck, why is everything so slow? Why is nothing happening, where's the plot? Why are we just watching the main character's grow closer together? This sucks."

I think /co/ doesn't actually know what it wants.

>>149954625
It's not that so much as it's just people here loving complaining.

>>149954739
>gif
I hope you get fucking killed
https://derp.ibooru.org/2065473
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>>149949370 (OP)
Never watched Amphibia but why the black girl homeless and have leaves on her hair?

>>149954783
She's Thai.

>>149949370 (OP)
Steven Universe has good characters, music, and action but it seems the people behind the production didn't seem to care about its world building with Homeworld and gem cultures like in season one and season 5. The stupid ronaldo filler episodes and other townie stuff made the show slow, Ironically Lars and Peridot stole the show.

>>149954911
ah thai culture

>>149954916
Lauren/Jesse Zuke clearly made the show better but Rebecca sugar hated her..

>>149949370 (OP)
No, anime fans watching cartoon have a retard problem

>>149954131
>I'm already in the minority that thinks adults watching kid's shows is weird
>why would any functioning adult watch something meant for literal babies? I don't get it

It's autism spectrum. There's adults in the world that collect preschool shows. Nobody knows how autistic people works but their brains often have child-like senses.

>>149955034
>Becky hated her because Zuke told her the truth.

>>149955162
>Ally Jessa
You know those people that hate other people who like preschool shows because of the image in their head that it's all their lives revolve around? He embodies that to a T.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GIQvamWzhXM

>>149955275
yeah you can't make shit up its real

>>149955034
Zuke sidelined peridot to focus on lapiss more so fuck zuke

>>149955464
Lapis was never used again since her and jasper feud. Probably one episode in season 4 or 5 but only when she's being a bitch. We never saw the happy funny Lapis like in season 1 ever come back.

>>149954625
These are two different people
Personally I like shows with lots of episodes that don't progress the plot as long as they are unique, interesting and well written. Like the best seasons of Star Trek.

>>149949370 (OP)
I like filler, I especially like it when you don't have to watch it. Which you usually don't you can just come back to it later for fun. It's really only bad when the show is currently airing but if you like the characters you want to see them in all kinds of scenarios not just loreshit

>>149955464
This. Peridot deserved better than to be forced into a ship with that blue cunt, thankfully it was uprooted and destroyed so Peri is free from that nightmare now

>>149955162
this is absolutely disgusting.
This guy only has five Thomas tapes and they're all shit episodes!

>>149952143
Isn't filler just padding anyway regardless if it original or not, since it just filling in dead air?

>>149949890
Filler also hurts when it's filler we've seen before. A fucking astounding number of Amphibia's filler episodes were just recycled trope plots from old sitcoms.

>>149957368
Amphibia doesnt have any filler, faggot

>>149957411
>>149954523
>>149949707
Nobody watched Amphibia, everyone on here only look at Annie boobchuy rule 63 fan art.

>>149955125
Most anime fans don't give a fuck about western cartoons, especially calarts garbage

>>149957441
>>149957659
Are you going to cry, owl tranny faggot? Why dont you try coping a little bit harder by watching Owl House season thre-pfffft HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>149958074
bot

>>149958291
>b-bot! *screeches the owl house faggot while his faggot show crashed and burned into irrelevancy*

>>149949370 (OP)
The using the word filler outside the context of anime only episodes triggers people. People who are tired of lorefags hate it because they blame them for the death of episodic shows instead of streaming. Fans of these shows hate it because they think that the episode where the characters finds a new pair of pants and get it smelly and gross like their old pair is character development.

What I would call filler is the 3rd season of Castlevania because 3/4 of it was the characters ending up the same place as they started except the writers pet n-

>>149949370 (OP)
>I want the funny show for kids to have deep anime plotlines all the time
Just watch anime you sperg.
Amphibia is a comfy show with some plot.
Nobody would’ve given a shit about Marcy getting stabbed or Anne dying if it wasn’t a cutsey kids show with Cool Monster of the weak episodes and cozy atmosphere.
Would you realy give a shit about a character getting stabbed in a full storyline based show? No you’d expect action and drama.
Without the tonal whiplash amphibia doesn’t work.
The entire appeal is „SpongeBob turns into Madoka“

>>149949370 (OP)
In the sense that they don't make "filler" episodes anymore, then yes, they do.

>>149959237
I genuinely do enjoy Amphibia. It's fun, the artstyle grew on me, and I don't think there's a single character I hate, but compared to Owl House it's remarkably shallow and it's mostly because of how inconsistent they are with the tone. If they had given the major moments some room to breathe it would've felt way better.
ex. is The First Temple all the way to True Colors. I think that was handled really well.
Conversely with Owl House their problem was ultimately not enough slice-of-life stuff, and that's only because S3 was shortened.

Owl House tranny accusing any other show of being shallow as he guzzles down Dana Terrace's rotting shit, who is solely responsible for Owl House's terrible writing and plot holes, has got to be the funniest delusional post I've ever seen.

>>149959589
I truly don't understand where the animosity over someone else's opinion on a children's show is coming from. Is this some sort of modern cartoon war in-joke I'm just too employed to understand?
All three shows in the "trinity" have some sort of merit and I'm much more interested in discussing their respective strengths and weaknesses than I am about arguing over which is less cringe to enjoy.

>>149949370 (OP)
monder cartoons have a "lets make an ebic overarching plot that we make up as we go along just liek my animes xD" problem
but you all already knew that

>>149959617
While you're humiliating yourself further defending the biggest dogshit cartoon to ever be created from the year 2020, aka The Owl House, ask yourself this about your nonexistent season 3, canceled book, no graphic novel, no artbook, no spinoff, and future sequel. Being delusional and a proud braindead Dana Shitrace bootlicker shill doesn't get you anywhere. People are laughing at you, not with you.

Meanwhile, Amphibia's story writing and production are so remarkable that the Emmys and Annie Awards nominated Amphibia among the best-written cartoon series of the past 10 years.

>>149959765
I really don't use /co/ enough to know whether this is exaggerated hatred or not, and because this is a place to talk about cartoons I'll ask genuinely: what is it you dislike about the show? Let's get a conversation rolling.

>>149956449
I dont know whats worse-shipping peridot with worst gen or trying to make peridot asexual in canon

>>149959781
Dont bother, tribefaggot is an infamous shitposter here who is a mentally ill troll. Plz try not ti engage with him.
>I really don't use /co/ enough
What site do you use instead? its Tumblr isnt it

>>149959781
Owl House legitimately is just a shitty and overrated, boring and bland, terribly written show that attempted to mask its shittiness with tranny and gayshit agenda in hopes that no one can criticize this troon series.

All those years of Dana Shitrace hyping her shitshow as the only Gravity Falls solely because she was Alex Hirsh token nepo diversity hire and his personal cumdump, only for it to fall flat and be forgotten has got to be the saddest and most embarrassing scene I've seen in my life.

>>149959802
Fair enough, I figured it was that or ragebait. And nah, I'm just a /lit/ native. I only popped over because I re-watched Owl House/Gravity Falls and wanted to talk about the shows with someone.
I was here for some of the premiere threads though, or maybe it was 8ch's /co/ board. I can't really remember.
Side note since I'm probably not gonna re-visit for a while, you got any recommendations for what I should watch next now that I'm almost done with Amphibia?

>>149959802
Please disregard this, I suck dicks.

>>149959832
>Side note since I'm probably not gonna re-visit for a while, you got any recommendations for what I should watch next now that I'm almost done with Amphibia?
If you like disappointing third act then SU. Also genndys clone wars micro series and invader zim are always god tier

>>149959798
The former because it actually damaged Peridot's screen time, you can dismiss the asexual thing as some mentally ill storyboarder's headcanon but you can't ignore the actual canon story influenced by Zuke

>>149959849
Thats sort of true actually. I think being asexual is one of the worst disservices you can inflict upon her character but sidelining dottie to the barn made her barely show up in the show anymore past that point too. I just miss my autistic green waifu, fellas

>>149950530
>>149954739
kys

>>149959892
>I just miss my autistic green waifu, fellas
Same, I hope we get to see more of her in the upcoming spin-off

>>149949370 (OP)
Ye.

>>149949707
It had a lot of "I learned something today" episodes at the beginning. Like enough to have almost put me off the show.

>>149960924
>I hope we get to see more of her in the upcoming spin-off
You and me both, brother

>>149960957
I'd only watch it if Peridot was in it anyway

>>149949370 (OP)
Not really filler just poor pacing in general.

>>149949434
Personally, I think they should stick to either one or the other. Be fully episodic or fully serialised. Don't do this half-assed, semi-serialisation.

>>149949370 (OP)
The only 'filler' problem Amphibia had was that they didn't fill'er with frog cum enough

>>149949370 (OP)
Nope, this is becoming less of a thing because shows are getting far less episodes now in the streaming era
Disney+ especially where something like the Marvel shows have 6 episodes and the Oswald show will have 3
There is no more time or expense for filler

>>149950530
kys

>>149961888
Why are shows getting less and less episodes? And why does production take longer in between seasons now even when seasons get less episodes then before? Why are production companies becoming so lazy?

>>149950530
kys

>>149958074
>Owls out of nowhere
Rent free and mindbroken

>>149963484
>rent fre-ACCCKKK! TASUKETE ANNE SAMA!!! MY OWLSHIT THREAD JUST DIED AND GOT ARCHIVED TO PAGE 10
Kwab

>>149963556
Yes, all caps seething will surely make you look better.

>>149963556
bratty loli anne needs correcting uooh

>>149963625
Owl House status: dead, irrelevant, canceled and eternally btfo by Amphibia just like their last dead thread

>>149963946
For a show that's "irrelevant", you sure think and talk about it a lot.

>>149955162
why 2 copies of spy kids

>>149964902
double the fun

>>149950530
kys

>>149950530
kys

>>149949370 (OP)
Modern cartoons typically start out doing monster of the week stuff, then suddenly decide to have a story in season 2 and then it gets cancelled. So you have to sit bored through one season then get disappointed by how rushed the story is.

>>149950530
kys

>>149950530
kys

>>149967558
Name 5 examples

>>149949370 (OP)
>Amphibia
>Filler

>>149969440
Literally 90% of season 1 is filler.

>>149970016
Retard

>>149970059
Hard truth to swallow, huh? Filler doesn't automatically equal bad, btw, but it's still filler.

>>149949370 (OP)
>Do modern cartoons really have a 'filler' problem?
I'd like to say no, but I'm not going to pretend that the first part of the third season of Amphibia wasn't filler.

>>149949470
Who even made the lore shit with ADVENTURE TIME anyway?

>>149950530
kys

>>149970059
Yes you are one

>>149963556
>proving his point

>>149970016
Season 1 suffers from the rest of the show pivoting away from the "Ann grows up and moves beyond her shitty friends thanks to lessons learned" storyline.
Because of that pivot all that mattered beyond the worldbuilding was the "Ann becomes more assertive" and "Ann learns to fight" aspects, everything to do with her friendship Sprig or learning social interactions payed off, they just became things that existed

>>149971557
Owl tranny house literally got canceled because of how shit it is ROFLMAO

>>149971908
owl tranny house lives in your head because of how mind broken you are

>>149971936
Owl House lost
Amphibiachads won

>>149972111
no one cares about the latter while some obsessed specimen took his sweet time to make that image

>>149972151
>>149949370 (OP)
>n-no one cares saars
Meanwhile, the entire internet is clowning and shitting on the Owl House for being irrelevant and getting mogged by Amphibia. It turns out Owl House faggot delusional cope weighs as much as the chances of Owl House ever getting a season three, by that I mean zero, nil, nada, zilch chance, because no one actually gives a shit about Owl House, which is the opposite with Amphibia.

What happened to your last thread, owlfag? It's dead? So just like the owl house then? Kwab (KEK what a bitch)

>>149972235
I'm not reading all that, be a good sperg and keep your seethe short

>>149949370 (OP)
Yes.

>>149949434
>Many cartoons wouldn't have a filler problem if ALL the episodes would be fillers
HOLY GET-MURKED-BY-A-PACK-OF-CHIMPS, BATMAN!

KILL episodic format, and RAPE everyone who likes it. It has been a fucking cancer on western animation, and you have to be a triple -no- quadrupple faggot to like it.

>No verification needed.
I know.

>>149972272
Get dabbed on lmao

>>149949370 (OP)
"Filler" only exists once you introduce serialized lore. Those that follow the serial plot, don't want episodes that don't contribute significantly to that plot.

>>149949370 (OP)
Not really.
It's only these two shows, specially Amphibia.
Can't take the Plantars seriously as main cast characters.
The filler of S1 is just a big filter for the show to the point of people skipping the entire season.

>>149949470
TPBP

>>149971777
I always hated that all Anne's arc mainly happens in S1... like a Main character's arc should aboard the whole show/project.

>>149972731
She could of worked post-season 1 as a stagnant character if the OG concept of the 3 way struggle was still a thing. But they traded that setup for Marcy becoming beloved so its up to taste.

>>149961737
Nah. Lupin part four shows you can mix the two styles well if you try.

>>149949370 (OP)
>>149949470
This is about right. Can't be filler if they aren't literally padding out a season to stop from overtaking the source material they're adapting. What these shows have is a bad writing problem. They either don't have enough material to fill a season, or they don't know what to fill the season with, so they waste time with vapid, boring episodes that people mistakenly call filler, but then cause industryfags to seethe and scream about how people calling things filler have ruined the entertainment industry, because now they're too afraid to write filler episodes. They will never acknowledge that the problem is in the writer's room.

>>149954916
The show is infamous for its production being pulled in multiple different directions because Sugar was too much of a people pleaser to tell any of the people working for her that the show had to be about a specific plot. So when one of the faggots decided that they wanted it to be about their favorite townies or about gay gem barn shit, She just let that happen and all that fucking time was wasted, because the show was never about that shit and it was never ever going to go anywhere, but the boss didn't have the balls to say
>stop wasting our budget on this bullshit.

>>149972640
A good balance to take is a Status Quo shift at the start and end of a season, possibly at the midseason if the show has enough episodes, and if a episode is meaningful or popular its gets one follow-up per season.

>>149950530
kys

>>149959617
>All three shows in the "trinity"
Bitch please, the owl house doesn't deserve to be part of the trinity, it was canceled.

>>149950530
kys

>>149950530
kys

>>149950530
I've seen Blueyfags jack-off about how Bluey has deep and mature storytelling that develops over entire seasons. May you die in the rain of glass shards as you hurl stones, faggot.

Why havent jannies rangebanned tribefaggot yet? Im starting to hate amphibia because of his antics and i "mostly" liked that show as it aired

>>149949370 (OP)
The vast majority of western cartoons aren't directly adapting a book, so no, they do not.

>>149974467
Owl House got a strong finale and is directly connected to the other two shows by reference. I'm starting to think that people bitching about the show haven't actually watched it.
What would you put there in Owl House's place?

>>149976193
The Owl House had a much better finale then the disappointing insult that was amphibias finale

>>149974467
>bitch please, the owl house doesn't deserve to be part of the trinity, it was canceled
Pretty much this. Owl House faggot fans run on delusions and live off eating Dana's rotting shit, hence why their shitty cartoon barely has any legacy left. Owl House is literally the inbred of the family that is locked up by Disney in the dungeon for being a disgusting freak show that nobody likes.

>>149976279
Stop replying to yourself, shit eating spammer

Mods do your fucking job and ban this faggot already

>>149972235
Aiieeeee, owlxirs, cover your eyes. Even based normies are now clowning on The Owl House for their sad, pitiful, nonexistent "legacy" and shitting on the show for being completely irrelevant compared to Amphibia. How can this be happening to our small owlshit brown clitty?

Dont worry owlxirs, Im going to post a very angry stern words and screeching about Amphibia being "bad" because my totally (irrelevant) opinion that carries (zero) weight definitely will change Disney's mind to uncanceled our flop owl show.

>>149955464
>>149955034
Zuke was the best board artist and the barn arc was good (even if Lapidot sucks)

>>149976597
How much was zuke responsible for again? I thought she was mostly responsible for the decision to write off peridot after the cluster arc ended and i hated her for that

>>149949370 (OP)
>modern cartoons
>SU and Amphibia
Both those shows ended years ago. The only modern cartoons are Glitch and streaming tax writeoff fodder.

>>149949470
>>149973022
Stuff like the townie episodes is effectively filler. It doesn't matter if there's no source material to catch up to, what matters is that these are episodes in the middle of a story arc that don't advance the plot.

>>149976613
She was responsible for a good chunk of Small-Peridot's episodes. Especially if you look at seasons 3 and 4 you can see she is responsible for most Lapidot episodes and its pretty obvious from her other artworks that she's a big Lapidot fan. So we can definitely blame her for that. But also Catch and Release, Too Far and Log Date are top tier Peridot episodes, so I can't really hate her. Peridot and by extension Zuke was the voice of a generation of autists on the web
also I really like this drawing she drew of Karkat and Dave, look at them with their iconic zuke fluffy hair

>>149957659
>Annie boobchuy rule 63 fan art
>rule 63
Imagine outing yourself as a newfaggot so brazenly. Then again, it took this long for anyone to call you out on this, which I guess speaks of the state of this site.

>>149976696
I like those episodes too but i HATE how peridot didnt join the main cast like she was meant to have done after the cluster arc and was sidelined to that hideous barn instead. Also i hate how lapiss got more screentime after that era then peridot did too because the two always shared episodes from that point forward but it seemed like lapis got more exposure and focus in them then peridot did.

The whole SU crew mustve really hated peridot since they are trying to retroactively curse her with an asexuality diagnosis now

>>149976825
I don't know about Lapis having more screentime. The only real Lapis focused episodes during her stay at the barn I'd say are Alone at Sea and *maybe* Room For Ruby (though Peridot is also there) while Peridot has WAY more episode to her own (Too Short to Ride, the Beta Kindergarten episodes, even the episode where Lapis leaves the barn is more focused on Peri). And I don't think Peridot and Lapis staying at the barn was Zuke's decision, to me that sounds very much like a Rebecca decision like "We don't want to change the status quo TOO much". And yeah, the asexuality thing is whatever, we know Zuke wrote her with the intention of having feelings for Amethyst and Lapis so its one writer's intent again another's

>>149976887
I still feel like peridot in general was sidelined more but it could be bias since i love peridot more then any other character and my perception of her being in it less at all felt like she was ALWAYS being sidelined the most even more turn lapis or other characters
>And I don't think Peridot and Lapis staying at the barn was Zuke's decision, to me that sounds very much like a Rebecca decision like "We don't want to change the status quo TOO much".
But that was the exact point when the status quo needed to evolve and the cast to expand. It thats true then sugar is a fucking retard.

Also all these images you post from old tumblr blogs makes me wish old tumblr. Modern tumblr is shit i cant make any friends on it at all

>>149976825
>The whole SU crew mustve really hated peridot since they are trying to retroactively curse her with an asexuality diagnosis now
This. Peridot has had TWO mentally ill storyboarders trying to ruin her now
>>149976887
>I don't think Peridot and Lapis staying at the barn was Zuke's decision
It was Zuke's idea in the first place, Rebecca just went along with it until Zuke spiraled out of control and was fired. After that the crew decided to sideline Peri

>>149976933
>I still feel like peridot in general was sidelined more
Peridot should have joined the main cast as soon as she became a crystal gem. Getting barned with worst gem robbed her of that and it's absolutely criminal that even after the barn the crew decided not to let her use her powers to their true potential or even build stuff like she used to except for the new robonoids in the movie

>>149977002
>It was Zuke's idea in the first place
Sauce? If so why did zuke want to sideline her favorite characters? It makes no sense
>>149977110
Thats a cool pic, do you think peridot builds robots that dick her down?

>>149977136
>If so why did zuke want to sideline her favorite characters?
Oh no I meant the barn was her idea, I believe her plan was for Peridot and worst gem to become girlfriends in that barn but it was Rebecca who decided to uproot and destroy that ship (correct decision) and subsequently sideline Peridot because she didn't know what to do with her (retarded decision)
>do you think peridot builds robots that dick her down?
Perhaps, but her favorite type of robot is herself. She realized she could build an army of geniuses and be truly unstoppable

>>149977232
Why was sugar so intent on focusing all attention on steven, a shit boring character, and the townies, more shit boring characters, while ignoring the all of gem characters AKA the only reason people watched the show in the first place?

>>149977299
Simple answer is retardation, Rebecca loved shoving literal whos down the viewers' throats especially in the middle of any interesting gem story. Even when she was doing gem stories she just couldn't help herself and added super unnecessary shit like a gay wedding that got the show cancelled

>>149977442
>Rebecca loved shoving literal whos down the viewers' throats especially in the middle of any interesting gem story.
But why? Why was that ancillary uninteresting shit such a priority for her? I have to know!

>>149977463
Anon I can't read her mind here but I believe that was just her thing. She had a thing for background characters and wanted people to know the personal lives of every single one

>>149977550
Forgot image

>>149977550
Im genuinely autistic about such things (and autistic in general) so i have an undying need to know the rationale behind the retarded motives of writers when they make hack decesions. I respect sugar in many ways but she was a terrible showrunner on SU and i dont know what bad plot decisions i should blame on her alone or from the crewniverse that she let run around and didnt tard wrangle into submission enough.

>>149949370 (OP)
No /co/ but neither of these shows are as bad as Resident Alien.

NO I DONT FUCKING CARE ABOUT THE TOWN MOVW THE FUCK ON, WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT A RESORT TOWN.

>>149976242
Never thought for TOH to have this amount of porn.
Impressive for a 2020's show.

>>149977691
Unfortunately I'm not deeply interested in researching Rebecca's vision of the show, I judge her based on how obviously retarded her actions are (like sidelining Peridot and forcing a gay wedding leading to cancellation) so I'm not the best person to speak for her, I'd suggest you research it yourself anon but I think you'll get bored eventually

>try writing my own story (for fun)
>have the key scenes and basic outline already figured out
>wait, actually, i still need to do like 80% of the rest of the story
>begin by doing "filler", but gradually it evolves into real material that supports and enhances everything else

Start learning to love filler. It's really a blessing in disguise.

>>149977763
>Never thought for TOH to have this amount of porn.
What can i say, the characters are written well and have coomable designs. The owl house and SU are the two shows whose rule 34 i fap to the most now
>>149977817
I dont hate filler, i hate filler thats boring. I am one of the only anons who likes amphibias episodic episodes but i hate all the townie shit in SU in its later seasons. Turns out if you have filler that focuses on characters people besides the crew actually like then itll be good

>>149977724
It’s based on a comic

>>149976311
How much would you bet it's actually an owlfag trying to make amphibiafags look like obsessed spammers and get people to shit on amphibia

>>149977942
It very well could be. Im an owlfag and i liked amphibia but tribefaggot is really making me resent the frog show because of his antics

>>149975978
rangebans don't work on residential VPNs

>>149949370 (OP)
No it’s a writing problem, avatar teen titans BTAS all great action and lore shows have filler it’s how you build the characters even live action shows have their filler, most Americans jsut suck at writing let’s keep it a buck, and their art is even worse so you can’t even say “well at least it’s pretty” at least japs will give you the greatest art you’ve ever seen attached the worst story conceived

Americans will never catch up to Asians when it comes to art so they have to go back to their roots: good storytelling and writing, but seeing as they hate reading and find any nuance or depth problematic that’s never gonna happen

>>149978119
How can you say japs are good artists when every modern anime girl design is interchangeable and uncreative?

>>149959807
There are unironic Owl House shitters on their way to defend their trannyslop for zero compensation in this thread, given Owl House is still as unpopular, forgettable, and bland as trash that barely leaves a mark in the industry.

>>149975973
A majority of Bluey fans are normie adults watching the show with their kids because it's comfy and relatable. Far more normal than the faggots and troons watching loreshit.

>>149977691
>>149977781
The key your both missing is that Steven is based off her and her brother, and Beach City is based off their childhood summers spent hanging out in coastal towns like Beach City.
The Gem stuff was always a secondary impulse to her, something to spice up what would otherwise be another bog standard kids in a town adventures idea, and to appeal to her raised on anime sensibilities.
The townies were always the point and Season 1A is her vision in its purest form.

>>149978319
this thread had nothing to do with the owl house until you suddenly started talking all about how bad it is, be honest are you secretly an owlfag and if not why do you post about it so much?
>tranny tranny goyslop tranny trannyslop cope tranny seethe
I don't care, answer the question

>>149978185
The same way Shooter Era Marvel Comics all looked good.
Solidly done in-house style anatomy on a consistent basis as the template with divergences sprouting from there.

>>149978471
Not sure if this is true but even if it is nobody cared about townies and the show wouldn't die if they were removed, unlike the gems. If that was her vision then it's boring and I'm glad she added the gems

>>149978185
It’s aesthetically pleasing to the eyes

>>149949370 (OP)
>>149978500
>t-this t-thread has n-nothing to do with owl house b-bro
>Noooo you cannot talk about my Dana pajeet canceled owl shitshow where 99% of the episodes are nothing more than filler episodes!!!11!!
What we have here is our first deranged Owl House retard defending his irrelevant garbage slop as the whole internet is laughing at his dead, canceled show. Why are Owl House faggot fans like this? Do they seriously think their below-subpar shitty cartoon can't be criticized in any shape or form? Your show is literally canceled, so sit down, lil bro. Let the adults do the talking.

Let's talk about how the entirety of Owlshit season 1 is nothing more than Hexshit school filler episodes. A reminder to anyone who doesn't watch this garbage cartoon: I consider you as lucky for not wasting your time watching garbage. Dana Shitrace spends 90% of her time writing these irrelevant literal whos ugly NPCs that don't progress the story whatsoever, and none of these ugly-ass NPCs has provided any significant role in the development of the main character nor the plot, let alone do they have any purpose of existing in the world. But wait, there's more! When her shitty harry potter/Little Witch Academia school ripoff filler episodes failed to get any audiences, why not just sprinkle this already unsalvageable season 1 with Lumityshit gay garbage. Yeah I have no sympathy that Owl House got canceled, man this show is the literal epitome of shit.

>>149978686
>owl house owl house owl house owl house owl house owl house owl house owl house owl house owl house
See this is what I'm talking about, why haven't you talked about Amphibia without mentioning that show even once? Do you even like Amphibia?

>>149978373
Kill yourself toddlerfag
>>149978471
That is ass, but if season 1a is her vision of SU in its purest form then why did it feature the gems more often then the seasons 4 and 5 townie episodes did?
>>149978514
>>149978575
If you think modern anime trash designs look good then you have terrible taste. They all look the same
>>149978686
Kill yourself tribefaggot

>>149978741
Why would I talk about Amphibia in a thread that talks about filler episodes in cartoons? Amphibia doesn't have any fillers, while 90% of Owl House episodes are just fillers. This is not even an Amphibia thread, so there is literally no point to focus on Amphibia here, unless this is a thread about a 10/10 show; then yes, then I'll shower Amphibia with nonstop and deserving compliments in every aspect of the show.

>>149978373
End your life
http://img.youtube.com/vi/mTbBxVCF1ds/maxresdefault.jpg

>>149978548
Here is a picture given to to Raven, one of the SU storyborders, from Rebecca herself containing prototype designs for lars Sadie and a Human that would become Amytheist once SU became a thing.
The Townies were bouncing around in her head for a long time.

>>149978876
>mentions owl house again
Hot damn he really can't do it

>>149979040
You will never be Barneyfag.

>>149979140
>Amytheist
I didn't know Rebecca liked religion

>>149979227
She is Jewish afterall

>>149978789
Don't forget to dilate, lorenigger.

>>149979814
Become dead
https://derp.ibooru.org/images/2971449
https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2022/10/21/2971449__safe_artist-colon-papadragon69_princess+flurry+heart_princess+skyla_alicorn_dog_anthro_semi-dash-anthro_g4_3d_australian+cattle+dog_bingo+heeler_bluey_.png

>>149950530
>>149978373
>>149979814
kys

>>149949370 (OP)
Anyone who watched Amphibia and didn’t realize it was an episodic comedy fantasy show either
A) Skipped literally every episode without Sasha and Marcy
B) Is retarded

>>149978686
>Literally cannot form a single sentence without including some elementary school tier insult

How does a simple cartoon mindbreak a person this hard?

>>149980886
I blame True Colors and I think True Colors was a net negative for the entire series because it portrayed a show that Amphibia never was.

>>149978876
>while 90% of Owl House episodes are just fillers
t. didn't watch the show
There's maybe five filler episodes total, most of which are in season 1. Once you get to episode 15 of season 1, there's pretty much no filler left.

>>149961737
Make it an anthology like Star Wars The Clone Wars. Or be like Samurai Jack, and Ben 10 where there is a main overarching story that can be placed in the background for more episodic approach.

>>149978373
It is literally just like MLP.

>>149950530
>>149978373
>>149979814
kys

>>149950530
>>149978373
>>149979814
kys

>>149979040
>>149979918
>>149980723
>>149982696
>>149983645
You first.

This thread is even worse since it's Barneyfag spamming bullshit and Tribefag yelling like a maniac.

>>149950530
>>149978373
>>149979814
kys

>>149981050
I accept your concession, tranny
>>149981385
That's a whole lot of cope just to say that 90% of Owl shit in season 1 is nothing more than filler episodes. Literally no one is going to get convinced that the Hexshit episodes amounted to any plot progression.

>>149950530
>>149978373
>>149979814
kys

>>149984644
you lost, get over it

>>149986560
>you lost get over it
How embarrassing. A complete descent of mind-broken owl shits solely because Amphibia mogged the Owl House.

Notice how the owltroon has nothing to show as a proof of his canceled show winning. It's just grim all around.

>>149950530
>>149978373
>>149979814
kys

>>149950530
>>149978373
>>149979814
Pic rel is the only good bluey episode. change my mind.

>>149987454
based

>>149980886
You forgot the last option
C) Fake fans that only started watching after True Colors hype and shilling

>>149950530
>>149978373
>>149979814
kys

>>149980886
>>149981051
>>149988179
Why do so many people want the frog show to be about the three humus girls even tho the main point of the funny frog show was the funny frogs?

>>149989761
Because they want to fuck the cartoon girls or see the cartoon girls fuck each other, above all else.

>>149950530
kys

>>149989761
Yurifags who missed the point of the show and why it was always intentionally keeping the three apart

filler is treated as noncanonical (new characters are never referenced ever again, items or achievements or character development doesn't persist etc)

some entire movies are filler

Filler episode, huh.

>>149984644
There's only one genuine filler episode in Owl House and it's the body swap episode no one likes.

>>149950530
kys

>>149950530
kys

>>149950530
kys

>>149950530
kys

Even though I agree with most people here about SU "townie" episodes being shit, I also kind of understand what intended purpose in writing them was. Having an extended cast of civilians who all have their own things going on makes Beach City feel more like a lived-in place instead of just being the "home base" for the Gems' adventures and seeing and knowing the humans of this world makes the Gems' mission to protect the Earth feel less abstract and gives it stakes. The townie episodes also add to Steven's characterization as a genuinely kindhearted person who's willing to go out of his way to help people and distinguishes him from the other Gems who fight for humanity but are mostly indifferent to humans themselves.

The real reason the townie episodes don't work isn't because they distract from the main story but because most of the townies are boring, unlikeable, or both so you don't really care about their problems. If the crew put a little more effort into writing these characters the episodes focusing on them wouldn't feel as much like filler. Lars and Sadie are the only townies who feel fully fleshed out and have actual character arcs. But the others are extremely one-dimensional which is why people hate these episodes so much

>>149997745
>The real reason the townie episodes don't work isn't because they distract from the main story but because most of the townies are boring, unlikeable, or both so you don't really care about their problems
Both of these are real reasons. I don't want to watch a gorillion episodes of these boring characters while there is interesting gem stuff going. Knowing Peridot was sidelined instead of actually joining the Crystal Gems while these pointless townie episodes keep getting released is simply annoying

>>149998134
going on*

>>149950530
kys

>>149993661
>*90% of owl shit episodes are fillers
Ftfy

>>149976613
I don't think zuke wanted to write peridot off, she just wanted to make her ship canon.

>>149998134
>Peridot was sidelined instead of actually joining the Crystal Gems
they should have made her the main character.

>>149999909
Yeah I'm pretty sure that was because the crew didn't know what to do with Peridot after they decided not to do the ship thing so they made a horrible decision to just ignore it. Peridot was too good for SU

>>149997745
The citizens of Beach City are extremely unsympathetic about the situation they're living in.
They don't do anything and don't seem to care. I only remember two times they reacted, when they had to evacuate the city and when Lars disappeared (this led to nothing; they just changed the mayor and did nothing to resolve the situation).

>>149999999
SEPTS OF TRUTH

>>149999998
Agreed, that would have made the show much better
>>149999999
Oh wow, that's some nice septs

>>149999999
zamn!

>>149999999
Holy shit

>>149999999
i waited too long

>>149999999
Bastard.

>>149999999
BASED

>>149999999
Checked!

>>150000029
Yeah it would have been much better if they showed the townies being more proactive in response to gem stuff. It would have actually given the episodes involving them some payoff but they never do

>>149999999
why are posts like this unpredictable at times

>>150000227
Become dead
https://derp.ibooru.org/images/2971449
https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2022/10/21/2971449__safe_artist-colon-papadragon69_princess+flurry+heart_princess+skyla_alicorn_dog_anthro_semi-dash-anthro_g4_3d_australian+cattle+dog_bingo+heeler_bluey_.png

>>150000300
I already knew a GET was coming but I really didn't think I would be the one to land on it

>>149999999
I wonder who got>>150000000

>>150000417
Wow that's a total waste

>>149999999
Impressive digits.

>>149999999
Checked

>>149999999
Impressive
>>149999812
faggot

>>149949370 (OP)
>'filler' problem?
How about you filler D E E Z N U T S!

>>149949370 (OP)
Aaiiiieeeee tasukete Dana Shitrace sama!!! lend me your hackery ways. This is Amphibia pilot episode we're up against!!!! *gets low viewership ratings* *gets cancelled by Disney*

>>150000227
Become dead
https://derp.ibooru.org/images/2971449
https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2022/10/21/2971449__safe_artist-colon-papadragon69_princess+flurry+heart_princess+skyla_alicorn_dog_anthro_semi-dash-anthro_g4_3d_australian+cattle+dog_bingo+heeler_bluey_.png

The newer cartoons always can't decide whether or not they want to be episodic or story based, so they're this weird hybrid where they bait you with LOOOOORE as a substitute for story but it's otherwise your normal kids comedy show until the very end where they rush the very obviously telegraphed bad guy. These shows want to be anime so fucking bad, but they don't know how to actually make compelling stories and are trying to do so on kid networks that are just looking for the next Spongebob.

>>149972235
Don't know what's the point of posting this if Dana said in November that she is done with the IP. So it's pointless asking for more for TOH if Dana doesn't want to.

>>149950530
>>150002286
kys

>>149954625
With Castlevania, the actual plot feels like glitched speedrun but the side story takes forever and doesn't advance the actual plot.

>>149949768
in theory yes. steven universe had a huge problem with this because the gem shit was always the most interesting part of the show, and its fillers almost always focused on the towns people who very rarely ever wound up having any plot relevance.

>>150003358
You're saying this as if that decision is from her own volition. That hack bitch got fired, her shitty show canceled, and she will never ever work on the company again.

>>149976708
I’ve come to this site since 2015 or 2016 for the memes, free shit and coomer shit. I just don’t care about coming to /co/ much after 2020 and witnessing the fall of cartoon cable channels in its worst state now. Too much /co/ anons being a bitch and acting like know-it-all smartasses really pissed me off. I guess I’m just “growing up” or “phasing out” or “changing “ . There’s mediocre cartoons shows or movies not really worth talking about on /co/ in the past four years. I don’t give a shit how many anons call me a newfag. Thanks for reading my blog.

>>149949370 (OP)
No. No, they do not.

>>149993587
Yeah. That's a thing I guess.

>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

>>149950530
This.

>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

QRD on the schizo?

>>150012780
Just ignore him

>>150013241
>of course, MLP still blows it out of the water!
YOU'LL BE FUCKING DEFENESTRATED
https://derp.ibooru.org/images/3183808
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/53326000/

>>150013241
>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

>>150013825
>>150014907
ENOUGH!!!

How can I post with all this faggotry?

And jannies, why you delete >>149983706 you sickos. You nuked my reply and not Barneyfag's or Tribefag's replies. Shameful. This thread shit enough already, but deleting my reply when Barneyfag spams crap is wrong.[/spoiler}

>>150013241
>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

>>150013241
>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

Why is this weird looking dog is blue?

>>150013241
>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

>>149949370 (OP)
They picked up the worst aspects of anime.

>>149953771
Season 4 is my least favorite in all of Steven Universe for the reason you stated, but at least had a banger episode saved for the season finale

>>150013241
>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

>>150013241
>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

>>150019254
Why they do that, dough?

>>150013241
>>149950530
>>150000227
kys

>>149999999
septuple trvthnvke

Barneyfag vs Bluey manchild is like Idi Amin vs Pol Pot

>>149949370 (OP)
Literally nothing wrong with filler episodes as long as it isn't excessive
>>149949434
Spbp
>>149972319
Dilate

>>150026600
Yeah. It's intense.

>>150027133
Become dead
https://www.deviantart.com/vanessaurufu/art/Bluey-x-MLP-882042780

>>149999999
>SU ruins a GET
What is it, 2018???

>>150000227
CHEESE

>>149950530
kys

>>149950530
>blueyfag
put me in the screencap btw

>>149949370 (OP)
Yes.

>>149977724
The show is bad. Read the comic. You'll get actual plot focus & mystery.

>>149978686
Girls! Girls! You're both just awful.

>>149972319
I'm just sick of everything being a soap opera where you have one story stretched out over several seasons. With the episodic format you watch one fucking episode and you get a beginning, middle, and an ending. Remember endings? That's when a story would actually wrap-up in a way that says it's not going to be continued. I know that's an alien concept these days where everything has to have some kind of hook because you can't just have one of something, it has to be a franchise meant to be milked for as long as possible.

>>150027407
>redditbob

>>149949768
That’s stupid
The “filler” is Steven Universe
That’s the show

>>150027666
>The devil

>>150019254
There sometimes good, right?

>>149949370 (OP)
They have a "not appealing to their child audience" problem. Nobody fucking cares about this garbage, nor is it remembered in the slightest.

>>150028977
This. It's interesting how Gravity Falls ended almost a decade ago and got far less content than SU, but because GF actually tried to appeal to its target audience instead of tenderqueer millennials, it's talked about far more and remembered with much more fondness.

>>150028977
What show is pic even describing? All I can think of is The Owl House and maybe Twelve Forever