Thread 149974640

There's literally dozens if not hundreds of popular contemporary Japanese light novel and manga series based entirely on that basic framework proving it's a sure hit. Why aren't modern Western creators exploiting it?

The japs are completely okay with writing a story about their protagonist of the Japanese masterrace with a superior culture, subjugating, judging, and civilizing the lesser savages for their ways. Westerners aren't.

>>149974640 (OP)
Why would anyone want an even worse version of the worst anime slop?

>>149974640 (OP)
Here's a question just for fun.
Why is this premise always 100× better than the reverse where a fantasy character comes to the "real world"?

Western cartoons can't write anything about video games without reducing them down to bleep bloop Atari simplicity, so a complex rpg could never exist in such a cartoon.

>>149974640 (OP)
Because it's the opposite in the west. And Japan loves gamifying isekais because they appeal to neets.

The modern anime isekai explosion is an enormous pile of shit, why would I want Western cartoons to do the same?

>>149975140
Because it requires a modicum of effort (even if it just ripping off D&D/JRPGs) rather than just pointing at "thing" and saying "wow you know thing? Look how this guy doesn't know thing!"

>>149975119
Fags

>>149974640 (OP)
John Carter of Mars was essentially an Isekai.
And Alice in Wonderland and the Wizard of Oz.
In fact that plot setup used to be fairly common in the West as it's an east way to insert a pov character who can have the setting explained to them without coming off as a compete dope.
>>149975177
Why did it fall off and get replaced by this kind of thing? It's like anti-escapism.

>>149975147
>complex rpg

>>149975507
Escapism is the lowest form of writing for entertainment; it doesn't even aim to find a common ground with the audience and hopefully help them learn and think about themselves and their world to discover a place in it, but instead it just encourages pining for a way out.

The modern Japanese spin is specially pathetic; the whole literal RPG world angle speaks of a generation that has no real life experience to share or personal ambitions beyond monetizing their aimless wallowing, and the invariably self-deprecating and self-aware comedic tone conveys just to what degree they have collectively given up.

The Western "cartoon visitor to the real world" trope is comically stagnant but at least it's based on the notion of gaining new insight about your reality from an outsider's perspective .

>>149974640 (OP)
Amphibia, Infinity Train, the Owl House, 12 Forever, Amethyst: Princess of Gemworld...

>>149975833
Maybe there is something wrong with the modern world that makes people resist conforming to it.
Escapist literature is really a modern phenomenon after all.

>>149975922
afaik none of these have an explicit videogame angle, which is the key to the modern Jap formula

>>149974640 (OP)
Isekai could be such a fun genre, but all isekai shows are the fucking same.
>Wimpy High school aged loser gets sent to a fantasy world
>video game mechanics sloppily added in for no reason
>loser guy gets power fantasy powers
>suddenly becomes fine with slavery
>harem faggotry
Isekai could be so much more, but they never actually use the idea of a modern person with modern ideas and knowledge utilizing that knowledge to their advantage. There are so many ways you could spin a story about a modern person being sent to a medieval fantasy world but every isekai protag is the same. It's such a waste

>>149974640 (OP)
Because gaming is a garbage shit medium and JRPG isekai shite ruined anime

>>149975979
>modern phenomenon
Bro what about shit like the Odyssey? Ok let's not go too far back, the first "scifi" story then "The man in the moone" written in 1638? Not saying fags today can't deal with the world either it's just that it isn't a new phenomenon, more widespread though? Yes.

>>149974640 (OP)
Because Japan also makes the games.

>>149976241
As far as the ancients were concerned that was history, not escapism.

>>149976028
Amethyst: Princess of Gemworld (the DC nation shorts) specifically have her treating it like the game she was developing.

>>149976241
I didn't finish reading the second part, it should be pointed into that the Medieval Model of the universe had always allowed for beings to inhabit the "spheres" of the moon, sun, and planets, usually some kind of superior more spiritual beings.

>>149975119
I think the worst sin of isekai slop is 'everyone living in this world is a complete retard'
What's this, there's edible plants in our surroundings? AMAZING!
Cold food lasts longer? My mind is literally blown!
I could use a fire magic item to dry myself? This will revolutionize the entire world! Here, take this mountain of gold! We were just standing around and drip drying for thousands of years.

>>149976338
I want one where the protagonist is treated like a retard because he can't ride or take care of a horse, can't name any animals, and has no clue as to the complex politics of the local craft guilds.

>>149976047
Light novels are the same type of reading category as airport paperback novels. The problem isn't in the genre, the problem is that you're reading books made intentionally to be simple and enjoyable entertainment. The kind of stuff you're talking about shows up in any "person out of time" story intended to be something more than a time-passer for mass transit.

Just a friendly reminder that just as japan has those shitty LNs, the west many many LitRPG novels that are basically the same.

>>149976338
You! The highschool student with the bare minimum of real world knowledge and no capacity to actually build, machine and or produce things at all! Yes clearly you are our destined messiah because you understand that soup is a thing. God I hate how people think the olden days were all a bunch of idiots. The people in the past did far more with far less than any retard now. Any dumbass today gets panicky if there's no wifi.

>>149976338
>>149976400
This is really the annoying part.

>>149975140
>Why is this premise always 100× better than the reverse where a fantasy character comes to the "real world"?
It isn't. It sucks and Hollywood is so obsessed with this trope that it is the go-to for every single adaptation of a popular media franchise they find (Sonic, Smurfs, He-Man, etc.)

>>149976415
seriously the past few generations have had so much made for them that they wouldn't even begin to know how to make the most basic level sit.

>>149976422
I phrase that weirdly I was saying that "Modern person goes to Fantasy world/back in time" is almost always better than the reverse.
The possible only exception is Bill and Ted's Most Excellent adventure and that was a goofy comedy.

>>149974640 (OP)
wish we got a 90s captain n movie

>>149976415
Even with a bit more knowledge, you don't get that far
>You spin a magnet around a copper wire really fast.
>How do you do that?
>You make a shitton of steam really quickly to spin the turbines!
>How do you make that much steam?
>...ummm...

>So about this calculator, it uses a series of on/off signals to do math for us, but how do you program this knowledge into a... microchip?

>>149976441
There is some pushback on that, there is like a bazillion blacksmithing amd other comparable skill channels on Youtube.
Even just hipsters knitting is something.

>>149976367
>>149976047
Sounds like you guys missed out on Ixion Saga. It's older than the current crop of isekai slop, but somehow parodied the genre really well before it even became such a blight.

>>149976482
Oh, and that wasn't even taking into consideration the material sciences needed.
How do you make a turbine strong enough to not break?
How do you make a railgun that can withstand the forces going through it?
Hell, how do you make a gun that's not actually a pipe-bomb that'll blow your hand off?

>>149976482
Gunpowder would be a lot more tenable.
Some kind of nitrate, Sulphur and charcoal ground fine.
Keep in mind primitive recipes tend to separate so be sure to mix before use.

>>149976498
I don't watch anime, Fullmetal Alchemist was too emotionally draining.

>>149976338
>>149976400
>>149976415
I have no problem with the "Yankee in King Arthur's Court" approach of a modern dude having access to useful no how, but it should be hyper specific knowledge pertaining to something they actually invested time heavily into, not just general knowledge they happen to have. Stuff like
>hobbyist blacksmith who has spent decades making swords and shit for fun gets Isekai'd, ends up becoming a renowned armorer because of his knowledge regarding modern metallurgy
>Marine gets killed while attacking a terrorist compound, ends up using his knowledge of modern warfare guerrilla tactics and makeshift firearms to arm some peasants and lead them in a revolt
>self made millionaire uses his knowledge of finances and banking to get rich again and become a merchant prince
Having the protagonist just be "some dude" is fucking stupid. Isekai type stories should try to have the main characters be someone who has uniquely modern skills who uses their past as a way to find their niche in a fantastic realm.

>>149976681
>self made millionaire uses his knowledge of finances and banking to get rich again and become a merchant prince
But what if he's, say, in a kingdom that doesn't allow usury?

>>149975833
If you think the title is bit long, try looking up the original title for "Robinson Crusoe"

>>149976482
I get what you're trying to say, but gear trains and reduction drives are ancient technology, your biggest issue would be finding a practical use for electricity in the short-term.

>>149976709
Also a financial climate where the Medicis can just send someone to break your arms if they feel like you're getting uppity.

>>149976737
And enough metal to make devices for it.
Honestly, you'd probably be better off 'inventing' the steam engine to do shit like they used if for in the industrial revolution.

>>149976778
>Invent the lathe
>Then invent everything else

>>149976400
NOOOOOOOOOOO! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHERE THE CHITTO SKIRU COMES IN THAT LETS HIM LITERALLY ADD ITEMS FOR HIMSELF? NOOOO

>>149975586
I meant relatively, and you know it. You just wanted to post that picture.

>>149976482
Reminds me of that one Twilight Zone episode where the guy goes back in time to re-earn his fortune and tries to get rich by convincing people to invent TVs and other modern inventions but because he has no knowledge of how they work or the technology to invent them hasn't been invented he's SOL.

>>149974640 (OP)
i thought the japanese couldn't get more pathetic, then i learn they love guzzling what is basically animated pewdiepie gameplay videos without a real person actually playing.

>>149976488
Just because they watch it in the background doesn't mean they have hands on experience actually doing it

>>149978079
>Just because they watch it in the background doesn't mean they have hands on experience actually doing it
Which is why it's gotta be those guys getting Isekai'd, not some rando Jap teenager who'd die immediately.

>>149976773
>>149976709
Then why are you writing the story about him and not someone else. This is fiction. This is how it works. You intentionally take someone with the skills and provide them a situation to work with them. If there's an obstacle then you figure out a work around. This isn't something that's ever going to happen. So stop being an autistic sped.

>>149974640 (OP)
Because normalfags hate gamers.

>>149976338
>I think the worst sin of isekai slop is 'everyone living in this world is a complete retard'
That and a lot of the stories didn't need to be isekai, and could've been regular fantasy stories. You don't need to explain your prodigy or chosen one as some random Jap that got reincarnated. Just play the archetype straight. Tanya could've easily just been the evil girl genius archetype but nah, she's gotta be some cynical salaryman. Not to mention the spergs who parrot that notion.

>>149978186
I'm more annoyed by the general gamification of things. I know those wacky 11's love their dragon quest but I swear it's like they often can't even process that game mechanics aren't meant to be diegetic.

>>149978186
I think it's an easy reason to have the MC constantly receive explanations about the world that a native wouldn't need to know... I think fantasy just has a little narrative text box once in a while instead.

>>149975833
I like isekai but hate the ones where the MC gets cheat skills and every dick sucks him over it. Sadly that is 90% of them but sometimes there's something good that I come across. I don't know how almost all of them follow the same setup without realizing that breaking the mold a bit is fine.
>hero from japan! please save us from the demon lord!
>villainess! i'm annulling our engagement! now here are the reasons why!
>aaaaa yamaguchi-samaaaa! thank you for bringing us the wonders of modern day japan to our world! you get all the credit for accurately recreating them with what must be your photographic memory! please have sex with me, your elven slave girl you saved mere minutes after you came to this world!
And people complain how western cartoons are all the same.

>>149976241
that wasn't even close to the "first scifi story" you anglocentric retard.

>>149978256
You can do that just as easily by having him be some rando farm pud. And even ignoring that it's a lazy short cut to try and force feed exposition and pointless world building.

>>149976681
so like every episode of 'Mézga Aladár's Bizarre Adventures' and 'Mikrobi'?

>>149978260
>>villainess! i'm annulling our engagement! now here are the reasons why!
I've never played shoujo dating games (due to, ya know, not wanting to seduce/be seduced by men). How commone is that trope in those games, or is it something that emerged from the literary side using the game's tropes?

Like how many women want their love story to end with EvilStacy being murdered on screen?

>>149978186
>Tanya could've easily just been the evil girl genius archetype but nah, she's gotta be some cynical salaryman.
Did you forget the part about god and pre-Tanya are both insane narcissists?
The salary man believes he did it all through sheer willpower and acumen with no help from the gods. He doesn't even believe in them even when one is thrust into his face and challenges him on his assertions over fate, destiny and his life. He even disparaged him by calling him Being X.

God in turn being another narcissist condemns him for not having faith in god and their plans and sends him to the other world for his hubris in which he's challenged to live and fight for survival and if he ever turns to the gods for help or dies an unnatural die before his/her predestined time she would be sent to hell and removed from the circle of reincarnation to spend all eternity there.

>>149976681
The whole concept of "self inserting" has gotten completely out of hand. Escapist fantasy is hardly a new concept but it used to be the power fantasy was to dream of being something you wished you were. Now nobody can even get into a story if the lead character isn't "exactly like me." When it aspirational fantasy it made sense because the character we dreamed of being was the cool strong and intelligent badass. Now since it's insertion and the MC has to be "literally me" we have to force too many work arounds and "cheats." Characters used to be forces of personality but now they're blank slates. People would like someone with charisma and strength and courage, but now it's the most banal and basic of virtues being treated as the highest.

>>149978390
I haven't either but it has to at least been common back in the olden times of 2020. I think they all take inspiration from the earliest games and never deviate from that.

>>149978399
>dies an unnatural die
*Death
oy

>>149978399
It's like you hear what people are saying but somehow aren't. All that does is justify why they're in the other world when they could have just as easily already been a brilliant narcissist in the other world. This is so far beyond the point it's about to lap it.

>>149978415
It's self insert vs an Idealized role model.
Conan represents an ideal of manhood, he's not how Howard saw himself.

>>149976512
Let me go to the local isekai store and pick up sulphur and nitrate.

>>149975140
The real world is boring.

>>149978531
Those are things you can get.
Bat caves are handy.

>>149975140
I honestly really hate it when they call it "the real world" to start with. way to completely break the illusion and fantasy out of the gate.

>>149978534
We are living in the result of 500 years of concerted effort to make the world as boring as possible.
The Enlightenment was a mistake.

>>149978650
Excuse me, the Renaissance was a mistake.

>>149978562
Explain how to turn bat guano into nitrate.
And how to identify sulphur from other deposits.
No google no references.

>>149978159
>Because normalfags hate gamers.
The only based normalfag opinion

>>149978659
Agriculture was a mistake

>>149978846
Many were increasingly of the opinion that they’d all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans.

>>149974640 (OP)
I hate this premise. And did anyone else notice the Chinese ones are always about the hero having cheats or glitched skills? Does that speak to their cultural sense of honesty?

>>149974640 (OP)
Why can't we get isekai WITHOUT video games or DnD settings? Like

1: the son or daughter of a physicist sneak to dad's job, has an incident with a hadron collider, and is transported thousands of years in the future, when humanity is living on orbital stations with alien races

2: Protag is somehow transported to a world where humans are still in the Neanderthal stage, and various predator species have instead evolved to occupy homosapiens' place in the world. No, they don't speak English. Protag has to learn universal species patois. This ain't some hmofa shit.

>>149979005
Both of those things have happened
The second one even has a sequel were the mom gets hooked on isekai light novels because she can't believe her son is dead and her old boyfriend comes back and tries to help her move on

>>149978853
In the Beginning, God created the Universe. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is widely regarded as a bad move.

>>149979217
Man I need to sit down and reread this sometime

>>149978415
>but now it's the most banal and basic of virtues being treated as the highest.
Because losers are somehow so up their own ass that they outright reject wanting to be better. Whether it's because they think everyone else is the problem or because it's just too hard to be better.

>>149974640 (OP)
Portal fantasy has potential to be fun but it's so mined out with cheap derivative bullshit and the fact not-DnD and "video game fantasy" have become the default settings. If you want good portal fantasy, you need a good, thought out setting for it.

>>149978260
Konosuba is literally the only good isekai

>>149980388
You know I read an isekai where a guy's consciousness possesses a chinese warrior centuries ago and I remember liking it since it was a historical setting and lacked all the dumb isekai tropes as a result. Only issue I remember having is the person he isekai'd into was way more interesting than the protagonist.

>>149978442
>It's like you hear what people are saying but somehow aren't
It's called autism.

>>149974640 (OP)
Remember that portal fantasy (or at least the core concept of the main character waking up in a completely different reality) was something Britain and America did LONG before Japan fell in love with it. Narnia, Oz, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, Connecticut Yankee, Three Hearts and Three Lions, Flash Gordon, Barsoom, etc.

Japan was introduced to these stories at the same time TTRPGs and video games based on TTRPGs were sold to the public. Fantasy anime/manga/light novels/RPGs are all very gamified as a result.

Harry Potter is to blame for why Isekai took off in the way it did for the 2000s. The books and movies did very well in Japan and manga/VN publishers had no shame in ripping it off.

>>149980969
So why exactly are all portal fantasies from anime based around vidya shit? I dont know what a TTRPG is

>>149974640 (OP)
If you consider Captain N and Narnia and Wizard of OZ and Through the Looking Glass. Isekai is a really old maybe culturally played out or been done concept creatively within western culture. I mean especially now, I'd expect a remake or spinoff of any of the things I mentioned rather than a new game world IP.

>>149981062
>So why exactly are all portal fantasies from anime based around vidya shit?
Because the nerds that write them all love Dragon Quest.
>I dont know what a TTRPG is
Shit like DnD.

>>149981062
Because TTRPGs (like DnD) and the first computer games adapting them (Ultima, Wizardry) were introduced to Japan around the same time fantasy fiction took off in response to fantasy movies being released in Japan.

The gamification being such an integral part of J-fantasy also has roots in how Xianxia and Wuxia fiction operate. There's a lot of overlap between cultivation fantasy and RPGs.

>>149975140
Half the runtime isn't them learning how to use a toilet.

>>149976725
This. Old Western literature did long titles a lot for the same reason. The switch to short came when it was assumed people would pick up a book they were curious about (the original mystery box).

But there's so much white noise, people are less inclined to do that now. We're slowly working back towards longform and in the cringiest way possible.

>>149981584
this reminded me that there's an isekai about a kid using various toilets and his knowledge of them

>>149981653
Name?

>>149981357
Would Dante's Inferno count? Barely?

How many reverse-isekais are there? Star Vs? Dragon Maid?

>>149974640 (OP)
As much as I fucking love isekai and have literally imagined myself getting whisked off to a fantasy world of my choosing I genuinely can't think of which of the major studios would even make such a series, I feel like you'd either have to go to Amazon or Netflix to pitch that idea. It COULD work but you also have the problem of running into the high guardian spice debacle because it turns out weeks get mad when westerners try to make pseudo anime. You'd have better luck just abandoning the anime aspect altogether potentially and going with something more cartoony perhaps. The most recent example I can think of a cartoon like this actually being made is Press Start exclusively on Peacock about a kid getting sent into the video game world but its unfortunately not that entertaining since it's content made for kids

>>149980329
God I miss when we called it portal fantasy. Or just you know.... FANTASY. I don't what is up with this past generation where they always feel the need to attach a shitty term onto something that's not only been around for ages but already was pretty well catalogued. And if that weren't bad enough the second they do they basically turned the whole thing into a madlib. The fucking old DnD cartoon one had more thought put into it. No template shit just dropped some teens in a magical world of danger and good fucking luck.

>>149981682
Isekai no Toilet de Dai wo Suru
Dungeon Toilet

>>149980388
That series was meme tier trash. Get fucked.

>>149981696
Sailor Moon technically. They all die on the moon and are reborn on Earth. And if we don't fight pollution we'll end up dead too.

>>149976482
A simple water wheel would do the job. The real trick is not getting burned as a witch.

>>149981983
>The real trick is not getting burned as a witch.
You realize that didn't really happen that much and water wheels are old as fuck. Like BC old as fuck. You're not impressing anyone. They're not gonna think you a witch they're gonna think you a retard.

>>149982011
But yon water wheel bringith forth sparks of lightning now! Surely He hath rendered the mill satanic!

>>149981983
>The real trick is not getting burned as a witch.
It's a fantasy setting, retard. Magic's everywhere.

>>149976378
This. Isekai and light novels are the very definition of slop.

>>149982457
Depends. Not all fantasy setting view witchcraft as ubiquitous or good.

Isekai is only as interesting as its protagonist.
I remember some guy on /a/ mentioned an isekai where the MC is some edgy sorcerer who had a lot of shit happen in his past life, but I forget the name. But the vast majority of isekai is dogshit in part because the milquetoast self-insert protagonist is boring to follow.

>>149978343
I appreciate you shilling obscure shit here.

>>149981696
There's a few mixed like the original Amethyst where the main was actually reverse-isekaied as a child so the "isekai" is actually them returning home even though it's another world to them. Wildfire is another one that does this.

>>149976681
the funny part here is that there are isekai about exactly that kind of stuff happening

>>149978531
See, I don't know much about the world, but I know how to identify gunpowder and nitriate.

>>149978832
>Explain how to turn bat guano into nitrate.

We're gonna get the guano and do a bunch of shit until its nitrate. I don't have to know the exact science to know we can just fuck with it until we get the desired results.

I've heard people figured out you can let pee sit until it turns into ammonia or whatever. Maybe we could try letting the guano sit in a variety of conditions until it changes.

>>149981722
Most people on social media are too young to know the older terms, so they just come up with new ones. Sometimes to their own detriment, like how twittards invented "goon" because they didn't know "fap" existed, which could've saved them an extra precious character.

>>149982779
goon was niche colloquial term used on SA by the porn addicts and their setups for extended sessions. it broke containment and enter the wider lexicon.

>>149981696
Pretty much any of those THIS SUMMER movies where the character ends up IN OUR WORLD!

>>149982152
people knew what electricity was

>>149982779
>Most people on social media are too young to know the older terms
That's another problem in and of itself. There's zero reason they shouldn't. They weren't knew when I was reading them and they weren't knew when my father was. This stuff isn't hidden from them they just refuse to do any amount of basic research or effort. They'll stumble across the first example of something and act like it's theirs.

>>149982671
>I remember some guy on /a/ mentioned an isekai where the MC is some edgy sorcerer who had a lot of shit happen in his past life, but I forget the name

>>149983283
Barely. I'm pretty sure you could make an impression with just a leyden jar, assuming it isn't one of these worlds where everybody and his dog uses magic. (though tech could be an interesting workaround for the magically challenged isekai victim)

>>149983283
It was God being mad because someone in the village jacked off.

>>149979042
The second one happened, huh? Did it really? Cuz I mean SAPIENT ANIMALS/ Anthros, not humans with pasted-on animal ears and tails, or some bullshit where the males are sapient animals and the females are 15 year old 99% human girls with said pasted-on animal parts. Did THAT happen?

>>149974640 (OP)
I dont want to self insert as the character I want to experience an adaptation of the source material, I fucking hated that shit when I was a kid and I hate it now. I am not amazing I dont want to bring down the other characters to my level, as a normal guy, when theyre supposed to be amazing characters that we want to observe. I literally cant wrap my head around it, I want to see Megaman being megaman not megaman bonding with le self insert and becoming best pals. Thats gay as fuck and its somewhat insulting to my dignity which is maybe why I find it so pathetic. I dont watch any anime like that either for the same reasons, Captain N sucks ass.

>>149980329
Narnia has merit because the Lion character is a reference to the irl Lion of Judah so.... if more stuff was like that it wouldnt be an issue.

>>149984746
Narnia has merit because the characters have to actually rise up an accomplish shit.

>>149978415
I completely agree. I want stories about actual fucking characters, not shitty bland nothing's that exist solely as a vehicle for self inserting.

>>149984652
It's honestly pretty impressive how bad suits miss the mark in this regard. We don't need or want a perspective character. Especially if they're going to be an annoying dweeb. If you're a fan of Zelda you want to watch Link's adventures no Retard McJacket acting like a pud. Kids took their stuff kind of seriously. This was our gateway to imagination and adventure. We don't want that diluted.

>>149981513
>The gamification being such an integral part of J-fantasy also has roots in how Xianxia and Wuxia fiction operate
Those sound like made up words to me. What does any of it mean?

>>149978846
primordial soup was a mistake

>>149985413
Chinese court culture influenced how they perceive deities, magic and social ranks.
So spirits/gods go up in power according to their rank and their responsibilities. Likewise martial arts have ranks based on experience and mastery.

So in Wuxia, which is usually about martial artists or fantastic warriors. And Xianxia, which is more straight up fantasy.
There are concrete power levels (where Dragonball got them) and touchy self-centred superheroes who want to be respected based on their rank and hence power level.

>>149975507
It's called A Princess of Mars you PHILLISTINE

>>149976060
>movies = visual
Stage plays are visual too.

The unique aspect of movies is editing/montage. This is what sets it apart from other forms.

For video games, it's interactivity.

>>149985282
theyre getting better with it nowadays but some people itt pointing out how the japanese stuff is dilutiing it all with self insert into fantasy world and make a harem shit.

>>149987135
What are >>149975922 ?

>>149987283
Narnia. None of them needs modern tech.

>>149981722
I hate it too. So many categorizations and subcategories for categories. It's unnecessary. I fell that it is just because it's the hip new word so to belong, people just roll with it. I mean people used the word "POV" without even knowing it means "point of view". Maybe it's a sign i'm getting older, but even people around my age adopt these terms and it feels off putting. I'm also sure I'm guilty of it too when seen to the older generations.

>>149982832
>Smurfs
Dear God…

"bro what if my vidya were real" is some of the worst shit to ever inflict fantasy and even the concept of "isekai", which has always existed. And you don't even need to go as far back as Mark Twain, there's tons of isekai anime that existed before SAO made it into the slop it is today
I have no strong opinions on Amphibia but being transported to a frog world is more interesting than another "dragon quest but real"

>>149975507
>)
>John Carter of Mars was essentially an Isekai.
>And Alice in Wonderland and the Wizard of Oz.

A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court is a pretty prime example of that genre.

Even to the point of the hero being ludicrously overpowered in the setting; towards the end of the book, the main character and about a dozen of his followers slaughter tens of thousands of soldiers with Gatling guns and electric fences.

>>149976482
>>149976415
are you just fucked when it comes to this regardless of who you are then

>>149989503
idk if sao entirely counts as it, not in like the same sense as other isekai in a way

>>149989503
idk if sao would count as isekai in the same way

>>149989809
NTA but all these vidya isekai anime came about because SAO started the trend

>>149989809
Everyone's physically still on Earth so no.

>>149981734
I've read that manga a bit. Damn, the author has some weird fetish about where you take a shit. Think a translator stopped working on it because it got too weird for him.

That's kinda what makes Arifureta interesting. MC knows that the world he and his class was a death trap and had to find a way to GTFO of there ASAP. But events, a mangod, a 1 dumbass bully conspired against him. The trauma of betrayal turned him into Doom Slayer meets Guts. Had he not heard Yue being betrayed as well, he would turned into Keyaru or worse, Kratos. And yeah they boned for solace after experiencing Early Game Hell that was the Orcus Labyrinth

>>149991048
Translation work was eventually continued but it got axed anyway.

>>149983740
Interesting thing about the novel is that it was written in English but the author was born in Korea and later when to college in the US. He wrote the novel as a hobby until it got popular.

The webtoon that is based on it is one of the top five in Korea and Japan. It's one of the main reason it got an anime based on it.

By the way, reason he was poisoned in his past life is a plot point that becomes important later.

>>149976367
Konosuba then. Massively popular and the MC is the weakest. He doesn't revolutionize the world with his otherworldly knowledge because there are many otherwordlers already. He only has luck to his name and eccentric teammates with specializations that happen to work for defeating the unfair enemies.

>>149975119
And yet, brown girls did it twice. Both flops, but they did it.

>>149989809
It ironically does not and yet all modern isekai takes from it

>>149982671
I remember seeing video talking about a manga that was about a violent American mercenary who gets Isekai'd. It had the shitty "video game mechanics" trope, but I liked it because the dude was basically just a hyper masculine action movie villain. After a bunch of other characters who were Isekai'd with stupid over the top powers started talking shit because his only skill was "bomb making", he just starting bombing the shit out of the kingdom.
I want more anime protagonists like that. Can't for the life of me remember what it was called.

>>149991396
>Amphibia
what's the other one
Also one of the only isekai anime actually worth talking about is a brown girl show released long before SAO slop became popular, so once again brown girl supremacy and even the Japs know it deep down

>>149974640 (OP)
What western games are still relevant to modern audience and work for this concept?
>Doom
>Fallout
>Undertale/Deltarune
>Fortnite

>>149991703
Minecraft
Minecraft is the most obvious game for an isekai, and playing the game alone shows that. You're just this random guy suddenly showing up in this lone desolate world, learning things on your, surviving on your, nature is cruel, you find simple humble locals and some ancient ruins suggesting what happened, discover magic on your own, technology and other realms.
I think because it's such a meme and sandbox game that people just never think about it seriously, and that's why you got chicken jockey

>>149991835
Chicken jockey was based, tho

>>149975119
Yeah, because westerners have done it irl so don't need to feed their impotent egos about absurd fantasies.

>>149976681
Even Yankee did that correctly, by making the main character an actual engineer. He knew how to make bikes because he worked with machines.

>>149991501
I've read that too. He blew up the capital because the king who summoned him thought he was worthless. He later meets a loli alchemist who wants to destroy the world for shits and giggles.

>>149981698
The issue with High Guardian Spice wasn't that it was fauxnime, it was that it was made by Crunchyroll.
They were supposed to pay Japanese studios for their content, not make their own.

>>149981734
It looks like someone saw Dungeon Meshi and decided to tackle the other end in more detail.

>>149989712
Armies weren't that large in Dark Age Britain.
If you got 2,000 guys together thatwbas a huge army.

>>149976681
Release that Witch is Chinese web novel/webtoon does this. However, he's just an engineer who died from overwork. He find that world he's reincarnated into magical world and finds practical uses for magic as a short cut for an industrial revolution he's planning.

>>149991511
And Amphibia wasn't a flop either

You now remember this.

>>149992402
Shame cause I liked Onyx Equinox

>>149993263
The guy in the green fedora/trenchiat in the top left has a peak villain design

>>149987135
I know this is a silly meme, but it can be distilled into something less silly. Just call "Yankee" a story in which the alien element has a bigger impact on the world than it has on them and "Narnia" onw where the protagonists change in response to the world and adapt to it. Of course there's always some level of mutual change, but in Narnia the chokdren became magic royalty, not bring industrial revolution to the realm.

>>149993422
The Narnia books kind of serve as a primer on Medieval philosophy for children, so bringing about any kind of Enlightment or Indstrial revolution would be contrary to the theme.
Read "The Discarded Image" for a more academic approach to the subject
Lewis was even more old fashioned than Tolkien and even hated cars and newspapers.
In fact it's widely theorized that Treebeard is based on Lewis.

>>149991703
Sims
Animal Crossing for anthrofags
Honestly Mario and Zelda with a little bit of world tweaking could still work, I think an established big bad would be a good hook for an isekai dude to stick around

>>149976773
Medicis as a mafia-like antagonist to the entrepreneur guy would be kino tho

>>149993508
>hated cars and newspapers.
Maybe he foresaw that newspapers would become/were propaganda tools and cars would lead to city folk fucking up the surrounding areas.

>>149993585
He was a student of G.K. Chesterton so he definately knew about that.
His specific gripe was they made the world too small.

>>149974640 (OP)
because the west values bettering yourself and doing something with your life instead of wasting away obsessing over fantasy worlds

there should be an isekai about a guy who accidentally turns himself into a retard because he doesn’t put any points into intelligence

>>149993564
The Medicis were like if the Mafia were also the government and the banks.

>>149993914
So halfway through it becomes a race against time for the millionaire to either skip country or go back to his homeworld, nice. Lots of backstab intrigue potential too. Maybe a bit too "boring adult" for a cartoon though

>>149994002
He could go the the Venetians for an alliance I guess.

>>149993608
Don't forget about the protag getting harem for some reason.

>>149974640 (OP)
"Gamer" is a dirty word nowadays.

>>149975140
And gets 2nd season 10 years later. Which sucks ass.

>>149995582
See I wouldn't even mind that so much if the MC wasn't always a complete pud. I get the appeal of having your hero be a chic magnet and if you make your hero actually cool and depending on the setting it can work. But again the hero is always such a complete pud. It's almost always some vacuous personality devoid dullard without an ounce of gumption who bumblefucks his way into their hearts because they find something charming about the way he..exists. They have no special virtues or qualities. No profound wisdom, impressive courage or strength. Barely any ambition beyond wanting to live a normal life.

>>149976241
Sci-Fi and fantasy is not inherently pure escapism. In fact, usually they provide mental models to reason about our own world, with metaphors for problems that we are facing as well as potential solutions or catastrophic scenarios, but because it's in a fantasy setting they can actually act out what would happen (e.g. "Crystals" instead of scarce oil resources, Storm Troopers instead of Nazis). Fantasy and sci-fi, if written well and consumed purposefully, inspires people in this world to act upon it, through great difficulty and effort, as the heroes in the stories did.

The difference is, from what I've seen in some of these MODERN shows, it's just pure gratification or a power trip, without any nuance or metaphor or relating to our world at large.

>>149993711
All isekai protagonists are already retards. They're also doormats that let people walk all over them and they cry at the sight of a boob.

What if Captain N got isekai'd into Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball?

>>149996785
>Isekai for boys: I'm some dumb idiot in dragon quest now doing fuck all of nothing.
>Isekai for girls: HOLY FUCKING SHIT THERE'S TRAGEDY AND GIANT ROBOTS AND WE'RE FIGHTING THE PHYSICAL EMBODIMENT OF DESPAIR ITSELF.

>>149996682
P.S. I should add that this relatability or commentary should never be at the forefront or "why" a piece of media exists (message or ideology over good writing and story is never good), but if the piece of fantasy/sci-fi is written well enough with three dimensional characters and a lived-in world, that this type of non-escapist analysis can be derived from it. A lot of modern stuff I've watched with the isekai trope was paper thin and was just pure escapism.

>>149996785
read better isekai like 'What do you see with those muddy eyes' and 'D-Genesis'

>>149996682
You know I feel like there's a decent bit of parallel between this topic and the one about movies not being sad anymore. Not so much that either subject needs depression and sorrow just in that the medium doesn't have to be blisteringly retarded.

>>149975119
western powers already did that irl>>149975133

>>149996902
Or Sir Isaac Newton

>>149997073
Kimi wo kimi wo aishiteru

>>149995582
The most I'd tolerate would be a love triangle, and even then it's gotta end with the guy choosing one.

>>149996993
Your recommendations are but a drop in the bucket of endless isekais with retards for their MC. The vast majority are spineless idiots afraid of sex.

>>149993422
>>149993508
Narnia is "cool kids having cool adventures"
Yankee is "I'll teach these savages how to make steel and prevent scurvy"

>>149995686
Good. Video games are horrid hobby, and forcing vidya mechanics into fantasy stories should be seen as a war crime

>>149996785
>All isekai protagonists are already retards.
probably because they don't put any points into intelligence

>travel back in time
>write and publish Don Quixote a year before Cervantes
>rename it Don Cervantes

>>149998718
>Video games are horrid hobby
We get it, you hate fun. What else is new, poindexter?

>>149999335
You talk like a faggot and a redditor. "YoU hAtE fUn" fucking idiot can't fathom doing anything that isn't instant gratification.

>>149998703
>Narnia is "cool kids having cool adventures"
I think some of the subtlety might have gone over your head

>>149997073
That was one hell of a tweest

>>149999425
>fucking idiot can't fathom doing anything that isn't instant gratification.
Different people like different things, sperg. You ain't the whole world.

>>149999546
Yeah and you like instant gratification which is extremely unhealthy.
>waaah let people enjoy things
Enjoy my dick down your throat.

>>149999432
"Narnia" as the isekai archetype (contra "Yankee"), not the actual series of novels.

>>149999569
>you like instant gratification which is extremely unhealthy.
https://youtu.be/IRsPheErBj8

>>149999695
>no counter argument
I accept your concession

if videogames were instant gratification why do i have to wait for download timers
checkmate antisemites

>>149999622
>contra "Yankee

>>149997156
God, cartoons could never
Just delete /co/ already and never release the epstein files

>>149999335
Video games aren't fun

>>149999774
Whatever, dork.
>>149999949
They're fun to me, and that's what matters.

>>150000098
You sound fat.

>>150000110
I sound fat for liking video games? That's what you're going with?

>>150000337
You sound like a fat retard from the way you post dumbass
>"LEMME DO WHAT I WANT"
No self control, you're probably fat

>>149974640 (OP)
>Why aren't modern Western creators exploiting it?

Because the people who played world of warcraft in college aren't running American tv

>>149999622
>>149999859
Luchamos
contra yankee
el enemigo de humanidad

>>149976338
This.

>>149975140
Hataraku Maou-sama! was pretty fun for the first season

Test

>>149999859
...shit, I'd play that.

>>149976681
Lest Darkness Fall isn't quite this, but it does specifically have the protagionist fail at making things like clockwork because he just doesn't have the skills. Mostly what he's able to do is figure out a basic printing press and then introduces better accounting and other stuff that doesn't directly rely on materials, plus good historical knowledge. L. Sprague de Camp specifically wanted a time travel story where the protagonist didn't know how to make everything, just things he could reasonably figure out from general knowledge.

He still ends up overpowered, but it's a light, funny pulp story so it's pretty forgivable.

>>149995686
Typically used by people who play games. It's like when a black person calls another person BLACK with contempt. It's pathetic "I'm not like THOSE people! Please like me" behavior.

>>150002081
At least they can poke fun at the trope too, it's not flying over their heads.