Thread 149978893

Are kids movies allowed to be genuinely sad anymore?

Nope. That requires writers who experienced real problems.

>>149978893 (OP)
no,since that are no deaths anymore
if there are "deaths",the characters are brought back to life for some ass pulled reason

>>149978893 (OP)
Of course not. Exposing kids to thoughts beyond vacuous enjoyment and letting them face more profound thoughts and experiences would make them ask parents questions. And we can't have that.

Here's your obligatory emotional scene bro

>>149978893 (OP)
What was the last really sad kid's movie you saw?
Legit question, not trying to set up a 'gotcha' or anything, I just can't remember any recent animated kids movie that had some really sad moments in it.

Like, Turning Red for example (mentioning it because I think it was the last one I saw): it has a bit of a drama concerning the mother/daughter dynamic and all, but it's not something that sad IMO.

>>149979015
The first 10 minutes of Up? I feel like there must have been something since.

>>149978938
FPBP

>>149979015
Elio movie existing was pretty sad

>>149978893 (OP)
kys

>>149978893 (OP)
Parents don’t want movies to be sad because they don’t want to have to be parents and comfort their kids who “ask too many questions”. Parents just want something to stick in front of their kids so they shut up for a few minutes.

>>149979015
Unironically got quite sad during the SU movie a few years back

>>149979727
Unironically you're a gigantic pussy

>>149978971
I didn't feel much when watching The Last Unicorn until that fucking ending.

>>149978938
good kids movies were made by sheltered dweebs too doebeit

>>149979789
My niece was really into unicorns and stuff so I got her a copy of the movie. She ended up liking it but was really introspective about it for like a week. Also I totally forgot the harpy had like three tits. My brother and his wife were pissed at me but they didn't take away the movie.

>>149978893 (OP)
Sad scenes usually get focus grouped out early on. If one child says it made them feel uncomfortable, then it's gone.

>>149979632
What social media addled zoomer started this stupid fucking meme? The majority of 4chan threads, just like the majority of forum threads and real life conversations start with questions because the whole fucking point of having discussions with other people is to ask about their fucking opinions and experiences. The only fuckers who don’t do this are the ones who think simply making a statement is how people normally communicate, but the only place that’s “normal” is fucking twatter and faceberg.

>>149979835
>She ended up liking it but was really introspective about it for like a week
The Last Unicorn is what any kids movie should be. Forces them to think but in a safe environment.

There are no more kid movies. They're movies for mentally handicapped adults who say "yikes!"

>>149979899
yeah I try to show my niece and nephews things where I can. the old hobbit movie fast become one of their favorites. Solid adaptation but more importantly got them interested in reading the books.
> Forces them to think but in a safe environment.
There's that but It also really helps their imagination I think. So much modern animation and movies are just noise. Noise and colors that don't take the time to let things breath and get immersed so they can wonder about things.

>>149978893 (OP)
Didn't ever try to show sadness and real problems to the gay generation.

>>149979874
Man there's always at least one kid who feels the needs to ruin everything for everyone. Some fussy overprotective helicopter mom with too much time and stationary and yet won't actually tell her kid to not be such a bitch.

>>149980044
>don't ever show faggot shit to the faggot generation
you wot

Forget sadness for a minute when was the last genuine sense of peril. A villain who was a genuine threat and terror and not some cartoonish bully. Dr Facilier maybe?

>>149978893 (OP)
Not mass marketable.

>>149980132
Sadness isn't "faggot shit" you mongrel

>>149979039
>>149978971
>>149979789
Yeah, those were good, well remembered... Last Unicorn in particular is a lost gem these days.

>>149979538
>picrel


>>149979727
Yeah. I'm no fan of steven universe, but I did watch the movie, and I did feel that it was quite relatable, what with the Spinel situation and all.

>>149978893 (OP)
Glad that no one has ever tried to remake or do another adaptation of The Brave Little Toaster.

>>149980280
give it time. There's no avenue of nostalgia they won't try to rip off. They're just waiting for the right batch of meme tier celebrities to cast.

>>149978893 (OP)
No. Nothing truly sad or bad can ever happen.
And the main character can never have any flaws or make massive mistakes that cannot be easily fixed by the finale.

>>149980132
You just proved my point

>>149979015
Honestly? For me, Phantom Boy, when the kid couldn't get back to his own body in time, and appeared to just disappear into nothing.
Annoyingly, he lived. Kinda ruined the whole impact there.

>>149980297
I have no doubt they’ll attempt to make a new movie one day or another, but I hope they treats it with the respect and dignity it deserves.

It's not just a matter of sadness. It's a matter of sorrow and grief which is something a lot of disney movies like to gloss over. Bambi's mom dies and boom hard cut to spring. Mufasa gets Hamlet'd and Simba runs away and we get a happy song about hedonistic cynicism in a bright colorful montage. They don't really dwell on the characters being absolutely miserable. And in fairness I think this is at least partly for the sake of time. Bambi only had 70 minutes and Lion King was only a little longer which doesn't give you much of a middle act but even with that I think they do tend to just give it the minimum. And maybe Don Bluth goes too far in the other direction. It's been a while since I watched American Tale but I don't remember it being a happy time and All Dogs was a parade of misery and character flaws biting people in the ass. But of the two I think I do lean more towards Bluth, which just felt more real I guess.

>>149980232
Why did the animators give their characters in thif film a horrible case of prognathy/chimp jaw?

>>149979015
Inside Out. It's got this part (>>149980366) without the spoilered bit.

>>149979015
I thought the ending of GDT Pinocchio was pretty sad, but it also depends on who I'm watching with, and how I'm personally feeling. I tend to feel more intimate with my girlfriend and more flippant with my bros

>>149980161
Puss in Boots 2.
That fucking wolf, man.

>>149980161
>>149980786
Add this to the list of reasons this movie uses its characters so well: by having one group of charming and sympathetic villains (Goldie and the Bears), and one hilarious scumbag villain (Jack Horner), they were free to make the wolf as batshit terrifying as possible.

Panic attacks are in. Crying is out.

>>149980280
We did get those sequels. I can only comment on the Mars one because I never saw the other.
>mfw

>>149978893 (OP)
The only purpose of movies for kids is to move merch. Sadness does not move merch.

>>149980942
>Muh anxiety
Only Puss did it right. Everyone else is just getting tension and wanting a pity parade.

>>149978893 (OP)
Is he sad to find out Jesus actually was the savior?

>>149978893 (OP)
Crying's for wusses.

You're not a wuss, are ya?

>>149983132
Retard

>>149980280
I don't think there is another kid's movie that really taps into feelings of loneliness like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKx1HSMKYwE&ab_channel=Music%26Movies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8kQDNLkT3c&ab_channel=ChannelAwesome

>>149980498
American Tale and Land Before Time feel depressing but at least you get that happy ending. American Tale is sometimes hard to sit through because of all of Fivel's near-misses to finding his family.

>>149983132
>Sponge bob faggot
>With a watermark no less

>>149983540
>but at least you get that happy ending.
There's the old saying that kids can handle anything so long as there's a happy ending. And I think that's true. And not just for the sake of having darkness, the happy ending is all the more meaningful when it's earned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdcEhKsYZB4

>>149979015
Del Toro's Pinocchio and The Wild Robot probably.

I just want a bit more sincerity again. Not a bunch of random noises and quips that rob the work of its integrity with nothing but a saccharine forced ending.

>>149978963
You just described why I hated Disney's adaptation of Rapunzel. Reviving Eugene is such shit writing.

Fun fact about the original Fairy Tale of Rapunzel there is no character who gets killed off. Disney should have stayed true to the original fairy tale and had Eugene blinded instead as in the fairy tale. Sure the blinding is temporary but its less insulting than killing someone off and then using flimsy bullshit writing to revive the dead.

I will never respect reviving the dead. That is literally the one thing reality doesn't forgive. You die you're done permanently. So don't try to make trashy stories about how you can be revived and I hate super heroes and Dragon Ball for making this awful idea popular, that you can revive the dead.

>>149986220
Jesus popularized it so cope and seethe

>>149979639
And you just detailed why illumination's shitty movies are popular. Simply colorful shallow drivel whose purpose is to shut up brats. And sadly since modern adults are retard woman children and man children they truly want these movies NOT even for their brats. They want this shallow happiness colorful thing for their selfish selves.

And I've seen these same modern parents upset with Amazing Digital Circus because the characters despite being colorful are dramatic. As they feel that's not appropriate for children. You know I'm going to say it I hope anything shows up to KILL the Earth and the stupid human race. I'm fucking done.

>>149986305
Damn, no need to get so upset.

>>149986294
According to scripture Jesus was never normal, he was a blessed divine being. And like many divine beings in many religions of course death and the afterlife are a non factor for them.

It's the regular humans being revived what pisses me off. To quote Arnold Schwarzenegger in one of his movies "Does no one stay dead anymore!?"

>>149980280
Was not ready for the junkyard scene.

>>149979835
>My brother and his wife were pissed at me

Sounds like they needed to be castrated with gasoline and fire. Stupid people like this piss me off. The ANIMAL having feral tits is the equivalent of the pig from Mickey Steamboat Willie having tits with nipples. And no one complained about that.

And besides the harpy having breasts is a blink and you miss it kind of affair. You really need to have a stick up your ass to find that offensive. Again your brother and your wife should be castrated with fire to make sure that their stupidity HURTS them. I bet they are the same modern faggot adults who are fanatics of Bluey. That shitty boring cartoon. It's real sad how you can tell that most of the viewership of Bluey is the parents. Kids quickly outgrow infantile edutainment like Bluey. So in the long term its for the Stupid Parents Who Should Be Castrated With Fire.

>>149980095
Unfortunately all western nations are Single Mother Shit Holes. So this problem will only get worse until Women's Rights are destroyed.

We need to accelerate the collapse of western nations to collectively agree that women should NOT have rights anymore. Those shitty cunts need to suffer and this is why I laugh whenever I hear that immigrants start raping women. They voted for this so they deserve it. They need to suffer even more.

>>149978893 (OP)
Every animated movie in the last 15 years has had a mandatory sad crying scene

>>149980786
I was disappointed by Death because its DEATH. He didn't get Puss' final life. The thing about the Grim Reaper is that in fairy tales the big moral is always do NOT mock Death. So seeing Puss walk away because Death gave him mercy bothered me. Don't try to get all edgy and serious when you won't commit.

If they really wanted to drive the point home that Death is indeed menacing have Death go for Puss anyway at the end and when it looks like Puss is going to lose? Have Kitty desperately make a deal with Death to sacrifice her multiple lives and Death obliges. He "kills" Kitty eight times in succession leaving her with one life. This acts as a huge warning to Puss that Death is not to be trifled with. And then for good measure while Death won't kill Puss, Death grabs Puss and breaks his hands since he's a swordsman and using his swordsmanship is a big deal to him.

That's how its done. And another thing fuck all these depictions of Death as a relatable loser like Grim from Billy and Mandy.

Goddamn

>>149986481
Which is, as you said, treated as mandatory and not as an actual development

>>149978893 (OP)
I don't know if we'll ever get another family-friendly film as atmospheric as An American Tail...

>>149979815
>doebeit
The fuck kind of insult is that?

>>149978893 (OP)
of course not. you can't usher in an idiocracy if people are learning that they have deep emotions. no, gotta keep em glued to their cell phones

https://filmschoolrejects.com/the-melancholy-of-don-bluth-1be72847b858/

>>149980161
DAMN that was a good movie. great voice actor for Obadon and what a great fucking name for his dragon. Briagh. it's just so fuckin cool

>>149980904
>Have a villain that is absolutely terrifying and practically unstoppable but isn’t a mindless monster and kept in check by their own rules / morals
Absolutely love villains like this

>>149979015
I was struggling to think of anything "modern" but >>149984122 pointed out The Wild Robot and I'd have to agree. It had some nice sincere moments in it. Beyond that, the first thing that comes to mind is probably Up and Wall-E. Even though Wall-E has a happy ending, when I watched it for the first time as a 12 year old (back when it came out on DVD), the scene where Wall-E is rebuilt and then "forgets" really fucked me up. Not in a crying way, I was just in a weird downer mood for like, a couple days. It was neat.

I guess Kung Fu Panda 2 had a reasonably emotional scene where Po's mom sacrifices herself to save Po. The little hand squeeze she does is a nice touch. Inside Out I think also counts. Not really a tearjerker for me but it explores the idea of sadness in a fairly clever way.

>>149978971
But I thought you guys wanted movies to be escapism and not "trauma dump"
I'm sure you're gonna explain the difference between a story that makes you question things and a story that is a "therapy session", when it's the most subjective shit possible.

Yes, kids movies and movies period should be allowed to challenge their audience no matter what age they are, that's what makes them interesting and, dare I say, FUN to watch

>>149983540
>Air conditioner fucking kills himself
Honestly kinda funny. Especially because the vacuum cleaner is like "eh, fuck 'em"

>>149978893 (OP)
I rewatched the original Ice Age recently and I loved how genuinely dramatic and heartfelt it was. There’s definitely some slapstick comedy and witty jokes but they definitely balanced it out with the darker scenes.

It’s disappointing how the sequels just made the franchise evolve into generic family-comedies, losing the emotion and atmosphere of the original.

>>149988092
Retarded zoomfucks have taking to saying shot like that in place of thought be it.

>>149988100
>great voice actor for Obadon and what a great fucking name for his dragon. Briagh. it's just so fuckin cool

Are we certain James Earl Jones wasn't just a real life dark sorcerer.

>Castlevania
Fuck off

>>149988439
>I'm sure you're gonna explain the difference between a story that makes you question things and a story that is a "therapy session", when it's the most subjective shit possible.
NTA but a "therapy session" movie is a movie that makes only those who made it question things, because they're the only ones (well, them and that tiny niche that is like them) that can find any sort of engagement in them. In your poor attempt at a "gotcha", you imply that what children's movies can be is a dichotomy between Hercules or Turning Red.

It isn't.

>>149978893 (OP)
I don't think anything is allowed to be genuine anymore

>>149988439
What we want is genuine drama and pathos. Not the director throwing themselves a pity parade that exists purely to justify their own bullshit.

>>149980498
> And maybe Don Bluth goes too far in the other direction.
Oh no, not too far. He went just far enough. Could've pushed it more if he wanted to. Love the guy, always did. Just a shame he had that low period of duds in the middle of his career. Don't think Thumbelina, Rock-A-Doodle, A Troll in Central Park or Pebble and the Penguin ever had a single moment resembling anything like Littlefoot's mom dying, which kind of goes to show the point: going hard is what works.

>>149988990
I feel like he was probably trying to be more Disney in those days. Which is a shame because he had his own stamp.

>>149988439
>But I thought you guys wanted movies to be escapism and not "trauma dump"
The difference is that a movie like The Last Unicorn is about universal theming, whereas "Trauma dump" films like Turning Red/Elio/etc are vent sessions about one person's specific thing that aren't even written to pull out the core spiritual conflict and make a story that more broadly focuses on that theme.

The Last Unicorn is a story about death, time, and eternity, and how people handle and perceive these things. It's wrapped up with beautiful animation and presented as an all-ages fantasy film that you can watch as a kid and like and watch an adult and cry like a baby at get misty eyed over. It's not a "My parents got divorced D:" story or a 200 million dollar "Parents just don't understand!" rant.

There's also the expense issue. Adjusted for inflation, The Last Unicorn was a 13 million dollar budget. Do you seriously think Turning Red is 15x more movie in any aspect?

>>149989013
Definitely. The shift happened after All Dogs lost to The Little Mermaid. The Disney Renaissance started and Bluth was trying to do what they were doing instead of sticking to what made him special, resulting in
>MARRY THE MOLE

>>149979789
I got a signed copy dedicated to me from Mr. Beagle, and I dropped it and damaged the spine when putting it on my shelf, but I would feel hella vain for asking for a second one over that blemish.

There doesn't seem to be much in the ways of general melancholy either. Characters have moments of overt sadness but there's just no sense of personal sadness, not in the tone of story, presentation or character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoWCq3z6K_s&list=PLFjuFokngRviwZgBfUFNX5_aLZdLVi4ce&index=15

Going back to the Last Unicorn Fighter, every ounce of that movie is just thick and moody from the music to the colors. It feels cold.

>>149978893 (OP)
no, because then they can't make kids retarded

>punches you in the gut AND steals your lunch money right out of the gate
Not-Disney movies certainly go about things a different way.
>>149979899
I know what you mean. We had it on VHS and I saw it as a very young kid, then randomly decided to re-watch it around middle school. I was honestly obsessed with it for a while, I felt there was something there that resonated with me even if I couldn't quite identify what it was, if that makes any sense.

>>149983540

> the flower scene

:_(
I even remember as a kid feeling bad for it.

>>149989143
>Last Unicorn Fighter
Kek

>>149989490
Furlings!

>>149989890
You now remember The Nostalgia Critic review.
>MAN! Yes, MAN! MAN has been known to sodomize your hamster

>>149978893 (OP)
Well don't just STAND there! Someone get Fievel a tissue!

>>149989490
The gassed forest escape sequence in the first act still sends chills down my spine...

>>149979015
I had to google “animated movies 2020s” just to get ideas. But, Mitchell’s vs the Machines had some parts that hit me harder than I was expecting. And I had a friend who cried in the theater when we saw The Wild Robot.

>>149991997
Im beginning to wonder if we had anything with any half decent amount of emotion at all

>>149979892
The screenshot was taken by a phonefag, logic doesn't work on them.

>>149979015
The long long holiday. The ending was sad in the sense that while the french won, a lot of people didn't live to see it happen.

>>149978893 (OP)
Parents get upset at anything that causes their kids to become inconsolable distractions.

>>149989890
>>149989890
>You are now Furnagers.

>>149979015
Not exactly a kid's movie but not exactly an adult movie, either. Great film, btw.

>>149979979
>but more importantly got them interested in reading the books.
That's great, anon. I got my niece and nephew into Hobbit and Last Unicorn as well, but they have zero interest in books. They're only 7 and 9 and their reading skills are absolute trash. I'm trying to encourage them to read, but I'm pretty sure my brother doesn't really take their education seriously.

>>149993274
Get them some Walter Moers

>>149993274
Maybe we're just lucky then. After they got into those they've become really avid readers, I don't know what they're into really but they got to the library a lot.

I don't like falling asleep full of emotional weight and empathy hanging over me because I witnessed something cute go through a terrible ordeal that broke them.

>>149993325
And you would rather then feel nothing? Little more than a vacuous and false sense of entertainment and distraction? You know if you maybe learned how to process stuff you'd probably sleep better.

>It just gets worse
Time and tide are flowing over me

>>149993297
Guter Geschmack. Didnt know he was translated into finnish.

>>149993310
Where I'm from, most kids go to the library to read manga
>>149993448
I was reading him in Finnish like 18 years ago, good times

>>149993456
>Where I'm from, most kids go to the library to read manga
Hey I learned to read through comics so I'd be happy so long as they're not wretched anime onlies.

>>149978893 (OP)
>take kids to movie
>they see something scary or really sad
>proceed to cry for hours about some made up shit you don't care about

>>149994944
God I wish movies affected me that strongly as an adult.

>>149994944
>take kids to see sad movie
>They learn to process emotions and conflicts early on
>Don't grow up to be autistic weirdos who have a "panic attack" any time life gets a bit hard.

>>149978893 (OP)
you have to be invested to get sad
most modern stories are too woke to get invested in them

>>149996334
Even non woke shit has this problem. Marvel movies especially go too far with their quirkiness.
>You know what this discussion of absolute cosmic terror and impending doom on a galactic level needs? A side conversation about ice cream flavors.

>>149979015
I think it was Coco. Both the scene with the old man as he disappears in order to show us the consequence of not having anyone remember you, and then the finale with Coco herself. I've lost my paternal grandparents and it really just brings the emotion when I see that.

>>149978893 (OP)
No. That would give them trauma. Better for them to learn to cope with sadness when they're adults and have access to weapons.

>>149978893 (OP)
>O, wonder!
>How many goodly creatures are there here!
>How beauteous mankind is!
>O brave new world, That has such people in't!
There is no such thing as crying in this world anon. Only happy thoughts.

>>149978893 (OP)
Sad : Yes

Threatening, with actual challenges and stakes that endanger the MC : No

>>149997069
Stfu retarc

>>149997374
>retarc

>>149980942
>for anyone wondering
Who the fuck wonders this shit?????

>>149978893 (OP)
Why is the mouse/rat boy sad though?

>>149979789
>>149979835
>>149979899
>>149979979
The Last Unicorn is essentially a pastiche of how every children's story was before the 50s. Things could be beyond their understanding and to reach it became a part of growing up. Losing that is what made so many people manchildren.

>>149993401
: (

>>149999867
I watched Last Unicorn a year or so ago and genuinely can't even remember the ending. Not saying it was a bad movie since I did really like it, and maybe I just have a terrible memory, but it clearly wasn't impactful for me.

>>149979015
GDT's Pinocchio ends on a really bittersweet note
>What happens, happens. And then, we are gone.

>>150001103
YOUR DEMENTIA'S KICKING IN

>>149994944
Children need small challenges to build up to larger challenges. That's why arachnophobia sliders in media are shit since a videogame is the perfect sage place to read someone to not screech the moment they see a spider.

>>149979015
I haven't cried or been sad at anything since the year 2018. My mother died, my cat died in my arms, and my fiance broke it off. I shed all the tears I can shed. I am hollow and unfeeling.

>>149998297
>minor spelling mistake

>>149978893 (OP)
No. Even Gravity Falls had its "saddest moment" retconned almost immediately, so movies definitely won't go too far.

>>150004782
>had its "saddest moment" retconned almost immediately

Man, couldn't even let us dangle a bit.

>>150004794
What I find the worst about it was they could've spun it in so many ways to still make it somewhat optimistic while staying true to Stan's sacrifice.
>"My memories of this summer may be gone, but I have so many new memories to build with my brother and these people who say they're my family and love me."
>"I can get a true brand new start and build a future with my brother and this family I have"
>"See you next summer, kids. We can build an even better summer I can remember next year and for many summers to come"
>etc
But the way they did it basically makes Stan's sacrifice pointless and keeps the door open to Bill fucking with them in the future.

>>149978893 (OP)
If you consider the current state of western animation, all recent movies are pretty sad in general...

>>150004880
As a stupid pig joke no less.

>>149978893 (OP)
No they arent, Muppets Christmas Carol edited out the breakup song because it was too sad.
Its not even sad.

>>150005521
Didn't they add that back in later releases.

>>149991997
Mitchells was robbed of its theatrical run and I'll always hate Sony for throwing everything over to Netflix

>>150004736
Aww don't cry Wolvy

Exposing children to the evils of the world through storytelling is a profound and necessary part of their education as citizens and builds their character for the adversaries that come next.
They must know evil to recognize evil; they must be taught empathy to be kind.
Cartoons are a way forwards into their souls, not just their heads.

>>149980595
Their subconscious belief that non-whites are just apes.

>>150001103
You're supposed to watch it before you're like, 16-adult, dummy. It's a formative years thing. Something you watch at the natural age where you'd be into magic and fantasy. Not the age of the average female lefty Harry Potter fanatic (late 20's and 30's).

>>149980280
I'm still amazed that this is a canon sequel.

>>149998395
People who felt "seen" and "validated" when Puss in Boots did it, so now they seek out stuff that has panic attacks.

>>149978893 (OP)
No movie is, kids or not. Everything has to be the equivalent of gray slop. Pushed out to be loved by noone, but not really hated by anyone either.
Just inoffensive and safe, exactly how corpos like it.

>>150009666
Even as a kid I was offended by this scene. Of fucking course you're not gonna kill Ash off don't fucking try to make me sad about it AND CERTAINLY DON'T MAKE HIM BE FINE 30 SECONDS LATER BECAUSE EVERYONE'S TEARS ARE FUCKING MAGIC I GUESS

>>149978971
The King talking to Amalthea on the balcony is my favorite scene in the movie. Not sad, but still powerful.

>>150009797
I at least respect the first three pokemon movies for trying to say something. It's not much because they are still kids movies, but scenes like mewtwo and mew talking actually have a point beyond product placement.

>>149978893 (OP)
>muh holohoax, but with mice
Kek. They got away with a lot back in the day

>>149979015
Ghost Dad, and yes it was sad

>>150009666
Brother, my brother. Tell me what are we fighting for?

>>150005621
Yes

I was thinking about this from the opposite direction
It seems in every animated movie there has to be a "this is the sad scene, with all the pathos, don't you feel bad for him?" part, something that practically no other genre "requires". Very strict and anal commitment to the "hero's journey" crap.
It's safe to say most animated movies are comedies so I'll contrast it with that; most comedies I've seen recently have been Golden Age when they had a very different attitude towards structure so to be fair I'll compare to a more contemporary picture like "Dirty Work". There's not really a "sad scene" in that movie, I guess there's the scene where Mitch fucked up, his girlfriend dumped him and he got played, but it also has the villain sticking his thumb up a dog's ass. Its' main focus is comedy and entertainment, not making you "feel" something.
Animated shit in general has this inferiority complex where it can't just be "this is funny and entertaining", there's gotta be lessons and shit like that

>>149979015
Probably Wolfwalkers, then My life as a zucchini

>>149978938
It’s executives not wanting to do anything that might offend parents

>>149978893 (OP)
Anime, yes.

>>149978893 (OP)
>Fievel
That poor kid grew up so full of traumas and issues lol.

>>149978893 (OP)
No.

Kids movies aren't allowed to have a protagonist lie anymore either. Compare How the Grinch Stole Christmas' lie about the Christmas light vs how it was treated in Illumination's the Grinch with all the fumbling.

>>150002328
>>150008527
Maybe I hyped the movie up too much in my head. I was expecting something really profound and bittersweet, but like you said, maybe if I saw it when I was a kid I would have got that. But I'm almost 30 so all I got out of it was I thought Schmendrick was funny and little things like the unicorns in the sea and Christopher Lee voicing the villain.

>>149978893 (OP)
Don't cry little mouse. I'll comfort you.

>>150008527
Not him, but last time I watched it, I think a good chunk of it hit harder than they did when I was a kid. Molly especially packs a punch when you're an adult and not exactly what you'd hope you'd be.

>>150016450
How sweet.

>>150017569
not that sweet

>>150006334
overrated mid movie only appealing to adhd kids

>>149991741
Liked how they also showed a faceless human being kind to them. Always felt like shows/movies and the like seem to forget that there are good people in the world, even if their voices get drowned out by capitalism at times.

>>149978893 (OP)
>Are kids movies allowed to be genuinely sad anymore?
sure why not