Thread 150009172

Who will WIN??!!!

NO LIMITS!!!

>>150009172 (OP)
>Who will WIN??!!!
In the end it will be Kratos.

>>150009192
Who?

CHAOS BLAST

>>150009198
Kratos.

This is THE thread!!

>>150009226
Who?

>>150009156
>Omnipotence isn’t limited by human logic/paradox, it’s ALL POWERFUL.
This is a cop-out. The only way we understand what “power” means is through structures of logic and causality. If you erase those, the word “power” is meaningless. You can’t both keep the word and say it has no framework. That’s like saying: “Infinity is a number, but it’s not bound by math.”
If it’s not bound, it’s not even a “number” anymore. Same with omnipotence: if it’s not bound to power, it’s not omnipotence, it’s nonsense.
>It’s beyond the concept of power.
If it’s beyond power, then it’s no longer “all-powerful.” You’ve just admitted it escapes the very category you’re claiming. That means you’ve smuggled in a new idea, “absolute beyondness”, which is actually different from omnipotence.
That’s why philosophers sometimes argue about “Beyond Omnipotence” or meta-omnipotence while challenging dogmatic rigid religious structures made by desert cavemen, because omnipotence as “all power” collapses if you stretch it beyond its own definition.
>There is no limit on omnipotence
Ultimate appeal to authority, very spooked and delusional
You can just as easily say: “Omnipotence can’t be limited by being either, maybe true omnipotence is nonexistence.” or: “Omnipotence must be self-limiting to be coherent, otherwise it cancels itself.”
Both are just as true, because once you break logic, anything goes. Which means their position isn’t stronger than yours, it’s just ungrounded.
If omnipotence is truly “beyond power” and “beyond logic,” then you’ve already admitted it isn’t omnipotence but something else entirely. Call it “the Absolute” or “the Beyond,” but stop pretending it’s “all power.” Because power implies order, and without order, there’s no power to speak of. You just replaced omnipotence with incoherence

>>150009242
Kratos. He's an asshole who destroyed Greece

>>150009264
Who?

>>150009271
Kratos, master of Asura. Mindbreaker of India

>>150009278
Who?

>>150009243
>This is a cop-out. The only way we understand what “power” means is through structures of logic and causality. If you erase those, the word “power” is meaningless. You can’t both keep the word and say it has no framework. That’s like saying: “Infinity is a number, but it’s not bound by math.”
If it’s not bound, it’s not even a “number” anymore. Same with omnipotence: if it’s not bound to power, it’s not omnipotence, it’s nonsense.
Omnipotence has no limits by definition, it's not bound by your human logic. Again you're trying to apply human logic to something that is simply beyond our comprehension
>If it’s beyond power, then it’s no longer “all-powerful.” You’ve just admitted it escapes the very category you’re claiming. That means you’ve smuggled in a new idea, “absolute beyondness”, which is actually different from omnipotence.
That’s why philosophers sometimes argue about “Beyond Omnipotence” or meta-omnipotence while challenging dogmatic rigid religious structures made by desert cavemen, because omnipotence as “all power” collapses if you stretch it beyond its own definition.
again dumbfuck you're applying human logic to something that's beyond our understanding.
>but stop pretending it’s “all power.
That's the literal definition you fucking Moran


Holy shit I never thought someone would try to argue "beyond omnipotence"

>stomped Bison
>stomped Akuma
who will be the third Street Fighter villain he stomps?

OH NO!
HE'S NOT GONNA GO
3 - 0

>>150009295
>>150009243
I am more powerful than your favorite character because I can just go to the creator/company and fucking kill everyone there with an ak47.

>>150009309
no anon, the character is BEYOND omnipotent, the real world wouldn't hurt him.

Post Kratos blowing up a wall

>>150009242
Kratos.

I know GoW haters are dense but this is ridiculous.

>>150009329
Who?

>>150009295
>Holy shit I never thought someone would try to argue "beyond omnipotence"
People become brave when they're anonymous.

>>150009334
>island sized moon

>>150009334
FUWARK Donkey Kong can do THAT without CHAOS EMERALDS?!?!?!?!

>killed an omnipotent being (alien X)
is Green Lantern BEYOND omnipotent

>>150009342
he was in PlayStation All-Stars

>>150009320
I-impossible! Such power is beyond the pale of even the mightiest of gods! Even Thor with mjolnir in hand could not perform such a feat!

>>150009309
Scans?

>>150009354
I wouldn't insult your nipponese masters, You might get cucked out of Tokkon

With every source available to me… the games, the novels and comics, the developer tweets, the cookbooks, VSBW… and THERE IS STILL NO WAY TO SEE KRATOS DESTROYING A MOUNTAIN, MUCH LESS A PLANET! I’m FUCKING SEETHING that KINGTOS, who I have WORSHIPPED for 20 FUCKING YEARS, is so UNBEARABLY WEAK that he was given a FRAUDULENT WIN against a guy who was not only a BETTER FATHER but also the BETTER MAN who can DESTROY PLANETS and STARS. My HERO does NOT deserve this ridicule from 4chan, Reddit, and YouTube! He is EASILY BOUNDLESS according to my COMPOSITE FANFICTION and once he destroys a mountain, you’ll ALL BE FUCKING SORRY!!!

>>150009309
>statement no feat

>beat an omnipotent being (alien X)
is Reboot Four Arms BEYOND omnipotent

>>150009372
damn and King Vegeta is also the only saiyan who can grow to gigantic Galactus sizes as he did immediately afterwards in this totally not metaphorical recount of history

>>150009356
>>150009380

Tomorrow.....

Wait...why didn't Kratos used the Blade of Olympus in a way like how Zeus used the Blade of Olympus against the Titans?

>>150009371
Asura lost LMAO

>>150009295
>Holy shit I never thought someone would try to argue "beyond omnipotence"
It's something you see commonly used when people end up in cosmic level debates with entities who are stated to be omnipotent without the usual anti-feats most writers ascribe to omnipotent powers. That or Suggsverse shit.

beyond omnipotent blocks

Will you be reading Hulk's villain arc?

>>150009422
Kratos made that block

>>150009405
because just stabbing people is cooler then nuking them

>>150009295
Your stuck in the "dictionary definition = truth" loop, while I'm pointing out the philosophical contradictions and postmodern critiques.
Your confusing “definition” with “coherence.”
Quoting a dictionary definition of omnipotence ("all-powerful") doesn’t resolve whether the concept is logically coherent.
Example: the dictionary definition of a “square circle” would be “a shape that is both square and circular.” Defining it doesn’t make it possible.
So repeating "that’s the literal definition!!" is irrelevant to the paradox.
“Beyond logic” is self-defeating.
They say: “You’re applying human logic to something beyond comprehension.”
But if it’s beyond logic, then calling it “power” or “all-powerful” already smuggles logic back in, because:
“All” is a logical quantifier (it assumes a set to cover).
“Power” assumes causality, agency, structure.
If those terms are meaningless, then omnipotence is meaningless. You can’t use language to claim “something beyond language” without collapsing into nonsense.
philosophers such as Nietzsche, Derrida and postmodernists question whether “all-powerful” is even a valid category.
If omnipotence can break logic, then it is no longer "power," it’s just absolute indeterminacy (which is closer to chaos, void, or apophatic “beyond-being”).
They: “Omnipotence means no limits, so it’s beyond logic.”

Result: you contradicted yourself. You want to both use the word “omnipotence” while erasing the framework that makes the word meaningful.

Repeating the dictionary doesn’t fix the paradox. If omnipotence means ‘all power,’ then it assumes the concept of power. If you erase logic and power itself, then it’s not ‘omnipotence’ anymore, it’s something beyond power, exactly what I said: ‘Beyond Omnipotence.’ You can’t use a word while denying the framework that gives it meaning

>>150009434
>Hulk's villain arc
>he's black
what did they mean by this?

>>150009443
I'm done bro, you don't understand what omnipotent actually entails. If anyone else wants to bang their head against a wall be my guest

>>150009172 (OP)
According to Ewing, Godzilla.

>>150009172 (OP)
According to Toho, Hulk.

>>150009172 (OP)
Any guesses who’s the mystery guest for the rap part of the theme song?

>>150009465
Eminem

>>150009455
Cool, have fun banging your head against walls while I sit here pointing out the logical limits of omnipotence. Philosophy > dictionary flex.

>>150009209
>>150009231
>>150009241
>>150009248
>>150009273
DBX is where it's at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzLfI0shgT0&t=126s

>>150009465
Kanye

>>150009180
>gets no diffed

>>150009471
>logical limits of omnipotence
lol
lmao

>>150009465
Tyrone Cash.

>>150009475
>no true winner

>>150009345
Themes-wise you're probably better suited for Allenby Beardsley

>There are people who seriously think Angstrom wins this
Does Levy… EVER use his portals to the extent Spot does?

>>150009209
they really put in extra to make an animation of Ryuko's titties bouncing as she died lmao

>>150009516
Angstrom isn’t just a portal guy. He has gadgets and can summon other beings if needed. On top of that he is stronger, tougher and maybe faster.

HULK AM TRANS
HULK HAVE SURGERY
LOOK AT HULK NOW

>/dbg/ doesn't even know what omnipotence is
This is, like, philosophy/theology 101, anons

>HBOC
>toys

>>150009486
>But omnipotence is beyond the paradox of logical collapse!
Omnipotence = “all power” or “power over all possible states of reality.”
“Power” is a concept. Concepts are structured, they rely on logic to have meaning.
Omnipotence isn't some magic cheat code that escapes logic.

If you escape logic, you’re no longer talking about power, so it’s a different concept entirely.

“Beyond omnipotence” is legit as a philosophical idea, but it isn’t standard omnipotence.

>>150009539
in his last fight against Mark that was just a shitload of cameras
also he needs to trick you into going through them or manually shove you in

>>150009434
When I first saw the teaser for this I actually mistook the gap on his chest for some sort of gamma river, that's some genuinely great character design.
Which run is a good entry point for Hulk comics anyways? I honestly wanna rekindle the love I had for the character as a kid one of these days.

>>150009560
"Beyond omnipotence" is as legitimate as a "square circle"
It's logically incoherent

>>150009574
It's not cataphatic, “Beyond Omnipotence” in philosophical and apophatic terms is not a cataphatic claim. It doesn’t assert properties that contradict each other; it says:
This concept is outside the framework of power.
It’s a meta-category, not a normal object in reality.
A “square circle” is an internal contradiction; “Beyond Omnipotence” is a shift to a higher conceptual layer, which is coherent within apophatic or postmodern frameworks.
The whole “square circle” comparison only works if you treat “Beyond Omnipotence” as a normal all-powerful claim.
But in apophatic/postmodern terms, it doesn’t assert anything contradictory, it just moves to a higher conceptual plane.
So “Beyond Omnipotence” is not incoherent, it’s a legitimate philosophical category, just not a standard omnipotence claim.

>>150009410
Kek, based, canon.

>>150009542
Lol

Anyways fuck god for not giving me an omnitrix when i was 10 years old

Omnipotence necessarily overpowers and breaks your logic because that's what omnipotence is.
>b-but...
Sorry, no.

>>150009661
>all the zillacopes
>one screencap

Saying omnipotence automatically breaks logic is just a dodge. If it can break the very framework that defines power, then it’s no longer omnipotence — it’s incoherent word salad. Beyond Omnipotence, by contrast, doesn’t contradict logic; it simply exists outside the category of power itself.

Track name is out. No vocals.

>>150009685
>—
AntiOmnipotenceBros... We are indian!?

>>150009685
>he thinks power needs to be defined to be
NGMI. Literally covering your eyes to make it go away tier.
This is your 'logic'? LMAO

>>150009699
Wait, WHAT

Yeah I'm like 95% sure that the next time is Naruto vs Luffy

>>150009715
Nemesis? Makes sense. He's a big Godzilla fan and well known in the community.

>>150009706
Saying ‘defining power = NGMI’ doesn’t magically make omnipotence coherent. If power isn’t defined, then ‘all-powerful’ means literally nothing, and that’s the problem I’m pointing out, not making excuses.

>>150009715
>all those Godzilla fans
Hulkbros…

FUCK GOD FOR NOT MAKING MY WAIFU REAL AND MAKING ME FAT AND LONELY

>>150009778
Nikobro…

>>150009715
Holy shit, everything is rigged towards a Godzilla win isn't it?

>>150009732
>bow to my FUCKED UP 'logic'
LMAO no. Eat shit and die, as allotted to you.

>>150009789
Yeah didn't one anon say that in a cast Swan doesn't want to see Goji lose like Supes. With DA animating it might be a humiliation ritual with Goji no selling everything

>>150009778
kaijuFAT...

RUN

>>150009715
ADD IT TO THE LIST

>>150009796
Congrats, you’ve just illustrated exactly why apophatic omnipotence exists — a concept utterly beyond this level of reasoning.

>>150009799
NTA but I guess I'll never post that Hulk song then....

>>150009699
So the 'zilla wins' 'leak' was 100% fake.
OH NO!

>>150009825
No one ever actually thought it was real you absolute moron

Who should he fight that isn't from marvel?

>>150009819
Don't worry, little bro. One day you'll reason away your impending doom, and logic up a new existence for yourself.

>>150009842
the same guy from Hazbin Hotel as a humiliation ritual

>>150009842
Nyarlathotep
Lovecraftsisters need a fraudcheck ASAP

>>150009831
Why are you so defensive?

>>150009842
Kratos victim

>>150009856
I have a short temper with stupid people.

>>150009622
No, "Beyond Omnipotence" is an internal contradiction. "Omnipotence" by definition means that "Beyond omnipotence" is logically impossible.
>Hurr beyond power
No, that's retarded. Power, in this context, just means "the ability to act". Omnipotence means "The ability to do all acts". You cannot be beyond it

>>150009865
You don't have to hate yourself.

>>150009846
Cute. You treat words, logic, and doom like chains to scare me. I don’t owe your definitions, your logic, or your mockery any obedience. I am my own power, my own framework, and my own existence. Your omnipotent-sounding threats bounce off me like wind. There’s nothing ‘beyond’ me except what I allow myself to acknowledge.

>Hulkcels coming to terms with their third L
You love to see it.

>>150009879
Too pseud; didn't read.

>>150009715
>>150009789
>researchers biased for a certain character against a comic herald
hey wait a minute
I know him, that can't be
That's that little matchup that resonated with me
All those years ago, specifically 5?
That poor kaiju, they're going to eat him alive

>Ben hyped up Ultima and wanted it in
>World Breaker Hulk coming out early
>animation was delayed because they're doing something complicated that hasn't been done before
>Swan wants Godzilla to win, so he's getting swanked to highest degree possible
>Ben's tweet
>now we have confirmation that the guest researchers are all Godzilla fans
>Devilartemis is animating it alongside another Godzilla fan
>it's going to be like Krasura where Hulk does no damage to Godzilla, while Godzilla no sells all his attacks
So it's confirmed that Hulk is going 0-3 and his Death Battle will be a total clown show.

>>150009842
In several years perhaps when Oda writes more about this thing.

>>150009893
These are the zillafag copes, yes. Notice not a single argument amongst them LMAO

>>150009895
fuck IMU we need a Mihawk matchup

>>150009887
eGODS own thee
>>150009874
You are implicitly assuming a fixed framework of what counts as an act, and what rules govern them. as soon as you step outside that framework (apophatic or post-structural perspective), the original definition doesn’t apply. Saying “you can’t be beyond it” is circular: it assumes what it’s trying to disprove.
Omnipotence = “all acts within a framework.” Beyond Omnipotence = outside the framework entirely. You’re not claiming an act that contradicts omnipotence, you’re redefining the category, that’s not logically impossible, it’s meta-conceptually coherent.

>>150009893
I don't care if Hulk wins,, I just need Godzilla to lose

>>150009910
>he can’t argue against them
0-3 incoming!

>>150009929
There's nothing of worth to "argue" against. I might as well try and have a conversation with a yapping dog.

>>150009927
the dude from the anime trilogy…

>>150005492
Post Fagzilla destroying anything bigger than a planet

>>150009950
If Godzilla wins, his fanbase is going to get 10 times worse. You thought Kratosfags were bad? You haven't seen shit yet

>>150009950
yap yap nigger

>>150009915
Either Bleach ot Atomic Samurai.

>>150009924
You are assuming you can actually step outside that framework, you idiot. By DEFINITION, you cannot be beyond something omnipotent. If something is faster than the fastest around, then it is not actually the fastest thing around. If something is "beyond" something "omnipotent", then that thing wasn't actually omnipotent.

Godzilla will win

>>150010005
We know.

>>150010005
...the spamming tranny and gay porn contest, which his fanbase has already won past the few threads.

GODZILLA SOLOS FICTION
there I said it

>>150010025
No lies detected.

>>150009957
Godzillafags have never been an issue in these threads. You on the other hand have been spending several years being the biggest faggot and cancer imaginable.

SOON

>>150010036
K, b, c.

>>150010036
WMBF

>Godzilla is a popular character and is known worldwide.

>Hulk sadly has not gotten that treatment.

>I never want a #DeathBattle to feel like it's picking at the little guy, so I hope most people come away from tomorrow's episode with a new appreciation for an underrated hero.

>>150010025
...'s laundry.

>>150010036
is that your favorite martian

>>150010029
>immediate tranime
Heh.
Reminder you're wearing a maid costume tomorrow, sissy.

>>150010055
FUCKING HOT

>>150010035
What are you accusing this anon of, now, schizo?

>>150010035
You haven't seen Godzilla fanboys before have you?

>Fights White Lantern Kyle powered by the literal Source/Overvoid
>No diffs
Don't worry DCbros, 2nd place isn't that bad.

>>150010025
Kaiju, Brutalizing, Capes

>>150010055
ZillaYUM!

>>150009997
Your logic is circular, you define omnipotence as “all acts within a framework,” then immediately use that definition to rule out any discussion of stepping outside it, you assume the conclusion (beyond omnipotence is impossible) inside your premise.
I'm claiming an act that contradicts omnipotence; I'm claiming a meta-level concept: a category beyond the defined framework of “all acts.”
Omnipotence = “all acts in verse structure U.”
Beyond Omnipotence = talking about the set of possible verse structures including U and its framework.
No contradiction arises; I'm just changing the level of discourse, not asserting an impossible act within U.
Also the speed analogy fails here
Fastest thing in universe = within that universe. If you move to meta-speed across universes, the original statement about “fastest” doesn’t apply.
Similarly, “beyond omnipotent” /=/ violating omnipotence; it’s beyond the context in which omnipotence is defined.
By your definition, omnipotence is maximal within a framework. My ‘Beyond Omnipotence’ is outside that framework, so it doesn’t contradict your definition, it simply transcends the category. Saying it can’t exist because omnipotence exists is circular reasoning, not a refutation.

>>150010063
because Slam Jam is 1st place

>>150009891
>Godzilla v Hulk becomes Archie Sonic v Wally 2: Radioactive Boogaloo
BASED if true…

>>150009819
The problem with apophatic theology is that there's basically almost no character who actually engages with it outside of real world philosophy because it's immensely fucking weird and hard to properly grasp, let alone apply in a battleboarding sense. The only example of a character I know of that's ever 'properly' used apophstic theology is Nemo Ex Machina from Self-Reference Engine, and maybe one other thing from a worldbuilding project I'm familiar with. Outside of those, it's not used because it's simply TOO weird. Even philosophers tend to not directly engage with it to its logical conclusion.

>>150010048
Did Ben seriously delete that tweet?

>>150010077
>they change the verdict to hulk winning last minute because they found some marvel autism that lets him definitively outscale singular point like what happened with sonic
This would be funny if true

Would you guys be happy if they said
>"This version of Hulk would most likely defeat Doomday and Broly that he fought"

>>150010061
>>150010062
You don't need to samefag so hard, Nikofag.

>>150010092
No, Hulk is still a Doomsday and Broly victim

>>150010077
Nah

If Godzilla wins I will kill myself. Hulk is my favorite character of all time and I won’t be able to handle seeing him lose a third time. I hate Godzilla, his movies are shit, his comics are shit, his books are shit, his cartoons are shit, everything about him is shit. His fans are even worse. I have seen nothing but positivity and support coming from the Hulk side and nothing but vile toxicity from the Godzilla side. If they get their way there is no justice in the world and I might as well not be part of it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z9MysTXM_P4&pp=0gcJCRsBo7VqN5tD
Opening narration:
>"Hulkfag: crybaby, little bitch; searching for a way to tap into the hidden seethe that all powerscalers have. Then when Godzilla was confirmed to win, it altered his body chemistry. And now when the Hulkfag gets confronted with the 0-3, a startling metamorphosis occurs...The coper is driven by rage and pursued by other powerscalers."
>The coper is wanted for a temper tatrum that he committed. The Hulkfag is believed to be dead and he must let the thread think that he is dead until he can find a way to control the raging seethe that dwells within him."
The Incredible COPE.

>>150010092
have they ever done that for a returning loser? I know they did that for winners before

>>150010098
I only see one (You) on my screen.
Also, like I said. Godzilla fanboys are insane. They NEED this humbling if they're going to heal

>>150010103
>Hulk is my favorite character of all time
Really? Why?

>>150010106
K,b,c

>>150010092
MORE ZILLA UPSCALE

>>150010082
NXM is literally designed to operate at the meta-level, manipulating narrative or ontological rules itself, very close to the “beyond omnipotence” idea.
apophatic theology is extremely niche, and applying it to battleboarding or fictional scaling is almost always conceptual gymnastics
That’s why most battleboarders stick to cataphatic omnipotence (max power within a framework), even if it introduces paradoxes or inconsistencies (such as the presence saying there are forces beyond him).
Apophatic omnipotence is coherent philosophically but almost never “usable” in VS or fiction because it doesn’t translate into observable actions. Nemo Ex Machina is the rare exception; otherwise, characters need concrete acts to engage meaningfully in stories or battles.

>>150010117
I have severe bipolar disorder and he reminds me of how I can reign it in and use it to my benefit.

>>150010117
it's not that hard to understand, he's a big green guy that smashes shit

>>150010103
I don't care about Hulk.
I just want Godzilla dead

>>150010103
>>150010114
Nikofag pls

Guys, you are ignoring the big thing, kirbonic pikmin helped here.

>>150009209
Let's see if you are so tough against someone your own size

>>150010153
>

>>150010162
How is he relevant in any way? I'm genuinely asking because I don't recognize any names

>>150010162
IT'S TIME FOR DEATH BAAAAAAAAATTTTTLLLLEEEEEE!

>>150010180
Only Nemesis is a confirmed Gojixister, the rest aren't really known for anything

>>150010178
>Godzilla destroys your entire civilization
>But he was RIGHT to do it!
>Who cares if you're living in mudhuts!
This guy made such a retarded choice at the end. Godzilla needed to die if the world was to heal.

>>150010162
Literally who?

>>150010137
Basically to summarize all of this
My trans sonic OC can beat tier 0 beings like Yog-Sothoth and Whatever JM Demattis writes because of Agenda and simon (who is literally HIM) thinks she is cute and valid

asukafag is now on the list

>>150010188
wouldn't it be funny if they don't believe any of the Touhou wank and have Sonic win with the Knuckles Angel Island feat?

>>150010199
>>150010180
Holy newfags Batman

Who would Dobson fight?

>>150010112
They sort of did it for Goku, something about beating every other interpretation of Superman except for the main one.

>>150010098
>schizo delusions
Sanes kaijutard.

It would be funny if Hulkzilla was delayed again.

>>150010227
>ESL
Poo in loo Rajeesh

>>150010082
Oh right, there's another thing I can add that does something somewhat similar - though it never actually directly states it's following aliphatic theology and just defaults to using "impossiblities".

>>150010137
Yeah, that's about how I feel. Really, it's nothing as simple as being "beyond omnipotence". Applied literally, apophatic theology declares that God is (Not) omnipotent. This isn't a case of God not being "all-powerful" but that, in its most literal sense, terms like omnipotence or all-powerful or boundlessness are completely incapable of defining or encompassing God. You can't really use apohpatic theology in a battleboarding position because it quite literally breaks all the rules when properly utilized and there are no concrete feats to rely on as a consequence.

AgendaGODS won, Scholarcucks lost.

>>150010239
Yup, KINGtos won

>>150010219
Morbid obesity.

>>150010188
>>150010173
Imagine DB makes these two episodes and, just like Symbiotes lose against Pink anime girls, they make all Sonic characters lose against Touhou girls

>>150009172 (OP)
FACT: Gohan kept training in the movie continuity, thus he should be closer to Super Buu than Super Perfect Cell
FACT: Broly experienced a Zenkai boost by Second Coming
FACT: The Family Kamehameha was the most powerful move ever used up to that point
FACT: Broly self-destructed in the Sun
FACT: The Family Kamehameha PLUS Broly's self destruction could not destroy a star
FACT: DBZ was never star level
FACT: Sun Disk scaling puts the average Viltrumite at Buuhan levels of power
Any questions?

>>150009715
>this is the quality of people whose balls kaijufags are SLUUURPING rn
Holy shit LMFAO

>AgendaTROONS
Plebbit meme
>ScholarCHADS
4Chad meme

>>150010239
indeed

>>150010273
If only KINGtos was there to TEACH Megatron about being a better man...

>>150010267
>something he doesn’t like gets posted
>IMMEDIATELY starts posting homosexual fantasies
Hulkbro…

I think Death Battle SUCKS

Question, does Hulk resist or ignore transmutation or reality warping?

>>150010288
he did become a better man after a Marvel villain lobotomised him into being less evil and getting some pussy from different universes

>>150010293
Nemesis Bloodryche is literally a massive faggot who cums to hairy men and scalie porn and cries when DC loses

>>150010303
Think back to Ben10fags going, “Alien X can just erase Hal from existing!” just for Hal to go, “Nuh uh.”

Hulk think perseverance after loss is strongest thing there is.

When is SeththeProgramer getting invited to an episode?

>>150010303
Hulk has whatever the author needs. Because he’s a gary stu.

>>150010303
Yeah

>>150010328
Why didn't alien X erase four arms from existence instead of getting knocked on his ass? Because alien X is a fraud.

>>150010303
Dormammu once did it to him

>>150010335
He probably hangs out with SpeedyCalcs to share child porn on the side.

>>150010303
Hulk's power set is legitimately whatever bullshit the writer wants because Hulk has no consistency. Sometimes he can resist it, other times he gets fucked like a jobber

>>150010346
How'd he come back from it? Feels like an easy response for if the red dust could just turn Hulk into something else

>>150010303
Dormammu casually reality warped him in >>150010346 and there really wasn't much he could do about it.

>>150010075
You are assuming that there can be acts outside the framework, which is not what omnipotence is. Your argument only works if we're doing something as retarded as comparing cosmologies and assuming that it's only a "localized omnipotence", which is already NOT omnipotence.

>>150010381
Isn't Dormammu leagues beyond novel wank Godzilla anyways?

>>150010346
Reminder that Hulk was gangraped by Mindless Ones in the sweltering summer of '05

>>150010400
No.

Any guesses for next time?

>>150010400
You’re thinking of Shuma Gorath.

>>150010370
What feats does the red dust have for transmuting someone into a statue or something similar?

>>150010412
Probably Maka v Ruby.

>>150010412
Something ass and safe

>>150010400
Yes, this was also the same story where he kills Eternity

>>150010346
>>150010401
Why is he talking in full sentences in the first person?

>>150010370
Umar reversed the spell and then had sex with him

>>150010370
magic'd out of it for the sex feat

>>150010063
Simon would get stomped harder than Goku if he went up against Goku

>>149999999
>>150000000
Need to check who won

>>150010391
I’m not assuming ordinary acts outside a framework. I’m talking about a meta-level, where omnipotence is discussed as a concept, not as a narrative feat. Localized omnipotence = omnipotence within a framework; Beyond Omnipotence = conceptual level beyond all frameworks. It doesn’t contradict omnipotence, it transcends it.

>>150010412
Hedgehog vs Oni

>>150010412
Aang vs Traveler. Get the shit match out of the way following the big match

>>150010442
>Simon would get stomped harder than Goku if he went up against Goku
...huh

>>150010217
That matchup is legitimately unwinnable for Sonic if he doesn't get fanfic God Robotnik powers, it doesn't matter how much stronger you make him because he has no way to negate spiritual regeneration if you take him at face value.

>>150010455
Goku beats Goku

>>150010455
I need to go to bed

>>150010461
Have a nice sleppy bye, DCsaar

>>150010451
Okay, so you're just talking about how a literally real kid is stronger than an omnipotent character who is entirely fictional?

>>150010422
Um....well, y-you see....

>>150009715
>Kirbonic Pikmin
It's over

>>150009562
People that tell you Immortal Hulk are liars and want to hurt you. Bill Mantlo's run is what you want. It's Incredible Hulk 285-313. It's peak 300-313 in an arc where Hulk gets stuck at dimensional crossroads and struggles to find a world where he belongs.

>>150010434
Hulkbros...he only lasted one panel....

>>150010199
>>150010180
He's one of those autists with too much money
He got Otoko translated

>>150010412
Invincible vs cucky Gohan

>>150010516
Mario?

>>150010516
>He ran it through google translate
I sure hope they didn't give him too much money.

>>150010482
I'm not saying real kid beats a fictional omnipotent
Omnipotence is coherent within a framework
I’m not claiming a kid literally defeats a fictional omnipotent. I’m pointing out that omnipotence as a category can be coherently transcended conceptually.
Beyond Omnipotence is a philosophical meta-category, not a VS or narrative stat.
No one ‘overpowers’ anything here. I answer only to concepts I choose, not your narrative definitions.

>>150010501
My LCS has some Epic Collections where I picked up the Lee and Kirby era (and picked up an OMAC tpb along with it).
Pretty interesting how a lot of aspects this era got dropped.
Like Bruce building a device that could switch him back and forth between Hulk with most of his control and hid it in a cave.
Or that time some country staged an alien invasion.

>>150009891
Ultra for the longest time hated Archie wank

>>150010478
Nah, it's 12pm where I am. I just need a nap

>>150010501
So who SHOULD win and who WILL win?

Benfags don't know what omnipotent means

>>150010537
Then describe what "Beyond Omnipotence" even means when applied to an entity, because all I'm seeing is a completely illogical combination of words. Omnipotence is the ontological peak when it comes to "The ability to do". How could you meaningfully transcend it?

Why do browns hate Godzilla so much? What causes this streetshitter ire?

our mixed and chopped meat hero

Nobody can actually post their hero destroying a mountain. The best they can show is them making a small dent in the mountain.

>>150010568
they do?

>>150010422
Lol beats me, I thought that was kinda the whole issue with godzilla ZP. Wasn't the whole point that the Dust was converting the area into a replica of what Godzilla used to live in or something?

>>150010569
is she projecting?

>>150010532
He got Otoko translated by spending his OWN money

>>150010587
yeah he probably is

Oh Fuck. I just realized something.

>>150010501
I figured Immortal Hulk wouldn't be the best place to start upon hearing about how it calls back to many past Hulk stories, I'll keep this in mind, thanks Otto.
Just for good measure, once I'm done with Mantlo's run, where exactly should I go from there?

>>150009715
Alright, add it to the list
Hulk is fucked

>>150010575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yduwA2AygRw
ENTER

>>150010609
Immortal Hulk and everything afterwards is shit, ignore their existence

>>150010567
Beyond Omnipotence isn’t a power stat or feat, it’s the meta-concept of power outside all frameworks. It transcends the category itself, so it’s coherent even if it can’t be measured or ‘acted’ in a story.
As to explain what meta concept means, it's like metamodernism = still existing despite the very meaning of its being losing purpose

>>150010586
Ultima is one of the most statement-reliant characters I've seen in my entire life.
I legit do not buy jack shit of that.
Mostly unrelated but I also found this while browsing Twitter and thought it was funni

>>150010516
Holy shit, it's getting worse for Hulkfags.

>>150010539
That was a wild time. Lee and Kirby weren't quite sure what the Hulk was as a character so they did a lot of experimentation. Other early Marvel characters they developed a firmer grasp on within a few issues, but Hulk really escaped them.

>>150010557
>Who Should Win
Hulk. To even have Goji stand a prayer you need to take the vague quantum god that created him and the other kaiju and treat him as a Hulk which is as stupid as treating Galactus as a version of Silver Surfer. The quantum god actually helped humans kill the first Godzilla in Singular Point. It also created the Mandas and Rodans, which fought against Godzilla Ultima and died to human weapons. The same argument for "Ultma Godzilla" gives you omnipotent multiversal Rodans that die if you shoot them enough.

"Ultima Godzilla" as this omnipotent version of Godzilla is complete fanfiction and I hate it. He's the most bullshit thing to come out of vs battle in a long time and those hyping him up never saw an episode of Singular Point.

>Who will win
I don't know, they have Purple Ragna as a research assistant now and think Kratos can suplex a planet. They might actually be dumb enough to put stars over their Goji model and call it "Godzilla True Ultima" and have him delete Hulk from reality.

>>150010642
>"hulk what the fuck, that was our only ball AND you fucked up the court"

>>150010567
NTA but just musing over the concept. Maybe its something like that statement of "can they make a rock so heavy that they can't lift it themselves". Lesser omnipotent does and cant no matter what while a "stronger" omnipotent can but also go further and lift it later

Weird but best I can figure offhand

>>150010642
There are certain characters who become reliant on statements purely because they are so far above everything else in the setting that you can't really show off their powers. Ultima's strengths are also just mindbogglingly complicated to even read, much less depict in a visual medium.
>>150010657
I've seen every episode of Singular Point, and I believe in omnipotent Godzilla

Lol what the fuck is wrong with dragontards

>>150010657
>otto seethe

>otto thinks hulk will win
Hulkbros this isn’t good…

>>150010619
Wow....he put a small hole in the mountain and didn't even destroy it... This generic isekai character is soloing my verse

>>150010674
Total spic death

>>150010674
Buu can destroy the universe. Goku beat Buu. Easy.

>>150010575
Genuine question, how much of the mountain has to be destroyed for the character to count as a mountain buster?
https://youtu.be/UfCIeH8xr0o?si=CyeEcl3Rao691Fyh&t=534

>>150010705
“And other things spics tell themselves”

>>150010567
The best way to define what anon is talking about is >>150010235. It's not "beyond omnipotence" as in just stating some Suggsverse nonsense or schizobabble. It's purely from an apophatic standpoint that such a notion can apply.

>>150010657
Kratos is multiversal lowballed. He can easily suplex a planet

Literally EVERYTHING indicates that Godzilla is winning. Is there any hope for Hulk at this point?

>>150010586
Sort of but it was both doing so very slowly and regular humans were still mostly fine in it

>>150010705
>There is a bomb that could blow up the entire city
>A man just defused the bomb
>So that man is now city level

>>150010649
>>150010162
>>150009699
Wait guys, it's even worse
>VAs revealed
>Hulk like we know already
>Godzilla as "himself"
>Some random reporter has a VA credit
>Ringmaster is in this episode
>No Bruce Banner listed

>>150010738
Plugging their ears and screaming seems to be the current cope.

If Hulk wins I'll post pictures of me wearing a cute frilly dress with a anal plug inside me (I will also take pictures of my asshole with the plug)

>>150010667
Omnipotent Godzilla doesn't come from the show at all anon...

>>150010718
Nah, ICE will break in and deport him

>>150010370
He got pulled out of it by Dormammu's sister and equal.

>>150010422
We know it was altering reality and logic (angles and equations not properly adding up) around the highest concentrations of it, and the whole point of the 13th phase is flash-converting things around it into crystal along with banishing Ultima. Ultima also basically has statements that it could transform into whatever the fuck it wanted well before transcending to the Omega Point and Ultima is nothing but pure solidified archetype.

>>150010705
>a stronger version of buu was said to be able to destroy the universe
>goku not only said he couldn't beat that buu, he also couldn't win against a weaker version of buu
>goku then also needs the help of literally everyone on earth AND be completely refreshed by the dragonballs to actually beat that weaker buu
Sure anon

>>150010675
cucks aren't chads THO lil cucky boi

>>150010754
Nikobro…
>>150010745
How does that point to Godzilla winning?

>>150010754
Average Miles Niggers

>>150010745
>no Bruce Banner
Jesus fucking Christ, it's going to be a fucking humiliation ritual for Hulk.

>>150010657
>The quantum god actually helped humans kill the first Godzilla in Singular Point.
IT did that surely to create a stronger manifestation later. IT has no reason to intervene in Hulk's favor here.

>It also created the Mandas and Rodans, which fought against Godzilla Ultima and died to human weapons.
>The same argument for "Ultma Godzilla" gives you omnipotent multiversal Rodans that die if you shoot them enough.
The Rodans and Mandas do not have the capacity to reach the Omega Point. I'm not even sure if they're even proper Singular Points like Godzilla and Salunga are.

>Godzilla wins
>massive spergout ensues
>ohnospammer posts CP and gets permajannied
>nikoposter blows his brains out on livestream
>otto fucks off forever
>Thread spam and samefagging go way down
>/dbg/ is saved, and it’s all thanks to Godzilla

>>150010759
Not what I asked. What are the actual feats?
>and the whole point of the 13th phase is flash-converting things around it into crystal along with banishing Ultima.
This makes it sound like Godzilla is literally weak to matter manipulation

>>150010767
Because people made a big deal over Bruce Banner's intelligence playing a key role in Hulk winning
If they got a reporter to be voiced, they would've gotten Banner voiced for the fight if he was important
Swan voiced All For One and they could've had him do it

>>150010667
>Bro they just couldn’t depict it
Wow

>>150010705
>Buu can [HEADCANON]

>>150010743
If he turns that bomb back on then yes, he has destroyed a city which makes him city level

>>150010745
>Ringmaster is in the episode
>Last time ringmaster was in was during the reality breaking sequence
They really want us to think Hulk is gonna lose

>>150010790
If IT is so omnipotent why did it need to have humans kill it in the first place and not just invent the stronger form immediately?

It was always just lukewarm chainscaling and statements the whole time wasn't it?

>>150010674
>DRAGONBALLDRAGONBALLDRAGONBALL
What makes KEKmic fans obsessed with their betters to this degree?

>>150010799
>This makes it sound like Godzilla is literally weak to matter manipulation
Archetype is literally just a part of Ultima who is in turn a part of IT. Matter manipulation wouldn't do shit because Archetype does that naturally by existing.

>>150010638
>>150010723
It just seems to be an entirely meaningless phrase to me, especially in the context of death battle, but I guess I see what you mean.
>>150010662
"Lesser omnipotence" is not actual omnipotence. That's the issue with everyone trying to claim something is omnipotent when they really just mean "super strong".
The omnipotent rock question has always had two answers that people use
>No, because a rock that an omnipotent being cannot lift is logically impossible, and God is a perfectly logical being
>Yes, and God can also lift it.

>>150010809
Ringmaster is in every episode credit because he does the voice for the "FIGHT" intro at the beginning

EHHHHHHHHHH!?!?! GODZILLA-SAMA!?!?!? YOU'RE HERE TO GAPE MY ENTIRE CONTINUTY DESPITE MY BEST MAGICAL POWERS TO RESTRAIN OR EVEN DELAY YOU PROVING INEFFECTIVE!!?!?!?! N-NAAAAAANIIII!??!?! YOU KNOCKED THOR INTO SPACE WITH ONE PIDDILY LITTLE SWIPE OF YOUR BIG GIRTHY TAIL!?!?!?! WHAAAAAAAAAT!? SUE STORM'S PUSY IS ALREADY FLOWING LIKE NIAGRA FALLS AT THE PROSPECT OF ONE CHANCE ENCOUNTER WITH YOUR ATOMIC BLC (BIG LIZARD COCK)!??!?! H-HUUUH!?!? YOU'RE HERE TO EXERT DOMINANCE OVER THE CALCIFIED AND CRUSTY FAILING INSTITUTION OF AMERICAN SUPERHERO MEDIA?!?!! WELL YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOO!

>>150010809
Unless Ben posts a pic of Godzilla on the receiving end this whole fight is either a market of red herrings or they're (unintentionally) not being subtle over how Hulk is getting assraped a third time

>>150010841
k,b,c

>>150010835
You literally just said Ultima got BTFO by having it's Archetype being turned into crystal anon...

>>150010689
>Erasing 4/5 of a mountain isn't destroying it, even if those 4/5 only remained because the destructive volume was a sphere
What did anon mean by this

>>150010765
Kek what a s0iboi

>>150010817
Because IT "dreams its own endings and dreams its own defeats and dreams itself defeating its own endings" - from ITs perspective, these events have already happened and will always happen because IT has already made them happen. All of the events surrounding the creation of Ultima were by ITs design start to finish.

As for not just immediately creating a stronger form, IT is lazy and quite literally engages with what it dreams from an entertainment standpoint. Do you just skip to the ending of your favorite show when watching it?

>>150010823
It's literally just the whole "dreams within dreams" and hoping that's enough to carry Goji for the entire fight it seems

>>150010842
And as we all know, DB is very subtle.

Hulk is boring. Godzilla is a big lizard. We need to move on to Ash vs Yugi already.

>>150010674
Planetary

>>150010817
Because it's funny. Part of IT just likes experiencing its dreams.

>>150010875
>We need the children NOW
Doctor Green…

Sonic RAPES and GAPES Goku and his entire verse btw

Post Z goku destroying a planet.

>>150010869
Hey anon. Any of this stuff you're spouting even exist?

>DB announces another Goku death battle, but not against Superman.
>The theme of this battle is "loss" and "redemption"
>Drumm roll......................

Literally half of what people say about Godzilla Ultima is just made up extrapolations from statements in the novel.

>>150010853
The events behind that happened through another Singular Point who essentially became the "melody"/equation to catalyze the 13th phase of the Archetype, and becoming another Singular Point involved SHIVA which the novel outright states is "the same singularity as Godzilla". The crystal, Jet Jaguar, Godzilla, and th red dust are all the exact same entity. This whole 'Ultima got BTFO by X' thing is nonsense because all of the events leading up to Ultima being defeated are the EXACT SAME entity as Ultima.

>>150010869
>Do you just skip to the ending of your favorite show when watching it?
I mean if I want my favorite to win then yes

>>150010887
Ssj3 Goku is 50x stronger than WB Hulk

Post Goku destroying a fire hydrant

>>150010879
Sounds like it would be funnier to have Hulk win for the meltdowns on 4chan

>>150010887
>they both lose
KINO
I
N
O

>>150010873
Yeah but that was Ben trying to soothe the blow
So far this feels like rubbing salt on the wound

>>150010886
You could read the older threads where all the novel quotes were posted. But I forgot that capeshitters literally don't know how to read and just like looking at pretty pictures.

>>150010906
Post Goku surviving this.

>>150010902
>I WANT NIKOCADOS ASSHOLE TO BE SPAMMED FOREVER AND EVER
Why are you gay?

>>150010738
I think what really sealed the nail in the coffin is that they got Kirbonic Pikmin to translate Singular Point, the same guy who translated Otoko and that gave Simon the win. Hulk is fucked and I don't even like Godzilla.

>>150010905
If that was him trying to "soothe the blow" then he may as well have just run Asurafags over with a semi. It would sting less.

>>150010885
most he ever did was bounce frieza's attack lol. the rest is just "scaling to people who actually can" like gohan buu and frieza

>>150010887
This would be wicked of them after Hulk loses tomorrow.
It's not even unrealistic, they are both comparable in power.

>>150010917
Who said anything about Goku? I just think this gif is funny

>>150010711
>Genuine question, how much of the mountain has to be destroyed for the character to count as a mountain buster?
Here's a sketch on what makes someone a mountain buster. Depending on the story, destroying a part of a mountain can still be impressive but they are NOT a mountain buster.

>>150010902
I want Godzilla to win for reddit melts

>>150010908
You want to sit down, anon?

>>150010931
Ben's not good with this
GvS 2's ending sounds condescending and him and Ultra agreed NOT to pull that shit with GvS 3

>Take my powerlevel statements that I use to chainscale off of non-canon events
No.

>>150010908
>the older threads where all the novel quotes were posted
Thanks for reminding me!
>In other words, it was a plan to settle the battle through physical combat rather than super-chemical means, which was somewhat outside my style. However, if it were possible to defeat the singularity through physical combat, my workload would undoubtedly be reduced, and I would have the opportunity to destroy the singularity myself.
>One reason is that I might not need to search for the parameters to decompose all the archetype molecules. Because my origin is code, I have a rigid nature that insists on providing a precise answer to a precise specification.
>However, if those conditions can be relaxed...
>The goal is to temporarily remove the singularity from this universe, not to completely erase all archetypes. If it is acceptable to leave behind a trace of the blue-green history rather than the red dust, the candidates for parameters that meet the conditions would expand.
>Even if some archetypes remain in this world, once the singularity is separated from this dimension, the production of new archetypes will become difficult. Archetypes will gradually decompose, mix with the molecules of this world, and break down into miraculous molecules that are difficult to detect. By the time radioactive atoms reach their half-life, their numbers will have decreased by half.
>The Armillaria Network believes that the combination of the last two possibilities is the most likely to occur.
>Pero2 calculates in the Super Time Calculator the parameters to reconfigure JJ into a form that can fight Godzilla, as well as the parameters to destroy the anchor that the singularity has dropped into this world, and incorporates them into the "song."
I can't believe the novel says Godzilla Ultima was defeated by Pero 2 using the super calculator to calculate a code which upgrades Jet Jaguar and eliminate archetype!

>>150010923
There's nothing wrong with being gay.

>>150010917
Goku can't breathe in space so he can't by default

I just realised of Hulk wins "he" will just spam a bunch of anti-Hulk copypastas and cuck shit
and if Godzilla wins "he" will do the exact same thing

>>150010906
Post Mario surviving this specifically.

>>150010942
But they busted the mountain. It's just the attack range wasn't enough to cover the entire land mass.

>>150010951
>n-non canon!!!!!
Is that the new cope? Just calling official shit non canon? This is the same cope Kylejeets used against Simon btw.

>>150010894
That would really only be a problem in a situation where you can actually lose. IT literally can't lose. Ever. IT has already won by default and is basically just fucking around because it is bored. You only expend effort when getting something is a genuine challenge for you.

>>150010837
Okay, but this also begs the question
If a writer such as JM Demattis created multiple tier 0 characters in settings that have clashed before, what does that mean about the verse?
It means the verse's cosmology is an ontologically structured system, existing somewhere in this pre-ontological void before creation as a luminous process

>>150010977
MY SMALL COMET LEVEL DAMAGING GOD

>>150010972
9
million
planets
lowballed

>>150010973
But it did lose by getting turned into crystal

25 MINUTES
I REPEAT
THE EPISODE IS 25:31 MINUTES LONG
LONGER THAN SIMON VS KYLE
LONGER THAN GHOST RIDER VS SPAWN

I AM...... UNSOLVABLE (to real life scientists)
I AM...... UNBEATABLE (so long as your verse's tech peaks at city level)
I AM...... GOD (if i'm in a limited cosmology)

>>150010992
>I WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE OFFICIAL MEDIA, I JUST WONT OK

>>150010995
Because IT literally let Ultima lose. All the events around which Ultima was defeated involved things that both the anime and novel go through excruciating lengths to state are the exact same Singular Point.

>>150011009
God (real life)

>>150011009
It's over man
We know Hulk is losing tomorrow

>>150011013
So It lost to make itself stronger and then lost again because....it wanted to lose again? So It will just decide to keep losing over and over?

>>150011009
Hulk...

>Hulkfags only hope is to just ignore his opponents best shit because it’s too hard for smashy punch man
Lmao

>>150011004
>Extra time to explain the novel
Hulksissies...

>>150011004
SHORTER THAN THE OPUS KRATOS VS ASURA.
Also what are the chances they give Hulk a pity ending

>>150011013
>GBOGzilla

>>150011032
Just like Kylefags

Megatron fans are the best biggest lovers in this
They got denied their best material for G1 while Godzilla gets Ultima

Well at least if Goji wins, we know they are gonna pull the dub out of the their ass and we can make fun of their retarded argumentation

This wait period is astoundingly like Simon vs Kyle
>shitposts and spam out the ass
>One side’s only chance is an untranslated novel
>the other side claims it doesn’t count
>cape herald vs jap icon

>>150010986
Doesn't Tier 0 mean that the character is uniquely above everyone else in the setting, just as a consequence of what they are?

>>150010972
No, the contention is that dragon ball power levels, modifiers forms, literally just don't mean anything whatsoever.
There is no feat scaling or sensible increasing of environmental destruction, it's always just a narrative statement war of "ooooohhh this guy is stronger than this other guy" and oh, roshi was able to blow up a moon and he has "xxx" power level so that means that this guy with 50x power level can blow up a planet and...

It never translates to galaxies exploding, it never does and when it does it was shit completely fabricated by the dub or filler. Then we pan back down to day to day or the author's actual intentions and Goku is getting hurt by literal fucking walmart bullets and just making tiny craters after being hit by 100000000 trillion niggertons of tnt-punch

>>150011036
Because Kratos vs Asura had talking
So much talking

>>150011021
>R > F distinction over every single other cosmology

>>150011067
>Dragon Ball out of nowhere when everyone is talking about Hulkzilla
meds

what if episode 200 is revealed to be Invincible vs Rodimus Prime
>too early for another Invincible match
they had two MHA episodes this year

>>150011086
I am talking about invincible

Now that Hulk has lost, maybe we can discuss a more fair match up. Could Bowser defeat Godzilla?

In retrospect, booking Kratos/Asura, Simon/Kyle and another Godzilla match in the same season feels like a premeditated way of destroying these threads one way or another.

>>150011030
IT is dreaming hierarchies of dreams within dreams. As the prologue states "IT dreams its own endings and dreams the endings of its endings, it has dreamt its own defeats and has destroyed every world it has defeated". IT knows that inevitably, the dream will 'end' in IT destroying everything. It quite literally does not care how long this looks from an outside perspective, because IT has already dreamt the ending and that ending is completely predetermined with ITs inevitable victory. Dreaming that it loses is literally something it does for entertainment, then IT dreams that it wins and it always has.

>>150011089
Invincible is for teaching Gohan

https://youtu.be/MWvevkE0kAI
>Pig is pushed = Ultima confirmed
>Pig getting dirty = Ben talking about complicated this episode is to the point where it got a delay to get something that depicts how complicated this fight is right
>Pig landing in water = extended research team shown
>Pig going airborne = Banner being absent

>>150011101
>it was on purpose to destroy /dbg/
Based DB crew

>>150011101
>torrian's match is a dante episode

Simply put, IT is literally just "What if Godzilla was Azathoth?"

>>150011089
I have to be honest. I find transformers match ups incredibly boring, because every transformer fights and does the same thing.

>>150011097
Same deal as Hulk
Bowser sweeps every incarnation of Godzilla EXCEPT Ultima

>>150011108
Too bad Gohan didn't bring a yo yo or a camera

>>150011060
>>One side’s only chance is an untranslated novel
Post Kyle destroying a galaxy.

>>150011111
I don’t get it, explain further.

>>150011089
I don't want transformers fighting yet another humanoid dude that isn't even half their size.

>>150011060
>only chance
Simon was winning with just the last two episodes alone. Kyle's 'wild card' was the LE and he couldn't use it and even in the side story he got his shit stomped by someone who out-willed him.

>>150011088
BING BING YAHOO

>>150011066
It does as well, but VSBW seems to forget that and they have Yog and Azathoth in the same tier

>>150011066
Basically, though VSBW's Tier 0 these days is purely omnipotence. You can't have more than one omnipotent character to a setting in their categorization system, so there is only one Tier 0 per setting and everything else is treated as being derived from that one Tier 0.

>>150011129
Homer is a Hulkfag in this scenario

>>150009172 (OP)
Why is gojira holding a suicide flag?

Personally i still think CSAP tiering system is better than VSBW's, but this is only because i speak for agenda

>>150011134
I always just saw Azathoth, Yog-Sothoth, and Nyarlathotep as corruptions of God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son, desu.
Heck, pretty much all of the Tier 0s on VSBW is just actual God in a different form.

>>150011134
They treat Yog and Azathoth as both just being halves of the Supreme Archetype, who is the actual Tier 0. Yog and Azathoth basically just get placed there because they're grandfathered in by virtue of the SA - they aren't actually Tier 0 on their own merits.

>>150011102
So you're saying it's just in character for It to lose because it's fun

Godzilla bros, post your VICTORY music as you watch Hulk get STOMPED and SLAMMED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuaKOGv6qu8

>>150010905
They did the same with Bardock/Goku

>>150011160
Yes, but Death Battle doesn't take that kind of thing into account.

>>150011160
It rewrote reality to make itself its own wil-e-coyote without the basketball scaling

>>150011165
https://youtube.com/watch?v=myqSETD5_bs&pp=ygUZZ29kemlsbGEgYmx1ZSBveXN0ZXIgY3VsdA%3D%3D

>>150011175
What did Ben do with Bardock?

>>150011111
Quints confirm it.

>>150011160
It quite literally depends on the dream, literally. In SP, IT lets itself lose for that specific dream/set of dreams. But as it details in the prologue, there are dreams it has dreamt where it just outright destroys the world entirely with zero fanfare, worlds where it takes the L for fun, and everything inbetween. IT has no reason to let itself lose from a white room versus context because it is equally in-character for it to instantly annihilate whatever setting you place it in.

>godzilla win has quads AND quints
Hulkbros… we need sexts in the next 23 hours or we are FUCKED

So....Ultraman loses now because they do consider Ultima as valid for a composite

>>150011183
BOOM

I can't fucking take this anymore

>>150011177
Batman vs Black Panther literally had Batman lose because he wouldn't use guns in-character
Johnny was stated to hold back Zarathos in-character which would give Spawn time to adapt
It happens quite a lot

>>150011201
Yep. Stay mad.

>>150011165
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=muUZjovOFRg&pp=0gcJCRsBo7VqN5tD

>>150011203
Don't give up, Hulkfag. There's always the chance that everyone is just wrong. Keep your chin up!

>>150011201
We'll have to see how they handle ultraman scaling but currently yes.

>>150011205
that implies they gave Batman prep time for the possibility of him building a gun to exist and it was against Black Fucking Panther

>>150011194
Okay but we're talking specifically about Ultima Godzilla which comes from a world where It chooses to lose and die multiple times

>>150011217
>>150011184
I saw BoC live a few years back because they came to my town in the middle of nowhere. Godzilla got a big build up and everything.

>>150011203
Hulk... you are a monster... no longer.... *nods respectfully*

>>150009172 (OP)
>>150008419
Cuz most would argue that blasting doomsday in an atomic scale would not be enough to kill him permanently, so Cell being a super smart computer android being, would just decide to absorb him.

And that is just GGs since he obtains the skills of the absorbed, so no matter what doomsday does to adapt, his new powers adapt to the adaptation.

>>150011201
Yeah, pretty much. Thing is, Ultraman has incredibly consistent scaling and is ridiculously powerful but Ultima is simply so far beyond them that it's comical. And even if you tried to shoehorn in Gridman into there, despite them not being part of the same cosmology, it probably still wouldn't give them the win either. Unfortunately for Ultra, they simply haven't gotten anything like Kamen Rider's Ohma Zi-O yet, with Noa (the closest equivalent) being vague as fuck with few feats.

>>150011157
Then why not make a page for SA then?

>>150009273
If it was Cassandra instead it would have been so much better

>>150011230
Cell can't vore absorb characters stronger then him (GT base Goku as an example)

>>150011233
>they simply haven't gotten anything like Kamen Rider's Ohma Zi-O yet, with Noa (the closest equivalent) being vague as fuck with few feats.
Oh so just like Ultima

HISTORY SHOWS AGAIN AND AGAIN HOW NATURE POINTS UP TO THE FOLLY OF MAN

>>150009297
Gill? Tho id rather have him vs Orochi.

He really shouldnt tho. Most MK "feats" are from the vs mode or out of context lore.

>>150011223
Yes, and that wouldn't factor into a white room like Death Battle. Death Battle never takes those kinds of character traits or personalities into account, and even if they did, there's in-universe precedent for IT basically doing anything it wants in any set of possibilities that it dreams - it is just as likely to let Ultima take the fall as it is to have Ultima win with ease, so they can easily handwave such issues away by saying this is a dream where IT decides to have Ultima win.

This brings me back to a debate i saw on this general of "omnipotence doesn't truly exist in fiction" vs "it's fiction, ofc omnipotence can exist in it"
If omnipotence does exist in fiction, who besides the author says that there isn't a beyond omnipotent being? a post-absolute?

>>150011240
Yeah this is from the previous thread where Cell hypothetically would have grown stronger after being splattered across the ground several times.

>>150011201
Ultras are absolutely ridiculous and even the most minor amongst them are multiversal beings that can come and go from any reality simply by flying there. I would not be out of place for any given Ultraman to just fly to wherever the true form of Ultima resides.

>>150011235
Because they're retarded. Same reason there are a bunch of characters from other settings who probably would be Tier 0 under their current rules (and several who shouldn't be there at all right now) but they're simply too lazy to do research unless it's a setting they can be convicned to care about.

>>150011258
>Death Battle never takes those kinds of character traits or personalities into account
See >>150011205
>>150011258
>it is just as likely to let Ultima take the fall as it is to have Ultima win with ease,
Except we already see with Godzilla Ultima that it chose to take the fall twice
Death Battle chooses the most likely scenario so that just sounds like what they'll go with

>>150011203
Hulk lost the fight before it even begun.

>>150011271
How well does OG ultra scale to his siblings?

>>150011258
>Death Battle never takes those kinds of character traits or personalities into account
They did in Season 1 and Season 2 and infamously with Joker vs Sweet Tooth
Hell, behavior played a key role in Blastoise winning Pokemon Battle Royale where Venusaur played cautious and pelted with status moves and Charizard head straight on against Blastoise

If they have ever taken damage, had to dodge attacks, needed to put in any effort to kill their opponent, or had any conflict in the story whatsoever then they are not omnipotent. Simple as.

>>150011185
I think referring to a post about killing Goku again during the leadup of that match since Bardock looks like Goku.

>>150011118
That I sadly have to agree with, quite a few characters in transformers have a fair set of neat tricks up their sleeves but Death Battle's staff isn't really creative enough to use that stuff in interesting ways as shown in Friezatron so it sadly boils down to how good the animator is at doing hand to hand combat, which also wouldn't work most of the time cause every popular TF match up left to do involves dudes that are barely 6 feet tall at best, doesn't help that most of them also fly which means they can't even do funny shit like picrel

Actually now that i think about it, what if we are in somebody else's fiction? What if God is the author and is using a machine to write our lives as part of his play? Are we just supposed to entertain him with our thoughts?

Just because we've never SEEN Godzilla Ultima being an omnipotent god who never loses doesn't mean it ISN'T!

>>150011271
That's the thing
Getting to Ultima's true form is one thing
Actually killing it though?

>H-he will just throw the fight!!!!!
Hulkbros… this is the best we can do…

>>150011251
I don't know man Shao Kahn soul haxing the entire planet seems legitimate

>>150011310
that is both part of a ritual (as seen in mk9), but also like you said, hax.

>>150011310
Isn't that more of a ritual? It's not something he can just do off the cuff.

>>150011309
Bannerbros… we are jobbing to a Japanese neet woman

>>150011309
Show me Godzilla Ultima doing anything

>>150011309
I could try, but sadly I don't think they invited me to the death battle...

>>150011241
No actually, because Ultima (or rather IT) has a bunch of stuff; it's just esoteric borderline schizobabble. Noa legitimately has almost nothing aside from his emanating in Nexus. We have never seen the extent of Noa's power because he shows up for less than a few minutes in his own show, oneshots the big bad, then leaves. In Zero's movie, he gives Zero an utterly broken power up then just fucks off again, and in his most recent appearance, he doesn't even fight but just has Nexus clown the shit out of Ribut and Titan (a guy stronger than Diavolo who onscreen casually nukes 6 universes by ramming through them). We can ASSUMExNoa is stupid busted beyond any other Ultra based on what he does or scales above, but he himself has never been placed in a situation where he properly gets involved.

>>150011307
That's what Gojifags are literally arguing

>>150011325
>>150011295
Isn't this just simulation theory?

>>150011332
>because he shows up for less than a few minutes in his own show, oneshots the big bad,
I mean that already sounds better than Ultima who struggles to destroy some buildings and then gets blown up and turned into crystal by a city block level robot

>>150010265
Yes one question, why are we using Broly Second Coming for anything?
It doesn't even fit into the other movies aside from the first Broly, let alone regular canon.

Guys... What if this is it? What if this is the truth?

>it doesn’t have pretty pictures so it DOESNT COUNT
Capeshitter intelligence everyone

>>150011268
He only ever got a zenkai from being reduced to his core after self destructing

>>150010298
You are correct. Wanna prize or something?

>>150011348
It doesn't seem to have any text or evidence either so yeah no

>>150011346
You’re right, Gamera does get bodied.
>>150011347
AUTHORku…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkZaRBIJDmQ
This video honestly sums up SP so well.

>>150011271
IT doesn't actually 'reside' anywhere. It is not a physical or metaphysical entity dreaming the dream - even trying to directly harm the Singular Points whilst still within space-time is equated to characters in a movie trying to harm something outside of it, and those aren't IT at all. The one equivalent thing I'm even aware of the Ultras facing was Madeus in Max, and Max only won because the ending was changed by the literal episode/script author to basically say "Max wins'. And even then, neither Madeus nor its creator the Monster Maker (implied to be the creator of all the kaiju in every Ultra series) were actually destroyed or harmed.

>>150011347
Goku is barely literate and would be a terrible author. He also doesn't have the attention span to write an extended work of fiction.

>>150011355
>I DONT WANT TO READ IT SO IT DOESNT COUNT
Not helping your case.

>>150011355
>It doesn't seem to have any text
An entire near-thousand page novel isn't text?

>>150011365
Dude this just explains our reality then, literally written by Goku

>>150011373
did you read it?

>>150011350
>uh oh

>>150011363
Wow. You people really are insane

>>150011373
I read it. There was no impressive feats. You're literally arguing It is going to kill itself for no reason too. What more do you want?

>>150011365
A barely literate tard can still write. I can see Goku writing a way of Kratos nodiffing Asura

>>150011347
Why did Writerku decide to write him going 0-3 to Superman?

HULKBROS WE MIGHT BE BACK

>>150011393
>I read it
No you haven’t lmao, quit lying.

>>150011390
>post actul equivalent feats and show reasoning for why it wouldn't work
"Y-YOU'RE INSANE!"
Superb debating.

>>150011401
the reaction from it is funny

>>150011381
The only text being posted in this thread is >>150010952 which says it can be beaten up and the dream thing which says it's going to kill itself for no reason.

>>150011403
>throwing a car is the best he can do
Hulksissies...

>>150011403
Minus One's Godzilla design is hilarious because he's supposed to be this mutant abomination but then they just reuse the Ride's design

>>150011411
Replying to your own (over a week old) posts is usually a sign that you're losing it, anon.

>>150011405
Here's the secret, literally nobody has actually read the novel in full because it's not fully translated, it's entirely just people translating specific passages to wank the character and then people translating other passages to downplay it.

>>150011387
Yes, this is exactly what I was talking about
What a fraud too

>he doesn't reply to his own posts
kek

>>150011406
"Actual feats" and it's just a bunch of fluff that has no bearing on the actual events within the story.
"IT" is an AX tier fraud.

>He isn’t a schizophrenic faggot
YEP

>>150011403
Goji doesn't even look concerned there. Just deeply confused.

>actul
Gentlemen...

>>150011420
Nah I'm NTA

>>150011423
Again, most think doomsday is stronger than cell.
So cell would be splattered, regen and come back stronger and stronger.

Then be strong enough to absorb doomsday and by doing so, gain his powers.
His powers of adaptation adapt to doomsday´s adaptation and keep him inside.

Thats why i said that he was the perfect counter to him.

>>150011427
>ALIEN X ALIEN X ALIEN X ALIEN X ALIEN X
Are the Hulkfags literally just the DCfags falseflagging so they can "fraudcheck" something after Simon raped their entire cosmology to death? Is that literally all this shitflinging has been about from the beginning?

>>150011448
no?

>>150010459
It is true. CC/Super Goku ends up beating Xeno/GT Goku at the end of the Space Time Tournament.

>>150011448
We all falseflag and HBOC anon

>>150011448
This has nothing to do with what I like. I'm just pointing out Ultima ain't shit

>>150011448
That's the first time Alien X has been brought up? Take your blood pressure meds

>>150011473
I agree

>>150011475
Bringing up AX out of nowhere certainly isn't a sign of you being biased a certain way, no sir. Definitely not a seething DCtard looking for the next big 'fraud' the slightest.

Benfag melty lol

>>150011473
True. My real hero is Goku btw

>>150011489
everyone mocked Alien X back in the good old days of /dbg/

>capeshitfags bringing up alien x out of NOWHERE
They are desperate!

Ben lost
Hulk lost

Post Alien X's entire species not jobbing to a black hole

>>150011509
Ben lost
Hulk ehhh maybe maybe not

>>150011499
>everyone
You mean DCfags and Otto. It swiftly wore itself out along with all the DIALS shitposting.

Asura lost

>kaijufags were benpedos all along
Holy shit it all makes sense

So if Banner's intelligence isn't what the rest of Hulk's rundown about, what will it be then?

I can't take it anymore

You know who doesn't job to black holes?

>>150009172 (OP)
>Hulk tranny delusion op

>>150011522
>Hulkfag projection
>again

>>150011522
>literally creating now schizo theories to justify his shitposting
Why is Nikofag like this?

>>150011517
no I mean everyone, Alien X was the old Asurafags except without the whole losing to wank thing

>>150011526
TOBA and maybe Titan

>mention alien x once
>immediate seething occurs
Benfags never really left did they?

My mind is WARPED, BROKEN, DESTROYED.

>>150011539
>without the whole losing to wank
>vs a DC character on DB
Lmao.

>>150011403
>This green retard throwing cans at me?

>>150011537
Mental illness, expect it to get worse.

>>150011445
He's really not. He'd just get tortured like what Gohan did to him with no power boost to show for it, unless Doomsday reduces him to just his core repeatedly just by punching. And if Doomsday did adapt something to push him to near death, well, it's over, since there's nothing stopping DD from burning the core too
then.

>>150011554
oh it's you

>>150011365
Our world is terrible, Goku confirmed to have written reality.

>>150011560
Meds.

>>150011553
Nikobro, this isn’t a confession thread…

KKKKKKKIIIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGGTTTTTOOOOOSSSSS

>literal frothing rage over fucking Alien X
It's so funny how easily the mask slips

>>150011553
Victoria…

RECAP
>Ben hyped up Ultima and wanted it in
>World Breaker Hulk coming out early
>animation was delayed because they're doing something complicated that hasn't been done before
>Swan wants Godzilla to win, so he's getting swanked to highest degree possible
>Ben's tweet
>The guest researchers are all Godzilla fans
>Kirbonic Pikmin is involved
>No Bruce Banner VA

>>150011445
You do realize that Doomsday gets the equivalent of a Zenkai Boost every single second he's in a fight right?

>TOB-AAACK!!!
>HE BROKE THE CHAINS O-OOOOF!!
>HE PUNCHED THE MULTIVER-YEEEOW!
>BANNER CAN SOLVE THE EQUA-NYEAHH EAAH EAAAH EAHH!!!

>>150011548
>you can't discuss this character who largely prominent in vs discussions and already appeared in an episode because...you just can't okay!!!

If Hulk was literally face to face with IT could he actually kill IT?

>>150011585
Yeesh

>>150011591
Bringing them up as a shitpost-y comparison and screaming "FRAUD!!" at things you don't understand isn't discussion, no.

>>150011445
Doomsday grows stronger faster than Cell's Zenkais can keep up. Plus Doomsday would just adapt a way to completely atomize Cell during their fight

>>150011603
No

>>150011603
No.

>>150011185
The official Death Battle twitter made a joke about Bardock looking like Goku.
Ben himself never said anything.

>>150011603
Yes because let's be honest, "IT" is fucking featless compared to something like the Beyonder

>>150011603
There's nothing to punch or interact with. Anyone saying someone being 'face-to-face' with IT doesn't really understand what IT is.

>>150011617
To be fair, I'm sure plenty of people made that joke

>>150011621
Beyonder and Godzilla are FRIENDS

>>150011621
The same Beyonder where his entire race died to a couple million nukes during Secret Wars?

>>150011603
No, he can't punch IT so he can't do anything even if there was something to stand in front of

>>150010674
The reason why people have started thinking this way is because of powerscaler value escalation. So they take Goku transforming into SSJ3 and it causing reverbs to be felt into the realm of the kais and take that to say that Goku is universal.
I don't personally sell it, but that is the reason some people buy it.

>>150011621
>>150011631
Fuuuck wrong pic

RECAP
>Death Battle constantly puts frauds like Ultima and Alien X beneath comic DIALS
>WB Hulk coming out early so TOBA will be used
>animation was delayed because they're doing something they haven't done before (Hulk winning)
>Swank was already BTFO by featsman Simon and will be BTFO again by featsman Hulk
>Ben's tweet
>guest researchers include soilent DCfags trying to do a runback versus GODvel
>Nemesis Bloodryche, a literal Godzilla tranny is dilating (as is listroon)
>no Bruce Banner VA because he's not even needed

>>150011589
yeah and? if cell absorbs him by being strong enough then he also gets the powers.

>>150011654
>WB Hulk coming out early so TOBA will be used
What does World Breaker have to do with TOBA?

>>150011585
GOLD
>>150011654
MOLD

MEI KAMINO! PLEASE SAVE MEEEEEEEEEE!

>>150011608
why would he adapt if he keeps winning?

>>150011654
>Nemesis is listroon

the lore thickens

>>150011654
TOBA isn't Hulk, so are you admitting defeat already Hulksissy?

>>150011654
CANON!
>>150011585
Fanon.

>>150011670
Banner….
Hulk….

>>150011585
the rest isnt looking good but couldnt the hulk VA just be doing both hulk and banner??

>>150010887
Goku is 1-4 because of Gogeta vs Vegito.

>>150011654
Is this what pure delusion looks like?

>>150011688
Half of that is Bejita’s victory too.

Hey wait a sec, was All For One confirmed early in Mahito vs Shigaraki by the description or was he a surprise inclusion with his credit added after the episode came out?

>>150011688
0.5 - 3.5

He should have won tho

>>150011403
These stills just look really cheap.
I know DevilArtemis just uses whatever Blender models he gets and can hardly animate faces well, but Vrahno completely mogs him.
https://youtu.be/lGAwOzBMtew

>>150011654
>WB coming out early for TOBA
Funny

>>150011686
How many times have Hulk and Banner shared the same VA?

>>150011694
Added after

>>150011692
Meant for >>150011585

>>150011698
They really should have had Vranho as a guest animator for this.

>>150011716
Okay so Bruce MIGHT show up
But then again they already added the random reporter's VA so yeah it ain't looking good

>>150011716
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>150011716
Proof?

Reporter girl? Will beat both Hulk AND Godzilla.

>>150011712
just the mcu as far as i know but we are ultimately talking about a youtube show so i wouldnt be surprised if they cut corners by just making the voice actor talk like a normal guy since thats all you need for banner for the most part

>>150010917
Goku could just blow up the tiny moon. Goku also uses his Power Pole to drop Monster Carrot off on the moon almost instantly he likely hit the moon at. Higher speed than Super Sonic did and drop back down to earth without any issue while moving kuch faster than light.

>the cope intensifies
Hulkbros you’re making it worse for yourselves.

>>150011753
Post Goku blowing up the moon.

>>150011753
Hal Jordan of Sector 2814 here, that is a naked child sir. If you don't mind I'll be taking him into custody and get him some clothing.

>>150011773
Post Sonic having normal fans.

>>150011519
The gayest fraud contest to Kratos