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Anonymous No.150018426 >>150019209 >>150019399 >>150019417 >>150019479 >>150019501 >>150019543 >>150019724 >>150021436 >>150022268 >>150022470 >>150025124 >>150025356 >>150026236 >>150028069 >>150028264 >>150028464 >>150033605 >>150034965 >>150034988 >>150035057 >>150040009 >>150041671 >>150041791 >>150042104 >>150042617 >>150044708 >>150048423 >>150048486 >>150052302
Does /co/ still like Terry McGinnis?
Anonymous No.150019195 >>150019560 >>150019617 >>150024444 >>150031597 >>150035057
You're fuckin right I do.
>Retarded exec wants animation staff to make a show about a teenage Batman because he thinks that kids can only emphasise with kid characters
>Expects some kind of Gotham High shit where a young Bruce Wayne gets into Static Shock-level shenanigans
>Instead gets a cyberpunk setting featuring an entirely new Batman that explores legacy and adaption to the new era
Goddamn they took shit and turned it into gold.
Anonymous No.150019209 >>150019220
>>150018426 (OP)
Course I do. Though his new design in that team up comic of him and Static is straight ASS.
Anonymous No.150019220 >>150019257
>>150019209
I'm looking forward to that.
Anonymous No.150019257
>>150019220
Terry don't need no cape
Anonymous No.150019365 >>150019373 >>150019544 >>150019840 >>150041858
Terry makes Milesfags seethe just by existing, so yeah.
Anonymous No.150019373 >>150019401 >>150019531 >>150019663 >>150025561 >>150028096 >>150032818 >>150035110 >>150036309 >>150036448 >>150042062 >>150043447 >>150046131 >>150047760
>>150019365
You only hate Miles cause he's black
Anonymous No.150019399
>>150018426 (OP)
I really wish we'd have gotten that movie they were talking about. Glad a comic is coming out.
Anonymous No.150019401 >>150019409 >>150036010
>>150019373
You only like Miles because he's black.
Anonymous No.150019409
>>150019401
Headcanon
Anonymous No.150019417 >>150019427 >>150025146
>>150018426 (OP)
I don’t give a shit if /co/ does or dosen't he’s still Batman to me.
Anonymous No.150019427 >>150019469
>>150019417
No one's arguing over that though. I don't think i've ever seen people argue over that.
Anonymous No.150019469
>>150019427
Sorry I just got here.
Anonymous No.150019479 >>150039108
>>150018426 (OP)
I'll admit that I don't like him because it's so far removed from "Batman" that it might as well be:
>Future Batman except what if Robin was named Batman and he was basically just Spider-Man and things were cyberpunk. It's literally just cyberpunk Spider-Man except if Peter Parker was inheriting a legacy title. Nothing wrong with that, but it's just weird as shit when you think about it.

If it were up to me, a cyberpunk Batman would be more like Batman. Terry goes around solving crimes and being a detective hero vigilante. Terry angsts over his personal trauma while standing on a neo-Gotham cyberpunk cathedral. Terry uses the latest tech to find clues and solve mysteries. In a world dominated by super-science, Terry manages to bring back the dark legend of the mythic hero who made evildoers beware.
Anonymous No.150019501 >>150019573
>>150018426 (OP)
I do, because he does what Bruce was too much of a chicken shit to do. Kill or let his enemies die.
Anonymous No.150019531 >>150021651 >>150027994
>>150019373
That's not the only reason I hate him tho.
Anonymous No.150019543 >>150019616 >>150019684 >>150025154 >>150025603 >>150033574 >>150039475
>>150018426 (OP)
You're god damn right I do
Anonymous No.150019544 >>150019573 >>150038997 >>150044637
>>150019365
I wonder what would have happened if Miles is introduced as a Spiderman from the future and he revealed himself as the son of Miguel O'Hara. I.E. rip off Terry Mcginnis.
Anonymous No.150019560 >>150037708
>>150019195
And DC has seethed over it ever since, which is why most of their Beyond revivals is about tearing Terry down so they can push stupid shit like that parasite Damian being the future Batman instead.
Anonymous No.150019573
>>150019501
This is also one of the things that makes Beyond feel more like Spider-Man and even the stuff that inspired Spider-Man and Batman, namely the hero pulps like The Shadow and The Spider. The Shadow had no problems killing (and even liked it) while The Spider used violence as the first and last solution to all of his problems because he lived in a hyper-nightmare urban hellhole. Batman does not kill, so what does it say when his successor does?

If anything, Beyond should have taken even MORE inspiration from 2099 because 2099 has a lot of parallels with the old hero pulps. There's functionally no real difference between edgy 90s capeshit and old fashioned hero pulps.

>>150019544
That's honestly not so bad.
Anonymous No.150019616 >>150019636
>>150019543
WHAT WEEEEE COULD'VE BEEN..
Anonymous No.150019617 >>150019694 >>150019827
>>150019195
Don't forget they wanted it to basically be a mix of Pokemon and Cardcaptors where Batman, Robin, and Batgirl were capturing and using villains in the pursuit of being a master.
Anonymous No.150019636 >>150019709 >>150033574
>>150019616
I know man...
Anonymous No.150019663 >>150019719
>>150019373
Anyone got that one 4chan post who explains how everybody and their dog had to validate Miles and even Peter had to come back from the dead to do it
Anonymous No.150019684
>>150019543
>Vandelay Industries
Hah!
Anonymous No.150019694 >>150019716
>>150019617
That could have been kinda cool. Like Ultraman + Batman.

>Gotham is suddenly assaulted by a bunch of out of control villain-monsters
>a containment force is assembled, and among their ranks are Bruce Wayne and his kids
>they don superhero personas to fight and capture their enemies before their allies do, as the containment force is more interested in enslaving/imprisoning/exploiting/experimenting on them

Various redeemable baddies then join the team, etc.
Anonymous No.150019709 >>150019881 >>150019895 >>150021001
>>150019636
So why didn't this ever materialize
Anonymous No.150019716
>>150019694
>are Bruce Wayne and his kids
The three were the same age. They were high school students. I do think with the right production team it could have been cool, but Timm and co were not the right team for that show.
Anonymous No.150019719
>>150019663
>https://youtu.be/kAdHX9IgUXE?si=b4F9coIP-0vn8Zpc

Go to 2:50 Terry tells you he’s Batman he needs no validation.
Anonymous No.150019724
>>150018426 (OP)
Anonymous No.150019827 >>150019924
>>150019617
Fucking what?
Anonymous No.150019840 >>150026753 >>150027459
>>150019365
Does he though? The only times I've ever seen Miles fans bring up Terry is when they're going "Same hat!"
Anonymous No.150019881 >>150019919
>>150019709
Main theory I've seen was DC just saying no
Anonymous No.150019895 >>150019919 >>150019950
>>150019709
I snuck into the group meeting and very loudly pointed out how neon pink as a color has been co-opted by the fashwave crowd. I did this deliberately to sabotage their intent to make Max trans. To be perfectly clear, I hate that nigger bitch, but I'm not about to let someone turn a character I hate into a character I hate.
Anonymous No.150019919
>>150019881
DC is full of retards. They've been fumbling since Superman vs Batman
>>150019895
Least schizophrenic trans hater.
Anonymous No.150019924 >>150019973 >>150020006
>>150019827
I admit my memory got the best of me, it was after Beyond they did the Pokemon Batman pitch.
Anonymous No.150019948
It's fucked how the Static Shock crossover episode reveals that the US military built a bunch of massive flying platforms to use as mobile bases... and then just abandoned them. So now there's these floating slabs wandering about at random and being taken over by various factions.
Anonymous No.150019950 >>150020034
>>150019895
uhh based??
Anonymous No.150019973
>>150019924
The art. I think it could have been a neat original series but I'm not sure if it would have been a good Batman show.
Anonymous No.150020006 >>150020099
>>150019924
>They wanted us to put a Jor-El voice chip in Clark's car in STAS
WHAT
Anonymous No.150020034
>>150019950
Nope
Anonymous No.150020099
>>150020006
At the time interactive toys were big, so they probably wanted a talking vehicle toy that could converse with specific figures or chips. Pokemon, Simpsons, and Star Wars were all using similar technology.
Anonymous No.150021001 >>150021478
>>150019709
stupid japanese shit
Anonymous No.150021436 >>150030476 >>150033366
>>150018426 (OP)
>no BatBeyond game like the Arkham series, fighting Terry's batch of unique villains
>trying to bring back the fear of The Bat
Dam...
Anonymous No.150021478
>>150021001
So.. good?
Anonymous No.150021651 >>150022241
>>150019531
add that Terry and Bruce have different styles in fighting. Terry isn't a trained fighter and gets his ass kicked 80% of the time, he relies heavily on underhanded tricks to win while Miles gets a "I win" move and also more bullshit to come apparently.
Anonymous No.150021745 >>150029595 >>150029804
Why does DC and WB not produce another Batman Beyond show or a movie? Do they not want money?
Anonymous No.150022241 >>150023432
>>150021651
That's actually a good point. Despite Terry having a cutting edge suit (Even though it's old), most of his wins are either from his street smarts or using underhanded tactics. He doesn't have the skills or the training
He's a dirty fighter
Anonymous No.150022268
>>150018426 (OP)
No, too Irish sounding and we hate the Irish here
Anonymous No.150022470
>>150018426 (OP)
Terry is still schway.
Anonymous No.150023432 >>150029887
>>150022241
That and he also relies on Bruce's advice mid fights, he's not as good as Bruce at fighting, but he has his advantages over Bruce. For one, he has a mentor.
Anonymous No.150023449
I hate Damien so much.
Anonymous No.150024444
>>150019195
I actually wanted a teenage Bruce Wayne series
Anonymous No.150025124 >>150025275 >>150033921
>>150018426 (OP)
Him explicitly being less brilliant than Bruce seems like something that would cause him problems once Bruce kicks the bucket.
Anonymous No.150025146
>>150019417
based
Anonymous No.150025154 >>150025541 >>150025603
>>150019543
Im glad they canned that. Spiderverse is a fucking cancer and they're ruined so much already, I dont want them to rape Terry too.
Anonymous No.150025275 >>150025362
>>150025124
So he's on a timer to get good
It's probably a bonus in his (and Bruce's) eyes that he might have to depend on having a stronger support team too, like Max and potentially other friends, instead of going it alone all the time
Anonymous No.150025356
>>150018426 (OP)
Anonymous No.150025362 >>150025454
>>150025275
I dunno if Max is capable enough to do shit like upgrade his suit and shit. Bruce put that thing together like twenty years before he met Terry. It's so advanced that it's still potent decades later. But there will come a day when it'll be rendered obsolete. It's gonna happen sooner or later. So can Terry or Max create a better suit?
Anonymous No.150025454 >>150027582
>>150025362
If they can't, they can probably find someone who can, Gotham and the rest of the world is clearly still full of capable weirdos
That or it's decently automated, it's future tech with functional AI after all
They are also fixing up the suit during the actual show, too, so presumably Terry can pick up a thing or two and has some input about the suit as it progresses, like with the camouflage option early on

If Max just stays as the Oracle equivalent I'm sure they'd eventually give Terry his own Lucius Fox (there was that Armory guy he fought and sent to jail, maybe he can be redeemed and help out)
Anonymous No.150025536 >>150025539 >>150028274 >>150035818
Why
Anonymous No.150025539 >>150025574
>>150025536
Timm needed to cuck one last redhead
Anonymous No.150025541
>>150025154
ur gay
Anonymous No.150025561 >>150025568
>>150019373
Terry fans literally love Static Shock
Anonymous No.150025568 >>150027487
>>150025561
They love him so much they butcher his hero name
Anonymous No.150025574 >>150025591 >>150025615
>>150025539
Zoomers and understanding what cuck means, challenge impossible
Anonymous No.150025591
>>150025574
>Raises someone else's kid unwittingly
When did cuckoos lose the copyright to cuckoldry
Who cucketh the cuckoo
Anonymous No.150025603 >>150025614 >>150027533 >>150030665
>>150025154
This, and the fact that they took future Gotham and just depicted as the same Blade Runner bullshit is totally lame. It sucked when the modern 2099 comics started to apply the same thing to Nueva York, and was a total breath of fresh air when PAD (rip) reined things back in to its actual style with Symbiote Spider-Man 2099. It's baffling that anyone can look at >>150019543 and have any faith in the project
Anonymous No.150025614 >>150028319
>>150025603
They have gutted 2099 over the years aswell. All of the grime and grit of those original comics has been completely drained away and replaced with the same cookie cutter bullshit you see implemented across all the other marvel properties. Ghost Rider 2099 and Miguel are the best examples of that much.
Anonymous No.150025615
>>150025574
Is there a more commonly accepted term for having your balls genetically altered without your consent or knowledge to shoot someone else's semen so you raise another man's kid with your wife
Anonymous No.150026236 >>150026586
>>150018426 (OP)
Yeah I like him
Anonymous No.150026586
>>150026236
he's handsome
Anonymous No.150026749 >>150026822 >>150026869 >>150027186 >>150027645
what if terry but girl?
Would it make the cucking conspiracy any less weird?
Anonymous No.150026753
>>150019840
He doesn't, that anon is a schizo
Anonymous No.150026822
>>150026749
If anything it gives Bruce someone to fuck so it makes it more weird
But Terry's (Terri? Teri?) gender doesn't have much to do with it
I absolutely would with the power of a thousand suns though
Anonymous No.150026869 >>150030698
>>150026749
This looks more like NB Terry than Girl Terry.
Anonymous No.150027186
>>150026749
>Still called Batman to keep the symbol alive and obfuscate her identity more
>Plays better with the idea that Bruce's successor is weaker and less skilled.
I like it. But only if the suit is bulky and gives her an androgynous look.
Anonymous No.150027459
>>150019840
Milesfags and ziglar hates Terry and Mayday, and that is the bottom line.
Anonymous No.150027487
>>150025568
Because Static Shock is also his name too, and Virgil uses it.
Virgil himself is more worthy of being a super hero than Miles Muttrales, since he is true black living off a black hood than Miles who was born with everything and had a easy life.
Anonymous No.150027533
>>150025603
The original Beyond Neo-Gotham was literally Art Deco Cyberpunk
They kept the spirit of the original city and made it Cyberpunk, which fit perfectly.
It was the spirit of 90's future cyberpunk ideas with Batman's OG Art Deco.

We will never get that evert again thanks to fucking Denny O'neil destroying Gotham out of spite in No Man's Land and turning it into generic Manhathan and SHITcago
Anonymous No.150027582
>>150025454
Neo Gothic already gave that when the cast had to leave the city due to the "totally not failsafe" killing Bruce
Terry not only worked on the suit himself but found people who believed in him to free gotham.

Also it pretty much gave the best Batsuit Upgrade ever which is the Nanotech Holomatter tech
Someone should stortytime those 2 stories someday
Anonymous No.150027645 >>150027858 >>150029784
>>150026749
That is Dick's daughter Elainna Grayson aka Batwoman Beyond pretty much is rule 63 terry
And she is Dick and Helena's daughter
Anonymous No.150027858
>>150027645
neat
Anonymous No.150027994
>>150019531
Also:
Bruce has a chronic problem with being a moody loner. But he also has a soft spot for troubled kids. Him begrudgingly agreeing to help Terry is rooted in both his obsessive crimefighter streak and his desire to help people, to prevent anyone else from having to suffer the loss that he did.
Paradoxically, he's one of the most likely heroes to do the whole 'yeah I'll make you my successor' thing.
The world being set in future also allows Bruce to have his own little arc of dealing with being... outdated, so to speak. His villains are dead or retired, his sidekicks grew up and left, he's too decrepit to be Batman, and the world itself is completely different physically (from tech to architecture).
Also, the series benefitted MASSIVELY from being original AND not being a guaranteed success. Writers could kill off their villains and not be obligated to bring them back unless they wanted to. Characters came and went as needed, self-contained storylines too.
Of course, there was its fair share of meddling, which lead to Max being a recurring thing and later episodes being more teenager-focused, but that's small potatoes compared to what other series endured.
Anonymous No.150028069 >>150028371
>>150018426 (OP)
Yes. He's what a "I'm the new X hero" should fucking be. Everything about him is great because he's a Batman who is his OWN BATMAN, not a strictly trained by Bruce from childhood Batman.

Fuck, what makes Tim, Jason or Dick GOOD again?
Anonymous No.150028096
>>150019373
No, we hate Miles because he is what Terry COULD have been. A pushed on us, soulless husk whose motto is NAH, IMMA DO MY OWN THANG NIGGA. And HE survives Ultimate universe dying?! Pete died for shit!
Anonymous No.150028264 >>150033574
>>150018426 (OP)
He's cool but wasn't he retconned to be inferior to Damian in everything? Fuck, I hate Damian, too little too late to change that annoying piece of shit and the movies didn't help
Anonymous No.150028274
>>150025536
This could have been less problematic if at least one of Terry’s parents simply had black hair, did Waller REALLY have to choose the singular redhead couple in all of Neo Gotham?
Anonymous No.150028319
>>150025614
How did movie fuck over Miguel so much in design? Like, just use 2099, done.
Anonymous No.150028371
>>150028069
>Jason
It's funny to see him flounder and be a complete schizophrenic who changes motivations every run.
Anonymous No.150028464
>>150018426 (OP)
Anonymous No.150029595 >>150029875
>>150021745
Because they hate Beyond and wish it never succeeded like it did.
Anonymous No.150029784 >>150029864
>>150027645
That's cool
Anonymous No.150029804 >>150029875 >>150039358
>>150021745
They hate the fact that Beyond was successful
That's it. That's why Beyond and Terry get treated like shit in everything. Because DC hates how everyone likes it
Anonymous No.150029864 >>150029883
>>150029784
is that thing, damian never became batman to become head of the clan, dick left to become a politician and terry was the only one who stepped into Bruce's shoes and fit perfectly.
and he now has to deal with the fact that his brothers are not schway, but morons.
Anonymous No.150029875 >>150034860
>>150029595
>>150029804
If I was a bigwig fatcat executive that likes money, I would simply do the thing that people like and makes money.
Maybe I'm just built different idk
Anonymous No.150029883 >>150030543
>>150029864
Anonymous No.150029887 >>150029932
>>150023432
>For one, he has a mentor.
He's also mentally sound and has friends. I like that there was a big point of Terry NOT cutting himself off from people
Anonymous No.150029932 >>150030258
>>150029887
That's honestly the biggest point Terry has over the rest of the Batfamily
He's not an orphan. he doesn't have much trauma outside of his father's murder but that was resolved
He's mentally sound. A normal kid with a normal school life. Sure he's been to juvie and he's trying to make ammends for the things he's done and the people he's hurt. But out of everyone he's the most normal. And has a life
And I like how even as he got older, he never pushed anyone away like what Bruce did. Hell he was planning on proposing to Dana in Epilogue AND continue to be Batman
Anonymous No.150029976 >>150030133
Beyond is peak kino
Anonymous No.150030133 >>150030377
>>150029976
>Never tapping that ass
Honestly terry's biggest crime
Anonymous No.150030258 >>150030299
>>150029932
Neo Gothic ended the same.
Mostly thanks to Bruce and Babs contingence plan finally going to work
Anonymous No.150030299 >>150030380
>>150030258
Man I gotta read Neo Gothic
Anonymous No.150030377
>>150030133
i swore it was implied they fucked, they spent a whole night together and are seen in the morning with her wearing his coat. all while him and dana were on a break and they clearly wanted each other badly They just couldn't come out and say it since it was a kids show
Anonymous No.150030380 >>150034241
>>150030299
just to know, terry's future is literally the bad end of the originals for never facing their demons.
Anonymous No.150030476 >>150030566 >>150034924
>>150021436
>Terry's batch of unique villains
You mean all the one shot jobbers and literally whos?
Anonymous No.150030543
>>150029883
Terry looking like an old man here
Anonymous No.150030566 >>150030786
>>150030476
Yes? Because why not flesh them out in a playable experience?
Anonymous No.150030665
>>150025603
>Nueva York

cuidadin que van a sospechar los yankis...
Anonymous No.150030698
>>150026869
So, Girl Terry who insists she's some heretofore unknown third sex.
Anonymous No.150030786 >>150031021 >>150031522
>>150030566
Because most of them are either dead or worse than dead and the rest are schmucks.
Anonymous No.150031021
>>150030786
This. Blight and Inque were the only standouts, but the former died too soon and the latter almost never appeared.
Anonymous No.150031522
>>150030786
Well that's what you'd work with, other than OCs which would most likely end up as even more forgettable one-off jobbers (like the comics villains) or reuse Batman staples (oh boy another Bane fight)
You will make Spellbinder and Willie Watt boss fights and you will make them cool
Anonymous No.150031597
>>150019195
This is why always scoff when people defend bad or mediocre shows by saying "at least the premise is good." The premise doesn't mean shit, it's the writing itself that matters.
Anonymous No.150031949 >>150032218 >>150033563
You think Terry has a big dick?
Anonymous No.150032218
>>150031949
He's a small dic king.
Anonymous No.150032564
only hated by batfags who completely missed the point.
Anonymous No.150032818
>>150019373
I ALSO hate him because he was made by a jew to replace Peter.
Also fuck rap music.
Also fuck his ugly nigger hair and face.
Anonymous No.150033366 >>150033466
>>150021436
I mean, we were going to get one but we'd play as Damian and not Terry
Anonymous No.150033466 >>150039780 >>150048301 >>150050675
>>150033366
Because Damian is Bruce's TRUE and HONEST biological son and thus TRUE and HONEST rightful heir. Terry is an abomination born of Waller using Science to create a new type of cuckoldry, and thus he is not a TRUE and HONEST biological son of Bruce Wayne.
Anonymous No.150033563 >>150034952
>>150031949
He inherited Bruce's dick so yeah
Anonymous No.150033574
>>150019543
>>150019636
I'm thankful to God that this was canned. A Beyond movie deserves its own visual style, not to copy and go behind Spider-Verse's popular success. Beyond should be a trailblazer. A Neo-Gothic Cyberpunk World, built on top of the ruined foundations of a once great city.
>>150028264
Isn't everyone inferior to Damian? Everything I've seen with Damian in it, he's always the best.
Anonymous No.150033605 >>150036147
>>150018426 (OP)
>Does /co/ still like Terry McGinnis?
I never have and never will. Should've been a Nightwing series.
Anonymous No.150033921
>>150025124
Plenty of Batman's successors aren't also super geniuses. Jason has never been a 300 IQ genius inventor or hacker, Steph is so stupid she literally couldn't even beat teen pregnancy, Gotham Girl is borderline retarded and mentally ill. Terry is smart but he's not stupid comic book super-scientist smart and that's fine, it helps differentiate him from Bruce
Anonymous No.150034191 >>150034499 >>150034573 >>150035064
Beyond is sad because Bruce ultimately failed to redeem Gotham. Sure all his rogues are dead or invalid, but Gotham is a total shithole in Beyond. Youth gangs are more rampant than they ever were in Bruce's time, there's a new jackass causing trouble every other week. The fact that Terry's dad died in such a gruesome way and he ended up having to become Batman is the ultimate proof of Bruce's failure. Bruce wanted to create a world that didn't need Batman. He didn't even come close to achieving that dream.
Anonymous No.150034241 >>150034481
>>150030380
In other words, the day when Bruce stops being Batman is when everything goes to hell, according to DC.
Anonymous No.150034481
>>150034241
It does kinda sorta fit a sort of minor consistent theme in DC though. Clark and Bruce's era is often portrayed as the "golden age" of DC's superheroes, the one that future generations like the Legion of Superheroes collectively look up to as the gold standard. In fact, even in timelines in which someone succeeds Bruce as Batman, they're very rarely actually shown to surpass or even match up to him. Bruce is pretty much always THE Batman, the one whose legacy future generations struggle to live up to.

In the best cases, this isn't really a problem. You don't have to match up to the golden generation to do well. But in the worst cases, such as in the DCAU, it's rough. The future Justice League we see in Beyond and the Chronos story arc in JLU never really feel like they're as good as the Original Seven. The world of the future portrayed in Batman Beyond doesn't really feel like it's in a better shape than it was when Bruce and Clark were at their prime. In many ways, it just feels so much worse off. It also, like, doesn't help that Clark was controlled by an alien starfish for who knows how long.

In the case of Terry, while he IS able to etch out his own identity as Batman, there isn't much confidence that he'll truly surpass or at least compare to Bruce in terms of overall ability. Which is a problem because, again, Gotham's a worse shithole than it was in Bruce's time.
Anonymous No.150034499 >>150034650 >>150034681
>>150034191
The youth gangs are kids TV-safe posers and the majority of the new jackasses are either dead or wishing they were after one encounter with Batman. Beyond Gotham is objectively better off than in Bruce's time. There's no credible criminals or credible supercriminals around.
Anonymous No.150034573 >>150034601 >>150034634 >>150034650
>>150034191
Beyond Gotham is 1000x better than old Gotham. Hell most of the gangs are just wannabe posers who learned about old Gotham from school and wanted to be cool
Outside of splicers, Neo-Gotham was pretty safe
Anonymous No.150034601 >>150034694
>>150034573
Maybe if all the Joker themed gangs were doing Clockwork Orange shit instead of snatching purses and skulking around arcades that Anon would have a point.
Anonymous No.150034634 >>150034659 >>150035123
>>150034573
>tfa Terry never fought gangs of splicers who were all autistic sexual deviants like real life furries are
Anonymous No.150034640
There's a dystopic feel to Beyond due to just how utterly uninhibited major corporations seem to be.
Anonymous No.150034650
>>150034499
>>150034573
Hell, the biggest threats to Neo-Gotham are when the actual big-name villains from Bruce's time show up again, like Joker and Mr. Freeze.
Anonymous No.150034659 >>150034696
>>150034634
>autistic sexual deviants
I thought that was the Jokerz.
Anonymous No.150034681
>>150034499
There is that line from Dana about "It's Gotham" when they hear someone scream for help which makes me think either things are still pretty bad under the surface or Gotham just has its reputation of being a shithole attached to it forever, but compared to what's actually shown in the show things are pretty decent, or at least too shallowly established to know for sure
I think there's just that audience expectation of "it's cyberpunk so things are bad" but compared to a lot of other cyberpunk media things could be a lot worse
Even the corporate greed and heavy-handed policing/government are fairly tame, even compared to some of the shit that happens in other DCAU series (like the Terrific Trio compared to Cadmus)

I think if Beyond dug a little deeper into its setting and how people actually lived day to day we'd see more of the rot that the show only suggests
Anonymous No.150034694 >>150035003
>>150034601
It's really interesting when you think about it. the worst Neo-Gotham had was just common theft. But it was fine for the most part
it only really got bad ironically once Batman re-appeared and all of Bruce's old villains began to re-emerge. But compared to Old Gotham, Neo-Gotham was better.
Anonymous No.150034696
>>150034659
No, the Jokerz are gangs of gamers rising up against the oppressive socirty that denies them their right to drink ocean water.
Anonymous No.150034860
>>150029875
They don't mind making money as much as we would assume.
Otherwise, we'd already have a BB movie with Michael Keaton as Bruce.
Anonymous No.150034924 >>150034979
>>150030476
It makes sense in the context of Beyond. Things are still bad, but not as bad as when Bruce was younger. It shows that, while Batman is still needed, Bruce did manage to make some changes for the city to have a better future.
Anonymous No.150034952 >>150035143
>>150033563
Who inherited the Jason.
Anonymous No.150034965
>>150018426 (OP)
Yeah, he's cool.
Anonymous No.150034979 >>150035054
>>150034924
I don't think that was the intention with Beyond's portrayal of Gotham.
Anonymous No.150034988
>>150018426 (OP)
I like Batman Beyond, but Terry himself is a smaller part of that, honestly.

There's nothing specifically wrong with him, and he does have some appeal in his different approach and ethos to Bruce, but a lot of the other characters are more interesting.
Anonymous No.150035003
>>150034694
>the worst Neo-Gotham had was just common theft.
I think that's being a little too generous, villains like Inque and Curare (and that whole assassin organisation she was part of) were active prior to Batman returning, and guys like Stalker, Mad Stan and Kobra probably were too
Then you've got more corporate level stuff like nuclear waste dumping that resulted in Earth Mover and whatever was going on with Zeta
Of course, considering what was happening during the BTAS (and JL/U if we want to retroactively add that) days it's not like any of that is that crazy in comparison

Maybe it's more fair to say that Bruce didn't see Gotham become as good as he wanted it to be; he retired when the job was half done and he knew it could slip back if people weren't vigilant, he does have those issues with control and paranoia
Anonymous No.150035054
>>150034979
It might not be intentional, but it's what it looks. Things are as bad as they can be in a "dystopian future", but the level of despair and violence from older Gotham seems to have decreased. The future still needs a Batman, but one that is still cutting his teeth and not as seasoned as Bruce.
Anonymous No.150035057 >>150035081
>>150018426 (OP)
>>150019195
I don't like Terry for the same reason I don't like Ben Reilly, Dickbats, or Miles Morales
its not the og character
Anonymous No.150035064
>>150034191
You're never going to solve ALL of crime, that's a nebulous idea, a big city is going to have some sort of crime.
But if Batman's presence can make one less orphan, save one person who might go on to help another in some way, or help someone in some way where their life would be worse otherwise, then it's worth it. To save one life is a big responsibility, let alone many. It's not negated by tragedies still happening.
Anonymous No.150035081 >>150035150
>>150035057
jump off a bridge Joe Quesada
Anonymous No.150035110
>>150019373
we hate Miles because he is shoved down our throats as DA BETTER SPIDER MAN YO, DA REAL SPIDER MAN YOOO NOT PETER PARKER while Terry fucks up and learns from Bruce, existing alongside him and his life long Bat legacy in a world he can no longer protect. Terry was not made to be shoved down your throat as a better real true Batman than Bruce, but another bats, basically a more powerful Robin now that Bruce lives in the batcave forever
Anonymous No.150035123
>>150034634
Because they were tweakers instead. Although the main scientist guy seemed really excited to turn Dana into something furry.
Anonymous No.150035126
I still think the craziest thing about Beyond's setting is that there are still forests and greenery around
Hell, there's enough gorillas around that they're only on the verge of extinction and not outright extinct
How has the natural world not been paved over by that point
Anonymous No.150035143
>>150034952
Not the same person who inherited the Tim
Anonymous No.150035150
>>150035081
hmm? Joe Quesada is one of my most hated in the game.
The whole legacy character onslaught we saw in the 2000s/early 10s was brought on by people like Quesada, Breevort, Didio, etc
Anonymous No.150035818 >>150035838 >>150036047 >>150036162 >>150042584 >>150044877 >>150046165
>>150025536
Because it's cooler than Terry just being some guy.
Anonymous No.150035838 >>150035883
>>150035818
This but the exact opposite
Anonymous No.150035883 >>150035946
>>150035838
Shut up shill. You don't have to repeat this every time someone posts about Batman Beyond.
Anonymous No.150035906 >>150043147
How do you do Superman beyond?
Anonymous No.150035946
>>150035883
That's us, the shills getting paid to post that Terry is cool on his own
I'm cashing my check right now
Anonymous No.150036010
>>150019401
TRVTHNVKE
Anonymous No.150036047 >>150037333
>>150035818
just being some guy makes it cooler, though?
Anonymous No.150036147
>>150033605
Fag
Anonymous No.150036159 >>150036238
Would Terry and Dick be friends?
Anonymous No.150036162
>>150035818
How?
Anonymous No.150036238
>>150036159
Would Terry like Dick?
Anonymous No.150036268
Now!
Anonymous No.150036309
>>150019373
You're probably being facetious, but still
What do the people who say this think about Blade and Static being generally well-liked characters by everyone?
Anonymous No.150036325 >>150037269
The idea that anyone can do what Bruce did with a bit of training and a cool suit does sort of cheapen the idea of Batman. Bruce was not only talented to begin with, but also dedicated nearly every minute of his life to being Batman. He put himself through the wringer for years to train and educate himself the point where he could do what he set out to do. For all his sheer talent and genius, he couldn't let up on himself for a moment. Constant discipline. It destroyed his relationships, but it seems to me that he had no choice but to go that far to reach the the heights that he did. That if he didn't dedicate every single second of his existence to being Batman, then he probably wouldn't have been good enough to be one of the Original Seven of the Justice League. He's a mortal who stands beside the likes of Superman and Wonder Woman.

If Bruce didn't destroy his life and relationships and push himself to the limit every single day, Batman wouldn't have become the legend he would be in Beyond.
Anonymous No.150036448
>>150019373
I'm black, I hate Miles because he has zero individuality. He is just black Peter Parker and he primarily exists for the writer to push their weird compartmentalized white guilt.
Anonymous No.150037269 >>150037362 >>150037748
>>150036325
Batman Beyond does for the most part discuss what it takes to live up to Batman, we get to see Terry get beat up, get tricked, sabotage his relationships. The film is mostly about how Terry isn't like Bruce and both can't and shouldn't be that kind of Batman that Bruce was. Gotham changed over the years and the same adamant mindset that let Bruce be Batman in the first place also doesn't let him change into the Batman that Gotham needs in the grim dark future of 2020.
Anonymous No.150037333 >>150037358
>>150036047
Batman is not just some guy
Anonymous No.150037358 >>150037379
>>150037333
Get off Bruce's dick
Anonymous No.150037362 >>150037477 >>150037684
>>150037269
It's not about change, it's about sheer effort. Ultimately, it means that Terry doesn't need to try a quarter as hard as Bruce did. Being Batman is just easier in Beyond. Less talent or effort required.
Anonymous No.150037379 >>150037409
>>150037358
That's what Wonder Woman, Catwoman, Hawkgirl, and Batwoman's boyfriends all say
Anonymous No.150037409 >>150037619
>>150037379
>cuckshit out of nowhere
Brucefags canonically have a cuck fetish
Anonymous No.150037477 >>150037505 >>150038182
>>150037362
It helps that almost all of Terry's enemies are jokes compared to Bruce's.
Anonymous No.150037505 >>150037525
>>150037477
Strictly speaking, Bruce got his start just trying to take down the mob. There weren't any supercriminals at the very beginning of his tenure. For all his training and discipline, he only barely managed to take down a small group of thieves in his first outing.
Anonymous No.150037525
>>150037505
And even the mob was a harder fight than the chucklefucks Terry is up against.
Anonymous No.150037619 >>150037739
>>150037409
What?
Anonymous No.150037684 >>150038813
>>150037362
To be fair, we met a Bruce that was already hardened by experience. Terry's just a teenager. We couldn't tell what kind of Batman he's gonna be by the time he reached 30.
Anonymous No.150037708 >>150037803 >>150043472
>>150019560
As someone who doesn't have a dog in this race, I like Terry, but Damian is a cool avenue for the Batstory to proceed. Nightwing is a good story of a true Chad Batman that hasn't sold his soul to the cowl, and Damian is a good story of being the blood heir and having to deal with true darkness of the soul the way Batman does. The problem with Damian is all the animated movies with him over the last decade make him a whiny brat. The arc is he grows past that, but still.

I have a cousin who talks about how Hollywood refuses to do a Batman Beyond movie, as well as the fact is if they even tried they'd fuck it up.
Anonymous No.150037739 >>150037779
>>150037619
They speak English in What?
Anonymous No.150037748
>>150037269
Future Gotham ain't that grim tbf. OG Gotham was inspired by film noir style that fits well with Bruce Batman being a dark shadow. New Gotham is brighter and youthful. Fits well with a younger and more cheerful Batman.
Anonymous No.150037779
>>150037739
I'm just confused where that asspull came from
Anonymous No.150037803 >>150047727
>>150037708
I'd like that none of the Robins become Batman, and Terry's one that comes into the hero world from scratch without any baggage aside from looking for justice.
As being Bruce's heir, I'd prefer Damian doing something else like become the new Alfred, but not as much as a butler, but rather a technical or tactician support for Terry like his father does, while also fighting on his own.
Anonymous No.150038182 >>150038923 >>150039488 >>150041650
>>150037477
I do like Terry's rogues gallery. Shriek, Spellbinder, and Inque are neat
But it's definitely smaller than Bruce's especially sicne Terry doesn't really shy away from killing even if it's accidental
Anonymous No.150038813
>>150037684
Does it matter? Terry doesn't need to dedicate so much of his time and life to training and discipline and constant vigilance. So that automatically means he doesn't have to try as hard. Bruce's life was completely consumed by Batman, and even then he could only barely keep up with his duties.
Anonymous No.150038923
>>150038182
Terry's rogues are in general either less resiliant or more self-destructive. Bruce's rogues could more or less be divided into two categories:
A) Those who can more or less easily be dealt with without excessive endangerment to their lives. Think criminals like Cobblepot and Wesker. In general, these guys aren't super likely to get themselves killed unnecessarily, and Batman doesn't have to resort to extreme tactics in order to bring them down either.
B) Those who are resilient enough to seemingly die, only to come back alive the following month no worse for the where. Joker and Fries sometimes went missing and presumed dead at the end of certain capers, but they always came back. In these cases, Bruce isn't able to save them but it ultimately doesn't matter. They're like cockroaches.

Terry's rogues, on the other hand, often seem to have a heavily impaired sense of self-preservation. Couple that with Terry being relatively unskilled compared to Bruce, meaning he can't really afford to hold back and still come out on top. Take the guy who used the Venom patches the buff himself up. Terry overdosed him with the patches because he couldn't really figure out any other way to win, but Bruce probably wouldn't have needed to go that far to apprehend him. He's dealt with worse.
Anonymous No.150038997
>>150019544
Would all of the other shit people hate about Miles be changed too? Like those pages where they have other characters say that Miles is the better Spider-Man, including Peter himself, giving Miles powers like a shonen manga protag in an effort to get him over, etc.?

All that stuff would still have people hating him.
Anonymous No.150039108 >>150042161
>>150019479
I don't understand the Spider-Man comparison. Peter and Terry are nothing alike. Peter is a dorky bullied everyman and Terry is a troubled bad boy who just barely escape going to juvie with his dumbass friend. Peter is an orphan, Terry only lost his dad. Peter is all about responsibility, while Terry is all about redemption. Peter is his own man, Terry is trying to live up to Bruce's legacy and make it his own. The only thing they have in concept is loving a loved one.
Anonymous No.150039358
>>150029804
hey he lived through that crisis animated thing they did
Anonymous No.150039475 >>150039502 >>150045630
>>150019543
This is ass. Beyond aesthetics > Into The Gay Niggas verse.
Anonymous No.150039488
>>150038182
>But it's definitely smaller than Bruce's
And the individual rogues are worse.
Anonymous No.150039502
>>150039475
This.
It's very clear that the person who made this concept for the movie never actually watched Beyond.
Neo Gotham isn't that fucking bright, it's not fucking Tokyo.
Anonymous No.150039780 >>150039827 >>150040109
>>150033466
Terry is a tall, handsome gigachad whereas Damian is pug-faced, norwooding turbomanlet. It's obvious that Terry is the true heir to the Wayne name.
Anonymous No.150039827 >>150040066
>>150039780
No he's not, Damien is. Because Damien is from Bruce nutting in a woman, not from ultra cucking.
Anonymous No.150040009
>>150018426 (OP)
Did the main universe Terry die in the comics?
Anonymous No.150040066 >>150040148
>>150039827
Someone ought to rape you.
Anonymous No.150040109 >>150040989
>>150039780
It's not even that. It's Damien's attitude. He's an unlikeable little asshole. I kinda wish the comics were more realistic, in that he shouldn't be able to be so effective at hand to hand due to his adolescent body, lack of adult musculature, and low bodyweight. He would need to use weapons to win every fight, and it would still only be about 50/50. That would humble him properly. He's only a smug jackass because because he's never really been wrecked.
Anonymous No.150040148
>>150040066
Whoa, there. See, Commish, this is what The Bat was talking about. Once you go THAT far, you can't just put it back in the box. You make that exception once, and it becomes the go-to. You'll never come back from it.
Anonymous No.150040989
>>150040109
>in that he shouldn't be able to be so effective at hand to hand due to his adolescent body, lack of adult musculature, and low bodyweight. He would need to use weapons to win every fight,
To be fair, Damian DOES use a lot of weapons, and is hardly the strongest in the batfamily. His feats aren't really much more than what most Robins can do; which is to say able to beat grown men in the bat books and able to hold their own against aliens and demons in team books.
It's superhero fiction, you rarely go by the real body limitations; otherwise most nonpowered heroes would have as brief careers as Nolan Batman and you'd never have any non-powered heroines or villainesses
Anonymous No.150041650 >>150041674
>>150038182
He needs a spliced Catwoman. Or a pride of them.
Anonymous No.150041671
>>150018426 (OP)
I like him and he is a white man not asian.
Anonymous No.150041674 >>150044587
>>150041650
He has Dana. Sorry anon
Terry is firmly in the Danabowl (despite Ten making him question it all)
Anonymous No.150041791
>>150018426 (OP)
I do I also like beyond's spiritual successor Tron Uprising.
Anonymous No.150041858
>>150019365
incredible cope pretending they even think about terry
Anonymous No.150042062
>>150019373
I hate Miles because he's not Mayday.
Anonymous No.150042104
>>150018426 (OP)
He's no Fearless Ferret but he's alright.
Anonymous No.150042161
>>150039108
It’s because the show-runners have directly said they were inspired by Spider-man, and they were taking inspiration, and the’y were taking inspiration from the late 60’s-70’s stuff where Peter was college aged and a handsome, capable adult with a healthy social life.
You’re probably thinking of Spider-man more ina post-2000 lease influenced by the Raimi movies, Ultimate, and the MCU
Anonymous No.150042584
>>150035818
It REALLY isn't though. Damian's fucking lame because he thinks that he deserves the Batman mantle because he's Bruce's son. Batman isn't some family business, it's a MISSION.
Anonymous No.150042617
>>150018426 (OP)
It has just occured to me that Terry and Damian are technically brothers and I absolutely hate this. Any relation to Damian makes any character less interesting by default.
Anonymous No.150043147
>>150035906
That's just Kingdom Come Superman but less depressed.
Anonymous No.150043447 >>150043453 >>150043752
>>150019373
Comic book miles is a legit nothing characters compared to Peter. People only started to notice him as a characters for the Sony movies, where he's an actual character compared to the shitty comic version.
Anonymous No.150043453 >>150043652
>>150043447
Okay, buddy
Anonymous No.150043472 >>150044580
>>150037708
Everyone who knows about the actual batlore knows reviving jason and creating dominance was an extremely bad concept, because jason was the batman version of Gwen Stacy to make batman see his failures while Damian was just an excuse to have a blood son with the worst love interest, just to make him another robin when we were already on the 4th one if you count Stephanie brown.
As stupid as the earth having 9 earth green lanterns.
Anonymous No.150043652
>>150043453
Glad you agree
Anonymous No.150043752 >>150043817
>>150043447
his greatest feat was taking a hamburger out of his asshole to feed that guy
Anonymous No.150043817
>>150043752
I still laugh about that one, as retarded as the character itself.
The page is even worst, because it used bendis speech.
Anonymous No.150044580
>>150043472
Dominance? Was that the name of the robot that wanted to replace Batman?
Anonymous No.150044587 >>150045056
>>150041674
No, I mean a cat-themed female ENEMY, not as a criminal love interest. That's one of the most iconic Batman legacies. He's got the JokerZ, where's his literal Catwoman, now that they have splicing tech? Is there one in the comics?
Anonymous No.150044637
>>150019544
>what would have happened if Miles is introduced as a Spiderman from the future
His comics would have sold even worse and he would've been ported to 616 even faster.
Anonymous No.150044708
>>150018426 (OP)
Yes.
He's how you do a character that inherits the legacy.
Anonymous No.150044877
>>150035818
I know this is bait, but I still mad.
Anonymous No.150045056
>>150044587
He has a Catwoman Beyond in the comics, but she's just a normal human thief with the power to clone herself nine times.
Anonymous No.150045630
>>150039475
Neo Gotham is literally Art Deco Cyberpunk.
Which no one has replicated til this day.
Anonymous No.150046103 >>150046116 >>150046283 >>150047705
So how many years after Batman's "present day" is Beyond compared to TDKR? Because if we wanted to give Terry a credible enemy, the Mutants would be great for that. Either an older version of their leader from TDKR is in charge, or one of his lieutenants went "The future is now, old man" on him recent-ish-ly.
Anonymous No.150046116
>>150046103
*this Earth's iteration of the Mutants
Anonymous No.150046131
>>150019373
He is puerto rican
Anonymous No.150046165
>>150035818
Based
Anonymous No.150046283 >>150046319 >>150047345 >>150047705
>>150046103
When TDKR came out, it was nebulously meant to be the present day, maybe a few years in the future, since Reagan was president and Batman was thematically meant to be the Golden/Silver Age version(even with aspects like Jason having been Robin.)
Otherwise it was about 10 years into the future from when Batman retired.
TDKR's ending is fairly incongruous with Beyond though, since the mutants end up becoming Batman's footsoldiers the Sons of Batman by the end.
Anonymous No.150046319 >>150046485
>>150046283
TDKR was literally Batman 66's future, miller doesn't hide that.
Hell, even Adam West's voiced one of TDKR Bruce lines during a documentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ211GBe6e0

We lost him to robocop.
The Demon !!M8l/yr+lkFj No.150046342 >>150046385 >>150046386
How did you like Melanie's redemption? She eventually is part of the batman beyond family which is a bit much but her redeeming herself felt natural
Anonymous No.150046385
>>150046342
Melanie should had been Batwoman Beyond with her brother being the Oracle, but Elainna in the comic isn't bad.
The Demon !!M8l/yr+lkFj No.150046386
>>150046342

The reason why I like her is because she felt like a successor to catwoman of sorts which fit the theme of beyond
Anonymous No.150046485
>>150046319
Not necessarily '66, but the comics '66 was adapting. The second bat suit he wears is meant to represent the Golden Age bat suit(even though the bat is much bigger), the ears being smaller is also a reference to Dick Sprang
Anonymous No.150047345 >>150048504
>>150046283
I know, this isn't the same Earth as that one. Different incarnation.
Anonymous No.150047705
>>150046103
Beyond is 20 years after Batman retires, so if we were to go by >>150046283 then the Mutants would have had an extra decade to settle in
Timelines aside I think you could probably get away with meshing some other "future Batman" stuff into Beyond, considering the small timeframe Beyond existed in when it was being aired compared to the broader Batverse (or even just the DCAU in general)
I always thought it was kind of a shame that we pretty much only had the Jokerz and the T's, I like seeing wacky cyberpunk/supervillain gangs
Anonymous No.150047727
>>150037803
Yeah, I don't think Batman is something you graduate into. It's not some kind of rank system or competition to see who can attain the cowl, it's a whole damn mindset. Terry isn't some chosen one or designated successor, he took that damn thing with his own hands and forced the world to acknowledge that Batman was back.
Anonymous No.150047760
>>150019373
mike morris the bigger batman
Anonymous No.150048301 >>150050675
>>150033466
Huh, that gives me a idea. You know how we all agree Terry is the successor to Batman right? Why not make Damien thr successor to Bruce Wayne? Make him a rich playboy trying to better the world with autistic project management. Could make the whole Talia-body theft more fucked up at least
Anonymous No.150048423
>>150018426 (OP)
>Warren McGinnis: oh boy I can't wait to get home and nut in my wife
>Batman: I already nutted in you
Anonymous No.150048486
>>150018426 (OP)

They REALLY shouldn't have made him Bruce's son.

What a moronic decision to make that just devalues the character.
Anonymous No.150048504
>>150047345
If that's the case, just do whatever,no reason to even ask when DKR was set
Anonymous No.150049402
Why do we even have him, bro?
Anonymous No.150050526
Who the fuck hates Terry? Beyond was actually my first DCAU show because I was 5 when it debuted.

It was perfect. Even the last season I still have fond memories.

My only gripe is Justice League Unlimited's Epilogue. That was bullshit. I get why Waller did what she did and it kinda explains why Warren and Mary divorced (hello 2 black-haired sons while mom and dad have red and auburn hair? Anyone would suspect cheating).

And you guys also realize that Matt is also Bruce's son too...

I loved Return of the Joker, but the nanotech chip was too much of an asspull. Joker is clever but not THAT clever. I would've preferred if DCAU Tim developed a separate personality mimicking the Joker because of trauma (seriously this is even worse than comics Joker beating Jason Todd with a crowbar) from all that torture and brainwashing.

And while having Terry using his trash talk against Joker was great and makes perfect sense, he was VERY lucky to have gotten a hold of that electric buzzer. The real Joker would not have been defeated from a shock that would destroy his nanotech chip. Especially the one from Mask of the Phantasm which is the only other time we've truly seen a violent and scary Joker in the DCAU.
Anonymous No.150050675
>>150048301
>>150033466
I hate Damian. I prefer Ibn al Xu'ffasch from Kingdom Come.
Anonymous No.150052302
>>150018426 (OP)
I haven't watched cartoons in like 20 years.