Thread 150078299

when you make a comic about a strawman making a strawman....

I find this thread shallow and pedantic.

>>150078299 (OP)
I AM SILLY

>>150078299 (OP)
What if I made a thread to get mad about it.

>>150078299 (OP)
People like her aren't worth arguing with because they're too brain damaged to speak with. Also she's Canadian.

>>150078317
make a thread about how mad you are at the thread.

>>150078299 (OP)
The issue isn't the government forcing kids to cut off their genitals, it's the government allowing it to happen in the first place.

Wonder what her kid thinks about the porn pics

>>150078299 (OP)
Not a strawman, I have seen people actually thinking this was real.

>>150078325
no but they're fun to laugh at.
we all saw what happened when we used to just leave them alone

>>150078299 (OP)
I liked her better when she was a quirky chungus

>>150078299 (OP)
Someone post her nudes already

>>150078299 (OP)
Do these people seriously not understand that letting empirical facts be determined by people's emotional beliefs is a dangerous precedent to set up? What happens when someone can actively win a lawsuit because they believed they were wronged without any evidence? Oh wait... these kind of people support that too.

>>150078299 (OP)
The lady that drew this is the one that's a single mom and sells pictures of her roast beef pussy online, right?

>>150078345
are those people in the room with you now?

>>150078352
no she has a husband. and two kids. one autistic.
and yes she posts pics of her roast beef pussy online

>>150078350
please no. I want to sleep tonight

>>150078299 (OP)
Women empowered trannies and then complained when they started getting rocked in sports. They always create their own problems.

>>150078357
NTA, but yeah. One of them is my co-worker.

>>150078357
They are all over the internet.

>>150078389
>TREAD ON ME HARDER DADDY

>>150078299 (OP)
why is he saying "trans folks" instead of "trannies" or something with bite or any kind of authenticity

>>150078389
Striaght people have been in power for years and denying kids trans-care is literally happening right now. (and no, it does not consist of operating underage kids).

You are not making a point with that.

>>150078444
Wasted trips.

>>150078412
Oh No! Not the internet!

>>150078444
>trans-care
Isn't that just a form of conversation therapy?

>>150078389
kek

>>150078425
because she's never actually heard anyone talking like this.
She is angry at the fictional world she has created in her mind.

>>150078444
When you mess with people's children they become homicidal.

>>150078367
>no she has a husband.
Poor guy.

>>150078444
There's no such thing as transkids

>>150078405
He thinks they're gonna force all men to wear dresses?

>>150078299 (OP)
This reminds me of all those post menopausal fearmongering women from work
>if trump wins abortions will be illegal
>if trumps wins recreational sex will be illegal
>if trump wins pants will be illegal
>if trump wins he will enact sharia law

Is this straw man more or less crazed than those who insist we’re on the verge of becoming The Handmaid’s Tale?

>>150078648
Yet everyone left right and center are betting she'll be divorced soon after.

>>150078648
I don't understand

>>150078444
>trans-care
What PC tripe.
Call it what it is, growth-stunting hormones and cosmetic surgery via organ removal.

>>150078444
>denying kids trans-care
Children are not capable of informed consent. Letting them make choices on their gender is negligence.

>>150078705
Taylor swift's marriage destroys the Chuds...somehow...or something.
This is what dopes actually believe when they make up opponents in their head

>>150078648
The end is never

>>150078774
Leave Katy Perry alone. Her music doesn't suck.

>>150078357
I live in the deep south and a slightly less exaggerated version of this person is not that rare here. There's plenty of trans people and plenty of people who don't care or don't like trans people for reasons that are relatively more sane, but the idea that the state/schools/whatever will force you to be trans or gay or something is something I have encountered many times. This comic is still a little dumb anyway imo since it's still strawmanning to critique strawmanning

>>150078781
She's a terrible role model and a massive whore

>>150078785
so, it's NOT what the dope in the comic is saying.
it's more than a little dumb. it's just her typical crap

>>150078444
The use of puberty blockers for anything other than actual medical need (the shit it was created for in the first place) is medical abuse beyond anything else, it's medical castration of children and causes irreversible damage to the body.

>>150078444
>Striaght people have been in power for years
They aren't straight, they fuck little boys.

>>150078774
Do these retards not know that the hand maids tale was a criticism of Islam and not Christianity?

>>150078879
I remember reading (hearing?) once that a big reason why the parents of trans kids are so adamant about their position is that admitting they were wrong is basically admitting that they abused their kid and fucked up their whole biological life, which is, ya know, not a fun thing to have to deal with.

>>150078648
Harry sissyson: the left's plan to get me back on their side.

>>150078927
shhh, you're not allowed to criticize Islam. Dats Waysiss

>>150078950
remember when it was this...person?

>>150078444
Protip: the Healthcare system thinks you're mentally ill freaks just like everyone else, but they indulge your AGP nonsense so they can profit off your need for pills and surgery.

The drive to mutilate your body is a sign of demonic possession.

>>150078299 (OP)
That guy actually looks pretty fuckable. I'd cum inside him.

>>150078785
>>150078345
>There's plenty of trans people and plenty of people who don't care or don't like trans people for reasons that are relatively more sane, but the idea that the state/schools/whatever will force you to be trans or gay or something is something I have encountered many times.

This seems odd. The entire point is tha these people are gaslighted or influenced, not forced. Basically, a lot of trannies/tranny adjacent treat this as some sort of personality trait like being goth.

It's much more cultish/fad in how it works.

>>150078998
>when kids start raping faster than Eminem

>>150078927
They've never actually read it. Probably haven't even seen the show. They just like the fantasy (but guise it as a bad things)

>>150078774
>>150078927
handmaids tail pisses me off so much. are women just not self aware? do they not know that we know that it's porn? this would be like if I went around showing people musclegirl and giantess femdom porn telling them that it is some kind of relevant and poignant commentary/warning.

>>150078299 (OP)
Isn't the artist already angry at the fictional world she created in her mind though?

>>150078389
You joke, but it was only yesterday someone made a comic on twitter that was like 90% this and screeched about forced heternormitivity.

Like they really cannot stop and really think on the definition of the term normal at all there.

>>150078483
...but there WILL be!

>>150079190
sure, they know, but they'll never admit it. they also love being victims.

>>150079195
shockingly, she's not very good at self-awareness

>>150078648
It's kind of weird when I cannot give a flying fuck about any of these things at all and either side very very desperately wants to believe I am on their enemy's side and constantly triggered at the things they believe are triggering their enemies...

>>150079190
>My artistic intent with this piece is to make the male audience realize the horror and powerless-ness of being pinned against a bed by a large, powerful member of the opposite sex, and thus make them more considerate of sexual dynamics as they remember Sukya's giant swaying tits and insatiable appetite for oral sex.

>>150079190
>like if I went around showing people musclegirl and giantess femdom porn telling them that it is some kind of relevant and poignant commentary/warning.

>>150078299 (OP)
>government
People who are so delusional that they reject objective reality or try to twist it to match their own version of it shouldn't be in position of power that affect a nation (e.g department of health)
>dresses
The high and crazy homeless man you seen at your local 7/11 is the only person saying this nonsense.
>forces surgeries
The very concept of needlessly mutilating a child's healthy genitals when they're in a vulnerable state should not be allowed at all. This includes infant male circumcision.
>>150078325
This. They will never argue in good faith. They will always basterized the pointa you're trying to make.

>>150078648
Does he think that guy's black or something?

>>150079911
He just squees extra hard over Tay Tay if he thinks it's owning someone.

>>150078444
Why should we allow children to get elective cosmetic surgery? That's disgusting. I don't want to pay for that and no insurance company should either. If you want sideshow surgery, pay for it.

>>150078984
Disgusting person who used her position to get frat bros drunk enough to run a train on her. She has that "If I'm a horribly pig monster then why have I had sex with hundreds of men?" mentality that breaks apart when she has to admit that no one has ever fucked her sober or twice.

Post comics

>>150078325
>Also she's Canadian.
Just open with that.

>>150079269
Even if that's true the last panel makes it a strawman.

>>150078765
LET ME OUT

>>150078299 (OP)
what if pizzacake wasn't a whore that fantasized about cheating on her husband?

>>150078444
Meanwhile in Minnesota:

>>150078444
THIS AGED VERY VERY VERY WELL

>>150078338
father is a cuck and mom has an onlyfans. must be a living hell

>>150080457
Tbh I'm surprised catholic schools aren't targeted more often. Everything I've heard from people who went to them sounds awful.

>>150080488
>Everything I've heard from people who went to them sounds awful.
reddit?

>>150080488
>Tbh I'm surprised American schools aren't targeted more often. Everything I've heard from people who went to them sounds awful.

>>150080488
Epic trans person loves violence and people (kids) dying, very shocking.

>>150080457
Ah jeez dood

>>150080519
No, irl. I knew a few people in high school who'd gone to catholic school up to that point. Said they had to do shit like move broken leaking machinery, and obviously any back talk was a beating.

>>150080028
There's not enough liquor in the world for anyone to fuck that.

>>150080488
People who complain about Catholic school have never attended public school.
If you'd attended public school in America, a LOT of things would make sense to you.

>>150080481
He's not autistic, just suicidal.

>>150080704
I went to a Catholic school. It was great not getting attacked by niggers on the daily basis like other teens I knew were

>>150080743
Not an issue around here, sounded like getting attacked by the sisters was a problem tho

>>150080761
How limpwristed are you that you're comparing discipline to outright assault?

That's a sick hat and a sick haircut
He sounds cool

>>150078299 (OP)
The third pannel could just be a 1% chance, I still wouldn't want it to happen.

>>150080784
Like I said, this is what I heard, not witnessed. And I would hardly call having your knuckles beaten bloody with a ruler discipline.

>>150080457
>>150080626
>Out of the interest of privacy, xer manifesto will not be made public and the family will be allowed to cremate xer without any autopsy or further investigation.
>the story mysteriously disappears from the headlines as well

>>150080835
>And I would hardly call having your knuckles beaten bloody with a ruler discipline.
You ever play bloody knuckles before?
Because this is the type of shit people do when they're bored. No, getting rapped with a ruler is not that bad.

/pol/shit threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3 and >>>/co/rules/1
OP is a faggot.
Fulfill your civic duty to help purge this board of anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhumans like him who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=150078299

>>150080958
>When the ruler starts raping faster than Eminem

>>150080979
>Don't talk about comics on a comic board
The only reason there's politics is because you put them in the comic itself, Ellen.

>>150080761
But it was an issue around here, fuckhead. don't talk about shit you weren't involved with either way since you don't know anything and anything

>>150080835
>this is what I heard, not witnessed.
so why don't you shut up instead or arguing the point for 30 more posts.

>>150081058
Maybe if you could read you'd understand I was clarifying my original post, but I guess that would be setting my expectations too high

>>150078389
>what if they forced our kids to accept their bodies
Yes, outlaw ALL prescription glasses. If you were born with a cleft lip, you should learn to fucking deal with it. Scoliosis? Suck it up or kill yourself. Prosthetic limbs were made by the devil to tempt God’s faithful. God made your body just the way he wanted, and changing the way it functions artificially is slapping Him in the face.

>>150078299 (OP)
Considering another troon just shot up a school, he was right to be worried.

>>150078615
One down, they’re currently working on the second one in red states.

>>150081090
I did read it. It's you clarifying bullshit you admit you know nothing about. and now you're gonna still argue about something you know shit about.

The thread's about strawmen and here you are with your own, "well I sorta heard from my friend's brother's roommate's DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

>>150080906
Will bet it’s horseshit just like the last time they tried to pin it on a trans person.

>>150080488
I liked Catholic school better than public school.

>>150078879

So you’re okay with “medical castration of children” only when it’s cis kids? Weird stance

>>150078747
Children don’t make those decisions. Their parents make those decisions. Why do you suddenly want the government to tell parents what type of mainstream medical treatment their children can have?

>>150081128
One is needed and the other is not? Maybe dont destroy your body by taking heavy doses of hormones from the opposite sex?

>>150081208
>So you’re okay with “medical castration of children” only when it’s cis kids?
Different thing (I'm on your side by the way).

>>150078389
The tits are a nice subtle touch.

>>150081205
Cope, troon. You people are unstable faggot freaks and the public knows it now.

Oops.

>>150081265
Turns out it can be both at the same time

>>150078338
>>150080481
Why does it matter that she's doing the porn pics? I mean sure - you don't want the kid finding out as it would be immoral to see that but the only way you'd do that is if you went and told him.

And you wouldn't do that, right?
...Right?

>>150080626
>>150080906
Speaking as the token lefty in this thread: one - if you hate mainstream media don't believe everything you hear on the most mainstream social media; two - they would say xe was in fact a fascist as proof of how far fascism has spread rather than a mentally ill loner pretending to be one and use this as an excuse to make self defense and organised defense against government oppression by protesting with firearms illegal and three - I don't give a fuck about what the cunts on twitter are doing etc

>>150078389
I'm a therian dude. I'm never going to accept my body, my body dysmorphia is probably worse if I was a regular tranny because instead of wanting boobs and a different sex I constantly fantasize about having a tail and fur covering by body. And the freedom of form foundation are pretty much the only people in the entire world putting research into non-human modifications and surgeries so I have to trust they know what they're doing

>>150081249
>cope over my narrative that wasn’t true the last time and probably isn’t true this time
You got it

>>150081128
When someone has a prosthetic leg they don't expect you to pretend it's a real leg, they need to to walk.

>>150081212
Both are deemed medically necessary, and you could easily argue that prosthetic users should just get a wheelchair instead. If you wish to use hormones to medically alter your body and have gone through the necessary checks and tests to confirm it, then you should have the right to do so.

>>150081318
>Speaking as the token lefty in this thread: one - if you hate mainstream media don't believe everything you hear on the most mainstream social media; two - they would say xe was in fact a fascist as proof of how far fascism has spread rather than a mentally ill loner pretending to be one a
Dude had an youtube with plenty of stuff - you can find some of it out there:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HJemxKAE6OQ
YouTube

He seems like a meme obssessed radical atheist that hates jews with holocaust memes and is a troon woketard.

Basically Reddit: The Shooter;

>>150081369
>When someone has a prosthetic leg they don't expect you to pretend it's a real leg
When someone has a prosthetic leg, they also don’t want you to be constantly asking why their leg is different and if it’s truly that medically necessary.

>>150081151
Good luck enforcing that one. We can't even keep our politicians from having recreational sex in the white house.

>>150081333
Afraid to look more into it? Seems like you are.

>>150081383
>nuke India written on one of the magazines
Sounds like one of /pol/‘s

>>150081372
>Both are deemed medically necessary,
The difference is that one actually is, the other isn't. Your take is no different than defending lobotomies 80 years ago.

> If you wish to use hormones to medically alter your body
Except they demand the entire society to change to accomodate that, and try to pass laws to force you to force you to comply. You can take hormones if you want, you can't force people to think that a male on hormones is somehow a woman.

To not mention how they prey on children too. It works like a cult.

>>150081415
Nope! It was actually a violent leftist tranny that worshipped Luigi Mangione, thanks for your observation though!

>>150081415
He also has a lot of posts about "protecting the LGBT" and "fighting opression" and clearly hates christians.

Nigga's mind seems to have melted, because there is a lot of stuff that feels contradictory - its like the zoomers don't understand the memes, they just absorb them.

This said, his actual writings paint him as some sort of lgbt leftist.

>>150081318
>that's the only way he would find out
you can't be this stupid.

>>150081387
Why would I constantly ask why their leg is different? They're missing a leg, they need a leg to walk on.

>>150078357
Nigger, what site are we on?

90% of trans people are just AGP perverts who didnt have any sex so they cut off their dick to get fuck, the 10% deserves psychological help, no big pharma approve mutilation.

>>150081423
>The difference is that one actually is, the other isn't. Your take is no different than defending lobotomies 80 years ago.
The difference here is that trans people were prescribed lobotomies to prevent them from living as the opposite gender, and in the intervening years were subject to horrific torture in order to break them out of their “delusions”, torture which had an abysmal success rate. Current treatment actually works WITH them, is far more successful, is nowhere near as invasive, and doesn’t involve physical torture.
>Except they demand the entire society to change to accomodate that, and try to pass laws to force you to force you to comply.
They pass laws to make you beating them to death a hate crime.
>To not mention how they prey on children too. It works like a cult.
By preying on children, do you mean telling them that the feelings they have aren’t actually evil and shameful and should be repressed as hard as they can?

>>150081387
no, because people can plainly see how that's an improvement,

whereas someone wanting to saw off a good leg because they identify as an amputee may have a few concerned people questioning it.

Personally i don't give a shit if people want to mutilate themselves, I'm just not going to play along which seems to be a big competent for this slop for some reason.
If everyone else doesn't call it a leg, the prosthetic leg still works.

>>150081488
>Current treatment actually works WITH them, is far more successful, is nowhere near as invasive, and doesn’t involve physical torture.

BWAAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAA

>>150081506
>no argument
Puuuuuussyyyyyyyyyy

>>150078648
Wasn't she seen as a roastie by them before MAGA even existed?

>>150081208
>Why do you suddenly want the government to tell parents what type of mainstream medical treatment their children can have?
Because it's a complete violation of the Hippocratic Oath.

In 10-15 years, the amount of lawsuits and criminal charges against parents and doctors who transed kids are gonna skyrocket

>>150078984
I thought I was looking at an object. A gendered object. Guess not.

>>150081488
>The difference here is that trans people were prescribed lobotomies
WAAAAH WAAAAAAH WAAHHH PEOPLE IN THE PAST HAD TERRIBLE REASONING IN THEIR METHODS, THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD LET ME CONTINUE DOING THAAAAT!

>“delusions”,
Why the ""? If you are a man that thinks that you are a woman and vice versa you ARE deluded.

> Current treatment actually works WITH them
Actualy most gender confused children who not indulge on it grow up just fine. Research shows that up to 94 percent of children will "grow out" of their transgender identity

https://kffhealthnews.org/morning-breakout/research-on-children-growing-out-of-gender-dysphoria-adds-layer-of-complexity-to-transgender-care/

>They pass laws to make you beating them to death a hate crime.
LYING FAGGOT.

Thousands of young people have been turned into lifelong medical patients with mutilated bodies. Many thousands of women and girls have been subjected to indignities and worse injustices due to Gender Ideology.

How do otherwise intelligent people get stuck here? How can they not see that redefining what it means to be a man or woman, boy or girl, & rewriting society around that definition, whilst making it illegal to challenge or criticise it, impacts EVERYONE?

>>150081510
>Puuuuuussyyyyyyyyyy
you mean the thing that no amount or mutilation to your dick will ever turn it into?

We all know what the transgender procedures and suicide rates are. You really are gonna say no torture? no invasion? HIGH SUCCESS RATE?

>>150081539
No, they won't.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-06/gender-affirming-care-still-safe-effective-and-reversible-review/104322428

In 10-15 every, people who persisted to prevent kids from obtaining the treatment they needed will be seen the same way we see those who opposed the end of segregation.

Facts and science are against you and all you are causing is unnecessary suffering.

fuck you retards being distracted by identity politics while politicians rape the internet

>>150081539
Heard stories from my lecturer that some trans women with dementia think that the Government have abducted them and performed experiments on them. It's sad and wild

>>150081511
Who knows. Does anyone honestly give a shit about her?

>>150081613
>BEWIEVE THE SCIENCE
and Disney news

>>150081613
>No, they won't.
Retard.

The NHS have banned puberty blockers for children outside of clinical research.

Sweden placed strict limitations on medical gender-affirming intervention for minors after a 14-year-old girl was found to have osteoporosis + spinal fractures from puberty blockers

The investigation into the case concluded that “the risks of anti-puberty and hormone treatment for those under 18 currently outweigh the possible benefits.”

America is one of the only countries allowing full-fledged medical experimentation on children for gender “affirmation.”

Royal Children’s Hospital (RCH) in Melbourne launched a study of the unknown effects of puberty blockers on the brain only last year, having offered these drugs as a routine intervention for well over a decade. This is a medication used off-label to suppress natural sex hormones and normally timed puberty.

Temporary use of puberty blocker Lupron has also been associated with and may be the cause of many serious permanent side effects including osteoporosis, mood disorders, seizures, cognitive impairment and, when combined with cross-sex hormones, sterility. In addition to the harm from Lupron, cross-sex hormones put youth at an increased risk of heart attacks, stroke, diabetes, blood clots and cancers across their lifespan. Add to this the fact that physically healthy transgender-believing girls are being given double mastectomies at 13 and hysterectomies at 16, while their male counterparts are referred for surgical castration and penectomies at 16 and 17, respectively, and it becomes clear that affirming transition in children is about mutilating and sterilizing emotionally troubled youth.

>>150081488
>Current treatment actually works WITH them, is far more successful, is nowhere near as invasive, and doesn’t involve physical torture.
Even more effective treatment is simply giving them a small amount of the hormone responding to their sex, over a short period of time, instead of hooking them on something for life, that will lead to health problems down the line.
>They pass laws to make you beating them to death a hate crime.
Beating people to death is already illegal, so that's a pointless endeavor.
>the feelings they have aren’t actually evil and shameful and should be repressed as hard as they can?
The feelings they have are 99% of the time temporary and will go away with puberty.

>>150081613
Aw yes.. that's why so many people who recieved hormone therapy are actively suing doctors that administered them for causing life long issues...

Also here's a bigger question, why aren't we addressing these people's mental issue to better deal with their healthy body instead of mutilating their healthy body to contort to their unhealthy mind?

Now now, lets not lose site of what this thread is about.
Ellen has a wide variety of strawmen to rage about

>>150081618
>politicians rape the internet
And children

>>150081626
Beyond jokes about all her songs being inspired by break-ups, not really

>>150081578
>Actually most gender confused children who not indulge on it grow up just fine. Research shows that up to 94 percent of children will "grow out" of their transgender identity
>https://kffhealthnews.org/morning-breakout/research-on-children-growing-out-of-gender-dysphoria-adds-layer-of-complexity-to-transgender-care/
Holy shit, did you even read the fucking study you linked? The article demonstrates how the 90% they came up with was terribly sourced with incredibly shoddy methodology, and aside from that single study, hasn’t been replicated anywhere since. It didn’t consider social pressure to not transition and it used older less stringent criteria for gender dysphoria that haven’t been in use since the fucking 90s. Let me guess, did you just pull the first link you could from google? Let’s read a little more into it, shall we?
>Steensma and colleagues also culled one very specific indicator of future persistence: When asked when they were children, “Are you a boy or a girl?” those who answered the opposite of their birth sex were found more likely to have retained their gender identity in adolescence. The desistors, on the other hand, tended to merely wish they were the opposite sex.
> LYING FAGGOT.
Listen to the whispers emanating from the barrel of your gun and blow your brains out.
>Thousands of young people have been turned into lifelong medical patients with mutilated bodies. Many thousands of women and girls have been subjected to indignities and worse injustices due to Gender Ideology.
You piece of fucking shit, do you know how many thousands more have been subjected to physical and psychological torture by their parents and doctors because they didn’t conform to the identity that was laid out for them? Do you even understand the amount of suffering that’s been experienced over the past century by itself because people like you thought that they can simply get them to quit being little fags?

>>150081804
that too

>>150081828
>>150081760
Oh, and let’s not forget that the main proponent of the desistor myth that you guys love, Ken Zucker, RAN A FUCKING CONVERSION THERAPY CLINIC. Your own studies are shoddy as fuck and fall apart under the smallest scrutiny.

>>150078705
>>150081626
I think Swift endorsed Kamala and said a negative thing about Trump once or twice so now MAGA chuds are supposed to be obsessed with her or something.

>>150081828
>Advocates say it's flawed
What advocates? Trans advocates? The ones who'd be most likely to claim any research against their views were flawed?

>>150081876
Trans advocates and neutral scientists. You know who says it isn’t flawed? People with a financial interest in conversion therapy, like the man who originally gave the 90% of kids and teens grow out of being trans argument.

For a Canadian, she sure likes to complain about American policy

>>150081828
>Holy shit, did you even read the fucking study you linked
Yeah?

>he article demonstrates how the 90% they came up with was terribly sourced with incredibly shoddy methodology
Notice how you didn't mention what was wrong with it.

>hasn’t been replicated anywhere since.

All the studies have come to a remarkably similar conclusion: Only very few trans- kids still want to transition by the time they are adults. Instead, they generally turn out to be regular gay or lesbian folks. The exact number varies by study, but roughly 60–90% of trans- kids turn out no longer to be trans by adulthood.

Count
Group
Study
2/16
4/16
10/16
gay
trans-/crossdress
straight/uncertain
Lebovitz, P. S. (1972). Feminine behavior in boys: Aspects of its outcome. American Journal of Psychiatry, 128, 1283–1289.
2/16
2/16
12/16
trans-
uncertain
gay
Zuger, B. (1978). Effeminate behavior present in boys from childhood: Ten additional years of follow-up. Comprehensive Psychiatry, 19, 363–369.
0/5
5/5
trans-
gay
Money, J., & Russo, A. J. (1979). Homosexual outcome of discordant gender identity/role: Longitudinal follow-up. Journal of Pediatric Psychology, 4, 29–41.
2/45
10/45
33/45
trans-/crossdress
uncertain
gay
Zuger, B. (1984). Early effeminate behavior in boys: Outcome and significance for homosexuality. Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 172, 90–97.
1/10
2/10
3/10
4/10
trans-
gay
uncertain
straight
Davenport, C. W. (1986). A follow-up study of 10 feminine boys. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 15, 511–517.
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Green, R. (1987). The "sissy boy syndrome" and the development of homosexuality. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press.
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Kosky, R. J. (1987). Gender-disordered children: Does inpatient treatment help? Medical Journal of Australia, 146, 565–569.
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>"we're coming for your children!"
>fictional world
Sure lol

How do the normies in your life react when you point out the tranny movement was started by child molesters?

>>150081909
Your article literally only says advocates disagree and even then gives no reason for said scrutiny. You can't just give an article as proof to your view point if the article can't even bother to explain its reasoning.

>>150078299 (OP)
Funny that this is how Trump acts and those people that got upset about trannies and liberals are ok with Trump.

>>150081828
>isten to the whispers emanating from the barrel
The tranny is doing their second favorite past time - when its daydreaming not about being the opposite sex, it's daydreaming about suicide.

>ou piece of fucking shit, do you know how many thousands
The proportion of people affected by it is bigger among the trans population than the population od trans among the entire population. If you think the entire world should change their perception of what men and women are because of your tiny percentage, the entire tranny movement should change to take in consideration those affected by it.

>>150081854
>Oh, and let’s not forget that the main proponent of the desistor myth
Myth? I'm not even using him.

Actually, the entire (alleged) criticism is moot. There was a study which had a sample of gender dysphoric kids AND a sample of gender non-conforming kids. Upon follow-up, their desistance rates were nearly identical (and both were over 50%).

If all the desistance cases (or most of the desistance case) came from the only the gender non-conforming group, then it would be valid to criticize the study for blurring the groups to look like desistance happened among the gender dysphorics as much as the gender non-conforming. However, the (alleged) criticism is demonstrably false: The study compared the two groups explicitly, demonstrating their outcomes to be the same. It is simply not the case that desistance cases are accounted for by people who are gender non-conforming rather than gender dysphoric.

>>150081930
>Notice how you didn't mention what was wrong with it.
You should try reading instead of citing a bibliography with no links or abstracts.
>It didn’t consider social pressure to not transition and it used older less stringent criteria for gender dysphoria that haven’t been in use since the fucking 90s
Let’s continue with the ways it’s wrong:
>Upon review of Ken Zucker’s research, half of Zucker’s patients did not even meet the definition of diagnostic criteria for transgender youth. His main research consisted of only 45 youth utilizing the old diagnostic criteria.
>steensma used the old criteria, which is not the way that gender dysphoria is diagnosed today. Worse, the two studies classified every youth who did not return to the clinic as having “desisted” or “detransitioned” with no long term follow-up. Half of the participants in the studies did not return and all were classified as having “desisted.” The sample sizes were tiny at the getgo - only 53 people were in the first study and 127 in the second study. Given the fact that a large portion if not the majority of Steensma’s patients were classified under decades old criteria and assumed permanently detransitioned simply for refusing to follow up, these studies cannot be used to make any reasonable claim of desistance rates.
>Among trans youth, desistance and detransition rates are incredibly low. The most recent study in the prestigious journal Pediatrics, one of the only studies that use modern requirement of youth identification as another gender, showed that 97.5% of trans youth continue to identify as trans on a 5 year follow-up. The sample size was also larger than all previous sample sizes of this population: 317 youth.

>>150081909
>Trans advocates and neutral scientists.
LMAO
All kinds of organizations are banning the usage of hormones blockers on children. Lets be honest here, you don't REALLY care about children, you just gets off to it, thats why no argument is good enough for you.

And you are insane if you think that conversion therapy moves more money than appealing to the tranny lobby.

The global hormone replacement therapy market, which includes sex reassignment, was estimated at over $21 billion in 2022 and is expected to reach $35.6 billion by 2030

>>150082008
>>Among trans youth, desistance and detransition rates are incredibly low. The most recent study in the prestigious journal Pediatrics, one of the only studies that use modern requirement of youth identification as another gender, showed that 97.5% of trans youth continue to identify as trans on a 5 year follow-up. The sample size was also larger than all previous sample sizes of this population: 317 youth.

Studies which give low estimates have been criticised for their "serious limitations", such as short follow-up, high or unclear rates of loss to follow up, reliance on individuals returning to secondary care clinics reporting transition regret or seeking reversal procedures, (a study of 100 detransitioners found that only 24% of respondents informed their clinicians that they had detransitioned), errors, non-replicability, as well as other issues.

Studies have reported higher rates of desistance among prepubertal children. A 2016 review of 10 prospective follow-up studies from childhood to adolescence found desistance rates ranging from 61% to 98%, with evidence suggesting that they might be less than 85% more generally.

A 2019 clinical assessment found that 9.4% of patients with adolescent-emerging gender dysphoria either ceased wishing to pursue medical interventions or no longer felt that their gender identity was incongruent with their assigned sex at birth within an eighteen-month period.

Another study from a UK primary care practice found that 12.2% of those who had started hormonal treatments either detransitioned or documented regret, while a total of 20% stopped the treatments for a wider range of reasons. An April 2022 study found that 284 individuals out of a total of 952 (29.8%) had stopped hormone therapy treatments.

>>150080180
Late reply, but this thread has gone absolutely nuts.

>>150082008
>>150082068
Studies of transition regret or detransition in different populations have found different (average or median) elapsed times before these occurred: a 2018 study found 10 years and 10 months on average to regret (but not necessarily detransition) from start of hormonal therapy, and a 2014 study of those who had surgery found a median lag of 8 years before requesting a reversal of legal gender status. A 2021 UK study found evidence that supports detransitioning occurring on average 4–8 years after transitioning.

>>150082086
Are you guys actually having a serious debate in the Pizzacake thread?

>>150082071
Trannies arguing with culture warriors, but at least everyone's throwing numbers around that's better than just shrieking TROON and CHUD at each other.
None of it's comics or cartoons of course but if we're going to dance to RapeApe's tune we can at least be civil about it.

>>150081986
>The tranny is doing their second favorite past time - when its daydreaming not about being the opposite sex, it's daydreaming about suicide.
>>150082036
>Lets be honest here, you don't REALLY care about children, you just gets off to it, thats why no argument is good enough for you.
If you’d like me to be honest: I am a cis man that has never felt any gender dysphoria, I simply hate you because you’re evil cunts.
And it’s funny you mention how no argument is good enough for me, because you’re fighting against an overwhelming amount of studies that have shown that gender transitioning is far, far more effective than repression and natal hormone therapy, and you’re fighting it with studies that have yet to stand up under critical scrutiny.

>>150082008
"The wrong criteria"

>>150082108
This is all Pizzacake's fault.

>>150082108
>we can at least be civil about it.
>be civil
idk about that

>>150082071
>>150082100
I HATE DAXY
I HATE DAXY
I HATE DAXY

>>150081909
>If we just let kids go through their natural puberty, money will magically land in the pockets of evil businessmen!
Genuinely detached from reality.

>>150080457
>>150080906
Total fed psyop btw, google Viki Weaver

>>150082100
I wasn't the one that started.

>>150082113
>I am a cis man
So you are an enabler.

>you’re fighting against an overwhelming amount of studies
Literally delusional.

Antipsychotics have been show to help with dysphoria - but truth be told most of the time its just a weird fetish.

I've seem those people, they are hooked up on meds all the time, and are a mirror away from having an existential crisis and require constant validation. No, it's not a good life.

The percent in a more recent study is lower than 85%.

53% of mothers of transsexual children have Borderline Personality Disorder, compared to only 6% of mothers of normal children.

But honestly fuck your "sooooources" bulshit, everybody knows that the first thing that fanatisc like you do is try to discredit and handwave away, them and hide, then prevent any further research about it.

>>150081318
>chronicles his troon journey in his manifesto
>writes KILL TRUMP in marker on his gun
>he's fascist though

This shooting glows so fucking bright.

>>150081919
Pic but unironically

>>150082191
Asshole.
>>150082240
Okay, but I'm not really that interested in debating new-age social science mumbo jumbo. Every super serious bzns poltical post I read in this thread is making me feel both leftoid AND rightoid fatigue. It's all so exhausting.

>>150082373
They should take an island, and put all the leftists, trannies, somalis, muslins and other refugees there.

>>150082416
Oh, it would be such a paradise. Everyone would get along and there would be no violence AT ALLLL

>>150079190
>are women just not self aware?

>>150078299 (OP)
Has anyone made non-con to con mindbreak smut art of her yet?

>>150082240
>Literally delusional.
I’m not the one ignoring studies that don’t agree with them, I’ve been showing how the ones you cite are poorly constructed.
>Antipsychotics have been show to help with dysphoria - but truth be told most of the time its just a weird fetish.
Antipsychotics have been shown time and time again to be completely ineffective in regards to gender dysphoria, with the exception of people who already have psychotic mental disorders, of which trans people are not apart of. In fact, many reports by trans patients showed that anti-psychotics STRENGTHENED their gender dysphoria. Also of note, anti-psychotics have a deleterious effect on bone density and puberty, which is exactly what you people have such an issue with puberty blockers over.
>But honestly fuck your "sooooources" bulshit, everybody knows that the first thing that fanatisc like you do is try to discredit and handwave away, them and hide, then prevent any further research about it.
lol, got tired of fishing for sources that support your position, must be tough to find.

>>150082108
>Trannies arguing with culture warriors
Trannies are culture warriors. They started pushing their bullshit on everyone.

>>150081318
I think finding out your mom is a whore is the easiest way to blackpill anyone.
And I know this because my Cousin told her sister she was not even related to their Father after 30 years of lying
Shit fucks you up.

>>150082138
Partially. But in this specific instance I would blame the mods and jannies WHO ARE MOST LIKELY IN THIS THREAD HAVING ANOTHER HISTORIC TANTRUM BECAUSE ONE OF THEIR FELLOW PATHETIC EUNUCHS HAS A MELTY AND SHOT UP A SCHOOL SO NOW THEY HAVE TO HAVE A TANTRUM AND DO DAMAGE CONTROL

>>150078444
trans adults don't even need these surgeries since no amount of surgery can make one the opposite sex and these "procedures" are just butchering the body to vaguely resemble something else it's like shaping your kidney into the shape of a heart it's not gonna start functioning like a heart. Post op individuals commonly suffer necrosis, constant urinary tract issues, and a loss of sensation in the genitals and there's no solid evidence to surgery actually causing a positive effect on mental health or suicide rates. Not to mention the majority of "transkids" are just homosexuals who have yet to figure themselves out

>>150080488
Catholic schools are often private schools, aka, ten times better than the public shit. Went to both, and would gladly take the one period of bible study and semi regular mass over the savages they let roam the halls in public school.
Not even religious, but it's just the truth.

Well /co/?

>>150083050
Wait, it was that easy all along?

>>150078483
so then why are they so scared of them?

>>150083050
Straight into the KFC deep fryer.

>>150078950
remember when the left couldn't find a single straight person who supported them, so they had to hire a bunch of homosexual actors to pretend to be straight working class leftist men?

>>150078299 (OP)
>I am so angry at this fictional person I just created in my mind
This author should just kill themselves already. They're clearly beyond saving.

>>150078299 (OP)
Reminds me of the world depicted in that shitty AI vidya game AndyPants made.

>>150078785
>force
You mean coerce? Because the actual pearl-clutch on this topic is that teachers will manipulate children into declaring gender identities that they don't understand, because the trans community is unironically obsessed with the idea of vicariously correcting their lives through other people's children. And since all gender-affirming practices are one-way with no off-ramp, the idea is that if they can force the kid into agreeing to transition at all, they will be encouraged and manipulated into continuing, and the damage will be permanent and a regular life will be impossible, even if the child later chooses to bail out and escape the teachers and medical professionals who keep telling them all of the doubts and fears and physical discomfort they are experiencing is normal and that they shouldn't say anything too loudly about regretting their transition because that's transphobic and may endanger other trans kids.

Ironically, transitioning too early and using puberty blockers at all tends to lead to a lot of later in life issues that make further transitioning even harder, regardless of which sex they are trying to imitate.

>>150083247
every tranny argument is "this thing that is verified to keep repeatedly happening isn't happening, and your legislation to block it from happening is killing trans kids, even though I just said it isn't happening"

everyone involved in the trans industry must be killed, they literally only exist to irreversibly fuck up the next generation beyond repair, and there is no reasoning with them

>>150081488
41% rate disagrees.

>>150081318 thanks for the thoughtless wall of text, redditor leftist

>>150081510
Lobotomized would-be trannies have a lower suicide rate. This is the fate all trannies deserve and will get once chuddies gain total power. You filthy lackeys will get what you deserve for aiding and abetting this societal mental sickness.

>>150082797
Oh now you're just lying, sertaline doesn't cause bone density loss for fuck sake pregnant women can still take the stuff without worry of birth defects. There's being wrong and then there's being disingenuous.

>>150082233
What about it? How is some tranny shooting children now related to ruby ridge? I ain't defending the agencies, I'm asking what you're trying to say.

>>150081919
Why do they need a trial? They're illegal aliens. They get deported when they're caught, end of story.

>>150078299 (OP)
Oh hi Dobson....

>>150078338
most people arent as autistically fixated on the idea of sex being something shameful as you are

>>150078299 (OP)
>I'm so special I used a blue fish hat instead of a red MAGA one.

>>150083858
You'd be cool with being exposed to porn of your own mother?

>>150081919
Canada isn't a real country.

>>150083964
Is this a trick question?

>>150078325
>Also she's Canadian.
truly, a fate worse than death

>>150083050
>kids are too young to understand what they are asking for when they want to be on untested medications that permanently stunt their growth
>durr then we shouldnt let anyone undergo a natural bodily process if i cant prescribe the drugs we use to chemically castrate prisoners

>>150083805
Trials are for pussies anyway
>>150083979
yeah hope we finally take it over next year cause it's about time

>>150083982
I dare you to show that to your mom and post the results.

>>150083805
>Why do they need a trial?
Legal Precedent dating back to the aftermath of the Boston Massacre, you moron.

>>150084041
Here's their trial
>Let's look you up in the system
>Oh you're not there
>Bye Bye!

>>150084108
When an illegal comes to the country and signs up for every benefit under the sun, it should take days. When that same illegal gets deported, it should take years. Anything else is fascism!

>>150084108
It's more like
>Let's check our quota
>Whoops, haven't met it
>Bye Bye!

>>150084170
I fucking wish, ICE isn't deporting enough people as is. The only saving grace is their actions are causing many illegals to deport themselves saving us all the trouble of processing them.

>>150084014
I double with this. Post results anon. Lets see if you can get some with your mom

>>150084108
They’re not even doing that you dumb cunt.

>>150084041
>>150084170
No. They're not supposed to be here, they kicked out. That's it. And if they've committed more crimes, they get kicked out to another country's jail. It's What's on the books. Tell me, What's a trial supposed to do with that?

>>150084264
To ascertain if the person is actually a fucking citizen or not. If you don’t do that, the only way you can tell if they’re not here legally is the word of the person arresting them. And the United States provides due process for both citizens AND non-citizens.

>>150083153
that was some funny shit

>>150084108
even when deporter in chief was taking out a thousand illegals a day and courts stated they were prioritizing efficiency over due process they rarely actually caught legal citizens in the crossfire even now the only legal that was "deported" was the child of an illegal that choose for her son to come with her.

>>150084559
responded to the wrong one I meant >>150084170

>>150079190
The current popular women genre is Romantasy which is porn.

So much for being a cartoon and comics board.
What do you guys think of gender dysphoria? Yeah, trans people are actually mentally ill, but not because they are delusional, it's because they feel they are in the wrong body. It's a real thing, but how do you anons feel it should be dealt with?

Clearly you're are smarter than everyone on the planet because you jerk off to anime, so how do we treat people with dysphoria?

>>150084376
Checking if someone is a citizen is pretty easy. You ask where and when they registered and then you check the registry.
Non-citizens can appeal all they want from their own country

>>150084847
By learning to accept their bodily limitations and learning to be happy with who they are. It is literally that simple. If you can't learn to love yourself then you're just taking the scenic route to suicide.

Well, /co/?

>>150084847
Same way people accept they'll never be good enough in a video game.
Its called life.

>>150084376
You need a trial for that?
No, you don't. And plus ice pretty good handle on who's illegal or not. That's why most legal immigrants aren't sweating this. The ones who are worried are either paranoid leftist types or they committed crimes that will get them deported, cuz if you didn't know, legals can be removed if they've violated the terms and conditions. That's why a legal immigrant from Europe in Florida was deported. Dude was trafficking drugs.