Thread 150079149

As a black man I’m here to tell you right now- we quite literally will enjoy anything as long as you present it in a cool and entertaining format, we don’t like static shock because he’s black we like him because he’s cool black people en masse love shit that has zero appeal to them like karate, anime, country music, pro wrestling, etc etc etc, it’s not that we don’t appreciate representation- but when it’s corny as fuck most of us will not tune in, we love schlocky shit like Power and Black Dynamite- everything doesn’t need to make us look powerful or like we “belong”- we know we belong motherfucker!!! Make something cool, Anthony Mackie’s Captain America ISNT COOL and it’s not because he’s woke or black, it’s because he’s a lame ass cornball who can’t even beat the main villain in his debut film

Stop the bs!!

>>150079149 (OP)
If you’re not black- STOP TRYING TO MAKE PRO BLACK FILMS AND MESSAGES ITS JUST PREACHY AND TONE DEAF

Ryan Coogler, Nas, and Aaron McGruder can make uplifting black content because they understand the culture and struggle and are brilliant writers- Sarah Johnson from Connecticut who got a job at Disney because of daddy’s connections DOES NOT!!

And stop letting liberal black woman lead the charge as well no offense but most women are not capable of writing good stories in the current era we’re living in- they are just too emotional and hamfisted about their politics now

>>150079149 (OP)
Okay, pitch us your idea, Mister Black Man.

>>150079233
It really is just this

>>150079149 (OP)
Sam Wilson is the character who somehow managed to lose an argument to a straw man. The writers literally controlled everything the senator said, they could literally give Sam any slam dunk they wanted on him, and Sam still had no reply to "You have no idea how complicated this situation is", he lost the argument to a straw man character.

>>150079189
I think most of /co/ is well aware of this shit, there have been plenty of well regarded black creators in comics over the years. The problem in entertainment these days is it’s run primarily by and for upper-middle class liberal women who think they know what’s best for everyone. It’s no longer about what the audience wants or enjoys, it’s about what they think the audience needs be told. People who annoy you: NAGGERS, literally.

>>150079233
This one appeals to the Mexican audiences too, so it's double appeal.

>>150079189
That's not gonna work because they finally realized The Boondocks never said anything nice about black women

>>150079214
how about you listen to wtf I said and get to work on making good shit for everyone to enjoy

>>150079233
you do know black people have seen other anime right?

>>150079383
Db has fans all over the world. It appealed to the white and asian audiences as well.

>>150079456
Guys! We've cracked the code!

>>150079149 (OP)
>As a black man
You are pearly white.

>>150079389
They had an entire episode dedicated to a black woman so perfect she made uncle ruckus fall in love with her

>>150079456
It doesn't matter if you're a CN guy, a Nick guy, a Disney channel guy, or if your family was poor and you could only watch Saturday morning cartoons. They all had DBZ at one point.

Sorry OP, the only black male opinions that matter are the ones held by gay black guys. The rest of us don't matter if we aren't agreeing with said gay blacks.

>>150079149 (OP)
>>150079189
Yeah I agree. It's silly this idea that the show or movie or whatever needs to have a character who looks in a certain way for the character or the story to be relatable. People just want a good story and cool characters, they don't need people who look identical to them all the time. You can like and care for the characters and story even though they look very different.

I have always felt that this push for appealing to specific audiences is just insincere, a caricature of what people believe the audience wants to see. People just want good stories, not some preachy thing.

>>150079389
Because Aaron McGruder is gay.

>>150079646
I thought 76% of black men were queer due to not having a dad.

>>150079149 (OP)
>>150079189
Preach, mang.

If youre the real deal, they won't get it cuz most can't comprehend it.

>>150079446
Indeed we have but this makes sense.

>>150079149 (OP)
>>150080135
THE standard above all else, no matter the shape, color or size of a person, even anthros. Just make it nice and neat.

>>150080135
Jo, is that you? I missed your arts man on the the "ladies".

>>150079233
How did Toriyama do it? DBZ appeals to literally everyone on the planet. Is it just cool fights? The art and character design? The "Always keep improving!" message? What's the secret sauce he cooked with?

>>150079149 (OP)
Boondocks got it right 24 years ago

>>150079149 (OP)
it makes no sense for comic books to cater to black people. Black people can't even read.

>>150079149 (OP)
>please white people, we're too dumb to make our own shit
>>150079189
>actually all that shit we made was really good, it's our dumb women
Honestly don't know which is more pathetic.

>>150080376
>THE standard above all else, no matter the shape, color or size of a person, even anthros. Just make it nice and neat.

Indeed indeed.


>>150080376
>Jo, is that you? I missed your arts man on the the "ladies".
..WHAT...HOW, lol. How would you even guess this was my post? Its a simple doodle, I was even trying to copy the Proud Family Steve Harvey stache and thats Bruce W smiths style.

But I digress, I'm always around...lurking the milf related and such threads.

>>150080404
>Is it just cool fights? The art and character design?
Its basically these 2 things, ngl.
Been watching DBZ since a old friend of mine lent me a copy of the Curse of Red Rybies movie, back in the day.

>>150080468
>>please white people, we're too dumb to make our own shit
Honestly, at this point I don't think I want stuff made by white people either.
They also seem to be ruined by their retarded women.
I'll take Asian media instead.

>>150080404
If you watch/read you’ll notice db has references to pretty much every demographic possible, it’s actually kind of cool and indicates Toriyama really went above and beyond in his lonesome to study other cultures beside his own- add in the fact that you have humanized aliens anyone can self insert themselves into and boom

>>150080135
>>150080484
We will always appreciate you.
And if you gotta moment while still here, you wanna give these ladies a shot in keeping with the theme? Even if one is a fish.
https://files.catbox.moe/fpqy2n.png

>>150079300
Sunshine Superman's bulge isn't big enough

DBZ is nice but its such a lukewarm boilerplate take to say especially if you want to use it as a paradigm for everyone to supposedly follow. There's thousands of anime or generally good stories to gain inspiration and not realizing that is why entertainment today is as self referential and stagnant as ever. Actually look behind the surface level of what you liked when you were a kid and expand your horizons from there to produce something sincere and new.

>>150081285
...wait a minute...Burning, is that you?

IDK if this the right thread are art, lol.

Maybe later, another time.

>>150081597
I would say the first run of FMA was a great example for a all around great anime for all cultures.

>>150083502
FMA03 really pulled off an original story well (in the latter half, that is.) I know Arakawa gave them general tips for the ending, but it went to some really unique places for anime--and the music was absolutely phenomenal. I genuinely think anime could still make stories that expressive if they weren't so strapped by production costs as they are now

>>150083937
Totally agree on the music and stuff. Even the bumpers and trailers Adult Swim made, especially the one for the final season with Dante's theme playing with splashes of scenes.

I sorta feel it the last anime I actually ever watched fully. I stopped after that cuz i could pay attention enough to the newer shit.

And not to say some animes now are bad, I just cant get into them like i use to, back in the day.

>>150079149 (OP)
Every single black person I knew all loved DBZ and maybe Proud Family, but that was it.

>>150079149 (OP)
>As a black man

is okay, zoomie:
if ye can be nazi racist -
perfectly swell for u2b as well

>>150083937
She and the director are still on good terms with each other.

>>150080404
A level of cringe that isn't to the point of ridiculous, the invention of powerlevel arguments, and it was in the right place at the right time, with kids getting used to other more family friendly anime like Pokemon as a gateway.

>>150080439
Luke Cage got hit so hard he went bald

>>150079149 (OP)
>>150079189
only good thread on this board right now

>>150081432
this

>>150085597
not OP, but that pic is so me.
the word racism doesn't mean anything and i would never ever use it even when falseflaging

>>150085679
You larp as a proud black woman online too?

>>150085726
sometimes, other times I'm a proud latinx career womxn

>>150084516
none of them liked a goofy movie?

>>150079149 (OP)
I dunno if you’ve heard but Hiro banned black people from 4chan a few years ago
So yeah your not allowed here

>>150079149 (OP)
i didnt like Chris Evans cause he was cool. I liked him cause he was sincere.

>>150080404
Toriyama was already an experienced and successful writer before working on Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball is the work of someone who knows his shit, not a lucky lightning in the bottle story. He took all the stuff he thought was cool: kung fu movies, sci fi, etc. and distilled it into the "always keep improving" and other good messages. But I think the secret sauce is his experience, especially as a comedy writer. Writing a joke requires a set up and a payoff. In Dragon Ball, almost everything has a set up and a satisfying payoff. Goku does some crazy training and now it's time for him to finally return to aura farm and one shot Napa. Goku's been getting his ass kicked by Freeza for a billion episodes, well here's the payoff as the thing hyped for a billion chapters is finally happening and Goku's now this cool ass super saiyan that feels incredibly earned with the journey he's been on. It's not just meandering nothing and then a tweest or a subversion. Everything is building off of what came before it.

>>150085789
Haha Reminds me of that one black dude who snuck into the KKK

>>150080439
Half the heroes I liked growing up weren't even human.

I just can't get into modern western black characters since they're either too gay, too annoying, too whiny, or just flat out boring.
I'd take a million gangbanging shitheads over most of this modern shit. Hell, I'd even take a complete and total villain so long as he's actually interesting and not a whiny, faggy, "misunderstood" cunt.

I tried watching Ironheart.
>Riri talks like a /pol/ caricature.
>Blah blah Tony Stark bad and privileged!
>Convoluted way to make her an underdog even after she apprenticed in Wakanda and had an MIT scholarship.
>Does bad things, learns no lessons.
>Arrogant, not in a fun way.
But when I watched Black Panther I could say that some of it felt cringey/stereotypical too, but I guess Killmonger really made people ignore that because they felt it had "depth". MCU stuff all feels cringey but needs a slight thing to tip it over one way or another.

>>150080404
>The "Always keep improving!" message?
That really only appeals to a very small audience, but I'd say that is wish fulfillment. Nobody just keeps improving forever on anything. Especially when it comes to physical strength. You have an advantage if you start really young because it effects bone development, and pretty quickly after your teens physical exercise gets harder to improve and quickly becomes a matter of working harder to stay where you are as you get old.

All of the alien shit handwaves all that away, and then there's Roshi who's hundreds of years and can get comically buff on command just because of magic, or something.

>>150086167
>I'd take a million gangbanging shitheads over most of this modern shit. Hell, I'd even take a complete and total villain so long as he's actually interesting and not a whiny, faggy, "misunderstood" cunt.
What about a black kid that became a supervillain because his parents were killed by a superhero? (yes, his parents were criminals who had it coming to them)

>>150087262
What the fuck happened here? obviously cap and hulk here are fakes, but still

>>150087350
He made it up it never happened. It's a fake flashback.

>>150087237
It's cause strength in Dragonball comes from Ki not their muscles, and Ki apparently has no real limit and you can keep raising it no matter your age. It why Roshi despite being an old human actually becomes competent in Super. He did some Ki training and improved it dramatically.

>>150087732
Like I said, it's wish fulfillment, not a message that has any basis in reality.

>>150079233
this used to be a latin-american meme until niggers on twitter got a hold of it and killed it

>>150087966
>>150087237
This is what autism looks like.

>>150079383
DBZ transcends racial boundaries

>>150080404
have guys with muscles duke it out, and train to become stronger. Basically make a show that genuinely appeals to boys, and don't put any soft shit in it.

>>150088426
>and train to become stronger
I really don't get the appeal of training. It gets in the way of actual story. Just wrap that shit up with a montage if you need to.

>>150088426
What do you count as 'soft shit'? All the male characters in Dragon Ball have moments of softness and vulnerability, even crying in some cases like Vegeta on Namek or Gohan all throughout the series until they get to Buu.

>>150088100
Black guys have always like Dragon Ball too.

>>150079149 (OP)
How to appeal to black audiences
>Have a cool looking, violent show where the lead is a strong man without a dad
Boom.

>>150088903
Crying at the death of a loved one or your own weakness resulting in someone you love getting hurt or killed or a major loss of life or a legitimate tragedy isn't soft, soft would be crying over a minor inconvenience or some kind of mild emotional trauma that would upset a child.

>>150079820
>It's silly this idea that the show or movie or whatever needs to have a character who looks in a certain way for the character or the story to be relatable

How strange then that this website on a daily basis hyperventilates and actively refuses to watch anything when the main character is not a straight white male. Hell, just having a side character who doesn’t meet criteria creates endless complaining. They don’t even have to actually read or watch the fucking thing, just SEEING a picture is enough to make people rage. People today regularly arfue that ANY non-white character is “propaganda” and only there because of “agenda” while in the same breath claiming “old media didn’t do that” which hilarious because the history of minority representation in media has had to fight tooth and nail for every character, for every second and minute of screen time, because the powers that be are always against it.

>>150088930
>the lead is a strong man without a dad
Hah!

>>150089027
we’re not living in an era where white racists dont consume black content. this is not the 1940s.
in fact the single artist alive today who has the most white racist fans in pure quantity is probably Kanye.
4chan has no problem with good black characters like Mr. Terrific and Blade. they just had cardboard faggot characters with no personality like Miles Morales. and racists can use it as a pretext because they’re easy targets and nobody will push back against it.

>>150089027
It is funny that the next post was this: >>150089168
Fresh Prince was on all the time growing up. I don't think you realise that a large amount of people actually grew up with some semblance of colour blindness. Not to say there was no more problems but that problems had lessened. And then post financial crash we suddenly got intersectionality pushed at us and told that you need to think about how it feels to be a poor gay black trans disabled person but paradoxically they also told you will never know what it is to be a poor gay black trans disabled person. Universal humanism and the suffering of man? No that doesn't count because only some people can suffer and it is not defined by experience but by whatever traits you have. But we thought that judging people on those traits was wrong? Oh no, now people are only defined by those traits.

You're complaining about a reactionary ideology that has been created by years of pushing some of the most passive people down so much with ideas that contradicted everything they were taught. We were taught not to judge people by those traits, now we are taught those traits matter absolutely and don't you forget it.

>>150089529
>I don't think you realise that a large amount of people actually grew up with some semblance of colour blindness.
Oh, but I do.

>>150079446
One Piece, Naruto and Jujutsu Kaisen; that is the be all end all of that.

>>150089595

crackers are so delusional

>>150089689
N

>>150089672
Does this mean I lose my black card?

>>150089595
people don't even hate black people in my country (leaf) but holy shit does absolutely everyone hate indians and pakistanis nowadays. like absolutely fucking everyone, even ones born here hate the ones straight off the plane and they complain about lax immigration laws.

>>150089727
>people don't even hate black people in my country (leaf)
Not to their faces. But there's bigger fish to fry.

>>150089748
i'm 33 and i have never seen or heard racism against blacks here besides edgy jokes teenagers and young men say to appear tough. brown people though? it's rampant, literally everywhere. all social classes.

>>150089783
It's rampant because it got socially acceptable very quickly because of the influx of migrants. You are probably interacting with plenty of people just as old as us that hate blacks too, but there are so many that have been here for generations and there isn't really a massive influx of them the way there are indians and pakis, so it's less taboo to say you hate one than the other. But I guarantee you if you breach the subject just right, plenty will say they would love a Whites-only ethnostate.

>>150079149 (OP)
As a white man, I just want to say fuck Clarence, fuck his parents and their real good marriage, fuck Grandbrook, and fuck the new world.

>>150084329
>I sorta feel it the last anime I actually ever watched fully.
You haven't watched one since fully since 2003? man you missed a lot of fantastic stuff. Have you watched western cartoons made after 2003?
>>150083937
>>150083937
>anime could still make stories that expressive if they weren't so strapped by production costs as they are now
For something more modern I really liked Odd Taxi

>>150080404
Power levels, that shit is opium for midwits

>>150088955
>mild emotional trauma that would upset a child.
But you are describing Vegeta

>>150088664
The training is part of the story being told: >>150085929

>>150089529
All colour blindness meant was people denied discrimination was still a real problem, that if you just don’t talk about racism then it doesn’t exist. Out of sights, out of mind, I’m doing good so other people must be doing good too. Just pure denial.

How can racism be a thing if Eddie Murphy was a star?! Despite same exact time Billy Duke, one of the only two black directors allowed to get work in Hollywood, was constantly getting treated like shit because he was black guy, security wouldn’t let him inside the building because they didn’t believe he could be a director, etc.

While you were feeling good about yourself watching Will Smith on TV minorities were constantly targeted with stop & frisk, getting stopped because you were black while driving, people complaining about DEI no sorry I meant Affirmative Action every time a non-white or a woman got a job, gay people and trans people were discriminated and targeted with violence. Your credentials didn’t mean anything because just having a foreign name meant your job application didn’t get a call back and ethnicity automatically got you worse bank loan terms and your house sells for less than if you were white. And if someone told you about that? Oh that can’t be true, you’re exaggerating or lying. Dismissive attitudes prevailed all the time.

And now that you can’t just wave it away you get pissy and blame minorities for having the temerity to bring up their because UwU what about me?

Just because someone likes Jackie Chan movies doesn’t mean they can’t be racist. That’s a children’s idea of how racism and prejudice works. The entire 00s was filled with rampant racism against anyone even remotely looking brown. Sikhs were physically attacked for wearing a turban. If you were an ME actor all you could do was play terrorists. Because that’s another form of racism. It’s not KKK level but reducing your job opportunities to just a negative stereotype is still racism.

>>150090329
>writing this gay ass essay on /co/ of all places
lmao

>>150090304
Nothing in that post addresses anything I said.

>>150079843
>>150079389
>Because Aaron McGruder is gay.
the opposite actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3XgpPhUEFE

>>150090437
Yes it does. It shows what the purpose of training is for the story. You don't know shit about writing.

>>150090467
No. It doesn't. Tell me; what happens in the manga while Goku is training?

>>150090489
see >>150090467

>>150090200
>You haven't watched one since fully since 2003? man you missed a lot of fantastic stuff.

Yeah, I know it sounds silly but I'm drawing a blank from that time, whihc I think was actually around 04-06 for me, what other anime down the road til now that i really jumped head first into.

>Have you watched western cartoons made after 2003?
I'd have to look over a wiki cuz all I can think of is of course the Boondocks, Black Dynamite, MorelOrel, rick and Morty...a bunch of shit that kinda just passed me by.

But I feel around the 2010s, i fell off cable stuff and was mostly on YT watching vids there and parody shows.

Its all a blur...time fuckin flies.

>>150090501
You're ignoring the question because you know he doesn't do anything.

>>150080404
It's the feels. Same thing that makes any story good.
Goku becoming Super Saiyan is this huge operatic moment where his anger causes a mountain shattering thunderstorm.
Gohan killing Cell after his decade long arc of lacking confidence and then blasting a his nemesis to pieces with the memory of his father behind him is a culmination of so many moments throughout the show.
The Buu saga is stupid but what do you hate experiencing joy? Fuck you.

>>150088426
Fist of The North Star pre-dates DBZ by a few years and doesn't have the same cultural staying power
DBZ's iconography and characters are more lovable than just buff guys.

>>150090467
>>150090501
>Goku dies and goes to hell
>Runs on snake way until he can be revived
>Meets King Kai, they crack jokes
>Goku learns that Saiyans are from a world with 10x Earth's gravity, just like Kai's planet
>Goku chases the monkey and eventually catches him, so Kai decides to train him
>Goku learns the Spirit Bomb off panel, then Kai reminds him (and the audience) what it is and can do
There was no kind of character development and the only thing that happened that was plot-relevant was Kai fucked-up their schedule and made it so Goku would return after Napa and Vegeta arrive on Earth. Literally it's the other characters actually doing things in the story and training was more of a way to write Goku out of the story. If there was anything more to that then it was in the anime, not what Toriyama originally wrote.

If you argued that Piccolo training Gohan was an example of what good training does for the story, but you literally ignored it for a load of absolutely fucking nothing.

>>150079233
I always thought this was more popular with Mexicans and Arabs than it was with blacks.

>>150090537
I see.
> i fell off cable
Well same for me in the sense that I haven't watched cable stuff in like 15 years or so but ever since the mid 00s I've been torrenting anime and media in general(that's how I also discovered a lot of anime I would never seen on tv).

>>150090747
you literally can't see the forest for the trees. Never write anything

>>150091225
Okay, so what are "the trees" I'm missing in the manga? (I don't know why I bother asking, because we both know you won't answer)

>>150088100
>>150090761
>Dragonball is a latin-american thing
>Black people got into it on twitter
This is so hilariously out of touch that I'm not even mad. Just amused.

I think Falcon Cap is cool.
They got a lot more creative with his fight scenes when he became the main character.

>>150079233
Ok

There will be 2 versions. One where the saiyans will be black and piccolo will be hispanic and one where the saiyans will be hispanic and piccolo will be black

I will make so much money

>>150079149 (OP)
>Write a black character
>Make him white
What do you get?

>>150091142
Yeah, I was using YT and various side cartoon sites to watch most things these days.

>>150089716
If you watch that much anime youre more weeb than you are black

>>150079149 (OP)
It is funny to see them bend over backwards.

>>150089716
Blackness contains multitudes.
My favorite anime is Matrixy sci-fi cyberpunk stuff like Ergo Proxy, GitS, LAIN, and PsychoPass.

>>150096791
I also like those shows for the most part, but sci-fi cyberpunk anime is comparatively rare these days.
They still kinda make stuff in that vein (Metallic Rouge, Maou 2099, Synduality Noir, Edgerunners, Megalo Box, Vivy, etc. etc.) but they rarely come close to tickling the ballsack of something like SEL or GitS. Honestly, most of them don't even match older 2nd-rate sci-fi stuff like Real Drive or Witch Hunter Robin for the most part.

>>150096941
I'd put Megalobox way above Whr for actually having a decent budget.

>>150096994
I would too, WHR has too many awful, ugly early 2000s CG backgrounds and long, drawn-out slideshows, even if the slideshows tend to be decently-drawn.

>>150089672
>Jujutsu Kaisen
I honestly only pay attention to this for the fight scenes and Mei Mei, since she plays right into my /ss/ fetish.

>>150087262
>What about a black kid that became a supervillain because his parents were killed by a superhero? (yes, his parents were criminals who had it coming to them)
Black manta