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Anonymous No.150176978 >>150177016 >>150178301 >>150179654 >>150180714 >>150181459 >>150182349 >>150184511 >>150186633 >>150187470 >>150188367 >>150190300 >>150192503 >>150194633 >>150195199 >>150195339 >>150195502 >>150197377 >>150200298 >>150202082 >>150206663 >>150207017 >>150213451 >>150216587
Cowboys and Indians
We need more western /co/ material.
Anonymous No.150177016 >>150177021 >>150177028 >>150177800 >>150184772 >>150190501 >>150196486 >>150203208
>>150176978 (OP)
>Gets ton of new content during the new 52 era
>Suddenly forgotten
Did Jonah flopped in sales?
Anonymous No.150177021 >>150177309 >>150179805 >>150204592 >>150209763
>>150177016
Jonah Hex is a White straight man who fought for the Confederacy which means he is a racist nazi fascist transphobe homophobe satan hitler.
Anonymous No.150177028
>>150177016
It was doing cancellation numbers and only got kept because Didio loved it
Anonymous No.150177309
>>150177021
sounds about right
Anonymous No.150177800 >>150177832
>>150177016
The most famous, modern /co/ cowboy isn't even a real cowboy.
Anonymous No.150177832 >>150180702
>>150177800
YOU GOT A FRIEND IN ME.
Anonymous No.150178301 >>150178311
>>150176978 (OP)
Never ask a man his salary
A woman her age
Jimmy Palmiotti why his wife Amanda Conner never drew Jonah Hex
Anonymous No.150178311 >>150178414
>>150178301
...why?
Anonymous No.150178414 >>150178426
>>150178311
She can't draw fast enough for a monthly so she only does minis and lots of promo art, claiming repetitive stress injuries
The last hurdle for many artists is "great, now draw this well in half the time" and some just never get there
Anonymous No.150178426 >>150178541
>>150178414
Ahh. I was expecting something else. But that's kind of sad.
Anonymous No.150178541 >>150183789
>>150178426
Erica Henderson is actually an amazing, detailed artist but Squirrel Girl forced her to dumb down her style and draw minimal backgrounds because she'd never had to churn out 20 pages a month before.
Norm Breyfogle was almost unable to find art jobs after DC kicked him out. His last gig was Jughead.
Anonymous No.150179579
>puffs up smoke signals that say bump
Anonymous No.150179654 >>150184664 >>150185256
>>150176978 (OP)
The genre's still reasonably present in France, Italy and Belgium. Take your pick.
Anonymous No.150179805 >>150184246 >>150184772
>>150177021
So he flopped and no one likes him cool
Anonymous No.150180702
>>150177832
Oh great, now it's stuck in my head again
Anonymous No.150180714
>>150176978 (OP)
So why didnt you buy his run 10 years ago?
Anonymous No.150181459
>>150176978 (OP)
What's there to tell about them anyway?
Anonymous No.150181760 >>150183710 >>150183867 >>150185256
Just like with western movies the Europeans are weirdly the best at making western comics
Anonymous No.150181977
I was thinking about JLU's Vigilante. He seems pretty cool and the contrast between him and Shining Knight works well.
Anonymous No.150182349 >>150182439
>>150176978 (OP)
both pre and post flashpoint runs are good.
Anonymous No.150182439 >>150212261
>>150182349
The new 52 run is alright but it's no Volume 2
Anonymous No.150183710 >>150185328
>>150181760
>We should keep naming our badasses after fruit
Anonymous No.150183789 >>150204347
>>150178541
Samples of this art?
Anonymous No.150183867 >>150184296 >>150196336
>>150181760
We know the reason that the Dollars Trilogy managed to run circles around American cowboy films at the time though. Among other things, Hollywood was really careful about its PR and was constantly trying to show it promoted "good American values" so the cowboys always had to be these "All-American heroes" that saved the day and brought law to the land.
Anti-heroes were getting extremely popular in Europe at the time and Eastwood took the role entirely because he was sick of playing the white hat roles they kept trying to give them. So when it came out in the US, it exposed the audience to something they hadn't really seen before
Anonymous No.150184246
>>150179805
found the troon
Anonymous No.150184296 >>150184581
>>150183867
Don't discount the cinematography and score which was a huge step up from what came before
Anonymous No.150184511 >>150184600
>>150176978 (OP)
Hard agree.
Anonymous No.150184581
>>150184296
This. Everyone knows the spaghetti western tropes and that Ennio Morricone is essentially created the sound of the wild west, but even if you already know the major musical themes from the dollars trilogy, nothing can prepare you for just how incredibly effective they are in context of the films.
Anonymous No.150184600 >>150184638
>>150184511
Vgh, what could've been... im still coping from this never happening
Anonymous No.150184638
>>150184600
I'm still keeping my fingers crossed. Tara and Zach haven't nailed that coffin shut yet, so I'm holding out hope. The concept was fucking awesome and their style is so cool. The pilot had some issues to iron out, but I'm convinced that if this ever made it to series it would be absolutely incredible.
Anonymous No.150184664
>>150179654
was going to say, lot's of cowboys in bandes dessinées
Anonymous No.150184772 >>150190501 >>150196486 >>150196591
>>150177016
>>150179805
New 52 is what killed Jonah. He was soaring with his solo title BEFORE New 52. All Star Western fucked him over. Jonah Hex vol 2 from 05 to 2011 sold very well and was received very well by fans and critics. You must have been too young to remember the storytimes when new issues were being released. A character like Jonah Hex is hard to do now. Not because he's a confederate uniform wearing bounty hunter, but because his stories should all be single issue or two parters at most. And DC doesn't hire writers who know how to do that. They're out there and they exist, but DC won't give them a chance.
Anonymous No.150185256 >>150186723
>>150179654
>>150181760
Up north we mainly have a tabletop RPG. Not the greatest out there but a source of weird anecdotes.
Anonymous No.150185328
>>150183710
>We should keep naming our badasses after sexual fetishes
Anonymous No.150186633 >>150187102 >>150193285
>>150176978 (OP)
I love Preacher.
Anonymous No.150186723 >>150188200
>>150185256
Boy they didn't even try to make it not look like Clint eh
Anonymous No.150187102 >>150188972 >>150196772
>>150186633
The Live Action Show was alright too. They changed a few things (Tulip's character especially), but nothing that felt like it strayed too far away from the comics and I love they way the show was stylized.
Anonymous No.150187470
>>150176978 (OP)
It'll never fucking happen, but I would spend money on one or two Jonah Hex vol. 2 compendiums.

Everyone says that the run is really good but it doesn't look like it was collected anywhere.
Anonymous No.150188200 >>150188223
>>150186723
It can't be helped, it's him or Lee Van Cleef.
Anonymous No.150188223 >>150195158
>>150188200
What about John Wayne? How about James Arness?
Anonymous No.150188367 >>150188383 >>150188975 >>150190344 >>150192287
>>150176978 (OP)
>We need more western /co/ material
No
Must protect injun feelings
Must simp for casino owners
Anonymous No.150188383
>>150188367
I'm Cheyenne and I agree with OP.
Anonymous No.150188972 >>150189062
>>150187102
The little I saw was extremely different. None of the characters were like their comic counterparts at all.
Anonymous No.150188975 >>150217232
>>150188367
It's telling that your definition of a western necessitates villainizing native americans.
Anonymous No.150189062 >>150190065 >>150204602
>>150188972
How so? The biggest differences were probably Eugene and Tulip. I have no real opinion on Eugene - his character was never something that stuck out in the comics aside from his face (and he got a much bigger role in the show). Tulip was fairly different though I think they improved the character - she was a wet blanket in the comics.
Cassidy was spot fucking on. They couldn't have cast him better. Jessie was pretty close, albeit a touch more tormented. Herr Starr was pretty accurate. Most of the characters I can think of off the top of my head matched the comic books pretty faithfully with maybe a few liberties taken here or there to make things work a bit better for television.
Anonymous No.150190065 >>150190223
>>150189062
From what I saw, they toned everyone down significantly. You'd think this would be a good move, since it's an Ennis comic, but it was not. These are supposed to be very theatrical characters. The show is somehow way more subdued and way more farcical. I saw clips with a snivelling Hitler or some shit.
Saint of Killers in the show is a total lack of presence, and the comic character is all presence. Cassidy is missing a degree of sliminess. Jesse is less assertive. Herr Starr has no explosive anger. They tried to humanize Arseface. I haven't watched any clips of Tulip, but she was just fine in the comic.
What I saw doesn't work, so I never watched the show.
Anonymous No.150190223 >>150190594
>>150190065
>Saint of Killers in the show is a total lack of presence, and the comic character is all presence. Cassidy is missing a degree of sliminess. Jesse is less assertive. Herr Starr has no explosive anger.
I'm not sure that we watched the same show. Did you actually watch itt or did you just see a handful of out of context clips? You're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. I felt the characters all portrayed those aspects well. Cassidy may have been a little bit more of a lovable scamp due to the way he was acted, but he was plenty slimy and a lot of story beats were taken directly from the comics. Jesse was assertive enough that he began to alienate his colleagues. I don't know what you mean by "presence", but the Saint of Killers in the show was pretty much how I interpreted him in the comics.

>Tulip...was just fine in the comic
She was a boring-ass character who felt mostly mopey. She wasn't particularly well written or memorable. I'd read the comics first and she was just kind of "the girl". The show takes her in a much more interesting direction and while it was surprising at first, by episode 2 I was on board. She's much more of a firecracker and capable, yet flawed enough to avoid being a mary sue and fallible enough to avoid being a "girl boss".

>snivelling Hitler
Yeah, he was part of the added Eugene subplot. He wasn't a main character and was played mostly for comic relief.

Your talk of "clips" makes me believe that you haven't watched the show. You can't have seen even the first episode if you didn't see any Tulip. Watching out of context clips is not a good way to get a gauge on the effectiveness of an adaptation. Some things need to change to make the material work for TV, but I think they were more faithful to the source material than most without making it feel stupid. Most of the plots were straight out of the books (with some slight alterations to give characters more depth), and a lot of shots were direct from the pages.
Anonymous No.150190300 >>150190321 >>150190435 >>150191895 >>150203999 >>150204641
>>150176978 (OP)
Is there any other genre that takes place in one specific time and location?
Anonymous No.150190321 >>150190413
>>150190300
You don't have to have it be in the American old west. Could easily do some One Piece shit but instead of pirates its outlaws(cowboys) and shit
Anonymous No.150190344
>>150188367
I'd be down for more Native American heroes too though
Anonymous No.150190413 >>150190461 >>150190479 >>150190483
>>150190321
>Could easily do some One Piece shit but instead of pirates its outlaws(cowboys) and shit
So it's just the costume and set design that makes a western?
Anonymous No.150190435 >>150190508
>>150190300
While westerns sometimes include aspects of historical settings like the post-civil war, Mexican Revolution, gold rush, building of the railroads, etc, they're just as often completely anachronistic stories about gunslingers riding horses searching for opportunity. It's as fictional a setting as any.
Most of the stuff depicted in westerns were invented for film anyway. There's no photographic evidence or drawings that the typical swinging saloon doors were ever used. Saloons had regular-ass doors. Duels were exceptionally rare and guns weren't allowed in most towns. They were collected by law enforcement and returned when you were leaving. And just as today, if you were caught with a firearm when you weren't supposed to have one, there would be legal ramifications. If someone was shot (even in self defense) there would be a trial. You couldn't just get away with murder. People didn't fan guns like they do in westerns, and the guns weren't worn low on the hips. They were worn high to make it easier to mount and ride a horse.
Anonymous No.150190461 >>150190508
>>150190413
Nope. All the tropes are archetypes are just common in other genres.
Anonymous No.150190479 >>150190508
>>150190413
> So it's just the costume and set design that makes a western?
Pretty much. Same thing goes for pirate movies. Those aren't historically accurate by any stretch of the imagination. There's a loose indication of time period in that a fucking cybertruck driving onto set wouldn't feel particularly western-y, but historical inaccuracies pop up all the time in westerns and nobody gives a shit. They're not supposed to be dramatized documentaries. It's a fun fantasy world invented for cinema about cowboys (or cowgirls or natives) going on adventures.
Anonymous No.150190483 >>150190493 >>150190588
>>150190413
Mandalorian S1 was literally a western in space
Anonymous No.150190493 >>150190582
>>150190483
Too bad they never did more with that. It had such promise. Maybe we'll get a S2 someday.
Anonymous No.150190501
>>150177016
>>150184772
The movie probably didn't do him any favors
Anonymous No.150190508 >>150190575
>>150190435
>>150190461
>>150190479
My main criticism is that westerns are just as narrow and limited as the superhero genre. The only real difference is superheroes are popular now and westerns were popular when boomers were kids, so it's just old = good, new = bad.

>historically accurate
I do not give a shit.
Anonymous No.150190575
>>150190508
It ticks me off that police procedurals get a pass. I can't think of a more banal genre.
Anonymous No.150190582 >>150190604
>>150190493
...Anon I..
Anonymous No.150190588 >>150191035
>>150190483
>western in space
Agreed, but the "in space" part is an important distinction in that it's not actually a western, but pretty much a western if a western were set in space.
I would say that Mandalorian S1 was definitely heavily influenced by Westerns and it was obviously made to be a "western in space", but if someone asked me to watch a western with them and then put on Mandelorian, I'd be pretty fucking pissed. Same if it was screened at a western film festival or something. I think it can have the spirit of a western and be western adjacent without actually being called one.

> westerns are just as narrow and limited as the superhero genre
Sounds more like a skill issue. There are tons of stories to explore. It's just a setting. I just got done reading a bunch of short western horror stories based on folklore. It was gothy and awesome. Outer Range was set on a ranch where a giant hole opens up in the middle of field that acts as some sort of time travel wormhole. While it's technically set in modern day, that same story could have just as easily been set in the "wild west" backdrop.
Anonymous No.150190594 >>150190747
>>150190223
I thought I made it clear enough that I didn't watch the show. I saw the preview for season 1 way back, saw that it looked and felt nothing like the show, and never bothered. Since then I've only watched clips, and they remind me nothing of the comic.
>Jesse was assertive enough that he began to alienate his colleagues
Exactly. It's all wrong.
>but the Saint of Killers in the show was pretty much how I interpreted him in the comics.
I saw more clips of SoK than of any other character just because the first clip I was so off the mark. He's not the brutal, scary force of nature he is in the comics. He's a much sleepier, humanized interpretation, but the extras still act scared around him.
Tulip in the comics wasn't boring at all. She was also assertive but mystified when in love with Jesse.
Just out of curiosity, are you the type to think that the Watchmen movie is exactly like the comic with the ending changed?
Anonymous No.150190604 >>150190630 >>150204683
>>150190582
I SAID MAYBE WE'LL GET A S2 SOMEDAY
Anonymous No.150190630
>>150190604
Come here and give me a hug anon
Anonymous No.150190747 >>150190910
>>150190594
> I saw the preview for season 1
Then you don't have any sort of substantial frame of reference. You're off the mark on the Saint of Killers especially.
> are you the type to think that the Watchmen movie is exactly like the comic
I have neither read nor watched the Watchmen. Capeshit is not my thing.
Anonymous No.150190887
Ken Parker is pretty good.
Anonymous No.150190910 >>150191074
>>150190747
>Then you don't have any sort of substantial frame of reference.
Of course I do. I watched over 20 minutes of his performance alone, and I read the whole comic. Did I just happen to watch all the bad parts? Is the rest of his appearance exactly like it is in the comic?
Anonymous No.150191035 >>150191281
>>150190588
>Agreed, but the "in space" part is an important distinction in that it's not actually a western, but pretty much a western if a western were set in space.
Funny enough, that's pretty much how Star Trek was pitched. They had to sell it as "a wagon train to the stars" because the studio wasn't interested in doing anything but westerns at the time because that's what was popular.

>It's just a setting
My whole initial question was; Is it a setting or is it a genre? Because if a genre requires one specific setting, then it's a pretty piss-poor genre.
Anonymous No.150191074 >>150191978
>>150190910
> I watched over 20 minutes of his performance alone
There's nothing I can say that will convince you beyond your predilections. I think it's absolutely retarded to watch out of context clips of a character, not watch any episodes, and decide that a show is unfaithful to the comics, but it's not like anything I say will make you reconsider your opinion. I read the comics and watched the show and I felt the show was a good adaptation both for being closely aligned to the comics while changing enough to work for the different format. And without having actually watched the show, there's not likely anything you'll say that will make me reconsider my opinion, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
Anonymous No.150191281 >>150191462
>>150191035
> if a genre requires one specific setting, then it's a pretty piss-poor genre.
I disagree and think that the assessment of the worth of a genre based on the flexibility of the setting is an arbitrary parameter.
That said, I'm not enough of an authority on film to determine whether westerns are a setting or a genre, but I think people could argue either way or both. Some people would say Mandalorian or Justified are westerns just as some would say Ghost Dog or Kill Bill are samurai films. There are arguments to be made there, but even if a genre was restricted to a specific setting, I think it's reductive to assess the genre as "piss-poor" simply because one of the defining traits happens to be a time and place. It's like saying that film music is a piss-poor music genre because it requires that the music be used in a film.
Anonymous No.150191462 >>150191516
>>150191281
Is it a setting or a genre, or a sub-genre? Horror is a genre, but there's a lot of variety to it, but it can be broken-up into subgenres that get nearly as specific as Westerns are to a specific time and setting.
Anonymous No.150191516 >>150191700
>>150191462
I dunno. At some point all this shit breaks down. Kung Fu the Legend was a kung fu series in the wild west. What the fuck was that? (There are actually a number of kung fu/western crossover films). Wild Wild West was a steampunk western. Then there's Cowboys vs Aliens, Cowboys vs Zombies, Billy the Kid Versus Dracula....it's pure chaos.
Anonymous No.150191535
Just picture some fictional world in an eternal state of the 1800s. Like how ASOIAF was stuck as some medieval age shit for what? 8,000 years?
Anonymous No.150191700 >>150191844 >>150191912 >>150204613
>>150191516
I personally have absolutely no interest in the setting. None at all. Probably because I actually live in the West and see cowboy shit everywhere and it's all some lazy cheap facade. So when people say they want Westerns I just assume that they want the aesthetic of it slapped onto some modern slop, like any other modern soap opera that gets cranked out but with cowboy costumes, phony accents and boot spurs jingling overlaid onto it.

I want to believe there is some actual substance that separates the genre other than; 'member The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly?
Anonymous No.150191844 >>150194544
>>150191700
It really depends on what you mean by "substance", but it sounds like maybe westerns just aren't for you. It's like scientists watching science fiction - they'll either fucking hate it or they'll be able to forget reality for 90 minutes and tap into the enjoyment of the fantasy.

Sure, the dollars trilogy is iconic and in a way, genre defining (though I think The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly was my least favorite of the 3), so in some ways the comparison will always be there, but that same reductive "member " could be said about nearly any genre. There are always going to be major films that shift paradigms and beg comparison. If you hate the genre, then everything will seem like a trite copy. Some people hate whodunnits. Dan Harmon hates heist films. You don't have to like westerns.
Anonymous No.150191895 >>150196654
>>150190300
chanbara, jidaigeki, period dramas- the japanese westerns, if you will.
Anonymous No.150191908
I really wish we could get modern translated editions of Blueberry by Moebius. But Moebius estate are dicks about it.
Anonymous No.150191912 >>150193357 >>150196101
>>150191700
What do westerners think of Taylor Sheridan?
Anonymous No.150191978 >>150192240
>>150191074
Sorry, but I trust my senses and judgment more than I trust yours. I'm really not going to waste my time on the show because I already like the comic, and what I've seen from the show wasn't to my liking at all. It just makes no sense for me to go out of my way like that.
A random clip of a show or movie carries a lot of information, and it's not like a show this is hard to digest. I think it's silly that you can't tell what something is by watching a significant piece of it, but whatever.
Also, you keep saying I have no context, but then say that it's pretty faithful to the comic. If the latter is true, I'd be able to confirm that from reading the comic, even if the setting and storylines are updated.
Anonymous No.150192240
>>150191978
Nobody is making you watch it. You're entitled to your opinion. There's really nothing more to say on the topic.
Anonymous No.150192287 >>150217232
>>150188367
>My only contribution to 4chan threads is bitching about oppression
Fuck off tourist
Anonymous No.150192503 >>150205924
>>150176978 (OP)
Anonymous No.150193285
>>150186633
I like the one off about how he became the saint of killers. It reminded me of one of those dark fairy tales.
Anonymous No.150193357
>>150191912
Yellowstone's last season took whatever good will he had and shot it.
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Anonymous No.150194544 >>150194629 >>150194639
>>150191844
I just want to know what, if any appeal there is to them once you strip away the setting.
Anonymous No.150194629 >>150196311
>>150194544
It's not just the setting, but the atmosphere and tone. If you like things such as Escape from NY, Samurai Jack, Vampire Hunter D, and Sword & Sorcery, youvlike spaghetti westerns.
Anonymous No.150194633 >>150194654 >>150195199
>>150176978 (OP)
East of West was good.
Anonymous No.150194639 >>150194671 >>150196311 >>150198391
>>150194544
You could say the same thing about sci-fi. Strip away the futuristic setting and what's left is a story about people (or I guess characters if they're not human).
Again, it's clear that you just don't like westerns. If you hate the setting, then you're probably not going to like most of the stuff that's made in that genre. That's totally fine. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean the entire genre is bullshit. You can...just not like it.
I don't like musicals. I can point out the things I really don't like about them, but at the end of the day, it has more to do with me than musicals themselves.
Anonymous No.150194654 >>150204736
>>150194633
I'll have to try it again. I couldn't get into it.
Anonymous No.150194671 >>150196311
>>150194639
Same with Samurai films. You strip away feudal Japan and what do you have left? Again, a story about people. Strip away the western setting, what do you have left? A story about people.
Anonymous No.150195158 >>150195167
>>150188223
They were popular... with the parents or now grandparents of the game designers and target audience. So it has to be Clint, Lee, generic injun with feather crown, generic mustachioed mexican, generic saloon wench.
But it gives you naked duels of two pantsless gunfighters. Or a horse rustling suspicion escalating to being wanted for killing a sheriff. Or using the buckshot of a Le Mat revolver to make a duel against the final boss a draw.
Anonymous No.150195167
>>150195158
Sounds like a good time to me
Anonymous No.150195199
>>150194633
yeah i think so too

>>150176978 (OP)
manifest destiny might count. but i only read like two volumes of it
Anonymous No.150195245 >>150195310
My dad's birthday was the other day and his friend gave him five giant trashbags full of DVDs pulled off the friend's grandpa's shelf.

So many fucking westerns... I myself got to keep the complete Deadwood DVD set!
Anonymous No.150195310
>>150195245
Kino. If you ever get those catalogued I'd love to see what you have.
Anonymous No.150195311 >>150195341
Anyone going to check this out? Or read the novel it's based on?
Anonymous No.150195319 >>150196697 >>150204753
Anyone read this? It's supposedly set in the post-zombie-apocalypse
Anonymous No.150195324 >>150195438 >>150202178
I want an adaptation out of New Vegas bounties.
Anonymous No.150195331 >>150204830
Anonymous No.150195339
>>150176978 (OP)
DCAU Vigilante was the best. Brave and the Bold was pretty cool, sings pretty well.
Anonymous No.150195341 >>150195413
>>150195311
when is it releasing?
Anonymous No.150195393 >>150195412
there was a tv show called Jericho, and it was continued as a comic book. but if it's western, it's modern western. don't know if it counts
Anonymous No.150195412
>>150195393
I'd count it.
like Longmire but that's based off a novel
Anonymous No.150195413 >>150195434
>>150195341
October 5th, according to Amazon.
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Anonymous No.150195434
>>150195413
Thanks anon. I hadn't heard of it. I'll keep an eye out.
Anonymous No.150195438 >>150195498
>>150195324
New Vegas would make a great post apocalyptic cartoon..
Anonymous No.150195498
>>150195438
For sure. Though personally I doubt the Fallout show is going to do it justice.
Anonymous No.150195502 >>150195520 >>150196110
>>150176978 (OP)
>and indians
Turok
Finder by Carla Speed McNeil
Anonymous No.150195520
>>150195502
Oh that reminds me, they made Tanto (Lone Ranger) comics too
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Anonymous No.150196101
>>150191912
I've only watched some of his movies. Pretty cool.
Anonymous No.150196110
>>150195502
> Turok
huh - natives and dinosaurs?
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Anonymous No.150196311 >>150196417
>>150194629
>It's not just the setting, but the atmosphere and tone.
Which is?

>youvlike spaghetti westerns.
But not all westerns are "spaghetti westerns", which is just a sub-category of Western. They're more violent then typical westerns, usually have moral ambiguity instead of clear black hat vs white hat, and dialogue was often kept to a minimum because they often had to dub it over later.

>>150194639
>>150194671
>You could say the same thing about sci-fi. Strip away the futuristic setting
E.T. is a sci-fi movie. Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure is a sci-fi movie. Sci-fi is not defined by the setting anywhere near the extent that westerns are and trying to pretend otherwise is just playing dumb.
Anonymous No.150196336 >>150196498 >>150202011 >>150203208
>>150183867
But John Wayne had quite a few anti hero roles, pre dating spaghetti westerns.
Anonymous No.150196417 >>150196529
>>150196311
And Serenity is a western not set in the wild west. And Brokeback mountain. And the Revenant, and the Nightengale, and No Country for Old Men.
What's your point?
Anonymous No.150196486
>>150177016
Hex was never a big seller and it was entirely due to Dan Didio thinking DC should actively publish diversity in their comics output that he kept Hex on life support when it would have otherwise been cancelled.

>>150184772
>He was soaring with his solo title

He absolutely wasn’t in terms of sales. He was gaining general popularity with readers but that wasn’t actually reflected in how well his comic was doing. The volume 2 of Jonah Hex sold relatively low numbers that would have warranted cancellation, but it was doing somewhat steady and consistent low figures in its sales numbers, kinda like how it went with Vertigo’s Hellblazer, so it wasn’t actually crashing and burning or losing them tons of money each month, and that’s precisely why Didio was able to allow it run for 70 issues.
Anonymous No.150196498
>>150196336
And John Wayne was a shitty actor who still played his characters certain way where he was ultimately in the right as the good guy
Anonymous No.150196529 >>150196568
>>150196417
>And Serenity is a western not set in the wild west
I only saw the first episode of Firefly and didn't care for it. I know it's a "space-western" but that same label was literally used for the original Star Trek, but Serenity is always mentioned when it comes to space-westerns because it blatantly has western-inspired costumes for characters. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but people seem to associate westerns more with a visual style than anything else.

>Brokeback mountain
I'll take your word for it.

>No Country for Old Men
I literally haven't even heard of the other movies you mentioned besides this. But I haven't seen it, so I still can't comment.
Anonymous No.150196568 >>150196590 >>150204446
>>150196529
What is your goal? You come into a thread about westerns and want to argue about why you don’t like westerns. Cool story. Go enjoy whatever you actually like. I’m not sure what you’re trying to accomplish.
Anonymous No.150196590 >>150198391
>>150196568
>I just want to know what, if any appeal there is to them once you strip away the setting.
Anonymous No.150196591
>>150184772
>All Star Western fucked him over.

Complete opposite. All Star Western was a hail mary from DC to get the sales go up because the sales on Hex weren’t good. ASW actually tried to offer you backup strips with other DC western characters and it didn’t get them better sales, all people did was bitch and moan that they incorporated more DCU aspects to the book which was clearly done in desperation to try and get people who wouldn’t otherwise want to read western comics to read the book. All ASW did was show that even when DC tries to push western comic it it's such a niche within a niche that it can’t sustain an ongoing title for long.
Anonymous No.150196654
>>150191895
While a lot of it is because the most famous classical Westerns now are basically just adaptations of Samurai movies, there is a lot of thematic and historical synchronicity between the two that leds itself to those kind of cultural cross-pollination. Both focus on a romanticized, idealized, or just kind of mythic portrayal of a lone warrior. They blow from town to town, almost a tragic figure. Where their martial skills and spirit also make them an outcast, unable to cohabitate with the people they save.

It's more explicit in the Samurai stories, but the sense of one age ending and another dawning is pretty common in both. The end of a major war tends to be the back drop for both, with the heroes having come out the other side of it with their skills. Now existing in a world that has little need for their kind in polite society. Not just socially, but technologically and politically their world is changing and there's a wistful regret to it, even as these stories primarily come from the society these changes created and which is much more palatable to the author and audience than the long lost, never really was era being left behind.

Been kind of hankering for a work that really tackles the parallels here more in depth, but it tends to either be incredibly ridiculous, intentionally so, or just kind of flavor.
Anonymous No.150196697
>>150195319
1 GAY NAKED COWBOY AT ZAM RANCH
Anonymous No.150196700 >>150202929
>POW
Gunsmoke.
Starring James Arness as Matt Dillon.
Anonymous No.150196772
>>150187102
Nobody cares, faggot.
Anonymous No.150197377 >>150198432 >>150206908
>>150176978 (OP)
Fuck Activision for killing the Darkwatch sequel and doing nothing with the IP.
I have the Heavy Metal issue, I remember enjoying the tie-in story. Wish this series at least got more comics.
Anonymous No.150197474 >>150197949
The 80s had their space westerns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5DM-mk7-TQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jZU5Xxpa7I
Anonymous No.150197949 >>150199124
>>150197474
Wasn’t there one about some anthropomorphized cows too?
Anonymous No.150198016 >>150199021 >>150200167
Tex became very popular in my country back in the 60s/70s, and there's still reprints going on. I really like it.
Anonymous No.150198391 >>150202495 >>150205735
>>150196590
>a story about people
Westerns (in the original "wild west" sense of the term) are a sub-genre of historical/period fiction. The setting is a defining trait of the subgenre just as feudal Japan is a defining trait of samurai films. The character archetypes and themes have been defined well enough that the subgenre has expanded to encompass films set in other times/settings as well so while the backdrop of the west may have originally been an extremely important trait of the subgenre, the stories and characters are strong enough to eschew that backdrop. The same could be said of samurai films.

To answer your question directly, if you strip away the setting, the appeal is a story about people. (which was already stated here >>150194639
>Strip away the futuristic setting and what's left is a story about people
You chose to pedantically focus on the use of the term "futuristic" by pointing out sci-fi films that are not set in the future, but you missed the point. If you take out the fictional science elements from sci-fi, you're left with a story about people. If you take out the "western" setting from westerns, your left with a story about people. Just as with sci-fi, the fictional science is part of the appeal. We watch them because we want to see aliens and time travel etc, but the fictional science alone doesn't make for a good film. GOOD sci-fi is just a backdrop for a story. Same with westerns - we watch them because we want to see gunslingers and saloon girls and horses, but if the setting was the entirety of the appeal, then shitty westerns wouldn't exist. The wild west in a GOOD western is just a backdrop for a story.
Anonymous No.150198407 >>150210304
Anonymous No.150198432
>>150197377
>I have the Heavy Metal issue, I remember enjoying the tie-in story.
storytime? (or at least tell us what issue it was so I can try to hunt it down)
Anonymous No.150199021 >>150201064
>>150198016
It seems boring. Is it good?
Anonymous No.150199124
>>150197949
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWKv9QS2tJA
Not in space though.
Anonymous No.150199339 >>150202106 >>150204336
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Anonymous No.150200167 >>150201064 >>150201710
>>150198016
The art style isn't grabbing me, but I'd give it a whirl. Do you recommend starting from the beginning or is there a particularly good issue to check out first to hook me?
Anonymous No.150200298 >>150204323
>>150176978 (OP)
This is a good mini series
Anonymous No.150200349
Anonymous No.150201064 >>150201306
>>150200167
I have never read the entire thing, I don't even know how many there are. I just bought the collections that had entire stories instead of floppies.
>>150199021
it captivated me when I was a kid, I used to go to used bookstores just to buy a trade and read it over the weekend. it's definitely old-fashioned, I doubt you'd like it. pic related is a random page of one.
Anonymous No.150201306
>>150201064
Art looks decent, good penmanship and inkwork, it's pretty clear what's what.
Then I'm kinda tainted by manga and feel there should have been one more row of panels on each page to separate some action/focus views from detailed scene views. Angles could have been more dynamic aswell. But those things weren't extensively thought of back then.
Anonymous No.150201710 >>150202129 >>150202331
>>150200167
We scanlated a bunch of the OG Tex Willer run (Tex Gigante collection) years ago. No idea if the links are still around on the 'ol Kaskus message board.
At this point, those are old enough to be a period piece, no different from the OG Batman comics, but it was kind of fun to watch Tex become more unhinged and eventually just go fully Doomguy and shoot approximately sixty goons in a single page before he blows up their ship. The stuff the other guy posted is modern Tex. OG Tex was drawn and paneled like this. Thanks, archive.org
Anonymous No.150202011
>>150196336
I dunnow about Film History but i guess it's just a changing of times, i mean there used to be more variety in american comics until the comics code so they had to be a lot cleaner for a few years till they could go back to having a few darker themes. Maybe it's the same.
Anonymous No.150202082
>>150176978 (OP)
The Scalphunter sections of Starman, especially the last one was insanely cool
Anonymous No.150202106
>>150199339
>Literally takes place 60 years after the actual Western shit
[/spoiler]>Mostly a noir story about a guy taking down Nazi sympathizers[/spoiler]
Anonymous No.150202129 >>150203047
>>150201710
>modern Tex
I never knew there was a distinction, fascinating. the dozens of goons dead every story still continues.
Anonymous No.150202178
>>150195324
The mod New Vegas Bounties? With the thing wherw you can join the guy that killed the other guy's baby?
Anonymous No.150202331
>>150201710
I can get into this art style. Thanks, anon!
Anonymous No.150202495 >>150203067 >>150205663 >>150205913
>>150198391
>a story about people
Suggest a story that isn't about people. I think I'd really like to read that.
Anonymous No.150202929
>>150196700
kino
Anonymous No.150203047
>>150202129
He will look a motherfucker in the eye and put as many bullets into him as it takes, yes.

But honestly, if you like violence in your Westerns, then nothing beats Durango. It's one continuous story that's carried forwards exclusively by mass murder.
Anonymous No.150203067 >>150211028
>>150202495
Animal comics do exist.
Anonymous No.150203208 >>150204285
>>150177016
Yes. I love the guy but he isn't exactly a crowd pleaser compared to superhero books.
I wish they would try and release some collected editions of his stuff though.
>>150196336
Did he?
The only one I can think of is True Grit and that was after but I have never been a huge John Wayne fan.
Anonymous No.150203999
>>150190300
Plenty. Victoria drama is one. For pirate story it tends there tend to be a period.
Anonymous No.150204285
>>150203208
>Did he?
He was definitely an anti hero in the Searchers and the man who shot liberty valance
Anonymous No.150204323 >>150204407
>>150200298
Doesn't this literally have a page that postures miscegenation as good thing? Kys kike
Anonymous No.150204336 >>150205719
>>150199339
Gay commie kike subversion of westerns, absolute horseshit, hope brubaker drowns in a like of fire.
Anonymous No.150204347
>>150183789
Same, I mean I like her art in general, she has a good cartoony vibe to it but her Squirrel Girl stuff does haunt her perception.
Anonymous No.150204407 >>150204448
>>150204323
Seethe wyte boi
Anonymous No.150204446 >>150205735
>>150196568
He's a bit annoying but I'm appreciating the analysis. Love it when people can dissect and strip down a genre or medium to its essentials, makes me understand it better and why I like or dislike something.
Anonymous No.150204448 >>150204528 >>150205699
>>150204407
Stop pretending you're a darkie, kike
Anonymous No.150204508 >>150204536 >>150204873 >>150205762
With risk of derailing the thread, there's this that came out (I think it came out?) that's a new Western story. It's a kickstarter thing though and haven't seen a story time or any pirated version of it yet.
Anonymous No.150204528 >>150204557
>>150204448
u mad?
Anonymous No.150204536
>>150204508
I really enjoyed this, hope razor's sequel will be just as good
Anonymous No.150204557 >>150204763
>>150204528
Wasn't born a sniveling little cuck like you; so no I'm not angry, I'm pretty thankful towards the Lord.
Anonymous No.150204592 >>150204747
>>150177021
Palmiotti's run was pretty dogshit, he made Jonah hate and disrespect his Confederate heritage.
Anonymous No.150204602 >>150205803
>>150189062
My biggest issue is that they fucked over the whole American road trip aspect in season 1 by fucking with and condensing the comic story arcs. I heard it got marginally better after they blew up Annville but the damage was already done for me. Plus I didn't like how everyone was really out of character, it just felt like a bastardization of everything. Oddly enough I kind of liked the Boys show even if they changed up a lot of stuff, the changes felt more coherent. Too bad they fucked that over with all the spinoffs and going all in on the Trump is Homelander shit.
Anonymous No.150204613 >>150205826
>>150191700
Gone With The Wind is my favourite novel, I really enjoyed High Noon, Tombstone, and 3:10 to Yuma. I haven't seen the dollars trilogy yet but what I tend to like about the genre has a lot to do with the unique ethos of the characters. Law is sparsely enforced, there is little cushion against the elements (meteorological or criminal), and there is danger and opportunity around every corner for those willing to venture forth. Honour, grit, the highest of hopes, and the deepest despair are what make Westerns compelling to me.
Anonymous No.150204641 >>150205848
>>150190300
Pirate stuff is generally isolated to a particular period of time in the Caribbean even though there were all sorts of piracy going on in various places throughout history.
Anonymous No.150204683
>>150190604
Season 2 was tolerable but you could really see where the wind was blowing, Season 3 was the real travesty
Anonymous No.150204736
>>150194654
I'd stick to it, the story is good (not great) but maybe I'm just a sucker for kickass setting mashups like that. Also the art is fucking great, love that dude's stuff. Shame he's wasted on Batman of all things now.
Anonymous No.150204747
>>150204592
To the surprise of no one. Same reason I know that Twilight reboot will be shit.
Anonymous No.150204753
>>150195319
I was very bored by it
Anonymous No.150204763 >>150205482
>>150204557
yeah u mad lol
Anonymous No.150204830 >>150205879
>>150195331
Not terribly impressed by this so far, interesting premise but the art is really mediocre and the story isn't wowing me.
Anonymous No.150204873
>>150204508
He might be a bit of a contrarian shithead but he has good taste in westerns and (sometimes) comics. Don't know about his actual writing ability, I heard his fantasy book was kind of shitty but I'll admit Ghost of the Badlands intrigued me a smidge. Shame no one scanned it yet.
Anonymous No.150205482 >>150205699
>>150204763
I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.150205663 >>150205735 >>150205913 >>150211028
>>150202495
>Suggest a story that isn't about people. I think I'd really like to read that
That's the fucking point, isn't it? I get that your end goal is that you think westerns are bullshit so you're trying to corner anons into thinking the same thing, but ALL stories are about people plus some stylistic things that subdivide them into categories. When we strip away all the stylistic elements, the good movies are stories about people. You can say that about literally every genre.
> hurr durr, what's a whodunnit once you strip away the mystery?
> hurr durr, what's a war film once you strip away the war
I know you think you've got a brilliant argument on your hands, but this is how all fiction works.
Anonymous No.150205699 >>150208351
>>150205482
You conceded here -- > >>150204448
Anonymous No.150205719 >>150208341
>>150204336
I hear you. Can you tell me about something you like? I'm not trying to trap you into listing something I can shit on. I just think talking about things we actually fucking enjoy is more productive and gives other anons things to check out.
Anonymous No.150205735
>>150204446
see
>>150198391
and
>>150205663
Anonymous No.150205762
>>150204508
is there at least a synopsis available?
Digital versions exist. I'm almost positive they would have been sent out to backers, but people are supporting the creator by not posting them.
Anonymous No.150205803 >>150205898
>>150204602
>after they blew up Annville
yeah, the first season they were finding their footing. I saw the blowing up of Annville almost as a great reset. They wrote themselves into a few corners character-wise, but were able to essentially reboot from scratch after that.
Anonymous No.150205826
>>150204613
OHHHHH, you're the moral-fag from tv. That makes sense. Your arbitrary argument was that the MOST important thing about a western is the moral.
Anonymous No.150205848
>>150204641
and Pirate stuff is extremely historically inaccurate. I know that's stupid to say when it comes to films, but it's especially egregious in pirate films.
Anonymous No.150205879
>>150204830
I haven't read it yet. It's in my queue. I'm sad to hear that you're underwhelmed. On paper it seemed like it would be right up my alley.
Anonymous No.150205898 >>150205990
>>150205803
That's what I heard but I'm not gonna waste my time with a show that spends an entire season wasting time only to throw it mostly away and say "now we're actually going to give you what you want!" because that's stupid.
Anonymous No.150205913
>>150202495
>>150205663
I think anon has a glib understanding of the phrase "story about people" in that it's literally a story that involves people. It's probably better to phrase it as "story about human condition" or "story about humanity" or "story about culture", or "story about relationships between people".
Anonymous No.150205924
>>150192503
Hot!
Anonymous No.150205990 >>150206034
>>150205898
That's fine. When it comes to comic adaptations, I think execs tend to pull in two different directions. Some want to adapt the story for people who actually liked the original story, and some want to try to use it to rope in non-fans. Riverdale was popular around the same time and that had virtually NOTHING to do with Archie. I think some dickhead was pulling strings for the first season trying to go more that route, and when they realized it was stupid, the show course-corrected. I don't actually know what happened, how, or why, but in my imagined and completely fabricated scenario, the person who pushed for the direction in season 1 was fired, and a real nerd was brought on board to oversee the rest of the show.
Anonymous No.150206034
>>150205990
fwiw, they did the same thing with shows like Mad Men. They realized the show had actual legs, they cut out the parts that were dumb, and essentially restarted the show from scratch.
Anonymous No.150206663
>>150176978 (OP)
BIG IRON... BIG IRON..
Anonymous No.150206908
>>150197377
That game was amazing. It inspired my own writings.
Same with Red Dead Revolver but this isn't a /v/ thread.
Anonymous No.150207017 >>150207229 >>150209190
>>150176978 (OP)
I despise DC for Jonah's treatment and the rest of their Western lines, however, they really they just need an autist for their Western IPs like Truman/Lansdale or Palmiotti to keep their line from being dead in the water, cuz they seem sorta fine with publishing the character oddly
Anonymous No.150207229 >>150207442
>>150207017
How about Chuck Dixon?
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Anonymous No.150207442
>>150207229
This reminded me of something completely off topic but this Youtuber who makes sports videos with vidya games, running his own teams and shit is doing a MLB series and fucking changed the names of two players on the team Mason Dixon and Jeff Davis cause muh Confederacy made his fans sperg out. I fucking hate these people.
Anonymous No.150207762 >>150208224 >>150208240 >>150208257 >>150209426 >>150209520
I'm curious why there isn't more stories about native Americans. Especially now that media is supposed to be "inclusive". If anything it seems like they are trying to remove any trace of them from the mainstream. For example changing the name of the Cleveland Indians and Washington Redskins. I tried watching Dark Winds but didn't find it very interesting. A western with emphasis on Native Americans sounds entertaining to me. Would be interested to hear other anons take on this. Also any recs would be appreciated.
Anonymous No.150208224 >>150208240 >>150208963
>>150207762
The more cavalier depictions of them in pop culture are getting scrubbed, which I think is a mistake since it has a chilling effect that causes people to see Native Americans as a risky topic in general. Still, recent media have made a decent effort at keeping Native Americans somewhat relevant. Dark Winds was good for what it was. One of the recent Predator movies used a Native American setting with NA actors. The Expanse had a Canadian native in a major role iirc.
Anonymous No.150208240 >>150208369
>>150207762
>>150208224
As a le evil White person, there is only one group in the US I like that isn't my own. The feather injuns.
Anonymous No.150208257 >>150208963
>>150207762
A big part of it is that native culture is just so diluted at this point it's getting harder and harder to do anything with it. Like there's only a handful of mostly native blood actors out there.
Anonymous No.150208341
>>150205719
I enjoyed the recent mature take on Lucky Luke; only two volumes released so far
Anonymous No.150208351
>>150205699
Elaborate.
Anonymous No.150208369 >>150208963
>>150208240
Maybe those 'the libs are the real racists' people have a point
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Anonymous No.150208963 >>150209211 >>150209223 >>150209338 >>150209353 >>150209519
>>150208224
>The more cavalier depictions of them in pop culture are getting scrubbed
It's sad to see especially because I doubt native Americans are the ones offended by these depictions. Maybe I'll give dark winds another chance. I didn't get very deep into it.
>>150208257
This is a valid point but I'd imagine if there was more demand for Native American roles more would become actors.
>>150208369
>Maybe those 'the libs are the real racists' people have a point
I genuinely believe this to be the case. They think they're not racist because they have a black lives matter sign on their lawn but would call the police if they spotted a black person in their neighborhood.
/Lit/ recommended me Empire of the summer moon. I really enjoyed it. It depicts both the Native Americans and colonizers commiting atrocities. It seems fit for a film adaptation but the masses tend to not like stories without a clear these are the good guys and these are the bad guys.
Anonymous No.150209190
>>150207017
>I despise DC for Jonah's treatment
What does this even mean?

>and the rest of their Western lines
They don’t have western line of comics because western comics don’t sell. They would lose money on it.

>they really they just need an autist for their Western IPs like Truman/Lansdale or Palmiotti to keep their line from being dead in the water

Yeah I’m sure magically Hex and co. would become top sellers if you just muh guy in charge. Because that’s how niche genre comics become super popular overnight. Because despite Hex written by Palmiotti before already didn’t do particularly well this time it would totally be different, bro.

>cuz they seem sorta fine with publishing the character oddly
They have never had a problem publishing Hex. The character simply doesn’t sell well.
Anonymous No.150209211
>>150208963
My favorite thing is when they see the Warhammer 40k Orks and see black people but then tell me I'm racist (I am but its still funny)
Anonymous No.150209223
>>150208963
>It depicts both the Native Americans and colonizers commiting atrocities.
Yeah. I will acknowledge the actions of the injuns and european settlers.
I have said for a while there should only be two colors in the US.
White and Red.
Anonymous No.150209338
>>150208963
>they have a black lives matter sign on their lawn but would call the police if they spotted a black person in their neighborhood
odd strawman argument to pull out of nowhere.

It's too bad that Outer Range was cancelled. There was a native american lead character with a really cool side plot where she gets sent back in time. Lily Gladstone has been in a handful of films since Killers of the Flower Moon. Hopefully we'll start to see more demand for native american actors.
Anonymous No.150209353
>>150208963
>but would call the police if they spotted a black person in their neighborhood.
Uhhhhh. Based
Anonymous No.150209420
What's the closest thing to a Western Adventure book. Basically, just friends dicking around, maybe a story kicking in at some point.
Anonymous No.150209426
>>150207762
>I'm curious why there isn't more stories about native Americans.

Because media hasn’t done a particularly good job of depicting them correctly in the past. It takes a lot of effort & research to get it right. In comparison writing white cowboys is easy.

In terms of movies/TV it’s basically mix of racism and bias and economics, ie studios going durrrrrr we can’t make that because it would not make money, we need a white leads because nobody wants to watch no name injuns, etc.

>Especially now that media is supposed to be "inclusive".

They are being more inclusive now. That doesn’t automatically mean that there is a major push by studios to make tons of diverse projects just for the sake of diversity. The only reason Chief of War exists is because a) Jason Momoa is a big name and b) Momoa personally created the show, c) Apple is rich enough company that it can just make an expensive TV shows like that for its own streaming service, d) Apple already had a positive working relationship with Momoa due to him making three seasons of See.

>If anything it seems like they are trying to remove any trace of them from the mainstream.

And that’s why they didn’t do show like Reservations Dogs or movie like Prey, right? Oh wait!

>For example changing the name of the Cleveland Indians and Washington Redskins.

Cultural appropriation and racist names for sports teams that have no ties or links to indigenous populations isn’t erasure of any kind. It’s also pretty dumb to claim that it’s bad to change things that have a clear racist backgrounds and history because “but it’s old, you can’t change it now!” With that logic you should keep venerating confederacy because muh tradition even though a vast majority of the buildings and statues dedicated to confederate soldiers were specifically built to whitewash history by efforts of their descendants as white suprematist propaganda project during the Jim Crow and Civil Rights movement era.
Anonymous No.150209519 >>150209786
>>150208963
>It's sad to see especially because I doubt native Americans are the ones offended by these depictions.

And why do you doubt that exactly? Because you don’t particularly care about it yourself that other people’s culture and history is depicted incorrectly and historically speaking that has been the way media has mostly done it for over a century at this point? Native Americans activists have spent ages being critical of how their people have been depicted and how badly Hollywood has represented them, everything from their ceremonial head dresses being used wrongly to mixing up tribes with another as if they’re all alike, how everything keeps largely being told form white revisionist perspectives without showing all the injustices and breaking of treaties the white colonisers did, etc.

>It seems fit for a film adaptation but the masses tend to not like stories without a clear these are the good guys and these are the bad guys.

And this makes libs the “real racists”? Give me a break. The main reason it doesn’t have an movie adaptation is simply because nobody makes westerns anymore. Period shit is expensive and you don’t get projects like that made unless you’re a star. Look at Kevin Costner’s Horizon, he had to leverage his career resurgence AND spend millions of his own money to get it made. And it still flopped at the box office. And that movie literally starts with a white settlement being destroyed by natives so this idea that you can’t make anybody but whites bad guys isn’t true.
Anonymous No.150209520
>>150207762
Kresse's Indians is from the 70s, Derib started publishing during the 70s and released Buddy Longway/Yakari/Way of the Shaman/Red Road well into the 90s. Mitton put out Quetzalcoatl at some point, Baranko released Shamanism somewhat recently. There also was L'Esprit de Warren, which is about an indian boy serial killer who's convinced he's the reincarnation of a dead cult leader.
Anonymous No.150209763
>>150177021
>White straight man who fought for the Confederacy

i.e. the only ones who can rescue pregnant Anne Frank
Anonymous No.150209786 >>150210237 >>150210247
>>150209519
>The main reason it doesn’t have an movie adaptation is simply because nobody makes westerns anymore.
That one guy shot his crew while making one, though I heard that the Quentine Tarantino one was pretty good.
Anonymous No.150210237
>>150209786
You talking about Django Unchained or the Hateful Eight? Both are okay, though I don't think I'd prefer to watch either over one of the better spaghetti westerns.
Anonymous No.150210247 >>150210563
>>150209786
Rust was the film that Alec Baldwin shot the cinematographer on.
Kind of fucked up that he didn't even stand trial. That's some Hollywood fixer bullshit.
Anonymous No.150210304
>>150198407
How does it compare to the movie?
Anonymous No.150210563 >>150210771
>>150210247
>Kind of fucked up that he didn't even stand trial.

He did stand trial. The case was just dismissed couple of days after the trial started because it turned out that the prosecution had withheld evidence from the defence. And that ruling was later upheld.
Anonymous No.150210771 >>150210953
>>150210563
I am my cinematographer's murderer, yet technically I did not kill him.

*Alec Baldwin's knees no longer hurt*
Anonymous No.150210953 >>150210984
>>150210771
*her
He shot a woman. While rehearsing for a scene. Because for some reason he needed to point the gun at a person and pull the trigger to rehearse.
Anonymous No.150210984 >>150211053
>>150210953
Practical acting, you would not understand.
Anonymous No.150211028 >>150211074
>>150205663
I was not being sarcastic. One of the criticisms of Asimov are that the characters in his stories are mostly just flat archetypes with no depth that serve to move the plot forwards, and some other short stories that are so devoid of both characters and plot they're sometimes just called thought experiments, bordering on being long-winded descriptions of a thing.

>>150203067
Yeah, but stories about animals are so anthropomorphized that they're basically just people that aren't physically people.
Anonymous No.150211053
>>150210984
I have been on set for my fucking job and know what typical protocol is.
I watched hours of footage from the trials.
YOU would not understand.
Anonymous No.150211074 >>150211105
>>150211028
> brings up random shit
make a point and do it directly.
Anonymous No.150211105
>>150211074
There was no point. I am very tired.
Anonymous No.150212261
>>150182439
Yeah, All star western is its own thing.
Anonymous No.150213451 >>150215378
>>150176978 (OP)
What kind of Cowboys and what kind of Indians?
Anonymous No.150213817 >>150214453
Inb4 Absolute Jonah Hex
Anonymous No.150214453
>>150213817
That would be interesting.
Anonymous No.150214928 >>150217146
We had a great run.
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Anonymous No.150215378
>>150213451
White men and women, feather injuns
Anonymous No.150216587
>>150176978 (OP)
I really wanted to read Alan Moore and Glenn Fabry's Western comic. It would have probably been influenced by Cormac McCarthy.
Anonymous No.150216673
>150181760
I'm ashamed to admit that I only learned of this when I heard about its film adaptation being turned into an ode to psychedelics.
Anonymous No.150217146
>>150214928
Shit run, palmiotti made Jonah ashamed to be a former reb soldier
Anonymous No.150217232
>>150188975
>>150192287
Hiawatha won't thank you for defending him

Probably because he's too shitfaced to use a computer
Anonymous No.150217334
I am more Native American than Elizabeth Warren, though I'd never claim myself as such outside of that.