Thread 150185509

Too many villains are safe evil these days.

Sounds reasonable to me. I'm a racist who strongly believes in removing non Whites from my country, but I don't care if someone is LGBT. As long as they're White, they can stay.

>>150185509 (OP)
this is a symptom of trying to make it okay to redeem villains.

>>150185640
Anyone can be redeemed, seek Christ.

the bad guys in real life are also against those things though

>>150185646
There are those who do not want to be redeemed, and will use people's naivety/innocence to manipulate.

We need more rape in cartoons

>>150185683
unironically this, if rape isn't worse than murder then how come many are afraid to even mention it?

>>150185666
Nice trips satan, opinion discarded. Seek Christ.

>>150185509 (OP)
>bad people support sodomy and white genocide
sounds accurate

>>150185533
/thread

Safe-evil is only acceptable when the story is both told from the villain's pov and light-hearted in tone, so you need to close the moral distance between them and the audience to keep things from being too dower an affair.

>>150185792
Actually pic-rel is probably a better example than what I posted, and it's more /co/ relevant.

>>150185509 (OP)
fact

>>150185533
>I don't care if someone is LGBT
Then you are a capitulator.

zoomers are so unfunny.

>>150185854
Nope. I'm pro White unity. I will take a White LGBT person over a straight non White any day.

>>150185889
>i don't want non whites in my country
>but i'm totally fine with mentally ill sodomites as long as they're white
you're either retarded or a baiting jew

>>150185940
Nope. I'd say trying to sow division among Whites along the lines of gender and sexuality is more in line with jewish behavior than promoting White unity.

>>150185509 (OP)
It's like a corporation, you can't call Amanda the obvious tranny a he/him fag but you also didn't reach your KPI this year and you are being put on the Low Performer line where you are at risk of getting fired and not finding another job before you get into serious debt. Safe evil is basically modern corporate.

>>150185509 (OP)
Examples?

>>150185533
It's not supposed to be reasonable. It's evil.

>>150185509 (OP)
Name 20 examples

>>150185533
Based

>>150185988
disney wars, the space nazis welcome women and pocs in their ranks, the sith fleet is as diverse as the star fleet in star trek
Which I am actually OK with but then don't go spewing nonsense about "b-b-b-but space nazis!!1"

>>150186084
okay theres 1 name 19 more

>>150185962
How do you face the fact that pro-lgbt are most of the time the most anti-white people around?

>>150185962
>trying to sow division among Whites along the lines of gender and sexuality
*build a distinction between healthy sexuality and degeneracy.

>>150185988
>Here are the Space Nazis I was telling you about bro

>>150185703
The actual question is, how come "rape" gets so freely mentioned in the media when it's something that still happens today and affects real living people, but "nigger" gets the Voldemort treatment when it stopped affecting people over 200 years ago?
I mean, I'm not in favor of censoring speech either way, but the way they have chosen to censor it is baseless and retarded to anybody that looks at it for half a second. Which, hey, another one. They've tried to censor retard for the same reasons but it never got to the point that "nigger" got even though there are easily more retards than blacks lol. Heck, there are more women than blacks.

>>150186100
The frieza force

>>150186207
TOKUSENTAI

>>150186207
that's 2 so far

>>150185509 (OP)
Yeah. 'Villains' these days put me to sleep.

>>150186207
frieza is racist though

>>150186180
>>150186084
Didn't the original starwars have a black villain? I also dont recall the original empire being "racist, homophobic, etc"

If the safe villain problem is as widespread as OP claims surely there are examples other than Disney Starwars.

>>150186180
It's like a Pavlovian switch with those retards. They see cool white people in uniform and automatically go "nazi!!" and don't realize non-white people WANT to be part of the cool attractive white people in uniform too.

>>150186319
Lando was kinda shady but then had a change of heart, he was a rogue like Han Solo, not a real villain.

>I also dont recall the original empire being "racist, homophobic, etc"
I never got that impression either but do you think that stops retards from rabidly yelling "NAZI!!" when they see a stormtrooper? Ofc it doesn't, retards need to be slapped.

>>150185509 (OP)
>modern 40k

>>150185533
Evil always starts with a compromise Anon. You gotta be firm and not give an inch to corruption

>>150186472
>40k
Come on dude, pay attention

>>150186472
In fairness, it makes that the Imperium wouldn't care about someone being brown, gay or a tranny when there are xenos and mutants to contend with.

>>150185533
>let's just let child predators run wild in our country

>>150186319
>Lando
>villain
fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you

>>150186319
>I also dont recall the original empire being "racist, homophobic, etc"
ARE YOU SAYING A ROOM FULL OF CIS WHITE MALES JUST EXISTING BY THEMSELVES WITHOUT WOMEN OR POCS AROUND IS NOT RACIST AND HOMOPHOBIC IN ITSELF?
That's literally how some people think, they hate the idea of white people existing as their own thing at any moment.

>>150186472
>Doesn't understand 40k in the slightest

>>150186611
I mean they already are, just look at Washington lmfao

>>150185640
Nah it's weak sauce protagonism. If the hero is a chump who can't even handle emotions, how are they supposed to take an enemy who can in fact muster an ethos and position?

>>150186637
those people are disgusting and evil and hate white people and deserve bad things happen to them

>>150185663
Then where are the mass protests against anti white racism or anti male hate? Exactly those in power aren’t any less racist or sexist or i guess sexualphobic than anyone else it’s just who it’s aimed at and who’s doing the aiming has changed

>>150186142
Can you actually define 'degeneracy' or is it just 'things that give me the ick'

>>150185509 (OP)
Needs fat tits

>>150187061
Where is the anti-white and anti-male hate? What specifically should be protested?

>>150186381
They were definitely speciesist in the EU at least. I think George just didn't want the films to get bogged down in really specific political commentary, even if the factions were inspired by real events (as is always the case, because humans aren't raised in windowless sterile cubes)

What a fucking stupid thread

>>150187117
I don’t think it should be protested you fucking retard. But if they protest the very small animosity brown people actually face then to be equal they’d be doing it non stop with how much hatred there is for white people in the world. It’s insane you actually think anti white hate isn’t a thing are you legitimately retarded. You actually think mass numbers of people don’t hate white people? You’re a disingenuous liar.

>>150185509 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0NgUhEs1R4

>>150187429
No, I want to know what you think is enough to protest. All sorts of hate exists, anti-white and male included, but where is it happening at a strong enough to protest? What would a protest look like? What protests are you comparing it to?

Reminder

>>150187792
It's also good to keep in mind that the "opinion discarded" heat map meme is just about people's extent of caring about right or wrong done to people and things. Evil people would more often have a smaller circle since they don't care about bad things happening outside the things they care about.

>it's evil to care about your family?
It's like how Mr. Freeze loves his wife, but it's understandable to lable someone who would kill countless innocents to save one person they happen to love is evil. I know it's mostly mundane things happening in the real world, but we can reduce it to our thoughts on nepotism; we see it as bad.

>>150187792
>>150188021
>we're smart and good!
>you're evil and stupid!
And we say the same thing. The difference is we're right.

>>150186611
But enough about politicians and catholic priests

>>150186611
But enough about female school teachers

>>150185533
>I'm a racist who strongly believes in removing non Whites from my country
Okay, that's--
>I don't care if someone is LGBT. As long as they're White, they can stay.
Bullshit, you're a faker and a faggot.

>>150185533
>child groomers and rapists are okay as long as they're not black

>>150187792
I'm sure the people who conducted that study have no agenda.

You niggers are just upset you can't use a fictitious character as a smokescreen for your power level. Cowards.

>>150186029
Lawful Evil can have some 'good' qualities. It's not always about being cartoonishly evil, especially with an empire that would imply some form of structure

>>150185509 (OP)
If you do make the villains blatantly racist, homophobic or transphobic you'll just see people bitch and moan about how preachy the show is and how the writers are injecting politics into everything. You can't fucking win

>>150186180
It’s a bit different in a galaxy full of literal aliens. The Empire was (originally, don’t know what it’s like now) human supremacist, not racial. Thrawn was an exception who was made an honorary aryan because he was a tactical genius.

>>150188331
That's because those are white crimes.

>>150185533
If you were really a White Nationalist, then you would not tolerate White faggots not having straight sex(and not making more White people), and you would hate trannies for castrating themselves.

>>150185509 (OP)
I don't want another story that's the nazis again. Let's go back to techno orientalism. I want a scifi story set in the future with aliens and the moral is just "Living in China fucking sucks".

Most molestation cases are at the hands of a family member.

>>150188761
And if a black person commits those crimes, are they a traitor to their own race?

>>150185509 (OP)
You faggots cannot even handle that, There are miga retards still seething at wolfenstein

>only example of this supposed epidemic is still just Disney Starwars

So this is just a gripe thread about nonsense it seems. Grown men attacking a strawman because of one show that is aimed at children.

>>150185509 (OP)
Its supremely retarded when even the eldritch villains don't dare to say the naughty words.
>i may be the will of the universe but i won't disrespect your pronouns

>>150185509 (OP)
The Animal Kingdom Pirates are seen doing slavery a bunch, though.

>>150185509 (OP)
We do have villains the problem is that they either are NEVER punished for being shitty like in awful movies like Encanto and Raya OR they are the main protagonists like American Dad or Helluva Boss.

Sincerely wonder what's going to happen in future. I dare the shitty creators and writers to behave like how their characters do and lets see if strangers will tolerate you treating them badly. Holy fuck I would laugh if I heard the creator of Rick and Morty or James Gunn being killed in real life for being crappy pedophiles. Shut up they ARE shitty pedophiles.

>>150185640
No. It's the sign you're looking at a sanithized and corporate approved content that exist to sell toys to children.

>>150185533
You're thinking small I want to kill Jews, not deport them but KILL them for the damage they have done to white nations.

>>150188761
So blacks stole those from us as well

Par for the course I guess

>>150185509 (OP)
>safe x

Och laddie, jus' say "nae true Scotsman puts sugar in 'is porridge" an' be done with it!

>>150185509 (OP)
I would do that too if I wanted to make something for the public
>evil character says or does something despicable
>retarded public attacks the author because what any characters says or does is an endorsement
people are literal zombies

>>150185640
The funny thing is that redemption is bullshit. So what if you got a criminal doing time in prison paying society back, when they get out many decades later the they still will not be forgiven if they encounter anyone related to their victims. According to society the debt is paid but the victims will always hate the criminal. And same to non related members of the community they will indeed simply hate them wholesale for being a crook.

Humans work like this.

>>150185683
We need WOMEN being raped and it must be done by men who women find unattractive and the rapists MUST get away with it. Quagmire is merely one example.

>>150189226
>He wants to appeal to the China market
/co/ is where all the late 2010's moviemakers hid after they lost their jobs, this explains so much

>>150185746
Simply say Jews. I wonder what the future has in store for Jewry because I don't see hatred for Jews disappearing. If anything hatred for the Jew will increase. I hope it goes global and Jews are hunted and killed until their religion are extinct.

The same way Neanderthals don't exist anymore I want Jews to be dead like that.

>>150189961
a convicted rapist or pedo or murderer is more valuable to society than a NEET simply because a criminal turns the wheels of the machine and people subconsciously love that
I bet if you asked a normie if they had to choose to gas one between a NEET and someone who just got out of jail for rape they'd pick the NEET cause the rapist deserves another shot
and that's because they know the rapist is useful because thanks to rapist the law can be put to work, women can exercise their rights, blah blah. What happens thanks to NEETs? nothing. So they will always irrationally rather want to kill the NEET. the ultimate sin isn't rape or murder but refusing to participate to society. ironic since this was a trait of saints in the past but now it's the most unholy thing in the world

>>150185509 (OP)
The only thing more retarded than this is "You said you like [evil character]?? Well, CLEARLY that means you endorse everything they do."

>captcha: XGAAY
lol

>>150185863
Gen Alpha will be worse since they are raised by Loser Millennial Losers. Yes I needed to say loser twice. Millennials are a LOSER generation and their shitty offspring will be...shit.

>>150186084
Speaking of Star Wars, its nonsense that the Empire lost. The rebels are bunch of male feminist diverse faggots while the empire is a united race with more advanced weapons as well. And the winning tactic for the heroes is Luke gambling that his father randomly loves him enough to fight off the emperor for him? Bad writing. Even with the emperor dead the millions of soldiers could continue to fight and kill off a bunch of lesser rebels. They losing to teddy bear indians is simply shit. Star Wars is shit.

>>150190099
>"It's not le realistic!"
You reddit midwits really are boring people. I bet you also tell people that stuff wouldn't actually explode in space like it does in star wars.

>>150186868
The best thing about the hatred aimed at white men is that white men are learning the most important lesson on this Earth its okay to HATE right back and kill the other races. The only reason America lost Vietnam is because they didn't kill those shitty Asians wholesale. The solution is never nonsense the solution is genocide those who aren't your race. Especially Jews.

Because pure black, Chaotic Evil morality has no endgoal; it's just shock factor and contrarianism that falls apart the moment you think about it.

>>150190142
>white men are learning the most important lesson on this Earth its okay to HATE right back and kill the other races
and where is this happening? cause when a niggo rapemurders a 13 year old in the street the first thing white people say is please let's not be racist nigongo here is just a bad apple let's not harass the black people please please nigongo good boy you dindu nothing

>>150186319
>>150186084
Because despite what people pretend, the Empire in the OT just used nazi imagery for generic scary army, the political commentary was American Imperialism, and there was never a plan to really go in depth on their government or ideology since we watched them blow up a planet.
Now that Star Wars is this big sprawling universe with so much canon, the Empire aren't allowed to be so vaguely defined since it inherently requires seeing what life under them is like.
Meanwhile, here's something interesting, have you noticed that most of what we'd consider ethnostates in the modern day and what we'd consider diverse countries tend to line-up with the extent of imperialism a given nation did? Because imperialism is terrible if you're going for the kind of state that Hitler wanted. Even Japan gained a korean populace because of their own imperial interests because that's what happens when you empire, you have to intermingle with the people you colonized for economic interests which means bringing some of them over to the mainland to optimize supply chains across linguistic barriers among other things. Ethnocentrism plays a role in helping to destroy empires by starting internal conflicts amid racial tensions. If the Empire promoted anything around racial purity like the nazis did, they'd shoot themselves in the foot like the nazis did and expedite their own downfall like the nazis did.

>>150186281
only against monkeys (entirely justifiable, literally nobody liked saiyans for being a bunch of ooga booga savages)

>>150187792
>>150188378
Frankly I'm more curious about the metric for intelligence. IQ? Education? Grade records? Tests? Did they have participants do some kind of applied problem-solving puzzle?
I could see right wing views being sort of something people would turn to for comfort because a lot of them hinge on the idea of a morally just world like promotions and financial status being predominantly based around work ethic rather than networking.

>>150185509 (OP)
Give specific examples of safe evil in comics so we know what the fuck you're talking about. Like are Judge Dredd and Miracleman safe evil?

>>150185792
>>150186084
>>150186207
>>150186472
This is the comics board. Talk about comics. The latest smooth-brained social media "discourse" for non-reading plebs belongs on x.com not /co/.

>>150185509 (OP)
It's already bad enough it happens in reality too.
Gigglygoonclown for instance (yes, the fucker is still around)

>>150185509 (OP)
What would be unsafe evil? South park humor on top of genocide?

>>150185666
based trips. here's a science vampire post to contriboot

>>150190963
>genocidal emperor-fuhrer of murder darkness who eats live kittens is beloved by the public
>he slaps the female officer
>I KNEW IT. WOMEN ARE WORTHLESS.
now that is problematic

>>150190631
I immediately followed up with a cartoon to correct my post. >>150185811

But especially shartyniggers like >>150188503

>>150185509 (OP)
It's funny to see the pendulum swing like this because when I was growing up bigots would get really upset if you villainize them.

>>150185646
Anyone can be redeemed, but that's between them and God. As a human man, I can't know the status of someone's soul but that doesn't mean I need to stand around and tolerate evil constantly.

>>150185533
Fuck that you can be gay, you can be - lesbian you can even be bisexual. But you will never be a man if you’re a woman and you’ll never be a woman if you’re a man. Cut off the T like they cut off the peepee.

>>150185509 (OP)
You morons keep creating strawmen to be mad at.

>>150191872
guess what I'm just gonna create more

>>150190963
>What would be unsafe evil?

Some Star Wars nerds got mad when it seemed a woman was raped by an Imperial in Andor.

I think this whole Safe Evil controversy is bullshit, and I do not want to know what it's about, but I'm assuming it's related to that.

>>150186319
>>150186637
You low IQ tards, they're discriminating against the non-humans.

>>150185509 (OP)
Only if it makes sense for the villain(s)'s motives. Like I don't want no wishy washy moral high ground coming from some guy who eats babies for every meal. If they support fags, it should actually make sense.

>>150191872
You don't read comics.

>>150190023
My autism spilled out and I said the Nazis were the perfect villain costume with their skulls and shit and someone thought I was saying I endorse them.

>>150192053
How did that happen

>>150186611
But enough about the Epstein disciple israel bootlicker in the White House

>>150191872
I know it refers to the fallacy but whenever someone specifically says "create strawmen to be mad at" i imagine an actual strawman and some dude in a corn field saying fuck that guy.

>see jewtube video of this exact topic with the same verbatim wording
>pay it no other mind
>less than an hour later see a thread has been made of it
I say this as a youtube video essay enjoyer: get a fucking life

>>150185533
I thought this way. Then we saw what they do with the freedom they are given. Straight back into the closet.

>>150187110
Things which are hateful in the sight of God. And not cuckolded rainbow Jesus, but real Old Testament fire and damnation God.

/POL/FAGGOTS BFTO NOW

>>150185509 (OP)
>we may be a slaving fascist empire but we draw the line at homophobia, misogyny, racism

This is literally just America

>>150185509 (OP)
If more villains were blatantly racist, homophobic, etc you faggots would literally just be complaining that they're a strawman of conservative politics. None of you can ever decide what you actually want; you're just perpetually mad at nothing.

>>150193654
"God"? You mean YHWH? God of the Jews? Why should I, a White man, give a flying fuck what pisses off a jew god? The Old Testament? you mean the Tanakh? How about when Moses tells his followers to kidnap and rape young virgin girls? Hm? Yeah that's where you're basing your morality?

>>150189514
Why would they lower themselves to human bigotry? If anything they'd have slurs for you being a three dimensional being.

>>150189006
I'd rather strong white people have straight sex and make strong babies. If anything, having the average fat guy or shut in reproducing would be counter productive.

Remember when Deathstroke got really sad that a bunch of fags were shot in a nightclub?

>>150186319
Lando isn't really a villain though

>>150194083
Please stop worshiping Woden and at least be a cool pagan and worship the Greco-Roman pantheon.

>>150185533
t. Ernst Röhm's ghost

>>150190963
Think of it like this:
>space dictator, main villain of space movie, conqueror of worlds and destroyer of nations, ate a guy once
gayspacemoviefan: omg space dictator is so silly!! lol remember when he ate that guy, literally me #rabies #letgirlshavefun
spacedictators-wife-irl: i ship myself with space dictator uwu here's a picture of him with a flower crown on
>space dictator, main villain of space movie, conqueror of worlds and destroyer of nations, ate a guy once, child predator
generic_rando: space dictator is the best villain in space movie. he's so imposing and genuinely scary at times, and that fight scene where he cut a plane in half was badass
gayspacemoviefan: CALLOUT POST ON GENERIC_RANDO. DO NOT INTERACT WITH THIS USER, THEY THINK PEDOPHILIA IS OK

>>150191903
It started because of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cv659HLRUg

>>150188331
Majority of America voted one into power so yeah

>>150189467
Stfu

>>150185509 (OP)
That's just realistic since your picture is literally just the contemporary US.

>>150191903
I mean I think what baffles me about all this and especially what >>150195403
said is that it ignores words.
Freddy Krueger. Even when they had to cut out the detail he raped the kids due to a recent viral news story, the original movie still made it very clear that yes, Freddy was a pedophile, and before you say "current year", the 2011 remake went even harder on that part of him and explicitly confirmed the pre-kill molestations that were only implied in the original movie.
Does this rule only apply when the medium is comic books or escapist films like Star Wars because it feels less like an actual set rule around what a villain can or can't do and more like an audience of oversensitive stunted morons prone to crying about shit on Twitter.
Hell, have you noticed that despite everything, Deathstroke is still one of DCs most popular villains no matter how much social media whines, or that no one took the guy bitching about Andor seriously? Almost like it's all manufactured outrage built on social media signal boosting.

>>150191924
You mean like jews discriminate against palestinians? quit it with the antisemitic remarks bro

>>150195923
All goyim are nonhuman.

>>150185509 (OP)
That's basic propaganda 101.

>"See? Even the bad guys are simps and gay."

Wow, that's some real freedom of thought and expression right there when literally everyone in fiction believes the same thing. Real Western values in action. It's rather difficult to escape into a World when it is no different from an HR meeting.

>>150194046
to be fair, that's not what happened to the boys

"Safe Villains" and "Safe Heroes" are a sign a society is living in a dystopia. No wiggle room for nuance or free thought or debate, just pure totalitarian and tyrannical control of thought. Moral-fags in both extremes of left and right are pure cancer.

That's what happens when Colleges produce anti-West students. All of them have been trained to be a subversive entity to destabalize our cultural values. Our villains are heroes and our heroes are impotent and our morals are undefined. That's just the way our "entertainment" is now, it has become pure Communist, self-destructive slop.

>>150185509 (OP)
>Too many villains are safe evil these days.
Name 3

>>150196674
Stfu mongrel