Thread 150251849

Disney has fired and blacklisted an artist for using generative AI as part of their process

>>150251849 (OP)
>Mulligan
>Gets discarded for being useless
Pottery.

>use AI to make you a picture
>trace it and color it yourself
Would anyone find out the truth if you took those couple of steps?

>>150251849 (OP)
It would be an interesting twist to see a story where the megacorp works with the proletariat against a machine taking over, even if it was mostly to retain their monopoly.

>>150251849 (OP)
Good. Fuck AI fags. I’m glad to see some backlash. We don’t need to cheapen our lives any more than they already are by flooding the world with “gens”.

>>150251849 (OP)
>a part of their process
>when the entire image is AI
>the only thing not AI is the clockface numbers, which were manually drawn in
Deserved.

>>150251898
they'll still support AI and screw others over, they just want to put the rules in place where regular people can't screw them as well

>>150251849 (OP)
Extremly rare Disney corpo W

>>150251944
The Animal Farm two step, a classic.

>>150251898
>artist
>proletariat
lmao

>>150251862
How much do you want to bet that's just a pen name he made up for this purpose? Especially since he knew he could get in shit for using AI.

>>150251878
Some people are already doing it, but if you don't know how to draw you're going to get caught. AI makes a lot of mistakes that are not really perceptual and a good artist would actually fix before ever presenting a finished product if they were starting from AI and tracing it, but if someone is using AI to compensate for a lack of ability or because they're lazy they are probably not going to bother tracing in the first place, or they will trace and copy all of the mistakes in the AI.

There is a use for AI as part of the creative process but that's not what the "ai bros" are interested in. To them, the AI is the creative process, and the things they generate are the final product. For actual artists who are using AI, it's basically just a high tech addition to their mood boards.

>>150251898
100% the megacorp is mad because if it can produce disney looking end product, that means disney material has been poured into the model

>>150251997
If the end result is that corporations deadlock themselves out of generating AI slop, and the cost is that individual people can't sell AI slop either, then that's a win all around. You can't sell a photo collage using other people's photos if you don't own them, either. The guy who made that Obama Hope poster got sued and lost because he used someone else's photo of Barack Obama and didn't obtain the rights first.

I use some royalty free stock photography in my artwork for certain elements that would be too labor intensive to draw for the deadline I have (like an explosion for example), but it's either an open license image or one that I paid for from a reseller like Getty or iStock. And if it's a project I'm doing for a client, I always clear it with them first.

The reason this approach works with stock photography and isn't going to work with AI is because with AI, there's almost never a chain of legal custody over who owns the original image set that the AI is trained on, and if the person using it is ever required ot legally prove that they have the rights to use the image set, it could become a arduous legal case that might even require the person to prove in court that they can re-produce the AI gen without a data set containing no copywrite infringing images, and I don't think I need to explain how many hours of time in court that would mean. With a royalty free stock image all you have to do is provide the receipts that you paid for it, so they're really two completely different animals.

>>150252051
>they're really two completely different animals
Well yeah.
This one's a rabbit.

>>150251915
This. He didn't do it right.
>>150251878
If you genned an image, and traced it, then the resulting traced image is 100% not ai and you would not get caught.

>>150251878
>Would anyone find out the truth if you took those couple of steps?
For a lot of these professional artists that get caught using AI the issue is they ran up against a deadline, got sloppy and tried to pass straight AI off without the usual steps to hide it. I just watched it happen last week at dragoncon with an artist that has a portfolio thats 85% hand painted

>>150251849 (OP)
Did Disney publicly blacklist him by name or was it shared by the artist

>>150251961
lol

>>150251849 (OP)
BLA BLA BLA
FIRE TOM BREVOORT OR STFU.

>>150251990
>but if you don't know how to draw you're going to get caught.
You're dumb as shit, you only know about the ones who get caught because they were caught. Everyone, even the biggest AI haters, uses it.

I like how AIjeets will make the most bullshit claims from their ass in a poor attempt to save their bubble economy
No actual sorces, just "lol trust me br0"

>>150252497
Tons of people are using AI but the question is, for what? In the conceptual and drafting stages, yes, it's going to be imperceptible. For the final pass though? The further into the background you look the more obvious it's going to be that you're looking at AI because it's being created by random shapes, not anything resembling a brush that you can use in Photoshop. In that Lorcana card, for example, look at the background. It looks like a bunch of colorful cancer tumors. A real artist doesn't draw like that, and a lazy hack who's overwhelmed by the power of AI is just going to leave it as is because they're not looking for mistakes that need to be fixed, they're just blown away by the fact that they got something resembling a "finished" art piece without having to draw it. He probably fixed some stuff like the face on the clock, but didn't touch the background because backgrounds are something that requires a lot of work for what some people consider to be little reward, even though being able to make a beautiful background even when it's not the image focus is a huge flex in art.

>>150252480
Common Tom L

>>150251990
>For actual artists who are using AI, it's basically just a high tech addition to their mood boards.
Yeah this is how I use it

>>150251878
Yes, mainly because AI artists don't have a good understanding of art direction/intention. It's like a pianist playing a guitar/organ synth without any experience in using a guitar/organ. You can play the right notes, but it'll sound off because you aren't playing any articulation from it.

You need to have a good understanding of art in order to make your cheating believable, and even professionals get caught using it.

>>150253299
AI is shit for actual comics but for single pictures or something like a splash page it's flexible enough that if you put enough effort into tracing/editing it afterwards nobody will be able to tell the difference. Especially since you can do img2img so you go sketch-> AI image-> final product in order to avoid having overly static poses and other typical AI flaws.

>>150253299
>to make your cheating believable
And I think you're cheating to use any computers at all, there's no scientific standard of what's 'real'

>>150251990
Hot take: AI is bad, even for mood boards or concepts because of how it generates slop without context.

The most creative ideas were made by people who derived from their personal life. To remove that process would not only make it appear nonsensical or extremely generic to users, it would also stifle innovations made in art. A lot of art styles were unintentionally
>>150253434
It's easy to tell because they make weird art direction decisions.
>>150253495
I don't know why you guys get pretty defensive from people pointing out that you're putting less effort into it than other artists. I code with Python, but I am not going to say that I am just as good as C++/Assmebly programmers. I use VSTs, but I am not going to say that I am just great/skilled as a person who uses actually hardware synths. It's only AI users who don't like it much when they're criticized for taking shortcuts and not making it believable.

>>150253695
>Hot take: AI is bad

>>150253695
That's because you're a code monkey, not a programmer. A programmer would understand that the tool needs to serve the task and doesn't mindlessly worship Assembly just because it's more hardcore.

>>150253495
Drawing with a pencil on paper and drawing with a tablet are both drawing. Writing prompts is not drawing.

>>150251849 (OP)
He actually responded to the allegations:
-He hasn’t been blacklisted
-He cannot prove he didn’t use AI at this time due to legal issues
-The Lorcana employee who accused him of using AI has deleted their tweet
-He and his family has been getting threats

>>150253783
Assembly programmers have a deeper knowledge of memory management and hardware because the language requires you to know them, and those are useful skills to know about if you want to create the most efficient program. If you think that it is a meaningless tool that is pointlessly worshiped, then you're mistaken.

Either way, they are better than people who stick with Python.

>>150251849 (OP)
Okay so what's the problem?

Regardless the door does look like garbage.

>>150253885
Yeah and garbage truck drivers have a deeper understanding of how a garbage truck handles. You're missing the point (again), monkey.

>>150251987
Anon, they would know his real name, that's how employment works. I know you don't have much experience with jobs, but no one hires without knowing who works for them.

>>150253928
I think the bigger issue is the chain. Look at that first fucking link. The thickness is all over the place.

>>150253931
The only one missing the point here is yourself, hence why you have your ego hurt from pumping ai garbage that is easy for anyone to identify.

Is this the Alice in Wonderland thread?

>>150253695
>Hot take: AI is bad, even for mood boards or concepts because of how it generates slop without context.

I mean, you're not incorrect, in that if all your inspiration is coming from AI you are going to make derative looking work with no intention behind it. However, that doesn't mean there's no application for it.

>>150251961
>hired worker isn't a hired worker because I don't like them personally

>>150253495
Whether the line is physical or digital you're still in direct control of every stroke, that's not the case with AIslop.

>>150253833
Ever since ai came along everyone seems to be so neurotic about drawing like the magic skill. It's always been kind of understood that some people are not going to be good at drawing but if you want to work in and create a field you learn how to do something else a lot of the best 3D animators are not very good at drawing outside some basic stick figures to get there ideas down. Even back in the olden days what you would do with you'd find someone who could draw and you would write and you both perfect your craft and you'd make a comic book together like this is not hard stuff I don't know what happened to society to make you all crazy but you guys are all crazy now

>>150253695
>you're putting less effort into it than other artists.
Not what they're saying, they are saying you are putting -no- effort in and deserve death. Most of us who work in AI work harder than you tradfags.

>>150254998
>Most of us who work in AI work harder than you tradfags

>>150254998
>Most of us who work in AI work harder than you tradfags.

>>150254998
Why do AI addicted people cling to itself obsessively. You know we all dick around with it here and there but this kind of neurotic defense and obsession over how AI so much better and you have to be accepted because you typed in a crappy little prompt that you pulled out of chat GPT I mean really do you guys have no self-awareness. I don't get it I don't get when you spam an entire goddamn website with endless amounts of derivative boring crappy AI in a desperate attempt to get some attention, even the most pathetic worst artist who sucks at drawing will sit there and in their own little place and post it you guys run around throwing the most crappiest rendered looking like poop on a stick stuff at everywhere you can that's what gets me the most about AI people isn't the use of the AI is it the spamming can't go anywhere with you guys not spamming every goddamn corner of the internet to try to show you what. I want to look for some DaVinci artwork you know why cuz I like his work instead I get to see some crappy AI spam crap pretending to be his work and I'm sitting there saying why do you think you're going to get famous by spamming I honestly do not understand the mentality.

>>150251849 (OP)
Great. It's good that the sloppification of animation is being delayed.

>>150251912
>blueskytard melty

>>150254714
>Even back in the olden days what you would do with you'd find someone who could draw and you would write and you both perfect your craft and you'd make a comic book together like this is not hard stuff.
Writers are seen as idea guys and largely useless by drawfags. And since prompting involves writing to some extent, a lot of writerfags are falling for the Shadiversity meme that you can be an "AI artist" making use of the written word.

>>150252690
I always read AI Jeets as ALJeets for some reason.

>>150251878
I'm assuming it was more a time constraint thing than a skill issue. This guy likely had a lot of different commissions happening at once and needed a pic done in a day or two.

>>150255314
I've seen the use of AI and some book covers about it the people who try to use it for comics like the fat man you just mentioned who spends half his time complaining about how he's not getting enough views yet still does not understand the basics of sword fighting and calls himself an expert yeah I would not listen to him for anything. The guys probably going to troon in a few years after he hits rock bottom which I would say is it about a 3 months. I think a lot of these AI conversations usually consist of someone screaming at you about how AI is the future then proceeds to spam everything up with it and then tries to convince you that there's a huge demand for it because you dealing with what five or six guys just constantly spamming let alone how many Indian bots. I'm not really opposed to ai and to begin with I just hate the spamming

>>150251997
They are mad because there is a strong possibility that their new product cannot be trademarked and kept from reproduction and piracy. AI is still not totally decided in courts so this guy just made a massive liability for Disney in their new Lorcana line, which could also lead into a huge investigation into what else they might not be able to trademark and sell due to other artists using AI too. This can seriously affect their bottom line and that pisses them off more than anything else.

>>150254998
Clearly artists don't work very hard!

>>150255090
Linkedin is a goddamn mess when it comes to incredibly irritatingly smug as fuck AI bros showing off their "Skills" every single day. Half of them seem to be genuinely convinced that they are in fact the Rembrandts of our era right now and are very smug about how they are replacing the backwards luddites with lots of horse and buggy maker comparisons.

More annoying than how places like Deviantart is nothing but 100-200 copies of the same character remade in AI by some autistic asshole that cannot grasp they are flooding the place. Multiplied over how many autistic assholes are there on a given day.

So, faggots, I gen an image then trace it, also fixing problems. Fucking OWNED! Also, I destroy the gen so you can't say i genned it because it's gone.

How can you tell it's slop?

>>150251849 (OP)
good

>>150254505
Which is why you...inpaint? You fix shit up? You don't just AI and go....oh, you tards thought that's how it's supposed to go like Indians and DA tards think?

HAHAHAHA NOOOOOO NONONO.
YOU HAVE TO WORK AI, LIKE A PAINT BRUSH OR A LINE OF CODE. IT HAS ERRORS, IT ISN'T ALWAYS A STRAIGHT PERFECT LINE!

Then you art fucks or code cucks should be able to not use photoshop or c++. Those are TOOLS...MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING PHOTOSHOP ASSHOLES!

>>150251849 (OP)
Ok is Lorcana worth getting into? The Pokemon card market is absolutely fucked up thanks to scalper retards, I need a new card collecting hobby.

>>150255616
>More annoying than how places like Deviantart is nothing but 100-200 copies of the same character remade in AI by some autistic asshole that cannot grasp they are flooding the place. Multiplied over how many autistic assholes are there on a given day
Shit like this is ALL on the site admins and moderators across the board, probably some sort of gentleman's agreement to not regulate it beyond filters so they don't have to do any quality control work that an inevitable ban would force them to do

>>150254505
>Whether the line is physical or digital you're still in direct control of every stroke, that's not the case with AIslop.

You retards talk about AI and make these huge assumptions but you don't know fuck all about it. If you knew how much detail goes into it you wouldnt say half the shit you do.

>>150255950
>>150256030
calm down Rakesh

>>150255090
Idiot it's the future, you're gonna use it too just like you started using computers.

>>150251849 (OP)
>also corporations: we can't wait to use AI to reduce the number of hours we give you to do a task, LOL

Weird how Disney gives a fuck about how a 2d image is produced, considering how they're going all CG. and digital animation instead of cel stuff.

These are $1,200.00 Lorcana cards. Say something nice about them.

>>150251849 (OP)
Well deserved.

>>150256355
I would very much like to fuck Minnie while sucking off Mickey.

Lol this is gonna kill Lorcana

>>150256433
I'll allow it.

>>150256450
How? It's a single commissioned artist who they are no longer using.

More like gayI

>>150256460
The best versions of these two, amazing series all around.

>>150256760
Absolutely. The designs are a great updated version of the classic and the writing was pretty great.

>>150256263
I'm pretty sure I know more about it than you, I actually took college courses on this shit in like 2016 back before it blew up.

>>150256278
no fuck off and die sir

>>150253935
You don't know what a pen name is, do you?

>>150255272
This is for a card game, anon.

>>150256173
I love it, but you should jump into the Lorcana thread instead of trying to discuss it here, where you'll get drowning out by AI arguments.

>>150256355
Well, those are just the expensive alt art versions of them. Minnie's is great because it's like a huge improvement on the older Musketeer Minnie card she had, while Mickey's is the first to have a shift ability that's more expensive than his normal play cost while gaining a huge benefit for doing so. It might go well with some of the Big Hero 6 cards that recently came out that emphasize on shift abilities.

>>150251915
This anon gets it. There wasn't "some" AI. It was 99% AI.

>>150256450
The artist came out and said this is all bullshit

>>150251849 (OP)
>disney uses ai themselves to advertise their park on social media
>fire artist for using ai
fucking hypocrites

>>150251878
Many artists are doing this and the only reason people notice is that they increased their productivy a ton over night, but besides that, a good artist will not get caugh

>>150257160
That Minnie seems like an "i win" button against some decks, especially if you have a bodyguard. Feels like it should be more expensive

>>150251990
>if someone is using AI to compensate for a lack of ability
AI can make your ability better though

>>150258461
The problem is the opposing character has to be exerted. So you can really only use her defensively and rarely as an immediate response to what they are playing.

>>150258506
You have to have talent in the first place. Giving someone a bigger box of crayons isn't going to teach them centuries of art theory.

>>150258461
It's not *that* bad. She has to quest to do it, so you have a turn to remove her before the banishing begins, and even if she does take one of yours, she doesn't have ward or evasive or anything, so you're probably going to take her out right after that. Not that tough to stop.

>>150255431
quality post, good point

>>150253833
I would LOVE to see the "layered hand drawn files" that allow you to come up withglasses that melt in to the nose, melted backgrounds, lightsources from multiple angles, oddly shaded pupils, a third eyebrow, weirdly jointed thumb that melts in to the palm, highlights on a shaded tail, and a random out of place tuft of fur on the tail that doesn't follow the patterns of any other hair tuft.

Nah. He's fucking cooked and is bullshitting. That image is 100% AI generated and he just thinks that he can get away with it because he had a history as an artist before AI. He's a retarded boomer who can't discern flaws in AI generated content easily like "young" people can, and thinks that just because HE can't see the faults, no one else can either.

>>150251990
>>150251990
You don't have to draw to know when an AI messes up. Your logic is flawed.

>>150256992
Anon, a pen name is for the public. For an artist to be on their payroll, he’d need to submit actual verifiable ID info and likely have to fill out a w4.

>>150256450
Not really. The fact that Disney went out their way to sack and blacklist the guy is actually good PR on their end. Normies made it clear they fucking hate AI shit, so any company that stands against it only benefits from it.

>>150256778
>>150256460
> The designs are a great updated version of the classic
That’s Tara Billinger’s work who is also behind Long Gone Gulch

>>150255570
Jerry Saltz got BTFOd hard after that tweet and he back peddled so much he ended up walking clear across the country. If you actually look at the tweet you’ll see pages of him apologizing and attempting to take it back.

>>150255570
The fucking Ratatouille critic monologue was MADE for asshats like this.

>>150259202
>glasses that melt in to the nose
They don't do that at all. There just isn't anything connecting them cause that was never in the original design
>oddly shaded pupils
They don't look that bad. They're consistent with each other.
>a third eyebrow
Where? The line above his eyebrow is a wrinkle on his forehead

> weirdly jointed thumb that melts in to the palm
That could just be the way he draws it.

>highlights on a shaded tail
bad nitpick

>and a random out of place tuft of fur on the tail that doesn't follow the patterns of any other hair tuft.
ANY ARTIST COULD MAKE THAT MISTAKE

>>150251849 (OP)
>We want to use AI to fire a bunch of people and save money
>Wait. You used AI to save time and us money!? YOURE FIRED AND BLACKLISTED!

As much as a hypocrite Disney is that guy deserved it especially how he did basically nothing and didn't even bother to fix the mistakes AI made
I used AI once or twice for drawing but only as a reference and it honestly came out much worse than what I normally do

>>150251878
many AI models are fundamentally off when it comes to proportions.
I struggle to find one genned pic that doesn't make the torso way too long

>>150259717
He's commissioned, so him using AI isn't saving them time or money, he's just delivering a sub par product.

>>150251878
maybe, maybe not but for me personally coloring is often the bulk of the time spent anyway so might as well just do the lineart yourself since that's the fun part.

>>150253963
That and the face.
Unless you state an expression it always gives these shocked or staring off into space eyes.

>>150258506
It literally, objectively doesn't. We have so much fucking evidence in studies showing that using AI not only degrades cognitive abilities just by using it, it can even unlock latent mental illnesses that otherwise wouldn't have been triggered in most people. You'd have to be the most credulous shill alive or an actual moron to defend this digital cognitohazard.

>>150259667
I agree with some of your points. I wanted to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Some artists do have a style that looks a lot like some AI generations.
But apparently pic related is supposed to be Mulligan's art, too. This looks exactly like the stuff that anons keep posting on the Dall-E threads. That face looks like the Daisy and Donald generations I've seen on /co/. And what exactly is Scrooge wearing on his feet there? Are they socks instead of spats? An AI can fuck up that detail, but an artist wouldn't.
Googling for Mulligan's Disney art, the rabbit and this Scrooge don't seem to match his usual style either.

>>150259747
Then thats an extra fuck you for Disney for not hiring dedicated artists and cheaping out with commissions

>>150259667
The left glass (his right) goes behind the nose. It never goes behind Rabbit's nose. It's supposed to touch, not get covered like the right (his left) one does. You completely ignored the obviously AI generated melted backgrounds and the multiple lightsources. Saying the pupils "don't look that bad" because they're consistent is missing the point entirely. He doesn't have shaded pupils. And even if he did, again, multiple light source highlights from the top and bottom. They are obvious AI pupils. I'll give you the third eyebrow thing, if it's supposed to be a forehead wrinkle, fine, however it's far too high up vs. the source model. THe thumb thing can't be written off as "just the way he draws it", because the joint is in the wrong place to begin with, and if it were just a short thumb, the palm is fucking massive and the watch would be cutting in to half of his hand rather than him be holding it. Highlights on a shaded tail is not a bad nitpick. It's again, an inconsistency that doesn't exist with the original design and they are light caused highlights that bleed over in to the shaded part of the tail. They aren't spots (and the original never had a spotted tail) and can't be stripes because it's a fucking rabbit not a tiger. And the tuft of hair is so obvious and out of place, it's not a "mistake" you just forget to remove. It's one you can make during a rough sketch to get the idea down, sure, but when you go to line and ink the thing, you aren't going to leave in the random out of place tuft when every other single tuft on the tail folllows the same pattern and design EXCEPT that one. The tail tufts also continue unnaturally from behind the trumpet. Those are both clear signs of AI generation and it not having good continuity on fine details. Much like the fucking background.

>>150259972
Jesus Christ, you can tell from a GLANCE

>dude what if I just trace it. YOU WONT KNOW
the thing is most people I see fellating LLMs are so lazy they cant even be bothered to gen their "ghibli" pics withouth the weird sepia filter. Nevermind get a tablet to trace or beeing able to make conistent and straight enough lines to trace well.
Its like someone saying "I will become a chess grandmaster by cheating" while not having a idea how the pieces move.
Like, the fucking retard in OP actually knew how to draw, just got lazy and despite knowing what he was doing (and probably having been able to do the pics withouth AI, better even) got caught. How the fuck would someone do it who never drew a fucking apple in their life?

>>150259972
Googling the guy's other art and yeah. These two cards look nothing like his other works. Even if you claim it's because it's digital vs. traditional, the inconsistencies are too great.

>>150260051
The water should be the first giveaway. Look at that waterfall appearing out of the ground. Look at how the water melts up the side of the rock. Notice the weird wave streaks on it, as if it's water receding from a wave on one side, yet the water is too calm to have caused that big of a splash on it. It also looks as if some droplets of water are floating upwards as if in zero gravity. The rock formations are also geologically inconsistent. One looks like something you'd find in the murrikan southwest (the temple structure), then you have those sharp jetting peaks like those you'd find in asia. Along with roofed houses, despite the temple being "carved" in to the rock. With really weird plant scaling.

>>150259878
cry about it

>>150255950
Depends how recognizable the source material of the style you’re tracing over is

>>150259972
Lol look at that leg, one is fur the other is the pantsleg of a pair of shorts lmao

>>150260207
For me it's the weird ass, round "Pant leg" on his right leg.
None of the ducks have ever been drawn with their leg plumage like that.
The legs always extend into the body/plumage, and never the other way around.

>>150256450
Do people actually play this thing or is it like Pokemon and everyone just buys tons of cards to open on Twitch while avoiding tournaments like the plague because every player either is a pedophile or smells so bad it decreases the resell value of your deck.

>>150259972
>>150260276
Scrooges pose is also very akward. Nevermind whatever the fuck the nephews are supposed to be doing. Like two have the exact same pose and one stares at nothing. Shouldnt they look at Scrooge, or where hes pointing at?
As is it doesnt feel like a epic moment but as if Scrooge just declared hes the King of Fartlandia and his pehews are either puzzled by it or resigned to putting him into a asylum

>>150260331
I like to look at the backgrounds first, because that's where AI tracers get lazy. They'll try and "fix" obvious issues they can see on the main subject(s), but then phone in the background details. It's like he generated the images then did spot touchups on the very glaring details (rabbit's clock numbers, getting the eyes/facial details to not melt behind the lenses on both pics), but then just glossed over other shit. Shit a regular artist would notice and not let slide, like the leg or the tail fluff thing.

Nothing seems to upset AI bros more than telling them they aren't real artists.

>>150260359
Yes it is played and Disney is supporting it pretty strongly. They just had the World Championship which was hosted at Disney World, and we're starting season 2 with continental championships in several world regions.

>>150259972

Christ, they barely tried to fix it.

>>150260443
Which I dont understand with how often they go "BUGGY BUGGY HORSE"
Would they also be upset if a Jockey told them they arent a Jockey? Would they argue "Yeah but I will just put my Tesla on the racetrack and beat you! That makes me the non-ludite Jockey!"?

>>150260359
I do, and league nights at my lgs are usually a diverse range of ages and game experience, and sometimes the women outnumber the men. It's way more casual than the MtG crowd, and smells a lot better, too.

>>150260207
A lot of this guy's old content looks like redraws of Disney screenshots/posters, but with realistic textures and lighting added to make them look more fancy.
It seems like he's always been kind of a lazy artist. And now AI has made him even lazier.

>>150259558
Honestly no apology can ever really work. If it was more than just a joke to piss off people and there is someone in this world who actually had that opinion even for a second, then they have the single most inflated ego that rivals that of Roman emperors.

>>150260212
Boy, Microsoft ain't sending their best. Then again, they've never had.

>>150259972
>Extended leg plumage
>Feet are different sizes, and one foot has rounded toes, while the other has pointed
>One leg is like three times the length of the other
>No spats, instead wearing orange socks
>Belt buckle on the blue suit, and a type of buckle he's never had
>Glasses smushed together with no divider
>One "beard tuft" is coming out of the side of his eye, instead of his cheek
>While not unheard of, him being drawn with a head tuft while he's wearing his hat, is extremely rare
>One collar fold is noticeably longer than the other
>Cane is roughly textured, even though it's always been depicted as polished
>Louie has a backpack, but for some reason he didn't get any straps for it, even though the "artist" was mindful enough to give Dewey some
>None of the nephews are looking to Scrooge, or where he's pointing, one of the most universal forms of character posing/interaction
And this is completely ignoring the background.
It doesn't really matter if it's AI or not, because either way it's fucking garbage.

>>150260802
And again with the fucking AI background lmao. He's 100% just tracing. What a lazy faggot.

>>150251849 (OP)
They should have killed the jeet

>>150251849 (OP)
that just means the card will become incredibly rare because they won't reprint it anymore

>>150251878
Not really, no. Metadata is scrubbed by doing that and the errors can be fixed or replaced with human like errors.

The issue is the final product. AI can make errors or signs but its when they are in the final product does it show. Even simply going 'flat colors' and 'no background and finishing the rendering by hand would probably get you off Scott free.

Did they sell those cards already?

>>150260802
that shit is blatant
how the fuck did he get away with this for so long?

>>150260802
Thats not a redraw thats just a plain fucking trace. All the outlines are the same.

>>150251944
Pretty much. Im sure they would phrase it as they were paying him by-hand art wages. If they knew he was using a tool to shorten the job time to a few minutes then they would have paid him less.

>>150260802
Why did he gives her Dreamworks eyebrows?

>>150252051
>and the cost is that individual people can't sell AI slop either, then that's a win all around.
That's what real AI bros want. Its skeeves and bad artists that want content dumping machines so they can have a lot of content fast to process into money. AI bros want the individual person to be able to generate his own art slop to have it exist.

>>150261254
I think tracing is okay in some contexts. Apparently he's been drawing stuff for Disney for a long time. If Disney hired him to redraw a nice-looking clipart piece and color it in a cool way, that should be fine. Sometimes that kind of thing is needed for merchandise.

Using AI and not being honest about it is bad, though. I understood this whole thing became a controversy because the guy was selling AI generated art without making it clear it's AI.

>>150259417
The people who use AI for their final pass on a project don't care about the quality though, they care about not having to do the work they were hired for. If they cared that much about quality control they probably would just draw the thing instead of trying to get a machine to do all the work for them.

>>150253695
That's art without external influence, not context.

>>150253928
Man couldn't even photoshop it, could he? Two seconds with the sponge tool, man!

>>150261432
>AI bros want the individual person to be able to generate his own art slop to have it exist.

I mean, personally I don't care about that. And I'm as guilty as anyone of having generated hundreds of AI slopperinos for my own amusement, but I'm not making money off of any of it and I'm not trying to. I'm glad to see that conventions are not allowing the sale of AI content in their artist's alleys, either. Even a bad artist still deserves to be there more than someone who is just spinning up a bunch of gens, printing them and trying to flip them for money to suckers who don't know any better.

>>150261464
AI or not this just looks like shit.

>>150259480
Lol retard just give them the other name.

>>150252318
>thats 85% hand painted
Except it's not, it's "hand painted" over AI.

>>150251878
Lazy ass artists finding an easy way to get out of doing art.

>>150253299
>Yes, mainly because AI artists don't have a good understanding of art direction/intention.
And what if you do, dumbass? You just create a bunch of images of the things you want in the same style you want and composite them in Photoshop and draw over it for your final product. You can make comics that way, any kind of art, any design, anything, just use it instead of photos or stock images because it can actually generate photos/stock images that you with your good art director brain want instead of having to take them or tweak them for days.

>>150253833
Dude is very clearly lying, you have eyes don't you? Just fucking look at the image.

>>150259202
>I would LOVE to see the "layered hand drawn files" that allow you to come up withglasses that melt in to the nose, melted backgrounds, lightsources from multiple angles, oddly shaded pupils, a third eyebrow, weirdly jointed thumb that melts in to the palm, highlights on a shaded tail, and a random out of place tuft of fur on the tail that doesn't follow the patterns of any other hair tuft.
This. Also chain and door and the entire background.

>>150259972
>melding the spats into feet
Totally not AI moron.

>>150251849 (OP)
Seems like overkill.

>>150256355
The most non-sensical merry-go-round and why are the horses alive. AI

>>150259972
who the FUCK holds a cane like that?

>>150262357
Why do you think the horses are alive?

>>150253928
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>>150261535
Lol How many errors do you guys see? I see 25, 21 from the rabbit alone, there's probably more

>>150260915
Would it have been SO hard to at least fix where the nephews were looking?

>>150260802
>traced image
>big ass tree added to the center background for some reason
LAME