Thread 150287959

He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (2021) - Gorgeous animation, shows respect to the original without being slavish to it.
Masters of the Universe/200X - Great animation, Four Horseman designs with anime flourish gives the series a strong identity.
He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (1983) - The one that started it all. Still good, the rotoscope animation is fun and is still eye catching, even if leading to the occasional weird walk cycle or odd perspective. The main issue is that because of weird regulations around kid's cartoons at the time the heroes are kind of bland, and a lot of the episodes are copy paste. The move away from the more Robert E. Howard, sword and sorcery style of the mini-comics and introducing the concept of Prince Adam being the secret identity of He-Man was a bad choice and is something that changed the tone of the mini-comics and is something that the franchise is still struggling to get away from. It takes He-Man and makes him more like a Conan garbed Superman rip-off.
---this is the minimum line of what can be considered good----
Revelation - The animation looks good for the most part, there's no denying that. Despite claiming to be a continuation of the '83 series it immediately sidelines He-Man, making Teela the focus and completely butchers her character. It also completely fucks up other characters like Orko, to the point where you have to question if the writing staff had actually seen the original series. The voice casting is either brilliant like Tony Todd as Scare-Glow or Lena Headey as Evil-Lyn, or horribly miscast like Kevin Conroy as Mer-Man. The worst part is it seems like Revelation holds a lot of contempt for the original series, like the original should be ashamed for not matching the sensibilities of modern society.

I haven't seen The New Adventures of He-Man so I can't accurately rank it. From the chatter I hear it seems mainly just a confused brand continuation that barely resembles the original series.

I highly recommend Revolution, which is the sequel to Revelation. Unlike Revelation, the main focus is He-Man and Skeletor.
It's also the 3rd He-Man series that got canceled right before She-Ra gets introduced. She seems to be cursed.

>>150288113
I'd heard it was bad and mainly just has a lot of fanservice right at the end.

>It's also the 3rd He-Man series that got canceled right before She-Ra gets introduced. She seems to be cursed.
She-Ra's cartoon rights are exclusively owned by Dreamworks, so no other studio can use her. Curious to see what happens after the new movie. Maybe Mattel will look into reworking the deal.

>>150288154
Obviously whatever rights Dreamworks has to She-Ra isn't ironclad because she literally appears as Despara in the final scene of Revolution, and you can see her in the artbook of the 2021 series with the plot synopsis of her pursuing Adam to Earth in the next season if it had continued.

>>150287959 (OP)
Revolution > 2021 > 2002 > Revelation > Filmation

I don't think any of these are terribly good, though. MOTU never had a lot of creative success in my book. The 2002 series in particular is almost impressively dull, but I appreciate some of its designs. The 2021 is better than anyone could have guessed going in, but it still sometimes looks like a disposable Dreamworks project with an abundance of shitty canned animations reused over and over.

>>150288264
>she literally appears as Despara in the final scene of Revolution
Despara is treated as a different entity though. So they can have Despara, but they couldn't refer to her as Adora or She-Ra.

>>150288570
>with an abundance of shitty canned animations reused over and over.
That is true, but it's also been true of cartoons going back decades. Even the original Filmation cartoon recycled animation constantly. Hell a lot of the rotoscoped animation was designed specifically for that purpose. I think He-Man is just one of those properties that might be destined to only resonate with a few people. Much like Conan, everyone has heard of Conan, most people that have seen the Schwarzenegger movie are fans of the movie, but not many people would consider themselves Conan fans. I do think the 2021 series has managed to get the mix of sci-fi and sword and sorcery much better than any other version so far though.

>>150288113
He-Man also never gets to fight Hordak. 2002, only Grayskull, CGI, cancelled, Revoulution, Skeletor got him

>>150289341
Can't have a sister, can't fight Hordak. He's lived.a tough life since 1987.

>>150287959 (OP)
He-man should be basically inaccessible to the Normie by the current year by how shallow and how lack of depth it has in anything

Since the Normie needs things to be deep, introspective, social commentary, gore, no baby faces allowed. Which is how Netflix shows are.

not that he-man is actually good but you do have to be some kind of retro coded imagination autist to enjoy it in current year

Anime has crowded out all the interest In anything that is sword and planet and he -man like coded out from existence since anime is just a better product for the Norman.

>>150289248
I like MOTU as a premise. I like some of the newer comics quite a bit. I'm not big on the toys because Mattel sucks ass but I like the concepts and designs. I just don't think the shows are great.

>>150289488
This post makes feel like you have something against He-Man specifically.

>>150287959 (OP)
He-Man could have been as big with kids born around 1995 as TMNT 2003 of the people behind it had been creative and kid-focused as CGI, instead of acting like their core audience was men who remembered the original and wanted the same thing but less kiddy.

>>150287959 (OP)
New Adventures is better than Rev, but it's barely even a MOTU series. Beyond He-man and Skeletor it has the most nebulous ties to the franchise.

>>150289492
>I like MOTU as a premise.
Honestly, the original mini-comics had a level of grandeur to them that the Filmation cartoon immediately pissed up against the wall. Like see a naturally gifted runner get ready to start his Olympic journey, only to have the coach take a baseball bat to his knee after his first race.

>I'm not big on the toys because Mattel sucks ass
Mattel have made great strides in recent years and the MOTU toyline is the best it has ever been.

>>150289492
>he doesnt like origins, mcx, new eternia masterverse, MOTUC, or the minis

fucking plebian

>>150289526
No I really like it but I understand why these types of universes are invisible to the Normie zoomer. I love how he-man the Filmation and toy line are.

>>150289684
>these types of universes are invisible to the Normie zoomer.
I think a large part of it is that people don't believe in magic anymore, and I don't mean like literally believe, but that thing where your heart still feels it. Like everyone knows Santa isn't really, but you still feel like if you went to the North Pole there's not a 0% chance you'd find Santa. But fantasy, swords, sorcery, the days of high adventure, nobody feels it in their heart anymore. That's why all modern fantasy is cynical bullshit like Game of Thrones or The Witcher.

>>150289533
I'm convinced the He-Ro series getting shitcanned when it did permanently doomed the franchise. MOTU needed a Beast Wars of it's own and New Adventures was not it, not by a long shot.

>>150288570
>Revolution over CGI, 200X, and Filmation

>>150289794
>MOTU needed a Beast Wars of it's own
200X feels like it could almost be that, but it came to late and didn't commit enough to having its own identity. That's partially why I like 2021 so much, because if Filmation is G1, 2021 is Prime.

>>150289543
Origins is alright, or was. Masterverse isn't entirely bad but mostly blows relative to the competition. The 2002 Origins figures look like they might be winners, though. We'll see.
>>150289539
>the MOTU toyline is the best it has ever been.
I agree. That's just not saying much because it's Mattel.

>>150289821
That's an overarching issue with MOTU at large sadly. Anytime the series is in dire need of revitalization, Mattel will eventually budge, but it will always come far too late. It happened with the 1987 movie first and it's continued to happen ever since. CGI was a great victim of that. Had it released a decade earlier alongside TMNT2012 it would have been a huge hit. Dumping it quietly onto shitflix mid pandemic was a death sentence.

200X really should have been a blueprint for future efforts to revive the series. It is in essence He-man's equivalent to Brave and the Bold, but the slavish devotion to toyline lore kind of prevents the other masters from truly shining. Regardless it's easily one of the best shows they ever did. Definitely my favorite.

>>150289801
Yes. The Filmation show is borderline trash. 2002 manages to make Jackie Chan Adventures look like Samurai Jack. 2021 is Trollhunters with JRPG battle animations (though I still enjoyed it overall, despite the braindead Krass plot). Revolution isn't great but it was leaps and bounds better than Revelation.

>>150289829
>not saying much because it's Mattel.
Honestly I think in terms of quality and pricing, Mattel is stronger than Hasbro right now. They maybe not have the same license clout (though they have the DC license again next year), or the faceprinting on all their lines, but they don't fuck you on price like Hasbro and their quality control is definitely better. People are actively trying to buy less from Hasbro because of their bullshit, but MOTU goes strong.

>>150289829
That's why I specified New Eternia. It's been the one true success of Masterverse thus far. Many options rival or outright mog the best Classics had to offer. Ditto on the upcoming 200X figures though. As much as I was hoping for poseable renditions of the 4HM sculpts Im really happy with the toon accurate sculpts.

>>150289850
Actual crayon eater logic. Go back to your special ed class anon.

>>150289847
I think Mattel's timing has always been garbage, but also they're kinda cursed by outside interference. The '87 movie was derailed because of Cannon's financial bullshit, the CGI series coming out during the pandemic was less a detriment to the cartoon itself, though Netflix's bullshit probably didn't help either, but it definitely fucked over toy sales.
Still there's a new game coming soon, the movie next year, and according to a cashier I spoke to today (anecdotal as this is) apparently interest in the toys has picked up recently. So maybe we're on the cusp of a new golden era. I know people are excited as fuck for the new 200X toyline, so that's gonna sell well at least.

>>150289794
>MOTU needed a Beast Wars of it's own and New Adventures was not it, not by a long shot.
Lou Scheimer took this pitch to Mattel and DIC 7-8 years after Filmation was shut down, as Beast Wars and Extreme Ghostbusters came out, and Mattel was too oblivious to do anything with MOTU even when someone else did all the thinking for them. In later years at fan conventions before his death, Scheimer would pepper his reminiscences with "*sigh* Fuck Mattel."

>>150289854
>Honestly I think in terms of quality and pricing, Mattel is stronger than Hasbro right now.
I don't. G.I. Joe Classified is a much stronger line, and I don't even like G.I. Joe. The Black Series has gotten worse in terms of overall management and paint application in some places but they're still more fun to handle. I haven't touched a Masterverse figure since the line first started, though. It's possible they've buttoned things up over the last few years.
>they have the DC license again next year
I fully expect Mattel to make everyone quickly long for McFarlane's stupidity.

>>150289847
>200X really should have been a blueprint for future efforts to revive the series. It is in essence He-man's equivalent to Brave and the Bold, but the slavish devotion to toyline lore kind of prevents the other masters from truly shining.
The 2002 writers whizzed any chance to excite kids down their legs with that slavish devotion to toyline lore.
Post-TMNT and Power Rangers, child viewers expected a teenage leader of the heroes to have peers. The 2002 writers made everyone who had a 1982 or 83 toy old enough to be Adam's father, having fought Keldor and the 82-3 Evil Warriors alongside his father. The only exception was Teela, because she'd been established right after the 82 picture book-style minicomics as another toy's daughter.
Would kids find such a cast compelling? Who cares! We're writing this for ourselves, not them.

>>150289903
The late 90s early 00s were a dark time for Mattel, and the late 00s through the 2010s was marred by stupid decisions, blinded by their DC licence, and Scott Neitlich's retarded belief the MOTU wasn't viable as anything other than a Matty Collector line did a lot of damage to Mattel but MOTU especially.

>>150289863
>Go back to your special ed class anon.
I'm not going to pretend the 2002 show wasn't a confused low-effort sword-twirling soporific or that Filmation's sterile commercial didn't suck out almost all of the brand's appeal.

>>150289901
I cant get over the fact they've waited exactly 40 years to make the new movie. Frankly I dont have high hopes for it, but I pray it rejuvenates interest in MOTU enough that the toylines can keep trotting along. Plenty of anons on /toy/'s Masters general have noted as much, but CGI really could have benefitted from getting released before Revelations. Rev really just left a turd in the punch bowl.

>>150289903
I'm sadly all too aware of that. I similarly lamemt his failed efforts to produce a He-man pastiche in "He-Ro". You could easily argue that MOTU is such a cursed property it's bad luck even afflicts spiritual successors.

>>150289983
I don't think character ages was really the problem. The problem is that the 2002 show looked dopey (kids in the early 00s were not as interested in naked men) and was almost shockingly boring. I don't think there's much more to it than that. The face of it turned kids off and the content frankly didn't warrant their attention even if they did tune in.

I don't think it's the worst show ever made or anything, but compared to a lot of other things kicking around in 2002-2003 it's not very good.

>>150289983
pretty much yeah. it sucks too because all the 200X redesigns were perfect updates for the entire cast. everything was in place for the series to succeed, and in the end it was sidelined for thr sake of older fans. it's a shame.

A timing problem for Mattel:
Lego Ninjago is as worthy a reimagining of MotU as the CGI cartoon, so that needed to come out by Fall 2010.

4-part pilot: early MotU. Garmadon = Skeletor. Since Ninjago also copies Power Rangers, He-Man's role starts with Kai (red), but some elements end up assigned to Garmadon's son (green).
This was followed by a 13-episode season called Rise of the Snakes, copying MotU's toy-based story beats established by 200X.
The Overlord established in Season 2 = Hordak.
And it just kind of grew from there because Season 2's ratings and toy sales were too good to end it.

Zoomers love Filmation Skeletor whenever they rediscover him via the internet. I don't buy that they crippled MotU's appeal by being different from the earliest minicomics.

>>150290494
Not enough people acknowledge just how much of a success Ninjago's been. It's really gone onto become the world eater of toylines. It's as if lego identified every cool thing boys like and threw it all in a blender only for properties like MOTU, Thundercats, and Bionicle to recoil in horror as their breakfast, lunch, and dinner get eaten forever more. Ninjago didnt just win, they teabagged and defiled their opponents for all time.

>>150291551
I love the minicomics and I think there should have been a happy compromise between them and the filmation continuity, but I cannot deny the infectious charm of the filmation series. It radiates the exact sort of lovable goofiness that many of its peers still do. It's hard to hate.

>>150289850
>The Filmation show is borderline trash
So you're saying it's better than the kwvin smith ones, ok, glad you cleared that up

>>150287959 (OP)
Filmation, then the movie despite being not like anything else, then 200x I guess.

>>150289912
Haven't been keeping up, but the Turtles of Grayskull line had some legit cool figures.

>>150292138
based

>>150292204
For me it's 200X, then Filmation, CGI, then the 87' movie, and finally NA. The Smith shit doesnt even register in my rankings. It's a fart in the wind as far as I'm concerned.

Were the Turtles of Grayskull comics good?

Fun fact: Skeletor never made a bone pun in the 80s. 130 episodes to make up dialogue for him and it never happened.
It started with parodies like Skullmaggedon in Double Dragon Neon and found its way back to the original in 2021 cartoons.

>>150289983
>Would kids find such a cast compelling?
Speaking as someone who actually was a kid back then, yes I did. Kids don't actually sperg out about adult protagonists as much as you seem to think. Hell you seem out of touch considering by 2002, the last few Power Rangers series at the time had adult protagonists who worked jobs and everything.

Alfredo Alcala and later Earl Norem were hired to do comic art and oil paintings for Masters of the Universe because of their work on Savage Sword of Conan.

>>150294030
Earl Norem also got to work on Transformers storybooks back in the 80s too, his work was awesome.

>>150293193
It's other who like to call him bonehead.

Most people just talked in situational quips and not "Im plant guy so I have to make plant puns" way.

>>150291551
It's amusing sometimes. But as disposable and goofy as the minicomics and figures themselves often are there's an undeniable pulp aspect of the minicomics/concept that the Filmation show just doesn't capture, nevermind the quality of the show itself.

The 2002 series also kind of has this problem despite having 20 years and a more diverse TV ecosystem to embolden itself. It's alarming in how bland and boring it is to watch.

>>150294544
>But as disposable and goofy as the minicomics and figures themselves often are there's an undeniable pulp aspect of the minicomics/concept that the Filmation show just doesn't capture,
Yeah, that was what they were going for at the beginning when they hired Alfredo Alcala. Pulp barbarians running around in loincloths with apes and inhuman sorcerers in unpopulated landscapes.

>The 2002 series also kind of has this problem despite having 20 years and a more diverse TV ecosystem to embolden itself. It's alarming in how bland and boring it is to watch.
There were a few episodes I didn't find boring.. and looking them up, they were all written by Larry DiTillio.

>>150287959 (OP)
Cool armor

What kind of dad would Skeletor be?

>>150287959 (OP)
Cgi cartoon was so much better than Kevin smiths shitty take it should be a crime to mention both of them in the same sentence

Audiobooks and read-along books
Golden Books
Mini comics
Filmation

>>150296068
helicopter parenting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWZ9BZjV_Tg

Best action figure dark masters and their betrayal backfiring was even better.

If we had gotten season 4 what're the odds of Skeletor coming back again just to fight Hordak.

>>150292138
I don't really see what people hate so much about Revolution. Revelation was disappointing and overstuffed but Revolution mostly works (though still overstuffed) despite using the shitty Keldor origin for Skeletor.

>>150297547
>despite using the shitty Keldor origin for Skeletor.
The alternative "dimension of Skeletors" origin would have been silly.

>>150299119
He doesn't need either one. Just make him an evil wizard with a mysterious past that was once a goon for Hordak. Good enough. Even the relationship with Hordak isn't necessary, really, but it has obvious narrative thrust.

Since "Skeletor used to be King Randor's brother Keldor" was first floated in a 1987 mini-comic, no one at Filmation became aware of it and continued working with "interdimensional demon".

>>150299119
>>150299281
He never needed an "origin".

>>150297547
> despite using the shitty Keldor origin for Skeletor.

That origin has been around for decades

>>150299410
That just means it's a shitty idea that's been around for decades, friendo.

>>150296825
Holy based.
I think Filmation is shit so disagree there, but fuck yeah, Golden Books, the audio books and the comics (mini and otherwise) is the only good MotU fiction

Everything I hear from the new movie in production depresses me
>On Earth, Adam is.....
I'm out

>>150300485
I say, what's going on?!

>>150296825
>>150300453
I thought I'd seen all the He-Man fiction including Golden Books, Ladybird Books and UK comic, but what are these audiobooks?

>>150291551
Skeletor carries the original series. I think most people's fondness for that series stems from Skeletor just being a goofball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyyTzkktjsI

That's also why I think the CGI series works so well, because they've written Skeletor to clearly enjoy his situation. Bad puns and all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12S4X9FnQtE

>>150300620
Picture books thst came with read along cassettes.
They were actually all included in the minicomic compendium (if you have it) so you might even know the stories but didn't realize they were audio books

>>150300722
No disagreement here.

>>150300485
While I am concerned about the film will turn out (Travis Knight does a good track record though), at least they are going the regular Earth to mystical land isekai route, not the reverse isekai of the last movie where three quarters of the movie is Courtney Cox being angsty about her dead parents and leaving her home town.

>>150300620
>>150300828
Being able to actually read along with this while reading the story in the Mini-Comic collection was a lot of fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL7LuUy5zrg

I thought the Keldor thing was at least sometimes funny in the CGI show.

>>150301079
The CGI series is the first time that I felt like the whole Keldor/Skeletor, Prince Adam/He-Man thing actually added to the series.

>>150300828
>>150288570
I wish we got a Bruce Timm MOTU show.

>>150288154
>I heard it was bad
You got lied to. Every Keldor/Skeletor scene was better than it had any right to be. It was a solid season.

sex with skeletor

Do you prefer a white or kinda greenish skull for Skeletor?
Red eyes or empty sockets?

>>150288154
>I'd heard it was bad and mainly just has a lot of fanservice right at the end.
It had fanservice throughout and was pretty damn good overall. I (partly) get why people jumped ship during Revelation but they really did do themselves a disservice. I didn't know just how much I needed to hear Shatner-as-Keldor going "Damn bitch, you live like this?" to Hamill-as-Skeletor.

I enjoyed CGI a lot, it had a great take on the mythos, elevating the Havoc staff to the level of the Power Sword, making the Power of Grayskull the combination of the two. And despite helmet girl's plot kinda meandering, I like that Adam has a sister his age

>>150302603
I like the yellowish green because it matches the original toy and is a little more ghoulish than just a plain white skull. Similarly I like the red eyes, not just because they match the toy, but they allow animated incarnations to have a little more expression. I also really like when they glow, but that might be because I'm a Terminator fan.
Incidentally the Keldor and Kronis two pack they did came with a Skeletor head that has translucent red plastic in the eye sockets and without light-piping or electronics they catch the light so well that even in low light situations they look like they're glowing. I swear it must be sorcery.

>>150289847
200X was not a good show and I'm tired of anons pretending it was. The writing would have been considered quite good around the time the original series aired. By 2003? We'd had BTAS, Gargoyles, Samurai Jack, Beast Wars, and more. The bar had been raised and the writers on 2003 MOTU didn't bother reaching for it. They couldn't even decide if they were going to be a more serious show or try for a tone similar to the original.
I'm not saying you can't point to some stuff that was good, but your nostalgia-goggles have to be on TIGHT to convince yourself that 2003 was the high point for MOTU.

>>150289850
>2002 manages to make Jackie Chan Adventures look like Samurai Jack.
It's true and you should say it.

>>150302501
Are there chicks that genuinely thirst for Skeletor? She-Ra came about because the original He-Man figures had a really strong female demographic. You think Skeletor led to any chicks first awakenings?

>>150301129
That's weird, because it felt like any real relevance was abandoned almost immediately. Randor sees his long-lost supposedly-dead brother and just shrugs, doesn't give a fuck.
Revolution did a way better Keldor story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94hGK8PhTgo

>>150304088
NTA, but I just kinda liked how Randor and Skeletor talked in that scene.

>>150304132
It was a mildly amusing scene because it subverted expectations. You would expect it to be a big deal that Keldor has returned, and Randor just sighs and goes "oh it's you." Funny!
But it also totally drained any significance from the Keldor revelation. Having him be related adds nothing to the story in the end.

Compare with Revolution where Adam, having just lost his dad, is wondering about whether or not he'd be a good king, and is all-too-happy to go "I have an uncle, who apparently got screwed by my grandfather, who sounds like he was kinda a douche? And he seems like he's the kind of ruler that I'd want on the throne? Well give HIM the crown, it's the right thing to do for everyone!"

>>150304280
>Compare with Revolution where Adam, having just lost his dad, is wondering about whether or not he'd be a good king, and is all-too-happy to go "I have an uncle, who apparently got screwed by my grandfather, who sounds like he was kinda a douche? And he seems like he's the kind of ruler that I'd want on the throne? Well give HIM the crown, it's the right thing to do for everyone!"
I liked how "show up at the palace and tell He-Man you're the rightful heir" was a scheme Hordak ordered Skeletor to do after replacing his memories of being Keldor with "I'm a demon from another dimension." Damn, dude, you think he's ever going to stumble upon the truth and be pissed?

You know He-Man has never had a successful reboot because they keep briefly showing the Horde yet never getting as far as these guys getting voice actors. It's been 38 years since they've spoken.

>>150287959 (OP)
I really liked the CG Netflix one. It was honestly a fun interpretation of the characters and elements from the series. That it got swept up in the shit from the other Netflix He-Man and was cancelled was so disappointing.

>>150287959 (OP)
OG MOTU gets top rank obviously. And after that the top-ranked MOTU show is... Dreamworks' She-Ra. I mean come on, the fandom for that one walked away with a complete story (a few threads could've been wrapped up better but compare that to all the MOTU shows that ended on a cliffhanger), and it was honestly it's been damn rare in recent years to see a fandom as satisfied with an ending as the She-Ra fandom was with theirs.

>>150304743
Hordak had no respect for Skeletor and considered himself immortal. He probably planned on having a good laugh if Skeletor ever pieced things together.

>>150289778
Pretty much, yeah.
Actual high adventure was hunted into extinction like... Well, not like dodo exactly, but more like mastodon/dodo hybrid. Too easy to hurt and kill, but looks impressive enough that you get a lot of cred for the kill.
No other genre has this, not even space opera. Somehow people are willing to overlook laser guns, but the moment sorcery is mentioned people turn completely rabid.

>>150288154
MoTU had Hordak cameo at the end, isnt he from She-Ra first? Or is it specifically rights to She-Ra herself and not the franchise.

>>150305389
It's all very complicated and involves people not suing when they possibly could sue but wouldn't be guaranteed a victory so what's the point. But basically Filmation got the rights to all the characters in their cartoon, and sole ownership of the ones they made up for the show, while Mattel freely uses the ones that existed in toy form before Filmation started on the project. So Mattel can freely use Hordak and She-Ra but not Madame Razz. Or something.

How many He-man reboots have there been in the last five years?

CGI Teela a cute

>>150305570
She was. Ram-Ma'am wasn't half bad either.

>>150305698
wonder if they go for snek or birb for the next version

>>150305795
I wouldn't mind a return to snake. Feels like bird has been the main theming she's had over all.

>>150305570
She's cute enough, and interestingly enough written that the raceswap doesn't totally piss me off. It probably helps that they kinda gave Teela's broader characterisation and gave it to Ram Ma'am instead, and turned Teela basically into Storm.

There's no sensible reason for her to not only need to pee into the helmet during a hunt (MAYBE you could make an argument for not leaving a scent trail, or they move through the trees during a hunt, but that's a stretch), but the fact that she would then need to put the helmet back on AFTER peeing into it.
But I'm sure it's totally innocent, and the writer didn't imagine her face contorted in tension, then relaxed into an expression of bliss as she is finally free to release, then having to spend the rest of the hunt with a look of shy embarrassment as she has to wear the helmet for the rest of the hunt. Nobody saying anything, but their tacit looks (or lack of looks) just as obvious of her actions as the rapidly cooling moisture seeping down the back of her neck. I'm sure NONE of that went through the writer's head.

>>150287959 (OP)
The one with Frank Langella in it > All

The only one good reason to watch MotU Revelation. It's shame that in Revolution no transformation of Teela in the revolution.

>>150305413
Too many.

>>150306256
They let Frank Langella ab lib much of Skeletor's dialogue, and he decided the reason he identifies as evil is because he was chosen as its poet and prophet, so he'd speak like an evil Zoroaster.
Like who puts that much thought into a Good vs Evil story designed to sell toys?

>>150305133
I like how they let two characters on the evil side fall in love. And it was infinitely healthier Catra's sexual possessiveness for Adora.

Everyone in this picture was canonically straight.
Well, we were never told anything about the horse.

>>150306540
Langella also says this is one of his favourite roles he has ever played.

Filmation, 200X and CGI Skeletor come across as the same personality.
Langella and New Adventures DON'T feel the same, but each is a delight to watch.

So there was an Injustice/MOTU crossover.
Regular Superman has met He-Man twice besides Murderman here.

>>150306028
Got to say, I like it and wish there was more of this during it's run

>>150308593
why did this make me laugh

>>150309028
That show practiced good foreshadowing.

>>150287959 (OP)
Heman is gay

>>150310204
They don't make 'em like they used to

>>150309967
You just say that because Mattel lost the rights to have him bang all those women he was into him on Etheria.

>>150287959 (OP)
Wait... We are talking about this?

>>150309028
>>150309107
i genuinely am sad that the show got cancelled and also that Kevin Conroy died, he was a shockingly good pick for a Hordak VA, better than him being Mer-Man in the Kevin Smith He-Man.

OG He-Man and reboot She-Ra at the top. New Adventures at the bottom. Anyone telling you Smith's show is worse than Adventures is insane.

What would be your prefered team of Masters of the Universe/Evil Warriors? Try to limit to 5-7 members (non-sentient pets don't count).

>>150313046
1. He-Man
2. Teela as a White Mage
3. competent Orko
4. Sy-Klone
5. Extendar
6. Roboto
7. Free space for second girl, sentient Cringer/Battle Cat, or whatever story role first six haven't covered.

1. Skeletor
2. Beast Man
3. Evil-Lyn
4. Kobra Khan
5. Webstor as long as he looks like a spider
6. Modulok (defects after we establish Hordak)
7. Blast-Attak

>>150311199
I liked him more than Keith David, even, which I thought was a little too on-the-nose.

So what's going on with that movie that was being talked about? It still happening?

>>150300485
The fact that Jared Leto--the unpassable kidney stone of American motion pictures--is not only in the film but is Skeletor tells you all you need to know.

>>150313046
He-Man, Buzz-Off, Snout Spout, King Randor, Mekaneck, Rio-Blast, Sorceress not bring sequestered in her fucking room and doing something for a change

Skeletor, Evil-lyn, Trap Jaw, Blast-Attak, Clawful, Spikor, Webstor

Not trying to build balanced teams or anything, these are just my top favs for each crew

>>150313589
They finished the filming over the summer, it comes out next June or July

The cast so far is He-Man, Teela, Duncan, Battle Cat, Sorceress, Randor, Marlena, Ram Man, Moss Man, Mekaneck and Roboto for the good guys
Skeletor, Beast Man, Evil-lyn, Trap Jaw, Tri-klops, Goat Man, Spikor and Pig Boy for the bad guys

>>150314877
Kristen Wiig is CGI Roboto's voice and Evil-Lyn's actress has dismissed the film's tone being serious.
Which could be fine, except you need a good Skeletor to make silly Eternia work and they're paying Jared Leto instead.

>>150315138
You need a good Skeletor to make any Eternia work. It's over.

>>150315138
>>150315446
Don't worry guys, THEY'LL save this film

>>150305413
We've had 3 after She-Ra showed how easy it would be to create a new Fandom.
CGI targeted kids and failed.
Revelations targeted fans of the old cartoon and failed.
The live action movie will target normies.

>>150315138
How the fuck is Jared Leto still getting work?

>>150315535
>Revelations targeted fans of the old cartoon and failed.
Arguable

>>150303933
I'm glad someone else feels the way I do. I don't have any bias against it. It just isn't good television.

>>150316596
There was this one episode... "Turnabout"? That encapsulated a lot of the flaws it had.
They wanted to do "What if Skeletor was forced to be good and didn't like it, like the Christmas Special?" Except they thought they were so mature and sophisticated that it had to be some military operation the heroes carried out, ambushing him with a gun that shot a shock collar hooked up to a Detect Magic spell.
When you try to have it both "recreate Filmation silliness" and "we're smart and tacticool" like that, it becomes dull nonsense.

>>150317315
*Detect Evil
The heroes ambushed him to force a magic belt that shocked him every time it detected evil thoughts.

>>150303933
200X was my introduction to MOTU. Call it nostalgia goggles, call it autism, but I have and extreme fondness for it. I recognize its flaws and adore it anyways. It more than stands toe to toe to all the shows you named, and is arguably most comparable to TMNT 2003.

The fact that there are anons itt defending the smith shit while others belittle 200X is infuriating

>>150317767
>anons
I wish we still had IP counters.

>>150296825
I just fold the golden books into filmation

>>150317782
Why did they make it go away?

>>150317782
>I wish we still had IP counters.

>>150317802
No clue. Some say it was for advertisers sake but there's no reason to think that would make a difference for them anyway considering we can see genuine site metrics easily enough anyway. If we still had them it would be easier to see when a thread is just one guy trying to say a show isn't actually shit even though it is.

>>150309028
Aw, the poor monster bat's feelings.

>>150317782
There are at least two of us. I'm honestly surprised, since most of the time when I point out that the 2002 series is dreck everyone acts like I pissed on an altar.

I wish it were otherwise, but I really do not think He-Man 2002 is good.
>>150317729
>It more than stands toe to toe to all the shows you named
I refuse to believe you think that, though I can accept you like it much more than I do.

>>150318420
Might be to FOOL advertisers. "Look at all the traffic in this thread!" and it's just a schizo arguing with himself. It happens.

>>150317729
>is arguably most comparable to TMNT 2003.
I think most people might agree on that. For good or bad, well, depends on who you ask.

>>150315535
Cgi one failed because it debuted right along with smiths jerk off "I hated he-man" cartoon & got buried. It never stood a chance which sucks ass because it really good

>>150319575
>Cgi one failed because it debuted right along with smiths jerk off "I hated he-man" cartoon
It failed because kids don't give a shit about MOTU and it didn't have much to offer them, not unlike how 2002 failed. Blaming Revelation is too manchild-centric.

>>150313046
>5
That's part of why the CGI show failed. Wonderful glorious cast of characters to draw on, but CG's biggest limitation is tha it requires a smaller cast.

bump

>>150317729
>Call it nostalgia goggles, but I think it's up there with Gargoyles, Samurai Jack, and BTAS

"Nostalgia goggles" is too kind. This is brain damage, anon.

>>150317767
I don't know what to tell you. I thought Revelation was a massive misfire. Not entirely without redeeming features, but not nearly as good as it could have been, and with some truly awful bits. Revolution on the other hand was a blast, the sort of thing we should've been getting from the start. It had a sexy Teela, lesser-known characters doing kickass shit, and Orko hating Gwildor more than Skeletor hates He-Man. 2002 had some great art and concepts but the scripts just weren't up to scratch. Most were meh, a few had some fun ideas but didn't execute them well, and way too many were "the good guys win because they are good guys, the bad guys lose because they are evil." Paint by numbers storytelling. There's room in this world for bad guys that call themselves The Council of Evil, but it doesn't work very well if the story is meant to be taken at all seriously.

>>150317789
The Golden books strike me as more akin to the minicomics than to the cartoons.

>>150314877
Orko bros……we’ve been abandoned again.

>>150323785
Not necessarily
They didn't announce Roboto until filming was done because he's probably all cgi so they just needed a VA
Orko, if he's in at all, would be the same deal, so they could still surprise us. You never know. I won't hold my breath but I'm also not gonna say "it's over" yet either

>>150323785
What's your (and everyone else's) favourite Orko?

>>150324011
Ork-0 is the best. I'd be fully on board with him being a robot droid that thinks he's a wizard from here on out

>>150324011
The original was the most fleshed out. He was disabled because Eternia's (super)natural laws are different from Eternia's. He had a family. He fell in love and got engaged. We even saw what the government of Trolla was like.
That said, a lot of his appearances were ill-conceived jokes or "I'm a child with hurt feelings running away", as grating to viewers over 5 as he was to Man-At-Arms.

2002 is kind of a nothingburger, since he's the same but with no Trolla.

Revelation changed him from "disabled by living on Eternia" to "always incompetent, disappointment to his parents". Then he became powerful after dying and coming back as Orko the White because... reasons?

Ork-0 being bad at magic because he's a robot is the best way to go if you want a comic relief mage but aren't going to do Trolla.

>>150324096
>Ork-0 being bad at magic because he's a robot is the best way to go if you want a comic relief mage but aren't going to do Trolla.

Funny thing is they DID do Trolla and established that Orko the Great was actually a real person and had Ork-0 actually meet him

>>150324096
>Revelation changed him from "disabled by living on Eternia" to "always incompetent, disappointment to his parents". Then he became powerful after dying and coming back as Orko the White because... reasons?
Self-confidence. He assumed his spells wouldn't work, so they didn't, so he assumed they wouldn't work, so they didn't, so he... etc. He was able to push past that for his suicide run, dying but taking down Scare-Glow in the process. And that victory (along with opening up to Lyn) boosted his self esteem so when he was resurrected he no longer assumed he would fail, and started casting spells properly.
I'm not saying it was a good character arc, but it wasn't complicated. I'm surprised I've seen a few people not get it.

Do we like Scare Glow being the god of the dead?
What alternatives have popped up in comics over the years?

>>150324394
Not really, but I'm a simple man with simple tastes

Just give me a glowing henchman for Skelly that gets in arguments with Trap Jaw over who's scarier, that's all I need him to be

>>150324394
>Do we like Scare Glow being the god of the dead?
I do, insofar as the frachise is called Masters of the Universe. I don't need it for every character or for it to lean super heavy, but it would be nice if all the main characters did represent something. Like He-Man is the universal master of human might or willpower, Man-At-Arms is the master of human ingenuity, Scare-Glow is the master of the dead, Sorceress and eventually Teela is the master of power cosmic, Skeletor master of evil, Mighty Spector master of self-inserts, hell even Cringer can be the master of courage, because the more afraid you are the more courage it takes to over-come it.

>>150324394
You know, as a kid I always assumed the black body was there for convenience and that 'in-universe' he was literally a glowing skeleton

>>150324487
I wonder what Fisto is the master of

What do we make of the heroes having two kingdoms of flying animal people, while the evil forces have none but control the sea?

>>150324620
Knitting.

One of my favorite bits in CGI 2021 was the flashbacks to He-Man and Skeletor's ancestor King Grayskull. There was a great twist to his story, and being voiced by Alan Oppenheimer turned out to be foreshadowing to old fans.

>>150287959 (OP)
Adam should’ve fucked the Shortstack headbutt girl.

>>150325314
These little guys should be sold as a 2-pack of toys going forward. But Mattel just wants us to pay full price for one little Orko instead.

>>150325238
As an adult, you're welcome to believe he did.
I thought it was clever to make her possessive of him because they grew up like siblings in the jungle and he was going to treat his identity as a prince as the real one now.

>>150325314
Orko with legs is fucking cursed.

>>150324394
It's the only worthwhile thing to do with him.

bump

>>150306426
Maybe in season 3 they give us the dark muscular She-Ra

>>150327068
Ther won't be one
They're making a movie prequel cartoon instead

>>150328035
>movie prequel cartoon
If the movie premise is that Adam was rocketed to Earth as a little kid, does that mean the whole cartoon is the adventures of Randor, Marlena and Man-At-Arms? No He-Man? Or will there be a He-Man before Adam wielding the Power Sword?

>>150325181
yeah that was definitely a choice to do that with Grayskull but it was fun fan service at the same time.

>>150328255
What if Randor WAS the previous He-Man?

>>150328035
Faggots!

>>150328035
Wtf they're still at it?!

>>150319678
It failed because man children thought the cgi one was for kids when smiths cartoon was the man children one & the cgi was actually smartly written and had more depth

>>150330103
Yup.
The relevant part is highlighted towards the bottom. It's all the shit they have planned to hype the movie, including the prequel series and animated character shorts

>>150328865
I'd be up for that !

>>150330361
Dudes just get someone to make content faithful to the Filmation series and continue the original toyline, dammit

>>150288154
Pretty sure Dreamwork’s rights expired already. Amazon was doing a movie but that might be axed.

Either way the He-Man cartoon was teasing Adora and Revolution teased her and had Despara in its after credits so if She-Ra is off limits to He-Man then it seems that at least Adora isn’t.