Thread 150300282

>ALL the Hanna-Barbera shorts (aka the good ones), uncut
>Sounds like they've remastered the shitty-looking shorts
>Even includes a featurette on Mammy

Is this the first time this series has been treated well by WB?

>>150300282 (OP)
Is this for real?

>>150300307
yes
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=37088

>>150300282 (OP)
Is there a forward warning me how outdated it is to modern sensabilities?

>>150300282 (OP)
God bless Warner Archive.

Her name isn't actually Mammy Two-Shoes, that was Mark Kausler mixing her up with a similar Disney character — I don’t think she had a name
Anyways this is really cool
I'm curious what elements they're using, the original elements of the 40s MGM cartoons were unfortunately lost in the 1965 fire

>>150300345
presumably, AND a warning on the back of the packaging saying "this collection is intended for the adult collector and may not be suitable for children"

>>150300390
>I'm curious what elements they're using, the original elements of the 40s MGM cartoons were unfortunately lost in the 1965 fire

The press release said
>featuring several fully remastered shorts and quality improvements made to many others.
so I assume they found better dupe prints for the ass-looking shorts.

>>150300282 (OP)
holy fucking based
>all 114 classic shorts
>including previously banned ones
>new restorations
legit my only problem with this is they just just released the cinemascope collection and since this will have those as well it means I've double dipped

>>150300480
think of it as you contributing to this new collection :)

>>150300466
>I assume they found better dupe prints for the ass-looking shorts
Hopefully people won't complain
I always found those weird colored borders on MGM cartoons interesting
Dunno if they came from MGM or Turner versions but for as weird looking they are I guess they prevent stuff in the actual cartoon from being cut off

>>150300345
>blackface jokes
Oh, they're definitely gonna have those warnings.

>>150300588
>Hopefully people won't complain
Doubt it. WB know which shorts looked like crap coz they omitted the technicolor credit on those shorts on the OG bluray and streaming

>>150300702
Thad K went on a long multi post rant over how Porky 101 used TV prints
I respect Thad and sure, it would be nice if they were all new scans but that wasn't in the budget and the concept of having every B&W Porky cartoon bugless and on one set is worth it

>>150300555
oh yeah I'm not actually upset by it, I'd gladly pay like $250 for a COMPLETE set like we're getting

>>150300345
>>150300398
>>150300605
Never understood why the warnings upset some people so much. I've seen anons fucking RAGE about them in looney tunes threads for years now. If corporate want them to include them so we get the actual works unmolested who gives a shit what warning they put before it?

As long as theres not some massive online OUTRAGE at the racist stuff this opens the door to maybe getting the last few avery shorts or even the censored 11 officially restored. they can have a warning that says you're a raging racist if you watch these for all I care so long as we get them

>>150300861
In some ways I agree
I feel it's a mix of things, both the way it's sort of demeaning to the audience, like they wouldn't be able to tell a black guy with huge red lips and a bone through his nose is offensive without some white executive pointing it out to him
Personally I also feel sometimes it and other attempts at "addressing" these things ends up being disrespectful to the hard work of the actual black crew members behind them
It's one thing when it's Mel Blanc doing a Stephin Fetchit voice (who himself could apply as well), I personally feel it's another thing entirely when it's an actual black actress like Lillian Randolph, Eddie Anderson or the cast of Amos n' Andy
It's unfair to minimize their careers just because their roles are "problematic" or suggest they were in the same league as "Birth of a Nation" or something, they worked just as hard as white actors, if not harder because of the limitations placed on them, and had to deal with discrimination both from white racists and groups like the NAACP who claimed to be looking out for them
Picrel, article from 1961 about the cast of Amos n' Andy, all but shut out of the industry without residuals because the NAACP got the series cancelled before it reached a certain number of episodes

>>150300767
Nah, he was right to go scorched earth on that Porky 101 set.
Might as well just use old TV prints instead of doing a half arsed remaster like they did with that garbage.

>>150301064
I mean sure, in principal I agree with what you're saying but in practicality they can demean me harder daddy for all I care so long as we get them. This isn't either or, it's warnings or no shorts. The end. Just remux the set yourself if it bothers you seeing them.

>>150300861
It's so damn performative

We KNOW these cartoons were made in a different era, we KNOW they don't line up with what is being produced today, we KNOW they don't represent the views of the modern employees of the company.

>>150301786
I'm okay with performative. Yes it'd be better if people could stop being insane for 5 seconds and judge old media for themselves, but a quick disclaimer that pays lip service is pretty unobtrusive in the grand scheme of things.

>>150301873
I do suppose that, were the disclaimer not there, people would be bitching about that. I agree with you here.

>>150300861
Some people just want to live angry

>>150301786
Who cares though?

>>150301928
I care, it's a painful reminder that I live in [current year] instead of the fantasy world I'm about to indulge in where a cat chases a mouse with wacky sound effects

>>150301772
>they can demean me harder daddy
You're very nice and understanding so I'll just say respectfully that might be a you thing

>>150301949
look for real problems, bro

>>150301959
Mice stealing my cheese and dropping anvils on my cat is a serious problem.

>>150301955
I'm just not a snowflake that gets upset by a warning I know HAS to be there in order for us to get the material period.

>>150301949
Remux the shorts then. mkvmerge is literally free.

WHAT COOKING JACK?!

>>150300282 (OP)
Based

>>150301786
>>150301873
Unfortunately, people love to be performative. Our culture has long gone away from being genuinely upset about something. The worst thing is that, even if you leave social media, it infects itself into the real world anyway.

But yeah, this blu-ray sounds sick. Will buy day one.

>>150301786
>we KNOW
>saying that on the internet
>saying that on this site
>in current year or any year
All you need to know is that the warning is to cover WB's ass and wave a no-no finger at racists that don't give a fuck. In fact I wish they wouldn't give a fuck about a few second warning. Everything bothers people and that goes both ways.

>>150300861
>If corporate want them to include them so we get the actual works unmolested who gives a shit what warning they put before it?
Because many times they're still censored

>>150303111
but they're not going to be here...

Stuff like Fantagraphics giving the warning in their Disney books but Disney still forcing them to remove or edit stuff is stupid as fuck, but thats not whats happening here

>>150300861
I never caught them personally but I would be pretty annoyed if I had to listen to Whoopi Goldberg give a short speech about it. Luckily we'll just get a simple black screen with white text, I'm sure.

>>150300282 (OP)
You know, as a kid, I had no concept of "the black help", so it never once occurred to me that Mammy was a maid, I just thought she was the owner of the house and simply liked keeping it tidy, especially if she was a housewife. She even had a bedroom in the house in some shorts.

>>150301786
you pissing your pants over nothing is performative

>>150304940
Whoopi gave a good perspective on the crows from Dumbo and how they ought to be celebrated a lot more for what they DID accomplish in the time period rather than just demonized as "racist" and buried (all but the leader are voiced by an actual black minstrel group rather than everyone being white guys doing black voices, they get to do some fun improv banter, they have the best song in the film, and they're unambiguous good guys in a film FULL of assholes, who help out Dumbo in a clever way by giving him a confidence boost with the "magic" feather).

>>150300861
Racists are angry at being reminded that they're old and their viewpoint is no longer validated.

>>150300282 (OP)
Haven't they already done multiple shorts blurays randomly picking episodes as collections?

>>150305051
Not saying she doesn't have decent opinions about the content, I just want a black disclaimer screen and nothing else, pretty much.

>>150300390
>I'm curious what elements they're using, the original elements of the 40s MGM cartoons were unfortunately lost in the 1965 fire
There's a chance they could be using the elements this guy had. Better than the metrocolor prints than warner had at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN20_vHp4A4

>>150300282 (OP)
The fuck, how did they get that picture of me and why are they using it there?

>>150305124
nah, that's looney tunes

tom and jerry has been released on BD twice; first was a volume 1 of what was going to be a complete series, a cancelled volume 2 which was going to omit some shorts, and a cinemascope collection featuring most of the last shorts by HB.

>>150300390
I wouldn't put it past a jew to just outright lie about that.

>>150300861
Because they shouldn't be included at all and there's nothing wrong with any of those shorts. Enabling this trite behavior by including a warning will only embolden them to push the issue further until the shorts are permanently destroyed and the character eventually banned.

>>150301772
See? This is the problem. You're already saying: "Well, if they didn't include the warnings we'd NEVER be able to see them!"

Yes, we can. They've already been released, the people have already seen them, there's a demand for them, and it's a well known and beloved series. There's no reason we shouldn't have them re-released and remastered and there's nothing anyone would do about it if they were. But you give in to these bad actors, enable their behavior, and suddenly things start to get ridiculous.

Is you is or is you aint mah bebehhhhh

>>150305051
I think the best perspective on that is you shouldn't ever include non-White characters in any media because eventually someone will decide that your media shouldn't be consumed anymore for reasons you could never fathom.

>>150300282 (OP)
I am super happy....... on behalf of those who care. For preservation? Great. I kind of grew out of Tom & Jerry.

>>150300282 (OP)
I’m not surprised Warner is treating Tom and Jerry well, it’s like, the most popular cartoon on the planet, literally, I watched Tom and Jerry on Boomerrang when I was young, I’ve seen IPad kids watching Tom and Jerry, boomers grew up watching Tom and Jerry, the show has huge fanbases in China and India, that show is timeless and beloved worldwide.

Fuck yeah Tom being guillotined in 4k!

>>150300861
because it feel so fucking gay
>B-be careful th-this cartoon is o-offensive and
SHUT UP FAGGOT I JUST WANT TO WATCH THE CARTOON ABOUT THE MOUSE AND THE CAT NOT READING YOUR BULLSHIT

>>150304987
>I just thought she was the owner of the house
Wait, she wasn’t? It didn’t even occur to me until you mentioned it. I just thought Tom’s owner was a black woman. A bit of a caricature sure, but I don’t recall anything giving me the impression she was a servant of a white family.

>>150300282 (OP)
So they managed to find prints of all the old Tom & Jerry shorts? We didn't lose any in the great MGM Grand Fire?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM_Grand_fire

Please say yes.

>>150306912
Unfortunately not. George and Jerry Beck did a special quick Extras podcast about it today and they thought they may have actually found some of the original prints but sadly not the case. They are however using better prints with a better restoration process than what was used for the golden collection vol 1

>>150300282 (OP)
>Chocked against Coyote
I will not be buying this fraud's products.

>>150306155
>>150306157
>>150306860
Exhibit a, b and c. It boggles my mind that we're finally getting these and probably more and a fucking skipable .jpg warning, or one you can remux out, triggers some people so fucking much.

>>150307096
Oh well, can't blame a guy for hoping. Hate to say it but I think advanced AI recreations might be the way to go if the originals are lost/unavailable. Could be that's what they used for the restoration process.

>>150306789
The concept is universal (cats chase mice) and there's almost no dialogue to worry about translating. No surprise that it's endured and succeeded all over the world.

>>150307114
they shouldn't be here in the first place, warning are fucking gay

>>150307198
I agree. However I also live in reality so am willing to just ignore something that doesn't effect literally anything. First thing I'm gonna do when I get the set is remux the shorts and special features and stick them on my nas and I'll never see the warning. If it bothers you so much I suggest you do the same instead of finding inane things to be OUTRAGED about

>>150307250
>Pay for a blueray
>Have to rip it and make modification so I can watch without being pissed of by how gay the modern world is
nah, I will just watch something else then

>>150307297
>Have to
You don't HAVE to do shit. It was a suggestion since it clearly bothers you so much. I personally don't get triggered so easily

>>150306789
The compilation never gets old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqbl2QIYDPg
And William Hanna put his soul on Tom

>>150300282 (OP)
Is T&J good to rewatch?

>>150306789
I used to watch it all the time as a Millennial and there's something comforting about younger people still loving it. Kind of like the cartoon equivalent of Azumanga Diaoh blowing up again recently. Sometimes the kids are alright.

>>150306789
Why is it that, despite the shows universal recognition, nobody can fucking replicate the style of writing in it? Every modern attempt at rebooting Tom and Jerry just boils down to nothing but cartoon slapstick and violence, when in reality there was more to Tom and Jerry’s humor than just that.

>>150309160
No

>>150300282 (OP)
Bump

>>150300282 (OP)
Fucking BASED, day one buy. Love me some Tom and Jerry.

>>150300282 (OP)
Thank you asia market

>>150309531
because the core draw of it was the excessive violence, which simple does not fly in modern works. the Simpsons were making jokes about the values dissonance back in like 1991, and it's only gotten worse

>>150309160
It's timeless humor.

>>150300588
Those were just video letterboxing done by Turner

>>150311116
It's all in the timing and setup though, not just pure "it's violent". The buildup to Tom roaring his head off at the end of Tee for Two is just as important to how funny it is as the actual roaring, and reduced me to hysterics any time I watched one of my Tom & Jerry tapes as a kid.

>>150311683
>the beat of Tom looking down like a moron before it explodes
Therein lies the true funny, not just in thing goes boom.

>>150300480
What about the alternate Fullscreen NON PAN AND SCAN versions of some of the Cinemascope shorts?

You know, they should include a featuratte that shows the edited/redrawn scenes of the "problematic" scenes that were done by Jones and his team in the 60s, hopefully NOT just reciclyng video masters.

>>150311753
but you need that violence to build up. modern T&J doesn't and can't have that.

>>150300390
>Revisionist Kun

>>150300282 (OP)
Honestly it's a healthy approach to "dicy" older cartoons that don't gel with modern people. Just show it, say it was made, put a thing before the short for context, and that's it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_oEOdIBOpU

>>150301924
People very easily forget that Anger *CAN* be addictive.

>>150300282 (OP)
Any idea if the remastering will be any good?
Or am I about to hear about shitty AI upscaling and other shit I've heard from recent 'restorations'

>>150305096
This.

>>150301786
But what if not everyone knows.

>>150301064
Amos n' Andy is in a weird spot. On the one hand, it's racist by modern standards by certain people but on the other it's it's groundbreaking for having almost an all black cast and influenced people like Marla Gibbs and Red Foxx.

>>150300282 (OP)
Nice

>>150313445
Warner Archive tends to be good about the restorations. We'll see how it goes with the ones where the masters were lost but it shouldn't be intentional sabotage.

>>150306789
>>150309193
Disappointed this wasn't the case with WB, Fleischer, and even Disney.

How much will this thing cost? It better not be $200 or some absurd amount. Otherwise it's an easy day one buy.

>Love Tom and Jerry
>Want to watch them in maximal quality
>No blu ray player
I'd normally just ask what the best way is to pirate it but I always want to support the people that restored it if the quality is genuinely that good. Fuck me I guess.

>>150300861
Because they're really just useless now. They stick it on the start of things but still change the contents of the show/movie/etc anyway which defeats the whole point of putting it on there and the people it's supposed to be for aren't watching it anyway.

>>150316550
Trying to figure out from previous releases and I'd guess around $50. Maybe a little more as a premium for the content. Even an 11 disc set like Huckleberry Hound is only at $70.

>>150316647
You know you can buy a blu ray player, right
It's what, 50 bucks

>>150316953
...
Anon, you're a genius.

>>150316814
>but still change the contents of the show/movie/etc anyway
This is Warner Bros. we're talking about. They don't usually do that.

>>150300480
i know that feel bruh

>>150316647
i believe it will get a DVD release

>>150316953
kek

>>150316647
Dude, a PS3, PS4, PS5, Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox one X, AND Xbox series X can all play blu rays. Blu-ray readers for computers are like $80. You don't have ANYTHING that can watch them?

>>150300282 (OP)
>Inb4 they are all AI upscaled
There's yer monke paw.

>>150300320
What's the source? This article just goes on a loop of citing itself as a reference

>>150319355
It's a press release. They posted it on the Warner Archive facebook page.

>>150316647
grab a cheap PS4 off eBay and you'll not only be able to watch Blu-Rays you'll also have a system that has some pretty good games available on it

>>150300282 (OP)
They probably put so much effort into it because it's one of the few collections they can sell worldwide without any dubs.

>>150319133
warner archive never does that shit

>>150316647
BD players are cheap these days, not to mention every console but Nintendo's can play the things. Now if this were Ultra-HD, then those can be pricey, and I think only the PS5 and current Xbox can run those.

>>150300861
they are so fucking dumb.
>be me
>watching popeye on METV toons
>one of those gay little sensitivity warnings pops up
>was expecting You're a Sap Mr. Jap or something like that
>literally just because of a few seconds of a Japanese sub
>no stereotypes, no racist jokes, didn't even show a jap
>just a beaten-up sub waving a surrender flag
trigger warnings are not only useless performative horseshit, they actually tend to condition people to have negative reactions to things they would otherwise not give a fuck about.

>>150300861
The warnings are a symbol of spiteful ideological rot

>>150322305
Spiteful?

>>150321758
Didn't that short showed more stereotypes including a bucktoothed Yamamoto expy drinking gasoline?

>>150305096
>>150313472
Kill yourself samefag

>>150321758
>snowflake needs trigger warning for a trigger warning
the fucking irony

Can we have the Tom and Jerry?

>>150309193
>I used to watch it all the time as a Millennial and there's something comforting about younger people still loving it.
Emphatically agreed.
>>150307174
>The concept is universal
TONS of content that match this description that are lost to time or unknown to younger audiences. It's heartbreaking that the Three Stooges aren't as popular today as they were in my GenX youth.

Kids especially are DROWNING in a sea of massive content. It's hard to pick out the jewels when there's simply so much. There's stuff out there I'd wager many of you would become fans of if you were only exposed to it, but its buried deep IF its even on Netflix, etc. I remember a ton of vintage Disney content that's not even on Disney+. And they have The Muppet Show but are zoomers even watching it? Probably not.

Knowing studios are trying to get the good stuff out there in the best quality possible , and knowing there's an audience of younger folks who are receptive to it is incredibly heartwarming.

>>150316647
>No blu ray player
Blu ray players have LITERALLY been around for TWENTY YEARS now. Bruh.

At last.

>>150324730
project harder