Thread 150844106

bum ass niggas

>>150844106 (OP)
lol

>>150844106 (OP)
What family? Are all indie cartoons the same now??

>>150844473
Glitch picked up Lackadaisy

So this the new Cartoon Network?

>>150844106 (OP)
>>150844655
Can they pick up Mao Mao next? It had potential, too bad CN wasted it

I really don't like how smug Pomni looks so smug in this picture. She literally has no reason to be smug.

>>150844106 (OP)
https://youtu.be/pJ0g_0Kt_Zk
His stuff’s not bad, but this doesn’t fit with Glitch’s target demo

>>150844106 (OP)
sex with Pomni and Mel

>>150844655
>guy who has only heard of one company in his life

oof

>>150844865
This is a humiliation ritual

>>150844865
I've seen this dude's YouTube channel. It's just him making vlog videos to an audience of like 100 or so viewers. He has 4k subscribers so I expected that he'd get more

>>150844865
Great. Dana opened the floodgates for all the industry has-beens to come hat in hand to the NEW industry in their eyes.

>>150844106 (OP)
I miss the newgrounds era where amateurs just posted their shit because it was fun

>>150844106 (OP)
>>150844865
>>150845111
Aarong Long (Sublo guy) was right about the current indie scene

>>150844473
>now

>>150845139
What did he have to say?

>>150845177
Basically made remarks about how the indie scene is slowly becoming the new industry and will soon become what they once tried to escape from

>>150844106 (OP)
Why is every single one of glitch's shows the same damn thing?

>>150845217
Supply and demand.

>>150845195
source? I doubt he'd say anything that inflamatory.

>>150844106 (OP)
It's perfectly fine to tag and congratulate in the hopes of drawing attention to your work but that kind of public begging is pretty cringe.

>>150845301
He quickly deleted it
Deleted snark tweets are always funny

>>150845195
He's not wrong and I fully expect the scene to be even worse because they're more than likely going to fall into a lot of unhealthy traps the bigger companies already created safety nets for from experience.

Don't be surprised when you see Glitch animators letting out dirty laundry 4 years from now talking about how dogshit their pay is and how strict deadlines are, because this always happens when smaller studios try to grow themselves. They're only benefitting a few creators while the rest of the production crew is likely eating shit for them because of desires for being apart of those original works.

>>150845120
The recession is here, anon.
Nobody can afford to have a hobby that doesn't pay anymore

>>150844865
Doing an indie shorts program like What a Cartoon, Oh Yeah Cartoons or The Cartoonstitute is actually a really great idea I don't object to this at all.

>>150844865
Usually whenever I see John it's him not-so-subtly complaining about his time working on Fairly Odd Parents and how much he hates Butch

>>150845344
It's funny and he's not wrong. I've already seen people getting a little worried over the success of Glitch but just don't know how to properly word it out

>>150845356
The time spent on mindless doomscrolling could be used on drawing and animation. There’s no excuse.

>>150845344
Based, true, and checked

>>150845381
They would need to be able to attract mentally ill adults to their shows.

>>150845353
That’s already happened which Glitch once.
They are Australian too, so FairWorks could be onto them if they screw up.

>>150845381
yeah but in practice its... this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIyhuVyxits

Visually or writing-wise, is indie animation even that much different. Did executives really hold them back from their true potential that much

>>150845470
Something like the Gaslight District legitimately could have never existed in the industry without being sanded down into something unrecognizeable. KoG probably would've looked like rick and morty and had more hack writers raping it into a political piece with no room for the artists to just draw cool shit.

>>150845470
I don't think there's any real way TADC would have existed the way it does without the show becoming either fart, swearing and sex jokes or very child friendly that completely does away with the threat of an ego-death

>indie creators see glitch succeed and go "OMG I need to have glitch greenlight me to get money for my ideas!"

>they don't think to just use their business model and teaming up with other indies in their bracket while crowdfunding with merchandise... independently

Niggas want a handout instead of earning their shit.

>>150844106 (OP)
I've seen a TON of people contacting Glitch about their Glitch Presents program trying desperately to jump onto the new gravy-train that just opened up.

The hilarious part is that the response from Glitch to these has been "We're too busy, sorry" (which is just a polite way of saying "we aren't interested in your shit-ass pilot with 20 thousand views").

I expect them to be pretty selective about what shows they bring on for this program (specifically, they'll only go for shows with a large existing fanbase, proven profitability via merch sales, and a fully-staffed animation team ready to go).

Glitch Presents is effectively an animated series PUBLISHING program where Glitch aims to profit from merch sales and streaming service deals for the shows they take on.
They're not taking just anyone, only shows that can prove they're actually able to make money will get picked up.

>>150845547
That’s why they already weren’t doing it, it’s not an industry for self-starters

>>150844106 (OP)
This is probably about as effective as begging a girl for a date. It comes across as really pathetic.

>>150845629
Reminds me of the /hyw/ threads when there was a contest for people to submit their comics to be hosted online. I forget the name. Something about bees or honey. But the funniest part was seeing everyone getting pissed over being rejected. I hope some will be like that after Glitch rejects them.

>>150844720
>Can they pick up Mao Mao next?
Not unless they buy the IP from Cartoon Network. You can't just decide to continue making defunct shows. If it was produced by a network, someone (or some entity) owns it.

>tfw glitch picked up your pilot pitch and you have to be quiet about it for a year
>no one will believe you so have to post it here

>>150844755
I'd hate to say it, but I had no idea he actually had any episodes out. I thought this has been in production for years and figured he'd never put anything out.
The quality is a lot higher than I was expecting. That's an awful lot of animation crammed into a 3 minute short. It's just too bad that it's a high effort attempt at recreating a style of cartoon that very few people have any interest in these days.

>>150845660
fake and gay

>>150845660
I'll believe this post when a show with the protagonist Nathan Higgers gets posted.

>>150845547
This
I'd rather try and fail to make it on my own than to desperately beg for someone to "greenlight" me.
I wanna build my own empire
And even if it doesn't happen, my work is simple enough for me to do that I don't need a bunch of money

>>150845660
Are you a literally who or did your concept have some traction online

>>150845111
...and unfortunately for them, Glitch doesn't take pitch meetings. None of the creators working with them approached Glitch - Glitch found THEM and contacted them with a sweet deal. Dana Terrace, Olan Rogers, Tracy Butler - all of them have mentioned Glitch contacting them out of the blue and making an offer that is too good to refuse.

>>150844106 (OP)
Honestly the saddest one of these for me was seeing Monkey Wrench fans beg Glitch to pick up Monkey Wrench.

1. Monkey Wrench isn't a pilot, it's an ongoing series, which isn't the right target for this program.
2. Monkey Wrench is not very popular, the most recent episode of MW got less than 500k views (379k specifically, with the most viewed episode having only 1.8M views). A tremendous flop.
3. The creator of MW has gone on record numerous times to say that he is BARELY managing to cover the cost of production episode to episode on the smallest budget possible (he's barely getting episode to episode while spending like 60k on each episode by doing massive amounts of the animation work himself).

Monkey Wrench is literally the OPPOSITE of what Glitch is looking for here.
They want popular
They want profitable
They want PILOTS (not existing series already on their 5th episode)

Glitch is not a fucking charity. They're a small business, they're not going to lose millions of dollars trying to promote a show that is barely covering it's own bills.

>>150845710
This.
Glitch has always had a 'don't call us, we will call you' approach to their shows and I don't think this will be any different for their Glitch Presents shows.

It's pointless to try and 'pitch' anything to them, if they think the pilot you put up on YT has potential, they will contact you and make a proposal.

>>150845120
>amateurs just posted their shit because it was fun
yeah. Those amateurs grew up, moved out of their parent's house, got an apartment, and now need to pay bills. And they decided to capitalize on the skills that they have because drawing for a living beats selling peanuts at baseball games.

Amateurs DO just post stuff on newgrounds because it's fun. They're just newer younger amateurs who aren't quite as skilled as the people who have been doing it for like 20 years. And in 20 years from now they'll be trying to capitalize on their skillset too. Crazy how needing money pushes people to start trying to make it.

>>150845381
>>150845452
>yeah but in practice its... this
I was going to say - an animation incubator in the form of a shorts program isn't terrible, but the way this was described makes it sound like the shorts are going to be fucking awful. You don't want to do that sort of thing with people who sign up for a class. You tend to want to hand-select talented animators to be part of the program so you can have some semblance of quality control.

>>150845742
>Growing up
If you do this you will never make it as an artist

>>150845694
Traction online from a few years ago. Worked on stuff with over 10mil views.

>>150845470
>Did executives really hold them back from their true potential that much
yes

>>150845742
I'm in my 30s and I only have one friend who has been able to move out and even then he had to downsize to renting a room to avoid having to throw 2k a month in a fire pit. Everyone else lives with parents even with full time jewbs

>>150845353
Literally Rooster Teeth.

>>150845547
>want a handout
You might notice that the artists that team up with Glitch are already doing their own shit. The people who want a magical indie production company to float down from the sky and gift them a show aren't the people who are actually going to get one. In order to draw interest and attention from people who can help you make something, you need to already be making it on your own.

>>150844106 (OP)
Oof. Oof.
Feeling strong secondhand cringe.

>>150845634
I think you mean it IS an industry for self-starters

>>150844865
That's really fucking bad, man.

>>150845660
If your name isn't Zach or Tara then I don't give a fuck.

>>150844755
It's true he's not making work in the target demographic, but you can't deny the talent. With some work I could see him managing to make something that would align with Glitch a little bett-
>>150844865
OOOOOOOOOOOOF.

>>150845629
>They're not taking just anyone, only shows that can prove they're actually able to make money will get picked up.
As it should be.

>>150845139
I like how you put "Sublo guy" in parenthesizes like that's meant to make people slap their heads and go "ohhhh, HIM."
As far as I'm concerned Sublo just means lo but lower.

>>150845731
>Glitch is not a fucking charity
this. Most of the shows begging Glitch for a handout have nothing to offer and everything to gain. Of course they want some of those sweet sweet Glitch bucks, but why would Glitch be interested? This works for nearly every level of the industry. Artists want to work with managers, agencies, distributors, publishers, labels, etc, when they have no clout, fan base, or substantial work to their name. You work for these people as much as they're working for you. The only people who are going to want to work with you if you're not already successful are going to scam you...they don't intend to make money from what you produce because that's not viable, they intend to make money from you directly.

>>150844865
I respect the hustle but not the delivery

>>150845629
>specifically, they'll only go for shows with a large existing fanbase
Anything that can prove it has actual appeal.

Lackadaisy has been around for so long and has brewed it's story for so many damn long years.. Not only that but it's HAD a fanbase there, supporting the artists for years upon years... The comic's oozing appeal, it's insanely cool and fun... Out of all of the indie cartoons out there, it absolutely deserves Glitch's help.

>>150845757
I did grow up and I am making it as an artist (even in the current shitty job market), but thank you for your input.

>>150845912
You're posting on the resident manchild board

>>150845803
>I only have one friend who has been able to move out and even then he had to downsize to renting a room to avoid having to throw 2k a month in a fire pit
well yeah - most people have to have roommates. It sucks, but that's life.

>Everyone else lives with parents even with full time jewbs
I honestly wish that was an option for me. Must be nice to be able to actually save money.

>>150844865
Oh no no no. This is just sad

>>150845344
Sneering contrarianism is easy, particularly when you don't have to provide examples of "how things SHOULD be done."
Maybe Glitch will one day become as bad as Disney. For now it's a source for animation that just isn't being supported by the big companies. We DO still get gems, like Pantheon and Infinity Train, and then the studios making those seem to find out what their money was spent on and they shut it down immediately while holding onto the rights so the creators can't shop elsewhere for funding. Being able to say "If this all goes to hell I'll still own my concepts" is a huge difference between Glitch and Disney, Nick, or Cartoon Network.

So what about internet cartoons you think actually have a decent shot at getting picked up by glitch? Long Gone Gulch seems like a no brainer.

>>150845887
In an industry full of autists, I think this sort of shit is unfortunately common. People lack the social awareness to understand how fucking cringe this is.

>>150845908
The Glitch brothers mentioned that they were in touch with Tracy pretty much since her successful crowdfund. They absolutely smelled blood in the water and wanted a piece of the action.

>>150845927
>Force everyone to have to live with 4 other roommates
>Get shocked that birth rates are plummeting into the dirt
America deserves its upcoming depression

>>150844865
I'm seeing a lot of people OOFing, as they should, but what does it say about the state of the industry when a guy with a resume like this is basically begging for work?

>>150845932
Also, when Disney, Nick, and Cartoon Network just aren't making anything anymore and rerunning the same shows from 15 years ago, it's nice that groups like Glitch are picking up the torch. At least when the greenlight a show, I know I'll get a beginning, middle, and end.

>>150845965
The ability for the average amerimutt to not only ignore their country's problems but to outright embrace them is insane to me. Everyone just shrug their shoulders and pretend everything is ok. Then when shit finally hits the fan they panic and kill each other

>>150845927
I live with my mom (she likes me living with her, was actually pretty broken up about it when I moved out for a bit).
It's awesome. I barely have to pay anything for room and board, I get free food and other incidentals, and I can just do whatever I want without dealing with housemate drama. Also when my mom dies of old age I'll inherit the house.

I tried moving out. It was awful. Having strangers as housemates is awful and so fucking expensive. The worst part though was the drama and bitching, the stupid clique shit and this one bitch losing her shit at everyone because her boyfriend broke up with her it was like being back in fucking high school all over again.

>>150845954
Well yeah, that's an easy way to tell people actually like it... When they wanna fork over cash for it.

>>150845981
People tend to mistake their complacency for stoicism

>>150845120
Anon, it's not 2005 anymore, most of the artists from the "peak" ng era were teenagers or college kids living in a basement somewhere, of course they had time to draw all night and post shit for free. Every single one of those guys is like 40 now and desperate for money
And the ironic thing is, there still kids posting shit on NG for fun, but the skill ceiling is so high now because there's so many tools and free resources for people to learn how to draw, the chicken scratch flash shit from 20 years ago wouldn't even be a blip on the radar today because there's dozens of 15 year olds who can draw like a seasoned mangaka that eats cigarettes for breakfast lunch and dinner

>>150845731
Should've spent some of that barely-covering-costs money on better music.
And should've had more cute girls. A sausagefest starring a guy with a deliberately annoying accent doesn't make money? Y'don't say? This comes from a place of love, I enjoy MR, but Mistakes Were Made.

>>150845344
Kek, he's not wrong, but he's also leaving out the fact creators at Glitch get significantly more control over their work

>>150845120
This
It feels like hobbyists are a dying breed
Even the young animators want to go head first into monetization

>>150845965
>>150845981
I'm not pretending it's okay and I understand there are major problems with the US. Not all of us are MAGAtards.

>>150846000
I have a job and regularly post cartoons in my spare time
There's no excuse

>>150846013
Good for you but not everyone has serf mentality

>>150846030
>Serf
I make art for the sake of art

>>150845470
>Did executives really hold them back from their true potential that much
Yes and lack of money

>>150846000
Yeah, I can't imagine Salad Fingers even being a minor blip on the radar today. Back then, ANY animation was pretty impressive.

>>150846035
Yeah and I'm sure your fucking peasant forefathers got some real fulfillment out of whittling tree stumps into beavers.
Some people want their art to build some fucking capital.

>>150846001
Apparently $8k goes to music for each episode. That's fucking insane for an indie production.

>>150845981
A majority of Americans have been consistently polled as thinking the country is going in the wrong direction for yeeeeeeeears. People know shit's fucked, we're not ignoring or embracing them, but damn are The Bastards entrenched. Sacklers made a fortune off the opiod crisis, knowing full well what they were doing, and they walked away with little more than a pinky promise not to do it again. Megacorps are a bitch.

Which brings us back to Glitch. It may not be perfect but thank fuck for an option to the entrenched megacorps.

>>150846006
>Even the young animators want to go head first into monetization
Of course a lot of them WANT to, however the people who try to pursue that right off the bat never really go anywhere. The ones who actually end up being able to do it spend several years just making stuff and diligently posting it for free while they build up a fan base so when they decide to monetize, they have people who will choose to support them.

The real ones start off as hobbyists and still are at heart. The ones who are driven by monetization end up becoming youtubers or influencers. They don't actually do the thing anymore - they just talk about it.

>>150846055
>Thousands of dollars were spent on this charmless generic rock theme that plays several times an episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoZWym6_DeU

>comedians thrive more independently now than they ever did corporately
>it took people who make cartoons, an intrinsically comedic medium, this long to figure out they could do the same

>>150846055
only 8k? that's cheap as shit, they probably pay twice as much just their rent

>>150846013
I'd love to see your work if you felt like sharing some

>>150846091
Home Depot theme from Temu

>>150846091
Okay I've never watched Monkey Wrench but holy shit that is so fucking ass.
Yeah seriously dude needs to get someone better on the music if THIS is the quality of the stuff he's putting in there.

>>150846091
>>150846107
Who else would you get to do music like this on a small budget?

>>150846096
>only 8k? that's cheap as shit
you don't know what you're talking about. $8k per episode are like mainstream syndicated animation rates. (They can get higher if it's a big budget production).
Assuming Ockeroid isn't trying to live in an LA apartment by himself, he's probably personally paying somewhere between $1.5k - $2k a month in rent.

>>150846107
Animation: A+
Worldbuilding: A+
Action: A+
Side characters: B
Main characters: C
Sex appeal: C-
Music: F (See me after class)

>>150846091
>Someone paid actual money for this
Unironically there are hobbyists who can and do make better music than this for free regularly.
Like, 8k is fuck all to spend on music but if this is the quality I still feel like the dude's being scammed by whoever he's paying for this heartless slop.

>>150844865
That could've been an email.
A PRIVATE email.

>>150846091
>the theme song of monkey wreeeeeench
>the theme song monkey wreeeeeeench
>we are going to watch an indieeeeee
>show named monkey wrench yeah
>the theme song of monkey wreeeeench
the theme song of monkey wreeeeeeench
>we're going to watch an indieeeee
>shoooooow named monkey wrench, yeah
>shoooooow, named monkey wrench, yeah
>fuck

>>150846091
I'm not a /mu/tant freak, what's wrong with this?

>>150846120
>Who else would you get to do music like this on a small budget?
The people that provided better music to other indie productions? Seriously Lackadaisy had a "oh my god we crowdfunded at the worst possible time" budget and far better music.

>>150846144
That's not answering my question. You're just handwaving saying "oh, they, whoever they are, the ones who make good music, should make the music instead"

what do you actually want them to replace ockeroid with?

>>150846091
Sounds like the menu theme for an off-brand skateboarding game for the PS2.

I know that's very specific but like, that's what it sounds like.

>>150846120
>on a small budget
$8k for music per episode is not a small budget. The overall budget per episode is small, but assuming that the breakdown of costs he posted awhile back is actually accurate, Zeurel could hire almost anyone he wanted. While he might not get the name brand Hollywood A-lister, he could get someone from that A-lister's team who was actually the one making the music.

>>150846151
>we will never have scifi music this good ever again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mCUoUaQsLE

>>150846143
Generic
Low-energy
Fails to evoke emotion

I'm not a music expert either but even I can tell you the basic issue here. I want you to seriously listen to that music and tell me it got you excited, or made you feel anything at all even.

That shit's literally like, 1 step away from being fucking elevator music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um-x-g_jp34

>Time Squad, a low budget comedy show, has a more hype and high energy theme song than Monkey wrench

sad

>>150846120
I'd have to imagine Alfabusa spends in the same ballpark for Hunter: The Parenting music.
Which gave us this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1VypUBTi3o

>>150846174
pure s0vl

>>150846150
I'm not answering in specifics because I don't think one specific person is the only fit. Many people could have done better. I'm not going to say something daft like "you can get the very best music for peanuts" but the fact that other indie animation has managed to do better on the music front seems like a strong signal that he should've shopped around.

>>150846242
Credit where credit's due though, I quite liked this background music. It's a pity the main theme is one of the artist's weaker works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB6QiQaSZtk

>>150846151
I was getting more sex in the workplace during the 80s. It sounds like the sort of thing you'd hear on a low budget commercial you'd find on a VHS cassette where the camera pans over neon pink lights shining through a Venetian blind, a woman wearing a business skirt and shiny black nylons biting her lip and throwing her permed hair back. Then cut to the same woman sitting on top of a desk in an office slowly crossing her legs and a tanned dude with coifed hair and a 3 piece suit walks over and puts his hand on the small of her back. Then she looks directly at the camera over his shoulder and tells you to call her for a wild (phone sex) time while a big yellow number flashes on the screen

>>150846262
>>150846242
We honestly have no idea how much was in his control. It's possible that Zeurel just insisted on really stupid ideas for the music.

>>150846144
can't say I loved electro-swing and dubstep for a show about the 20s, but to each their own. I think A LOT of indies have questionable selections. Let's not make this something specific to Monkey Wrench.

>>150846269
>I was getting more sex in the workplace during the 80s.
Bullshit, it sounds nothing like that sort of th-
> Then she looks directly at the camera over his shoulder and tells you to call her for a wild (phone sex) time while a big yellow number flashes on the screen
...Shit. I can hear it in the background as she says it.

I do not care about laughing at the fag creator or whatever
I just need porn of this guy now

>>150844755
>Uploaded 3 months ago
>17k views
>Previous short uploaded 3 years ago
>5k views
Yeah. Glitch is going to be blowing up this dude's phone any day now.

>>150846242
maybe the guy who did murder drones? I could see more of a synthy approach working for a show set in outer space.

>>150844106 (OP)
Tch, leave the poor guy alone. I'm scrolling through his account and he boosts other people the way he should pretty regularly. Yes this is one hell of an oof, but he seems all right for the most part.

What's the point of creating anything when you know that no one else will give a shit
Animating is all I have

>>150846363
The John fountain guy posted ITT is way worse anyway.
The chicken guy at least does shit while Fountain uses animators for free work in exchange for exposure (I'm not joking)

>>150846367
Unironically buy YouTube views
Nearly every big YT account has

>>150846367
People like that they make
Sometimes an audience of one is what they care about

>>150846363
Yeah, he's supportive of other animators, and seems to be genuinely talented. His throwback style isn't going to have a ton of appeal to the broad general audience, but that last short he released was legitimately impressive all around production-wise. I think he has a touch of the 'tism which can lead to occasional awkward moments like this, but I won't hold it against him. As much as I don't see this sort of post being effective, nobody can accuse him of not shooting his shot.

>>150846367
There is none
Any line given to you is just cope
The main goal for every artist, whether they admit it or not, is fame
I gave up on my dream a decade ago and haven't looked back

>>150846367
Make the sort of stuff you wish was real. Even if it doesn't blow up, you'll be able to see the thing you always wished existed.

>The main goal for every artist, whether they admit it or not, is fame
Sounds like projection

>>150846387
It's usually pretty fucking obvious when channels do that. They'll have tons of views and almost no actual engagement.

>>150846508
Buy comments and likes too

>>150844755
What's Glitch's target demo?

>>150846562
NTA but different variations on the "twee tumblr kid".

>>150844865
I am actually afraid to read this.

>>150844865
OH N-

>>150846006
Its no longer the 2000's when people could(or at least thought they could) get a simple job with no college degree easily that would supply all their monetary needs and even be enough to buy a house.
Animation that is more than just some 5 seconds no sound thing takes time and skill, and unlike back then modern social media "attention economy" is highly competitive. Its no surprise people would mainly seek that path only if they hope it will have payback, given the modern financial situation of regular people.

>>150845974
I think storyboard artists are mostly a joke, most of them can barely draw. It's also like the only animation job in the west that isn't outsourced either so it's hyper-competitive.

>>150846672
Storyboarding isn't really a draftsman focused endeavor. Your job is to convert the script or plot synopsis into a blueprint that allows the other departments to construct the actual show.

I've seen my fair share of gifted draftsmen, illustrators, designers, and even comic book artists make for dogshit boardartists because they don't know how to make things that effectively relay info downstream.

>>150844865
This guy follows me on Twitter.

>>150845843
That show was shit and the 19th century greaser who looked completely out of place like he was desperately trying to replace Murdoc killed it

>>150846705
>19th century greaser

>>150845660
Good on ya, mate. I hope it will be something I'll enjoy.

>>150845660
are you mentally prepared for anons to indiscriminately take a shit on it because they're a bunch of contrarian assholes?

>>150844106 (OP)
Why don't these people make a fucking comic or go hunter the parenting/I really dont wanna be a magical girl and do something way fucking cheaper. You don't need animation to tell a story you can make a motion comic with some animation for more than half the price. Are these people stupid?

>>150844106 (OP)
Who the fuck is ChuckyChickenCartoons?

>>150846785
We always provide our reasons. You sound butthurt over criticism.

>>150846848
>We always provide our reasons
Not always rationally. I haven't personally been critiqued, but there are plenty of autismos and schizos like tribefag, jeffyfag, guy, birchy, and countless nameless anons with an axe to grind

What most people don't realize is that Glitch is no longer indie.
They are paraded around as the flagship of indie animation, when they actually transcended that space already.

>>150846838
>If you want to make music, why don't you just make ray gun sounds instead?

>>150845344
LOL

>>150844106 (OP)
lol, lmao even, why would even Glitch productions want to greenlight something like cucky chicken, the show is nothing but safe-wacky garbage trying to be like safe-wacky writer-driven garbage like The Animaniacs. Spielberg cartoons were just writer-driven cartoons larping as being cartoonist driven and had bts information that reveals how they weren’t as cartoonist friendly like better shows like Ren & Stimpy.

>>150846868
A lot of these people seem to just wanna tell a story and don't give a shit about actual animation

>>150846910
I'd rather watch a three hour marathon of Chickenboy than to see another one of your goddamn posts
Kill yourself now

>>150844106 (OP)
>ChuckyChickenCartoons
>3760 subscribers
>most uploads hover between 500-1000 views
>show is the most generic animaniacs thing without any of the bite
You can't do shows like that anymore and expect people to flock onto it. The target audience for cartoons is completely different now.

>>150846910
You’re a fag, but you summed up my problems with the show, every episode is just a superficial idea of what makes a cartoon a cartoon, and they feel incredibly bland as a result, cartoons are more than just being about slapstick and the like.

>>150846000
Trips of truth. "Good" NG animations back in the day (as in 15 years ago) had 4.05/5 Rating on average. Now it has gone way up to 4.70 and beyond. Competition has gotten so fierce that you have to specialize in something or be left in the dirt.

>>150846910
Nothing you said is true, Ren and Stimpy is safe-wacky garbage trying to be safe-wacky writer-driven garbage, Animaniacs was actually wacky and was made by actual artists like Toshihiko Masuda, Kenji Hachizaki, Takashi Kawaguchi and Kazuhide Tomonaga.

Also Glitch will never pick up Chucky Chicken because it was created by a guy, the IP is not political in the slightest and most of the main characters are guys.

Glitch only makes girls cartoons, and Chucky Chicken is a boys cartoon, and after what happen to The Day The Earth Blew Up Chucky Chicken should be thankful to exist in any capacity.

TL;DR: FUCK GLITCH, DON'T EVER DEAL WITH THE DEVIL!!!!

>>150846065
It's like all those people who created a cult around Yujirou Hanma. It's not so much that he's an underdog like you or I, but rather he's the only one who can beat up all the bigger fish in the pond. This is what Glitch is at the moment.

>>150846863
I also have an axe to grind and I will tell you exactly why you have angered me when I'm attacking you.

>>150845965
>mfw the economics headlines start to include “since 2009”

>>150846973
This. Glitch isn’t going to partner with just anyone who can barely reach a thousand views. They want to invest in big names with impressive track records. The closest that something like that channel might get is a spot on GlitchX, but even that only promotes stuff with some buzz already around it.

Chucky Chicken is better then every Glitch show unironically

>>150847222
They also refuse to partner with anyone who has a Y chromosome, thats why they fired Gooseworx (for being biologically male) after finishing the scripts to Digital Circus as Gooseworx went to Apple TV to create, direct and star in The Savant.

The Savant got pulled from Apple TV due to a C&D with Glitch because Apple wanted Gooseworx to make a live action remake of Digital Circus for Apple TV and The Savant was Gooseworx's way of saying "If you let me make this new IP I will give you a live action remake of Digital Circus".

They even fired Luke and Kevin just because they were guys (Glitch was founded by some SJW bitch Kevin was with at the time they have since broken up), causing SMG4 to recon everything that happen with SMG4 after 2016.

>>150847346
Surely you can back all of this up with sources.

>>150847386
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/150623661
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/150522382
https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1970582186584658097

>>150846091
>Tools In Space
Wait... Is THAT why it's called "Monkey Wrench"?

>>150847405
All of it just links back to the singular x post announcing the suspension of that live-action show, no sources on Goose being fired from Glitch or whatever.

>>150847053
Gaslight district didnt feel like a girl cartoon

>>150847427
That does talk about Goose being fired from Glitch because he now works for Apple TV.

>>150847436
It is.

>>150847346
Isnt Gaslight made by a man too and explicitly just waiting for DC to wrap up so they can go full steam ahead on production. What kinda a weird fucking claim is this?

>>150846089
Adulting numero DOS https://x.com/ChaoticFableEnt/status/1973795803358499245

>>150847451
>>150847452
Tranny (female to male with a duck sourced from Uyghur), and (s)he got fired because Glitch wants no men of any kind, (s)he ended up taking (her)his own like due to getting fired

Also Gaslight District reeks of Monster High vibes and is nothing but a Monster High clone, and Monster High is a girls IP.

Fuck off.

>>150845356
sounds like a skill issue

>>150847483
I've never watched Monster High but I'm pretty sure Gaslight District is not even remotely similar other than the general horror theme. Maybe you know because you watch girl cartoons

>>150845381
>>150845754
Dude's also preying on young, inexperienced artists to do free work for him. "On a budget of zero" is NOT the flex you think it is

>>150847504
Yes, it is.

>>150847443
>>150847483
Oh okay, this is just the resident schizo.

>>150847534
No, not the case what so ever.

>>150845710
To be fair, the reason they approached them is because they had fame online and worked on shows they liked, so putting yourself out there is a way to get noticed by them.

>>150845710
Nothing you said is true.
>>150847571
Debunked.

>>150845356
We're not in a recession right now. But we were in a recession in 2008 and it didn't slow down the newgrounds animation scene at all

>>150845974
A guy with a excellent resume being forced to beg for work is the perfect picture of the current day economic system.

>>150847053
kys famicom

>>150847744
That wasn't Famicom.

>>150846947
Why not suggest writing a book instead rather than a comic then?
Animation is just the medium they chose, for reasons of their own. Maybe because its flashier and easier to get eyes on. Theres many comics and webcomics out there, how many hardly ever seen among the others. Probably even more books and ebooks, even more hardly read in the pile.
Attention economy is something fierce in modern social media, this is not like early 2000's where just releasing a silly videogame cat comic and become big easily to the point of selling merch and having fandubs of it.

>>150847521
Just because you say it is doesn't mean it is. Where's the high school in gaslight district?

>>150846143
It doesn't tell a story or set a mood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TbkY7Jk7bc

>>150845148
>implying
Right, I get Murder Drones confused for Helluva Boss ALL the time...

>>150847895
It's the other half (the monster part) that they're ripping off from.

>>150845974
>>150846672
>>150847718
Guys, he really peaked around 2 decades ago with Oddparent and Teenage Robot. All the other stuff is really mediocre or clearly just a gun for hire. Even Yin Yang Yo, which I enjoyed, wasn't anything super impressive.

>>150846712
That looks fine, the 50s greaser with the leather biker jacket and Elvis pompadour was an annoying anachronism

>>150846091
>>150846166
>>150847909
I agree, the Monkey Wrench theme only invokes one thing, and it's
>look guys we are a show with a theme please like us
Ockaroid can do so much better, so I guess this main theme can be blamed on Zeurels direction.

>>150846845
HOW MUCH DID YOU GIVE HIM

>>150845660
there better be cute anthro girls or I will call your show awful

>>150847950
How are they ripping off "monsters"? That's not something you can rip off. It's a show about zombies. Of course it's gonna be about monsters. What is it that monster high (a slice of life show about monster girls, not just zombies that go to high school) has in common with gaslight district (an action show about zombie gangsters)?

>>150847950
>Monsters is what makes it monster high
Kill yourself

>>150845740
How did the Gaslight District happen then? The creator is not some big shot artist like Dana or Goose. His channel and pilot pitch was tiny and only blew up slightly after the Glitch announcement. The only thing that made the guy stand out is that he worked on Hazbin but that isn't much.
>>150845974
These artists have talent. The problem is that their ideas are shit. Zeurel is one of these types, great technical ability but he doesn't have a good story to tell. If you look at the people e begging, their stuff is nothing interesting and are better off doing grunt work instead of being showrunners.
>>150846562
Autistic gay teens
>>150846838
Because Vivziepop made a super high quality pilot and became a big success and now people think that's a prerequisite to gaining traction. Magical girl pilot sits at 4 million views in 7 months and proves as long as the story is interesting enough, you can get a fandom of your own without going bankrupt.

>>150845936
Probably the Pinkyguard if Luke decides to make it a series

>>150845731
You say that like Lackadaisy wasn’t already funded as a full series and had multiple episodes in the works by the point they got them. And like that show wasn’t also scrambling to get funding despite their kickstarter being a success. Lackadaisy is more popular than MW but they’re just as troubled of a production, if not worse as more people were involved. Not to mention that controversy from way back.

>>150847955
>director of freaking Garbage Boy
Fountain must've really been out of options by then, huh?

>>150847997
Monster High does have zombies in it, plus their plots are 100% identical.
>>150848065
Nothing you said is true.

>>150846091
This is okay. This sounds like the X-MEN theme which people like.

>>150848171
Yeah the Lackadasiy series was already happening, it seems that Glitch just took some rights in trade to use their streaming contracts to get it 30 minute episodes instead of 15
Different scenario because Glitch’s investment is way less

>>150848334
Plots identical how? Care to elaborate, or are you just gonna continue to waste your own time?

>>150845344
Aaron Long is always right about everything he says, honestly.

>>150848402
Idk about animation but definitely media and streaming

>>150845344
This man is 100% correct
The “indie” scene has been co-opted by two major companies now backed by Amazon, and are arguably more of the industry then Cartoon Network or Nick are now. If you are not in those companies you are shit out of luck

>>150845195
They're the Californians who vote their cities into third world countries, then move to Texas because California sucks too much to keep living in, and then demand the same policies, politics, and beliefs be enforced in their new home city.

The industry fell apart because of people like them and they'll turn the indie scene into the same thing, because they'll want all their busybody friends and middle management HR parasites to have jobs too, and running a company is hard, so if they could get veteran executive faggot to run the indie studio for them, and this is all very expensive, so they should really consider getting some investors.... and whoops, it collapsed again.

>>150844865
>>150846135
>>150845887
It really is posting it in public that is the really embarrassing and unprofessional thing, I think. I don’t blame him for shooting his shot on the first place, as sad as it is.

The only possible advantage I can see to doing it like this is that it really does increase the likelihood of getting attention and receiving a reply, but it’s not fucking worth it. Actually, now I wonder if this was an email and if he copypasted it after not getting a response.

>>150848069
>We have SCP at home
I like the visual style but that's about it

>>150848444
Trips

>>150848418
They're also worse because they pay you much less than any of the big studios, despite doing the same or far more work, they have less job security, and less (or possibly none depending on the production) benefits.

It's literally just a worse version of the industry with the only improvement being stuff is "creator-driven". Except in this case, the creator-driven stuff is still curated to appeal to the existing fandoms, and those fandoms are typically the same group of people who enjoy things like Homestuck and Gravity Falls.

They're not some Frederator "What a Cartoon!" channel that'll pump out any idea for any audience and then sees what sticks later. You'll never get something truly weird and artist-centric like Tales of Worm Paranoia. Just a bunch of artists who can't write scripts attempting to do long-form narration aimed at an audience of 20-something year old women who also like to draw fanart.

>>150848418
No, he's wrong, Toei and Bandai Namco Filmworks/Pictures still have more control over the animation industry then the entire western hemisphere put together.

>>150845344
That’s fair, but I think the difference is the current industry is so bad that indie scene, even if it needs to sell out, is better. They only do it to get by, they don’t have absurd amount of money like studios to do this just for profit, they fund projects with that money. And they actually support creators to let them do what they want instead of changing their scripts to make them more “marketable” like actual studios do. Besides, I’m fairly sure Gaslight District merch didn’t sell that well, but it still got greenlit for a full series. KOG stopped being big after its first 10M views and it’s still getting greenlit. So it’s not as if Glitch only works with the biggest shows ever, as GD and KOG clearly weren’t after their 5 minutes of fame.
That being said I think it’s funny how people here call this mentality “based” while also shitting on Monkey Wrench, a project that’s entirely self-funded, operating at a loss but still exists because the creator is passionate about his work. Exactly the type of show Aaron would support.

>>150845344
>”haha the indie scene is so fucked right guys?”
>said the indie creator to a crowd of indie animation fans and artists working on said indie projects
>awkward silence
>deletes tweet
Don’t bite the hand that feeds you

>>150844865
This guy has been just endlessly daily complaining on both Linkedin and Twitter for the last year or so.

>>150845195
Yeah but in the end that is their goal. Everyone making a cool hip indy cartoon wants to sell it, get rich and make a media franchise out of it. Then buy a cool big house in Santa Monica.

>>150845381
>>150845754
Basically it accomplishes the task of getting a decent portfolio piece for some inexperienced people that they can show off. Or cut parts out of to help make a portfolio reel for the individuals that worked on it. Even if it doesn't sell well, still having an animated work that you can bring up is still valuable.

Most people do this while still in school and for a couple years after it too. They usually have to go work on some other group projects to get some extra experience and things to show off made up.

>>150849086
Same. I only really know of this guy because I almost routinely see him on my Linkedin wall bitching and complaining about how bad things are today. And yeah, everyone gets it, things are bad. But I kind of only know this guy as the complaining guy.

>>150845981
>>150846065
America is largely run and controlled by aging elderly boomers who think the economy is just fine, everything costs the same as it did in 1978 and anyone not affording anything or having trouble getting a job are just lazy whining drug addicts that deserve to have problems.

The last few elections were pants shitting 80 something vs other pants shitting 80 something. And the no work holiday aspect of election day means only retirees and jobless people have the actual ability to vote at all. So elections are largely Guy A who only gives a shit about angry retirees and Guy B who only gives a shit about lowest class fucks.

>>150844106 (OP)
It's reaaaaallllly not Glitch's style though. none of their output is in the same knockoff Looney Tunes boat here at all. Glitch seems to want to grab the old Owl House audience.

Generally for most people making content and wanting to make a pitch, they need to know how to make their pitch match the work of the studio they are pitching to.

>>150849391
It takes a certain naivety to even produce something like ChuckyChicken in this day and age, so I'm not surprised that these guys have no self-awareness about what they're pitching here.

>>150847452
GD is made by Nick Szopko. He’s very much a biological male.

>>150847504
Stop responding. Anon is clearly trolling.

>>150844106 (OP)
>>150844865
This is so embarrassing. This is not how "networking" works. This just feels like begging.

>>150844865
>I helped forge them
that was the gayest thing ive ever heard

>>150848678
>Don’t bite the hand that feeds you

>>150845452
I mean, this is just to be expected when doing a "What a Cartoon!" with no budget. You get a bunch of Newgrounds animations, which isn't bad. But it definitely brings out the executive in a lot of people because they can't envision a version of these shorts that looks good, they need to SEE it looking good first before they approve of it. The same reason why AT got rejected by Nickelodeon while the much more polished Fanboy & ChumChum pitch bible was greenlit.

As much as people in the animation community talk about how dumb executives are when it comes to the artistic process, many of them also can't see possible potential, only the visible product.

>>150847571
Consistently putting your amazing work out there for them to find is the way to get noticed. If the work is good (and you’re mildly competent at social media), it will create a buzz and they’ll catch wind of it. They want a team of rockstars, so you need to demonstrate that you’re a rockstar. E-begging for them to give you a shot is not a way to paint an image of success. If you have to tell someone that you’re a big deal, you’re obviously not.

>>150844865
To make it extra embarrassing, he's been retweeting this post every couple of hours since making it.

>>150849613
Normies want stuff like Chucky Chicken strictly, problem is that the hippy ladies who run the animation industry hate cartoons like Chucky Chicken and in Japan it's 20 times worse where you can't pitch original ideas at all (even features are restricted to either Ghibli knock offs, chick flicks and TV adaptions such as Doraemon, Crayon Shin-Chan, Pokémon and Detective Conan, you're lucky if your feature is a manga tie in that doesn't have a TV show tied to it.).

Also MeTV Toons's ratings which are over 20 million views per show is proof that Looney Tunes style cartoons are still in heavy demand for normies; In fact Looney Tunes airings on MeTV Toons gets over 45 million per airing the demand is that high, and the recent Looney Tunes Blu-Ray sales were so high that Sony had to start making dedicated players again they were that high.
>>150849639
Nicole, her dead name is Nicole, she changed her name to Nick years ago once she transition and got her sex change operation, she ended up taking her own life 4 months ago (shortly after the pilot was uploaded) and everyone just moved on with their lives.

>>150847968
Greasers aren’t from the 19th century you retard

>>150849808
We are reaching HelloNeighbor levels of begging, pathetic.

>>150849808
>>150844865
This reminds me of the Hello Neighbor cartoon twitter begging MatPat to do a lore video analyzing the show

>>150849391
>Glitch seems to want to grab the old Owl House audience.
Ew. So the target demo's white girls only?

>>150848402
But Uber is profitable now and even Netflix is making bank (Even though investors are still complaining it was not enough).

https://www.euronews.com/business/2025/07/18/strangers-things-have-happened-netflix-profits-soar-but-investors-are-not-happy

>>150849863
No, just girls and male gooners.

>>150848065
> The creator is not some big shot artist like Dana or Goose
I didn’t say he had to be a big shot. Nick had a teaser for Gaslight district on YouTube which he was working on solo at the time. Glitch found it, liked what they saw, and contacted him.

>>150849875
>male gooners
Specifically the dudes who watch American cartoons. Gay shit like Owl House and Amphibia. The rest just watch anime and play video games.

>>150848444
>>150848531
I think it's a really pessimistic way of seeing things. Glitch's success showcases that anybody with a modicum of money and structure can create the next big animated series if they try. Niches stufff like Tales of Worm will never have wide appeal enough to be "successful" in a financial way anyways, so arguing that projects like it are not going to be made is missing the point entirely. People want better crafted versions of what already exists or versions that pander to the tastes of the creators rather than just what the suits want and it's delivering on that just fine.

>>150845653
Killing a show as a tax write off should force you to lose control of the IP. I hate that shit.

>>150849906
>The rest just watch anime.
Yes, anime like Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan, shows that are just as simple and flat as Family Guy and Bob's Burgers.

>And play video games.
Yes, video games like Mario Kart World and Donkey Kong Bananza.

>>150848171
The huge difference is that Lackadaisy hasn’t already released several episodes. MW did. It’s too late for them.

> Not to mention that controversy from way back.
An absolutely retarded nothing burger that people keep trying to make into something. The whole thing amounts to Twitter retards searching for reasons to be mad.

>>150849808
Jesus christ why is he doing this publicly

>>150849837
>>150849863
Largely, the art school graduates that grew up watching anime. They are more embarrassed about old style wacky gag comedy cartoons than anything else.

>>150849918
But for a long time, the big appeal of independent animation was stuff you WOULDN'T normally see. Stuff that would still have a chance to live despite being passed up because it wasn't marketable enough or didn't fit the brand or "we're going in a different direction" or whatever the reason.

Now it's just the industry, but people are paid way less, have tighter deadlines, and have no benefits. It actually manages to be worse than Japan because at least Japan has a lot of jobs and some job security if you're willing to kill your wrists for a paycheck.

The indie scene is slowly being infected with people who actually wanted to make things to now just looking to sell ideas. Which, again, is the industry but worse.

>>150849978
Other way around, plus Sazae-San and Chibi Maruko-Chan as well as Doraemon and Crayon Shin-Chan are both 1 shot story shows that the plot is finished once the episode itself ends, no on going stories what so ever.

They never shut up about Tex Avery and Bob Clampett.

>>150848636
> KOG stopped being big after its first 10M views
Do you hear yourself? 10m views in 3 weeks is awesome. TADC is an anomaly, not the standard.

>>150849139
> Everyone making a cool hip indy cartoon wants to sell it, get rich and make a media franchise out of it.
No. If getting rich is the goal, there are way easier ways to do that. This is the sort of thing people who don’t actually make shit think but it isn’t true.

>>150849837
>>150849978
There is also the fact that Spongebob has been wildly successful for years. Along with Teen Titans Go and even Big City Greens show that kids still like and prefer comedy cartoons about some goofy character getting into hijinks.

But yes there is a huge issue in that cartoons are being made by adult millennials who grew up in the golden era of anime being really huge in the early 00s. and they are married to this concept of a cartoon not being about anvils and dynamite at all anymore. They want deep plots and characterization in everything but most kids do not care for that kind of stuff at all. So we have been getting a lot of serialized isekai adventure type shows.

People forget Star Vs was at its most popular in the first season when it was a wacky dumb comedy show where she shoots lasers at funny monsters.

>>150848531
I think what the hidden part of indie is it isn’t the creators getting shit, they are actually in a fine place.
It’s that people forget that Dana Terrace or Goose are not making every aspect of a show and animating it. They are leading a huge team of employees in the dozens at minimum
That team has none of the benefits of creative control but worse working conditions, worse pay, and no union or safety net. For everyone but the Danas it is a far worst industry then the actual mainstream studios

>>150850047
Thats nothing, Game Sack and LGR get 1 BILLION views per each video in 10 minutes at most.

>>150848531
Work for a big studio
>soulless globohomo slop
>pays very well and has bennies
Work for Anime/Indie Studio
>work on exciting, original projects
>shit pay and awful working conditions

Why is life like this?

>>150850067
They want to get rich doing what they love.

>>150850089
Working on "interesting projects" is only appealing to the most diehard of artists or newbies fresh in the industry, because at the end of the day, you're still not working on YOUR idea. To most artists, they will gladly work on the boring preschool show for $5k - $8k a month vs. something like Knights of Guinevere for $1k- $2k a month.

>>150849808
Out of touch Gen Xer in a death spiral of embarrassment. Jesus Christ. It’s so bad that I want to die of secondhand embarrassment FOR him.
Seems like he’s pretty bitter that his name doesn’t carry more weight.

>>150850071
It depends on where they are working. Is the Glitch animation team in the US? They are Australians, right? You have to take in account if this team is getting paid well by the standards of where they live, not by US standards necessarily.

>>150850069
But the thing is that it's the same as chasing the golden goose. Yeah, you can make spongebob, yes you can make Teen Titans Go but then they are ALL that there is for the network if it succeed. Having a smaller, but dedicated fanbase is a much more viable and sensible idea on average. ATLA is the prime example of cartoon that was based on anime and it's a massive success to this day despite only having one good run in the original series.

>>150850071
This
The whole indy shift is the same Cali crews moving over to a non union studio and doing the same work but for less money. Something they all would have refused to do and shunned anyone they knew who tried it at any point in the past.

However, they are doing it because the legit studios crapped out and collapsed two years ago and there has been barely any work at all to be had anywhere. The indy craze is really more about people who have been out of work for a long time finally getting some work again in a shiny new place. They are all happily jumping over to the non union indy studio because it means they are working again.

>>150849808
>>150844865
This dude has been working in animation consistently since the late 90's it seems. At least 20 to 25 years of somewhat steady employment. That's a fucking pipe dream for the next generation of artists, but he's acting like he's just as screwed as everyone else. Surely, he should have more than enough saved up to not have to resort to begging for a job, right?

>>150845344
Reading this makes me realize that the indie scenes between vidya and animation is super vastly different and that animation will probably collapse on itself because of how its arms end up stretching into major corporate studios.

>>150850097
It's better to get rich doing something boring yet low-stress than drive yourself insane getting rich in an extremely competitive field.
>t. recent art school graduate who now guards museums for a living

>>150849866
> But Uber is profitable now
At the expense of completely fucking the cab industry and making shit more expensive for consumers.

> and even Netflix is making bank
At the expense of completely fucking the film industry and making shit more expensive for consumers

>>150850112
>$5000 - $8000 a month
Only Toei Animation (because Bandai Namco and Crunchyroll money) and Eiken (Sazae-San's studio) pay that amount of money, most studios only pay around $2000 to $2500 a month, fuck, KyoAni only pays $900 a month due to Kyoto being cheaper to operate/live in then Tokyo, feature only studios like Chizu and Ponoc however pay $4000 a month but thats it.

TMS/Telecom pays $3500 a month before anyone asks.

>>150850000
> have tighter deadlines
That part isn’t true. Indie production schedules are slow as shit compared to mainstream work.

>Streaming competes with cable
>Cable gradually loses ratings to streaming
>Streaming services compete with each other
>Lockdowns start
>Huge uptick in animation jobs thanks to streaming
>Lockdown stops
>Most streaming services collapse
>Cable doesn't recover
>Massive layoffs
>Animation guild rides the coat tails of the writer's strike
>Fails miserably because they have no leverage
>No projects got greenlit during that strike
>Now even less people have jobs
>Indie scene starts to form in the ashes
>Unemployed artists begging for work in the tiny indie scene, regardless of working conditions

So, logically, what's gonna happen after this? Either we've had so much failure that we're gonna have a renaissance of some kind, or the indie scene is gonna try to grow far too fast and collapse on itself because of unrealistic expectations. Which seems more likely?

>>150850089
All work is sort of like that though. The fun place is hard to get into and it pays really badly. But the back breaking shit to work in place pays well.

Even retail
>Walmart will easily give 40 hours a week and pays above minimum wage but the job sucks, the people are shit, you will be tired and hate yourself every single day
>Some independently owned comic or fandom store pays at minimum, can barely make it to 15 hours a week, cannot afford shit, but the job is nice and the boos is okay

Middle income
>Literally slave away at an amazon fulfillment center, easy job to get, can work full hours and overtime can make money
>Comfy job at a desk at a gym or a hotel is still low hours, low wages, but not hard or bad at all. You just struggle to make payments for anything

>>150850191
>Shit more expensive for consumers
Not really, at least not to the level I use of both services. In the taxi analogy, taxis were two times more expensive by default to the consumer because the taxi drivers added the cost of them going back to their usual spot on the taxi fare, so right now the consumer only pays for the value of going from point A to point B. Personally, I must have used a taxi like 10 times in my whole life because it was so expensive for what it was and yet I take ubers consistently. Maybe I buy a blu-ray/DVD here and there.

In Netflix case, I wouldn't have watched the shows anyways because theaters are expensive as hell, cable TV had package deals and PPV crap and digital "renting' like amazon sucks. It's simply still the most practical way to just watch most stuff.

I don't give a shit about taxi and film industries because the market has spoken louder than the structure they made. Adapt or die, which they are doing.

>>150850205
My post was vague, but I wasn't strictly talking animation salaries, but moreso pre-production salaries (storyboard, character designer, background artist) since most of those jobs are still done in the States and those are the people currently looking for work. It wasn't uncommon for a storyboard artist in California working on something like Flapjack to make like, $5k a month at minimum.

>>150850205
KyoAni however had better work standards and treated the workers like actual member of the company, which the usual advantages that it adds in the japanese context rather than independent contractors that can be fired at any time like most other studios treat their lowly animators.

>>150850071
> For everyone but the Danas it is a far worst industry then the actual mainstream studios
Yes, but when they’re are no jobs at mainstream studios, everyone is freelancing anyway. This is regular work for now. Beats unemployment.

>>150850168
That's the main issue with people working in the industry today, and by today I really mean the last decade.

It used to be a decent paying, steady job that one could work for decades and do well in. But post 08 recession studios started getting incredibly cheap, cutting hours down to bare minimum. And all of a sudden any level of studio work was a 5 week to 10 week temp gig only. And you had to advertise yourself on Twitter and Linkedin daily in hopes of getting another gig before the money ran out.

It has been going on for so long now that animation work is not really considered a career field, it's more of a fun thing people do for a few years before the move on to teaching. There is no long term carer projection in it, no one can make a good living doing endless temp gigs a few times a year.

>>150850252
That ended once the arson attack happened where KyoAni couldn't afford to do that anymore.

>>150850221
>>150850000
This. Indies don't have to rush their production and most likely you'll see more indie projects actually done rather than rush jobs we see when a big studio cancelled a show abruptly.

Even that image you showed was another pitch and never became its own thing and the reason was not because it was too obtuse, it probably was because it was too expensive to animate all that on the quality it needed, on the schedule they wanted, on the budget they had. Same thing with Korgoth and Adult Swim. Yes, it looked great, but AS at the time only gave minimum budget to shows and Korgorth would have spent most of it in just a handful of episodes.

>>150850226
Streaming and Cable are owned by the exact same people though. Cable died because the owners wanted it to die and set it up to fail so they can launch their streaming platforms. They legitimately thought streaming was the amazing new wave of the future and wanted all customers to subscribe to them for exclusivity.

Cable did not die because people decided to move on or they preferred streaming as a platform and new technology. Cable died because the studios kept removing content more and more and more, moving all their projects over to their streaming services until the broadcast channels consisted of 1-2 shows spammed 24/7 and customers became sick of the single show each channel aired every day. It was a self inflicted wound to coerce people into subscribing to a new thing.

>>150850097
Realistically, they want to make a living by monetizing skills they’ve honed through their art. Most artists who have been at it for any length of time know they’re not getting rich and that work isn’t the same as art. Gig work isn’t really a “love” thing. It’s a “I can tolerate doing this without wanting to kill myself” thing.
The love and passion is what you do on the side.

>>150850309
That's a massive revisionism and hindsight thing. Netflix was the defacto innovator in the market and all the cable companies played catch-up, at least in the US. Hulu got a nice foot-in around the same time, but it took years for that pillaging to actually happen and cable was already on a death spiral because people simply enjoyed having on-demand entertainment rather than having to wait for specific weekdays or time to watch what they wanted. The cable companies sped up the process when they saw that the model "worked", but it was already in process when they made that decision.

>>150850226
Indie just means do it yourself. Even if the big indie studios collapse, the concept of making your idea a reality and it going viral is never going to go away unless the internet ceases to be. There's always going to be someone posting something online that goes viral

>>150845111
Dana's debut show won a Peabody and she did some collab work with Gorillaz, she's not a has-been.

>>150850183
If all you need is a paycheck and a place to come home to at the end of the day, sure, it's not a bad life. But there's a high when you can lose yourself in your work. You waste days on things you end up scrapping and still keep going. You get up 3 in the morning because you can't sleep, don't go back to bed until night, and dream about what you're working on. It comes together, and it's a wave down your spine, and you think nothing can ever top that, until somebody sees what you've made and gets it.
Some people would rather bet everything to chase that, fail, and die in a gutter at 40. They aren't better or worse than you, just different. To them, even if failure is certain, a few years of living is more appealing than decades of staying alive.

>>150847592
Goose, Dana and Tracy have all confirmed that GLITCH came to them first.

>>150850168
He's just as screwed because he ultimately applies to the same job pool, but has to go up against a whole new generation of boarders who learned what he can do in a fraction of time due to technology.

>>150850226
The end result is to basically replace cable with something that functions exactly like it as a singular entity one stop shop, that costs about as much as cable. Around $100-120 a month.

Streaming is failing because it is too divided and most people only subscribe to 1-2 at the most. The model every studio assumed was that every single cable subscriber would also subscribe to all streaming platforms simultaneously too. That never happened. This is also why shows are failing, they only get about 1/3-1/5 the amount of viewers since 60% of viewers do not subscribe to the platform that show is streaming on. Whatever show it is they are talking about at a given time, most people do not have that service.

So the answer is to pool everyone together into a single super service that overwhelming majority of consumers subscribe to and basically replace cable in every single way with a brand new...cable 2. This era of everyone gets their own service for that easy $10 a month thing is a miserable failure. No one has enough of a catalog to make a single studio service worth a damn to anyone, or at least not worth it for 6 or more months. Everyone gets sick of a single company in a short period of time.

>>150850373
That was from a parody site, that isn't real.

>>150844865
yikers, I can stomach cartel execution videos but never people doing shit like this

>>150850366
>They aren't better or worse than you, just different. To them, even if failure is certain, a few years of living is more appealing than decades of staying alive.
t. recent art school grad that has no fucking clue how the real world works at all

>>150850384
>Streaming is failing because it is too divided and most people only subscribe to 1-2 at the most.
No it's because the subscription model isn't sustainable to make a profit. Original content is expensive and the subscription model ain't enough to make any money back. Not to mention the costs to keep it all running throughout the world. The PPV model would've worked better.

>>150850408
Rich people are so romantic

>>150844106 (OP)
passive aggressive, they are

>>150849808
Wow its even worse

>>150849808
It really depends on whether Glitch is fine with bringing all of this on board

>>150849685
>>150844895
>>150845887
>>150846135

>announcing your work is le cringe!!!
You guys will never achieve anything of value if you don't do this to some degree.

>>150852938
This is not how you promote your work dude. This will never work. This is essentially lighting yourself on fire to feel some warmth. It's a spectacle that is all anyone will remember you for.

The indie cartoon scene isn't for people who want to actually utilize the benefits of independent art making.
It's for people who just want to get their big dream show off the ground then sell it to a network and become famous.

>>150844865
this bum ass nigga asked for my student animation portfolio and then ditched me when I actually sent it to him

since then the people he "mentored" have already moved onto other things and i've already recruited one his mentored artists onto my own project

>>150844655
Frederator, i mean MondoMedia, i mean Machina, i mean …

>>150844865
>groveling publicly for a job while using passive aggressive HR powermove phrases

This is pathetic

>>150850226
who gives a shit, there will always be a steady stream of slop to watch for you anon

>>150849808
Jesus man this industry is rightly
Fucked right now isn’t it, that someone with this much experience has to resort to e begging of this caliber?

>>150854891
He's from the "It's not WHAT you know, it's WHO you know!" generation. They're all moochers.
Creative industry would be better off if being an autistic shut in didn't matter and you just got hired based off your skill. Hell that's what its basically like in anime. You don't need a great personality or a clean track record, if you can draw then you can fucking draw.

>>150845344
They hated him because he spoke the truth.

>>150846150
If Zuerel wanted shitty garage rock, he I ironically could have gotten Johnny Geolli for 8k, who has his own fan base and is known for doing small projects like this
https://youtu.be/xXNTd-pgKVc?si=-Dk2rl6PRHNXsotL

>>150850181
It's easier for a small team to make a game than it is to animate a full series. It's the unfortunate reality. Animation takes a lot of time and is expensive af.

>>150850168
>>150854891
He’s behind the times because he’s been employed so long. Ten years ago Twitter was still animation’s LinkedIn where such shamelessness from a vet sounds cringe but not desperate.

>>150854891
Devil's advocate but it could be possible he's just a pain to work with and got blacklisted.
If what this thread is saying is true and he's just luring animators to work for him for free in exchange for "exposure" he doesn't seem like that great a guy.

>>150855118
That's exactly the kind of baggage they might have to seriously consider.

>>150855118
Judging by his antics on twitter, he seems like an angry old guy that wants to bitch and moan about how he's not considered so special these days.

>>150853285
This,

so many people have danced around this a little bit, but this is what they are all doing. They all want to have their pilot made and then become huge so they can be rich and popular.

>>150844865
>Zig-A-Zig AH,

>>150849808
damn

>>150855038
>Animation takes a lot of time and is expensive af.
How bout Blender and UE? Would they make the difference?

>>150854949
I feel that stems from how nowadays YOU are supposed to be the brand too cause of para social relationships. There are plenty of people who just post their art and you'd never know jack shit about their lives or opinions cause they want to stay sane. Some people try to build a 'connection' with their audiences which launch into weirdos thinking they're your friend all cause you said you liked a movie or game they also enjoy. It's sadly expected for you to over share on order to get somewhere now which is why alot of creatives eventually start streaming at some point.

Your work isn't enough and it's gotta be you too.

Which fucking sucks.

>>150844895
It's not a "humiliation ritual" if absolutely no one forced him to do it. He did it himself for no reason.

>>150844895
>>150856305
He seems way more desperate to get back into things really badly. He might be another one of those animators that is long term out of work and wanting something.

Just about every single time he says anything he wants to remind the viewer that he has 20 yeas of experience. Even his video begin with him talking about his 20 years of experience.

>>150856305
Humiliation fetish

>>150844865
People over the age of 45 shouldn't be allowed to have social media accounts

>>150844865
>asking for a job is embarrassing
this is why all of you are NGMI and probably incels too

>>150845936
The black magical girl series? The artist already has a huge following and the animatic pilot got around 5 million views. A properly animated (and rewritten since the writing was the weakest part of the pilot) pilot could do really well. The series itself is pretty merchandisable too.

>>150855483
Every person has to become a brand.

>>150845649
are u talking about hivework comics?

>>150849808

you didn't need to post this. his death was already complete

>>150845344

I couldn't bring myself to watch his fucking mudshark cartoon anymore.

>>150852938
Posting about your work is one thing. Tagging famous people or companies is another. And not taking their non-response as a hint and continuing to repost the same thing is supreme cringe. That is not the way to make headway in a career

>>150854949
Being able to actually work with people is super important. Drawing is all well and good but if you sperg out when edit requests come in, then you’ll ultimately cost the group time and money. That compounds if you have multiple “duds” like that. Luke Weber could draw, but he couldn’t work with other people.
The network is basically the personality test. Other people vouch for you and say “yeah, I’ve worked with them before. They’re solid” or “I’ve worked with them, they were a huge problem. Don’t bother”.

>>150855437
No

>>150855483
This is the most exhausting part of trying to get any kind of artistic traction on social media. It’s even worse that now social media is tied directly to job openings moreso than portfolios now, so you practically have to do it at least a little bit. I just wanna post my art and have it be liked without dancing and jingling keys at people

>>150853518
>MondoMedia
Still pissed they lost the rights to that weird korean cg cartoon about sewer bugs who fart on each others tongues and ended up deleting all the videos. Shit caused some of my first boners

>>150844865
I don't think this guy really grasps how to communicate through social media. If someone does not respond...then they are not going to respond.

>>150846672
Wasn't he like the main character designer on Invader Zim?

>>150857348

Almost certainly. I don't recall the contest anon is referring to, but there was a time where Hiveworks was very much in the position for webcomics that Glitch seems to be in now - if you're affiliated with them, you've "made it" in the indie scene. Of course, Hiveworks is just a veneer for a circle of webcomic friends boosting each other with the backing of a company that does web hosting services. They have a sham admissions process and post about their supposed standards for affiliates (regular updates, etc. which many of their core creators fail to follow by the way), but nobody who was not already associated with the core comics (via friendships or cross comic collabs) ever actually joined via application. Sometimes Hiveworks would reach out and absorb something already super popular (like Awkward Zombie), but the general webcomic public was not welcome despite many struggling webcomic authors desperate to join for the signal boost.

It's been years since I checked in on the webcomic scene so I have no idea how things are doing, but I would expect Glitch to have a similar "don't call us, we'll call you" policy no matter what they say publicly. It just false hope.

>>150847405
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Chastain

>>150858257
I don't think they have an actual official policy as much as they are fucking fatigued by about a few dozen people trying to get their attention publicly, and another thousand schizos posting their whole cartoon/anime pitch idea to them since they are a popular well known name right now.

>>150844106 (OP)
>>150844865
Is this going to influence a wave of artists varying in age and internet status to beg for Glitch to fund them?

Good god no, calm down. That's not how online animation works.

>>150858119
... come again??

>>150846091
sex with vulcan babes

>>150859850
I also jacked off to todd goldman's show where the black cat tries to kill the cute little white one. I didn't fap to the guro though, just the scene where the black cat's corpse gets flushed down a toilet bowl full of loli poop

>>150846091
menu theme for an early access top-down shooter whose dev "mysteriously" vanishes before the game leaves alpha

>>150844865
>>150849808
I remember this guy backstabbing Butch Hartman publicly and essentially claiming credit for early FOP being good (He did make Action Packed, a great episode, but its just one of many). That's probably the reason he can't get work. Despite the e-celeb smear campaign about Butch, his name still carries weight in the industry, and nobody likes nor trusts a turncloak especially not one that does it so public for mere twitter clout points.

Hirsch the hack daddy did something similar, leaked a bunch of inner-company communications just to make a non-point about censorship, when Gravity Falls got away with a lot. Who is going to hire someone who is a known snitch?

>>150859485
>Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.
Fuck off.

>>150860345
I have never heard of this guy or seen him before he just sort of appeared on twitter around last June. But all I have seen from him is complaining about other various names in the industry and constantly repeating how he is some great and wonderful influential cornerstone of animation as we know it.

He just seems like some jaded angry old guy to me.

>>150844865
I love watching these out of touch oldheads embarrass themselves

Suffah you fuckin relic

>>150849719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJEZUj_0lic

>>150844865
>have a friend who works at glitch
>they definitely have seen this
>general response was pic related
its over

>>150850000
>industry but worse
Saying that over and over doesn't make it true. We're not hearing any stories of creators told to utterly change their creations, while giving up rights. Daron Nefcy's "Star vs the Forces of Evil" pitch - a pitch she'd been tweaking since she was a kid - was about a head-in-the-clouds pre-teen gradeschooler with a vibrant imagination, who went around imagining herself as a kickass magic girl warrior princess but at the end of the day was just a dweeby kid. Disney looked at that and went "make her older so there'll be romance, and also the magic stuff is real so she really is a magical girl with a wand, and also put in Lore, with an extended story." And Nefcy made some money but watched her creation turned into something very different, complete with an ending where Star committed genocide, and Nefcy lost her rights to the character.
Maybe in the land of rainbows, endless green fields, and free pots of gold* you can make a show that's true to your vision, keep the rights, and now have to worry about funding. But Glitch operates in a world where things need to be funded, yet they still stay hands-off enough that the creator is still owner and doesn't have to make changes except for financial limitations.

*(The land of rainbows, endless green fields, and free pots of gold is Ireland btw. They just made universal-living-wage-for-artists permanent)

>>150844865
>>150849808
If there was a way to get hit up by Glitch, this ain't it. I think you'll lock yourself out of it with this.

>>150860345
>Hirsch "snitched" about standards and practices being humorless Karens
Do.
Do you have any fucking idea how common that is.
Goddamn Zoomers pissing their pants and going "um, he broke the unwritten rules by saying sometimes his bosses were dumb." I blame conventions getting more taken over by megacorps. That and the loss of DVD commentaries, used to be you could throw on a show, press a button, and hear staff going "oh fuck, this bit, the damn censors were especially retarded here..."

>>150846562
It is certainly not loony tunes, which is what the clucky chicken show feels inspired by. Glitch shows atp have lore or stakes to drive up tension later and coomer bait to get people excited.

>>150859810
>Is this going to influence a wave of artists varying in age and internet status to beg for Glitch to fund them?
It’s already happening. The industry is only getting worse, so people are resorting to this as an easy ticket when I doubt Glitch would want to spread themselves too thin.

>>150862443
It’s a short trend for now that will die out after a handful of artists make asses out of themselves. Unless Glitch picks someone up as a result of this, the behavior won’t be incentivized and the e-begging will subside.

>>150862377
Digital Circus and Gooseworx jumping ship to Apple TV will like to have a word with you, they sued Gooseworx for trying to make a live action version of Digital Circus for Apple TV and as a result had to take off Gooseworx's new IP for Apple TV (The Savant) until the legal drama is taken care off.

Glitch does take ownership.

>>150846697
Fart on him lmao

>>150849808
what sucks is that I totally get where he's coming from, cartoony cartoons are almost a lost art and I get he wants to make it a thing again through Glitch, but fuck this is desperate, especially since he's a professional in the industry

>>150862669
MeTV Toons is changing that.

>>150862568
This is such a weak limp wristed attempt at rumor milling that doesn't even make sense, get out of here with this shit dude this is gay

>>150862669
I went to his profile and he's insufferable. Any time someone pointed out how desperate this came off, he always had a smarmy comeback and a lot of passive aggressiveness. If Glitch did see this thread, they sure as hell wouldn't want him on the team. His pilot isn't even that good yet he's constantly asserting himself as the reason why the shows he worked on were forged by him and dunking on Butch Hartman for clout.

>>150862692
metv shows are just syndicated shit they can get for pennies and put it on repeat in the old folks home wtf are you on about

>>150862704
The Savant is a real show.

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/150623661
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/150522382
https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1970582186584658097
>>150862708
They wouldn't hire him anyway because he is a guy.

Glitch did hired 2 trannies but one (Gooseworx, male to female but did not get nether the top or bottom surgery... yet) got fired for being biologically a man after he was done with Digital Circus' scripts and went to Apple TV as a result while the other one (Nick, formally Nicole who did get both top and bottom surgery and got her dick harvested from a Uyghur because growing stem cells off of a mouse/rat to make a functioning dick is expensive) killed herself a month after her pilot got uploaded due to getting fired for masquerading as a man (Glitch only wants women as they fired Luke and Keven for being men (Glitch was founded by a woman Kevin was dating at the time), taking their Stupid Retarded Mario videos with them, scrubbing out off of the Glitch OCs and reverting the Stupid Retarded Mario videos to what they were were before January 1st 2017).

>>150862741
We're talking about MeTV Toons, not MeTV itself; And those programs MeTV Toons got cost quite a bit to license.

They also get at least 20 million views per show (over 40 million on average) so the demand for cartoony cartoons is still extremely high.

>>150862778
Jessica Chastain is an actress and has nothing to do with Gooseworx. The show is created by some random jew who also has nothing to do with Gooseworx. Gooseworx is not omnipresent and operating under multiple aliases despite what the angel speaking to you through your microwave may tell you.

why do industry threads always devolve into schizobabble
these kinds of threads used to actually be pretty great when people who for real worked in the industry would chime in

>>150844755
Ah, rubberhose autism.

>>150862812
Jessica Chastain is character Gooseworx is playing in The Savant of which he also created and directed, we don't know if Gooseworx is Jewish but it's clear that Glitch doesn't want him around because he is biologically male and Apple TV is giving the respect he deserves.

Gooseworx needed to make the jump to live action, Digital Circus will work much better as a live action show but because of legal issues between Apple and Glitch they had to remove Gooseworx's new show from Apple TV (The Savant), all because Apple wanted a live action remake of Digital Circus that is designed to last more then 1 season.
>>150862813
There is no schizobabble in this thread.

>>150862827
No retardo, this is what normies want, MeTV Toons is proof of this.

>>150862844
The savant is down because it had antifa being the good guys. And trump has declared antifa are terrorists. So the savant contradicting the president is bad optics.

>>150862889
Not the case, the show never brought up Antifa nor Trump once as the show was just about stopping cyber bullies.

>>150862844
Dude you're delusional. I'm not saying that to insult you but you genuinely have a delusion. This theory isn't reality, just a basic fact check shows not a single thing you're saying is true. None of the facts present are enough to even put together a logic chain for what you're talking about. You are actually, legitimately, truthfully mentally unwell. I'm saying this out of compassion here cause I don't want you to fuck up the free time you have to think about shit to be warped with delusions,

Please go get medicated, or at least go hyperfixate on something else that'll actually improve your life. The world doesn't need more people making up nonsense about a bunch of hollywood losers.

>>150862903
No, you're delusional, Gooseworx was suffering through Glitch and moving to Apple was the best thing that happen to him, everything >>150862844 brough up is 100% true as proof was given.

You are the mentally unwell one who needs to be put on meds, Gooseworx did the right thing by jumping ship to live action.

>>150862903
Dude, it's a troll. He is just pretending to be insane to get (you)s.

>>150862926
Not a troll, what is being posted is the god's honest truth.

You on the other hand are the troll in this thread.

>>150862916
Dude you're not making any fucking sense. I can just google Jessica Chastain. She doesn't look anything like Goose, and Goose is a fucking trans person making cartoons I guarantee they would never in a million years want to be anywhere near a fucking camera as an actor. Anyone with a crumb of common sense could tell you this. Saying "NO U" doesn't stop any of what I'm saying from being true.

Glitch just fucking made a pilot from a pro lgbt activist creator (dana has been vocal about how she disagreed with shit disney was doing regarding this) why would they suddenly out of nowhere have a problem with goose now for being trans. Literally none of the shit you're talking about with glitch's history has ever happened. Its ignorant nontruths at best and a really unconvincing series of half truth lies at worst. Come the fuck on man why are you wasting your breath with something so fucking retarded.

>>150862932
If your god is telling you this shit than your god is a retard, got it.

>>150862934
>Come the fuck on man why are you wasting your breath with something so fucking retarded
because he is deeply, severely mentally ill. stop giving him attention. treat him like you would the schizo panhandler outside the gas station.

>>150862849
Normies are rubberhose autists.

>>150862962
Not true. I think for a while the assumption was that stuff like looney tunes is universal, but I was babysitting some of my nephews and put it on and they couldn't be more fucking bored man.

>>150862934
>>150862934 is a Barneyfag post, but I'm responding you you anyway because you can't keep on lying like this.

I am making sense Barneyfag, Jessica Chastain is a character Gooseworx is playing, cis women don't look anything like the character of Jessica Chastain because that character is being played by a tranny (look at the jaw bone and Adams apple, cis women don't have those at those sizes).

Gooseworx wanted to make live action shows but because Glitch only made cartoons he had to make Digital Circus a cartoon.

But since Gooseworx got fired from Glitch for being biological a man (on top of finishing his scripts for Digital Circus) he want to Apple to make the shows he wanted to make since the beginning, but because Apple wanted a live action remake of Digital Circus Glitch sued and it caused The Savant to get shelved because it was Gooseworx's baby that he created, directed and stared in.

You're the one who is lying in this thread.

Dana was hired strictly because she is a woman, the hippy ladies at Glitch don't care about the LGBTQ+ activist shit as long as they're a cis woman, thats why they fired Gooseworx and Nick (formally Nicole) who the later killed herself for masquerading as a man.

Everything that was brought up is 100% true, you're the one who is lying because you're upset that society moved on with out you.

So in short; SHUT THE FUCK UP BARNEYFAG!!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!! (pic related)

>>150862947
>>150862962
No, no the case what so ever.
>>150862967
>Troll post.

Also... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcWM_1hBu_c

>>150863013
I don't know what the fuck barneyfag is.
Jessica Chastain's a real actress who has fuck all to do with gooseworx or glitch. Her connection with the savant show is pretty cut and dry, and there's no reason to think there's some secret spy shit going on.
Goose has made cartoons since before glitch and there's zero indication that she ever wanted to make live action stuff, ever, full stop.
Goose is still employed by glitch, to the point that she's mentioned in the oney video she was on that she bought a house recently, so they've obviously treated her exceptionally well financially.
Glitch is run by two asian guys, this woke dei girl cabal thing isn't even lining up with reality.

Get it through your head. You are ruining your life thinking about this retarded fake shit that doesn't matter. You are being false to yourself, you're deteriorating your sanity. Seek help.

>>150863053
BarneyFag is who you are, don't play dumb.

Jessica Chastain is a character played by Gooseworx, she is not a cis woman.

Gooseworx didn't make cartoons before Digital Circus, we been over this before.

Gooseworx also got fired by Glitch for being biologically a man, if he was still at Glitch The Savant wouldn't even exist because Glitch rejected the idea when he was still at Glitch.

No Gooseworx home video was ever posted.

The 2 Asian guys (Luke and Kevin) were fired for being biological cis guys, taking their stupid retarded Mario meme videos with them and retconning everything those video did after 2016 as 2017 is when Glitch was founded by a woman Kevin was with at the time and they started doing the lore shit everyone hated.

You're the one that is ruining your life thinking about this retarded fake shit that doesn't matter.

You're the one that is being false to yourself and is deteriorating your sanity.

You're the one who needs to seek help.

>>150863013
Continuing to seethe about MLP being on the same level as Barney is kind of silly nowadays since we have Bluey and even the occasional Paw Patrol thread on here

Let us ignore the retard.

So how about those robots?

>>150863120
You're the retard in this thread.

>>150849808
I unironically hope they block him and say nothing just to see his response

>>150863104
>Jessica Chastain is a character played by Gooseworx, she is not a cis woman.
So you're just denying reality. One's a fucking middle aged redhead woman and the other's a scrawny trans girl with a completely different face. These are not the same people and the actress being connected to the tv show isn't a character.
>Gooseworx didn't make cartoons before Digital Circus
So you're inventing a fake reality now because this is demonstrably not true, she's got a whole channel and a body of work.
>Gooseworx also got fired by Glitch for being biologically a man, if he was still at Glitch The Savant wouldn't even exist because Glitch rejected the idea when he was still at Glitch.
An unrelated show existing has no impact on this unless you're deluded with your gay theory
>No Gooseworx home video was ever posted.
You can google her face she's been posted online before
>The 2 Asian guys (Luke and Kevin) were fired for being biological cis guys
they were literally in the last fucking update video that came out this is just not true, neither is the rest of your weird headcanon

Everything else you said is limp NO U shit or doesn't make sense, still don't know or care what the barneyfag shit is about.

You are a homosexual fairy who believes in rainbow cloud make believe nonsense

>>150844106 (OP)
I watched a few videos of the chickenfag and they actually have impressive animation. Sucks nobody is watching them though. I feel like he's making cartoons for an audience that just doesn't exist anymore.

Stop replying to thread that's being raided by fakies!

>>150862932
>>150862947
*God

>>150863192
oh my god bruh

>>150863189
No, you're the one who is denying reality, Gooseworx died his hair (digitally to keep with the show's consistency) for the roll as the faces are identical, Jessica Chastain is a character played by Gooseworx, end of story.

Gooseworx did music and wanted to score live action TV shows before he did Digital Circus.

The 2 shows are extremally related.

We already did, the faces between the character and actor match 1 to 1 (cis women don't have jaws that big).

Luke and Kevin were not in the last update, in fact the hippy ladies at Glitch have just been uploading the cartoons and not talk about production in the slightest in over a year.

Everything else you said is limp NO U shit or doesn't make sense, I made sense because I posted the truth, you just keep on lying BarneyFag, we know it's you.

>>150863217
Oops, sorry, wrong thread, meant to reply to https://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/283056194/

>>150863223
The only fakie in this thread is you and you alone.

>>150863192
>Next TADC episode has Jax read these tweets verbatim and laughs at him

>>150844106 (OP)
You either die an indie studio or live long enough to see yourself merged into a corporate conglomerate.

>>150862844
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Savant
>The Savant is an unreleased American crime thriller miniseries created by Melissa James Gibson
Melissa James Gibson is not Gooseworx. Gooseworx's name is Cooper Smith Goodwin. These are not the same people.
>Jessica Chastain as Jodi Goodwin / The Savant
Jessica Chastain is the actress. The character is named Jodi Goodwin. Jessica Chastain is not Gooseworx; she is an award-winning actress.
This series has nothing to do with Gooseworx whatsoever.

>>150844865
This would be fine if it was a private message/email.

>>150855437
No.
Unless you want everything to look like South Park or done by AI, animation will always take time. Even all those "Family Guy ripoffs" still take months to push out singlar episodes.

>>150863337
No people named Melissa James Gibson or Cooper Smith Goodwin exist as you just made them up, Gooseworx never posted his real name anywhere, even when he was at Glitch the hippy ladies as well as Luke and Kevin only knew him as Gooseworx and Apple only knows him as Gooseworx.

Jessica Chastain is the character Gooseworx is playing as, no such character named Jodi Goodwin exists in The Savant.

Also Gooseworx has never won any awards, I know Digital Circus is uninspired by it's not Razzie material, it's just uninspired and meh.

Also that Wikipedia article only talks about Gooseworx this and Gooseworx that and "The Savant got taken off of Apple TV because of legal issues with Glitch Productions over The Savant being used to launch a live action remake of Digital Circus without Glitch's involvement.".

I'm sorry, please stop making shit up.

>>150863442
Alright I'll give you points for getting me to reply multiple times. I thought you were genuinely mentally ill.

>>150863493
This guy is mentally ill >>150863120

Do you think she regrets opening up the floodgates for every aspie with a pitch deck to spam glitch about making their show?

>>150849808
>I think @MatPat would really like this one

>>150845111
I can't wait for next move where she has some other flag break all over her and ends her completely, she is already a has been and will turn into was/were

>>150863503
I think Lackadaisy is more to blame.

>>150845781
>10M+ views indie series
there's like, 3 of them on the face of the planet.
it's either satina, indie cross or MAYBE space king
i would have said double king, but that one has quite a few views more than 10M.

>>150863549
I doubt its this since the creator works on smiling friends now

>>150863549
>space king
they're too politically incorrect for their audience.

>>150863603
Wait
No fucking way

>>150863607
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkHrFn4Fx6Q

Don't hate me.

>>150844865
>>150849808
Has asking for a job publicly like this ever worked? I don't doubt he's a man of credentials but this come across as unprofessional. Could've simply sent a private message or something.

>>150863673
>Less then 10,000 views
Viewership count is nothing compared to this which is at 10 BILLION VIEWS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QfOHqclnLs

>>150863549
I could see Indie Cross, obviously not Indie Cross itself, but the creator could probably make an original title that fits in Glitch's wheelhouse

>>150863797
>Created by a cis man.
Not going to happen.

>>150863813
give it a fucking break man

>>150863192
Jesus Christ, he just keeps going.
This is like the scene in Swingers where the MC keeps calling a girl and leaving messages on her voicemail trying to explain why his last message wasn’t weird until she finally tells him to stop calling.
So
Fucking
Cringe

>>150863192
The thing that makes this cringe is the little bits of passive aggressive remarks. He could've just said "Wether I get involved or not glitch is a positive force in animation". Instead he adds that "inasmuch as I can discern" like he's in some position of superiority to judge them badly. Whether he means that or not, that's what it comes off like.

Which is such a fucking weird tone to take on people you're trying to reach out to collaborate with.

>>150844755
kek I didn't expect to see a nig chicken

>>150849856
I thought the exact same thing

>>150863864
A shame that this had to be public, because if they refuse, then that means his followers might turn against them. This whole situation is awkward.

>>150844865
am I autistic? I don't feel anything while reading this and the replies seem overblown.

>>150863938
>overblown replies
>the replies are simple statements pointing out that this would have been a better as a message between the two and not something posting publically, or a reaction image.
Yeah, you're autistic, but not for the reasons you listed.

>>150863938
>>150849808
i take it back

>>150863938
Begging for a job publicly like this is a faux pas, and guarantees you won't get hired.

>>150849918
>Glitch's success showcases that anybody with a modicum of money and structure can create the next big animated series if they try.
Glitch's success shows us that you need to overinvest in every project by producing all the of the merch months in advance so it can be sold on the same day the new episode premiers, and hope that the hype and a burst of instant fandom around 1/10th of a show will make people buy in right away so you can continue to bankroll the next waves of merch to coincide with future episodes.

>>150864018
>>150864038
i understood that part, I was moreso referring to everyone cringing really hard at it.

>>150849808
>>150844865
>>150863192
>tfw you actually like this guy and were rooting for him just to see him drop spaghetti like this

>>150862419
0% chance the S&P people care, either. They know their job isnt popular and they're not there to be liked.

>>150864048
Yes, that's how they finance the series to continue. If they fail to market and merch it, the money for production ends. Thank you for explaining the business model Glitch uses and showcases how it does require a modicum of money and structure.

>>150864048
AKA the shit they did in the darkest days of the 1980s.

It's that the day John K got exposed as a groomer the industry went back to the hellscape it was in the 1980s.

>>150864079
>>150864085
It's a marketing and promotional model that doesn't work for indies who can't afford to have the warehouse space, let alone production costs of making dozens of t-shirts, plushies, keychains, and other shit. The point being that Glitch's approach doesn't work for every indie and doesn't show that the indie scene can work at all. The exact opposite is what actually happened and it shows that the only way animation exists outside of the industry is by making a smaller version of the industry.

>>150863704
Do we have proof he didn’t send a private message and this is his reaction to not receiving an answer?

>>150863864
I don’t like posting anything publicly, let alone in a business capacity, but if I did I’d be terrified of sounding too buddy buddy with basically anyone in case they get canceled tomorrow. I dunno how any of you kids do it.

>>150844865
Though this is an incredibly embarrassing post, I can't help but feel for him.

>>150864085
John K wasn’t doing anything of note for more than a decade before he got exposed.
Him getting exposed was the best day ever for John K dicksuckers because now they all have a scapegoat to point at whenever someone criticizes him. Instead of acknowledging that his career went absolutely fucking nowhere after he was rightfully fired from Ren and Stimpy for being a shithead, they just say “you just don’t like him because of the allegations”. Fuck no, he was a hack before, after, and regardless of what he did.

>>150864395
Not true.

>>150863192
>It's not like I want you to hire me or anything b-baka

>you will never create anything of value
>you NGMI
>stop laughing at my precious boomer

>>150864051
I AM autistic, got documents proving so back when I was 14. And i am cringing that this, that is how bad it is. If you are not it may mean super autism.

>>150863311
This, this was the whole discussion in the last Glitch thread when people asked how they think it might end. This is it. They either go along for a while and then fizzle out when their output stops making money. Or they are bought out by one of the big studios and they mostly disappear into the big studio's subsidiary catalog.

>>150862692
Is anyone younger than 35 watching that? It's broadcast tv, how many kids are watching broadcast tv?

>>150865008
Yes, million of people under 35 are watching that.

>>150862669
I'm seeing a lot of what >>150846000 and >>150856568 said, this guy has likely been out of work for the last couple years when the animation bubble burst and now he is a mix of desperate to get back in in some way, and not particularly skilled at social media networking.

>>150863704
I get the impression he is shouting out loud in public like this due to the fact that private contact and DMs have not seen any response. Again looking like desperate action from someone who has run out of options and money.

>>150862708
This is what I saw when he kind of appeared on twitter a few months ago. Consistently repeating how he was some amazing figure in animation, the core reason multiple Nickelodeon shows were successful, with a hefty amount of shitty comebacks and snark in the replies when anyone says anything to him. He seems like a bitter angry old guy that is pissed people do not listen to him.

Around July he had multiple rants about other bigger names in the industry and how bitter and angry he was about not being as popular as them.

>>150862813
A lot of them do show up and try and be informative but then they are immediately attacked by the local schizos who want to appear "knowledgeable" about the industry and rage when someone contradicts them with actual info. So they are eventually annoyed to the point of leaving.

Glad to see Craig snd Lauren not doing this shit

>>150863192
>>150863279
Next episode will have some new character of an old guy in a fedora constantly sending the crew messages about why he needs to be there too and how they can benefit from his experience. He shows up randomly throughout the whole episode and is ignored or shoo'ed off by the characters each time.

So is the best course of action just to make some comics/animated shorts just for fun while supporting yourself through other jobs?

>>150865148
Yeah, because they're enslaved by Netflix just like Hirsch.

>>150865170
Yes, it sucks but animation is not a main job.

>>150865170
I can't get a "regular" job
Not even Walmart replied to me

>>150865170
How are new animated shows going to get made if they're busy working full time on other stuff?
I feel like this is how nepocunts take over industries

>>150857720
the problem is that there's no clear way to enter networks. so as they become more important it shuts out everyone else.
the only way to get work and build experience and connections is to already have experience and connections.

>>150863864
I noticed that too, and it's pretty much the opposite of how almost anyone in the tv or film industry communicates. They all have a solid foundation of congratulating and kissing ass as much as possible. Most would come in with a few lines about how amazing and innovative Glitch is and how they do such a great job, etc etc. Make their peace asking for a job, then finish it up with a few more congratulatory lines about how they hope Glitch is doing the best work out there, keeping the industry lights on and thanking them for their time, etc.

This guy seems to come in acting like he is already their superior, and they should just go ahead and recognize it. I have never really seen anyone do that when directly contacting a studio before.

I'm wondering if he is particularly looking down on them for not being affiliated with any large LA studio. Like Glitch must be made up of a collection of students and nobodies who are looking for some industry leader's guiding hand to make them great and attach them to a big name like Warner or Paramount. (I worked for a small game studio that had a lot of that shit going on. Every single old guy from a big name studio immediately thought less of everyone there and assumed everyone was a total amateur that graduated college about 6 weeks earlier)

>>150865211
Are you Indian? If you aren't then that's why.

>>150865290
Walmart doesn't hire jeets they hire Mexicans and trailer monkeys

>>150865211
Same

>>150844865
WHICH ONE OF YOU FUCKERS DID THIS!?

>>150865216
I never said new animated shows, I said shorts or comics. I bet that if you have a decent job and can manage your time, you could get some work done

>>150844865
This hits twice as badly when you realize that HR golems unironically believe that this constitutes reasonable human behavior.

>>150865811
Yes, and how will shows be made if everyone just settles for shorts while working a full time jewb?

>>150865272
>(I worked for a small game studio that had a lot of that shit going on. Every single old guy from a big name studio immediately thought less of everyone there and assumed everyone was a total amateur that graduated college about 6 weeks earlier)

Oh that hit home for me in a big way.
I work for a small game dev studio in Texas and last year we hired an older guy who was freshly laid off from Lost Boys who came in and proceeded to treat everyone here like they were first day amateurs with no experience whatsoever. Despite most of us had worked elsewhere before, and even then we have been working here for at least 4 years as well. He managed to also get one of his buddies from Lost Boys who did the exact same thing. Treated everyone like a dumb student or child playing big game maker job guy.

There is a huge amount of looking down on others for working in smaller unknown studios and treating them like it's a collection of first year fresh faces who are actually looking to get their foot in the door of a big time AAA place.

>>150864112
Merch stuff can be outsourced easily or you talk to companies that already do it, like Shark Robot. Youtubers have merch like that all the time. You are overcomplicating an issue that has been "solved' or at least catered to for decades already. Hell, nobodies on the middle of nowhere patent and make their own stuff in the US all the time. Maybe not right now with the China tariffs and such, but it has been greatly streamlined in recent years.

>>150865803
Kek

>>150865896
Anon, I’m not saying they should always makes shorts or settle, I’m saying it’s better than nothing and a good way to build up your skills and to network and shit. You don’t need to be such a doomer

>>150864112
When every other small youtuber is able to sell plushies of themselves, that simply isn't true. It just sounds to me like you're too unwilling to understand that times have changed and merch is easier to make more than ever.

>>150865983
I think you just need to shut the fuck up before you piss me off because it's pretty clear you don't know a damn thing about nothing you little pissant

>>150866497
NTA but you sound butt hurt

>>150866497
What's wrong, realizing that the world has moved forward and you got left in the dust chasing a system that hasn't worked in decades?

>>150865170
Always has been, you can go way back in the /ic/ and /3/ archives and find anons bitching about the industry whether they're in it, outside, or beyond it with their own work. The classic recommendation was to keep the lights on with a day job, even better if you use the art school money for a degree that gets you a day job with flexibility.

>>150866751
So then what then while we do that just let nepobabies take over?

>>150863575
Most people who work on indie stuff also pick up work on other productions. You gotta make a living somehow.

>>150866847
You still don't get it? There's nothing for them to take over, the 'industry' as the only divine method of making art as a job tm is a farce and there's no better example than the rise of these 'indie' production houses. They have to start somewhere anon, and it could happen if another group gets off the ground with a successful production. No nepotism required.

>>150863704
Putting feelers out sometimes helps tap the network and can result in conversations that lead to something. Not with Glitch, but for creative work in general. You have to play it kinda cool, though. His repeated posts and increasing annoyance at not getting a response comes across as extremely desperate and that’s not a good look.
It’s like a single person mentioning they’re back on the market - saying it once is fine and may result in some DMs from interested parties. However, if they’re constantly complaining about being single it tends to send up red flags and people start thinking that perhaps they’re single for a very good reason.

>>150844865
Yeah....

The zoomer company mostly staffed by mid 20 somethings and LGBT owners who basically built themselves up from actual nothing all on their own, are going to really want this 55 year old boomer who already acts condescendingly towards them on board!

I'm sure a lot of people in their meetings were constantly mentioning
>You what we REALLY need is an out of work angry old white guy that thinks he knows way more than all of us combined to tell us what to do!

>>150865245
Yes, but breaking in isn’t a secret. It just takes work. You start on unglamorous projects. Student films are a great way in. They’re often looking for extra help and when they exhaust fellow students as resources, they’ll look to the public. You work on a handful of those and treat it professionally. Do good work, be sociable in the slack or discord channels, and follow the people you work with on social media. Work on a few projects the same way. You’re building a network. When opportunities for smaller non-student or indie gigs pop up, those people tend to talk about it on social media, so you apply to those positions. You keep working your way up the food chain that way increasing your portfolio, skill set, as well as network every time. By the time you’re hearing about the bigger mainstream industry gigs, you have a solid portfolio, a proven work history, and likely already know several people on the production who can vouch for you.

>>150865920
The majority of legitimate indies do not have the money to outsource and pay for a third party to manage their merch sales in a way that would actually be profitable in any way towards to the production of more episodes.

>>150864395
B-But he made Cans without Labels !

>>150865983
Can't fund the production of even a single pilot on makeship plushie sales, retard.

>>150864112
You’re right and the anons busting your balls are stupid, loaded, or both for ignoring your main point about affording the cost. Industry moving into this space is already having a gentrification effect and changing audience expectations, Glitch succeeding is not proof that unconnected indies ever stood the same chance

>>150856709
begging for a job publically is cringe. if he just emailed this pitch to them, it would be based and hustleculture

>>150865983
>>150865920
The point that a lot of people are missing is that Glitch does the work ahead of time. The merch is designed and they have samples ready to go with merch photos and ads to deploy at the same time as their pilot drops. Most indies just put their short out, then start thinking about merch which needs to be designed and proofed, then start trying to push merch, etc. It takes months and the more time that passes, the less interest there is.
Glitch has all that stuff ready to go so they can push merch while interest is at its highest.

>>150867362
Having a product line from initial planning stages, to design, to shipments ready to hit Walmart shelves takes about 15 months.

A company like Glitch has to have things planned out far ahead of time to have merch ready even somewhat consistent with the release of the media content. Or else they run into the problem of putting merch out so long after the fact that audiences don't care and have moved on.

>>150867238
NTA but it’s not a secret to you because you’ve been online seeking that advice since 1989, doesn’t mean its obvious or easy to learn to outsiders

>>150844865
But why? Why would anyone want to hire a man publicly known for trashing his fellow artists and being a PR flight risk?

>>150867141
Add to this that his cartoons and ideas don’t appeal at all to glitch’s main demo. No one wants to see a plain rubberhose cartoon without some edgy shit

>>150867479
Anon, these arent secrets these are just basic common sense stuff, working up the ladder is present in a lot of fields of work

>>150849685
>feels like
It is definitely is begging dear anon from a day ago.

>>150855038
It's less that it's easier to make and more that it's easier to turn a profit with. People don't buy cartoons, they just stream/watch on youtube and then maybe buy merch of the cartoons; people *do* buy video games and then they can *also* buy merch of the video games.

>>150844106 (OP)
>check out his Twitter
>see some cool art he retweeted
>artist is Arab
Damn pretty neat
https://x.com/maaytaartist/media

>>150868037
That was said earlier in the thread about the OP image. Ir's just absolutely nothing like the style of any Glitch series. So there is no scenario where it gets picked up by them.

>>150844106 (OP)
Wow they really are the new Adult Swim now huh?

Where every Idea Guy comes out of the woodwork to see if they can get this studio to make their dream series all for them. Then every half baked schizo shows up pitching or begging to have their pilot made too.

>>150845660
hey Speedo

>>150845660
I think I saw one or two youtube pilots that Glitch mentioned, so good luck if that was one of yours.

>>150868666
Oh I didn’t notice
>>150868665
Kek really?

>>150844865
Am I tweaking or is this AI written

>>150845629
if they already have a sizeable fanbase and already make enough money for a corpo to give a shit, then why do they need Glitch

>>150863864
>>150865134
>>150865272
>>150867141
>You what we REALLY need is an out of work angry old white guy that thinks he knows way more than all of us combined to tell us what to do!
this is exactly the energy this dude gives off. He keeps fluffing his own feathers to posit how incredibly important he is to everything he's ever touched. Stating your experience and doing a handful of name drops is one thing, but the way this guy sucks his dick definitely gives one the impression that if he were to be hired at Glitch, he'd see it as his duty to try to teach people how things are "really" done. He sees the economic viability of organizations like Glitch, but he doesn't give off the energy of someone who would take it as an opportunity to pivot in his career and learn something new.

>>150845965
move to the midwest

>>150867820
what did he do?

>>150846173
back then cartoon guys knew your show could live or die based on how hype the theme was

>>150867479
>you’ve been online seeking that advice since 1989
I've been cracking away at this for maybe 10 years and that's about as long as it takes for this shit to really start paying off. Nobody told me how it's done. I just got sick of sitting around waiting for things to magically happen.

>doesn’t mean its obvious or easy to learn to outsiders
This is what people talk about when they say you need to be a self starter. If you want people to spoon feed everything to you, you won't get far. You need to look at your problem, break it down into components, and then figure out how to solve each issue. If you need more work experience, a better portfolio, and a wider network, then it's up to you to figure out how you can get that. How you go about that constantly changes. Stuff that used to work doesn't work anymore. Finding creative solutions to those issues is part of being a professional artist.

The same thing applies to actual creative work, btw. If you need a paint by numbers tutorial for everything, then you don't have what it takes. Look at your problem, break it down into parts, and then use creative problem solving to figure out how to tackle each step.

All that said, both you and I know that even though I spoon fed the exact way to break in to the industry to you, you won't do it because it's hard and it takes time and a lot of fucking effort. It's much easier to bitch about
N E P O T I S M
instead of actually doing the hard work it takes to build a network and proven track record.