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Does it have a chance at getting picked up?
Anonymous No.150892449 [Report]
no
Anonymous No.150892453 [Report] >>150892568 >>150936693
>>150892441 (OP)
Genndy put $500 in it after being told he could fuck cartoon characters if he wanted to so yeah
Anonymous No.150892470 [Report] >>150892558 >>150892588 >>150893661 >>150895109 >>150897783 >>150902956
>>150892441 (OP)
What are the odds of Pan doing pic rel?
Anonymous No.150892558 [Report]
>>150892470
High.
Anonymous No.150892568 [Report]
>>150892453
No he didn’t.
You can’t even get the most basic facts right.
Anonymous No.150892588 [Report] >>150936981
>>150892470
Pan’s been pretty quiet in general. If someone actually succeeds in begging their way into a Glitch deal, I could see him going for it, but otherwise I think this is a step too pathetic even for Pan.
Anonymous No.150892641 [Report] >>150925981 >>150936711 >>150941411
>>150892441 (OP)
He needs to stop dating fat girls/troons and then casting them as his depressed fat loser girlfriend who keeps failing at art, just so his character can put his arm around her and say ‘its okay youre a loser, because you and i are a couple’ a thousand times (aka negging and belittling someone into believing they are worthless without you)
Also the entire OC sector of the internet is batshit confused. Not only do they invest their naive artistic hopes and dreams into what is ultimately an imaginary friend they say other people aren’t allowed to draw or draw certain ways, but then Pan actually turns around and proudly depicts this overcrowded trash heap of immature combatants like its an actual social scene and natural thing to do
Anonymous No.150892658 [Report] >>150893493
the doesn't need more hideous cartoons
Anonymous No.150892681 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
He literally doesnt know how a face is put together so he obscures that with really transparent claims of ‘style’ when in actuality he doesnt know what hair looks like or that people have temples on the sides of their forehead
And his girl character has a massive tangent right on her big eye
Anonymous No.150892761 [Report]
No one cares about your cartoon, Pan. Fuck off.
Anonymous No.150893193 [Report] >>150893219 >>150894372 >>150894636
>>150892441 (OP)
He got overshadowed by the other pilots. This is a bad time to get into indie animation everyone is doing it so the competition is fierce right now.
Anonymous No.150893219 [Report] >>150893244
>>150893193
>He got overshadowed by the other pilots
LMAO
Sure that was the reason
Anonymous No.150893244 [Report]
>>150893219
His pilot is bad, his voice acting sucks, he voiced too many character. There are lots of reasons for why it failed. But had this pilot released during a time indie cartoons were rare he would have had a way better chance.
Anonymous No.150893266 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
Lol
Anonymous No.150893271 [Report] >>150893407
>>150892441 (OP)
Is it not getting animated on its own?
Anonymous No.150893407 [Report] >>150936730
>>150893271
Pan doesn't have the money to fund this. He's hoping it gets picked up so he doesn't have to worry too much about the cost.
Anonymous No.150893493 [Report]
>>150892658
Learn to spell
Anonymous No.150893661 [Report]
>>150892470
>Thank you for your time,
>Zig-A-Zig AH
How do you do fellow kids?
Anonymous No.150893699 [Report] >>150894016
>>150892441 (OP)
Pilots are either supposed to be a rough first draft that gets reworked into a whole show, or if they are good enough, used as episode one and jumped off from there. Pan has no chance of either of those things happening because he's already redrafted the concept several times already, and as a first episode, it's fucking garbage.
Anonymous No.150894016 [Report] >>150894772 >>150895387 >>150911835
>>150893699
The self-funded indie pilot released on youtube is a double edged sword.
On the one hand, it can show networks precisely how your idea would look in finished form so you don't have to rely on them getting the idea from your pitch deck.
On the other hand, they tend not to like things going public before they have a chance to meddle. If the pilot is only viewed privately, they could potentially push/pull things to fit their brand better. Once you publish it on Youtube, options are slightly limited.
They're also looking at market viability. If you're pitching to the network, they have to guess how viable your idea would be. If you release the pilot on Youtube, they'll be able to see precisely how viable it would be. Hazbin was picked up largely because execs saw the explosive demand. Kiana has allegedly been in talks with networks for her "Pretty please I don't want to be a Magical Girl" for a similar reason. Lackadaisy allegedly had interest from mainstream networks from the moment their pilot dropped (and it eventually lead to them pairing with Glitch).
Loki IRL was released a month ago and has 416k views. That's not bad for youtube, but it's not the sort of numbers that are going to get networks excited to offer a deal.
Anonymous No.150894062 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
zero
Anonymous No.150894112 [Report]
If Pan Pizza keeps a humble budget then he'll be alright.
There's SOUL in jankiness. And the main theme of the story about being a struggling and mediocre artist resonates with a lot of people.
Anonymous No.150894130 [Report] >>150894304
One thing that really bothers me that I haven't heard anyone talking about - Pan's use of the term "full bleed" clearly indicates that it's something he thought sounded cool, but has no idea what it actually means. Did he just look up random design terms and pick something that he thought sounded badass? His usage makes no sense in context.
Anonymous No.150894304 [Report] >>150894441
>>150894130
I assumed "full bleed" means something like "getting real", because real creatures bleed or whatever.
Anonymous No.150894372 [Report]
>>150893193
This is the best time. If you're idea is good, you will get an audience because most of these pilots, like Pan's, suck. There is no good enough hook with most. Black magical girl was just an animatic and it blew up. Meanwhile Monkey Wrench is pissing 60k away with each episode.
Anonymous No.150894441 [Report] >>150894916 >>150895057
>>150894304
It's a design/printing term which just means that the design goes to the full edges of the paper instead of having a blank margin around the sides. He uses it to indicate being "extreme", but considering what the term actually means, it's pretty lame.
It's like if they were cooking instead of drawing and he said "Let's take it to the AL DENTE!!!!" Cooking pasta less so it has a bit more chew to it doesn't indicate any level of hardcore-ness. It's just something you do if you want slighly chewier pasta. If you don't know what "al dente" means, it might sound cool, but otherwise it doesn't make sense.
Anonymous No.150894511 [Report] >>150894734
>>150892441 (OP)
Mango ruined his life and then fucked off to Ukraine to take mad slav dick lmao
Anonymous No.150894610 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
Simply off the art-style being incredibly unappealing and ugly, no.
Anonymous No.150894636 [Report] >>150897727
>>150893193
on the other hand, people are actually paying more attention to indie animation now, and there's an audience actively seeking out new stuff.
The problem is that a ton of "studios" are cropping up and they're all sensationalist ads with promises of what they want to create, but they ultimately go nowhere.
Shockwave Animation may be one of the worst in those regards. They put a lot of effort into social media blitzes and they have like 4 "shows" supposedly being produced, but they haven't actually done anything. It's a major red flag when a brand new studio talks about all the stuff their working on but don't have a single fucking thing to show for themselves. If you go to their website, they have a 1 minute reel of random rough animation and that's it. But for awhile it seemed like they were "announcing" a new project every other month.
Anonymous No.150894734 [Report] >>150894758
>>150894511
which slav dick wants that non-binary looking thing?
Anonymous No.150894758 [Report]
>>150894734
that's what i'm wondering too
Anonymous No.150894772 [Report]
>>150894016
There's also the social media buzz that they can count as a metric. Loki IRL could have stumbled into a few million views, but if no one is talking about it and no one fucking cares about it after seeing it, the studios can easily see that in a few hashtag searches or google trends checks.
Anonymous No.150894916 [Report]
>>150894441
Ooh I see.
>Let's take it to the AL DENTE!!!
Kek, I'd watch that.
Anonymous No.150894930 [Report] >>150936626
so was the mortal kombat show fake the whole time
Anonymous No.150895057 [Report] >>150897754
>>150894441
It was said before in all the previous threads, but it's really obvious that Pan has no fucking idea what he's talking about. He's the quintessential internet critic who knows jack shit about the medium he's spent his life talking about. He didn't study any animation. He doesn't understand art or cartooning. He's piss poor at character design. He's not a well-known or popular artist. He's not a big name in the OCT scene, or even in that scene at all. And the worst part is that he doesn't want to get better or learn anything or actually improve. He just wants to have his stupid high school idea turned into a cartoon.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150895109 [Report] >>150897779
>>150892470
He's not that desperate considering he has a side gig with his YouTube channel.
Anonymous No.150895208 [Report] >>150895238 >>150896078 >>150896114
Remember when Pan used to go live and cry about the Ruby Gloom girl and said something to the effect of “sometimes all you can do is cry and masturbate.” And cried the entire time. I thought it was a weird joke but all the podcasts revealed him to be a huge sad loser
Anonymous No.150895238 [Report] >>150895321
>>150895208
well... he literally has an alt twitter account called "cryingwhilenutting" where he draws NSFW of his own characters
Anonymous No.150895321 [Report] >>150895333
>>150895238
>crying while nutting
Ok this has to be a weird sad fetish
Anonymous No.150895333 [Report]
>>150895321
everyone knows about pan's humiliation kink, he's probably getting off to this very thread since he's a /co/ browser too
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150895387 [Report] >>150895427 >>150898593 >>150898822
>>150894016
Another thing i would like to add is that YouTube pilots also have easier or harder times getting picked up depending on who created it.
Using Pan as an example, i don't hate the guy, but realistically, if their are executives who are interested in Loki IRL, how many of them would be put off after finding out he's a porn addict who gets creepy around goth girls?
Don't get me wrong, he's not as bad as the likes of John K, but after the likes of John K executives would be more cautious of who they accept.
Anonymous No.150895427 [Report] >>150897860
>>150895387
>who gets creepy around goth girls?
kek i remember a friend of Valbun's in a previous thread saying Pan used to harass her constantly with lots of creepy dms and she was freaked out by it. the mental image of that is hilarious if true
Anonymous No.150895474 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
His art doesn't work for animation and the concept doesn't make any sense.
Anonymous No.150895496 [Report] >>150895530
>>150892441 (OP)
No, it won't get picked up because it's overly ambitious and would require too much money. It's multiple different animation styles operating at once, claymation, CGi, rotoscoping, CEO's would prefer that you pick a lane and stay in it. You'd only be allowed to diverge occasionally which would probably mess up the kind of diversity that Pan wants for his world
Loki IRL would work better as an indie series rather than a show with an inconvenient timeslot on Adult Swim
Anonymous No.150895530 [Report] >>150895642 >>150898755
>>150895496
You just described Smiling Friends.
Anonymous No.150895623 [Report] >>150895681
>>150892441 (OP)
Never. Even if Pan had a decent idea(he doesn't) he literally has zero job experience managing and coordinating the multiple teams of people needed to run a show.
Anonymous No.150895642 [Report] >>150896155
>>150895530
Yes, It's the comparison I had in mind when making the post.
Pan would have to do what Smiling Friends does, one CGI or claymation character (or 2) per every other episode and I don't know if he'd simmer down the aesthetics of his world for the sake of budgeting
Anonymous No.150895681 [Report]
>>150895623
pan is so passive that he let his freelance animators delay animating a 3 second cut for Loki for an entire year. imagine him managing an entire team
Anonymous No.150896078 [Report] >>150896114 >>150896630
>>150895208
I remember following him on tumblr years ago and there's so much pathetic you can handle before it becomes annoying, only reason I didn't unfollow was because he posted about underrated cartoons
Anonymous No.150896114 [Report] >>150896176
>>150896078
>>150895208
I feel like he doesn't have to feel like that much of a loser. I don't know what his finances are like but he really does have fans, he's something of a self-made man doing what he 'loves', isn't he? Now I know loneliness can be uniquely debilitating and depression is co-morbid with lack of ability to meet or connect with people, but yes a miraculous change of character and to quit acting like a desperate and negging sadsack would be a fix here
Anonymous No.150896155 [Report]
>>150895642
And lets be real, Smiling Friends cuts probably the biggest corner of all, drawing and animating, due to its sarcastically low-quality flash style. And then they outsource one main animation special effect to an outside already-known animator. So they've got this really slick business plan where they just rush all the art and plots for efficiency, but pay really talented youtube guys to dedicate a month to making the one thing on screen that looks like it has something like production value. Gwimbly carried that episode just because he was so mesmerizing to look at. All the cartooning is actually stupid lol
Anonymous No.150896176 [Report] >>150896242 >>150896690
>>150896114
the weird thing about Pan is that while he is indeed pathetic, he also plays it up way more to make himself seem like the ultimate loser. i'm not even sure why he does it. he has "mask off' moments sometimes where you can see that he's able to carry himself without spilling his spaghetti. so he's gotta do it specifically to feed into his humiliation kink or something.
Anonymous No.150896242 [Report] >>150896314
>>150896176
>so he's gotta do it specifically to feed into his humiliation kink or something.
Yeah I don't want to get psychosexual or corny here, but it seems like he's got a pretty odd love language, too much to even go for a cartoon nerd dommy mommy (aka a regular fat and/or tall nerd with natural insecurity but basic confidence, which there are plenty of in his dating pool because they're also a similar type of anxious and easily charmed autist). I'll keep bringing it up, but I can't stop noticing his pattern of slotting his new girlfriends ASAP into his pre-written 'loser girlfriend' character. Imagine that as a man. It's negging, right?
Anonymous No.150896314 [Report] >>150896521
>>150896242
i was rewatching some of his earliest streams with Mango for background noise and he kept saying he needed to "fix her" and "tame her" kek. he could've had a good thing going with Nesska since she seemed genuinely patient and understanding of his autism and other quirks, but he messed it up by always being emotionally unavailable until she couldn't deal with it anymore
Anonymous No.150896521 [Report]
>>150896314
>but he messed it up by always being emotionally unavailable until she couldn't deal with it anymore
Ah, the old 'wants em but doesn't really want em' guy. I can be the same way myself but hey I've made it to marriage at least.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150896630 [Report] >>150896898
>>150896078
>he posted about underrated cartoons
Basically the only reason why i still keep up with the guy from time to time is to know more about cool obscure cartoons and video games, especially the wackey and cartooney games from the past, even more so now that i am building a collection of retro PS2 era games.
I also enjoy his heavy early 2000s aesthetic, the world needs more of that honestly.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150896690 [Report] >>150896733 >>150896944
>>150896176
I think he's trying to make his more sad traits over the tp and comedic so people will laugh at it so no one will take him seriously when he is his usual odd creepy self as he is afraid people will try to help him due to him becoming too comfortable with what he is and improving himself would be too much for him.
Anonymous No.150896733 [Report] >>150896944
>>150896690
i think you hit the nail on the head. his over the top pathetic antics are just a way for him to avoid dealing with his actual issues since he doesn't like talking about his emotions at all.
Anonymous No.150896898 [Report] >>150964859
>>150896630
>retro
>ps2
Fuck
Anonymous No.150896944 [Report] >>150897340
>>150896733
>>150896690
Sounds about right. I just wish he didn't make a weird cartoon with these Bianca characters and blow all these new girlfriends by asking them to play the bitch in what is essentially a proxy sexual and romantic experience. Like he wants to both live in the cartoon world, and control a woman completely where their real relationship is in his script in the screen.
Also as I was finding Bianca's, me not being his podcast listener, I found his person 'Emily Vasquez' 'Pan Pizza's incestuous little cister' and 'On his Tumblr, Pan has stated that Emily is not actually his cister, but is actually a 40-year-old chain smoker he found in a casino in Atlantic City NJ. ' What the fuck is that shit?
And if they get along like that, why doesn't he just fuck her? Is Pan actually already in his perfect ridiculous 'I have a servile woman who doesn't demand much attention to basically be my long distance doesn't-bother-me-much girlfriend, but also I get to fulfill my kink of being an online desperate loser' relationship (or is this person trans and its not enough)? Honestly the only reason to humiliate yourself in front of Genndy Tartakovsy by curveballing him with cartoon sex, is because you have an impulse to be humiliated in such a way,
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150897340 [Report] >>150897913
>>150896944
>I found his person 'Emily Vasquez' 'Pan Pizza's incestuous little cister'
Oh yeah, this reminds me of Pan making an incest joke in one of his comic con videos saying he was telling his sister how certain family members gives him weird feelings, something along those lines, with the implication of the joke being he talks to his sister about his incestuous feelings about their family.
There's also another joke he made, i forgot the exact video he said it in but i will never forget when he said "Incest, incest! It's the best! Put your sister to the test!"
Anonymous No.150897423 [Report]
Haven't watched it (Don't think I will) because the pitch for it was so fucking bad even if the base level idea isn't bad (Stand battles between different animation styles)
Anonymous No.150897727 [Report]
>>150894636
>Shockwave Animation
I always wondered what was up with them. They did announcement after announcement, but I got the impression it was just a bunch of teens with big plans and no propensity for follow through.
Anonymous No.150897754 [Report] >>150898638
>>150895057
>it's really obvious that Pan has no fucking idea what he's talking about
I thought he was a graphic designer by trade? "Full bleed" should be a term he came across even if he was self-taught.
Anonymous No.150897779 [Report] >>150898417 >>150898449
>>150895109
how much money do you think he realistically makes with youtube? I don't think it pays out nearly as well as you'd think, especially since most of his videos don't do gangbuster numbers.
Anonymous No.150897783 [Report] >>150897951
>>150892470
Why would you send that anywhere but in PM this is humiliating
Or does he think he's holding glitch by the balls by making it public?
Anonymous No.150897860 [Report] >>150897897
>>150895427
You have to admire Pan's confidence to think that he had a shot with someone who looked like Valbun.
Anonymous No.150897897 [Report] >>150898168 >>150898626
>>150897860
true... nowadays he's going for all sorts of cosplay chicks, particularly this one who goes by "edgelord jinx" not sure if she's reciprocating his advances though
Anonymous No.150897913 [Report] >>150898442
>>150897340
Fortunately, it's all fantasy. Pan doesn't have a sister - it's probably a kink he got as a byproduct of watching too much porn.
Anonymous No.150897951 [Report] >>150898491 >>150898546
>>150897783
I don't think Glitch has their DMs open, but I could imagine that he's already e-mailed them and didn't get a response.
I think he's overestimating his position in the animation scene and hoping that they see this and think "Holy fuck!!! THE John "F" Fountain?!" or perhaps his fanboys will help gas him up in the retweets/replies so Glitch sees what a big shot he is.
Anonymous No.150898168 [Report] >>150898191 >>150898328
>>150897897
No idea who she is so this isn't really based on anything, but after a quick look at her insta, I feel like there's a good chance she's a lesbian.
Anonymous No.150898191 [Report]
>>150898168
rip pan's hopes and dreams once more
Anonymous No.150898328 [Report]
>>150898168
she has a bf according to one of her comic strips
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150898417 [Report]
>>150897779
Well he has a Patreon so at least there's that going for him.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150898442 [Report]
>>150897913
>it's probably a kink he got as a byproduct of watching too much porn.
Oh man i've been there, and i am so glad i managed to escape from the depth i was trapped in. I pray that one day Pan will be able to free himself as well.
Anonymous No.150898449 [Report]
>>150897779
he makes a lot through sponsors. he talked about how sponsors pressure him to do post at least one vid per month or else they'll back out, and he obliges because he doesn't wanna miss that big paycheck
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150898491 [Report] >>150899042
>>150897951
>but I could imagine that he's already e-mailed them and didn't get a response.
I wonder how long he waited until he went public with it. Like, what was the time span between him sending an email and then making it public on Twitter. I hope it wasn't too short, i hope he at least had the patience to wait a few months.
Anonymous No.150898509 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
i wouldn't
Anonymous No.150898536 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
I kinda like the plot even if it's extremely cringey but if I was a boomer shareholder I wouldn't personally fund it because I can't possibly see a show like this get anything more than a single season
Anonymous No.150898546 [Report]
>>150897951
>"Holy fuck!!! THE John "F" Fountain?!"
i laughed holy kek. that guy has such an inflated ego for how small his contributions were on all of those shows (and he always got the boot because he was difficult to work with and would autistically push his ideas onto everyone else on the crew)
Anonymous No.150898593 [Report] >>150898812
>>150895387
You've also got to look at this as a potential job interview. They guy took years to get this project off the ground, barely knew what he was doing, and had to hire random mercenary artists and animators to do the heavy lifting for him, and none of them are part of a team or a studio he put together. Sure, he accomplished this on a shoestring budget, but did he prove that he could produce cartoons on his own, and would do even better with corporate backing, or did he just show that he could drag his ass over the finish line if given enough time?

There's kids still in art school right now who can do better work than Pan did with all the help he could find and 15k of his own money. If you were hiring, would you hire the guy who has a shitty reputation and tons of stupid e-drama around him, or would you poach some of that young talent into one of the studios you already use to produce better cartoons?
Anonymous No.150898626 [Report] >>150898745 >>150898815 >>150899296
>>150897897
could pan ever seal the deal with this cutie? she seems out of his league.
Anonymous No.150898638 [Report]
>>150897754
He's a graphic designer in the way that getting your tech savvy teenager to make a website for you makes them a web designer. He can do some graphic design work, but if he's got any training/schooling, it doesn't show.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150898745 [Report] >>150899296
>>150898626
She'd be friendly at first until she finds out his history, then she'd ghost him.
Anonymous No.150898755 [Report] >>150899339
>>150895530
Yeah but Micheal Cusack and Zach Hadel already had adult swim connections, Cusack more so as he already had a show on AS, as well as that one australian rick and morty episode. Obviously a network would have more trust in those dudes than some autistic youtuber with nothing to show besides a bunch of top 10 videos.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150898812 [Report]
>>150898593
I'll be honest, while everything you said is 100% true, i can't help but feel bad for the guy yet feel happy for him.
On one hand he managed to make the pilot of his dreams that he has been working on for over a decade now.
On the other hand it took him so long and the journey to get to where we are now was just flabbergasting to watch.
While i enjoy the destination the journey could have been much, much better.
Anonymous No.150898815 [Report] >>150898865 >>150911112 >>150961432 >>150963505
>>150898626
/our/ pizza boy sure is trying
Anonymous No.150898822 [Report] >>150899010
>>150895387
John already had his own production company by the time Ren & Stimpy was picked up. It's not like he was just some autistic perv making youtube videos.
Anonymous No.150898865 [Report] >>150899000
>>150898815
He is so lost lol
Anonymous No.150899000 [Report] >>150899050
>>150898865
you mean you wouldn't fall for pan's flirting skills?
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150899010 [Report] >>150899071
>>150898822
The difference here is that no one knew how bad of a reputation John would have back then.
But Pan is going into this with a bad reputation already. Again, not as bad as John's, but still not a good look.
Anonymous No.150899042 [Report] >>150899076
>>150898491
>i hope he at least had the patience to wait a few months.
Almost definitely not, but also, anon, you shouldn't wait MONTHS for an e-mail response. A week is respectable. If you don't hear back by then, a polite prod is acceptable. If you don't hear back within a few days of the prod, you take the L and move on.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150899050 [Report]
>>150899000
Oh man, he really is Cody from Total Drama...
And Sheldon from My Life as a teenage Robot...
Anonymous No.150899071 [Report] >>150899096
>>150899010
You didn't explain that previously but you are right, obviously.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150899076 [Report]
>>150899042
Yeah, you're right about a few months being too long, and you're also right that if he did have to wait a few months he should have moved on by now.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150899096 [Report]
>>150899071
While i did try to explain that previously i will admit that i did a poor job at explaining it and should have worded my post better so for that i apologize.
Anonymous No.150899296 [Report]
>>150898626
>>150898745
She'd be friendly at first until she realized that he wasn't able to take the hint. She's a mildly attractive cosplayer. She has nerdy dudes shooting their shot all the time, but part of her success hinges on her being available yet unattainable. I'm sure she's used to giving autismos the polite brush off so they understand that she's not interested but still want to follow her on social media and donate to her patreon or whatever. Unfortunately, Pan isn't the type to get the message unless you're brutally blunt with him.
Anonymous No.150899339 [Report]
>>150898755
They did the work. They didn't just come out with a show idea and start begging adult swim or glitch for a show. They spent years making connections with people in the industry, collected a fan base, made short works to show their chops and hone their craft, and then their network and skills coalesced to give them the opportunity to create a show.
Luck is preparedness meeting opportunity.
Anonymous No.150899724 [Report] >>150900684
>>150892441 (OP)
If he plays his cards right and know to avoid awkward siterations then yeah. I hope so i can get more bianca .
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150900684 [Report]
>>150899724
>If he plays his cards right and know to avoid awkward siterations
Oof, his battle is going to be so uphill isn't it? I feel bad for the guy...
Anonymous No.150902306 [Report] >>150902671 >>150908422 >>150908449
>>150892441 (OP)

Not until Pan learns that not everything in your cartoon needs to look like it can be used as a poster.

Cause that's one of my issues with Loki IRL. So many scenes sacrifice animation, staging and fluidity to create scenes that sort of look nice if you pause the video on them.

He clearly took inspiration from a lot of sources (Jet Set Radio, 2000s cartoon, Dreamcast asthetics, Studio Trigger, etc.) but only learned of the superficial side of it. JSR doesn't look like the boxart 100% of the time. for the sake of STYLE, Pan end sup creating characters that look cool when doing a still pose but when actually animating look like absolute garbage and so he skips animated a lot of scenes but unlike the anime he uses as reference (Panty & Stocking a big example), he assumed "oh if it looks stylish enough I can chop the animation and it'll be fine) but you can't do that for scenes that go for TOO long. Yet he does anyways.

Pan should stick to UI and poster design cause he legit is good at it.The problem is him not realizing that translating those skills to animation ain't a 1:1 thing.
Anonymous No.150902671 [Report]
>>150902306
>Pan end sup creating characters that look cool when doing a still pose
I'd argue that he can't even do that. So many of his designs are just ass and they look worse in motion because Pan doesn't understand any underlying fundamentals of animation. He's got some vague ideas about shape language and silhouettes, and having exaggerated cartoony proportions, but no real idea of how to many any of them work.
Anonymous No.150902841 [Report] >>150903529
pan, i know you monitor this thread and let me tell you.
WATCH ZENSHUU!
now i'm not suggesting you should copy the show but it shows an interesting premise that could inspire to your series. I believe your battles require more polishing like maybe artists are still developing their OCs further by sketching more things to solidify their characters, working on their bible as it is called, but not every sketch they draw lands and fails the result so they trash the paper and draw again until it synergize with style and character but paper is not only limited but the pencil as well rans out of ink so they have to think careful what to draw. Perhaps the mysterious gem in his hand was a concept that landed but the artist has no idea how to make it work so that's why it ends in tragedy everytime. Maybe that same concept can be translated on different styles like maybe the CGI have clip errors or rigging isn't as flexible, etc.
Anonymous No.150902956 [Report] >>150902991 >>150903407 >>150922405
>>150892470
https://voca.ro/1cgB7zb3vSUp
Anonymous No.150902991 [Report]
>>150902956
Oh it's Fountain, should I actually know this guy?
Anonymous No.150903407 [Report]
>>150902956
https://vocaroo.com/1kNdFN5PLsFz
Anonymous No.150903529 [Report]
>>150902841
i think pan's flaw is that he focus on the aesthetic rather than the content of the show. jokes don't land but it's because there's only punchline without setup, i get it's a pilot but keep it small steps, first try to makes us understand the importance of OCs and how they create
Anonymous No.150906692 [Report] >>150906997 >>150908486
>>150892441 (OP)
It was fine
There was a cool battle animation in the middle
Some stuff isnt explained
Didnt like his voice for Loki
Too long
Dislike the "here's a badass thing hes gunna do it! Oops he failed haha" trope
I like the blending of different animations
The statue guard guys were really cool
Anonymous No.150906997 [Report]
>>150906692
>trope
Non-criticism
Anonymous No.150907573 [Report] >>150908111 >>150908518 >>150929367 >>150945569 >>150945961
>>150892441 (OP)
>Another lesbian lead great exactly what I wanted
>Prominent character with that skin condition that tumblr trannies are obssessed with for some reason
>"But not in fat-shaming kind of way"
Yup I'm glad it crashed and flopped
Screwing that pooner really scrambled his brain
Anonymous No.150908111 [Report] >>150908226 >>150945569
>>150907573
>Bianca is lesbian
Why is every short chubby nerdy female in cartoons these days fucking gay.
Anonymous No.150908226 [Report] >>150908518 >>150945569
>>150908111
Because it's part of The Message
Anonymous No.150908283 [Report] >>150908537
Cartoon YouTube reviewers have made their audience believe they can tell you anything about animation while also being spoiled by the good indie pilots/online series that have released recenty. Loki IRL was rough, very rough, but I could see it having something if it was released in the mid 2010's. Its aesthetic and plot are built for a niche audience, which isn't a bad thing.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150908422 [Report]
>>150902306
>Dreamcast asthetics
Aw man i love Dreamcast aethetics, i wish i owned one.
But to stay on topic, while i love Pan's style, especially how it's used all throughout his YouTube channel, yeah, the animation could have been better.
I remember having a confused feeling when watch the training scene with Loki and the punching bag, watch him punch that bag felt weird to me and i didn't really know why until you pointed it out.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150908449 [Report] >>150910425
>>150902306
>Pan should stick to UI and poster design cause he legit is good at it.The problem is him not realizing that translating those skills to animation ain't a 1:1 thing.
Oh sorry, i didn't reply to this part.
I am not usually one to suggest people to start out with a webcomic first then hope it gets picked up for a cartoon as i say that that'd be, for lack of a better term, easy mood with not much reward for the risks, and i'd tell people that if they're able to go straight to making a cartoon then why not do that.
But for Pan and seeing everything surrounding Loki IRL, i can make an exception this one time as i feel in this instance Pan making a webcomic would have done better for his work and career and would have given Loki IRL more of a boost than what it has now, even if it'd never get animated and stay a webcomic i'm sure it would have still been more successful as a webcomic than a cartoon.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150908486 [Report]
>>150906692
>Didnt like his voice for Loki
I hope Pan just used his voice as a placeholder for this one.
I don't mind it myself but yeah, the voice could be better. Maybe he can keep playing the role if he changes up his voice but he might just need to replace himself with someone else for the character.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150908518 [Report]
>>150907573
If you know Pan you'd know that this is just what he has found sexy for decades now.
Also was the MC ever confirmed to ba a lesbian? Did i miss/forget something?
>>150908226
Pan isn't concerned with any message he just wants to goon.
I'm not defending the guy, i'm just saying that there's a different problem here.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150908537 [Report] >>150910417
>>150908283
>Loki IRL was rough, very rough, but I could see it having something if it was released in the mid 2010's
Yeah, that's the problem with taking too long to create a pilot. He started it in the early to mid 2010s and created it with Adult Swim in mind, but nowadays it's a relic of the past now that people have moved on from Adult Swim and over to Glitch.
It's a shame because it's not like it's a bad thing, it's just a victim of poor circumstances due to the inevitability of taking too long to finish.
Anonymous No.150909618 [Report] >>150963672
>>150892441 (OP)
It looks like Ace from the Gangrene gang wants to fuck Mandark's sister.
Anonymous No.150910417 [Report] >>150941379
>>150908537
Who the fuck is Jake? Why a name and a hash?
Anonymous No.150910425 [Report] >>150910458 >>150912984
>>150908449
He did make a webcomic. Are you a bot?
Anonymous No.150910458 [Report] >>150910517 >>150912308
>>150910425
Yeah and he dropped it to make this slop. If he had stuck to his webcomic for a year or 2 he could've gotten feed back and worked out the kinks in his concept and art, but instead he's been holding to his first draft from highschool like a retard and it shows.
Anonymous No.150910517 [Report] >>150912308
>>150910458
>If he had stuck to his webcomic for a year or 2
I thought he was working on it for years
Anonymous No.150911112 [Report] >>150959346
>>150898815
he could at least dm this cringe shit
Anonymous No.150911835 [Report] >>150912343
>>150894016
Space King was also approached by a streaming service (likely Netflix)
Anonymous No.150912308 [Report] >>150912984 >>150913589
>>150910458
>>150910517
He did. In fact, he made a good chunk of the webcomic, then scrapped it and started again with a revised style and slightly adjusted story. He did the exact thing that anons are suggesting and it didn't do any good. As it turns out, sometimes just making something isn't enough.
Anonymous No.150912339 [Report] >>150912358
>>150892441 (OP)
He has friends in the industry, so why not
Anonymous No.150912343 [Report]
>>150911835
I wonder what kind of deal they offered. Netflix is notoriously stingy. I know a handful of animators who got offered "deals" but the amount they were offering for a full season wouldn't have covered production costs for a single episode.
Anonymous No.150912358 [Report]
>>150912339
>He has friends in the industry
I think they're closer to acquaintances. How many of those "friends" helped him promote the release of Loki IRL when it dropped? Most people were pretty quiet about it unless they personally worked on it.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150912984 [Report] >>150915293
>>150910425
I meant a full series.
Although i admit i only seen the firt issue so as far as i know it's just a one shot. Forgive me if i'm wrong on that one.
>>150912308
Ah, well then i was wrong. Apologies.
Anonymous No.150913589 [Report] >>150918883
>>150912308
Finished is better than perfect, as they say. I'm glad he did enough work to see the project through to completion, but the core idea was so rough and so shitty that even if the rough edges were sanded off it would still be bad. Pan isn't willing to scrap and rework the idea from scratch enough to make it work. He wants Bianca and Loki to look and behave that specific way. He wants the "IRLs" to use the specific rules he already decided on and he will not call them anything else. He is unwilling to change the name or story or anything else about it, so it will always suck.
Anonymous No.150915293 [Report] >>150915359
>>150912984
fuck off, bot
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150915359 [Report]
>>150915293
>bot
I don't understand how one could even think of such an accusation.
Anonymous No.150915593 [Report] >>150915724 >>150919523 >>150935460
>>150892441 (OP)
he should've gotten with robobuddies, she was already a great animator and had ties to the film industry through her family.
the only downside was that she was basically tethered to nolan (i wish she never deleted her videos about trollhunters, but i understand it can look bad on her)
Anonymous No.150915633 [Report] >>150915725 >>150915743 >>150915794 >>150915998 >>150918978 >>150930660 >>150933804 >>150935457 >>150943295 >>150963707
>>150892441 (OP)
I don't know but the song in the trailer rocks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWB68YVvpKI
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150915724 [Report] >>150915790
>>150915593
>(i wish she never deleted her videos about trollhunters, but i understand it can look bad on her)
What happened?
Anonymous No.150915725 [Report] >>150915873
>>150915633
This shit is pure ass.
Anonymous No.150915743 [Report] >>150915873
>>150915633
This is fucking awful, actually.
Anonymous No.150915790 [Report]
>>150915724
Many young animators who make videos where they discuss or criticize animation often delete them when they begin finding work due to potential employers finding them.
She also changed her mind on a few. I remember the Lily Peet Steven Universe video plagiarized a lot from Robobuddies, so Robo took it down so that she wouldn't be associated with Lily.
Anonymous No.150915794 [Report] >>150915873
>>150915633
This is by far the worst song I heard in a real long time.
Anonymous No.150915873 [Report] >>150916322
>>150915725
>>150915743
>>150915794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95kNwZw8YY
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150915998 [Report] >>150916082
>>150915633
This sounds horrifying but the pilot does have a good soundtrack, all the best ones just aren't made originally for the pilot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuetyUYAGGM&list=PLvHdpyjeAGjgiTdtUTFPJjJLlHTVSKNjS&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBLIsmcooUw&list=PLvHdpyjeAGjgiTdtUTFPJjJLlHTVSKNjS&index=18
here's the full soundtrack for anyone who's interested: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvHdpyjeAGjgiTdtUTFPJjJLlHTVSKNjS
Anonymous No.150916082 [Report] >>150918978
>>150915998
I need to look up more of 2 Mello.
Incidentally I listened to more of MDotStrange, and the two tracks used in the pilot are the only ones I could stand.
Anonymous No.150916322 [Report]
>>150915873
Fuck you and your shit taste, retard. That track objectively sucks shit from an ass.
Anonymous No.150916364 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
He needs to be open to criticism. I'm not sure if Pan actually visited one of the release threads, but the person alleging to be him was a bit of a cunt and shut down a lot of valid critiques.
Anonymous No.150916560 [Report]
I got all the references and I still think he should have cut them down.
Anonymous No.150918557 [Report] >>150919204 >>150934754
>>150892441 (OP)
I like Pan and really do want him to succeed, but I think the idea behind the show is super niche and just not something most people wilk find intrest in. Plus I don't really think the pilot looks all too good visually. It's a shame because Pan's art can look pretty good.
Anonymous No.150918712 [Report] >>150919307
>>150892441 (OP)
The concept is already shit because everything is drawn in the same art style. It's like wtf, dude, you couldn't come up with a better concept to showcase your Y2K inspired art instead of making doodle Pokemon and pretending everyone just draws the same and they draw the same exact way reality also looks? Pan clearly doesn't give a shit about art outside of his little 2000s bubble, it's so stupid that this is supposed to be about art.
Anonymous No.150918883 [Report]
>>150913589
On the plus side, he made the thing that he wanted to make which is the whole point of going indie in the first place. Most people just talk about wanting to make something and then make excuses for why they can't do it. I'll always respect the fact that he went for it.
Anonymous No.150918978 [Report] >>150919869 >>150935467
>>150916082
>>150915633
I can't say I'm into this music, but didn't MDot Strange do an indie animated film like 20 years ago "We Are the Strange" which featured mixed media animation? I recall it having frame to frame animation, stop motion, CG, etc. I bought that shit on DVD because this was before people were able to distribute large video files online.
I haven't watched it since I first bought it decades ago, but I remember the plot being kind of all over the place. It WAS impressive that someone basically made a whole film solo, though.
Anonymous No.150919204 [Report] >>150919475 >>150919757 >>150930863
>>150918557
>the idea behind the show is super niche and just not something most people wilk find intrest in
I disagree. The idea behind the show is basically Pokemon/Yu-gi-oh with drawings. That sort of concept is already a proven successful formula and I think he could do a lot with it. The execution was just a touch convoluted. Pan's world is really well defined in his head, but he seemed to have forgotten that he needed to bring the audience in on it. He sort of jumps into the middle of an episode, info dumps a ton of lore via narration, and then blunders forward into a bunch of stuff we didn't need to see. All of that info was old news to him, but for most people it was brand new.

He needed a second set of eyes on the script from someone who wasn't familiar with his comics. And no, Daft Peñis did not count. Considering how his animated short turned out, nobody should ever consult him for anything ever.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150919307 [Report]
>>150918712
>pretending everyone just draws the same and they draw the same exact way reality also looks?
Honestly with how unoriginal people tend to be with their art styles nowadays, just mimicking what's popular, i honestly believe it.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150919475 [Report] >>150919901
>>150919204
>I disagree. The idea behind the show is basically Pokemon/Yu-gi-oh with drawings.
While i agree, i am not one to describe a show as "It's like X but with Y!" but with how much Pan takes blatant inspiration from other media as well as references them a lot i would give an exception to this one, especially considering it feel like the show's concept could stem from Pan watching Digimon on Toonami one night.
I bring up Digimon specifically because i would be lying if i said it didn't remind me of Digimon Tamers, specifically how Takato being a big Digimon fan decided to create his own Digimon and drew Guilmon on a notepad bring his own created Digimon to life by scaning his drawing with his Digivice.
I'll be more honest, as a kid, that scene inspired me to make my own Digimon, what a ride that was.
Anonymous No.150919523 [Report]
>>150915593
but why did she call Steven Moffat a right wing gamergate conspiracy theorist?
Anonymous No.150919757 [Report]
>>150919204
It's more like Pan reinvented the idea of an OCT, which is literally competitive art where artists enter their OCs to battle against other OCs. Pan is such an outsider to general internet art community that he thought he'd created something original and unique with this idea, but he just created a dumber, faggier version of an OCT where everyone has to be drawn in his faggy wannabe milk-chan/y2k pop art style.
Anonymous No.150919869 [Report]
>>150918978
Had to look it up. Hard to believe that such a garbage producer could make such a cool movie.
Anonymous No.150919901 [Report] >>150919981
>>150919475
>i am not one to describe a show as "It's like X but with Y"
It's an elevator pitch, you robot. When you meet people you need to be able to sum up your idea very quickly so you don't prattle on. You'll meet people at parties or in line to get coffee or, as the name implies, in an elevator and you often don't have time for a whole spiel. Comparing your idea to a blend of existing things that people already know is a really fast way to get people to understand the gist. If they want to know more, they'll ask. If you ever pitch something, you'll need to be able to do this.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150919981 [Report] >>150920053
>>150919901
>If you ever pitch something, you'll need to be able to do this.
It's possible to get the point of a show's concept across without comparing it to anything else, not just for the whole "elevator pitch" thing but even with marketing and recommendations. (The later two being what i was referring to, i doubt elevator pitches go down like that most of the time.)
Here, i'll use Loki IRL as an example.
"Hey, wanna hear about my action battle show where people fight using cartoon characters?"
There, gets the point across while being vague enough to generate interest and curiosity and can be said within seconds.
Anonymous No.150920053 [Report] >>150920643
>>150919981
>wanna hear about my action battle show where people fight using cartoon characters?
Nope. It doesn't give the details. All it conveys is that cartoon characters fight. Comparing it to something like pokemon shorthands a lot in that they know that the idea is a tournament style setup, characters collect fighters somehow, it's meant for the 8-11 age range, you can assume it's mostly episodic, etc.

Plus, open ended questions like that tend to chase people away. If someone asked me that at a party, I'd be looking for the fastest way to get out of that conversation because I would assume they were about to launch into a long-winded speech about lore and shit.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150920643 [Report] >>150921856
>>150920053
If someone tried comparing their ideas to the work of someone else's i'd just tell them to stop talking.
I say for someone to compare their projects to something else harms it more than to not compare it. Such a itch only works for corporate executives looking to try to find a quick cash grab, we see it a lot in gaming for example.
>"Our game is like Super Smash Bros but with our own characters!"
Game bombs because why would anyone play their game when they already have Smash Bros.
"Our game is like Fortnite but our own style!"
Game bombs because why would anyone play their game when they already have Fortnite.
Etc, etc, etc.
Same works with shows too. If someone says their show is like Pokemon, then people will wonder why they should watch it when they already have Pokemon.
And for those who do end up playing those games and watching those shows based on such comparisons, they'll be going into them with the expectation of having the same experience of what they're playing/watching is being compared to, and then when they start comparing for themselves they end up getting disappointed and start to unfairly judge based on unjust pretenses and not based on how the game/show stands on its own merits.
At the end of the day people want originality, not what they have already seen before, and this goes double for the indie scene, where people go to get away from the unoriginality of big corporations. The best way to market an idea is t make it look as original as possible, no matter how many times it has been done already, because people want new and they get tired of old.
The only people who buy into such comparison pitches are, like i said, corporate executives wanting a quick cash grab, and the people who eat it up are a minority who will buy anything they recognize or feel familiar to them, and even then those types of people are becoming fewer and fewer.
The only exception to this that i can think of is Palworld, maybe Terraria if we wanna be generous.
Anonymous No.150921856 [Report] >>150922823 >>150923573
>>150920643
>I say for someone to compare their projects to something else harms it more than to not compare it.
Sounds like someone who has never pitched anything before
Anonymous No.150922405 [Report]
>>150902956
Please do the rest, I beg.
Anonymous No.150922427 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
no because you never start with a passion project
Anonymous No.150922823 [Report] >>150922952
>>150921856
Honestly there are some ideas that really are original that you just can't narrow down to something popular or familiar. Not saying originality is the end all be all but somethings are hard to describe in a few sentences.
Anonymous No.150922952 [Report] >>150923624
>>150922823
Between novels, shows, films, comics, historical references, pop culture references, folktales, etc, it's really hard to think of any ideas that can't be compared to *anything* to at least get you in the ballpark. Nobody exists in a vacuum. I'll stop just short of saying it's impossible to find a work that cannot be compared to a single thing. It may be possible, but if a creator thinks they can't do it, it's far more likely that their idea simply hasn't been boiled down to it's essence yet than it actually eschews all comparison.

I'd go as far as to argue that a well thought out idea *should* be able to be boiled down to a quick comparison. It means that you're aware of common tropes/archetypes/forms/storytelling devices, that you understand how your idea fits within that context, and that you understand what sets your idea apart and makes it unique. There can be novel elements to what you're doing, but thinking that you've created something so new that it can't be compared to anything comes across as naive.
Anonymous No.150922959 [Report] >>150934739
>>150892441 (OP)
I sure hope not
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150923573 [Report] >>150924324
>>150921856
If i ever were to pitch anything i would never pitch it by comparing it to anything else, in fact i wouldn't pitch anything at all, i'd just go indie and start up my own business.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150923624 [Report] >>150924324
>>150922952
>I'll stop just short of saying it's impossible to find a work that cannot be compared to a single thing.
Here's the thing Anon, there's nothing original under the sun, that's why we have genres, to classify works into groups based on their similarities and overall style, themes, content, etc.
But to compare one's work to someone else's has proven to be marketing poison as well as just disrespectful.
Like i said, just look at what happened to the platform fighter genre.
If people just classified those games as the platform fighter genre instead of calling them "Smash Bros" or even worse "Smash killers" then the genre would have had its reputation damaged.
>It means that you're aware of common tropes/archetypes/forms/storytelling devices
Yes, that's why we have genres, for decades now humans worldwide have been pitching their ideas, marketing them and even recommending other people's ideas with genres, not comparisons.
Anonymous No.150924324 [Report] >>150924695
>>150923573
>>150923624
> If i ever were to pitch anything
So you’re talking out of your ass. Got it. Go away, “Jake”.
Anonymous No.150924371 [Report] >>150924708
>>150892441 (OP)
Idk, I liked it but who would pick it up? Maybe amazon prime will see some potential in it? I dont see it being on Disney Channel, Nick or TV really. Its best bet is a streaming service. Maybe Tubi will pick it up? Lol I think the budget he's gonna need for this isnt going to be realistic unless he gets like really lucky. Pan definitely doesnt seem like the type who's good at negotiations or articulating his points in a straight forward way when speaking in person.
Anonymous No.150924442 [Report] >>150924530
>>150892441 (OP)
The idea is there, he just needs competent artists to create a better visual style.
Anonymous No.150924530 [Report] >>150924788 >>150924930
>>150924442
The most damning thing is that it's so easy to make a better idea out of this show with better themes and a clearer story and better internally consistent rules about artists and OCs... But the worst fucking thing is that if anyone tries to make a show or a comic about a world where artists bring their OCs to life and battle them, they'll get compared to Pan's stillborn pilot, which is a grievous insult.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150924695 [Report] >>150924746
>>150924324
As if you're planning on pitching anything yourself.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150924708 [Report] >>150924748
>>150924371
>but who would pick it up?
I'll be honest, his best bet is Teletoon @ nite, and the chances they will even see it are low.
Anonymous No.150924746 [Report] >>150924875
>>150924695
I work on several productions already.
Fuck off, bot
Anonymous No.150924748 [Report]
>>150924708
It would also have a shitty budget and mostly be quickly done tweening animation
Anonymous No.150924788 [Report]
>>150924530
He needed someone to consult on story. Pan’s been working this over in his head for so long that the story and rules seemed clear in his mind, but he forgot to convey any of that to the audience. (And it’s likely that the idea wasn’t actually as clear as he thought it was). He kind of had a sense of that so he brought in a consultant. Unfortunately he brought in Daft Peñis who is an even bigger retard than Pan is.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150924875 [Report]
>>150924746
How many of them have you pitched so far?
Anonymous No.150924930 [Report] >>150926042
>>150924530
what's even better is pan might actually be able to sue people now for stealing his ideas. although we know he's not that evil, is he?
Anonymous No.150925883 [Report] >>150928313 >>150928917
>>150892441 (OP)
What's this about again?
Anonymous No.150925981 [Report]
>>150892641
>then casting them as his depressed fat loser girlfriend who keeps failing at art, just so his character can put his arm around her and say ‘its okay youre a loser, because you and i are a couple’ a thousand times (aka negging and belittling someone into believing they are worthless without you)
Why did you let Pan stick his stinky mexican cock in you?
Anonymous No.150926042 [Report]
>>150924930
He can't really sue anyone for this, because Foster's and Chalkzone and a bunch of other "what if imaginary friends were real?" type of media already existed before him, and he can't copyright or otherwise claim a concept that predates him anyways.

If someone made a show about a girl named Bianca and her drawing-brought-to-life named Loki, and everyone called this drawings "IRLs" then yeah, obviously he can cry plagiarism. Otherwise, he's got no claim to this broad, unoriginal idea.
Anonymous No.150927052 [Report]
Hi Pan, if you're reading this I just wanna say that I love your videos, been a fan since 2012.
Anonymous No.150928313 [Report]
>>150925883
Pokémon but with OCs
Anonymous No.150928358 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
these characters look like if you combined them you'd just get Zim. maybe don't do that.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150928917 [Report] >>150930301
>>150925883
It's an action comedy battle cartton where people fight using their own characters with different animation styles.
The main characters are a girl and her mischievous cartoon who are trying to make a name for themselves in a world where animation and contests are everything.
Anonymous No.150929243 [Report] >>150929569
I can't tell who's more obnoxious, the jake tripfag or everyone responding to them
Etiquette is deader than that project
Anonymous No.150929367 [Report]
>>150907573
I strongly believe that vitiligo has just taken the place heterochromia used to occupy in "spice up my character design" tricks, but with the added spice of being "inclusive" of marginalized skin conditions. I remember when every amateur artist had a character with heterochromia, but you never see it anymore.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150929569 [Report] >>150935342
>>150929243
What's wrong? We're just having discussion.
Anonymous No.150930301 [Report] >>150930855
>>150928917
Sounds interesting
Anonymous No.150930660 [Report] >>150930855
>>150915633
this is the whitest rap i ever heard
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150930855 [Report] >>150933775
>>150930301
It is. I recommend watching it, just don't expect anything too grand as the animation has issues and the soundtrack is a mixed bag ranging from fun to chill out to or just hurts the ears.
>>150930660
Not even the worst track imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Om9BOSJIA&list=PLvHdpyjeAGjgiTdtUTFPJjJLlHTVSKNjS&index=26
Anonymous No.150930863 [Report] >>150933709
>>150919204
it's a very ambitious project for Pan to handle specially for someone who is stuck in a style that was only relevant back in early 2000. the problem is both humans and ocs are drawn the same way without any distinction, his pilot claims you can tell by the outlines but we are thrown paintings, neons, CGI and mocaps that don't have lineart so how else can we distinguish them when even both use the same thickness of lines, Pan really needs to think of another way to distinguish them like for example in Bonkers they couldn't recreate the roger rabbit live action and cartoon so they cleverly made use of colors by making all toons have more vivid palettes while humans were a bit dull. I also feel like they haven't establish a goal yet, i know there is one hence why they compete but what is the prize because some have seen to make it but it's so ambiguous.
Anonymous No.150930990 [Report] >>150931258
>>150892441 (OP)
>the joke about the milk that is glue but still be treated as milk because you thought it was milk despite being told it is glue
out of all things wrong with this pilot, this one stood out the most for me because for a joke the buildup was already a mess and the punchline is even worse, it's like a joke pan forgot how it goes when it was told to him but he went with it and tried to make it sound as funny as he remembered it
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150931258 [Report]
>>150930990
Actually the guy didn't know it was glue, the joke is that he's lactose intolerant and didn't know it was glue, so when it got thrown onto him he still experienced the affects of lactose intolerance due to the placebo effect.
The slapstick part of he joke got a laugh out of me but i do agree that everything surrounding it could have been thought out more.
Anonymous No.150933417 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
odds aren't looking too good
Anonymous No.150933709 [Report] >>150938383
>>150930863
>his pilot claims you can tell by the outlines
Yeah, that was really annoying. AS he was saying that, he panned over a bunch of characters that were obviously supposed to be IRLs but did not adhere to the sketchy line or neon skin rule. So he was saying one thing but showing another at the same time as he was introducing the concept. It's pretty clear that he had already animated that sequence when he realized he needed a way to definitively differentiate the characters so he added or changed the narration but didn't want to have to undo all the work he already did. Yet another reason why pre-production usually takes a long time with animation. You don't animate anything that you absolutely don't have to.

Also, using "neon skin" doesn't really help when so many of the scenes are completely saturated with neon colors all over the backgrounds, props, costumes, etc. It makes it hard for the characters to stand out. There is a slightly line boil on the characters, but it's super subtle. He should have pushed that really hard so it was almost like a Dr. Katz Squigglevision deal...make it extremely obvious. The "sketchy" lines were also created using a brush that you really had to study to see the ragged edges. When the characters are flying around the screen and shit is going every which way, it's not something that will stand out.

>I also feel like they haven't establish a goal yet,
Pan got nailed for that in the Adult Swim pitch meeting too. They asked him what motivated the characters and Pan kept saying they wanted to win. That doesn't explain why Loki would bother teaming up with Bianca, and wanting to win doesn't seem like a weak reason to motivate Bianca. She needs something to drive her emotionally so the audience can connect with her.
Anonymous No.150933775 [Report]
>>150930855
Anonymous No.150933787 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
loki might not become irl
Anonyrnous No.150933804 [Report] >>150933863 >>150935445
>>150915633
Loki IRL confirmed my beliefs that Pan's strengths are in music selection and in background design. All other aspects needed some fine-tuning, even the editing to my surprise.
Anonymous No.150933863 [Report]
>>150933804
I liked the IRL character designs, but all the humans look chubby and weird.
But I can't complain about how he used the music. He picked the best part of the first track to use.
Anonymous No.150934739 [Report]
>>150922959
rude
Anonymous No.150934754 [Report]
>>150918557
I don't think I've seen the premise down before. I wish there was more.
Anonymous No.150934761 [Report]
his pilot sucks.
Anonymous No.150935342 [Report] >>150940576
>>150929569
What's so important about you and your post that you can't be anonymous like everyone
Anonymous No.150935445 [Report]
>>150933804
He's barely fit to be an ideas guy, but I'd hire him to design some bumpers for a cartoon block.
Anonymous No.150935457 [Report]
>>150915633
>MDotStrange
That's a blast from the past. His weird movies are legitimately better than Loki IRL's pilot.
Anonymous No.150935460 [Report]
>>150915593
Pretty sure she’s a lesbian now
Anonymous No.150935467 [Report]
>>150918978
Yeah he also did I Am Nightmare in 2014
Anonymous No.150936626 [Report] >>150964300
>>150894930
Probably, yeah.
Anonymous No.150936693 [Report]
>>150892453
>Genndy put $500

Wrong. Adult Swim only put $200 in it and that's it.
Anonymous No.150936711 [Report]
>>150892641

Pan, Treated this 30 minute pilot exactly like his show reviews. Added way to many unnecessary bumpers and pulled and Eddie Murphy by voice almost every character.
Anonymous No.150936730 [Report]
>>150893407
The pilot costed him like 15k
Anonymous No.150936804 [Report] >>150937191 >>150937592
>>150892441 (OP)
There were 9 fucking bumpers in his pilot. You don't need that fucking many, holy shit.
Anonymous No.150936981 [Report]
>>150892588
>otherwise I think this is a step too pathetic even for Pan.
When will Mr. Enter beg Glitch to pick up Growing Around
Anonymous No.150937191 [Report] >>150937592
>>150936804
Pan knew he couldn't afford to make more than one episode so he felt he had to cram in as much as he possibly could into those 30 minutes
Anonymous No.150937592 [Report] >>150938245 >>150938587 >>150941819
>>150936804
>>150937191
but those were unironically the best parts. He really nailed that [AS] bumper aesthetic.
Anonymous No.150938245 [Report]
>>150937592
They're well-made, no doubt, but Pan could've used a bit more restraint. That can apply to other aspects of the pilot honestly. It's just very self-indulgent
Anonymous No.150938383 [Report] >>150945677
>>150933709
One of the problems with the background is kind of similar that to the Hellaverse, especially when the background characters look just as eye-catching as the main characters.

One thing I wish a change for Loki is that the background characters and non-drawing dudes look all pastel and generically anime-looking.
Anonymous No.150938587 [Report]
>>150937592
It's more Miguzi than [AS]
Anonymous No.150939869 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
The Gangrene Gang LIVES ON!
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150940576 [Report] >>150941287 >>150941842 >>150943309
>>150935342
I only put on this name and trip because someone on /x/ was acting up, someone told him to put on a trip if he was so brave, the guy confused me for the guy who told him that and told me if i was brave enough to put on a trip, despite not being the guy he was feuding with i decided to put on a trip anyway and called him out for his behavior, the guy didn't even put on a trip himself even after i did it and he assumed another Anon was me because he's one of those people who are unable to handle being in the minority so he assumes everyone against him is the same person.
This was when i started becoming more of a follower of God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit and using the trip just felt right under God.
I don't have this trip because i think i am more important than anyone else, i have it as a badge of bravery for God.
Feel free to ignore it if you want to, i also recommend giving your own trip a shot for a few threads and see how it feels. If it's something for you then great, if it's not then that's OK too.
Anonymous No.150941287 [Report] >>150941481
>>150940576
>words words words
You sound like a self-aggrandizing faggot, Jake. On the plus side, your retarded takes will be easier to filter so leave it on.
Anonymous No.150941379 [Report]
>>150910417
He’s an annoying schizo. Just filter and move on.
Anonymous No.150941411 [Report]
>>150892641
Is Bianca based on someone real? What does she look like?
Anonymous No.150941461 [Report]
I tried watching it but it feels so disjointed and off putting.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150941481 [Report]
>>150941287
If you don't have the mental capabilities to read then you don't have the mental capabilities to be having conversations on an online board.
Just stick with watching cartoons while those able to hold a proper discussion converse.
Anonymous No.150941819 [Report] >>150943231
>>150937592
>but those were unironically the best parts.

If the best parts were only just the 9 bumpers for you, then it really says a lot about the writing for loki IRL.

A lot of those bumpers had a lot of fucking text on it.
Anonymous No.150941842 [Report] >>150943619 >>150944425
>>150940576
>going on /x/
Anonymous No.150943231 [Report]
>>150941819
>then it really says a lot about the writing for loki IRL
yes, thank you for explaining my post to me
Anonymous No.150943295 [Report]
>>150915633
This sounds like ICP
Anonymous No.150943309 [Report] >>150943619
>>150940576
I like you. I hope you stay here on this board for a while.
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150943619 [Report]
>>150941842
One of the few boards that discuss Christianity.
>>150943309
Thank you.
Anonymous No.150944425 [Report] >>150946007
>>150941842
Gene always looks like a massive poser to me which is weird because he's been trying to do this whole pop punk look for so long that by this point you'd think he'd be able to own it.
He'd do better if instead of trying to appear tough and dark, he just embraced his nerdiness and went the skinny indie dork route.
Anonymous No.150944603 [Report] >>150947239
its really boring soooooooo. it probably will be.
Anonymous No.150944822 [Report] >>150945114
I've watched like 5 mins of it right now. Could he just not afford other people to VA or was that his choice
Anonymous No.150945114 [Report]
>>150944822
he couldn't afford other people. The total budget was ~$15k and that was over the span of like 10 years. It was a super scrappy production.
Anonymous No.150945569 [Report] >>150945942
>>150907573
>>150908111
>>150908226
Bianca is Pan’s self insert. Pan is a coomer over girls, there’s your real answer. Why you think there’s an agenda behind this is beyond me.
Anonymous No.150945677 [Report] >>150945815 >>150947803
>>150938383
but you see, if he makes generic background characters then his 2 tranny friends wouldn't be included and that would be tranny erasure
Jake !hYY.7y0DY6 No.150945815 [Report]
>>150945677
Honestly i think you're looking too deep into this one.
Anonymous No.150945942 [Report]
>>150945569
If what you say is true then I have no choice but to accept that.
Anonymous No.150945961 [Report]
>>150907573
Don’t even bother blaming someone else. Pan is a whitephobic, spiteful, passive-aggressive bully. He’s destined to fail and he’s done enough damage to deserve it.
Anonymous No.150946007 [Report] >>150946272 >>150946364
>>150944425
Gene is an interesting case to me. HYPERPUNK has a lot of themes and lyrics I’m really into and he seems pretty on the level, but the stereotypical lib shitstirring and anti-mind-control lyric on Crackershock that includes a fucking Jordan Peele reference is absolutely embarrassing.
Anonymous No.150946272 [Report] >>150946364
>>150946007
I dunno. It has the same sort of feel that a lot of Hazbin stuff does to me. It's like musical theater kids trying to be edgy and "rock" but something about it feels really inauthentic. I don't typically pay attention to words as much as the music itself. His performance sounds like a character. Nothing he does in Q-Bomb sounds like it's authentically "him", but comes across as playing a character. It sounds more like a rock musical or parody project than a real band.
Max poser-core.
Anonymous No.150946364 [Report] >>150950102
>>150946272
>>150946007

Gene comes off very cringe and a tryhard jew.
Anonymous No.150947239 [Report] >>150947433
>>150944603
How is it boring? Confusing? Sure, but not boring.
Anonymous No.150947433 [Report]
>>150947239
Too many bumpers spoils the broth, bruh.
Anonymous No.150947803 [Report]
>>150945677
this, also the implication that bianca is lesbian just feels like he throws things to make it look deep and mature. it's so stupid. pan needs someone snapping fingers because this pilot shows that he deviates
Anonymous No.150949146 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
I watched the pilot expecting to absolutely rip into it but I actually liked it more than I thought it would. I feel like it has potential if it were in someone else's hands, it's an interesting premise but Pan needs help with it
Anonymous No.150950102 [Report] >>150951562
>>150946364
who here remembers.... hyperboy
Anonymous No.150950547 [Report] >>150953322 >>150957958
>>150892441 (OP)
I'm proud of Pan for seeing his passion project through, but that doesn't necessarily make said passion project GOOD.
Anonymous No.150951562 [Report]
>>150950102
Oh shit! It's that guy who did the Planet Panic short pilot for Nickelodeon!
Anonymous No.150953131 [Report]
>>150892441 (OP)
I don't believe so
Anonymous No.150953322 [Report] >>150953986 >>150954446
>>150950547
It's like knowing someone who, for the decades you've known them, constantly talked about how one day they were going to shit their pants and it was going to be the most amazing, funniest thing anyone has ever seen. And you keep telling him to maybe rethink that idea, but he doesn't drop it. He even tries to finally do it a couple times and instead he only sharts his pants and admits that he could do better.

And then after being quiet about it, he finally shows up and does it. He shits his pants right in front of you and he looks at you and you weakly smile and say
>You finally did it, buddy.
And, in a way, you are proud of him in a strange way for finally going through with it and doing the thing he always promised you he would do, so you give him a weak smile before he awkwardly cowboy walks away from your house, wondering if he spent these last few decades wasting his life.
Anonymous No.150953986 [Report]
>>150953322
Anonymous No.150954446 [Report] >>150955253
>>150953322
Uh. Yeah pal. Whatever you say.
Anonymous No.150955166 [Report] >>150957031
Cartoon Network didn’t like my Floopty and Schmorkus pilot. No matter! My young beginner artists are on the task…

What’s that? You have Algebra tests in the morning?? SILENCE!!!!

- Osito “F” Draws
Anonymous No.150955253 [Report] >>150956213
>>150954446
Anonymous No.150956213 [Report]
>>150955253
heheh
Anonymous No.150956246 [Report]
Pan should team up with John F. Now that would be epic and guarantee the show getting picked up by Glitch.
Anonymous No.150957031 [Report] >>150959166
>>150955166
Lol is this some recent meme now? I remember finding Mr Fountain obnoxious after a while. His ego's about as big as Butch's from what I've seen here and there
Anonymous No.150957958 [Report] >>150958321 >>150962896
>>150950547
>>150892441 (OP)

I wasn't aware Pan had a webcomic.

Someone reviewed his webcomic 4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUr7565_iUo
Anonymous No.150958321 [Report] >>150958356 >>150959212
>>150957958
Uuuuuhhhhh
I'm feeling so much second hand embarrassment in that intro
Anonymous No.150958356 [Report]
>>150958321
Pan was literally cringe throughout the pitch.

At least Pan admits he had no clue what he was doing.
Anonymous No.150959166 [Report]
>>150957031
>>150870016
Anonymous No.150959212 [Report]
>>150958321
I can't watch it, the psychic damage is too much.
Anonymous No.150959346 [Report] >>150961432 >>150963505
>>150911112
pan must be down bad
Anonymous No.150959937 [Report] >>150960166
Remember that time that guy got Pan to retweet hypnosis porn of the Loki IRL characters because he doesn’t actually look at his fanart?
Anonymous No.150960166 [Report]
>>150959937
You got screen shots of this?
Anonymous No.150961432 [Report]
>>150898815
>>150959346
STAND UP
Anonymous No.150962075 [Report] >>150962128
>>150892441 (OP)
not likely, Pan is Hollywood exec repellant
Anonymous No.150962128 [Report] >>150962259
>>150962075
> Pan is Hollywood exec repellant

That's what they said about Vivziepop. Look where that got her.
Anonymous No.150962259 [Report] >>150962556
>>150962128
she slept her way to the top, you really think pan can do the same
Anonymous No.150962556 [Report]
>>150962259
Pan can Troon his way to the top by identifying as a woman and cancel his way to the top.
Anonymous No.150962896 [Report] >>150963761
>>150957958
>4 years ago
>teaser animatic is literally the first scene from the pilot released last month
that's fucking DIRE
Anonymous No.150963505 [Report] >>150965762
>>150898815
>>150959346
Is this bluesky?

Gross..
Anonymous No.150963672 [Report]
>>150909618
Ace took Noodle's virginity, don't lump him in with these losers
Anonymous No.150963707 [Report]
>>150915633
What the fuck is wrong with you
The average 100 gecs noise track is better than this
Anonymous No.150963761 [Report] >>150966459
>>150962896
Despicable Me's trailer 2 years before it came out was literally the first 3 minutes of the movie
Fucking hell
Anonymous No.150964300 [Report]
>>150936626
ah darnit
Anonymous No.150964859 [Report] >>150966307
>>150896898
Hurts, don't it?
Anonymous No.150965762 [Report] >>150966292
>>150963505
No.
Anonymous No.150966292 [Report] >>150967468
>>150965762
What is it then
Anonymous No.150966307 [Report]
>>150964859
Anons will be surprised when kids say ps3s are an old person thing yet still act like they were never with it
Anonymous No.150966459 [Report]
>>150963761
With theatrical releases, you can kind of understand how that happens. Animated films can sometimes be done far in advance of their release date, but editing and final touches can take time, and sometimes the studio just holds on to a release until a good time of year where there will be less competition and a higher chance for the target audience.

Pan wasted 4 years of his life on the extremely crude animatic (which is why he voices nearly all of the characters in those first few scenes) and then had a bunch of other animators make the rest of the scenes, and then pasted them together.
Anonymous No.150966533 [Report]
What do you guys think of the Kings of Hell segment in this video?
Anonymous No.150967468 [Report] >>150967657
>>150966292
i have a browser extension that restores twitter's layout circa 2014 because the current one is abysmal and a pain to use
Anonymous No.150967657 [Report]
>>150967468
Restoring the old skeuomorphic look would be much more valuable than just moving the flat buttons to the old places.