Thread 150911260

>Watching The Owl House.
>First season was weak.
>Too much filler, childish humor, almost dropped it.
>Season Two is suddenly amazing.
>Great lore, the stakes are high, Belos is a top-tier villain.
>Best fantasy from Disney in years.
>But the biggest issue: too much shipping.
>The lesboslop romance arc takes up a disproportionate amount of screen time.
>Feels like the main plot is being pushed aside for the relationship drama.
>Came for the dark fantasy, got 80% fluff.
>The worst part? The inconsistent censorship.
>Show literal demons and the threat of eternal damnation.
>But if a character’s shirt suggests a chest line for half a second, the animators panic and cut the frame (???)
>Pushing hard on the social message, but too scared of basic anatomy.
>Dana Terrace must have been making this show with a Disney exec holding a gun to her head.

Did this cartoon even have a fandom? Or is it just an illusion? I'm 26 and I basically started watching this cartoon by accident.

>>150911260 (OP)
>Did this cartoon even have a fandom
Gooners and porn addicts.
Prove me wrong. Look up art that isn't saphhic bait for male gooners and something sfw you can actually post on your normal timeline without getting an odd look.

Also...
In my country, this show has the same age rating as Chainsaw Man.

>>150911283
Chainsawman is much better

>>150911277
This cartoon has some kind of paradoxical popularity. It seems like it was once incredibly popular, but the popularity has faded so much, it's as if it never existed.

>>150911283
Pretty sure it's the gays, if a country hasn't banned this show it's given a higher age rating for having them

>>150911260 (OP)
It did, but the fandom mostly showed up for Lumity and squarely fixated on the gay relationship and little else. It's a little obvious that Dana wasn't exactly happy that the fans didn't care more about the setting or plot or other characters, but it's her own fault for prioritizing the relationship over the story.
>>150911333
S3 and the ending basically killed the fandom because Amity fans were pissed that she was of little importance to the plot, Luz fans got screwed over by the poor handling of Luz's arc, and if you were into any other character or invested in the plot, you were let down. S3 didn't end on a high note in either a good or bad way, it was just "meh".

>>150911277
Well, I enjoy straight porn art of Eda and Kikimora but I can see your point.
But I think the series had some potential, even if it was kinda wasted in the end. I liked the idea of taking inspiration from the art of Hieronymus Bosch and all that stuff. But apparently everything was in a constant flux behind the scenes and even the original villain concept of Belos being a rogue Palisman that ate others of his kind and just wanted to rule the world was scrapped.

>>150911260 (OP)
>Came for the dark fantasy, got 80% fluff.
basically

>>150911583
S1 did indeed set up some stuff that never got elaborated on, huh

>the savage ages were indeed a shitshow, and not propaganda
>the question of the Bat Queen's owner
>foreshadowing towards Belos' true nature
>demons being shown to turn small if hit on the head hard enough
>the mystery of what exactly the Owl (firebird) sigil in the Owl House is
>the background of the triple-headed goddess statue that Belos uses for petrification
>other petrified "wild witches" with unique designs that never get revisited

>>150911657
100%
Exactly.

>>150911333
>>150911532
I think it probably fell off the radar precisely because the ending was unremarkable in one direction or another. It wasn't very good, but it wasn't a complete shit show like Star Vs or even Steven Universe, the kind that would at least attract some discourse. It was bland and safe in the worst possible way. That and everything that was scrapped (to add onto >>150911657 it's obvious Hooty was meant to play a larger role) means the only thing left to discuss is shipping and how much Dana got fucked over

>>150911260 (OP)
Amphibia is better and you should watch that instead

>>150911260 (OP)
>if a character’s shirt suggests a chest line for half a second, the animators panic and cut the frame (???)
Wdym by this, I don't remember this at all

>>150911260 (OP)
>Feels like the main plot is being pushed aside for the relationship drama.
Because Dana Terrence cares more about putting lesbians in her show than anything else.

>>150911821
You know, that line across the chest that’s meant to show a character’s chest size? It flashes for a split second and then disappears.
>>150911829

>>150911277
Like, the entirety of Moringmark's work? He's been doing slice of like jokes about thw whole cast for years, almost daily, and there's no goon material there.

>>150911333
>fandom for a show that's over isn't active
No shit, not everything needs to go on forever like MLP or Homestuck weirdos.

>>150911260 (OP)
>Season Two is suddenly amazing.
This is obviously a lie, even the fans knew it only got good around 1/3 of part B of the second season, it was shit like S1 before that.

>>150911260 (OP)
>First season was weak.
>Too much filler, childish humor, almost dropped it.
I dont fucking get this at all. I wish TOH had more episodic episodes because those are always fun. I liked the humor too. Get filtered faggot

>>150912050
Nah they weren’t even funny.

>>150912050
I wasn't filtered, on the contrary, it was interesting to watch, one way or another.
Just weaker than s2

>>150911798
>show ends in main character dying and being replaced by clone because writers want their tragedy but want a happy ending too
>everyone drifts apart after life changing shared experiences because "that's realistic "
Pass.

>>150911798
I know this is a cheap bait (again) but Amphibia WAS better made. It wasn't that ambitious and the anime references played even bigger role than in the Owl House but it was more consistent work.
I still like both of them.

>>150912050
I find myself with mixed feelings about the first season. Although the comedy isn't the strongest point, it's quite comfy all things considered. The lack of complex characters or exploration of the setting outside of Bonesborough frustrates me, but I do like Eda and Lilith a lot.

It's a shame that Dana didn't want to do more slice-of-life/comedic episodes or make TOH into an episodic series because it's very clear that it's her innate genre/mode of storytelling. Every author is naturally drawn towards certain genres and ways of telling a story, and for as much as Dana hypes up adventure fiction, fantasy, and horror, it's not what comes natural to her. Doesn't mean she can't write it, but she's better suited to writing mundane/domestic stuff.

>>150912131
how do you pass on a show you finished

>>150911798
Sorry but S1 is a big barrier for me and for a lot of people too and that's a fact.

>>150911880
What's an example of this happening? Seems like an autistic thing to complain about. It stuck out since the other criticisms seem pretty warranted

>>150912131
I dunno, I feel like opening up with "escapism vs reality" as a central thematic point only to go "fuck you, escapism wins, it's only bad if you're a genocidal asshole" isn't much better as an ending.

Seriously, what WAS Dana thinking? Portal fantasy doesn't usually involve the main character having a permanent connection to the fantasy world for the rest of their life once they return back home because the adventure into a fantasy world is meant to act as a trial run for growing up, with the struggles and obstacles faced paralleling the perils of adolescence and young adulthood. Think of Narnia, The Neverending Story, the Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, Labyrinth, etc.

>>150912232
I actually have autism. And it's hard to notice it there. Essentially, it happens for half a second when the characters are in motion. To find it
now, I'd have to rewatch the whole series :/

>>150912184
>and the anime references played even bigger role than in the Owl House
That's not a good thing

>>150912332
Yeah, and being unambitious isn't good either and that is why I said "BUT it was..." after that.

>>150912403
I feel like TOH should have leaned more into the anime references desu. Especially considering how much of an influence FMA, Pokemon, Tenchi Muyo, and Evangelion were on Dana. Seriously, there's a lot of NGE references in TOH that I have to wonder whether or not Dana wasn't considering making things more psychological at one point.

>Hunter is basically Rei and Shinji
>Luz has Shinji's self-loathing and obstinacy (but to a lesser degree)
>Eda is straight up Misato
>Belos is Gendo
>the first episode's ending parallels Misato showing Shinji the sunrise as Tokyo-3 re-emerges
>daddy issues are prevalent
>the parrots on the pirate ship in S2 are a nod towards the MP Evas, and Luz holds the lance of Longinus

>>150912403
Except ambition without talent causes bullshit to happen

>>150911260 (OP)
Belos was right btw

>>150912497
in all seriousness, he continues to be right due to S2 and S3 deliberately never addressing what S1 laid out/was implying (there are good witches, but also bad ones), and S2 and S3 have to pretend that the BI is almost entirely filled with good and kind innocent people despite this undermining Belos' rise to power in the first place

>>150912481
This. TOH is incredibly inspired compared to Amphibia but it doesn't really do anything with it.

>>150912331
I have autism too but i got kore into the milfs of this show then the little girls for a change
>>150912497
Fuck belos

The show should've been about Eda dealing with this random girl than a human girl in a monster world.

>>150911260 (OP)
>an Owl House thread without excessive mnetal illness
A nice change of pace

>>150912553
>there are good witches, but also bad ones
It could have been used to give Belos a sympathetic backstory, like the reason he hates witches was due to bad witches putting curses and shit on his town and people.
But on the other hand I do like how Dana gave us a completely unrepentant asshole villain, which after years of sympathetic cartoon villains was nice to see.

>>150912586
Luz is what holds the show back from greatness because Character = Story. To be specific, a story's plot (and what drives the plot forward) and themes are marked by the main character and their emotional-ideological throughline (what they do, why they do it, and what this generates in the short-term and long-term).

Eda, Lilith, Belos, and Hunter are pretty much the obvious picks for the main cast in a world where Luz doesn't exist because the central drama is ultimately a family one. Eda vs Lilith, both sisters vs themselves, Hunter vs the sisters, Hunter vs Belos, and then ultimately Eda, Hunter, and Lilith vs Belos. Belos is literally the evil ancient grand-uncle of the Clawthorne sisters, and the brother-father to Hunter (or father if we're going with S1 Belos).

The problem with Luz is that not only are her problems and supporting cast mostly divorced from Eda's, but Luz doesn't really want to get involved with confronting Belos in the first place. The conflict only happens because of S1's ending, and even then it falls short thanks to the nature of Belos literally having all the power over Eda and Luz (but not being allowed to do anything with it because plot). If you have your lead character be an outsider when it comes to existing personal drama or drama yet to manifest, then that character MUST get directly involved. Otherwise, you're running with two plots that fail to properly intertwine and both end up underdeveloped.

>>150912184
I know this is cheap bait but let me earnestly and seriously explain which piece of children's media is technically crafted better. I like both of them, by the way.

>>150912703
I don't mind that Belos is an unrepentant asshole, my problem is that he's not very effective/meaningful/interesting at being pure evil, nor is he fairly humanized/made complex (something that spits in the face of one of the few coherent themes of TOH).

It's kinda hypocritical if not outright dangerous to go "the genocidal tyrant has no humanity in him" because it feeds into the post-WW2 mythology of fascism that ends up with ordinary people not being able to properly identify the warning signs of fascism and hatred, or recognize that sympathy and support for fascism/hatred/tyranny is a lot more common than many would like to admit.

>>150911260 (OP)
I felt this way about Owl House, Hellava Boss, and a few others. Had a list on my phone, but gradually deleted them after giving them a watch.
Most are unmemorable, to cringe, or had no real story. Maybe if I was a child again in the days of Flapjack I'd find them interesting.

>>150912816
>reddit space
>"we need to condemn fascism or this kid's show will turn people into nazis!"
Go the fuck back you faggot

>>150912882
what TOH says is ultimately no different than what Steven Universe brings to the table, the difference is that one is left path thinking (overly humanizing evil), and the other is right path thinking (de-humanizing evil). it's bad to go "you can talk no jutsu the genocidal tyrant, shitty people can be made into friends" and it's also bad to go "haha yes, kill the genocidal tyrant, he never had any humanity in him anyway"

>>150912882
>says "reddit spacing"
>wojakshitter
Kys

>>150912816
Just copy picrel

>>150913054
Frollo is quite the character, but I prefer the musical version of him. He's a lot more noble which in turn makes his villainy so much more twisted.

>genuinely fatherly to Quasimodo, and did not kill his mother
>orders the crowd to stop bullying Quasimodo
>his arson of a brothel is to smoke out the Romani
>tries to comfort Quasimodo after Esmeralda dies

>>150912050
Season 1's humor was different than Season's 2 humor. That was made apparent in the first few episode sin the second season. They catered to their millennial audience a bit more with the snarky ironic quips. I still need to finish watching now that you reminded me.

>>150912050
>time wasting phrase
>lust provoking image

>>150912295
>paralleling the perils of adolescence and young adulthood.
I could go for some perils, would beat being a NEET in a rotting civilization.

Sex with uncouth Princess Edalyn Clawthorne

>>150911798
>Amphibia is better
Based and Truthpilled.

>>150912295
The Owl House ending was shit because of how hand-holding it was, and it's so unrealistically improbable to happen to someone like Luz, if ever. The ending looks like something that a narcissistic, talentless twat like Dana would make.

Look at Amphibia's ending. It fits with the life-learning lesson found in old Disney series like Winnie the Pooh that Gen X and Millennials used to watch and grow up with. Owl House shitters belong as one of those idiots who believed that Winnie the Pooh should just never let Christopher Robin grow up and stay with him in the 100 Acre Wood playing make-believe like man-children do. You're the idiot who thinks that Peter Pan should stay being a kid forever in Neverland and should just keep kidnapping children to make the Lost Boys instead of leaving that kind of life to become a grown-up adult and marrying Wendy. TOH has that undeserved wish-fulfillment loser ending that doesn't fit Disney, not even Japanese isekai wish fulfillment is this level of pathetic as the Owl House finale. To summarize everything: Owl House is straight-up unwatchable garbage. Good fucking riddance that it got canceled.

>>150911963
>>150912003
Okay, for once I actually chuckled at a Boringmark comic

>>150916507
Amphibias ending was nihilistic bad end dogshit you cock gobbler retard

>>150912212
Season 1 of Amphibia is peak Comfy
>>150911260 (OP)
Even OP states how weak season 1 of Owlhouse is nice try.

>>150917284
Amphibia’s ending is not nihilistic at all it’s bitter sweet, its change is inevitable but when you embrace it you might be surprised what finds you again. How the hell is that nihilistic?

>>150917284
>amphibia ending wa-ACK
Cry harder you inbred dumbass. Owl House finale who so fucking shit it got the entire show canceled and memoryholed by the everyone forever.

>>150918154
Because everyone ended up bitter and alone. The fact the girls separated and lost contact and were cut off from the frog world is depressing as fuck. I hate shit like that its not sweet at all just bitter
>>150918176
I hope you get cancer tribefaggot

>>150911333
Blessed Trips, the reason for that is because it was "popular" with Twitter schizos who are incredibly loud, but as they don't watch the show, it means that Owl House was never that popular among normies, and after it finished, the twitter schizos moved to something else.

>>150918212
>incoherent owlshit autistic screeching
Embarrassing

>>150918212
They didn’t end up alone at all though? The girls get back together at the end, and despite missing Anne Sprig is about to go on a journey with Grime and Ivy. That’s not alone pal.

Dana is so hot.

>>150911260 (OP)
If Dana could just stop being a self inserting dyke obsessed with shipping nonsense then she could've made a.... decent fantasy world setting. Instead it's just all wasted potential.

>>150920723
Waifu material

>>150922097
Reminds me of the sexo pics of becky sucrose

>>150922097
Does she enjoy getting chocked as shes getting fucked?

>>150911260 (OP)
>The lesboslop romance arc takes up a disproportionate amount of screen time.
>Feels like the main plot is being pushed aside for the relationship drama.

This is just wrong. Amity isn't even in half the episodes. I think the runtime of the entire show is about 18 hours and the "all Lumity scenes" video was less than an hour.

>>150911798
>>150916507
>Can't see an Owl House thread without storming in to ramble about how much better Amphibia is

This guy's inferiority complex is unreal.

>>150923929
That spammer has been doing this schtick for close to five years now IIRC and moderation has done nothing about him. We can never have a decent owl house thread anymore because of this shit slinger

>>150923929
>jeet thinks that this is his troon twitter echo chamber circlejerk safe space
Why don't you go back to Twitter, where you mentally ill thirdie autists can huff each other's farts over how great your canceled mediocre slop was? Oh wait, even Normies couldn't stop shitting on The Owl House on that site too. Oof brutal.

>>150923962
>and moderation has done nothing about him

They ban him now and then, but he evades it every time.

>>150924089
I didnt know that, i figured they just keep all his shit up all the time

>>150923711
We have to include the "nonbinary" old man slop with Eda, the divorce stuff, & the snake just wanting a mommy.

>>150923929
Because no one cares about it anymore. Yet Dana Terrace literally has hype behind her current project which over shadow's Amphibia's relevance because there is none. Just a single shitposter that get nuked every new VPN.

>>150924320
Gravity Falls has more relevance than Owl House in the minds of kids today. I've seen them carrying around the journal book just last year. While Amphibia just got an artbook release last year.

>>150911333
It's not that it's genuinely that popular. It's that the small fanbase is just very vocal and the kiddy queer shipping stuff appeals to your average tumblr artist, so seeing lots of fanart and seeing some very loud autists constantly screaming about it makes it seem like it must have been successful in some way, but not actually.

>>150911798
Based. A reminder that Matt Braly and frogs won. Meanwhile, nobody gives a shit about Knight of Flopvere. You can find a total of zero KoG threads on /co/, and not only that, KoG has completely burned the bridge with the normies after Dana Turdrace's self inflicted downfall from the Frankie transgender drama. Owl House got the worst treatment after the show was canceled since the fanbase completely dropped dead like the show. This Amphibia winning is like Kira/Aizen/Lelouch level of mastermind manipulation.

>>150912964
>it's also bad to go "haha yes, kill the genocidal tyrant, he never had any humanity in him anyway
What

>>150924400
Truth, and Dana Terrace just rereleased own art book this year. First print sold out, and it had nothing to do with The Owl House. Just all her artwork that was online that got nuked when she started working for Disney. She is an actually illustrator and artist who got into animation.

>>150924605
Her illustrations are fine. It's her writing that's so ass. If she stuck purely as the idea lady & not the writer or director then she could've gone far.

>>150924627
No shit, most illustrators are not writers. This aint a gotcha.

>>150924651
It's not meant to be. But you're agreeing with my criticism that Dana & Owl House's irrelevance is due to her writing.

>>150924679
No, it has nothing to do with her writing, and more the ideas. I never made any mention to her writings. Writing has nothing to do with animation in my opinion. Just the visual spectacle. Amphibia is just as troupe riddled slop and Didney quippy as the next shounen for American tweens. The Owl House at least incorporated original elements inspired from Gaelic origins.

>>150924423
Where's your new show, Matt?

>>150924817
Where's your Owl House show, artbook, graphic novel, journal, spinoff, Dykena? Did all of those flopped and got canceled? Womp womp.

>>150924861
>Where's your Owl House show

On Disney+ along with Amphibia? Not sure what kind of "own" you were going for here. And good job on those books. Even my mother has published a book, so that must be a really big deal.

Dana having a new and popular show while Matt is making a fool of himself on twitter is what will finally break the tribefag.

>>150924924
>on Disney+
All I see is owl house flopped and canceled by Disney due to low ratings. Meanwhile Amphibia got a season 3, higher ratings, artbook, journal, graphic novel, and future spinoffs. Imagine bragging about making only 3 dollars off youtube unmonetized video kek. Everyone can do that too. A single cocomelon video has more views than Knight of flopvere btw.

I like The Owl House and I think witches are cute.

>>150925004
>popular
Digital Circus kept active threads going for months between its pilot and 2nd episode. KoG was well-received, but it's already faded out.

how did dana manage to put so many sexo designs in a childrens cartoon?

>>150911532
>It's a little obvious that Dana wasn't exactly happy that the fans didn't care more about the setting or plot or other characters
I could have sworn she would be elated that people cared so much about her main gay couple, even at the cost of the story.
Do you mind elaborating, anon? Seems like it could be a riot.

>>150925516
I think the better question is how she managed to ruin such a perfect design with just a couple of timeskips

>>150925408
>KoG was well-received
If by "well received" you mean heavily astroturfed and shilled by one mentally ill Danaschizo? Then yes. If KoG was actually "well received," the series would have been discussed nonstop and generated threads on /co/, just like Digital Circus, Murder Drones, Hazbin Hotel, and Helluva Boss. You can see that there's a real hype build-up around these shows by real people with actual interest in the show compared to the now nonexistent fanfare generated by the Indian marketers posing as KoG "fans."