Thread 150968922

Why is Tiny Toons considered worse than Animaniacs on average? Feels like people always prefer the latter over the former.

Animaniacs said "shoving my finger into Prince's asshole" so 90s kids think it's more mature and adult than Tiny Toons despite being the exact same.

I liked both and I had a crush on Babs

>>150968922 (OP)
It's not funny

>>150968922 (OP)
Tiny Tunes was seen as toddlershit back then (see the Seinfeld reference) and Animaniacs was seen as the more mature cartoon.
I personally have more memories with Tiny Tunes than Animaniacs.

>>150968922 (OP)
It's easy to evaluate the fact that Animaniacs came later, and therefore it 'must' represent a more refined and sophisticated show, that had evolved and dethatched from merely being a Looney Tunes spin-off. I like Tiny Toons better like 70% of the time.

>>150968922 (OP)
The waifus play a part, at least in internet terms. Animaniacs has more grown ups in its recurring cast. With a few exceptions like Julie Bruin, you say you crushed on a Tiny Toons character even as a kid and people will think you went to that island.

>>150968922 (OP)

Tiny Toons was more emotions across the board.

Generally, Animaniacs was more comedy than anything else.

Overall, you get more feels out of TT, and more laughs out of Animaniacs, but they both have both.

>>150968922 (OP)
....because it was.


Mostly the show was made up of really terrible knockoffs of existing Looney Tunes shorts. But by people who were not nearly as skilled at recreating the antics at all.
The people behind TT were not that great at what they were trying to do until near the end there. The last of season 3 was not so bad.

>>150968922 (OP)
I'm going to have a hot take and say that as much as I like Animaniacs, I prefer Tiny Toon Adventures. I also prefer the art style of it to Animaniacs

>>150969775
Also hot take, but I don't really like Buttons and Mindy, Hip-Hippos, Minerva Mink, and Katie Kaboom. I also find Chicken Boo mixed because it can be ridiculous in a fun way, but there's an uncomfortableness to the segments

>>150968922 (OP)
Think of it like a trial run. Lots of experimenting, in both animation, writing and voice directing. By the time Animaniacs came up, The studio was a well crafted cartoon production machine powerhouse. After Freakazoid achieved perfection, they could no longer sustain the output, and by Pinky, Elmyra and the Brain the studio was out of steam and money to burn, so they laid off the talent, letting them go, to run free on a farm in the country. Or so I was told.

A lot of people seem to view Tiny Toons like it's a weird not-quite-there-yet experiment, even though it was a pretty groundbreaking show and leagues above most stuff that had come before

>>150969469

>that episode when shirley stripped naked like it was nothing

>>150968922 (OP)
It was the first Spielberg cartoon made in the very opening days of the Animation Renaissance and a lot of the early episodes feel really rough as a result. They were basically just trying to figure out how the fuck to make things even work for a while. As the show went on it got better, but early on it has a lot of wrinkles and since those were the earlier episodes, they got more reruns overall and that's what a lot of people remember. Also kind of what >>150969903 and >>150970244 said, at the time it really was breaking new ground and was basically proof that TV animation could be as wacky as old Looney Tunes shorts, but because it was the first one it just clearly suffers in some ways and ends up feeling like the beta release.

All of that being said, it did have some genuinely great moments and I still like the show overall.

>>150969480
This right here. Also, the fact that only a handful of the Animaniacs crew had good segments. Everyone's in agreement that The Warners, Slappy, P&B and R&R are the best, after that it trickles down to opinion, with Katie and the Hippos making up the bottom. Like Minerva, I like her, I'd fuck her, but man her segments were not funny or deep at all.

>>150968922 (OP)
Famicom...

>>150968922 (OP)
That depend. Latin America and Japan love Tiny Toons but don't care for Animaniacs

>>150968922 (OP)
"How I Spent My Summer Vacation" is regarded pretty highly, and I bet many people rank it above any Animaniacs episode. But when you take each series as a whole, Tiny Toons was very rough around the edges, and Animaniacs was the more streamlined consistent product that had its schtick figured out.

If you grab a random episode of Animaniacs, you know what you're getting. If you grab a random episode of Tiny Toons, it's a crapshoot whether it's great or terrible.

>>150971524
>It was the first Spielberg cartoon made in the very opening days of the Animation Renaissance
Nah. It's more like: Don Bluth makes Secret of Nimh -> Spielberg is impressed because it emulates the old Disney way and then starts directly funding more Bluth films -> Also, around this same time, Spielberg helps Roger Rabbit get made (Disney + licensed characters + the actual animation was by Richard Williams) -> also, also, people started talking animated TV shows a lot more seriously (for many various reasons), and Spielberg once again showed up to help get the money and interest in for Tiny Toons
So it's not really the first or last thing he was involved with.

>>150972019
The "Spielberg cartoons" usually refer to Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, Freakazoid, Pinky and the Brain, and sometimes Pinky Elmyra and the Brain on the odd day someone remembers it. It's a term used as a catch-all for the TV animation he worked on in the 90s anon.

>>150968922 (OP)
Both good in their own ways, Tiny Toons is a bit more faithful to the classic Looney Tunes cartoons and Animaniacs was a bit more meta fourth wall-y with its jokes. Tiny Toons had more waifus but Tiny Toons had Slappy so

>>150972048
True. But I prefer to refer to the TV content as WB shows, because there's clearly stuff with the exact same DNA like Road Rovers that didn't have Spielberg's name on.

>>150971907
There's was no "Summer" in the title.

>>150968922 (OP)
Because it was, and no amount of Japanese studio glazing will change that.

>>150968922 (OP)
>worse than Animaniacs
I have never seen this opinion expressed publicly

>>150971529
R&R sucked. The entire concept behind the short was:
> “Hey guys! We got Bernadette Peters to appear on the show!”
> “Awesome! Ummmm…what will we do with her?”
> “Uhhh…we’ll have her sing. A lot.”

>>150968922 (OP)
people who didn't watch either show dismiss tiny toons as being kiddy shit
the truth is that both are garbage

>>150972078
>Animaniacs was a bit more meta fourth wall-y
no it wasnt
i watched tiny toons recently and theres a ton of "haha this is a show guys, funny right?" way more than animaniac, unless my memory fails me

>>150971529
>>150973217
The more I think about it, most of the Animaniacs segments were duds.
>Goodfeathas
A bizarre reference to a movie not intended for children where they repeat the one gag they have over and over again, barely changing the formula at all.
>Buttons & Mindy
A retread of that episode of Tom & Jerry where they protect a runaway baby because the babysitter is a neglectful cunt and they get punished by the end anyway, ad infinitum.
>Minerva
Wow, she's hot! That's the entire joke
>Chicken Boo
A giant chicken is mistaken for a person. That's it.
>Katie Kaboom
Nobody liked these segments.
>the Hippos
They are fat.
>Rita & Runt
It's just showcasing Bernadette Peters singing voice. She's good, but it's still bizarre that this warranted an entire segment of the show dedicated to this.

Good Idea, Bad Idea had some funny bits, but the punchlines were usually kinda obvious.

>>150974242
I watched Animaniacs when it first aired and originally the B&M episodes irised out on Buttons being scolded by the mother. Then halfway through the season the iris ins with Mindy hugging Buttons were added. Wonder if the show was responding to complaints about the original endings.
B&M may have also inspired by the Carl picture books that were popular at the time.

>>150971660
Japan only liked it because it was “kawaii”, not for the jokes. If they were able to understand half the things Animaniacs was referencing, a comparison would be fairer.

>>150968922 (OP)
How come nobody talks about The Flame segments from Animaniacs? He had one more segment than Minerva Mink did

>>150976172
He’s cute, but he hardly fucking does anything except watch other characters do things.

>>150974370
>Wonder if the show was responding to complaints about the original endings.
Wouldn't surprise me since the people behind the show have responded to fans before in different ways. We got pic related because some dork staged a fake wedding with someone in a Minerva fursuit, which spread on the then burgeoning furry fandom websites, making its way to the people at WB.

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>>150968922 (OP)
Tiny Toons has higher highs but lower lows. Animaniacs is more consistently good. Some Tiny Toons episodes are rough, especially early on. I don't think Animaniacs was ever as funny as Hollywood Plucky or Cinemaniacs or How I Spent My Vacation, but there aren't too many episodes I'd throw into the fire either.

>>150968922 (OP)
Is it just me or did Animaniacs feel formulaic at times?

Animaniacs suffered from seasonal rot, the Kids WB seasons were nowhere near as good as the Fox Kids season.

>>150977503
I always wondered, what exactly made the Kids WB era nowhere near as good as the Fox Kids era?

>>150968922 (OP)
I remember playing the Tiny Toons SNES games on an emulator a lot, way more than I watched the show. Also for some reason I really liked Slappy and wanted her to touch my penor without really understanding what that even meant

Tiny Toons is better

>>150977686
Because it's good or because Animaniacs is surprisingly annoying as an adult?

>>150977660
Fox Kids switched it up every season. Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall they always mixed it up with new programming or rearrange existing programming with new episodes.

>>150977682
Slappy Squirrel is the best thing about that show

Both are cartoons for kids, yes, but Animaniacs was 80% celebrity jokes. That feels very low comedy.

>>150977883
I wish Sherri Stoner did more voice work she's just very pleasant to listen to

Semi-serious question. Are you guys somehow conflating the old series with the new series reboots? Because it's completely different people helming completely different projects.
Hell, even the original broadcasts were a mish-mash of varied dayjobbers looking for a paycheck, but a decent effort for the time, possibly even ambitious in it's scope.
Nostalgia is a mental illness though,viewed through a lens of misrememberance.

>>150974242
Granted, Pinky & the Brain was pretty formulaic, too.
> P&B try to take over the world in a single night
> they fail
> the end

>>150977906
Plus, pop-culture references instantly date you.

>>150968922 (OP)
Tiny Toons is the transition series from the actual shovelware HB shit of the 70s/80s that they had very little control over the contents of to full creative control renaissance.
To get that they still had to make the designs like 80s cartoons (very obvious LT ripoffs with only some personality changes) so it felt lesser then a fully original Animaniacs. Early on they had to get used to all this creative control and figure out what to even do with it, as many have been around for a decade plus and had no conceptualization of. So the early episodes were really sporadic if they worked or not while the figured it out, but really got it by the later half (which is why the specials are top level). If it released in 1993 or later it could have hit as consistently as Vacation or Night Ghoulery
Animanaics and Freakazoid later on felt like realizations of what they were looking for

>>150978113
The characters of Pinky and Brain themselves are very strong and endearing. You know as a kid that Brain is a reference to something, but that's not his entire characterization, he can stand out his own, unlike the Goodfeathers which hinges on being a blatant parody.

>>150968922 (OP)
Two factors not discussed by >>150969903 , >>150970244, or >>150971524 fully:

1. Tiny Toon pulled much more from Looney Tunes than Animaniacs did. Not only was it a similar tone and was general also a fourth wall breaking, irreverent slapstick comedy but most of the character archetypes and a good portion of the plots and gags are directly borrowed from Looney Tunes. Therefore, many felt am still feeling the show to be an inferior knockoff of Looney Tunes. Animaniacs meanwhile, features more characters, archetypes, gags, and plots that aren't blatantly borrowed from old theatrical cartoons. Even someone like Slappy, who clearly is inspired by Screwy Squirrel, has quite a bit to differentiate her from him in a substantial way.
2. Besides being experimental, season 1 (and possibly extending later) of Tiny Toon had a production that involved a power struggle where Spielberg, the HB people coming over from A Pup Named Scooby Doo, writers that came from the Groundlings, and New Mighty Mouse cartoonist alum among possibly others were each trying to make the show their own to some degree. The end result, solidified by Animaniacs, saw the Spielberg/Ruegger cartoons become writer driven affairs with the HB and Groundlings alum generally prevailing, Spielberg taking a backseat creatively, and the New Mighty Mouse alum mostly migrating elsewhere (a lot of them to Ren and Stimpy). This process solidified the identity, stylings, tome etc. of the Spielberg/Ruegger cartoons.

>>150974242
Eh, I would say Buttons and Midy is more immediately inspired by the Roger Rabbit and Baby Herman cartoons (Spielberg was a major part of Roger Rabbit) but with two major differences that made it quite inferior; the animation is significantly weaker (not helped that most shorts were farmed to Akom and Freelance) and the guy chasing the baby, instead of being a klutzy talking animal who behaves very human, doesn't speak and is treated much more like an actual pet animal.

>>150968922 (OP)
Is everyone atleast in agreement that Animaniacs was better with the songs? Sure, Tiny Toons had incredible stuff with their versions of Istanbul and Particle Man and Do You Love Me, but Animaniacs had so many incredible songs, whether original like Wakko's America or pre-existing like Little Drummer Boy

>>150968922 (OP)
Did anyone get a Marx Brothers vibe when watching the Warner segments? Apparently, the Warners were very much inspired by the Marx Brothers

>>150968922 (OP)
Would it have been possible for poor people to have grown up on Tiny Toons and Animaniacs back in the 90s? Like people so poor they couldn't afford cable or even much stuff in general?

>>150978723
Fox and WB werent cable. If someone was too poor to have a tv at all they were probably homeless

>>150968922 (OP)
I never cared for either.
I tuned into Kids WB for the early DC animated shows, MIB TAS, and naturally Pokémon.
They used to have a big block where they would show classic Loony Tunes shorts alongside Animaniacs and I would watch that hoping for the classic shorts.

>>150978795
I meant someone who had a TV, but couldn't afford cable and couldn't afford buying a bunch of video games and such

>>150977883
I would totally fuck slappy up the ass

Was Wakko’s Wish good?

I just want more Shirley art, bros

>>150974242
>>Minerva
>Wow, she's hot! That's the entire joke
I mean they were actually going to do more with her, ranging from giving her an obsession with puns to her having a pseudo mother/daughter relationship with Slappy. But then the shorts got pulled after just two airings because of people having a stick up their ass.

>>150978116
Nta but I'm fine with that if they're funny. Won't lie, TT got me to look up some jokes about celebs of that time.

>>150978925
You didnt need cable to watch network tv they were broadcast over terrestrial

>>150968922 (OP)
Both are on the same level of quality as both are beloved masterpieces.
>>150968993
Yes, it is.
>>150969029
No it wasn't, Tiny Toons isn't Blues Clues.
>>150969492
Nothing you said is true as Tiny Toons was made up of original ideas that will make Rumiko Takahashi and Akira Toriyama green with envy, and it was made by people who were trained by Hayao Miyazaki himself such as Toshihiko Masuda and Kenji Hachizaki, some of them like Nobuo Tomizawa, Kazuhide Tomonaga and Atsuko Tanaka even worked with Miyazaki on Cagliostro and Sherlock Hound, fuck, Kazuhide Tomonaga and Atsuko Tanaka even worked on Laputa itself they're that gifted.

The people behind Tiny Toons and Animaniacs were masters at their craft and everything they did in their prime (1983-2000) was a masterpiece.

>>150978855
No, you didn't.

>>150979414
Yes, it was a masterpiece.

>>150979726
Picture is finished.

>>150978161
Good point

>>150977660
Lower budgets. Same thing happened when Batman returned for a new season.

>>150968922 (OP)
If I had to guess, I would assume it's because Animaniacs had more focus because it's primary characters were the Warners. Yes they had skits for other tertiary characters but for 90% of the time it was Yakko Wakko and Dot. While Tiny Toons being a larger more ensemble cast had to split focus.
Personally I liked both but if I had to list which episodes stuck out to me I'd probably list more Animaniacs ones over Tiny Toons, which may be another reason people prefer it.

>>150977239
That's never a terribly bad thing you know, especially if it works. Get too subversive and suddenly things become an unhinged mess.
t. Kengan Omega reader

>>150981757
It's also why TMS had to do their own boards rather then doing revision work on American boards like it was during the Fox Kids era.

>>150978116
Depends of the reference
Like nobody is going to get that Michael Keaton joke of 'People thought he was too short'

>>150981700
Holy keyed, I kneel

>>150982345
Thank you.

>>150979726
>>150981700
Hey. You're not me!
Hey everyone! This guy is a big Phony! (JK. Nice use of the base.)

https://litter.catbox.moe/iayk6c.png

>>150974242
Much like Phineas and Ferb, "Formulaic" isn't really a criticism. It's like a theme and variations. Goodfeathers is an odd choice, but Buttons and Boo were good segments.I forgot about Kaboom and the Hippos, they can go.
>She's good, but it's still bizarre that this warranted an entire segment of the show dedicated to this
No, it's a variety show and that was the singing segment. So they had a good singer.

>>150971660
I had never heard of this 'trend'... For me I like Animaniacs more than the others; although in comparison both take a 2nd place next to Looney Toons...but I think that both are in the same level...or maybe with these recent 'reboots' influenced in the public opinion or not...

>>150982812
>Nice use of the base.
Thank you.

>>150979777
>giving her an obsession with puns
Give me my pun beauty.

>>150968922 (OP)
I tried watching Animaniacs not too long ago and it is painfully unfunny. People only remember it because of shit like >>150968958

>>150982812
>censoring an off site image
Still based Shirleyfag one day she's break 200 images

>>150983337
Because only 13 episodes of Animaniacs were dubbed in Japanese, and Tiny Toons got a slew of Konami (and Treasure) games while Animaniacs only got 3, only 1 of which released in Japan (SNES)

>>150983598
Why are you always lying? Animaniacs is extremely funny.

>>150983959
No it fucking is not. It is extremely unfunny.

>>150982812
What >>150983612 said. Do you think this board is as safe as the show?

>>150983973
Yes, it is, it's the best Japan ever did.

>>150968922 (OP)
What the fans said. It needed more episodes about characters with huge butts.

>>150983612
>>150984089
No, that was the joke. The "uncensored" version is still very tasteful, but I can't trust the overeager janitors.
Besides, no one is paying me to make art. Why do you think you deserve more?

My feelings between Tiny Toons and Animaniacs.

>>150985984
...And the small cake is Animaniacs

>>150985064
But Babs and Buster were in many episodes

>>150986065
I’ll give you Buster, but Babs has to stuff her underwear with a bowling ball to gain some shape.

>>150968922 (OP)
How are they even Tiny Toons?

>>150968922 (OP)
I think both are good, but Animatics did its ensemble cast better and with more variety. People complain about the pigeons that are just one big Goodfellas parody, but as a kid watching at the time who never saw Goodfellas I thought mobster pigeons were hilarious. And the same being true of various other characters and set pieces, they were all different and they all worked.
Tiny Toons, on the other hand, just felt like younger versions of the Looney Tunes cast even if they were technically different. There were some good moments like Plucky and Hamton going to a theme park, but overall it just didn't have the same strength or consistency as Animaniacs. Still good, just not as good.

>>150968922 (OP)
I don't know. It has the better waifus tho.

I can't fucking believe they made 15 segments about an impression of 1 Joe Pesci scene from a film that 99% of children hadn't seen.

>>150988205
They’re all actually 1/10 of an inch tall, they needed ultra high definition cameras to even film them.

>>150988249
>People complain about the pigeons that are just one big Goodfellas parody
I always wonder if Scorsese fans like the Goodfeathers more or less. If they’re better because it’s based on something they like, or it’s worse because none of their episodes except the first have anything to do with the movie.

>>150988689
No joke, there is an Animaniacs episode where its just two 11 minute Goodfeathers episode.

>>150968922 (OP)
I didn't like tiny toons for an autistic reason and that being I liked the original looney tunes and didn't want them being replaced.

>>150968922 (OP)
Was Chicken Boo mean-spirited? I always felt bad for Chicken Boo because everyone hated him

>>150991019
Was that the west side story parody?

>>150991926
No its one of the later packages. Episode 68: Miami Mama-Mia / Pigeon On The Roof

>>150991890
Chicken Boo wasn't mean spirited, the gag was always "Look at this obvious thing that mostly everyone is ignoring in this banal situation, and the one person who realizes it goes nearly inside trying to get everyone else to see the truth."

And then mob violence for having been fooled.

>>150968922 (OP)
It's weird how even though Animaniacs is very different from Looney Tunes, I still get a Looney Tunes vibe from it and it's not because of the characters or anything, just something about the vibes reminds me of Looney Tunes

>>150985984
Pretty much me as well.

>>150991484
Your autistic brain had nothing to worry about. The Tiny Toons cast were never going to replace the Looney Tunes. That’s like fearing the Baby Looney Tunes characters would replace the originals.

Bump0

Fucking hated Histeria.

>>150968922 (OP)
Animaniacs were too centered around the American pop culture of the time. Only Pinky & The Brain got any international novelty.
Tiny Toons was the first Looney Tunes that post-Soviet Europe got, so you have a ton of Eastern Euros praising the show even beyond its original qualities. It was easier to get into for mon-Americans.

>>150995311
That's also why there's that famous Gadget cult in Russia. From what I remember Rescue Rangers was quite literally the first cartoon to air from outside of the Soviet Union there, and the idea of a non-theatrical animated series was completely novel at the time.

>>150968922 (OP)
Is it worth watching this show to simp for Babs?

>>150995516
She has a bunch of fetish moments, so yes.

Did Plucky have the best episodes?

>>150995516
No, but it is worth watching to do animator breakdowns.

>>150968922 (OP)
It's derivative.

I like the bear with the huge tits

>>150988689
Well there are lots of classic cartoon characters based on celebrities or characters and kids enjoyed them without having any idea who they were.

The idea behind Goodfeathers or Runt (Rain Man) is to do a 90s equivalent to Foghorn Leghorn, The Flintstones, Top Cat, etc. where you take characters from film, radio and TV and make them into cartoon characters. It didn’t work as well, but there was decades of evidence that kids don’t have to be familiar with the original to enjoy the knockoff.

>>150991949
That was from the “season” that was just four episodes of material they didn’t get around to using in the first 65. Fox didn’t order any new episodes because they knew the WB was going to poach the show, so they just burned off the cartoons that probably weren’t good enough to use before. Hence all the unused Goodfeathers stuff.

>it’s another “schizo gases up a show that’s mid at best because it fits in with his obsession over a specific Japanese animation studio” intermixed with some furry art

Bruh.

>>150996039
Margot and Summer Dream Girl were pretty hot.

>>150995516
Even the shitty reboot is good for some fetish hornybait simping with them

>>150996854
The show OP brought up (as well as Animaniacs) was the best Japan has ever done, nothing comes close to them.

>>150998091
Famicom...

>>150976876
>We got pic related because some dork staged a fake wedding with someone in a Minerva fursuit, which spread on the then burgeoning furry fandom websites, making its way to the people at WB.

FWIW, that same dork got busted for having child porn, and now he's dead.

>>150996417
Only showed up for that one episode and made a cameo in Monty's song.

>>150996854
>show can't be good just because a schizo on the web likes it
You're an idiot.

>>150968922 (OP)
>Why is Tiny Toons considered worse than Animaniacs on average?
When did people said that?

>>150968993
You just don't have a funny bone, this shits hilarious

>>151000037
Post more Julie.

>>150979726
Might be able to do a couple doodles in the next few days if anyone has requests

>>151003019
For the holiday Shirley dressed up as 1987 Magica de Spell or Morgana Macawber

>>151003019
Any chance to draw some Babsy and Buster?

>>150968922 (OP)
There are a lot more Bad Animation episodes in Tiny Toons than there is in Animaniacs.

>>150971456
Girl wears a big pink sweater and nothing else. Awesome.

>>150979777
This. The comics fleshed her out more and it really helps the character. Even if it's something simple like adding a pun joke thing to her.

Shit, they made Nurse an U.N.C.L.E style character, which is more than she had before.

>>150968922 (OP)
Animainiacs was overrated shit as well. Doesnt help that tiny toons was following the footsteps of the baby trend back then too

>>150977883
>>150977682
I thought slap was just in animainiacs i didnt know she was in tiny toons too

>>151004030
Nothing you said is true, as both Animaniacs and Tiny Toon Adventures are beloved masterpieces.

Also Tiny Toon Adventures =/= Baby Looney Tunes.

>>150968922 (OP)
animaniacs was funnier

Shit as it was, it's still surprising that the reboot was just left to unceremoniously fizzle out and die in less than 26 episodes. It had a decent amount of pre-release marketing, and Spielberg even PR-spoke about it as "the best Tiny Toons has ever been" or something to that effect. Dead and gone, just like that.

>>151004450
Everything about the reboot was so off-feeling I feel like it was either an attempt to just extend the IP's shelf life or was some kind of money laundering thing. Or both.

>>151004450
Spielberg never talked about the reboot, all TTL is remembered for was they forced the original Tiny Toons team to do a Rick and Morty spin off nobody asked for because Erin Gibson only say the money aspect of it and when said Rick and Morty spin off aired everyone said "THEY BUTCHERED TINY TOONS FOR THIS?!?" and the worst part, the Tiny Toons reboot was LIGHT YEARS better then said Rick and Morty spin off Erin Gibson forced the original Tiny Toons team to do.

And while TTL was a pail imitation of the original Tiny Toons it is still much better then what happened to Animaniacs (Because NOBODY WANTED A SHENMUE ANIME!!!).

>>151002966
Here's another.

One thing that bothers me to no end about the reboot's animation are the lip flaps. They only animate the bottom mouth portion of the face when they talk, not the muzzle, beak, etc. like pic related. It's a small thing, but taking that sorta stuff into account goes a long way towards making the characters not feel so stiff.

>>151004450
They focused too much on the school aspect, there was little to no parodies, the baffling change to make Buster and Babs siblings, and the slapstick felt a bit weaker. The one good thing I can give it is giving more of the characters character.

>>151003019
I do not know so I'll throw a few at the wall and maybe one gets fulfilled maybe if you please.
>Shirley having a triumphant day of candy and using her powers to carry a series of full bags
>Shirley using an Ouija board to call upon lustful spirits of dead anons
>Shirley tricking Plucky by using a pumpkin to fake a pregnancy

>Go to college
>They all fail to become toon actors after the show and have to work minimum wage at Acmemart
Ah just like the modern animation industry!

Best furry trio

>>151005444
What does being a Toon even mean anymore now that most shows are weepy sitcoms for children/disney adults? They're earning their degree in slapstick and wild takes. They won't be able to land a steady career with what they've learned.

>>151004641
More, keep the thread alive.

>>151004450
>Spielberg even PR-spoke about it as "the best Tiny Toons has ever been" or something to that effect.
As good of a director as Spielberg is, especially from the 70’s-90’s, I would take his opinions on his own contributions to animation with a grain of salt. His opinion on TTA could still be colored by its troubled first leg of production.

>>151003019
Shirley’s aura fondling Babs while Shirley walks nearby looking satisfied

>>151005774
Cute, like you're the best anon. Thanks.

Remember the Plucky Duck Show?

>>151004450
If you followed along with the development and announcement history of this thing you can piece out what went wrong.
Gibson had no idea what the fuck she was doing and the whole production was a disaster. They had to bring on a co-showrunner just to clean up what was there into something somewhat salvageable, and by the grace of god they managed to salvage it into something very mid. That alongside the twin meltdown (that she decided on doing) gave them no confidence in further producing this after the set order it had. So they kind of burned it off rather quickly.
Its main failure beyond that is that it decided to make a very kid-only show right when kids were ending watching any animation and only online audiences still exist for them. They pretty much shot down the one demographic that would actually watch this chasing one that did not exist. The only way Tiny Toons could have lasted was if they pandered to social media and the type of shits that browse boards like this

>>151006810
All 22 minutes of it? Yeah, a little.

>>151008854
What went wrong with it?

>>151005911
Got a few more safe ones I'll drop from time to time

>>151006844
Or at the very least, contune were the old one left off. It's like they wanted to pull from the old one but HAD to change somethings (like the whole twin thing) so they could feel like they left a mark or whatever,

Just a lesser looney tunes in nearly ever way besides the hot women

>>151010726
No, it was on par.

>>151009579
They never actually made the show, it was just one original episode followed by packages of Plucky cartoons from Tiny Toons. A filler show, maybe with the hope that Fox would order new episodes if it did well enough.

>>151010757
It only existed because Akom fucked up X-Men: TAS so badly they they needed fuller until X-Men' TAS was fixed.

>>150968922 (OP)
I just don't like how smarmy the show is. It has a nothing cast and hack writing more often than not, yet the series acts like its hot shit.

>>151011188
Aside from parodies and making jokes about famous people at that time, it didn't come off as smarmy to me. Well, there was that one with joke about Bart Simpson.

>>150968922 (OP)
Both are hot garbage.

>>151011346
No, they're not, they masterpieces.

>>150985665
>but I can't trust the overeager janitors.
>>151011906
>>151011791
>>151011331
>etc

>>151012218
Honestly might be pushing it with some images. But when you design a character like this...

>>151004765
>the baffling change to make Buster and Babs siblings
To balance things out, Disney should make a Gravity Falls reboot where Dipper and Mabel are unrelated kids that have crushes on each other.

Layout from Toshihiko Masuda.

>>150968922 (OP)
>Why is Tiny Toons considered worse than Animaniacs on average?
Is it? I never heard anyone bring them up in the same sentence.

Last safe one I got for now.

>>151009669
All they had to do
>Same characters but they are in college now and make that fact very apparent
>Just reboot it so it is in the 2020s instead of the 1990s
That is it that it how you make a show work, even with new vas. They overthought it when they already did this but did not stick to it.

>>150968922 (OP)
I liked both.

>>150968922 (OP)
I enjoy both, but Tiny Toons has more cute girls so it's better.

>>150975214
Here’s the Japanese dub.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/user/4529536/
From my limited viewing, it looks like some of the American references Tiny Toons had were taken out. They didn’t bother dubbing “It’s All Relatives” for one thing.

>>150968922 (OP)
It's not worse so much as Animaniacs was more memeable well into the late 2000s with clips and shots from the old show such as defiant boomer humor or out of context gags

>We're the Warner Brothers!
>Like the studio?
>Not very much, but we don't have a choice.

Tiny Toons didn't have that and was more reliant on sound and visual gags such as Babs meltdown as a baby sitter, the episode is funny but not something that can be chop up into screen grabs and post on the internet funny.

>>151013957
>Credits are removed.
They needed to be left in so we can document Telecom's (TMS') staff as it was reported that the Japanese dub actually credits them (or how we know what episodes are directed by Toshihiko Masuda and what episodes are directed by Kenji Hachizaki), at least we have the sponsors they hired to bump up the show's budget to allow for said better animation, their extra cost of labor and to balance out the yen to dollar exchange rate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yyn6z25N-M (At 1:50)

Which one had worse characters?

>>150968922 (OP)
I enjoyed both, FiFi and Babs Sexo, Wakko was also very charming, Looniversity and Animaniacs reboot sucked dick and possibly should've been sent to the drawing a board a bit more though.

>>151015340
Laura Sexo, not Babs.

We been through this before.

>>151015340
Its kinda a shame, since the idea of Looniversity being a continue sounds neat on paper, but they really felt like they did the bear minimum for it.

>>151015404
They could've at least age up their designs to fit the setting a bit more to appeal to people that grew up with the series, but I guess the Tiny Toons name wouldn't have fit? I don't know , feels weird to see Buster in a university setting and he's still manlet sized. As it stands Looniversity is just AU fan fiction in my eyes, that very first episode leak still lives rent free in my head to this very day.

>>151015515
It is weird they're using Tiny Toons name, when Looniversity is a thing and all characterd behave like teen, but designs say otherwise. Frankly, would have been awesome to see I guess the teen version of Babs and Fifi.

It's almost genuinely fascinating how little impact the new versions of Animaniacs and Tiny Toons made. Like there were barely even any ironic fans or teens watching them.

>>151015804
Even Powerpuff 2016 had more discussions surrounding it.

>>151015515
>They could've at least age up their designs to fit the setting a bit more to appeal to people that grew up with the series, but I guess the Tiny Toons name wouldn't have fit? I don't know , feels weird to see Buster in a university setting and he's still manlet sized.
And that's honestly not a hard thing to do. I hope this artist does the other core characters, they did Fifi, but she's got big fuzzy bazoongas just hanging out.
So have a catbox instead; https://files.catbox.moe/1pgz17.jpg

>>151016101
>That Fi Fi Design
Wew, so that's the artist who did these images, I hope he does more at the very least.

>>150968922 (OP)
I assume it’s because of the episodes by Kennedy, Encore, and AKOM. The early Wang episodes were pretty rough as well.

>>151016393
Post them.

>>151015804
Animaniacs actually had a following until people realized it sucked and did not watch again for season 2

>>151017164
THAT bad huh?

>>151017164
Probably because we built up in our minds for years that Animaniacs was a nostalgic masterpiece, and then we, eventually, and disappointedly, had to accept that 95% of the show was really like this >>151013958 , and of course a soulless sequel would be even worse.

>>151016393
>The early Wang episodes were pretty rough as well.
Same team as Bakshi Mighty Mouse.

>>151017789
Not true.

>>151016208
We can only hope. There aren’t as many Tiny Toons fan artists today as there were in the 90s.

>>151019021
Why?

>>151016208
>>151016101
Ah, love this guys work.

don't let the thread die bros, post more furry babes.

>>151019021
Back in the 90s Tiny Toons fans were doing nothing but animator breakdowns, the furries didn't show up until the reboot.

>>151016101
If I could draw big titty Fifi all day I would be SO happy.

Favorite episode?

>>151015515
There are a few frames of Buster and Babs in the Jazzercize music video for Looniversity which exactly matches what I wanted their designs to be full time in the show, which is a clear aging up to the new setting.
Both are notably taller, Babs is given curves, Buster is lankier with some hip development. They actually look 18 there instead of just saying they are, but only there.

>>151015515
This artist is going too off model as of late. Just looks generic as fuck in most of his recent TTA pictures.

>>151023332
No, it's good. I like how it's horny and exaggerated but has a level of realism as a basis.

>>151023551
>has a level of realism as a basis.
That's degraded with generic furry anthro bodies.

>>151022649
Do you have a decent snap shot of that frame anon?

>>151015804
>It's almost genuinely fascinating how little impact the new versions of Animaniacs and Tiny Toons made. Like there were barely even any ironic fans or teens watching them.
Those reboots were both so terrible they retroactively ruined people's memories of the originals. I can't decide which one I hate more (actually that's a lie, as ass as the Animaniacs remake was, it didn't make me furious like Tiny Tunes did). Both suffered terribly by hiring 2020s writers, who only know how to make insincere irreverent shit that demands the writer get asspats for how clever they are skewering people's memories.
Both felt like Zombie Simpsons... written by people who weren't alive when the originals aired and only know it for Flanderized bullshit generalizations.

>>151024370
That outfit would make a good drawing for an adult Babs

>>151024737
>adult Babs
Out.

>>151024737
Would be down if someone drew that or least curvy teen Babs.

>>150996417
>>151010706
>>151011331
>>151011620
>>151011791
>>151011906
>>151012234
>>151012551
>>151012695
>>151013090
It's such a shame they only have her appearance once, they should have had made her a regular

>>151026683
How would you make her a regular?

any show that did this is automatically the worst one
i never wanted to punch a child before

>>151027061
Turn her into a part time dance teacher

>>151027112
>I don't know what I'm talking about.

Freakazoid > Histeria! > Pinky and the Brain > Animaniacs > Tiny Toons

>>151024737
Given they graduated high school that image is adult Babs

>>151027258
Needs to be FAT!

>>150978113
True but they gave pretty clever ways for Brain to take over the world. Plus both characters could stand on their own

>>151027451
Freakazoid > Road Rovers > Pinky & The Brain > Animaniacs (Season 1) > Tiny Toon Adventures > Animaniacs (Seasons 2+) > Taz-Mania > Histeria! > Pinky, Elmyra, & The Brain > The Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries > Detention > Waynehead

>>150995516
No. I'd argue Babs is one of the worst parts. Her "bit" was doing celebrity impressions and thats it.

Why did this show have 20 games? Was it really THAT popular?

>>151027478
Ya know hee and Babs, yes please and very much.

>>151016101
That feef is killing my cock.
Nice.

>>151027451
>>151027495
Not the case.

both Detention and Waynehead are skippable however.

>>151027531
Babs had the Superbabs WG.

Charlie Adler said he hated doing Buster Bunny and the shows crew for mistreating him. Jean MacCurdy and Steven Spielberg bein the main culprit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=740&v=QBXo4tS9o1U&feature=youtu.be

>>151027719
Adler is just still assmad to this day he was not cast as Yakko when Animaniacs was being produced while Tress was retained for Dot
Pretty much his entire bitterness towards Tiny Toons stems from feeling slighted for not getting a role in Animanaics

>>151027695
True, just need more fat art of her and Fifi

>>151027787
Fat tits....yeah.

>>150968922 (OP)
Even the people who worked on Tiny Toons hated it because it was such a mess of a production

>>151027764
Nice source

>>150978113
Following a formula doesnt inherently harm the quality of something, IMO. Especially if its a formula that can reliably provide fun scenarios and good laughs.

>>151027764
>>151028308
Tom Ruegger has told the story of how Adler quit Tiny Toons because he didn't get a part on Animaniacs (though the story was well known long before that).

> https://platypuscomix.com/people/ruegger2.html

Adler has claimed there's more to the story but he never said what it is. As you can see from the interview, Spielberg never really had confidence in Adler and Adler must have known that.

Does TTA work better in a 7 minute or 22 minute format? I prefer the longer episodes myself.

>>150978113
>>151027491
Most episodes, especially in later seasons, were about Brain coming up with ways to make money to fund his world-conquest plans, and usually never even got far enough to reach the part of actually trying to taking over the world before everything went south.

>>151027112

its apparent you had a shitty and/or abusive childhood and other kids, cartoon or not, being happy makes you angry. get help fucktard.

>>151027719
>>151027764
He wrote a few episodes before leaving. There’s something else going on here.

>>151030826
As expected from the French gal. Too curvy even for this job.

>>151027061
First you'd have to contract Julie Brown as a voice cast regular.

>>151030854
I mean he wrote/recorded those episodes before the Animaniacs cast announcement caused him to get mad.

There were only like three or four episodes left to record when he quit.

>>151031173
So no loss then, he voiced Droopy's son in the same period, I doubt he gave a shit.

>>151026008
>>151024370
>>151024737
Meh...

>>151031728
Heck ye!

>>150968922 (OP)
I like tta more than animaniacs because all the dated celebrity references were just boring to me as a kid.

I wish it was on Hulu still

>>151031728
SEX

>>151016101
Every artist pictures adult Fifi as a big bazoongas haver.

>>150968922 (OP)
As far as I can remember, the big problem with Tiny Toons was that everything was all over the place. It was like having two or three different shows using the same Tiny Toons' "skin". You could go from a episode that would feel at home in Animaniacs to another with a more restrained humor featuring a real life celebrity that most kids wouldn't even know.

>>151033095
I was mostly playing it safe since in the pic I linked, the fuzzy chest isn't covered, and /co/ mods can be a bit trigger happy.

>>151033095
I mean, girl has an alure. So she does deserve those big gazongas

>>151033095
>>151033295
I mean this is Haskett's design for teenage feef. Big future ahead.

>>151033332
Very big by the looks of it, lol

>>151032983
Why are kids who’s ages vary by 11 years in the same class?

>>151032749
They're working on getting it on Tubi.

>>151035188
Says who

>>151034582
Its a gag show, don't think about it.

>>151034582
>>151035988
Even the writers of the show didn't really care about the ages of the characters. In different episodes you could swear that Babs and Buster's ages shift from 6, 8, 10, 12. Basically whatever they feel like at the time.

>>151037100
Rule of funny

Dont let it die faggots, post more furry babes.

>>151032235
>”TV’s best toons are on Fox!”
>doesn’t show The Simpsons
Lol. I know this is obviously advertising Fox Kids and not the whole channel. But still. Lmao even.

>>151038492
Matt and his crew wanted too much money for that bumper.

>>151032235
Man, can't believe there was a time were channels like UPN, USA and others all went "Hey, why don't we host cartoons as well?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfC3hnn8RzY
A shame that Saturday Mornings and the like went out with a whimper.

>>151035188
Seriously?

>>151038952
Yes.

>>151033275
I need office Fifi to be real to make work bearable.

>>151039237
Just need to make sure her suit is extra tight on her curves.

>>151038952
How do you know?

>>151027478
Saddest part, only good fat art ive seen thus fars

Julie>Fifi>Shirley>Babs>Elmyra

>>151040324
I’ll take bronze over being left out.

>>151040324
Oh, man, fuck you. Now I'm gonna flood the thread with horny Elmyra art just to spite you.

>>151039732
It does fit Fifi's character surpringsly enough.

>>151041286
Really does. Her being a toon and so lovely dovey, I imagine shed used her fateness to her full ability.

>>151040722
Thats not Elmyra...

The Batduck trilogy were great, love when cartoons have direct continuation/sequel episodes, but spread across the show.

>>151040535
>shirley
>not ignored as fuck

>>151041806
I do wonder if theres any good arts of the magic duck

>>151041832

I want her to levitate while sitting on my cock and then she rotates in circles while levitating on my cock like a magic helicopter

>>151021493
Just go to an ai generator of your choice and make all the Fifi AI slop smut you want. Works for me!

>>151041923
Laaame. Better to actually get it drawn.

>>151032983
>>151039237
Better than Zaslav for sure.

>>151042154
Now this I like!
>>151042175
An this as well

>>151033275
>>151042154
This better be the setting of the next reboot 20 years from now.

As a kid I loved Minerva Mink.

As an adult Slappy Squirrel makes more sense.

>>151040324
Honestly surprised to see Babs not in the top three. As for Elmyra, this was one of the few times I liked her.

>>151042534
>Buster as teacher
>Babs as an actress
>Shirley as medium who's shit has a monkey's paw twist
>Fifi as a business woman
>Max is also in the business world (hey, evil CEOs are easy to write)
>Elmyra, somehow, is a veterinarian
>Plucky is a stand up comedian
>Hampton sells cleaning appliances
>Furball FINALLY finds a home to call his own

>>151015515
Hampton and Fifi are the true pair.

>age up
ALL IN THE WEST ARE C O W A R D S!!!!

>>150974242
>>Minerva
>Wow, she's hot! That's the entire joke
>>Chicken Boo
>A giant chicken is mistaken for a person. That's it.
These were kino thoeverbeit.

I think it's due to the differences in design.
With Animaniacs, you quickly learn which characters you like and thus which segments you'll like and which ones you'll be happier skipping past. With Tiny Toons, even if it's a segment with characters you like, you never know if it will be good or lame. I know if I see the Hip Hippos or Mindy and Buttons I can skip on to the next segment with nothing of value being lost. With Tiny Toons, I never know if a segment will be worth watching until I get about halfway through it. Shirley is usually a yawn character for me, but she was actually funny in the Film Festival episode.
That and Animaniacs relies more on original songs, whereas Tiny Toons tended to just use pop songs. Everyone remembers Yakko singing the All The Countries Of The World song, no one wants to re-watch Babs singing Respect or Elmyra singing The Name Game.

>>150968922 (OP)
Animaniacs was a critics darling because of the adult jokes and grown up references, so the pedigree stuck, Tiny toon is funnier because its an actual cartoon.

I wish we got that early 2000s reboot instead of Looniversity...

>>151040722
Fuck off!

>>151041529
Too bad only the last one looked good.

>>151045808
If we did get the 2000s revival (not a reboot) (really season 4) instead of Looniversity Uninhabited Planet Survive! wouldn't exist as the only reason why Uninhabited Planet Survive! exists was strictly because TMS couldn't get any money for a 4th season of Tiny Toons because it wasn't a Japanese created IP (the 2000s attempt was TMS' idea, not WB's, and the reason why TMS wanted to do this was to pay off Secret of Cerulean Sand's bombing) also no Sonic X as well.

Also the American team would've never done Duck Dodgers of season 4 of Tiny Toons happened.

The rejected season 4 is also why we got those 2 Treasure Tiny Toons games as well.

>>151046767
So in short, we be better off.

>>151045808
>>151046767
So Toonitics Unleashed?

>>151046803
Yes.

>>151045426
It's a trite statement, as well as being a hyperbole for both.

>>151046895
No, a proper season 4 of Tiny Toons.

>>151044975
Some people just don't know good tv when they see it.

>>151043277
As a kid I liked characters like Slappy Squirrel and Lucky from Bonkers. The "I'm sick of your wacky bullshit, fuck off and let me rest in peace" characters. I hated the characters that I felt were trying to pander to me, like kid characters and lolsorandumwacky characters.

All I wanted was more sexy cape stuff with them.

Why was Histeria bad?

>>151048497
Because educational musicals are not that interesting.

>>151044677
Keep the ages vague and everyone is happy.

Post more toonbros

>>151050225
No

Desd thread

>>151047250
>>151047348
So... who would be Catwoman?

>>151045808
What was it?

Bored. Done with thread. Back to work.

>>151053476
Good work draw anon