Thread 151166940

Did Pokemon and anime really kill saturday morning cartoons?

>>151166940 (OP)
Yes which is a shame because Saturday morning cartoons got pretty good in the 2000s. More shit like Jackie Chan Adventures and TMNT 03 should exist

No saturday morning cartoons ran 15 years after pokemon
It died because of cable channels alongside increased educational content requirements. Why wait every saturday morning for a few hours of toons when you can watch them 24/7 on nick, cn, disney and subchannels? Why pay for more expensive animation for educational content when you can get cheap live action shovelware from Litton and get the requirement over with?

>>151166940 (OP)
was pokemon not a saturday morning cartoon itself?

>>151166940 (OP)
Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon killed Saturday morning cartoons. No kid is gonna wake up at 8 in the morning to watch some cheap toy commercial show on ABC when he can watch SpongeBob or Dexter's Lab any time and day of the week?

>>151166940 (OP)
>kids preferred an adventure that's tailor-made for them over my Bill Clinton references???
Yes, Tom. You can tell me about how much you love Bill's saxophone while I put you to bed.

>>151166940 (OP)
>Here we go again.jpeg

>>151166940 (OP)
No it was just the shifting media landscape and western animation not being able to find ways around it. Broadcast weakened first which is why Saturday morning cartoons died. Then cable was a boon because all eyeballs were there on Disney, Nick and CN. Eventually that dried up too once everyone in America could access the internet/streaming. Even anime stopped playing on those channels when it became apparent no one was watching. The only reason anime took over broadcast was because it was cheaper to license and why pay to make original content when ratings are already on decline?

Now streaming is huge, but it's struggling because the big corpos aren't able to monetize content as well on it as on broadcast/cable. Plus, kids don't watch streaming as much unless it's for something they really like or can easily access such as Bluey and KPop Demon Hunters. Most kids watch YouTube which is why The Amazing Digital Circus and Murder Drones blew up.

If they want to revitalize animation, they need to put it where the eyeballs are. The industry also needs to appropriately consolidate because when there is YouTube, video games, TikTok, AI, whatever the fuck else, no one is gonna pay that much for like 10 ridiculously overpriced and barren of IP streaming services. It has to be on YouTube, TikTok, Prime Video, Netflix or Disney+, if it's not, your show isn't going anywhere. Simple as. Which means RIP most legacy cable and streaming companies. Too many options, not enough demand.

No, kys famicom

>forced to have an hour of educational programs
>cable tv
>super size me caused fast food and candy companies to stop sponsoring cartoon blocks

pick one, also the Big Cartoonie Show or whatever was ratings poison and nearly took down the whole network

>>151166940 (OP)
Tom Ruegger shows felt so fucking dated even for the time compared to other comedy cartoons like what was on CN or Nick even as a kid they felt off like cartoons moved away from that like reference heavy wacky inside jokes parody Looney Tunes stuff forever ago.

>>151166940 (OP)
>anime
>saturday morning cartoons
It's the same picture since the 1970s.

>>151169319
With the supposed lead time of six-to-nine months to make a half-hour cartoon in those days, I have to wonder why they even tried to be current. The one that takes the cake is that moment where Animaniacs referenced the 'thing' Ted Danson and Whoopi Goldberg were supposed to have going on when it was a two-week stunt to promote a movie.

>>151167253
Tbh me and all my friends preferred the saturday morning line ups, because spongebob and desu most of nick's line up were for fags and retards.

Cartoon Cartoons were slightly better, occasionally actually funny, but most of them were still toddler-tier gag humor shit that got in the way of the good shit coming on.

>>151166940 (OP)
I think what killed saturday morning cartoons was them being in the morning. you have to wake up and pray you catch the show you like, and then get bombarded with more ads then show. and it sucked ass because those morning shows were sometimes better than some of the regular programming on the actual cartoon channels, but you couldn't even watch them. You're giving kids 52 days a year to catch an episode, which is assuming they have control of the tv and their own schedule. And if it's a big show there won't even be reruns. dumb af model.

What is really the point in a morning cartoon program when you have entire channels specifically running just cartoons?
Anime, more specifically Pokemon was just a juggernaut that just demolished the competition and was such an outsider that the people in charge had no idea how to take it.

>>151169032
you first NES

>>151171173
>such an outsider that the people in charge had no idea how to take it
I still recall the guy they originally used to announce an episode of Pokemon was coming up next didn't even pronounce it correctly.

He called it PokeMAN as if he thought he was talking about some superhero with a name skin to Superman or Batman.

>>151170635
Also the problem is kids aren't gonna get the joke and most adults will just find it lame or boring, like a kid gets the weird surreal jokes in like Dexter Lab or PPG but not this boomer shit.

>>151170733
Retard

>>151166940 (OP)
>killed saturday morning cartoons
>by being an extremely popular saturday morning cartoon
Doesn't check out. This is just an EvW technicality.

>>151166940 (OP)
No, corporate greed did.

No it's Ruegger's scapegoat. The only other anime Kids WB heavily invested in was
YuGiOh. Cardcaptors was another attempt but did not last long on the block. If 4kids attempted to sell them more anime, they refused; Cubix sort of counts but it was a Korean show.
Fox Kids was the channel that went all in on anime, but it would not last with Disney buying out Saban's assets.

>>151172818
The late-era Fox Kids cartoons were pretty crap, especially that NASCAR thing.

>>151171516
Doug Walker said it was good so, so animaniacs must be a masterpiece

>>151166940 (OP)
pokemon has been on in the morning cartoons since i was a toddler, im 29 now and its STILL on in the mornings. it didnt kill anything its always been there.

>>151166940 (OP)
As a kid I didn’t see what was so special about Saturday morning cartoons when cartoons were airing all throughout the week.

>>151172937
Y'all bros was into that power rangers shit

>>151166940 (OP)

This show is highly satanic. Everyone knows that

>>151167457
CJ is a pretty cool character.

>>151173249
>Everyone knows that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHOr1eZQKps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzdUGrhMbe4

Pokemon was the reason I watched Saturday morning cartoons. I sat through fucking Johnny Test because it was on the same block as Pokemon.

>>151166940 (OP)
To an extent, but a few cartoon creators pointed the finger more firmly at Power Rangers. "Why pay for animation when you can just license some Japanese martial arts show and film a few scenes with Americans to pad it out so you don't have to dub/sub? And hey, if kids are willing to watch Power Rangers, maybe they'll watch other live action stuff! Why are we even paying for this animation shit?"

>>151173412
Pokemon played through out the week on Kids WB too. I would never subject myself to watching Johnny Test

>>151173602
I think the Kids WB weekday afternoon block got discontinued around the same time Johnny Test started

>>151166940 (OP)
Pokemon surely did then it killed itself

>>151173646
>Johnny Test was 2005
Huh. I thought it came out earlier

>>151173417
They were already shifting to live-action before Power Rangers. NBC used to have Saturday Morning Cartoons until 1992, partly because of the requirement to have educational content in cartoons and such, and also because Saved By the Bell was doing so well.

>>151167615
You know, I feel like if you asked anybody in 2000 - 2005, they would have assumed TV would stay popular for another hundred years at least. It's really weird being old enough to have gotten a feel of how ingrained TV was to everybody in the US, to now where most programming seems to be aimed at geriatrics who don't know how to watch youtube yet.

>>151166956
>TMNT 03
Ironic because the block it ran on was 90% anime

>>151171546

This.
Also, what really killed saturday morning cartoons was advertising, the inability to advertise pill commercials full of side effects being the entire commercial during those hours.
It wasnt anime, it wasnt "pokemanz" it was toy companies not being the top advertising contributors financially and stations needing to eliminate those blocks to advertise pill commercials, political ads and lawfirms 24 hours a day to satisfy their top financial advertising contributors.

>>151169319
Oh grow the fuck up already. No one cares about your asinine personal vendetta over decades old kids cartoons.

>>151174011
Vendetta? I just said the shows felt dated even back then which they did, I don't really hate any of them it's just I can see why Pokemon was more popular.

>>151166940 (OP)
Corporate greed killed Saturday morning cartoons.

>>151173763
It was shifting, yes, but Power Rangers put the problem on steroids. Greg Weisman used to bitch about how Disney put big bucks into Gargoyles, and FOX defeated them in ratings with Power Rangers reruns that cost a fraction of the money, sending an industry-wide "you can get the same results much cheaper with live action" message.

>>151169319
Rueggertoons were already huge before CN started making original cartoons (Tiny Toons predates the channel by 2 years.) The problem is that the bad ones like Road Rovers and Histeria came much later, which many agreed were worse than comtemporary cartoons.

>>151167615
Let’s not forget the elephant in the room: demographic decline. It’s harder to get an audience of kids when there’s simply less kids than there used to be.

>>151174053
As much as I love power rangers I despise the rise of live action on kids networks.
I understand it on Nick, but on the other networks it was all kind of ass.

>>151167361
This.

Also Saturday morning cartoons became shit and lost its EVENT status. Mostly the event status of saturday morning was dropped by the networks long before kids stopped watching.
It was a stupid top down decision by suits really. Like the 86 transforners, kids dont play with toys thing, and every show has tk be about van ambiguously brown lesbian and have gender nonconforming male and female characters.

>>151171173
Cartoons are cartoons and content was content....
Look retard.
Cartoons were special to that audience they meant the world to them
The fuck awful wannabe lunes tunes Hollywood cartoons were bad. I got it just...bombed more then it landed.

You can tell the people making it were just Hollywood types and lived the California life.

Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh were literally localized as Saturday morning cartoons...

>>151174375
You can partially blame the cartoon makers for demonizing families and human reproduction.

How in the hell did the people who make Disney's shit think they are going to survive and thrive by making media that demonizes the group that creates the family that they're group depends on.

>>151174462
Yes

>>151173910
>These Japanese Saturday morning cartoons are interfering with are American but Japanese inspired and Korean animated Saturday morning cartoons
Yeah the whole topic is steeped in it

>>151173757
It did. It was '06 that weekday toons basic tv died out for talk and court shows. KidsClick tried to bring it back but most of its programming was painfully outdated and it died out instantly. Ironically MeTvToons and PBS Kids are the last bastions

>>151174053
Ironically Super Sentai is on its last legs.

>>151166940 (OP)
>>151166956
First of all, no. It was Pokemon that kept it alive just a bit longer, since they were already blaming cable networks, video games, and E/I progamming for giving the killing blow, Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh were in active defiance of that, bringing in ratings on par with the cable networks at the time, it was due to 4Kids' bullshit that gave them the killing blow

Secondly, it's funny how we've come back to this. Anime is bigger than ever, and the western cartoon fanbase is blaming people would rather go to them, than take any kind of responsibility

>>151174462
Aren't you a little young to be posting here kiddo?

>>151175836
>MeTvToons
Does that actually count when the entire network is basically rebranded Boomerang?

it was western animation's refusal to adapt to modern(well modern for the 1990s) taste is what killed it.
Kids were simply getting bored of their low budget Looney Tunes knock offs. The kids who used to be all over that sort of stuff have grown out of it by then.
They failed to understand that action oriented "cooler" shows were THE thing. It wouldn't be until the late 90s and early-mid 2000s when they got the memo with shows like the 2003 Ninja Turtles reboot and Ben 10.

pic related encapsulates how comically out of touch western animation was in the 90s.
They were soooooo sure of themselves.

>>151176115
Still is

>>151175926
you make it sound like they stuck the premium cable network on basic TV,it's still a new channel that had to purchase all those syndication rights individually instead of housing a bunch of existing rights they had access to. It's a big enough risk worth noting, because. a basic TV cartoon/kids channel is very rarely attempted. If it was a cable channel it'd be less notable, but it's not.

>>151176115
That's just what they call upselling in the sales business, man. The licensor for those shows has a product with a know competitor that's doing well, but you can't just shit on your own product even if you know it won't do as well so you have to try and make up reasons why it might be worth buying.Sure these shows aren't as popular, but buying the three of them will fill air time and be cheaper than trying to license more popular shows.
Same thing with something like strore brand cereal having cheap mascots and trying to imitate more popular brands. It won't taste the same but it's cheaper to buy and serves a similar role.

>>151174358
>I'm retarded
Nigga there's even MORE kids than ever before, most of them just watch anime or play video games instead

>>151173417
The idea of using Toku instead didn't end up working because between the inability to get a big success like Power rangers, and the fact that there just wasn't that much live action TV tokusatsu for kids in Japan from 94-2000. Saban was adapting what they could but stuff like the B-Fighter footage ran out. By the time toku had a resurgence in the 2000's, Saban was more focused on anime and then sold the assets to Disney..
Disney's live action shows were a bigger deal and those were more for general kid's programming and not specifically saturday morning.

>>151176633
Thats not true. Especially after the huge jump on infant mortality and vacks induced deaths.

>>151175881
No that anon is right, they were marketed as cartoons or "Japanimation" because anime was only a thing to 20-30 something year olds that already bought imported tapes at conventions
That's also why Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh and other 4kids productions were heavily localized and were "sillier" because the people working on them just saw them as cartoons like any other

>>151176741
>still believing this
Are you the same brown person lying about this in the other thread? Actually provide sources otherwise keep sucking /pol/'s cock

>>151176741
>source: my ass
Oh yeah man the coof jabs killed every baby in my village, true story

>>151166956
>Jackie Chan Adventures and TMNT 03
dude we used to have ducktales and gargoyles, fuck outta here with that trash.

>>151176741
You know it's also evil to lie about babies dying right? You're not better than the soicucks trying to shill for 27 boosters you faggot

>>151174434
>You can tell the people making it were just Hollywood types and lived the California life.
Same as it ever was.

>>151173244
>Y'all bros was into that power rangers shit
Shit was live action and killed tons of cartoons.

>>151176815
4kids may have believed that shit but by 2000 it was evident to all but the dumbest kids these cartoons were Japanese as fuck. You could buy Japanese pokemon merch in places because they were imported to meet demand. Pokémon using arcs and longform storytelling even with most episodes being episodic and stand alone stood out. By 2000-01 you had stuff like Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon merch using Japanese writing to emphasize these were imported shows and not American cartoons.
Part of the reason 4kids' trajectory failed so hard by the late 2000's is that they still were stubbornly holding on to their notion that they were successful for un-Japaning shows when the Japaneseness was part of the appeal.
Somehow even Saban understood how to market these shows as being Japanese even with doing the localization changes they did.

>>151176633
anon means human babies.

>>151166940 (OP)
Saturday morning cartoons are a relic of a time when cartoons didn’t have their own channels. they were going to die no matter what.

>>151176815
>>151177089
the dub pokemon movies are superior because they have a budget orchestra and better pacing. The show only got worse when the anime also got worse, and no one with a brain would say it got worse because rice balls were edited out of existence.
Yugioh was already an initialized take on the original manga which had yugi brutally murdering people.
Not defending 4kids, but you kinda can't blame them when the japs had the same mentality anyway

>>151177258
>initialized
*infantilized

>>151166940 (OP)
>IT'S JAPAN'S FAULT
Oh my god kill yourself

>>151166940 (OP)
No.

>>151177317
browns have the autism of white people and poverty of black people they are so scary

>>151167014
This. As a really young kid I loved cartoons before school and after school. But when Cartoon Network came along, AND had really good shows like Dexter's Lab and PPG that I could watch any time? I never looked back.

The same thing is happening now with streaming. Now, kids aren't even beholden to cable schedules. They can watch any show they want, any time, as much as they want.

>>151174256
Those came out around the time Spielberg started making cartoons without Ruegger.

>>151176815
>they were marketed as cartoons or "Japanimation"
that was an 80's/early 90s thing
> It's called Japanimation! Or at least it was last time I checked... which was 1987.

>On June 5, 2014, The CW announced that it had entered into a programming agreement with Litton Entertainment to launch a new Saturday morning E/I block replacing Vortexx.
>The move came as part of a shift by broadcast television networks towards using their Saturday morning lineup solely to comply with the educational programming requirements mandated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
the government killed saturday morning cartoons not anime

>>151176815
>>151177258
What does that have to to do with Pokemon killing western Saturday Morning Animation? It didn't, it kept it alive longer if anything, also 4Kids was dogshit, albeit dogshit that helped sell anime in the west, but still dogshit
Better and more faithful dubs were already on the market by the time both released, DBZ and Gundam were already on Toonami at that point and broke records to say nothing about so much other anime

>>151167615
>Plus, kids don't watch streaming as much unless it's for something they really like or can easily access such as Bluey and KPop Demon Hunters. Most kids watch YouTube which is why The Amazing Digital Circus and Murder Drones blew up.

You know kids are not the primary audiences for those titles right? It's 20-30 year old adults

>>151177899
>What does that have to to do with Pokemon killing western Saturday Morning Animation?
not every single comment is about OP you know.

>DBZ
>good dub
opinion discarded.

>>151166940 (OP)
Unspoken in these arguments is the influence of organized sports. The 90s and 2000s were when things transitioned from pick-up games and informal/basic leagues with weekday games to formal leagues where your parents had to drive you all around the county/state for matches. On Saturday. There were a ton of times that I would have liked to have stayed at home and watched TV, but I'd had a soccer or baseball game to go to.

>>151178341
Except that post explicitly was about the OP, don't try to deflect now
And the DBZ dubs was, at the very least, good enough at the time from the Android arc onwards, and in any case was better than the 4kids dubs and was massively successful.

>>151170733
This. SatAM cartoons were doing things action-wise that Nick didn't start doing until Avatar and that Cartoon Network really didn't do outside of Toonami, save a few boondoggles like Jonny Quest, until Teen Titans and its offspring.

What these animators are really complaining about is that they wanted to do comedy in the vein of their heroes at Hanna Barbera et al., and the kids didn't want that. They wanted Kid Men in Black/Rush Hour or Animated Power Rangers. I always think of Freakazoid as the ultimate Boomer-throwback vanity project that was completely incomprehensible to anyone in the target under-13 demo. Animaniacs and Pinky and the Brain just skirted that distinction, too, by having catchy musical breaks.

>>151174256
>Road Rovers and Histeria
Those were actually good, though. Maybe Histeria less so, but Road Rovers actually played into the action-comedy thing that was popular then. It feels like that BH thing where everyone is begging them to just make a cool action-adventure show but they're like, "Nooooo I have to fit in my shitty boomer jokes and pop culture references!". We don't care, put the bitchin' fight scene in the bag.

>>151176848
JCA is the best of the lot and Gargoyles is Gundam Wing-tier.

>>151176040
>Ben 10
Teen Titans.

>>151176115
>Animated Strips
"Buy our aging trash." Like selling dial-up in 2010.

>>151166940 (OP)
No. What killed Saturday Morning Cartoons were cable networks which had cartoons 24/7. Saturday Morning Cartoons were on basic networks like local WB or Fox channels.
Blaming Pokemon is retarded, if anything the Pokemon vs Digimon wars were the peak of Saturday Morning Cartoons, maybe not in quality but certainly in popularity and hype.

>>151178831
>What these animators are really complaining about is that they wanted to do comedy in the vein of their heroes at Hanna Barbera et al., and the kids didn't want that. They wanted Kid Men in Black/Rush Hour or Animated Power Rangers. I always think of Freakazoid as the ultimate Boomer-throwback vanity project that was completely incomprehensible to anyone in the target under-13 demo.
Really, I always thought it was one of the fresher shows in terms of the Ruegger era and more ahead of it's time. Like it did have a lot of references, but there was also a lot of character humor and ones simply based off random wordplay that would predict the 2000's Internet's obsession with random humor. Plus some semblance of lore which also would have more relevance as later shows would blend lore with humor. If anything all the musical stuff in Animaniacs and Pinky and the Brain made it seem older and more corporate since it felt like it was riding off what they felt cartoons needed to be.

>>151178823
>Funi DBZ dub
>Good enough

https://youtu.be/l60MnDJklnM?si=pOjC8w9sQci_MXIB

>>151174462

Pokemon initially aired weekdays in the early afternoon awhile before it was moved to saturday mornings.
It definately wasnt localized for just saturdays.

>>151178831
>Cartoon Network really didn't do outside of Toonami, save a few boondoggles like Jonny Quest, until Teen Titans and its offspring.
Wait a minute you have shows like samurai Jack and Powerpuff (if you can count that as pure action too)

>>151178831
These were the same out of touch dinosaurs that shat on Astroboy on Freakazoid because LOL bad animation and bad dubbing, or that weird ass miscommunication on the Mighty Mouse show when they were supposed to take the piss out of Ghostbusters but the animation made the characters look like badly drawn Saint Seiya.....


That actually happened.

>>151178823
>don't try to deflect now
i only wanted to talk about dubbed pokemon and yugioh you gigantic moron. I give zero fucking fucks about your inferiority complex, eat shit

>>151176115
>>151176300
>>151176505
People forget that back at that time, their only knowledge of previous history was that certain cartoons from the 1930s to the 1960s were still getting rerun on broadcast television and comic strips were getting movies/specials/shows made of them (Peanuts, Garfield, Cathy, etc in the 80s). That's why they assumed Woody, Flintstones, and Dennis would last longer than the TMNT. They didn't foresee the shitshow caused by network and cable and WB's buyout of Turner

>>151179307
No, it was pure cope. All three of those shows were on their way out, and the OG Looney Tunes shorts was absolutely out of fashion. The contemporary incarnation of Looney Tunes, Baby Looney Tunes, was openly mocked and only supported by merchandise sales.

>>151166940 (OP)
Execs are just being retarded and blaming anything they can. If VR and Roblox was around then they'd blame that.

>>151179361
>the OG Looney Tunes shorts was absolutely out of fashion
No CN just pulled them off the air because they weren't getting the merchandise money since Turner was still separate from Warner, unlike with Scooby, meaning that they didn't see no point of airing LT

>>151179451
>CN
>in the late 80's
Huh?

>>151179464
No in 2003/04

>>151179478
Cool, we're not talking about that. We're talking about >>151176115

>>151179361
>>151179464
Nick had the license to air Looney Tunes in the late 80's/90s, so they were still in demand, just not from prime kid's time on Saturday mornings.
Baby Looney Tunes as a show wouldn't be a thing until 10+ years after the ad.

>>151179096
The Countries of the World bit made the meme rounds weeeeell before Bonjour Lobey. Maybe Candlejack? But that was a bit of a mutation, not just people enjoying it for what it was. The main thing that appealed to me about Freakazoid was the nerd getting sucked into his computer and coming out jacked, and the dude was barely in his own show half the time. All of Ruegger's non-action stuff were vaudeville throwbacks, which might have seemed like slam dunks in an era of All That and In Living Color and Letterman, but again, I'm thinking it was a demographic misfire. Millennials valued sincerity and immersion. Pokemon dropped you into a completely new world that played everything straight. The cape wing only got their footing after the DCAU petered out by Degrassi'ing it up ("These problems matter~")(If that reference felt cringe, you now understand why Freakazoid bombed.)

>>151179289
Then don't fucking respond to my post like and pretend it has anything to do with it dumbass

>>151179152
It was good enough to kickstart anime's proper takeover of the west, and did numbers. Yes. A few flawed soundtrack and voice descions don't change that

>>151178931
Nah it was worse than Freakazoid and Earthworm Jim. Couldn't decide it was wanted to serious and gritty ala SWAT Kats or wacky ala Animaniacs.

>>151179219
>Powerpuff
Like Dexter's Lab, wasn't so much an action show as that it used action in its repertoire of "entertaining things that can happen." A good action show plays out like a dance or a sports match - either the motion itself is part of the beauty, or there're stakes and drama specifically in the action set-pieces. PPG had a bit of that? Sometimes? But its action was more like a punchline (sometimes for non-comedic catharsis, but still a transient tool al the same).
>Samurai Jack
I treasure it as the gem it is now, but at the time that shit was boring as fuck. Courage had more action.

>>151179267
>or that weird ass miscommunication on the Mighty Mouse show when they were supposed to take the piss out of Ghostbusters but the animation made the characters look like badly drawn Saint Seiya.....
That was completely off my radar and, now that I've seen it, I wish I hadn't. Very little is as unattractive as this kind of impotent jealousy.

>>151179571
This feels like heresy.

>>151179677
>muh extremes
You're the kind of faggot who probably only watches five second tiktok vids and can't hold an attention span/

>>151166940 (OP)
To a point, yes. I remember most western cartoons being school slice of life shows & they were boring & sterile to the point I would just go outside & play. Nobody I knew liked educational cartoons including me. Along comes Pokémon & it was a spark of something different. It had fantasy, action, cute girls, & beautiful animation. The characters faced real struggles that western characters didn't.

>>151166940 (OP)
Bigger picture.
Lack of patriotism killed Saturday morning cartoons, Anon. But I'm not faulting the Nippon marketing here. Hell, this entire site is one of the prime reasons behind the lack of patriotism- nothing controversial about who likes what.
Patriotism is a lame social construct anyways.

>>151179677
I mostly remember and enjoyed the action bits. Not saying it wasn't wacky, just that my perception as a kid was that its wackiness factor didn't standout from the Wacky Background Radiation of most kids' shows, but the action parts did. Also the buff dog dudes were a natural stepping stone for a kid obsessed with BMfM/TMNT/Street Sharks.
I might have liked Earthworm Jim, but we didn't get WB until 1999.

>>151179790
Actually it was helicopter parents who killed Saturday Morning cartoons. Childrens Television Act made requiring 2 hours worth of E/I shows & no fun allowed. Cartoons have been sterile since the 70s.

>>151179577
there's also stuff like Hugbees and Poo-Gas where the jokes were entirely around how silly the words were.

>>151179451

Remember when scooby doo was the teen titans go of its network, i do. HOURS of it.
I never want to see shags and scoob again for as long as i live.

>>151179790

Dude, the most patriotic 80s shows were all made in japan.

>>151171169
I've actually never even thought about that; you're right.

>>151176633
Latino immigrants don't count

>>151171169
Hard disagree, I woke up at 5am to watch Zoids every morning.

>>151179267
>>151178831
Latino kids were more into watching Saint Seiya and then Dragonball even if the latter wasn't at all sophisticated and sincere like the former, Dragonball was much more stupidier and farcical then SS and yet the action made it enjoyable (Toriyama's humor was an aqquire test), also really young kids were watching Heidi reruns, late teens and moms were watching Candy Candy (whenever it was available) and the more available Sandy Belle, and when Sailor moon came here, boys were watching it more then the girls, personally Rayearth was more enjoyable to me even with it's faulty dub, which really has issues, not so much the names but the acting, but they were not that bad compared to Venezuelan and Colombian dubs which were AWFUL, specially the latter.

>>151179860
TEX
AVERY

>>151174471
Examples, please?

>>151180210
That was actually good cartoons

>>151180190
I caught Glimpses of Ninja Kamui which would air at dead timezones, too early in the morning which had a terrible dub and was butchered due to its violence, but I love it anyways, also it was the literal debut of Juan Alfonso Carralero, LatAm Will Smith in the 90s!

And Martin Soto too

https://youtu.be/lkUbc83vWk4?si=250cIrXvDzTCfs6t

What do you think Ruegger and his people would it tought if they actually saw this? They would it have em heart attacks.

>>151180190
>Sailor moon
Every boy was watching it even though no boy would admit it. The straight ones because hot chicks in mini skirts, the gay ones because strong chicks in FASHION, both because the action was really good. It's funny to me that the license-holders and marketers thought they just had a new Gem/She-Ra on their hands, like the distaff counterpart to DBZ. They didn't realize that they were in the decade that was going to produce the Spice Girls.