Thread 151176808

Why are the superpowers and fights scenes in comics so simple?
>I punch stuff
>I run fast
>I pew pew
Even "smart" characters will just build a robot-suit so they can punch stuff harder.
How many times have you seen Green Lander use his powers to create a giant boxing glove?

Obviously, not every comic needs O MY RUBBER NEN King Crimson-tier bullshit, but even kids manga like Naruto have fights full of deception, complex power mechanics and creative strategies. For all the shit it gets, when it comes to fights, Naruto is unironically more intelligent than almost any western comic.

The pacing in western comics is also fucked.
Any action in a fight can be broken down into many different beats:
>anticipation
>movement
>impact
>reaction
In manga, each one of those beats will often have it's own individual panel, and the action is choreographed in a way that creates tension and catharsis.
However, in the west, all of these steps will be condensed down to a single moment — sometimes the villain is sent flying backwards in the same panel that the hero throws his punch. It's like every panel is a summery of a part of a fight, whereas in manga there is a progressive rhythm of action and consequence.
I'm not just making this shit up — this cultural difference is even reflected in the core mechanics of western superpowers. Just think of the most famous "attacks" in western comics:
>Superman's eye lasers
>Thor's lightning
>Iron Man's hand-lasers
All of these attacks can be done instantly — they often begin and end within a single panel.

On the other hand, all of the most iconic attacks in manga have a "build up" to raise the tension:
>Gomu Gomu no Pistol
>Rasengan
>Kamehameha
You see what I'm saying?

Why is this the case?
Is it because manga is mostly written and drawn by the same person, while western comics are written and drawn by separate people?
Or is there some huge underground abundance of western comics with great fight scenes that /co/ never talks about?

Your ignorance is is a pathetic as your post is long faggot.

>>151176808 (OP)
MOMMY!

>>151176808 (OP)
Yeah, they don’t even call out the name of their attacks.
“Power teabag!”
“sempai no!”

>>151176808 (OP)
>In manga, each one of those beats will often have it's own individual panel, and the action is choreographed in a way that creates tension and catharsis.
>However, in the west, all of these steps will be condensed down to a single moment


That's because modern american artist want to make every page as if it was a wallpaper.

>Even "smart" characters will just build a robot-suit so they can punch stuff harder
well of course they would, just look at world history

>Europeans make modern gun
>it punches people really hard from far away
>big success, win at every fight
>Americans make bomb that splits the atom to deliver a harder punch than anything ever before
>use it on the Japanese
>they get punched so hard that they give up on this whole "standing army" thing entirely
punching is to fighting as boiling water is to electricity generation.

now, to answer the second part of your post, the japanese and other asiatics tend to write fiction where they yell the name of their punch before they do it, which is silly because it warns the opponent ahead of time. some people think this is cool for some reason, which is why it keeps getting used.

>>151176808 (OP)
Western comics put the story before the action. They aim to tell the story as economically as possible, because they only get a certain number of pages per installment. Manga can just burn through as many pages as necessary. Comics did not have that luxury.
Comics were once seen as disposable by everyone. They'd crank out these simple stories, make them superficially attractive with bright colors and bombastic covers and advertising to get kids to buy them back when they didn't have much other than toys to play with. Even then you'd get good artists, who'd basically slave away.
As the years passed, things didn't really improve, but occasional forceful editors and talented writers would come along to push things forward, especially in the 80s. Not nearly enough, though.
Comics are still largely disposable today. Some creatives have a droplet of enthusiasm in them, but the industry does everything in its power to bring that down.
We sometimes get really talented artists, but then they decide to exclusive draw covers or become writers or editors. They don't work for pennies anymore.
Basically, don't point at the western creatives. It's the environment of western comics that doesn't allow things to flourish.

Weebs have only gotten more pathetic with their ranks being filled with ghetto gooners, shrieking like animals Everytime me the latest season slop drops a mediocre sakuga into their trough.
Time was ,a weeb actually had to know some decent manga/anime, now they're nothing but a bunch of zoomer normies who want to be a bunch of hood rats.

>>151176808 (OP)
Couldn't hear you lookin at your tits

>>151177972
I often speculate that the reason Japan takes a far more choreographed approach to action is because so much of their experience with violence is secondary, with aspects like stage plays illustrations, and movies, where attention is given to the movement and flow and impact of individual moves.Even to this day japanese kids watch stage shows of heroes where the action is framed to be clearly delineated for the viewer.
While today's modern generation of American creators are probably not fighters themselves, the roots of storytelling for it came from people who were in actual fights, and saw how short and brutal they could be. It was about trying to end it as quickly and hard as possible so the other guy does not get up and you're not worn out.
The American version of the Japanese way of elaborate fights seems to be coming from people who like professional wrestling and want to bring in that pomp an ceremony into comics.

/tv/schizo thread.

>>151178202
it's because, japs watched webm related while growing up

>>151176808 (OP)
>Why are the superpowers and fights scenes in comics so simple?
In order to get your portfolio selected you have to do exactly what everyone else has been doing the past 10 years. There isn't any room for innovation unless you go viral outside the system and they have no choice but to leech off your momentum.

>>151178274
wuxia is a big influence

This is a copy paste thread by the way. I'm also going to assume whoever is spamming all these variations of EAST VS WEST threads right now got off his meds.

You're not going to see someone focusing on the psychology of the fight in your average capeshit event comic. See Nightwing v Deathstroke from Dark Crisis, as an example. It's not that kind of story.

>>151179663
But if you look towards the comics built around martial arts fighters, where the fight itself is the point, you'll find what you want. See Iron Fist or Daredevil for examples.

>>151179543
The catalog is full of spam right now. I guess kids have Friday's off from school?

>>151179543
Maybe, but i like the point. I can't put into words why i can't enjoy murrican comics

>>151179776
The way I started was pretty cool, but there are pros and cons. I started seriously reading American comics, Euro comics, and manga at around the same time.

>>151176808 (OP)
I want her to travel back in time and molest me.

>>151178202
>the roots of storytelling for it came from people who were in actual fights, and saw how short and brutal they could be
This is bullshit and you know it

IF there's a version of OP that isn't a malicious troll it's that anime fight have a greater tendency to have a dramatic arc in an uf themselves. The fight is a self contained story with highs and lows. Where as a western fight scene is more of an action break from the story. It's part of the larger plot and serves that arc rather than having its own arc.

>>151178202
I like Kirby's action sequences.

>>151179901
me too
I want her to stick a finger in my ass while she jerks me off

>>151178202
Anon not every Japanese person is a Yakuza character, they're not fighting just as a secondary action. Hell by your logic Americans should understand fighting way more since they're more likely to get into a random brawl. 37% of American students have been in an altercation.

>>151180382
nah, guys like Jack Kirby used to fight. While bullying has become less physical over the decades, Americans are exposed to real violence in a way where the emphasis is how quick and brutal it can be.
>>151181834
anon, the opposite is what I meant. Americans get into random brawls so fighting to them is more about short, quick bursts of action. Most people who get into fights aren't trained fighters, your average altercation is sloppy and inelegant.

>>151179663
>You're not going to see someone focusing on the psychology of the fight in your average capeshit event comic.
You're not going to see that in most shonenshit either aside from "the winning character is calm and based and the losing character is a seething basedjak"

>>151181656
same

>>151176808 (OP)
>Why are the superpowers and fights scenes in comics so simple?

It's tradition. Honestly. The main reason they all are like that is because the previous generation was like that too.

Also making things all clever like Araki is HARD and takes a lot of work, and a lot of "creatives" just don't have the ability or don't want to put in the extra effort in a job that pays pennies.

>>151176808 (OP)
How many times are you gonna spam the exact same thread

>Spends six months in a single arc fighting the same dude
Oh yeah real riveting conflict there ya fucking weebass chimps.

>>151179543
There needs to be more east vs west. The big 2 machine needs to be harangued by anyone who gives a shit about the sequential art medium until they retire or get it through their thick skulls that theyve been doing it wrong

>>151183673

That's why you make them draw 20 pages per week.
>how
Army of assistants doing all non-essential work, just like Japan.
>how do you pay them
Well for that you simply need to make comics an incredibly huge and successful business, just like in Japan. You'll get more money that way and can afford to have 4-5 slaves help you draw the thing in time.
>and how do you make comics a big business, genius?
I dunno. Not my problem to solve.

>>151178202
Kirby had 100% been in a fight like this.

>>151176808 (OP)
>I'm coming to the comics & cartoons board to complain about why they aren't like anime & manga

>>151181796
I want her to put on a cowprint bikini and rape me.

>>151183615
JoJo gets pretty retardedly contrived, though.

>>151183773
well it is an autobiographical comic

>>151186428
kek

>>151176808 (OP)
Anon, ngl. The concept of charging up attacks and yelling what they're going to do its pretty unique to anime and it would look off in comics.
>Spider-Man charges an attack
>Venom kicks his ass while he's charging up
>Doc Ock puts out counter measures as soon as Spider-Man starts yelling what he's going to do

>>151187345
It can be done if both sides are fighting strategically, and emphasis is put on the wind up.

>>151187345
Charging and yelling is a thing from anime. In manga it happens in one panel so it's not the character standing five minutes yelling. It's just one or two seconds.

>>151181895
>>151178202
>western artists don't draw good action because MUH REALISM
This is fucking stupid. If people like Kirby cared about reality, why did they become comicbook artists? Also, using that retarded logic, the fights in western movies should be boring and super short but that isn't the case. There were good fights in movies with Sylvester Stallone, Jean-Claude Van Damme, Arnold Schwarzenegger, etc. Damn, if a movie like Rocky 4 came out today, people here would call it animeshit
>overpowered bad guy shows up
>old champion fights him but dies because bad guy is too strong
>protagonist swears revenge
>main characters go to bad guy's country
>hype inducing song plays
>training montage
>more hype inducing songs
>final fight is TEN MINUTES long
The lack of cool fights in comics is because most western artist lack imagination and talent. It's a fact.

>>151187345
You'd have to come up with something different.

>>151176808 (OP)
Sex

>>151183615
Pick up any Silver Age comic. The fighting in that is basically like JoJo, with characters using their powers in creative, goofy, and sometimes contrived ways trying to one-up each other, and explaining it all throughout. But it's done in six-grids and nine-grids rather than huge panel spreads, so the directing is not "hype" enough for zoomers.

Here's Spider-Man vs Fantastic Four from his very first issue as an example.

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/151177128/#151177128
Janny bypass is justified for use against this spamming and ban evading faggot.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=151176808

>>151187967
The fights in Rocky 4 does not look like anime fights.

>>151190768
This. Even the fights in the movies he listed are more fast-paced and to-the-point of action, rather than some Super Sentai martial arts shit with posing and dancing around each other.

>>151176808 (OP)
Another reason why manga has stolen the demographic that would have been reading comics

>>151190179
>>151190189
If only modern comics kept this crackhead energy for their fights instead of the absolute nothing we have now.

>>151190768
He's saying it feels like a damn anime. He literally showed what he was talking about.

>>151190793
Not really. You don't buy a manga for the fights, you buy it cause you like the series. People only into the fights wait for the anime cause they can't see panels and picture a fight happening.

>>151176808 (OP)
Boobies

>>151191675
In the most vague and abstract terms possible. Wow a big guy is introduced and a formerly powerful opponent is bested? That happens in fucking Knightfall and that's bog standard batman comics from that era.

>>151190780
>fight is ten minute long
>"fast-paced and to the point-of-action"
Go ahead and show me a cape fight that long.
>posing and dancing around
Most manga fights aren't like that.