Thread 151181475

>"Burn it like the witches who wore it!"
One of the first things you hear her say and then you see this shit like it was some kind of foreshadowing. So it seems like she could have some kind of 'Agatha All Along' backstory where she'd know, but then the skin tone, accent, and social media proficiently points more to some kind of modern brat with maybe 'Wiccan' type witchcraft or something, (but that actually works).

She seems to love being an evil bitch so much I can't imagine her having any kind of redemption story, yet I suspect the resolution of the whole show is going to be EXACTLY as per Charlie's original plan in the pilot:
https://youtu.be/Zlmswo0S0e0?t=391
>"Everybody smiling and happy in Heaven", (singing showtunes).

Assuming that's the case then literally EVERYONE has some kind of a redemption arc, (unless they are irredeemably evil and have to be killed along the way to get that final result). But I just can't see any kind of redemption for Velvette. I can't even hazard a guess, anyone got any ideas?

>Love this character more the more I see of her, and Lilli is totally tearing that shit up like nobody's business. Shocking to see an actually entertaining 'boss bitch' that has genuine-feeling female motivations from this source in the CURRENT YEAR. I'd say the females in Hazbin generally are well-written in that regard. Just her critiquing the hotel décor was fun to watch and satisfyingly consistent with her schtick.

>>151181475 (OP)
Velvette was a black girl who got shot by a cop, the end

>>151181508
Lame. They couldn't have at least been off-duty cops chasing her in a pickup truck with rifles taunting her and yelling out the N-word first, because some politician with an uncanny resemblance to Donald J. Trump made that legal? You have a lot to learn about writing modern stories anon.

>>151181475 (OP)
Baxter being a former young German or Austro-Hungarian doctor who was called up during the First World War to serve on a armoured cruiser as a combat medic in either the North Sea or the Adriatic and the boat he was on suddenly got torpedoed or hit a sea mine after a few weeks at sea, while he was a doctor just before the outbreak of war, he gave a woman like Helga from Atlantis: The Lost Empire (despite him wanting to go or asked to go on the expedition but was too busy and living in Europe at a slightly troubled time) a checkup by letting her strip in his surgery beforehand.

>>151181475 (OP)
>One of the first things you hear her say and then you see this shit like it was some kind of foreshadowing. So it seems like she could have some kind of 'Agatha All Along' backstory where she'd know, but then the skin tone, accent, and social media proficiently points more to some kind of modern brat with maybe 'Wiccan' type witchcraft or something, (but that actually works).

The neo pagan witch scene in Britain goes back to the 1910s and there's been assimilated black people there in mass since the 50s. Totally possible the Velvette died in the 60s or 70s as a victim of a short lived satanic panic.

Husk would be more interesting if he gets revealed to be Angel Dust's grandfather or some other kind of close much older relative. Feels like shit about one of his kids beating the shit out of his grandson so he pushes the kid to try for redemption without admitting the relation.

Best janny in the hellaverse

>>151181653
Hmmm ... still seems to clash with the tech/social media savvy, but she is obviously highly intelligent so could pick it up whenever I guess.

She could have used witchcraft to extend her lifespan and/or youth so she actually made it into the internet era, but seems like she's been in Hell at least some significant time. Maybe that's why she's so keen to make cracks about the age of the other overlords, and she's so full of adolescent defiance and energy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOarXIWBtWk

She could actually be some pretty ancient witch herself, but found some kind of 'Fountain of Youth' or type thing like the bitch in 'Tangled', Philsopher's Stone, potion, exilir, or did some demon deal for it.

Then that would be her thing and what she represents. She'd be perpetually up on all the latest trends because she literally never ages out of the young demographic, but at the same time has been around long enough to know all the youth trends going back decades. So she's never Boomers-out like normal people where suddenly one day they don't even know what TikTok, Fortnite or who the latest hot celebrity is.

The more I think about it, that would make really good sense in terms of a base character concept from which everything else naturally extends.

>>151181475 (OP)
New titles and singers for the upcoming songs dropped

>>151181850
Looks fun but ffs can Vox get a solo before he dies.

>>151181850
>Vox Populi was performed at the Broadway event
>Nobody has leaked anything about it
Total bullshit

>>151181850
Wow that reviewer was telling the truth about Lute not doing anything for the rest of the season.

>>151181832
I could imagine her being some kind of fashion influencer who got caught up in some kind of Team 10 situation. That would have still been relevant at the time she was first created.
Killed by the very "anything for engagement" scene she thrived in when one of the stunts went too far. There were a number of things in the Team 10 house which could have easily gotten the members killed (particularly one involving the staircase).
Hell, she's basically just a genderbent Nick Crompton in terms of "the gay British one who handles the engagement and business side of things."

>>151181475 (OP)
There is said to be 4 seasons.
So guessing season 3 might not be that hard.
Guessing 4 is a LOT harder.
Things to keep in mind.
roo - root of all evil
eve - unknown
lilith - questionable
alastor - he's probably gonna have a comeback?
vox - he'll fall/fail, maybe in season 3?

Now I made a couple guesses about end of 2.
I think vox is gonna WIN.
He's gonna CONTROL heaven.
But kinda makes you wonder what lucifer does.
Anyways, the real question is what happens in season 3?

Obviously roo - root of all evil, eve, lilith and rosie will have bigger roles.
There's been said that some of them are pretending to be others.

I'm not really sure what or if eve will be a role.
So the question is, what happens, and how does season 3 end?
So time to make wild guesses.
roo has taken over lilith? and is obvious big bad.
Alastor gets free and becomes big bad.
All a plan of roo.
The God (not the speaker) actually comes, and helps charlie realize her full power. (more then last time)
BIG battle.
Charlie and friends win, roo and alastor loses.
Alastor turns good, and seeks redemption (or he dies and gets a grave)
end of season 3.
(I don't think he should get redemption, but people are too attracted to him for viv to kill him)
Possibilities for season 4? I have no clues.

Anyone else want to make wild guesses for season 3?

I'll be hiding your thread OP

>>151182077
>I think vox is gonna WIN.
>He's gonna CONTROL heaven.
Some reviewers have suggested that things end up working out for Charlie and the gang so I'm not sure if this happens.

>>151182077
>Vox is gonna come close to taking Heaven this season but fails due to infighting caused by how much he takes the other Vees for granted
>Alastor's redemption is set up, the "anyone can be redeemed" is in reference to him with Vox as the red herring
>The leaks
>Vees may get redeemed but Valentino is the wild card. He's too popular to get rid of and too controversial to redeem.

>>151182124
Well ok, maybe he wont completely win or completely control.

But i don't think it will be a full lost battle either.
It will definitly kill or change some "big" characters.
And create an effect to carry to season 3.

>>151181850
>Abel's VA is in Bad With Us

Are the overlords planning to kidnap him or some shit?

Why did Angel Dust off his father?

>>151182033
Episode 2 seems to be the episode of setting up the villain of the next season for some reason
S1 EPISODE 2- The vees
S2 EPISODE 2- Lute

>>151182124
Vox is going to control Lucifer plus a whole bunch of Sinners to start an uprising and become a real threat to heaven. Charlie will come into seriously influential singing powers like Lilith's that breaks the hypnosis, which is the Hear Our Hope song from the trailer. She succeeds, Vox is thrashed, the end.

>>151182179
something to do with this little idiot, I'd imagine
makes sense to me, I'd kill for her too

>>151182195
woah just like kpop demon hunters

>>151182155
>Vox is gonna come close to taking Heaven this season but fails due to infighting
I can see that.
>Alastor's redemption is set up
I find it funny how a guy who spent most of his (known) life being a serial killer, is a guy "worthy" of redemption, cause he's "hot"
sigh...
>Vees may get redeemed but Valentino is the wild card
I can also see that.

To be fair, there are several possibilities that seem like they could happen still.

Here's some bs that could happen.
>the show plays into the alastor is foreigner (dark skin)
>He killed people only to escape his slavery
>he died before he could ever be free
>rosie is a past slave owner, in her past life she had a farm she forced and whipped guys into working.
>alastor just a sad slave boy yearning for freedom, not bad, right?
>the memes are now cannon.

It would almost be funny if they did it.

>>151181832
Okay, thinking out loud here but how about this:

Velvette in her human life is an ugly, (maybe deformed), woman who gets rejected and unfairly mistreated in the ye olden days. She's highly intelligent, able, but kinda before her time, (no muh women in STEM), but she figures out proto-chemistry/alchemy, and medicine and shit, maybe uses White Magic, which she tries to use to cure her condition.

When she's an old woman, she's trying to help people with medicine, (showing she's actually kind by nature), but she looks like an ugly old witch so people harass, abuse, and accuse her of witchcraft, and try to kill her and shit. She escapes being burned at the stake, (again because she's high IQ), lives in bitter exile, and figures out the secret to eternal youth and beauty, and gets into Black Magic.

She lives into the modern era and as you'd expect with any woman with perpetual youth turns into a mega-bitch and acts like a total cunt to other women, etc., (not to mention the understandable chip on her shoulder).

That would make her redemption story pretty easy. She's forced to realise she's being a cunt to other people just like she was being mistreated in life, and that she just switched teams, youth and beauty aren't everything, etc. It basically writes itself from there. She starts feeling bad and reverting to her naturally nice old self, eventually using her talents to help Charlie and the Hotel against the Big Bad, yadda, yadda, yanny ...
>which I totally agree with anon is Alastor: >>151182077
>not sure I agree he ever turns good though

So Velvette is there at the end happy and smiling in Heaven singling showtunes trading fashion tips with Emily or redecorating with gay Peter or some shit.
>already shown looking stylish wearing angel wings, hmmm ...

>>151182268
it'd be stupid pity bait for an objectively evil character, but Alastor going to hell and immediately getting enslaved all over again is also really fucking funny

>>151182195
>Charlie will come into seriously influential singing powers like Lilith's that breaks the hypnosis, which is the Hear Our Hope song
That is a good prediction.

>Valentino being redeemed
It's going to happen, there's a reason he's being framed as comic relief this season. He's no longer a violent rapist he's just airheaded and horny

>>151182308
Lilith is haunting the narrative to set up her return/focus in season 3. I would bet episode 5 mentions her quite a bit and her influence and image vs Lucifer's in Hell will be used against him to help Vox, who is channeling her and using her taglines.

>>151181850
Based off of this the episode descriptions I'm guessingL
>17. Vox's secret weapon song (it's the shark)
>18. Pentious rallies Heaven's forces to fight back against Vox, maybe he takes over as leader of the army for Abel (Lute found dead in Miami)
>19. Vox makes it into Heaven either before or after his defeat, we see his past in the crystal ball
>20. Hear Our Hope, Charlie unlocks her powers and saves the day, maybe the Speaker shows up and joins her

>>151181850
Seems rather early

>>151182308
I also like that. It seems consistent with Viv's high opinion of Broadway faggotry, and again to reference the pilot, it's her natural talent and in her genes I guess:
https://youtu.be/Zlmswo0S0e0?t=376

>>151182360
>Vox makes it into Heaven either before or after his defeat
>vox makes it into heaven
I think it almost seems too obvious that lute might fall.
Is she gonna fall in battle like adam. Or are her wings just gonna pop off and demon horns come out?

Also, what are chances they ever show adam in like purgatory or hell or somewhere?

>>151182422
I don't think Lute is falling this season

>>151182422
Zero on the last point. That is stinger/cliffhanger content and we already know this season doesn't have those like season 1 did.

>>151182336
I dunno. Presumably there's going to be insufficient time to show every significant character's individual redemption arc, so you'd have to split them into 'teams' where one side is going to get wiped out so the others can all 'live in harmony' at the end.
>which would be ironic considering the anti-religious argument from Viv's side of the political spectrum is that you couldn't never be happy in Heaven knowing family and friends are burning for eternity in Hell

Unless some uber-mass conversion shit happens, but that could be a tall order to make satisfying narratively speaking.

>>151182487
Val's not being redeemed, he has a bigger part compared to last season but he's still barely been in this one and we're halfway done.

Lol.

>>151182487
>which would be ironic considering the anti-religious argument from Viv's side of the political spectrum is that you couldn't never be happy in Heaven knowing family and friends are burning for eternity in Hell
I'll tell you one thing for sure, if this happens, Viv gets called on it, and she's like, "Yeah, but those people were bad", I will laugh my fucking arse off at the final proof of her truly bottomless fucktardation.

>>151182336
They really need to give up the Vees after this forced focus season but clearly members of the team are obsessed with them so they probably won't. Nothing will make me take Vox seriously knowing he's so irrelevant in the grand story and Valentino should just exist to be killed by Angel Dust eventually.

>Viv said something really controversial happens this season that people will hate her for
>she was nervous about accidentally making Vox come across as too similar to Trump
If there's a redemption happening this season it'll be Vox's, but it'll be unintentional on his part and be something like "well you used your influence to divide people and preach hate in life but you used it to unite people in death" which will piss everyone off. The only silver lining will be that Vox is miserable in Heaven because he has no powers and no Vees.

>>151182578
>Valentino killed to free Angel Dust eventually
>Vox stomped in the dirt never to be important again after this season
Velvette will be the redeemed one.

>>151182526
>punched right in the womb
How is Vox going to get him pregnant now?!

>>151182643
Vox will decide to carry their child inshallah

>>151182637
>Vox stomped in the dirt never to be important again after this season
But ... but ... he's got such a great voice. Would be one 'helluva loss'.

So far, the leaks of Season 2 from this tweet posted on October 21 seem to be very accurate.

Here are some screenshots about future episodes if you do not use Twitter

https://x.com/wispiicoatl/status/1980737195532251217?t=AKzD4WH8kb4hIpRGNvKAfQ&s=19

>>151182635
I don't know, he has an insane chemistry with Alastor and the other Vees, not from a shipping point of view, they genuinely work better together than everyone else in their specific setting. It would be a waste to not get that anymore to have another Pentious situation with the exact same punchline

>>151182691
If these are true (which they are very likely to be) these are just bafflingly stupid writing choices even for this show lmao

>>151182678
Vox already has more focus than is warranted for his character this season. They just need to pull an Alex Brightman and have Borle voice a different character, too.

>>151182691
The lack of detail on episode 5 is weird considering it's the most hyped episode.

>>151182643
Alastor will stomp him after playing him to his ends to break his deals. Vox will get his own hand pregnant while crying.

the entire show is a humiliation ritual for alastor

>>151182578
Surprisingly, I'm fine with the Vees as antagonists. I think Vox has potential if they don't fuck up the writing and if they cut down on the self indulgent fan service like S2E4. He isn't particularly interesting, but he is entertaining and is a good antagonist to Charlie and her morals.

But I'm still very skeptical of them as big bad level main antagonists who are capable of threatening Heaven. I think them becoming a legitimate threat to Heaven will significantly decrease Heaven's importance and status in the narrative. The stakes already feel way off after the Season 1 finale and this would just make it worse.

>>151182691
My only gripe is that if Sera is in episode 5 she would be singing, but it's only Lucifer and Vox.

>>151182635
>The only silver lining will be that Vox is miserable in Heaven because he has no powers and no Vees.
Why would a redeemed Vox be miserable? He'll finally have what he always really wanted since he was a nerdy CRT ... friends.

He has no reason to be unhappy the same way Pentius is. Just imagine the unholy size of the VoxTech TV Heaven is going to get.

>>151182772
Good, he's more fun as the buttmonkey.

>>151182718
If this turns out to be true, this just confirms my priors about Lucifer being the biggest fucking joke in this show. I look forward to the next few weeks where everyone agrees with me

Poor Val...

>>151181831
I'm just happy to hear that all the cockroaches go to Hell. They fucking deserve it.

>>151182880
Delicious moth rapist.

>>151182813
Agreed. It makes sense that he needs Lucifer to be a threat to Heaven, but that in turn just reinforces Lucifer's power and importance over his, especially since the next season focuses more on Lucifer. I feel like the show failed to justify Vox of all characters getting more screen time than the supposed protagonist. They really should have switched the plots of seasons 1 and 2.

>>151182268
>I find it funny how a guy who spent most of his (known) life being a serial killer, is a guy "worthy" of redemption, cause he's "hot"
It comes down to one thing. Alastor is the writer's pet and Vivzie's personal favorite. This sets him up to not go down by the end. Process of elimination. You can't kill him off or end his story on anything humiliating.
Either he's redeemed or the show ends with him in charge of punishing the worst sinners or something

>thinking ANYONE will be redeemed at the end of this season
they have like 3 more seasons of this show
why would they bust their load so soon if this season is literally set up for season 3?

>>151182268
I can't believe Alastor was an Alabama nigger all along, his motivations make so much more sense now

Well I guess Katie was a guy back on Earth
Seriously what the hell was Viv thinking, I can't take this character seriously. It was fine when Katie barely did anything in season 1 but she keeps showing up now

>>151182718
Weren't we supposed to get serious expansions on Lute this season? I guess she's the season 3 antag with Vox's attack stirring fears in heaven and bringing people to her side

>>151182678
I doubt Alastor will get much catharsis against Vox this season, so maybe Vox will come back so Alastor can fucking curbstomp him
>>151182772
And that's a good thing!

>>151182851
Vivzie isn't going to kill him, so the show has to make it clear that he isn't the "protagonists automatically win" button everyone was saying he was. I'm not surprised.

>>151182925
O RLY? How will we ever recover Kylo Sisters?

I am very confident that Alastor will become the Homelander of this series; as a result of being the writer's pet, the show will try so hard to make him mysterious. powerful, and scary that he ends up becoming predictable and losing all his mystique.

Hazbin Hotel constantly tells us to be scared of Alastor and to be curious about him, but never gives substantial reasons why we should feel this way. The exact same issue The Boys has with Homelander

>>151182925
>Alastor is the writer's pet and Vivzie's personal favorite
He hasn't been Viv's favorite in a while, this is old news. He won't die though as he's the most popular character.

>>151182925
>the show ends with him in charge of punishing the worst sinners or something
This one, or just keeping sinners in check to avoid chaos. Despite the memes, his deal sets him up to stay relevant and powerful even if/when the overlord system is dismantled and the soul deals abolished

>>151183042
>as a result of being the writer's pet
Again, this is old fucking news, her new favorites are the Vees and Lucifer. It's not 2019 anymore.

>>151183046
This. Lucifer is Viv's favorite. But Alastor endgame is clearly going to be him helping Charlie and causing havoc but he actually wants to be there now, so he'll have a redemption arc of sorts.

>>151183041
See, you talk about Kylo, RedLetterMedia pretty much nailed it on why the trilogy had to end the way it is
>He's too much of a dipshit to be the villain and he's done too much to live redeemed.
It says something that people are clamoring for a prequel because he was cool in Legends

Charlie and Vox have a ton of potential for an interesting dynamic. Like the potential is just sitting there for the writers to utilize, if they can take a break from the Vox and Alastor fanfiction and care about the actual protagonist of the show

>>151182851
Unlike power levelfags, I actually think the show has set up Lucifer being extremely powerful but weak minded enough from trauma and depression to justify him being hypnotized, so I don't mind or think it's out of left field.

>>151183119
Cope and seethe, hetoid

>>151183119
So far the most important element of the Vox and Alastor scenes besides lame fanservice is to set up Alastor to break his deals and get ready to be a main antagonist. But I also wish his main purpose was to challenge Charlie because that's way more interesting.

>>151183142
Why are radiostatics so insecure even after they "won"?

>>151182077
I don’t think there are four seasons.
The Vees basically use up the massive chunk of plot elements in season 1 (even Lucifer being dangerous).

You know Charlie mentioning Hitler makes me wonder, where is he? He must be in Hell somewhere and Charlie seems convinced that absolutely anyone can be redeemed.
Maybe he's been killed off already

>>151183170
No insecurity, I just think you should cope

Lutechuds where we at?
Only she can end the cringe of le wacky hell

>>151183161
why would alastor be the main antagonist?
he just wants to have fun?

>>151183209
Anon...it's been 6 years, pilot Alastor is gone forever.

Maybe Charlie has to use her singing powers to deal with Vox’s army of resurrected exorcists and Lute has to deal with Lucifer since Charlie can’t stand fighting her father.

>>151183031
>Everyone insisting that Lucifer would curbstomp the Vees in season 2 and save the day for Charlie again
How the fuck would this have made for a compelling story? This was always a dumbass assumption

>>151183205
Go make another thread.

>>151183187
they literally said season 4 has been greenlit

>>151183209
He wants to pull all the strings, is a schemer, is a main character, and his villain arc would challenge Charlie a lot. It isn't rocket science.

>>151183142
I can tolerate Vox and Alastor as a canon ship but the writers just need to be less self indulgent about it. I get being excited about a pairing but we really did not need to see Vox forcing Alastor to watch him have sex. Like was that really needed for the narrative or was someone in the writing room being over eager

>>151183249
When?

>>151183204
I don’t ship it but that crt and deer nigger is pretty cute

>>151183209
Seeing how not respecting him is enough to justify murder in his eyes, what do you think will happen to all sinners the second he's free after this season?

>>151183268
Seasons 3 and 4 were confirmed at the same time months ago. But season 5 seems to still be up in the air.

>>151183267
>or was someone in the writing room being over eager
It was Smiles

>>151183283
By who?

>>151182880
He was actually pretty excited to see them fuck.

>>151183285
That's probably why a Vees spinoff has been teased like it would be even remotely interesting.

>>151183310
Yeah, but he looked so lonely in the picture I posted....

>>151183142
>yfw Vox saves Velvette, she starts liking men, both convert each other to heterosexuality, and get redeemed. You think you can get into Heaven if you're a fucking homo? God hates fags, remember?

That's the key Charlie finally figures out and why Angel Dust couldn't be redeemed in the last episode. She then turns the Hotel into a clinic for Conversion Therapy.

This entire show is a religious bait-and-switch on queers, about degenerates being converted to Christian normality.

The final song will be about rainbows, that they're actually a promise from God to Noah, (character to be introduced later), and not a symbol to be blasphemously used by gay faggots. I have inside information because I know the Chad who gave Viv the D and converted her, and caused her to rewrite the whole show after.

Enjoy your musical cartoon show faggot.

>>151183267
>Like was that really needed for the narrative
yes
its vox showing alastor what they could’ve had
he says that to him when he gets dressed

>>151183267
>Vivzie barely caring about or liking it
That made me laugh I admit. Looking at her likes tells you a lot about where the story is at and what matters to her.

>>151183193
It was part of the "Pedos get killed early"
>Pedos get killed because they can't socialize well enough and therefore become easy pickings
>People like Hitler have massive targets on their backs the moment they arrive from a lot of people they would have pissed off
The pedo one felt so cop outy because the whole reason pedos are so hot button compared to other child abusers is their ability to blend in with the rest of society while continuing their abuse by continually finding ways to get access to kids

>>151183193
>>151183357
Viv simply doesn’t want to talk about it.

>>151183357
>People like Hitler have massive targets on their backs the moment they arrive from a lot of people they would have pissed off
So six million Jews went to Hell? So Hitler was basically right about them all along?

>>151183357
I liked the theory that pedos become kids in hell, so they're so defenceless they either die early or are forced to seek protection and sell their soul

>>151183392
Except Baxter doesn’t cause he’s too science.

>>151183392
is that why nifity is so small…

>>151183341
>God hates fags, remember?
There were trans guys in Heaven in season 1 so I don't think that's true to the lore of the show.

>>151183352
viv changes her mind on what ship she likes everytime she reopens her apps

>>151183352
Lucifer is heavy on her brain despite him barely having a part in season 2 because 3 and 4 have a lot of him obviously. If her preferences shift, we'll have a sense of season 5 plot. I bet it's Alastor and Roo focus.

What would your version of hell be like?

>>151183445
reincarnation is the greatest hell I can think of

Why do people talk about season 4 so much?

>>151181850
I can’t help but be disappointed Lucifer is only getting one song considering he’s better at singing than most of the cast. At least Sera, The Speaker, Lute, Charlie, and Vox make up for it a bit

>>151183352
I remember her liking more Alastor and Vox last year, probably because season 2 prep was in full swing. Her focus is elsewhere now.

>>151183445
I would make a ton of changes, but the biggest would be to make it less familiar. The fact that Hell in this show is basically red Gotham is just boring worldbuilding

It would be a lot cooler if Hell was much more alien and otherworldly

I liked Abel.

>>151183520
I'm sure he'll have a part in the finale song at least. But season 3 will probably have a lot of him based on interviews, so they're focused on paying Jeremy Jordan for that season.

>>151182744
it seems to be a list of things reviewers aren’t allowed to mention, so i presume that what’s being hyped is the song visuals

I’m not sure why people feel so confident about season 4 when there is no source on it.

>>151183520
>Jeremy Jordan and Christian Borle duet
Why do I have a bad feeling that it's a mid song and they wasted this potential? That it was performed at the Broadway show and nobody hinted or gushed about it is a bad sign.

Why is Abel singing in Bad With Us?

>>151183556
Sure, but this list is leaks not reviews.

>>151183357
how old do you have to be to go to hell
because there are some real fucked up kids

>>151183588
maybe they gave stump another voice for a overlord?

>>151183603
it’s a leak of a list for reviewers, retard

I'm surprised to see so many people praise this season. I felt like it's been a total slog so far. Nothing's happened and nothing's allowed to happen simply so they can stall for time as there otherwise isn't enough plot to fill 4 or so seasons with.

>>151183588
>>151183624
He’s an Eve minion.

A want a condescending, foot-smelling handjob from Velvette.

>>151183528
What would the demons be like?

>>151183628
It's terribly paced and Vox will have to pack most of his scheming into the upcoming episode 5 because they focused on inconsequential things. I would also say it's worse pacing than season one.

>>151183607
we saw cannibal kids in season 1

>>151183588
Why were the Vees signing in Hazbin Guarantee?

>>151183588
There are a few other Overlords in this song so I think >>151183624 is right. Vox is likely pitching his plan to the other Overlords.

>>151183445

my take on Hell would pull from The Good Place and from pre-Medieval Christianity interpretations of Hell, and throw in some Chinese Buddhist hells influence for good measure

>Hell was created as an extra prison for human consciousness when the Demiurge discovered dead humans could gradually escape his reach just by no longer being bound to physical bodies
>as a result, disembodied minds get funneled straight to Hell (a dimension layered underneath the material realm)
>what ultimately gets you sent to Hell is either rejecting the Demiurge's evil commands, swearing off the Demiurge (but still being selfish), or believing yourself to be superior to him (this is how both good people and bad people can end up in Hell)
>the closer you are to the material realm, the hotter and brighter Hell gets
>the farther you are from it, the colder and darker Hell becomes

>>151183425
Not really. Her Lucifer love is very consistent.

>>151183770
He's such a shit character

I'm guessing this is the start of Charlie's Lilith powers unlocking because this looks like it could be from episode 5.

>>151183798
Cope, he is clearly a major focus.

>>151183580
Can anyone get any proof this was sung at the Broadway show, all the duet songs this season got boring really fast and besides Sera and The Speakers’s song they’ve been pretty mid and short so I wouldn’t be surprised if it were mid

>>151183737
>Hell is "ruled" by Satanael and the Watchers (who broke free of their prisons) but rather than help Sinners find a means of breaking free from the cycle of suffering, Satanael is content with Sinners being corrupted and worsened while in Hell, then violently purged and then sent straight back to being reborn but in far worse conditions on Earth
>Charlie sets up the Hotel because she wants Sinners to reform and meaningfully purge themselves of negative karma so that way they can be reborn into better lives, she disagrees with how her father wants things to be run on Left Path logic
>when she discovers that Heaven is run on Right Path logic, Charlie decides to beef with her grandfather

>>151183677
>>151183628
Episode 1
>Vox derails redemption to lure in people to his predatory companies
Episode 2
>Shows Vox’s shark and its capabilities of killing sinners (and angels) for good
Episode 3
>Vox’s influence over Hell is way stronger than Charlie’s. And he gets less and less people on her side.
Episode 4
>Vox now owns the News of Hell, expanding his influence further
>Baxter is established to be making biology related experiments for Vox. Meaning there would be more than Lucifer getting controlled that will be an issue. And Baxter’s work is going to be the threat Pentious has to war with.
>Vox receives Alastor to his hand and Alastor wants to make Vox the most powerful sinner (which Vox doesn’t realize)
>Vox originally only wanted to rule over Hell. Meaning, he has to take Lucifer under him.
So Vox is implied to have tons of mega weapons hidden away, not including his mind-control. And he’s already buying out and gaining everything in the Pride ring. Which could make it so he buys out the corpses of the exorcists even.

Vox gains control of Lucifer in episode 5. Episode 6 is when he has the secret weapon, implying something different about it.

>>151183859
Everyone seems to be respecting the NDAs which is surprising how many other leaks there have been.

>>151183859
A lot of accounts saying they were there claim this was song performed live.

>>151183909
>the sexy Chaggie song is in ep 6
LADIES THIS IS NO TIME TO BE SCISSORING, LUCIFER'S BEEN KIDNAPPED

>>151182526
Taking "GET FUCKED" litteraly

>>151183859
Not official proof but I've seen more than one account claim the song was performed live.

>>151182851
They could try making Sera fuck his ass so Vox would be able to capture him.

Still a joke but not as much as Vox just hypnotizing him

Too many of the sinners are from modern eras. 1800s, 1930s, television, etc.
Show me some absolutely ancient sinners, like evil kings of old. How about the Crusaders? Would they go straight to Heaven or would their deeds actually send them to Hell? Viv just isn't creative enough

>>151183232
The little faggot with the antlers and the staff.
Yeah buddy, that's his own hair.
That little faggot got his on monocle.
That little faggot he's a cannibal.

>>151184053
Viv just didn't wanna is the overall answer but considering that Pride seems to be an "adapt or become someone's bitch/die" place, I wouldn't be surprised if Sinners from before a certain period of human history were on the decline even before the exterminations.
>How about the Crusaders? Would they go straight to Heaven or would their deeds actually send them to Hell?
Probably depends on the individual but I imagine anyone especially religious who ended up in Hell just gave up.

>>151183580
It doesn't matter. Vox is done in season 2 while Lucifer remains important.

>>151181475 (OP)
You mean, what do I think they did that was so bad that they went to hell? Let's see, here's what I think:
>Husk likely gambled away his house or something and left everyone living there homeless.
>Niffty probably did something fucked up in public view, hence the camera shy thing, probably involving stabbing or cleaning.
>Angel we already know killed his dad, my guess because he found out about him being gay somehow, like retaliation for killing his gay lover or something.
>Alastor we partially know, though we're not sure if it was just that one guy he killed or if he had a history of violent crime.
>Carmilla, I don't know, too vague as is. Probably something about protecting a family.
>Rosie might just be a cannibal psycho though there is clearly something else there (I think she might just be Lilith in disguise)
>Valentino seems like he may have been a pimp and/or human trafficker and/or serial rapist.
>Velvette seems like she was an exploitative producer of sorts.
>Vox we know damn well was a cult leader and probably had something to do with TV, so he might be based on Jim Jones, L. Ron Hubbard, Marshall Applewhite or some other modern era cult leader.
>Zestial is said to be really old, my guess is that he might have been a conqueror or something
>Baxter is an odd one, he's stated to be a bio-engineer but he may also pre-date the field? Not sure what to make of it, maybe he's based on the conspiracy theory that big pharma intentionally include bad side effects to prolong treatment?
>Cherri Bomb's accent is likely irrelevant (she had a different one in the pilot) and may just have been a mad bomber.
>Katie Killjoy likely lobbied against gay rights or something, if the voice is meant to indicate anything, there might be a Ted Haggard thing going on.
>Tom Trench may have been in WWI based on the name and look, maybe he deployed mustard gas?

I swear the backing track for Gravity sounds just like DOOM music, fitting for how Lute's presumably gonna go on a demon-killing rampage
https://youtu.be/5eZonu8XsEs?list=RD5eZonu8XsEs

>>151183161
Challenging Charlie isn't that fun because nothing about her makes sense. Like was the being 200 years old thing a myth and she's actually just 20? What culture has she been exposed to and how does that affect her understanding of reality? Like the whole drugs and swearing thing for example. And what kind of child of Primordial Beings doesn't even have the Allspeak?

>>151182033
When the trailer for 2 dropped along with Gravity, I thought Lute would be joining forces with the Vees secretly to prove to all of Heaven that she was right all along.

>>151184316
Yeah I guess Sera locking down Heaven and telling Lute disobeying her orders would be seen as treason killed that. Also it's possible that while Lute's insane she still has something of a personal code she tries to stick to. Tries.

So who's gonna be the final villain for the actual series finale?
Alastor?

>>151184342
Eve

>>151184342
Alastor's bussy which is its own entity like his shadow.

>>151184342
Some significant human on Earth

>>151184342
Roo and Alastor are my guess

>>151183193
I feel like there's a couple factors, first there's the idea that all the dead Nazis still being a coherent faction despite having to start over without any infrastructure, likely not being able maintain physical cohesion due to everyone becoming a different kind of freak in hell, and generally maybe rethinking the whole Nazi thing considering where it got them.
And even if they can form a gang, they're outnumbered by dead Soviets.

And that's all background stuff, because when Hitler showed up there's a good chance he'd either have no way to prove it by becoming some monster without the iconic hair and mustache, or if he was recognizable he'd be grabbed instantly for either revenge or being sold to the highest bidder.

...I imagine that that's pretty much what happens to ALL globally famous in this setting where they go to hell.

>>151183445
I'd take inspiration from the taker himself and make the realm my harem.

>>151184442
This is what I've been trying to say whenever someone smugly brings asks where Hitler is. Even without Viv saying anything it makes sense to conclude that he's either given up and taken on a new identity or he got torn apart once people realized who he was.

>>151184053
My theory is that sinners were tortured until relatively recently, and probably in a way that very slowly rendered them down into raw material. At some point all that was shut down in circumstances correlating to Charlie's birth and all conscious sinners relocated to Pride. And then Heaven killed literally everyone in the first Extermination, with everyone in hell being after that point in time.

>>151184537
I like some of those ideas, but maybe it's a little simpler, and part of the reason we don't see older sinners is just that it is hard to retain a coherent sense of self that long in Hell or something. Maybe you eventually just give up?

>>151184053
>>151184537
>>151184611
Zestial at least is outright stated to be ancient in some fashion so they do exist. We don't know how old every random demon on the street is as well so I imagine there's some oldheads kicking around

>>151184526
I think this was back when people erroneously concluded from Alastor that the amount of suffering you inflicted in life, the more power you had in Hell. So under that logic, Hitler would logically be very strong indeed.

Of course, we just learned this week that that's all bullshit and deer boy is a disgusting pay2win hack who was cheating the whole time, and it's possible that no one else was the right mix of lucky, talented, interesting, and fucking stupid to try the same thing.

...of course that means that in this stity the Thule Society was either completely incompetent or didn't share their successes with their leader, either of which is perfectly likely.

>>151182637
I hope Vox can stay in Hazbin hotel as Alastor's slave like Husk.

I think this season will end up being lame

In season 3 Lute will commit treason and fall. Vaggie will recover her eyes and rise as an angel. Vaggie kills Lute.

>>151184308
Charley is basically an old skool Disney Princess at heart, and they can be exposed to even the most heinous shit for prolonged periods and never become jaded.

It's exactly the opposite to modern girls and how they so quickly become tatted-up, septum ring wearing, Tumblr psychos, and professional victims over literally nothing, when they've actually led a privileged life. Feminists indoctrinate them with all the victim bullshit and lies that women were downtrodden by da evil menz until 'Last Thursday', yet at the same time somehow still are. Also promoting behaviour that turns them into bitter little used up misandrist whores before they're even out of middle school.

It's what the original Cinderella was really about, (and why the story for young girls is literally as old as dirt). Cinderella gets treated like shit and doesn't become bitter. Her ugly sisters get all the privilege and are insufferable literally spoiled whores, not just ugly on the outside. The Prince not only gives zero fucks about them, but every woman at the ball until he meets Cinderella who is still unapologetically feminine and pure of heart. It's why even the animals love and help her:
https://youtu.be/qhkonXwjyHQ?t=20

You could lock Cinderella in the pits of Hell for 200 years and she'd still come out smelling like roses. That's why feminists hate her in particular, denounce her as 'weak', when it's actually the opposite. She remains the kind of ideal girl who when it's her time to step out into the light and shine, any real man worth his salt would crawl over broken glass slippers for.

Even the tacked on lesbian Vaggie shit doesn't conceal what Charley is in concept and it's why you can't even feel or literally give a single fuck about their supposed 'relationship'. It doesn't even really exist in your mind anymore than it would if you were told that Ariel was fucking the fish, or that Dumbledore was retroactively gay the whole time and likes knitting.

I think the idea of season 4’s existence is mainly from mis-information.

>>151184843
Viv confirmed that they started recording Roo's lines for season 4 like two weeks ago.

>>151184854
Where?

>>151184864
On bluesky:
>I remember at the start of Hazbin I looked up at the sky and was like “gee, I hope I get to tell enough of the story to get to Roo” …
>We recorded her first session this week.
Season 4 was announced back in July.

>>151184908
>Season 4 was announced back in July.
Where?

>>151184915
https://x.com/HellaversePrime/status/1816934511315501264

>>151184908
I don’t get it.
Season 3 should be the only thing in production right now.

>>151184932
Forgot to add I misremembered her saying the recording was for season 4, but season 4 was announced alongside season 3.

>>151184941
>8 episodes per season.
>Season 3 and 4 are both on the way.
Seems like they’re making 2026 and 2027 releases.

>>151184908
A pity it seems she hasn't managed to get Lady Gaga to play Lilith, but to be fair, can you imagine Gaga agreeing to get involved in any kind of production where the cool evil grinning psycho male character gets captured, cucked, and basically arse raped?

I certainly can't.

>>151185002
They aren't going to announce Lilith's VA before s3 marketing starts. I did hear a rumor that they've been given the order to be really tight-lipped about it and Viv + a few of the other VAs went to Gaga concert recently.

I think Emily and Lute are bait characters for the “who will fall” premise since they both are so extreme in their principles, but Sera might ultimately the one tossed unto Hell instead at season 3.

Vaggie really needs to do anything at all. In season 1 she was one of the weakest and she basically hasn't existed so far in s2

>>151185068
She's the one who's been actually running the hotel while Charlie's been having mental breakdowns and embarrassing herself, which is technically important but not relevant to the plot.

>>151185068
She was more of an entity in the pilot, the original voice and art style gave her some character. She's a total fucking nothingburger now, even when they try to push her as a thing.
>change muh name
>literally nobody cares bitch

>>151185068
Vaggie's plot is related to heaven so she had some role when Adam was main villain, and now she has nothing when Vox is main villain. She'll have more if Lute becomes main villain.

was getting caught part of alastors plan?
what's his endgame? pit rosie and vox against each other?

>>151185209
You mean Vaggie is always irrelevant until she whines about Mommy and Daddy.

>>151185068
Vaggie needs to call out Charlie not listening to anyone!

Please! That bitch needs to be called out!

>>151185246
>was getting caught part of alastors plan?
Ya
>what's his endgame?
Make Vox the strongest Sinner so that his deal with Rosie's broken

>>151185269
>in two episodes Vaggie is going to be singing about how Charlie needs to unwind while shaking her hips and wearing a little black dress
>Charlie will most definitely ignore her
Fuck outta the way Charlie I'll treat her better than you

>>151185297
Couldn't Rosie just secretly juice up Alastor, while he tries to do that to Vox, just to fuck with him?

>>151182179
Probably beat him and his sister.

Can't believe Vivziepop used Yahiamice's likeness for her show without giving credit

>>151185335
I don't know. I would guess that even being the most powerful Sinner still has a limit cap on it, like how Alastor wasn't able to take on Adam.

Am I the only one predicting that Alastor is going to at least partially fuck up his scheme, only to wind up accidentally fulfilling whatever she wanted him to do in the first place?

>>151185269
Vaggie is the subbiest sub and will tolerate getting emotionally cucked by Charlie because of her complete dependence on her. Which makes sense because Charlie is the least shitty piece of shit in Hell, and even then she's psychotically ignorant.

>>151185365
>only to wind up accidentally fulfilling whatever she wanted him to do in the first place?
I don't think he really cares about actually doing what Rosie wants, it's how long it's taken.

>>151185335
>>151185363
Nah. Vox could reach power that Lilith couldn’t get for herself.

>>151185377
I'm not taking your fanfic into consideration

I need rosie

why do those veetards think they can take on heaven when all 3 combined are weaker than adam

>>151185446
'Cause they're totally built different. Really.

>Season 2
>Episode 6 reveals resurrected Adam, who is in Vox’s complete control.
>He is unstable mentally and can’t really remember anything
>He looks scarier yet more divine
>Season finale happens, Adam has to be stored up.

>>151185446
With the power of united citizens in hell they can defeat heavenly tyrant.

>>151185446
Because when demons combined their powers they were able to beat the angels. Honestly the Vees probably plan to sit back from a safe distance after uniting Hell to fight on their behalf

>>151185363
If there's a cap, how can AL make Vox stronger than him for TVhead to become the "Most Powerful Sinner in Hell". At best, they'd be equals, no?

>>151185446
>>151185460
Because they have Adam the whole time. Thanks to Baxter.

>>151185426
For what?

>>151185363
It's just Rosie made Alastor slightly stronger than the second strongest sinner. Someone else can be stronger than Alastor if they really try.

>>151185426
Ease up on the meals, Rosie. I don't remember you having all that meat

>>151185474
Alastor will give Vox the means to control Lucifer by giving Lucifer exactly what he wants.

>>151185446
From trailer we saw Vox holding lightning shaped crossbow and a laser penetrating Heaven's barrier. Maybe Vox is using some method to fuel his weapon strong enough to kill Seraphim?

>>151185497
Lucifer can't stop taking Ls

>>151185505
>Maybe Vox is using some method to fuel his weapon strong enough to kill Seraphim?
Look at the wings of Vox’s back.
Baxter modified his body.

Imagine if the Vees did get control of Heaven at least for a bit. Valentino especially would turn it into a nightmare

>>151185481
If zombie Adam were real someone would've leaked it by now. Vox's secret weapons are Lucifer and the shark. Zombie Adam is probably a s3 plot, especially since Lute doesn't do anything this season.

>>151185511
>Ls
That's a strange way to abbreviate Lilith.

>>151185524
The wings aren't on his back, they're attached to the chair. That's what we call symbolism.

>>151185538
>someone would've leaked it by now.
We haven’t seen anyone leak Vox’s defeat or fate. So nah.

>>151183588
>>151183624
>>151183725
Going by process of elimination it's likely that Stump voices the flaming deer guy, seeing how he's the only one who hasn't had a speaking role up to this point.

>>151185531
Peter beats Val in sex battle.

>>151185548
Vox was defeated in Ep.8 when Alastor broke both contracts.

>>151185548
>So nah.
I'll see you next week when there's no zombie Adam and then I'll see you the week after when there's still no zombie Adam :)

>>151185549
That's a shame. I really want Abel song.

>Zombie Adam
Yeah there's no time for that. Vox hypnotizes Lucifer because he's the only thing strong enough to take on Heaven and he uses the shark for something. The emojis in #17 are a TV (Vox) a star (Lucifer) and a shark (shark).

>>151185002
>>151185050
Wasn't there a rumor that Kesha quit because Vivzie tried to be parasocial besties?

>>151185592
I haven't heard anything about Kesha quitting, she just didn't come back as Bee. Considering they had to recast Striker I think it's more likely they never had the money to keep Kesha on, but now they've got Amazon money.

>>151185592
lol I want to believe. Sounds like Viv brand self-sabotaging retardation.

>>151182635
Not gonna lie for once I feel bad for Viv, even tho her writing is shit, real world politicians have become so cartoonishly incompetent I can totally see some IDpol retards seething over cartoon villains looking too much like their daddy

>>151185583
Can I see the list again?

I want St Peter to do something cool.
Like Vox and his army try to breach the Pearly Gates, and Peter shows off why HES the doorman, and starts blasting.

>>151185617
11-16 are >>151181850 and 20 is probably called Hear My Hope

>>151185625
I also want YOU SHALL NOT PASS moment but I guess Vox will just hypnotize blond twink.

>>151185592
While I could believe that, Kesha has a whole laundry of personal and legal issues fucking her over its perfectly reasonable that her management cucked her out of being in the show

So is Jesus ever gonna appear on this show?
>kinda don't want it to happen because I know Viv is too allergic to kino to let an important figure have a serious moment

>>151182360
>18. Pentious rallies Heaven's forces to fight back against Vox, maybe he takes over as leader of the army for Abel (Lute found dead in Miami)
No, for Lute, she will glad that snake will do what Abel is unable to do. And… Vox is not going to like what she will do with him and the moment he accidentally gets in.

>>151185690
Seems kind of doubtful, like if Jesus were to show up he'd just say Charlie's idea sounds great and they'd be besties over redemption.

>>151185690
>So is Jesus ever gonna appear on this show?
Probably not.
>kinda don't want it to happen because I know Viv is too allergic to kino to let an important figure have a serious moment
The Speaker (so far) has been just fine and she's the closest we're going to get to seeing God. Viv just doesn't want to risk offending anyone because there are some weirdos who will get angry no matter what she does.

>>151181619
Piggybacking off of this because it's Baxter. There was a thread a weekish ago where some anons were discussing on how Hazbin would portray God. It was mostly jokes, but one anon floated an idea that God could be one of the characters in disguise, like how everyone theorizes with Lilith. No character was seriously suggested as the secret God, but I thought about it, and if there was one character who was secretly God, I think it would be Baxter. Here's why:
>doesn't drink
This follows the puritanical beliefs that Charlie likes to push on sinners in hopes of redemption. I think the biblical God would be fine with drinking wine, but we have to remember this is from Vivziepop.
>Genetic engineer
Makes all kinds of critters and living beings, much like God did.
>The only one interested in learning about redemption
This is the big one that made me think about it, in the same way in the bible Jesus is God but still was a human being who had his own experience and did and observed all kinds of stuff, maybe Baxter is an incarnation of God sent down to check out what the heck they're doing with redemption in Hell that got a sinner sent up to Heaven.

I don't actually think Baxter is God, nor do I think there's going to be a surprise God character, but I thought it was interesting to think about.

>>151185690
Since Vox talked about having been a cult leader, I kinda suspect he's Jesus.

>>151183341
Take a closer look at the posters on the multiplex in episode 2 (not that you actually watch the show lmoa)

>>151185734
I've had this thought too. Also throw in the fact that he's a guy but his sinner form is based off of a female angler fish.

>>151185690
Even if she wanted to, Amazon would probably step in and discourage it. I don't think they want to deal with the inevitable conservative backlash

>>151185463
Adam and alastor team up to defeat vox

>>151182422
>>151182447
>>151182457
I don’t get why anyone thinks Adam and Lute are evil at all when Sera and the angels are only acting nice because they have never dealt with anyone like Vox before. And when they finally do, they will either piss their pants or rage.

Lute was told to deal with a similar situation earlier (Pentious was allies with the very people that killed Adam, which Heaven wants to make a treaty with), and has the shot to legally kill Lucifer in this season (by some leak people doubt on that looks too professional and in-line with the plot of season 2), and Lucifer lives in the next season.

Sera and the rest of Heaven will be butt mad about it while Lute sees that the single redeemed Sinner does a better effort on protecting Heaven than those incompetent idiots did. That… and Vox makes really really really really good war products.

>>151185817
>And when they finally do, they will either piss their pants or rage.

Allegedly this will actually happen:

>>151182691

>>151185720
>>151185779
I could see her foreshadowing Jesus by making him a background gag, and then toward the climax of the show when Heaven is up in arms, Jesus will step forward as an anonymous angel to side with Charlie and ultimately be revealed as God by one of the archangels shitting bricks upon seeing him.

>>151185830
Yeah in the trailer you can see Sera getting pissed and blinking back to Heaven from Hell.
>>151185817
>and has the shot to legally kill Lucifer in this season (by some leak people doubt on that looks too professional and in-line with the plot of season 2)
There's no indication that Lucifer is dead in that storyboard. And yeah we know he makes it to season 3.

i want an episode where stolas is female, nothing else is changed

>>151184831
Miko did nothing wrong.

>>151185867
Read the rest of it
>has the shot to legally kill Lucifer in this season (by some leak people doubt on that looks too professional and in-line with the plot of season 2), and Lucifer lives in the next season.

I was implying that Lute ultimately doesn’t kill Lucifer despite how angry she is at him and Charlie. And it resolves the plotline Gravity established in Episode 1.

>>151185872
I suddenly like Stolas!

>>151185900
>And it resolves the plotline Gravity established in Episode 1.
No that'd be lame. I want Lute to do stupid shit and get her loser ass kicked out of Heaven and then she finds zombie/sinner Adam eating hell tacos in a dumpster and they get a shitty apartment together.

>Episode 1
>Lute: He killed Adam!
>Heaven: We don’t care. The Speaker says he’s redeemed. It’s fine. Also, we would love to make a deal with those people that killed him.

>Episode 8
>Heaven: He tried to kill us all, make us his sex slaves, and use us as products!
>Lute: He’s redeemed. Deal with it.

The writers' obsession with the Vees (or mostly Vox and Valentino since they get more attention than Velvette) is completely hijacking the show and fucking up the pacing. S2E4 was by far the worst example of this. The episode begins with Charlie's story about stubbornly giving the news media attention, then it pivots to Alastor and Rosie, then back to Charlie, then for whatever fucking reason it just completely concedes the entire episode's focus to Vox and Alastor. And these subplots were just flat out not connected to each other at all. Like why put all of this bullshit into one episode if they're not related??

They need to stop writing a/b/c plots because they are not good at it

>>151185917
The only one that wants Lute to be in Hell is Eve, and that’s because Lute is literally a threat to evil, like Angels are supposed to be.

>>151185930
Vox doesn't want to make anyone into sex slaves

>>151185939
They don’t want to write a/b/c plots.
They’re forced to in order to rush the series to the finish line.

>>151185945
Val does. And Vox enables it on sinners already.

>>151185956
Val's not being redeemed.

>>151185951
Why don't they just make sub-episodes? Like Season 2 Episode 4a can be about Charlie giving a bad interview to the media. Episode 4b is about Alastor, Rosie and Vox.

Idk if they're allowed to do this but this seems preferable to the mess they have now

That way they can properly split up the storylines while still meeting the maximum amount of time they have for an episode.

>>151185917
Nah.
Lute will hire Pentious and Vox to make weapons of mass destruction like the good twist it is.

>>151185939
>>151185974
They could've just cut Charlie's whole subplot and have Niffty see Alastor getting hurt on the TV Vox gave Charlie in episode 3. I think the need to fit more songs into each episode is what's messing them up. Like You at least served the purpose of showing Pentious struggling to adjust to Heaven, Clean It Up was completely irrelevant.

>>151185984
You have an entire fanfic written out in your brain about how you think the series is going to go and it's going to be so funny seeing each of your predictions turn out to be wrong lmao.

>>151185974
Charlie’s bad interview already happened on episode 3. Episode 4 doesn’t really need to give it focus since the episode is about Alastor and Vox and we know Charlie is going to make it worse.

>>151185900
>Lute ultimately doesn’t kill Lucifer despite how angry she is at him and Charlie.
Not doesn't. Can't. Lucifer is a lot lot lot lot lot stronger than Lute.

>>151185068
She'll have more things to do in season 2. Same for Lute.

>>151186005
Yeah I also think Charlie giving yet another interview was redundant. I was just giving an example of how the episode could be split up, since Charlie giving the interview was ultimately her subplot in ep4

>>151186018
You know for a franchise that isn't actually afraid to have curvy/hot women in it it's funny when you can tell when they actually don't want you ogling a female character. Like whay do they look like this lol

>alastor breaks free from rosies deal
>loses all of his power

>>151185068
The bar is so low at this point that I just want her to do literally anything. She has done basically nothing interesting this season and it's 50% finished

I think Vox wasn't this evil when he was alive. Maybe he was just an attention whore with some cultish followers but one day he made a tiny little mistake and went straight to hell. He was polite and shy man like Pentious at first but after Alastor rejected him he became more and more evil every year because nobody tried to redeem him just like Charlie did to Pentious. So if he REALLY changes the way he lives afterlife and repent his sin in life maybe he can be redeemed.

>>151186038
Wouldn't he get to keep his powers since she's the one failed to uphold her end of the bargain?

>>151185246
Vox will be forced to break a deal when Charlie comes to Vox to save Alastor. The deal is about 'never touches Charlie Morningstar' and it never said 'self defence is okay'.
>>151185335
If that happens that's not really a bad thing for Alastor, isn't it?

>>151186018
>goat legs

>>151186063
>Maybe
Honestly think they completely fucked up his character. She could have gotten away with the UwU gay boi schtick but they made it clear that he was a cult LEADER with a God complex, and not just mid level mook who got taken advantage if and disposed. Really another case of Stolas where Viv wanted to have her evil Fujo cake and eat it.

>>151186001
Anon, the whole Lute will be a giant idiot thing comes from her and Charlie having a huge episode about eternal death. Gravity is a song about Lute being mad at Charlie and wanting to destroy Hell just to make her feel her pain.

They doubled down on their old mindsets (killing all sinners) (redeeming all sinners) mainly from a very bad place in life in hoping their actions weren’t meaningless. And neither of them respect the other at all. If Pentious stayed dead, Charlie would despise Lute as much Lute despises her.

And you haven’t considered that because of current circumstances, heaven will flop on the ground to let Vox do what he wants with it. And the only ones trying to actually stop it with their own hands are Lute, Pentious and Charlie.

>>151186063
This would make his laughably childish backstory of Alastor being mean to him 70 years ago or whatever the fuck make more sense. If he was just some guy who entered Hell for reasons he didn't know, I guess it would make sense for him to naively seek genuine friendship with Alastor and then be hurt by the rejection. It

It would also make him a foil to Alastor who knew he was going to end up in Hell and planned for it

>>151186111
All Vox wanted was friends... Damn bambi ruined him.

>>151186113
Ok but that parallel doesn't work because Charlie ultimately isn't wrong (that sinners can be redeemed and everyone can be redeemed) while Lute is. I also know you're the guy who insists that Lute will become a mother-figure to Charlie. Like cool if you want to write fanfic but stop acting like you've got it figured out, or if you do, actually back up your claims with actual proof.

>>151186092
Charlie is a real fuckin freaky chimera when you look at it.
>goat legs
>a snout
>clown cheeks
>extremely pale
I'm honestly kind of curious, is it her skin being super pale, or is she covered in a very fine white fur.

>>151186018
I still wasn't expecting Vaggie to be shaking her ass like this, but at least she's not twerking.
https://x.com/Fizzy03029/status/1985791034564231469

>>151186129
Imagine mindbreaking this cutie, Al deserves all the shit he gets and worse.

>>151186159
>man everyone keeps saying Chaggie sucks, how can I make it more interesting to people?
>I know, sexy dance sequence!
Viv is a genius truly.

Are they ever going to explain what actually happens to people who get killed? Do they cease to be? Is it only a "true" death if they die from an Angelic weapon? Do they go to super Hell?

>>151186111
>She could have gotten away with the UwU gay boi schtick but they made it clear that he was a cult LEADER with a God complex, and not just mid level mook who got taken advantage if and disposed.

I was going to give the writers the benefit of the doubt and assumed that this scene was actually more complex, that maybe Vox was being manipulative and Alastor caught onto it, as again he was supposedly a "cult leader" in life

But then Viv went on Bluesky and said the scene was just Alastor being an asshole? I guess not wanting to be friends with a cult leader makes you an asshole?

Also again the morality of this show is so fucking confusing. Are these characters just people or are they demons in Hell where everyone is an asshole to each other? This show can't just settle on one perspective, it keeps switching between these both

Alastor breaking Vox reminds me Vox laughing at Pentious in season 1. Maybe Vox was really designed to show us 'what if Pentious didn't get redeemed by Charlie'?

>>151186134
>One sinner is redeemed out of the billions of souls that existed for all of existence. That means Lute is wrong.
Have you ever thought about them both being right and unreasonable.

Viv portrays them both as crazy. And Viv punishes Charlie for trusting these malicious people, and the sinners for rejecting her hotel. She doesn’t really understand how bad Hell actually is, while Adam gets depressed and fat from looking at the place for all of existence.
Lute is too disconnected from whatever is going with the Hotel, containing the only people that could be good, and she only has traumatic experiences with them and hasn’t even seen a single Sinner reject Hell for Heaven ever in her life.

>>151186063
This is probably the case. I am pretty sure Viv has said he was a televangelist. He might have been genuinely pious and just charismatic to the point where he became a false idol and was condemned for it.

>>151186217
The show showed us Lute is evil by comparing her with Sera. Sera repented her error when she confronted the truth. Lute denies the truth and still believes her delusion only to fuel her hatred.

>>151186183
Demons killed by Angelic Steel in Hell have their soul matter scattered and absorbed by the environment, its why all the buildings and shit in hell have eyes and shit.

>>151186217
I just still don't get that. Why have your show take place in hell if it's not gonna be about genuinely bad people who are seeking to be better?
I remember that was everyone's original theory, that they'd "redeem" themselves in making hell a better place.

>>151186241
Trailers show that Sera would go full genocide later though

if demons can't be killed unless by angelic steel, what happened to the woman vox fed to a shark?

>>151186241
>Sera repented
Dude, Sera is legitimately stupidly corrupt and did an entire lockdown on heaven over the issue of a single redeemed soul, meaning that Pentious can’t get visited by Charlie, and Lute can’t even see what’s going on in Hell. The communication that should be there to try to amend things, is cut off.

Sera acts like she’s the “feeling all of the suffering” when ultimately only Charlie, Pentious, Adam, Lute, the Exorcists, and the Sinners are the ones that actually suffered from her high-authority. And that idiot didn’t tell Adam and Lute that angelic weapons kill angels. Get a sinner to kill her precious Emily and see how this sheltered freak will truly act.

>>151186302
Viv seems to care more about the "Heaven Bad" angle and the War on her show than any actual attempt for redemption.

She wants you to look at her worldbuilding and character designs not her concept

>>151186305
Nah she is just fighting back against Vox.

>>151186312
sentient fat

>>151186321
Charlie: To solve the biggest issue of Hell
Adam: Oh Herpes. (Harpies - bird women aka SERA)

>>151186302
>genuinely bad people who are seeking to be better?
Genuinely bad people don't seek to be better. Charlie tries to redeem any sinner in hell but less evil people redeem first genuinely bad people are at the end of the line.

>>151186336
With an army to perma kill Sinners?

>>151186312
>>151186342
The shark is created by Baxter and Vox has plenty of Exorcist bodies and metal to make an artificial life form composed of the substance.

>>151186321
Also Sera was still ultimately the superior of Adam and Lute. She allowed the exterminations to happen for 7 years. I don't get why the narrative is framing her as less evil than the exorcists just because she feels remorse

>>151186321
The trailer showed Sera, Emily, and even Lute visit Hazbin Hotel with colorful gift boxes. Sera made Barrier just to earn some time and nothing stupid (such as Lute assassinating someone in Hazbin Hotel) happens until she decides.

>>151186325
>look at her worldbuilding
That's a good one.

>>151186362
Vees deserves permadeath. And their apologists too.

>>151186312
Sinners that are killed by something else reform somewhere after sometime

Idk about that Shark though. That seemed like laced its teeth is laced with angelic steel

>>151186371
>I don't get why the narrative is framing her as less evil than the exorcists just because she feels remorse
This really sounds funny. So you think the one feels remorse isn't less evil than the one who still hates?

>>151186377
I didn't say it was good worldbuilding

>>151186375
But only a few angels even go down to Hell in the first place. And Sera didn’t give two thoughts about the Hotel for months for some reason. They also have an entire room for Lute and Pentious to speak to Charlie and the sinners without actually being in Hell. Sera is legitimately being extremely difficult for no reason.

What era is Cherri Bomb from? Because if she's not ~250 years old like Sir Pentious people are gonna get upset

>>151186411
If she is just 100 years old or so then this is pedophille we encouraging!

>>151186411
age gaps don't matter when its between immortal beings.

>>151186394
Lute has very personal reasons to hate Charlie. And Sera is directly responsible for that. Not even ordering Charlie to get out of the way. All despite said girl going up to kill angels, including Adam and Lute.

She is the most self-centered leader I have ever seen. Adam cared more when a single low-class angel died than she did. And Adam is deeply sad by how the sinners are and doesn’t like to show it to overs.

Sera isn’t truly remorseful. She is simply the one that hasn’t yet screwed over herself on her nice little cushion.

>>151186449
people freaked out about 200 year old inuyasha with his 20 year old girlfriend, people will be mad if cherry died in the 80s

>>151186394
She allowed exterminations to happen. Whether she regrets or not isn't going to reverse that nor will it change the outcome of tons of souls who may or may not have had the potential to be redeemed being permanently erased

>>151186450
>Adam cared more when a single low-class angel died than she did. And Adam is deeply sad by how the sinners are and doesn’t like to show it to overs.
This is the part I realized Lute wrote it.

Oh my fucking god i just watched the new episodes they actually did it.
MY GIRL GOT HER FUCKIGN SONG I DIDNT ACTUALLY THINK IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE

>>151186463
>Whether she regrets or not isn't going to reverse that nor will it change the outcome of tons of souls who may or may not have had the potential to be redeemed being permanently erased
Hell is Forever whether you like it or not had their chance to behave better now they boil in the pot

>>151186457
Maybe shitty zoomers nowadays yeah, but no one gave a fuck back in the day.
Not to mention how Huskerdust is one of the most popular ships in this show, and that's a gruff 60 year old alcoholic paired with a mid 20s-something gay mobster.

>>151186491
Karerawa Assuhoru~

>>151186491
She got her song and also showed her undying LOYALTY to Alastor, girl ran halfway across the city to help her boss fight some losers.

My old stuff isnt enough anymore. I gotta draw up some new love for best girl. I gotta celebrate

>>151186463
>>151186394
Remember that Sera doesn’t even penalize Charlie for killing Adam (forcing the contract to break out of self-defense) and instead tries to act like killing the father of humanity isn’t a serious issue, despite making him the dad of her entire Exorcist army. And she hands off said army of impressionable girls to Abel, someone that Adam doesn’t trust (cause he’s an Eve/Roo agent).

When will Sera truly suffer?

>>151186499
Also Adam is as old as mankind and Lucifer would be older but people still ship them with other characters.
Come to think of it, does shipping Adam with Winner or Sinner makes it incest? Adam doesn't have ship other than Lute but still.

>>151186474
No. Lute doesn’t even know that Adam deeply loves the Sinners and hates how they ended up.
That would make her conflicted about rejecting Pentious’ redemption.
This is information the angels could’ve given her but didn’t because they suck and actually don’t give a damn about the father of the “poor” sinners they “weep” for.

>>151186507
I should probably sleep instead but first-
I can only do a couple, give me some Niffty drawing suggestions, I am fucking overjoyed.

>>151186509
Now that they know Charlie was right and sinners can be redeemed, and most of angels in Heaven didn't know about Extermination, Heaven isn't in position to blame Morningstar for intervention. As Sera said Pentious' redemption changed everything. This is not the time to prolong the conflict for emotional reason.

>>151186513
I've seen Adam shipped with both Charlie and Sera. I've always imagined that like a couple generations after he died he found one of his descendants hot until someone said "that's literally your great great granddaughter" and he got grossed out and forever afterwards it's only been heavenborn angel chicks for him.

>>151186543
I always preferred Uncle Adam

Are Exorcists Winner or Heavenborn? Vaggie sounds like a human from Latin America but Adam gave her name, and Vaggie finds it hard to think about different name implies that she wasn't human soul.

>>151186540
Draw her sitting on Lucifer's throne

leaks say that vox kidnaps lucifer
how the fuck will this happen unless he goes willingly

>>151186541
>Charlie is right… that means her murder of our kind and the first human ever shouldn’t be acknowledged. Let’s make one her survivors forced to work with her, despite knowing that Adam was the soldier’s murdered an help mate.
You have to be insane.

I thought Pentious was gonna be older considering its implied he had a son.

Did they Retcon that?

>>151186581
Pentious having a son never happened.
Although, it implies he &@@& whores.

>>151186580
A war doesn't stop if we revenge for every single soldiers die there even after the initial cause of war no longer exists.

>>151186591
Because he will sex with everyone in this club!

>>151186576
>how the fuck will this happen unless he goes willingly
Bad writing

>>151186571
Ok so i immediately went to get on that but when i went to get a reference i realized he has like three fuckin thrones. Which one were you hoping for?

>>151186597
I didn’t say wars.
I said penalties. Punishments. Restrictions. New policies. Reminders to not do this stupid thing (purposeful angel murder) again.
Would Adam have to come back and put this policy in for this selfish tool box of a seraphim?

>>151186576
>>151186605
Remember.
Lucifer wants to see Lilith again and Vox will offer that to him.
It’s really simple.

>>151184342
>actual series finale
end of season 3 or 4?
>>151184422
My bets are on this.

But what if lute or someone somehow corrupted emily and one of MOST powerful people of heaven, turned bad?
In fact, when sara made the shield, their were several angels of "high" rank we don't know.

what if several of them turn bad?

>>151186632
I bet Abel will manipulate Emily into becoming a fallen angel after audiences expected Lute to be one.

>>151186614
i knew that i should have mentioned this
i don't care, surprise me

>>151186557
>BIGass Lizards
Lmao, I always wondered how stuff like dino's and and early hominids worked in Hazbin's setting. A good number of sinners are just straight up dinosaurs which I guess confirms they were a thing.

>>151186641
My manipulating Emily idea went too far, and you took it further.
I'm sad now.

I don't think the show would be that messed up.
It's basically a kid show with some violence, swear words, drugs, and junk.
But I'm just throwing junk ideas at wall now.

Abel did seem suspicious with the mask. But I'd like to believe he's mostly cool.

>>151186666
What does a dinosaur do to end up in hell?

>>151186686
Abel is a mama’s boy. And Eve is pure evil. Either Emily makes Abel regret his decisions, or Abel causes Emily to become fallen.

>>151186576
Vox manipulates Angel to lure Charlie and shoots death ray at her. Charlie couldn't dodge because she has two brain cells. Lucifer shields her with his body. Charlie, who is supposed to be several times stronger than Vox, does nothing to stop him just like she didn't stop the train.

>>151186632
Angels don't fall. If they can fall it means the God has really really low standard considering Adam didn't fall. Angels can't fall because of few minor mistake as long as they have chance to atone.

>>151186720
>>151186720
Adam knew how evil and irredeemable all of those souls were for thousands of years and had ulterior motives for doing the exterminations that actually will end up screwing over Eve (lamb sacrifice for the payment of sins).

Lute is just emotional after a severe loss and should be retired for a more stable soldier. Sera… why doesn’t God dethrone her already? She is highly irresponsible with the angels.

Lucifer pretty much turned mankind into a virus.

>>151185486
I need to fuck her and used her dress as a condom

>>151186653
>>151186571
here you go anon. I love her so much

>>151186641
In order to make other angels fall shouldn't they fall first? If the God is watching their behavior then luring other angels to do serious crime is a bigger crime.

is there any leaks regarding vestial? he seems cool

>>151182077
>>151186632
Season 3 is going to have Alastor and Lute as the main antagonists. I predict Lute is gonna start leading a faction of rebel angels made up of ex-exorcist and people afraid of Hell after the Vee's attack Heaven.

>>151186775
It’s Viv. Stupid things happen for some reason.

>>151186540
Requesting Niffy saying what's up my nigga to Alastor and him asking her how she knew he used to be black and her responding with you're black?

>>151186792
Season 3 might be something much weirder.
If Vox is redeemed, then effectively, Baxter, Val, and Vel are opted out and Lute will want to get her hands on what Vox managed to produce.
Alastor being free would allow him to use Val, Vel, and any sinner who feels betrayed by Vox to grant him power.

>>151186743
thanks Anon!

>>151186184
>I was going to give the writers the benefit of the doubt and assumed that this scene was actually more complex
You see, that's what I thought too, but even without vivs comments the whole episode makes it clear that he sees himself as a spurned lover and is desperate for Alastors attention, whether it be by forcing him on a lunch date, making AL sit in a literal cuck chair while he fucks Val, to the last few frames of the episode where he visibly blushes when Valentino reminds him that he can literally fuck Alastor and Al can't stop him. Even the body language in the flashback sequence is ripped from like 100 different romance anime.
And that's a whole other issue, some of these characters are supposed to be hundreds of years old and died well into their adulthood, but they act like literal highschoolers

I'm kind of enamored with the concept of Eve being a cyclops, which would explain why her eyes aren't seen in the storybook segment in S1 as well as the exorcists crossed out eyes. Though I'm convinced her and Roo are one and the same, and the latter had her design shown with regular eyes, so it's unlikely to be the case.
Slightly unrelated, but with Abel being blonde and having golden eyes, I can only assume Cain will end up being a brunette with whatever Eve's eye color is (red, perhaps?).

>>151186235
I could see that angle, I think homophobia is gonna wind up being a big part of his back story, because he's shown zero interest in women, he fucks Valentino and has an obvious boner for Alastor but seems to go out of his way ignore his sexuality in public even though no one would care. Hell it could even tie into why he recruited Velvette because he needed someone who understood female sexuality and how to market desire because he's such a repressed fag. So it's possible that what ever organization he was a part of in life, ousted him and possibly even had him killed when they uncovered his homo leanings(which if he died in the 50s would've been a huge no no)

>>151186576
>Alastor supposedly the strongest sinner
>Can't take on Adam (archangel)
>Lucifer gg ez'd Adam

>Lucifer can't go to heaven but can still
contact them to set up meetings or negotiate.
>can ask Heaven about Lilith if he suspected she was there as opposed to going with Vox's (who has no reason to know where Lilith is) idea of invading heaven

I really don't see it happening. Maybe the leak is just a Word document with bulletpoints slapped together within an hour just for attention

>>151186920
I'm not sure heaven knows Lilith is there, she had a deal specifically with Adam after all. And Vox has Alastor who I highly doubt isn't somehow connected to Lilith and went to Vox for a reason

>>151186963
Sera probably was the one who did it in the first place.

>>151186963
Lute mentioned Lilith to Sera after Pentious' court case.

>>151186963
>>151186987
Remember that Lute doesn’t yet know how disconnected Lilith is with Charlie and Lucifer yet.

I don't get how Alastor can make a soul deal with Vox if Rosie already owns his soul. I figured Al can still soulbind other demons but he can't offer his own soul if it's already claimed no?

>>151187004
Alastor made a nonsoul deal with Vaggie to make a commercial. The deal with Vox isn't about his soul.

I hope vox gets iced by lute the second he appears in front of heaven

Is being killed by angelic steel necessary part of redemption? I can't believe out of billions damned soul only Pentious was redeemed in the past several thousands years but if requires permadeath from angelic steel (which became available just 7 years ago) then it makes sense.

>>151186999
>Lute doesn’t yet know how

Lilith not interacting could just be a stipulation of her deal with Adam.
We don't really know if Lute doesn't know.

>>151187020
being permakilled seems necessary since sinners never actually "die"
although maybe we will eventually see someone just teleported to heaven after redemption

>>151187020
That's why it's stupid. Redemption is a pretty well known thing for most christfags, even the weird ones. Why HH makes it such a big mystery is dumb. The plot could have just as easily been 'people in hell aren't capable of redemption' and Pentious was just the first in awhile due to his selflessness and the fact his sin of inaction was fairly minor compared to most and the show would be exactly the same.

>>151187025
>sinners never actually "die"
Knowing this I don't know why the whole train thing in Ep 3 made people lose their shit. Sinners just pull themselves back together, or did they retcon that from the pilot?

>>151185939
>not connected to each other at all
Except the Alastor and Rosie thread leads DIRECTLY into the Alastor and Vox thread??? Fucking retard Jesus christ are you people just putting the show on in the background while you scroll xitter or something?

>>151187028
>the fact his sin of inaction was fairly minor compared to most
The Deadly Sin of Sloth is not minor, sure he’s not a killer or rapist, but due to his inaction five women died who could have lived had he done the right thing.

>>151181475 (OP)
A theory i have is that Valentino was abused and harassed by men more masculine than him because he was a fag in the sixties/seventies and that's why hes so insistent on raping and beating Angel dust. Angel, by virtue of being a former member of the mafia, exemplifies a kind of traditional masculinity Val hates and is afraid of and by abusing Angel Val flips the script on who's abusing who and takes revenge. This explains why Valentino isn't seen abusing any other character even though it would be in character for him to do so and why Velvette has a very friendly relationship with him.

>>151186184
The way Al responded was objectively assholeish anon, you don't have to slobber on his sadistic deer balls quite so hard

>>151187032
didn't she put vaggies spear on the train? the angelic weapon would have killed him

>>151187062
Yes i know Angel Dust is feminine but thats implied to be because Val forces him to be. When Angel acts as "Anthony" in the show he is more masculine sounding and he acts more assertively.

>>151187032
>whole train thing
it had an angel weapon at the front, and Alastor hasn't healed from his fight with Adam.

>>151187043
>Fucking retard Jesus christ are you people just putting the show on in the background while you scroll xitter or something?
I sense this too.

>>151187082
>>151187078
I didn't catch that. Charlie is a fucking moron holy shit.

>>151186450
Man, can you stop being completely schizophrenic for like 1 thread

>>151187100
That wasn't Charlie, that was Danny Do-Bad. Did you even watch the show?

>>151186623
>purposeful angel murder
Fighting back against the people who came down to your land, SPECIFICALLY to your home, with the intent to wipe you out is "purposeful murder"? Even fucking LUTE says "they hit us back"

Do all Fallen Angels end up developing demonic features?
Like look at Lucifer how he has that demonic angelic mode, do you think Vaggie is going to start developing demonic features now that she’s a true Fallen?

>>151187032
The only question in this scene is why Charlie herself didn't rescue Husk and asked for help despite being the strongest one in that room. Was she waiting until the train just redeemed itself and disappear into heaven?

>>151187028
>the plot could just have easily been *the complete opposite of the plot and themes of the show*
What are they putting in the water to make retards like you these days

>>151187100
Yeah. She was ridiculously stupid in 3/4.
Nothing she was doing made any sense at all, even for a naive character like Charlie.
She's always been hopeful and naive, but never just downright stupid.
Viv is such a trash writer.

>>151187151
Nah it is just Lucifer's gay daughter is a trash Nepobaby tyrant. This show just needs Vox screentime.

>>151187187
Honestly this season so far would have been better without Charlie in it at all. Every other character is outshining her at this point, even Vaggie with her awful name change bit.

Husk saying "or maybe Angel on his good day" right after he understands Pentious' redemption was sweet. He immediately understood how Angel feels about Pentious redeeming first despite joined Hotel later. Angel would celebrate Pentious' redemption but he would also think himself is drug addicted whore unworthy to be redeemed.
But then Charlie forces Angel to do Pentious cosplay...

>>151187187
>Lucifer's gay daughter is a trash Nepobaby tyrant.
I wish she were a fucking Tyrant who threw her status and power around.

They should reveal that current Charlie is actually a shapeshifting imposter with Downs syndrome and pilot Charlie was trapped in the basement the whole time.
Just throw the entire Prime Charlie in the garbage and restore pilot Charlie. I don't care how flimsy or dumb the excuse is.

>>151181475 (OP)
>Vox: Why is it so positive!?
>Katie: We, we just just wanted to give it a flashy title.
My headcanon is that Katie is actually a secret fan of Charlie's work.(but her homophobia is real)
When Vox uses TV hypnosis to control hellish mobs and starts war against the Heaven, Katie alone live broadcasts Charlie who is trying to stop Vox, and says "Wake up, everyone! I hate to say this, but Lucifer's daughter was right! Charlie is the one saving us!".
After the battle Katie and Tom fired and they are sitting on park bench. Charlie finds them and ask them to join the Hotel, and there's a job for radio studio. (Alastor left the Hotel the moment his deal with Rosie was broken) Katie laughs, snorts, and then hesistates for a while, then asks if there are two jobs available. Charlie says yes and Katie shakes her hand, saying "just until we find a better job for us".

I don't know who katie killjoys VA is so none of his jokes land

>>151187311
Brandon Rogers doing his Bryce character

>>151183692
Are you serious?:
https://youtu.be/0BEt1xCSBG0?t=170

Did you remember 'Trust Us' as a separate number? Interesting.

>>151187062
>This explains why Valentino isn't seen abusing any other character even though it would be in character for him to do so and why Velvette has a very friendly relationship with him
Except when we're first introduced to Valentino Velvette is complaining to Vox he just physically ripped her top model apart in a rage and refers to him as a 'piss-baby'. I'm not sure Velvette has much time for either of the other Vees and is just using them. Like Alastor says, there are no friends in Hell.

>>151185770
Sorry, but the only thing I'm not watching is your headcanon.

>>151186160
>rejected
>turns into evil rapist stalker obsessed with his oneitis
Alastor did nothing wrong telling this incel to eat shit

>sell your soul prematurely because you don’t understand how Hell works
>Rest of the overlords are nearly as powerful as you without becoming someone’s pet
No wonder Al has such a fragile ego

>>151187124
>now that she’s a true Fallen?
is she? did Lute and Adam have the power/authority to condemn an angel as "fallen"? We know that some kind of "Elder" Angels are the ones that banished Lucifer, but I would have assumed that was someone like the Speaker and/or others of her level

>>151187217
>and pilot Charlie was trapped in the basement the whole time.
>"Vaggie I had to suck moisture from the rafters while you were fucking the retard"
my sides are in orbit at the thought

Catweed would be Husk right?

>>151184342
Roo with Alastor as a secondary major antagonist who ultimately turns around to help Charlie.

>>151184034
I thought about this too but it makes that Charlie and Vaggie sex scene even weirder. Yes, let's have a fun sexy song while my friend and my dad are completely fucked up!

Husk's (over)reaction to Angel standing in front of the train, (even though I don't know what that was supposed to do), is that indicative of his own sin/guilt? Maybe someone died trying to protect him and it was his own fault, or he let them die when he could have prevented it?

>>151187880
the message 100% strikes as someone who's on Charlie's side but knows enough that if they openly state it, the chat will just turn on them and call them out for it, so definitely Husker
I wonder if their are any other messages that could be inferred as other characters

>>151187939
>who ultimately turns around to help Charlie
>"I can't spread terror through Hell and make Vox's afterlife miserable if their is no Hell"
I can already see it

>>151182838
The most surefire way to destroy a man is to give him everything he's ever wanted

>>151187744
They had to work for it and get a lot of souls under their command to accomplish it. Alastor got to start at level 100 right off the bat and Husk and Niffty may well be the only significant souls he owns.

>>151187286
Why does Katie acts like she's meeting Charlie for the first time in S2E4, when S2E1 implies she's afraid Charlie might be holding a vendetta against her specifically (probably because of the Events of the pilot)

>>151186814
>Make up something in your head
>Get mad at the writers for it????

>>151182880
Them turning Val into a turbo horny prison gay Latino dumb guy has really changed his dynamic with Angel. Why the fuck would anybody be scared of this guy.

>>151187880
I prefer the idea that this is just an accurate sample. Like there are people in the hotel now, most of them are just exploiting it but so was Angel to begin with. She is slowly winning people over, it's just not that evident. There's totally gonna be a moment where everybody that walked in episode 1 comes back and goes "actually my life is really shitty, maybe you do have a point."

>>151188037
Need an edit of this with Alastor and Adam
>Im sure to win thanks to my DEAL WITH ROSIE

It feels like a weird oversight on the part of everyone in the show that nobody expects or predicts that redemption/damnation can only happen in death.

I mean that's obviously how it works with human souls out of the box, you live a life on Earth and then when that life ends, you face judgment and go to heaven or hell based on your actions. Pentious only winds up in heaven after he dies, because he had redeemed his sins in hell. But every character acts like redemption is going to be a thing that just sort of occurs when a person addresses their sins or becomes good or whatever, or that falling will be something that happens if they do evil. Why should it? Shouldn't they have to die (again) for their soul to once again have a shot at the proverbial sorting hat? Why wouldn't we say Angel Dust is redeemed already, and we just don't know it because he's still alive, and not yet faced another judgment?

>>151188116
It's unprecedented because nobody expected you to be able to die again after you are already dead. The idea was that Exorcists were erasing souls not killing them which makes sense because we don't know where any of the evil souls killed went yet. None of the dead exorcists have reappeared either.

>the sheer fucking explosion in popularity of this ship
This series is dumb and for fujos and you should not be thinking deeply about it at all.

>Love this character more the more I see of her, and Lilli is totally tearing that shit up like nobody's business. Shocking to see an actually entertaining 'boss bitch' that has genuine-feeling female motivations from this source in the CURRENT YEAR. I'd say the females in Hazbin generally are well-written in that regard. Just her critiquing the hotel décor was fun to watch and satisfyingly consistent with her schtick.
>genuine-feeling female motivation

What the actual fuck does this mean? She's just a cunty bitch. Is this because she is like what, fashion focused and shallow?
Pretty sure that's just your typical insta-gram camwhore.

>>151188087
have to go to work but have this

>>151188129
That explanation makes sense, but it still seems like the sort of thing that ought to have at least occurred to someone. It just feels so obvious to me that Pentious "died and went to heaven" in the show, I never for an instant thought he was whisked away to heaven in an act of salvation in the instant before Adam eradicated his soul from existence forever. Even if I can accept that as a plausible explanation (since self-sacrifice was the act that he needed to do to redeem himself), it hardly seems self-evident.

In fact it might even be argued that without exterminations, redemption is not possible, because no matter how a soul behaves in death or what changes it makes, it never has a chance to have its position reconsidered if it isn't killed again.

>>151188138
And why is it calling Velvet by her VA's name? It's creepy you know, unless it is talking about Velvet's voice not character.

>>151188058
You're not afraid of turbo horny prison gay Latino dumb guy? That sounds like an incarnation of ordinary evil we can see from some unwelcoming back alley in real life, just not world ending fantasy villain.

>>151188190
Not when he talks like a Hispanic barber.

>>151188202
Point taken.

>>151181475 (OP)
Possible causes of deaths for different characters:
>Vox: tripped and fell face-first through a TV set
>Valentino: electric chair, bug zapper lol
>Velvette: livestreamed suicide à la Ronnie McNutt
>Husk: magic trick gone horribly wrong
>Niffty: buried alive by trash, to explain her obsession with cleaning

>>151186738
knowing that the exterminations have only been ongoing for 7 years changes my perspective on it. Presumably, heaven and hell have not just been peacefully coexisting for tens of thousands of years and then suddenly out of nowhere, heaven raised a massive army and started slaughtering souls for fun. It seems more likely that heaven and hell have been engaged in perpetual border skirmishes, with damned souls trying to sneak or strongarm their way in, and that the standing army of exorcists has existed all that time as a kind of watchers on the wall, stopping the damned from getting away with it.

Whatever happened seven years ago related to Lilith, Alastor, etc., seems to have been a moment when hell really shook heaven. They got actually scared. Deals were struck, Lilith was allowed to come to heaven to keep her away from the damned so she could stop empowering them. Someone was terrified because hell very nearly took over heaven successfully, and they wanted to be sure that it didn't happen again. The exterminations seem to have been the moment when heaven decided to Shock and Awe hell, and show up and just fuck up by the tens of millions random bystanders who hadn't made any moves against heaven at all, as a kind of precautionary measure.

So Sera's failure of judgment was simply believing that emptying the proverbial recycle bin once in a while of sinners to prevent problems was not as big of a deal as allowing them to storm the pearly gates, massacre all of the souls of the saved, and claim heaven as their own playground.

Which, put in those terms, doesn't seem unreasonable at all, unless you know that you are killing souls that have a shot at being saved, and even then it only makes you think "maybe I should have listened to the hell princess who was trying to accomplish that as a more palatable solution to the problem".

>>151188140
holy fuck my sides

>>151186160
>rejected
>AAAHHHHH I'M GONNA BUILD A RAPE EMPIRE AND STALK YOU FOR 70 YEARS I'M LOSING MY MIND!!!
Nah, Al was in the right.

I can't imagine still being an Alastor fan after everything that's happened since he got Adam'd.
He's weak. Pathetic. A loser.
He even tried to quit the hotel because he got his little ace hole blown out and got his feelings hurt.
Lucifer was right about everything he said.
Alastor's a fake weak punk bitch who ain't about shit.
Fuck this character.

>>151188493
Why are you niggers so mad, it's like you got betrayed or some shit.

Vox won.

>>151188512
Anons do sound like bitter exes, I imagine it's because they're clinging to the pilot

>>151188512
Self inserts tend to get whiny when their comfort character struggles

>>151188520
>beats Lucifer
Absolute shit tier writing, fuck this writer's pet.

>>151188512
>pilot sets up a charming, witty, fun character
>mysterious and powerful, real motives unknowable

>in the show he's just a whiny arrogant bitch
>not actually that strong
>all the mystery gone
>his big reveals were boring and uninspired
>his motivation is just that he's being forced to do things
He's dogshit.
>>151188529
Yes. The character we saw in the pilot barely resembles the freshly-fucked cunt we got in the show. He's ass.

>>151188547
Dude, he's a serial killer, they always think they're cooler than they actually are and they get mad when other people imply they aren't actually cool.

>>151188493
>>151188512
>>151188529
>>151188530
>>151188547
How is it that only fujos saw Alastor for what he was this whole fucking time even since the Pilot? He is made specifically for them to enjoy his suffering and bottoming. You're retarded to think he was for anything more

>>151188493
you'll be seething when alastor breaks rosies deal and mogs the vees in a 3 on 1

>>151188547
Perhaps you should blame Viv's godawful writing instead of acting like he's a real person, self inserter.

>>151188547
He's more interesting this way. Cope and seethe.

>>151188547
>his motivation is just that he's being forced to do things
How does that not contribute further to his mystery, though? He's the only character who I have no idea how his arc is going to play out, once he's escaped from his soul deal, what will he do? There's no shot he gets written out so what will Alastor do when nobody is making him do it?

>>151188577
>There's no shot he gets written out so what will Alastor do when nobody is making him do it?
Oh, sorry anon, it looks like you're trying to pretend there's still something left to reveal about this character, you must have already forgotten that he expressly stated his motivation in his flashback because it was so boring and lame.
His goal is to just keep serial killing. That's it. He's that two dimensional.
Sorry. Maybe you should have backed a character that wasn't written by a useless fat bitch hack.

>>151188603
>His goal is to just keep serial killing
Nah, and the reason I say nah is that no longer has anything to do with the show. As I say, they aren't writing him out. The show isn't going to go into Season 3 with Alastor just not there because he's fucked off to do his radio broadcasts and is no longer relevant to the narrative. He's going to stay relevant to the Hotel and the people in it, not because that's what makes the most sense for his character but because he didn't get introduced to the show to just fuck off for no reason.

If the leaks are true that he's going to escape from his soul deal, then that means there will be some other reason for him to stick around, and I'm genuinely curious what it's going to be. What reason will he have to remain in the lives of Charlie and co., given that he's no longer being forced to protect/support her?

>>151188603
>His goal is to just keep serial killing. That's it. He's that two dimensional.
Did you see anything more from him besides living happily ever after? Do you think pilot Alastor had some kind of greater goal?

>>151188561
Because Viv is a fujo herself, what is annoying is how high and might characterfags behave. They thought they had a perfect self insert when they were in front of a perfect fujo fantasy, which is the polar opposite

>>151188619
>What reason will he have to remain in the lives of Charlie and co., given that he's no longer being forced to protect/support her?
He clearly has some connection with Lilith. Maybe also a beef with her because of the seven years stuff. He'll be an antagonist at some point that's for sure. He has pretty much all possibilities open at this point.

>>151188619
>>151188603
I mean there are already interesting questions about his dynamic with Niffty and Husk. When he "quits" the hotel and goes to tell Rosie about it, he doesn't bring them along. They're both still at the Hotel. Why? He forced them to work there, why not take them when he leaves? Their souls are his property, after all. And why when Niffty sees that Alastor is in trouble, does she run and grab Husk and then show up at the fight? He can summon them; he could have snapped them into existence at his side, presumably (unless the staff is needed for that) but chose not to, and Husk actually fights on his behalf despite ostensibly hating the fucker and probably being able to escape the soul contract if Alastor dies for real.

If he's just a flat power-tripping psychopath incapable of actual empathy, and that ISN'T just an act he puts on, then why does he seem to have so much regard for Niffty and Husk's safety? And for their friendships at the hotel? Why not just poof them away with him? Why not use them as human shields when Vox attacks?

None of it fits the concept of Alastor as shown in the showdown with Vox, which makes sense as Alastor is playing an angle to escape his soul deal with Rosie.

>>151188663
>and Husk actually fights on his behalf despite ostensibly hating the fucker and probably being able to escape the soul contract if Alastor dies for real.

Husk spent most of the fight just defending himself from Velvette, he wasn't exactly rushing to Alastor's aid. If anything he's probably pissed that he got dragged into the fight without a say.

>>151188564
I don't know why people aren't seeing that he's going to be an endgame or close to endgame villain. You only go to rock bottom so early with a main character to build up stronger. Alastor will get the moments everyone is whining about him not having eventually.

>>151188645
People need to stop complaining and being surprised about Viv making her favorite male characters pathetic. She did it to Vox, too, and she'll continue doing it to Lucifer. It's what fujos do.

>>151188645
I clocked it as soon as Viv declared him asexual, this is going to incite reverse psychology in people and make him more shippable. His prim proper-ness, his most likely being a virgin, his smugness, and his brattyness all make him prime gap moe fujobait

>>151188697
No but he also doesn't seem especially vested in seeing Alastor lose, mostly just annoyed that Al has gotten himself into trouble ("what the fuck is all this about, Alastor?!") and Alastor of course bargains for his safety in his prisoner arrangement.

At first I thought maybe soul ownership had like, associative properties. If Alastor dies, Niff and Husk die with him, because their souls are tied to him, so they have a self-preservation reason to keep him alive no matter how much they hate it. Because it seems weird that they wouldn't actively be trying to let him die unless he used his contract to compel them to help.

For that matter, ditto Al and Rosie; whatever scheming Al's up to, if he wants out of his contract, why doesn't it involve scheming to have Rosie killed?

>>151186920
>Maybe the leak is just a Word document with bulletpoints slapped together within an hour just for attention

These same leaks accurately described what would happen in the first 4 episodes.
The leaks were posted October 21, 2025, 8 days before the Season premiered. So I'm assuming the leaks are credible but idk

I have no clue where this person got these leaks from. I think they may have been details accidentally revealed by reviewers but I'm not sure

https://x.com/wispiicoatl/status/1980737195532251217?t=AKzD4WH8kb4hIpRGNvKAfQ&s=19

>>151188751
Who knows. Maybe Rosie's death would null his power. I somehow have a feeling that deals in this show will just have lore of convenience.

>>151188729
>and she'll continue doing it to Lucifer
Remember in the pilot when he was framed as the distant one responsible for Charlie's doubts? Now he's just a sad uwu precious baby and Lilith is actually the problem. Same thing with goddamn Stolas being a coercive creep, but now he too is just a sad uwu gay boy at the mercy of a heartless, evil bitch. It's crazy how early 2000s fujopoisoned Viv's brain is, it's like I'm reading Gundam Wing fanfic that demonizes Relena to shit in order for Heero to fuck Duo.

>>151188140
Cheers, anon

>>151188751
>No but he also doesn't seem especially vested in seeing Alastor lose, mostly just annoyed that Al has gotten himself into trouble ("what the fuck is all this about, Alastor?!") and Alastor of course bargains for his safety in his prisoner arrangement.
Probably because he has plans for Husk, even if those plans are just keeping an eye on everything at the hotel.
>For that matter, ditto Al and Rosie; whatever scheming Al's up to, if he wants out of his contract, why doesn't it involve scheming to have Rosie killed?
Maybe it does. We don't know the exact details what his endgame is. We know that getting himself captured is part of his plan, but that's about all we'll know until next week, or the week after that.

>gross hoof feet
Vox has definitely jerked off to them.

>>151186580
The way Adamfags talks about him you'd think he was actually God or Jesus and not, you know, Adam.

>>151188794
Nah, Lucifer was always going to be a goof based on hiw Viv talked about him. She was just setting up to subvert expectations when he actually appeared. In canon he still is distant and partially responsible for Charlie's doubts. I don't even think the "maybe dad was right about me" was retconned because we see show Lucifer put his foot in his mouth and make Charlie feel like he's mocking her. I don't put it past him to have said something Charlie interpreted as him thinking she's a failure.

>>151182033
I'm fine with Lute being saved for S3.
That was one of the main issues of S1. They had three seasons worth of narrative and shoved it into 8 episodes while trying to build the world around it to make us care about the characters and their settings.

>>151188822
I'm glad they're not being fed this season. I hope most of them fuck off before season 3 where he probably has a role.

>>151188794
I was thinking to myself that it was kind of cool to have Vox be this entertaining antagonist without the typical sob story that Viv always gives to her favorite sexy man twink male characters and then episode 4 comes and gives him a sob story

Her writing is so predictable it's actually hilarious. Is Valentino going to get a sob story too? Did he have an abuser too who took away his favorite LED lights or whatever the fuck moths like

So how exactly does redemption work? Does it just count what got you into Hell or does the stuff you do in Hell tally up alongside it too?
Like if you go to Hell for thievery but then do something way worse do you have to repent for that too or just the thieving part?

>>151188860
Adam is the only one who escaped despite her loving him. Maybe because he's not a cute twink.

>>151188860
>and then episode 4 comes and gives him a sob story
It's not really a sob story if he was always planning on ruling Hell, he just happened to have developed a crush along the way.

>>151188860
>then episode 4 comes and gives him a sob story
It's only a sob story for retards who forget he runs a business built around rape and sex trafficking.

>>151188860
I doubt it with Valentino. Fan whining that he's being softened aside, he's consistently vile whenever he's on screen despite his bimbo side. I don't get the split brain people have where they're shocked and disgusted about him forcing that exorcist hologram to mime sucking his dick and then also say that they're making him too soft.

>>151188860
>show's entire premise is "everyone is capable of redemption"
>be surprised that none of the villain characters are cartoonishly evil and devoid of sympathetic motives
Kind of a bold assumption to make, isn't it? Isn't the entire idea here that damnation comes from weakness and that anyone is capable of doing better and being saved? It's not very interesting to have a show about redeeming sinners in hell if you have to further subdivide them into two categories, "sinners worthy of redemption who are in hell for spurious reasons" and "ultra dickbags who totally deserve it don't waste your time".

Everyone has to be sympathetic for the narrative to work. Every character has to seem less like a cartoon monster the more you get to know them, because you have to believe that "sinners have just made mistakes" and that if things had gone differently, they could be good people.

Lucifer being a pathetic wet cat blorbo is one of the biggest disappointments in this show. I feel like a big part of the humor with the entire premise is Charlie is this goofy out of touch Disney Princess in the midst of literal Hell that is bleak and miserable.

I always felt like Charlie is the funniest character of the show because she is explicitly unique in not being a vulgar person and thus the writers have to write actual jokes for her that aren't edgy cynicism, sex jokes or swearing. And again, her being this overly optimistic and out of place princess in Hell was actually funny in the pilot.

Making Lucifer goofy like her just kind of ruins the humor of the series and dilutes Charlie's character. It would have been much more interesting if Lucifer was like actually Lucifer, what we typically envision the Devil to be. And maybe he used to be goofy like Charlie in his angel days, but being in Hell has made him corrupted and jaded.

>>151188923
>he's consistently vile whenever he's on screen despite his bimbo side. I don't get the split brain people have where they're shocked and disgusted about him forcing that exorcist hologram to mime sucking his dick and then also say that they're making him too soft.
The show absolutely is making him softer by framing his antics as slapstick and comic relief. The tonal dissonance from how he's portrayed now compared to "Addict" is bizarre

>>151188878
Unfortunately for Adamfags. They want him to be a victim and have more complexity so bad. Their tantrums when it turned out he wasn't a loving father to Abel made me kek

>>151188941
>The show absolutely is making him softer by framing his antics as slapstick and comic relief.
??? Who the fuck thinks Val is softer now? He's just funny. Being funny doesn't make you soft.
>>151188878
I'd say wait until S3 since I figure we'll find out more about him.

>>151188941
>The show absolutely is making him softer by framing his antics as slapstick and comic relief
I think they're trying to darken Vox and Velvette instead. Post season 1, everyone thought Vox and Velvette were silly monster-of-the-week characters and Valentino was an irredeemable piece of walking filth. I think part of "softening" Val is to make Vox and Velvette seem more cruel and menacing by contrast.

>>151188893
>>151188921
The flashback scene was clearly framed by the narrative as Alastor being a dick to Vox. Viv herself said on Bluesky that the scene was Alastor being an "asshole". Which is hilarious because it's perfectly fine to be suspicious of a former cult leader offering an alliance so I have no clue why this scene was framed the way it was

>>151188938
I don't know, he's still pretty jaded and openly hates Sinners. Despite being at the hotel he isn't doing anything to support it and hasn't even bothered to learn Charlie's friends' names. They've set up a pretty big gap between them, probably to highlight what Charlie could become if she makes the wrong moves and lets herself give up.

>>151188977
Yeah but that doesn't justify or excuse anything Vox did up to that point or after. It served to show us what happened between them (Alastor is what happened) and more sides to their characters (Vox has insecurity issues and Alastor is an even bigger asshole than you thought).

>>151188977
But Alastor wasn't "suspicious" of him, he just thought it was pathetic that Vox would ask someone for help.

>>151188980
Yeah, I like Lucifer which is why I'm intrigued for season 3, but the guy is kind of an ineffectual loser (which does mildly disappoint me). His plan to help Charlie in ep. 1 was to hide her away in his room which is how he handles stress, and then he bragged about "being there" for her to Alastor even though he hasn't done anything. Does he not see the blimp flying around calling his daughter a dictator? I wouldn't be surprised if his and Lilith's marriage was already on the rocks before she left.

>rejected once
>oneitis for decades
If anything, this flashback should be demonstrating how fucking deranged Vox is to be so hung up. Deer is cute though, so I kind of get it

>>151188493
>Fuck this character.
Literally, hyuck hyuck hyuck.

>>151189048
Vox...

Am I the only one who got infected with deviantart syndrome by this show? Something about it makes me want to make a cringy hazbin oc of my own.

>>151188927
To clarify I'm not saying it's bad for evil characters to have backstories. If they serve the purpose of giving context to how the character became the way they are, that's fine.

What I am criticizing is how Viv gives her favorite characters these same sappy poorly written backstories that always hit the same story beats and distort the narrative to make them sympathetic and softer.

Like Stolas's whole childhood backstory was obviously written to frame Stolas as sympathetic and retcon his relationship with Blitzo as wholesome. Even Stella was demonized as an evil cariacture as a literal child just to make Stolas seem more sympathetic.

Does anyone have that shot of Charlie and Vaggie in the hotel arguing about the Vees while Vox is looking smug in the corner?

>>151189036
I actually like it, especially after all the complaining that More Than Anything "fixed" his and Charlie's relationship and he'd be just a good guy now. Instead he's still kind of an asshole and even after the pep talk, Charlie is clearly still annoyed at his attitude toward Sinners and is immediately and specifically excited to rub his nose in it after she learns redemption is possible. And I agree that he and Lilith were on the outs for a while. The extermination was probably just the last straw.

>>151187956
> I don't know what Angel standing in front of the train was supposed to do

Oh thank god somebody else said it. That bothered me. It looked pretty obvious that the train was just gonna run over them both and that it was totally pointless. But Angel and Husk both act like Angel was close to sacrificing his life to save Husk. To the point that Angel even steals Vaggie’s credit by saying he was saving Husk’s life, when Vaggie came and saved them both.

I get that Angel was trying and that things were happening too fast. But did he really think he was about to use his body to derail the train and divert it away from Husker, instead of just getting skewered or flattened?

>>151189106
>when you think about holding Alastor's hand

By the end of this series Valentino will develop a fendom fetish for Nifty

>>151189100
>virginal feminine twink
>shapely thicc whore
I gotta give Vox credit for his taste, it's kino.

>seal the embodiment of evil in a fucking tree and put it in the same location as your new experimental flesh golems
Why were the angels so stupid? Pretend I used a pic of Sera instead of Emily since I doubt Emily was alive at the time.

>>151189106
>hfw BDSM sex with Valentino
>hfw milkshake date with Alastor

>>151189110
L-lewd...

>>151189120
>Pretend I used a pic of Sera instead of Emily since I doubt Emily was alive at the time.
why didn't you just use a pic of sera

>>151189154
This is the only one I have and it doesn't really fit my comment

>>151187020
Now that they’re setting up the theory that each individual soul needs to find a personal method of redemption for their own personal sin, it really doesn’t make sense that they’d all also be required to die via angelic weapon. There’s just only so many ways that a character can sacrifice their own life, and it would be impossible to apply that to the antithesis of every unique personal sin that every individual character might have.

Which personally I think means it makes even less sense than if dying by angelic blade was a part of the equation. The exterminations apparently only started seven years before the events of the show, so that would actually go a long way into explaining why no other soul had ever been redeemed in the history of humanity.

>>151189120
It’s not an experiment without tests.

>>151188996
I don't think the narrative is using this to justify Vox's actions, but it is clearly framing this scene as Alastor being the bad guy. Which in order for that framing to make sense you have to ignore that Vox was a former "cult leader" in his human life and is straight up asking Alastor to take over Hell with him. Which is either intentionally or unintentionally softening his character.

Even if they were going for a "Vox was once naive and made the mistake of being vulnerable with a fellow demon" it still feels really silly. They live in Hell. He wants to take over Hell. Why is he this bothered by some guy being a dick to him. It would make sense if he were sheltered like Charlie, but he wasn't. They just decided to depict him as soft and naive with seemingly no precedent.

I feel like this could be fixed if the show have more cohesion in how it depicts its moral compass. Shows like The Harley Quinn Show do a much better job at this. The main characters are complex and nuanced with tragic backstories, but they are still very much villains and the show is very explicit about this contradiction. In fact the contradiction is kind of the whole joke of the show.

Vivziepop and her writing team can't really decide on how she wants to depict her characters because she wants to do everything at once.

>>151189120
You have any idea how much of a bitch it is to plant a whole entire new Garden of Eden somewhere else, anon?

>>151188980
This is one of my favorite little characterizations. It’s canonical that he was made to live with sinners in hell specifically
so that he could only ever see the worst consequences of giving mankind free will; I like that this worked, and he really did become depressed and jaded because he believes that giving mankind free will actually WAS a mistake and they only use it to be fuckheads. He sees in Charlie the hopefulness that led him to grant free will to begin with, and he sympathizes with her passion, but is ultimately CONVINCED she’ll fail just like he did, because humans are inherently awful, sinners most of all. He just loves her too much to be the one to crush her hope, and is proud of her for trying even though he knows she’ll fail

>>151189044
It's honestly one of the funniest scenes in the show and could have been easily improved if it had just a little self awareness. The concept of starting a heated rivalry with another overlord, not because of betrayal, backstabbing, power struggle, or anything actually substantial but instead because he was mean to you 70 years ago is hilarious

>>151189337
Feel like Velvette would call him a little bitch if she could've seen that flashback

>>151189290
I hope he has a bad reaction when he learns about Pen's redemption. Realistically he'd have mixed feelings to say the least.

>>151188980
I know he is already jaded, what I meant to say is that it would be better if he were much more mysterious, imposing, and evil.

Lucifer in his current depiction is clearly not a good or optimistic person, but he is still a similar level of whimsical and silly that Charlie is. I'm saying I wish he wasn't depicted as a relatable sad depressed guy and was instead more a traditional depiction of the Devil.

>>151184291
Cherri bomb is literally the evil midnight bomber that strikes at midnight.

>>151189269
You’re missing the point that Alastor is not “just some guy” to Vox. He is his idol, his role model and his crush.

>>151187122
It wasn’t Charlie’s home, it was the residence of Sinners with unproven reputations of being good, already judged to be evil by God. Sinners who have been killing, eating, and torturing each other for hundreds of years, before Adam shown up.

Charlie and Sera were too stupid to think about what happens when you give Sinners an inch of victory.

>>151189445
I wonder if we’ll see that representation of him in flashbacks to his Lilith era, where he’s a more ruthless person up until everything he cares about nopes out on him. That said, his preferred casting was Weird Al, I don’t think he was ever intended to be not a clown. But we have seen these small glimpses of him being actually sinister, just brief flashes of it.

>>151189883
Vox will resurrect that Lucifer Heaven feared the most.

>>151189876
I love that we still get schizobabble like this even though we've known for years that Charlie was right and redemption is possible.
>Charlie and Sera were too stupid to think about what happens when you give Sinners an inch of victory.
When Heaven and Hell both fail the Sinners nobody should be surprised that they're mad.

>>151182268

>the show plays into the alastor is foreigner (dark skin)
>He killed people only to escape his slavery

No way. He speaks with a transatlantic accent despite being in the deep south. This puts him in the educated middle/upper class.

He more likely is the descendant of a slave owner. (Slave owners did have children with slaves, and some cases invested in educating them. Easy example is Kamala Harris' family history when people tried to bring up that she was black.)

>he died before he could ever be free

Slavery was definitely over by the 1930s (the time when Alastor was alive).

Episode 3 would have been funnier if it were instead about Charlie desperately trying to prove to Vox and Velvette that her hotel works despite having no evidence of Pentious being redeemed and Vox who, despite having enough evidence to smear her, desperately tries to break her relentless optimism and faith in redemption just out of pure arrogance and they both drive each other insane trying to one up the other

>>151189919
What makes Pentious any different from Noah?
One saved soul doesn’t justify the whole world’s continued presence.
Even Vox is totally lying about wanting to get revenge on Heaven to get supporters on his conquering calls and that guy is expected to get redeemed next.

Do you act like this because Charlie is your waifu?

>>151190075
That would be out of character for Vox.

>>151190075
>>151190166
It'd be funny if Vox was just trying to stir shit and didn't have an agenda

>>151189096
Seems like some kind of Vivtardation where she knew what she wanted at the start and end of that scene but couldn't figure out a way to connect the dots properly. The fact nobody else managed to tell her what a fucktard she is and fix it is very concerning in relation to the whole show.

>>151189096
Kinda the worst most retarded part is that Angel jumps in like he actually has some kind of a plan, then just does that.

Maybe it was going to make actual sense and then Viv decided that the tacked-on lezzo should get to do something to justify her existence, so she added Vaggie to the scene at a later time and it just fucked everything up.

>>151181475 (OP)
Sex with Velvet!

>>151190180
I was thinking something along the lines of Vox deep down perceiving Charlie to be a threat, not just because she initially received good press for defeating the exorcists, but her entire ideology of redemption, hope, and the ability to change directly hinders his goals of exploiting and profiting from the status quo of misery amongst sinners.

At least that's how it was set up in Hazbin Guarantee. It is strange that Charlie and Vox haven't really had direct one on one conflict since that song. Despite being the protagonist and antagonist respectively

>>151189096
>>151190304
Angel would've taken the spear and died permanently while Husk would've "died" from the train and respawned at some point. Which still isn't really sound logic because I guess the spear could've gone through Angel and then impaled Husk anyway.

>>151190359
everyone in that scene was just written to be stupid for the sake of melodrama

>>151190359
Respawned? Isn't the angelic weapon shit just for angels?

But while we're on the subject didn't Nifty full on stab Val dead centre through the back so it came out his stomach? Lucky she didn't still have her Angelic dagger then I guess.

>>151190387
I don’t think so.
It’s an in-the-moment situation caused by Charlie setting up a dangerous high-speed contraption that Angel didn’t think he had enough time to save Husk’s life..

>>151190397
Shouldn't this have been fatal or have some kind of significant consequences for Val?

>>151190463
It’s not an angel knife. So no.

>>151190484
But we see people get killed all the time without angelic weapons.

And then why bother stabbing it at all if he can just shrug it off like it never even happened?

My rankings of the songs so far

10. Like You
9. Clean It Up!
8. Sera's Confession
7. Piss (A love song)
6. Hazbin Guarantee
5. Don't You Forget
4. Speedrun to Redemption
3. Don't You Forget (reprise)
2. Once We Get Up There
1. Gravity

In defense of speedrun to redemption: as much as I dislike episode 3 and its writing, I think erika henningsen did an amazing job portraying Charlie's declining mental state and rollercoaster of emotions while also having great vocals. She is probably one of the best VAs when it comes to this

>>151190397
>Respawned? Isn't the angelic weapon shit just for angels?
Huh? Sinners can only permanently die from being killed by an angelic weapon. Charlie tied Vaggie's spear to the train. Angel's logic was probably that his body would block the spear and he'd permanently die while Husk is just turned into ground beef by the train.
>>151190387
I think there could've been some miscommunication in the team, like the spear, Angel and Husk would have to be positioned just right for the idea of Angel throwing himself in front of the spear specifically instead of the spear AND the train to work.

>>151190531
>But we see people get killed all the time without angelic weapons.
They respawn eventually, we just haven't seen it happen yet.