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Anonymous No.151183663 [Report] >>151183683 >>151183684 >>151183701 >>151184088 >>151184457 >>151184489 >>151184724 >>151185029 >>151189250 >>151189319 >>151190911 >>151191589 >>151191607 >>151192188 >>151197952 >>151199286 >>151199366
Anime art always mogs cartoons
Anonymous No.151183683 [Report]
>>151183663 (OP)
>Weeb detected
Fuck off to /a/
Anonymous No.151183684 [Report] >>151184080 >>151184503 >>151184913 >>151185064 >>151189790 >>151199418
>>151183663 (OP)
Americans can't draw because our art education system is terrible.
Anonymous No.151183701 [Report] >>151184275
>>151183663 (OP)
they downgraded Marge's dress tho, it's not even shoulderless or body-hugging
Anonymous No.151183744 [Report] >>151184081
soul soulless
Anonymous No.151184019 [Report] >>151184081 >>151184398 >>151199858
>Just homogenize the distinctive styles to make them look like generic seasonal slop.
Weebs. Not even once.
Anonymous No.151184080 [Report] >>151184503 >>151187433
>>151183684
Cope
Anonymous No.151184081 [Report] >>151184097 >>151186045 >>151194666
>>151183744
>>151184019
Cope. The artists on the right could easily draw the art on the left, but the artists on the left could never draw the art on the right.
Anonymous No.151184088 [Report]
>>151183663 (OP)
I think you should drink gasoline and eat a match,
Anonymous No.151184097 [Report]
>>151184081
Suck my dick, you faggot cunt
Anonymous No.151184275 [Report] >>151184386
>>151183701
Yeah, why did they change her dress?
Anonymous No.151184386 [Report]
>>151184275
It would be considered vulgar in japan, specially if the boss is visiting
Anonymous No.151184398 [Report] >>151184473 >>151186045 >>151191589 >>151192021 >>151192021
>>151184019
>cherry picking
And at least anime look good most of the time. Most cartoons have bad animation AND bad art
Anonymous No.151184457 [Report] >>151184546
>>151183663 (OP)
Holy shit what a gigantic fucking downgrade. Easily a bait thread. Anyone who agrees with OP just hates things that deviate from the jap standard. He is GIGA gay.
Anonymous No.151184473 [Report] >>151187433
>>151184398
Cope, cunt
Anonymous No.151184489 [Report]
>>151183663 (OP)
Mods should move this thread to >>>/a/ just to spite them
Anonymous No.151184503 [Report] >>151184620 >>151184892 >>151185064 >>151189469 >>151191589
>>151183684
>>151184080
Anon's not wrong. Americano art school is a joke. I don't have the /ic/ image, but essentially they barely teach higher-tier art in the US, let alone basic ass drawing skills. They used to, but art became this "everything and anything is art" and it's all "subjective" drivel. It's why the East is kicking the West's ass because no one wants to watch fugly frumpy characters in woke preachy rainbow vomit propaganda anymore.
Anonymous No.151184546 [Report] >>151184585 >>151184647
>>151184457
>actual art with good coloring and shading is a downgrade
So this is the power of /co/mblr
Anonymous No.151184585 [Report] >>151187433
>>151184546
Cope, you fucking cunt.
Anonymous No.151184620 [Report] >>151184667 >>151187433
>>151184503
Shut your hole
Anonymous No.151184647 [Report]
>>151184546
Hey smartass, the ones on the left are stills so this argument is (already was but still) retarded by default.
Anonymous No.151184667 [Report] >>151184692
>>151184620
Anonymous No.151184692 [Report] >>151184758
>>151184667
No, is that i don’t want f/a/gs shit talking other media on their designated board, especially after what happened with Peter David’s sticky so fuck off.
Anonymous No.151184724 [Report] >>151184757
>>151183663 (OP)
wym? the ones on the left are actually more arousing.
Anonymous No.151184757 [Report]
>>151184724
Come on, at least Marge isn’t flat
Anonymous No.151184758 [Report] >>151184775 >>151184936 >>151185490 >>151189631
>>151184692
The problem is there is bound to be some cross pollination discussions, and apparently it's a big no-no to talk about the current state of affairs in Western animation and the bad ideas and initiatives behind them, especially since Hollywood and the animation and comic industry is ideologically captured and you're not allowed to point it out, discuss it, or try to change it because it's culture war, despite the fact it's the main reason for the decline. But I digress, gotta eat the slop and be happy with the rainbow cult media forever and ever now, because we can't talk about it, or it's culture war discussions. When anime provides far more variety in storytelling alone. One of the reasons /co/ is a slowly degrading crap-o-la hole, nothing to talk about but the same dead and dying industry. Comics in the West are dead, and animation is BARELY limping along.
Anonymous No.151184775 [Report] >>151184813
>>151184758
>gifrel
Anonymous No.151184813 [Report] >>151184840
>>151184775
>gifrel
What?
Anonymous No.151184840 [Report] >>151184857 >>151187433
>>151184813
Anonymous No.151184857 [Report] >>151197840 >>151197995
>>151184840
Yah got me!
Anonymous No.151184892 [Report] >>151184948 >>151185022
>>151184503
It's cause artists aren't taken seriously as a career path. You say you wanna be an artist in America and people laugh at you and suggest you go into trades and doodle with nothing but a pencil. You say you wanna draw porn professionally in Japan and oba-san chains you to a desk until you can draw titties perfectly while blind.
Anonymous No.151184913 [Report] >>151184942 >>151184947
>>151183684
Henry Thurlow is an America animator wo has worked on famous anime. Americans can draw, they just go to Japan when they realize they'll have a better career there. This whole thread is fucking retarded
Anonymous No.151184936 [Report]
>>151184758
here here
Anonymous No.151184942 [Report] >>151191307
>>151184913
You'll notice I said American's can't draw BECAUSE of our art education. An American went to japan and got a better education. Nothing you said contradicted what I said.
Anonymous No.151184947 [Report]
>>151184913
>This whole thread is fucking retarded
You don’t say?
Anonymous No.151184948 [Report]
>>151184892
except by the people who peddle art education.
Anonymous No.151185022 [Report] >>151185062 >>151186965
>>151184892
That's a two fold issue.
One: American animated and comic media never tried to go for a mature audience and when it did, it was never handled maturely or with an over sexualized, sometimes slapstick humor. The closest the US ever got was Ralph Bashki, and that was too vulgar at the time but it poked at America's race issues of the times. For comics, you had more variety, especially Alan Moore pushing boundaries, but the issue with comics in the US is they will never quite take remove the cultural yoke of being adjacent to capeshit slop and therefore childish. Meanwhile anime and manga is universally regarded even by plebian normies that it's more mature. But it's heavily cultural optics, and that the old comics industry is in the way of letting a new comics industry florusih. The only thing they've really tried is live action cape-shit and rebranding their old capeshit slop into rainbow cult capeshit.
Two: Because art has been degraded culturally extremely heavily. It was heavily seceded to the territory of the far-left, the main memes are that no one leaning right has ever been an artists, and if they were, they held no cultural footprint, and that you have to be gay, since some of the old classical masters were so the realm of art is in that camp now and forevermore. American's also have never really held art as a high point, despite artists like Rockafellar and J.C. Leyendecker and instead Andy Warhol being held up as the examples. Hell, the American writers that shaped much of fantasy are usually the laughing stocks in modernity, Robert E. Howard (Conan) and Lovecraft.
Anonymous No.151185029 [Report] >>151191589
>>151183663 (OP)
American cartoons and animators for that matter (specifically American, Europe doesn't really have this problem, such as the French) simply don't have the proper education to reach what was considered the golden age of animation during the mid 1900s. In fact we've never truly reached it, but came close.
Still, you do have parts of Europe that create astounding animations to the quality of a high budget movie anime.
The crazy thing is the skill does exist in America, but only as freelancers and indie animators, because art college is a scam and anyone worth their salt was self taught.
Hell you even have Americans making key animations for studios like Mappa.
Anonymous No.151185062 [Report] >>151185113 >>151197085
>>151185022
>cultural yoke of being adjacent to capeshit slop and therefore childish. Meanwhile anime and manga is universally regarded even by plebian normies that it's more mature
Retard
Anonymous No.151185064 [Report] >>151185155 >>151189469 >>151198031
>>151183684
>>151184503
Americans CAN draw, despite the crux of art college. The problem is there's no studio in the country that supports traditional animation, with the exception of fan funded indie animations.
Anonymous No.151185113 [Report]
>>151185062
I mean, it's not wrong. Ask any Gen X'er, Boomer, Millennial, or Zoomers, and you'd probably get a consensus that anime/manga is more mature. Comic wise? Alan Moore isn't exactly mainstream, Bone (comic), Hellboy? You usually have to dig up some stuff most people haven't heard of to find other examples of good Western mature comics.I mean look at Princess Mononoke, Porko Rosso? And what is the equivalent there in the US? Prince of Eygpt?
Anonymous No.151185155 [Report]
>>151185064
It doesn't help they don't teach art, there is not REAL financial end-goal for it, so you have to rely on eternal outliers, like gifted artists and nepo-babies to fill the gaps in the industry. The only decent animation schools really are maybe SCAD (I've heard it's been having major issues), CalArts, or Sheridan in Canada. The top Euro college being Goeblins I think. Art and animation is a rich nepo-baby passion, especially in this age. You hear about some of the older artists in the industry talk about how they got in doing inbetweens and little works and worked up from there, almost like an apprenticeship, which that is completely dead now and you have to have a fucking masters in Animation just to even attempt to get your foot in the door for a stable job. And that's not even getting started on the nuclear fallout of the comic industry.
Anonymous No.151185490 [Report] >>151188028
>>151184758
Animated dystopia.
Anonymous No.151186045 [Report]
>>151184081
Lol, keep shilling, I'm sure they'll notice you one day
>>151184398
>And at least anime look good most of the time
lololololololol
Anonymous No.151186086 [Report]
you can't really define ''anime art'' like that
Anonymous No.151186107 [Report]
east vs west is cancer.
Do not reply.
Only report.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=151183663
Anonymous No.151186124 [Report] >>151186896
Thisss
Anonymous No.151186896 [Report] >>151187444 >>151189979
>>151186124
What a disgusting artstyles
Anonymous No.151186965 [Report]
>>151185022
Comics and animation did have a much more mature and risqué tone to them, however around the mid twentieth century things took a turn. I mean you always had capeshit and whacky animals but there was a counter balance with pulp horror and noir stuff that persisted for a while but ultimately superhero shit took precedence and gained far more popularity. And as for animation you have stuff like Betty Boop with her basically being a sex symbol and provocative (for the time) music being involved. It would be like if during an episode of say TLOK Korra stripped down into revealing underwear and started doing squats while rap music played. But over time things became more sanitized as children became the core demographic and the puritanical views for the time prevented any more experimental works for gaining much traction. However today there is a different sort of puritanical element but their main reasoning behind not going for more mature elements is that they believe it to be “objectification” or at least the is the excuse they use to obfuscate the actual reasoning. These are the cultural warriors which you spoke of before.
Anonymous No.151187433 [Report] >>151188383
>>151184080
>>151184473
>>151184585
>>151184620
>>151184840
What the fuck is this way of posting? This wasn't a thing 15 years ago.
Anonymous No.151187444 [Report]
>>151186896
ESL faggot
Anonymous No.151188028 [Report]
>>151185490
Cute doggo
Anonymous No.151188383 [Report]
>>151187433
Elon Musk's Twitter acquisition and it's consequences have been a disaster to civil discourse in image boards.
Twitter tourists should all be publicly shot dead by firing squad and all the indians, russians, chinese and jews who flood every corner of the internet with their bot farms drowned in a sea of shit alongside their fake traffic. Only then can things be restored back to something resembling normalcy now known only to the old guard of internet nomads. Only then.
Anonymous No.151189250 [Report] >>151189459
>>151183663 (OP)
True
Anonymous No.151189319 [Report] >>151189442
>>151183663 (OP)
only if you're a weeb cocksucker i guess, that marge looks generic as shit
Anonymous No.151189442 [Report] >>151189450
>>151189319
>if doesn't look ugly, it's generic
I bet you think irl women are generic
Anonymous No.151189450 [Report] >>151189972
>>151189442
Cope, subhuman faggot
Anonymous No.151189459 [Report]
>>151189250
Stop being a retard
Anonymous No.151189469 [Report] >>151189697
>>151184503
>>151185064
that book is 30 years old you bitter retards
Anonymous No.151189494 [Report] >>151189697
Americans artists not only don't get paid because art isn't valued in America, the Jap artists are content with being chained to the desk and drawing until perfection like autists while American artists want social recognition though, and since art doesn't ive them that because they're not bugpeople, they abandon it. Except the lefties because it gives the a tool to vent with art.
Anonymous No.151189631 [Report] >>151189739
>>151184758
>slowly degrading
you mean things can get worse?
Anonymous No.151189697 [Report] >>151189747 >>151189748 >>151189794 >>151189872
>>151189469
Yeah, and it just goes to show how downstream it's become and how continually proven it is. Even now to add onto that, there needs to be wokie initiatives in art and representation which adds another layer of bullshit to the whole mix. Mainstream Americanos can't draw worth a shit, which is why they do bean mouth and the comics industry traces over 3D models for their super-slop. You damage controlling retard.
>>151189494
>the Jap artists are content with being chained to the desk and drawing until perfection like autists while American artists want social recognition
It sounds more like passion vs ego, Japs = passion driven, Americanos = ego driven. Even then, Americano artists outsource their fuckin workload to the East since they're such untalented lazy assholes who think propaganda is more important than doing their jobs to entertain and being talented story tellers. You see this most in their shit writing.
>Except the lefties because it gives the a tool to vent with art.
It's hardly venting, it's far more propaganda and it's just preachy whining. They're not recreating their their issues into a palatable actual story telling device like Tolkien did and his experiences in WW1. They're just inserting their issues directly at a surface level like the knuckle draggers they are.
Anonymous No.151189739 [Report]
>>151189631
Anonymous No.151189747 [Report] >>151189816
>>151189697
>It's hardly venting, it's far more propaganda and it's just preachy whining. They're not recreating their their issues into a palatable actual story telling device
True, but isn't that because they're just shit writers who'd rather vent or ultimately propagandize and bitch about their issues?
Anonymous No.151189748 [Report] >>151189816
>>151189697
>Even then, Americano artists outsource their fuckin workload to the East since they're such untalented lazy assholes who think propaganda is more important than doing their jobs to entertain and being talented story tellers.
No, they do it because that's just how American economics work. There is constant, extreme pressure to cut corners wherever possible because the company's CEO made some insane promises to shareholders and needs to make the Line Go Up at all costs.
Anonymous No.151189790 [Report]
>>151183684
There's also something to be said about the writing system. You can write a letter A any kind of way and it's generally going to be legible, but Japanese puts way more emphasis on stroke order and line weight. ツ シand ッ are all different. I have to imagine that impacts drawing ability somehow.
Anonymous No.151189794 [Report] >>151189867
>>151189697
>It sounds more like passion vs ego, Japs = passion driven, Americanos = ego driven
It may have started as a passion for Mericans, but the art economy is in a constant state of depression and then the ego kicks in when they're 40 and are still poor and unrecognized so they ditch it, whereas the Japs have an unparalleled booming art economy which makes it more possible to "make it". But even the Japs say it's hard to make it in art, so idk.
Anonymous No.151189816 [Report] >>151189836 >>151189908
>>151189747
>because they're just shit writers who'd rather vent or ultimately propagandize and bitch about their issues?
Yeah, and they should of never been given the job, and once it was discovered the garbage they write, they should'a been blacklisted for propagandizing entertainment for their own personal politics, but the entire creative field is politically captured and in a purity spiral.
>>151189748
At this point I'm inclined to believe the CEOs have to do it because Americano artists are fuckin lazy and entitled, especially the animation guild/union who continually shoot themselves in the foot like most incompetent and greedy unions do, but with the caveat, that there are "some" okayish unions that make sense, especially blue collar. It's probably even worse now because the artists are all politically captured propagandists who are getting spanked halfway across the world by the East who's pumping out higher quality work in higher quantities and the main issue Americano artists want to address is fuckin representation, DEI and wokie ideals versus the story telling and entertainment.
Anonymous No.151189836 [Report]
>>151189816
>representation, DEI and wokie ideals
It's all they have left at this point LMAO
So fucking sad and pathetic, hahahahaha
Anonymous No.151189867 [Report] >>151190081
>>151189794
Sure, but they quickly made it about politics and ego REAL quick though. It's not like an art industry was ever easy to make it in to begin with, same with entertainment. But in the Americano realm, it's far less about raw talent and meritocracy than it is networking and money and having the right politics now. Hence why in the Americano realm you have to be an extreme outlier of talent or a nepo-baby to make it in the art world and even then, you have to align politically as well. Versus Japan where it's far more ruthless meritocracy and workload output.
Anonymous No.151189872 [Report] >>151190055
>>151189697
It's sad because I'm sure there are plenty of people in america who can be passionate in that same way which would be a boon for the industry, but they're ignored and sacrificed for more useful idiots and demographic virtue signaling, because let's not kid ourselves outside of asians the other group most likely to autistically devote themselves to animation and the story they want to tell would be white dudes raring to create something with their talents and skills they built up only to get pushed aside for some black dyke who finally managed to correctly draw a circle. Also hispanic dudes who love capeshit and shonen, they've proven themselves to have a lot of potential but ironically they're pushed aside for much of the same reasons as white guys are, they're autistic and devoted to traditionally masculine shit like buff dudes gaining greater power to beat other buff dudes with great power.
Anonymous No.151189881 [Report] >>151190102
>west has jews and trannies
>east has nol jews and trannies
I think I prefer the east. No more arguments needed.
Anonymous No.151189908 [Report] >>151189987
>>151189816
It's a cyclical issue. Outsourcing causes the pool of domestic talent to wither and die, which leads to even more outsourcing. Good quality animation is expensive as fuck so Western companies that want to produce slop animation for easy profit don't have to worry much about competition, and even when they do have to worry about it, they just buy their competitors.
Also, Japan is not immune at all to slopification. Good content is not extinct in Japan like it is in the West, but it IS getting very rare, also because of profit motive. They pander to trannies too, just not in the same way.
Anonymous No.151189972 [Report] >>151190958
>>151189450
Grow up, zoomer
Anonymous No.151189979 [Report] >>151189994 >>151190924
>>151186896
Ugliness can work when done correctly, though I can’t blame people for forgetting that after 15 years of beanmouth garbage being the norm.
Anonymous No.151189987 [Report] >>151190055 >>151190310
>>151189908
I think there's definitely overlap issues with both industries but the Americano realm has their own unique issues that's probably going to knee-cap it into submission. Much like the current abysmal Americano comic industry that is a joke. There's been enough political activism and meddling in all major forms of entertainment and it's all coming from one source, and it needs to be taken care and addressed, if not openly humiliated and shamed. Western entertainment has stories to tell and talent to unlock, but it's too burdened and gatekept by quite frankly politically activated and captured freaks.
>Also, Japan is not immune at all to slopification.
True, but their slop is such a higher tier than Americano slop. I would read their slop over domestic any day.
Anonymous No.151189994 [Report] >>151190077 >>151190228
>>151189979
Invader Zim wasn't ugly tho
Anonymous No.151190055 [Report] >>151190136 >>151190287 >>151191803
>>151189872
Simply it's because talent is gatekept out and the creative institutions are politically captured. I mentioned it here a bit >>151189987 but the talent is not being tapped and the emphasis is on politics. Same with educational opportunities for seeding up and coming artists. Education is heavily politically captured and the worst areas are the arts and humanities. It's far easier to get a full ride if you have the right politics and/or are anything but white and straight. Creating a problematic purity spiral. Also, it doesn't help that the Americano entertainment industry doesn't value ruthless meritocracy either. So you get people failing upwards constantly.
>white dudes raring to create something with their talents and skills they built up only to get pushed aside for some black dyke who finally managed to correctly draw a circle. Also hispanic dudes who love capeshit and shonen, they've proven themselves to have a lot of potential but ironically they're pushed aside for much of the same reasons as white guys are
Yeah, it's all about DEI and representation and political parody. Hence why their are literal initiatives to also push women forward as well at the cost of talent and meritocracy and the current animation industry has been filled to the gills with the consequences of that.
>https://wearewia.org/
Anonymous No.151190077 [Report] >>151191504
>>151189994
Invader Zim had tons of ugly characters and grotesque imagery you retarded zoomer
Anonymous No.151190081 [Report]
>>151189867
I agree 100%.
Anonymous No.151190102 [Report]
>>151189881
>nol jews
What jargon is this? Sorry, I don't have the /pol/ encyclopedia with me
Anonymous No.151190136 [Report] >>151190271
>>151190055
Case in point, remember that shitty Ren & Stimpy reboot that got leaked almost 2 years ago where they fired the talent from the old show like Bill Wray and Bob Camp for being old and making, instead hiring female writers who worked on shit like Big Mouth and having cheap as fuck animation that obviously pales in comparison to the original?

That’s the reality of the modern industry people.
Anonymous No.151190158 [Report] >>151190173
You retards always fall for /a/ baits, they should really make it a bannable offence to make /a/ threads
Anonymous No.151190173 [Report]
>>151190158
>pictures of /co/ characters as OP
>/a/ thread
Anonymous No.151190228 [Report] >>151190942
>>151189994
It was so bad that I had to detox myself after bingewatching this shit.
Anonymous No.151190271 [Report]
>>151190136
Yeah, it's been happening for a while, and if you point it out, you're just an alt-right nazi. Despite literal evidence to the contrary of actual initiatives to discriminate based on politics, sex and race (and in your examples, as others I've read too of the old guard, ageism as well) while hiding and veiling themselves behind DEI, representation and woke initiatives. They're literally all talentless political propagandist grifters who should of never been let in through the door to begin with. High Fantasy Spice showed just how deranged it got to a point and how the industry is being currently run, amongst other creative industries liek gaming and comics, where it's purely women's writing rooms and they simply just discriminate with full masks off now.
Anonymous No.151190287 [Report] >>151190337
>>151190055
oh I know, check out the Geena Davis Institute if you want more bullshit like this
Anonymous No.151190310 [Report] >>151190434
>>151189987
It's ultimately about money, anon. I know it's a boring and unsatisfying explanation, but it's true. If it wasn't, there would be way more and better indie competition. Institutional capture is only a problem when you can't fuck off and make your own institution.
>True, but their slop is such a higher tier than Americano slop.
The good stuff is better, the slop is just as bad. At least Western garbage is fun to rip on, the SOL and isekai nonsense my weeb friends goaded me into watching was just incredibly fucking boring and dumb.
Anonymous No.151190337 [Report] >>151191803
>>151190287
>Geena Davis Institute
>https://geenadavisinstitute.org/
>while exposing persistent gaps across race, LGBTQIA+, disability, age, and body type.
>But urgent attention is needed for race and ethnicity, LGBTQIA+, older characters, diverse body types, and disability representation. My institute works with creatives all over the world to enhance on-screen diversity and ensure nuanced portrayals.
FUCKING GRIM!
Anonymous No.151190351 [Report]
To the guys bitching, you should check out Newgrounds for where good Western stuff comes out. Probably because it's unfiltered indie art, you can really taste the passion they have
Anonymous No.151190434 [Report] >>151190686
>>151190310
>It's ultimately about money, anon.
No, it is most definitely not ultimately about money. It's extremely political now a days. If it was solely about money, the talent pool would look a LOT different, and so too the entertainment. Hyper cheap animation has been a thing since Flash and tweening pre-rendered/drawn images, so it's not simply about the money.
>Institutional capture is only a problem when you can't fuck off and make your own institution.
That's wrong as well, ideological capture is the bane of every institution and currently, almost unprecedented, it's been at it's most insidious and corrupt as it's ever been. You're comment comes off as more hand waving away as though it's not the major issue at the moment despite talent being gatekept out and DEI politics at the forefront at the cost of quality and talent and I'm not even slightly convinced it's about profit. Especially how vocal they are about their politics instead.
Anonymous No.151190461 [Report] >>151190486
You better invest in your favorite (right-wing) artists on their Patreon or whatever then
Anonymous No.151190486 [Report] >>151190539
>>151190461
Seems like Flashgitz is killing it with only three episodes. Almost like there is an untapped market out there. How strange and peculiar.
Anonymous No.151190539 [Report]
>>151190486
Yeah lol, I love those guys
Anonymous No.151190632 [Report]
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/1003432
>this is the so called un-propagandized indie art in question
Anonymous No.151190639 [Report]
Anonymous No.151190686 [Report] >>151190804 >>151191803
>>151190434
>Hyper cheap animation has been a thing since Flash and tweening pre-rendered/drawn images, so it's not simply about the money.
Times change. Corpos only take risks and invest in interesting things when they have to do so in order to remain competitive; if they can make easy, consistent profit, they will always do so. As time goes on, they (unfortunately) get better at maintaining profit with declining quality. The entertainment industry is hardly unique in this respect.
>ideological capture is the bane of every institution and currently, almost unprecedented, it's been at it's most insidious and corrupt as it's ever been.
You must be very young if you actually believe this. This isn't the first time Western animation has been terrible and it will not be the last, nor is it the first time politics have meddled in the entertainment industry.
If DEI was the sole reason Western animation sucks, non-DEI Western animation would be better. It isn't.
Anonymous No.151190804 [Report] >>151190886
>>151190686
>nor is it the first time politics have meddled in the entertainment industry.
Right, because everything before and leading up to the 2010s was nothing but right-wing and left-wing exclusive creations rather than creating the product and not inserting politics. Even then, the teams were more diverse and not political activists. The difference too, being is that you now have studios and creators pushing woke propaganda or gatekeeping talent out to create faux-diverse teams and creating purity spirals in the industry far more extreme than they have ever been, if they ever really were that bad or this politically activated for this long.
>non-DEI Western animation would be better. It isn't.
Primal is a perfect example. And what non-DEI animation studio or team is even around anymore that works in the industry. It's simply not the output of the product, but the production line, the creators and the educational institutions that helped calcify the current situation. It's why Star Wars has gone to shit, LOTR, the Witcher show, all of these IPs too have been infested with these parasites and are more concerned with pushing their politics rather than the work and entertainment themselves, which is the same with animation and comics currently.
Anonymous No.151190827 [Report]
Holy fucking based
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/1000997
Anonymous No.151190886 [Report]
>>151190804
What I found is that those infesting it with their lefty politics can't help themselves, litereally. They view the entire world as a political landscape, at all times
Anonymous No.151190911 [Report]
>>151183663 (OP)
No anime nicole is objetively less hot
Anonymous No.151190924 [Report] >>151191023
>>151189979
Invader zim is ugly?
Anonymous No.151190942 [Report] >>151191023
>>151190228
Faggot with shit taste
Anonymous No.151190958 [Report]
>>151189972
Fuck off
Anonymous No.151191023 [Report] >>151191065
>>151190924
Yes
>>151190942
>if you don't like this ugle artstyle you have shit taste
KWAB
Anonymous No.151191065 [Report] >>151191372
>>151191023
Cope and go watch beanmouth shit, you homosexual subhuman waste of sperm.
Anonymous No.151191175 [Report] >>151191346 >>151191823 >>151191962
>NOOO WHY DOES EVERY CARTOON SUCK?? Umm no, i won't actually watch cartoons, i just want to doompost and complain ;)
Fucking bot site.
Anonymous No.151191307 [Report]
>>151184942
He was taught in America and moved to Japan.
Anonymous No.151191327 [Report]
why do current year western cartoons look like this? looks like we have no choice but to watch the superior Japanese cartoons, am i right filthy gaiji- i mean fellow westerners?
Anonymous No.151191346 [Report]
>>151191175
jej
Anonymous No.151191372 [Report] >>151191570
>>151191065
No u
Anonymous No.151191504 [Report] >>151191587
>>151190077
Most IZ characters are kind of attractive in an early 2000s way. I know you are too young to remember but old forum and websites were filled with people (mostly girls) obsessed with Zim, Gir, Dib, Gaz, Tak and The Tallest. The idea that Zim is ugly like Ren & Stimpy is stupid.
Anonymous No.151191570 [Report] >>151191578
>>151191372
Eat my hairy ass.
Anonymous No.151191578 [Report] >>151191600
>>151191570
Nah
Anonymous No.151191587 [Report]
>>151191504
Is Dib supposed to be ugly in-universe aside from his head's dimension?
Anonymous No.151191589 [Report] >>151194676
>>151183663 (OP)
No, it doesn't.
>>151184398
>>151185029
Not the case.
>>151184503
Other way around.
Anonymous No.151191600 [Report] >>151191625
>>151191578
Yes
Anonymous No.151191607 [Report]
>>151183663 (OP)
>The D- from that early episode where Bart actually tries to do good on a test on the fridge
That's neat
Anonymous No.151191625 [Report] >>151191677 >>151191826
>>151191600
Invader Zim is ugly and there's nothing you say that will change that fact
Anonymous No.151191677 [Report]
>>151191625
Tell that to all the girls and fags who considered Zim and Dib sex icons
Anonymous No.151191803 [Report]
>>151190686
That guy is right, you're kinda just hand waving the real problem, especially since this thread has actual examples of institutes being the literal opposite of "just about money" if anything one of them is a rich person dumping money so they can spread the propaganda harder.
>>151190055
>>151190337
For example.
Anonymous No.151191823 [Report] >>151191837
>>151191175
You are literally /co/ping and seething like a /co/cksucker right now.
Anonymous No.151191826 [Report] >>151199646
>>151191625
The style is good, you mongoloid faggot.
Anonymous No.151191837 [Report]
>>151191823
Kys, schizofaggot
Anonymous No.151191962 [Report] >>151191989 >>151192276
>>151191175
>that image
...so they should just make decent animated shows that are neither faux-anime nor not-Family guy? isn't that valid?
Anonymous No.151191989 [Report]
>>151191962
Yeah.
Anonymous No.151192021 [Report] >>151192141
>>151184398
>>151184398
Anonymous No.151192050 [Report] >>151192203
Anonymous No.151192067 [Report] >>151192203
Anonymous No.151192141 [Report]
>>151192021
>posting the shitty season of pokemon
At least you tried
Anonymous No.151192188 [Report]
>>151183663 (OP)
All of the modern western animation styles and practices you don’t like were made by leftists or progressives or managerial bureaucrats.
Anonymous No.151192203 [Report]
>>151192050
LOL, they re-wrote and race-swapped and changed the fuck out of Invincible from the comic. Sure, they kept a lot of good action, but the biggest sin being the fucking big tiddied bug aliens and BOY did they pull back to make them anything BUT that. And they pulled back on a lot of the sexuality aimed for men. Also, fuck Seth Rogan, can't stand his guttural laugh and his one-trick pony humor and comedy. His only rise to fame was nepotism and being a B-tier 90's stoner weed-obsessed actor.
On top of that, Invincible is a big outlier for capeshit, and they couldn't keep their hands off of fucking with that either. But Invincible comic is kino.
>>151192067
It's meh. Shame they took Ryoko as a big reference source and did nothing with it other than visuals and a rough homage to the original voice and then just made faux-Harry Potter with the series.
Anonymous No.151192212 [Report] >>151192253
cherry picking skills > drawing skills
Anonymous No.151192253 [Report] >>151192319
>>151192212
Sorry the truth got pointed out, faggot.
Anonymous No.151192276 [Report]
>>151191962
Yes, and the example is neither of those. Guess how much this board cared.
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Anonymous No.151192319 [Report] >>151192433
>>151192253
i mean it's alright it's a choice after all
i can understand westoids prefer that way
Anonymous No.151192423 [Report] >>151192520
Why do recent western cartoons look like this? We must all hail to the superior japanese cartoons, there is no other choice.
Anonymous No.151192433 [Report]
>>151192319
Shut it
Anonymous No.151192467 [Report] >>151192520
Look at all the beanmouths in this. There is no other choice, we must suck the peepees of the superior nippons, westoid bros.
Anonymous No.151192472 [Report]
Anonymous No.151192520 [Report]
>>151192423
>>151192467
>It's almost like quality and storytelling flourishes when not made by deranged leftists
Anonymous No.151192548 [Report] >>151194613
Look at this disgusting western animation. We must worship the superior Japanese and let the western industry die, there is no other way.
Anonymous No.151192640 [Report]
i'm not even really being sarcastic
japs are the ones being irrational, because what's even the point of training hard to be a skilled animator in the first world in 2025 when you can't even be rich by that?
that's actually pretty insane
Anonymous No.151192792 [Report]
Look at this bland Family Guy tier animation. Why can't westerners be as creative as glorious nippons? It should have a moe schoolgirl saying "uguu" at the minimum.
Anonymous No.151194012 [Report] >>151194632
Anime won
Anonymous No.151194613 [Report] >>151194670 >>151194683
>>151192548
This
without irony
Anonymous No.151194632 [Report] >>151194683
>>151194012
Yes
Anonymous No.151194666 [Report]
>>151184081
Too bad anime isn't animated and every episode is a glorified slideshow.
Anonymous No.151194670 [Report]
>>151194613
Stfu
Anonymous No.151194676 [Report] >>151194703
>>151191589
/co/pe harder
faggot
Anonymous No.151194683 [Report] >>151194718
>>151194613
>>151194632
>1 minute apart
>filename
Samefag
Anonymous No.151194703 [Report] >>151194729
>>151194676
Anonymous No.151194718 [Report] >>151194729
>>151194683
Thats right
Anonymous No.151194729 [Report]
>>151194703
>>151194718
Anonymous No.151196009 [Report] >>151196037
Anonymous No.151196037 [Report] >>151196050
>>151196009
Homo
Anonymous No.151196050 [Report] >>151196310
>>151196037
J/a/pan won
/a/ won
/co/cksuckers lost
Anonymous No.151196310 [Report]
>>151196050
No.

Japan lost.
/a/ lost.
/co/ still lost.

So it's a draw.
Anonymous No.151197085 [Report]
>>151185062
I mean do you have a better explanation for every single mature audience animated series in the mainstream trying to shill itself as anime for the last decade.
Anonymous No.151197840 [Report]
>>151184857
That art screams "Wizards Of The Coast". I know they're desperate, but when did they get into Redwall-esque stuff?
Anonymous No.151197952 [Report] >>151199259
>>151183663 (OP)
>My yummy gooner weeb art can beat your stupid america art!

>AIEEEEE! Save us Mickey-sama so that we may ape your art style yet again!
Anonymous No.151197995 [Report]
>>151184857
Rob Zombie's music AND movies suck ass.
Anonymous No.151198031 [Report] >>151198198
>>151185064
It's pretty bad when furries living in trailers are teaching themselves to draw and animate better than people who go to college for art.
Anonymous No.151198198 [Report]
>>151198031
KEK, ain't that the truth.
Anonymous No.151199259 [Report]
>>151197952
Bugs, not Mickey.
Anonymous No.151199286 [Report] >>151199307
>>151183663 (OP)

Anime is highly satanic because it prommotes pedophilia and the false shinto religion
Anonymous No.151199307 [Report]
>>151199286
You should get brutally beaten to an inch of your pathetic life.
Anonymous No.151199366 [Report]
>>151183663 (OP)
The truth is that 3d animation killed western animation and new art styles, fucking in my tenure in various art schools, all the artists that draw like right related where treated like dogshit by art professors, they bitch and say, "You need to learn how to use this shitty Maya program and learn 3d animation because that's all studios want to get a fucking job" so all the creative people worth shit either drop out or go to a different space while the dead brain 3d animators get their peice of paper to work, and newsflash, most 3d animators are the uncreative, by the number, boring fucking artists imaginable. Art school isn't meant to teach you art or learn different theories, it meant to get you to do what companies want and the creative that once drove the industry are now over taken by glorified techie bros 3d animators that played the latest triple A slop game and think, "Im going to model the same shit over and over again" I fucking hate this shit.
Anonymous No.151199418 [Report] >>151199422
>>151183684
americans can't draw because they aren't allowed to have any free time to learn to. their parents force them to get a job at 14 and then kick them out at 18 and immediately spend all their savings on shit like golf carts and second homes.
Anonymous No.151199422 [Report] >>151199835
>>151199418
That sucks.
Anonymous No.151199646 [Report] >>151199686 >>151199835
>>151191826
Shit taste, nostalgia-blinded faggot
Anonymous No.151199686 [Report] >>151199733 >>151199835
>>151199646
You have, go watch beanshit
Anonymous No.151199733 [Report] >>151199739 >>151199835
>>151199686
I'd rather watch superior animu
/a/ won
/co/ lost
simple as
Anonymous No.151199739 [Report] >>151199780 >>151199835
>>151199733
Stop being a retarded faggot
Anonymous No.151199780 [Report] >>151199789 >>151199835
>>151199739
Seethe lil nigga
Anonymous No.151199789 [Report] >>151199835
>>151199780
>Seethe lil nigga
That’s what you are doing
>picrel
You wish, Jamarcus.
Anonymous No.151199801 [Report] >>151199822 >>151199835
What artists inspired you whenever you drew, Anons? Call me cliche, but I loved Norman Rockwell. The way he drew and painted colors, scenes and people were always so lively, full of energy. My other favorite was Zdzisław Beksiński, his paintings were weird mirrors to my dreams.1
Anonymous No.151199822 [Report]
>>151199801
>What artists inspired you whenever you drew, Anons?
Ishida Sui, hands down.
Anonymous No.151199835 [Report] >>151199848
>>151199422
>>151199646
>>151199686
>>151199733
>>151199739
>>151199780
>>151199789
>>151199801
What is up with all the weird shitposting that pops up, it's the same shitters too in other threads I've noticed. Like damn is the quality of 4chan threads and boards fucking abysmal.
Anonymous No.151199848 [Report] >>151199859
>>151199835
Look man, reading this thread made me depressed so I want to talk about the western artists that are actually good, y'know?
Anonymous No.151199858 [Report]
>>151184019
>Pays attention to the elf and deers
>Notices the rabbits
Wow look at em go lmao
Anonymous No.151199859 [Report] >>151199875
>>151199848
The thread is actually pretty productive with some high points compared to others, and your subject matter more falls into /ic/ territory than it does /co/ if you wanna start talking about American painters and traditional art. I think the consensus of the flow of topics of the thread has been pretty well established and it's coming to the logical roadblocks it always does of, "what's to be done about a depressed and/or dead/dying industry" that isn't just replies of hopes for "indie animation" to revive it and create a pseudo-alt-industry.
Anonymous No.151199875 [Report] >>151200162
>>151199859
You're right, perhaps I misread the topic at hand. Moving back to it.
The only way I feel our animation industry could be improved would be to create our own system, perhaps. If the original movie directors fled Eddison so they could make movies, maybe we could do the same for animation. Get people out of that damaging and horrible environment, and give them someplace to nurture their animation spirit without fear of The Message, Beanmouth, or therapy slop.
Anonymous No.151200162 [Report]
>>151199875
We shall enforce an art tax onto the plebs to finance it too