Thread 11217461

Specifically femboys that look like early transitioners or estroginized. Femboys are at their hottest when they got small boobs.

>previous thread
https://desuarchive.org/d/thread/11147241/#11147241

>To add
Let's try to actually post porn please. Long discussions are a given with threads like these so if you're gonna post some text, at least post a picture related to the thread as well.

>Question of the day
Today's about dick size. For bottoms, are you okay with having a top be smaller than you? Also what's your preferred size and what's your cutoff for "too small" (assuming you have one)?

For tops, are you happy with your current dick size? If no, have you ever considered things like jelqing?

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Oh, a new thread.
>>11151842 was hottest for me last thread. Fantasizing on a resonance frequency kink when you shouldn't definitely definitely takes over the brain much more than even "dedicated" fantasies can, and often (perhaps because) it can pop up unannounced/unexpected and get really distracting. I was surprised dusting off old bits of writing by how feminisation half sprung-upon the main character still held my attention and made me want to add to it.

>>11217461 (OP)
Best I can tell anal is like, 90% mental, so dick size is completely subordinate to having a good rapport and scene. Too small is anything that looks stupid.

>>11217461 (OP)
>tfw bottom but prefer pussies
I'd like my own dick to be smaller, having a bigger than average one is a bit of a hassle ngl

>>11217711
How big are you anon?

>>11217711
7,5
Not exactly super big, but it sure makes tucking and wearing cute clothes/lingerie noticeably more tricky.

>>11217977
Meant for this anon >>11217914

>>11217977
>>11217986
>7.5
It sucks that fems are just naturally big like that. I started at 6 inches and had to jelq my way up to 8. Shit's not fair.

>>11217529
>Too small is anything that looks stupid.
What exactly looks stupid for you?

>>11218675
Anything smaller than looks proportionate on an adult/teen. I don't understand emasculation.

>>11217977
>Not exactly super big
girl, that's huuuge

>>11217461 (OP)
Guess the QOTD wasn't connecting to people. Feels like this thread is only active when people are having arguments.

>>11229667
2n5 art is finite and we've seen it a hundred times already

>>11232419
Fair. This thread was more so to find more art of hrtittied femboys. Guess art of that kind is more finite than I thought.

>>11232642
Posted the same image twice. My bad

Seeing how this is the hrt femboy thread, I'll ask this question here.

One of my favorite tropes is when a guy is voluntary feminizing themselves, but is pretending like he doesn't like it or he's only doing it for a utilitarian reason. Does this trope have a name?

>>11233083
Picrel

>>11233083
I wish that was more common. The few pieces of art that has femboys with boobs are usually forced feminization which I'm not too much of a fan of. But I tolerate it.

>>11233083
that's just transmaxxing with extra mental hoops lol

>>11233083
I'd call it "the femboy pipeline", but that's just me. If I could boymode like this >>11233304 I'd be in heaven.


Speaking of which, at what cup size would you consider a guy having moobs? I did a measurement of my bust and I got B-cups, but it's mostly fat and pecs - no tissue. I've been using Purea Mirifica cream for my butt for fat gains, but since I heard it also works for the bust I split my usage. So far I'm liking the results on both ends (it mostly affects texture, no inches gained yet) but it's the best lead I got so I don't want to give it up just yet. If I do gain some sizable mass I'll be sure to share results.

>>11233315
Isn't that like the whole point of this thread? To show femboys trooning in a more reasonable way that isn't just flat out futa?

>>11233467
Why not just take estrogen?

>>11233526
Because I tried bovine ovaries and pm supplements and the pain in my dick and balls was too great to bear (plus I want kids and like pregnancy). No insurance also complicates things as I don't have a stable job, and I can't bottom because I feel nothing in my prostate. Much easier to top, and if I'm getting shitdick it better be for a good reason.

Guy that likes femininity =/= tgirl, apparently.

>>11233573
Okay but using Purea Mirifica cream is one hell of a cope. Why not just exercise at that point?

>>11233934
Sure, if your goal is to breastmaxx and buttmaxx you will eventually have to bench for an extra cup or do some squats for an extra inch or two on the hips. However, you will get past the noob gains stage of bodybuilding and it will get exponentially harder to build muscle, not productive if you have hobbies outside of bodybuilding.

The idea behind using pm cream was from the bottom heavy boys thread using this graph. There was a volufilline discussion but the data shows that pm is much better for this. Unlike the supplements that go straight for the T, the cream doesn't affect T levels so you can still get hard without tgel. I think the limitation is that it only affects the fat cells near the top of the skin, so gains will slow down once the cream can't penetrate any further and only affect the top cells.

>>11234149
Well if your goal isn't to look good but instead is to just have boobs to play with then by all mean go for it. I've been in threads with people who try all sorts of things to try and get femboy results without estrogen. I've seen things like aa mono, raloxifene, creams, suction devices, etc. When you actually see them though, they just look like normal dudes. Not even at least feminine ones.
>that's a bit of a lie, I did see one person with good results from aa mono and another with raloxifene but they were very young and probably had pretty good genetics.

So keep looking at graphs and data sheets if it helps with the cope I guess.

>>11234272
Bruh, I'm not going to give up my penis, I already told you why. The only possible way to pull off being a passing tgirl with healthy sperm for kids requires a six figure income and a perfect routine, just one fuckup will ruin everything unless somebody learns digital immortality or cloning sexual organs of the opposite sex. Besides, I'm already a 30yo boomer, so if I could be a busty (fem)boy instead by recomposing my fat deposits and fixing my jaw and hair, sounds far more plausible than something I never had a chance in the first place.

>>11234429
>30
>trying to be fem in general
Jesus anon...

>>11234429
The defeatism is strong with this one.
>I never had a chance in the first place.\
Not with your attitude that's for sure

>>11234448
Nothing wrong with that.

>>11234448
Some people get lucky with their genetics. I've seen quite a few post-30 trannies who pulled out impressive transitions.

>>11221042
some people say anime characters have no proper recognizable designs, but i could tell this was kurapika without having opened the pic yet. probably because of the hair.
wonder if this is exclusive only to the most popular ones.

>>11234462
>i could tell this was kurapika without having opened the pic yet
Probably because of the haircut, it isn't very popular these days, makes Kurapika's design from the late 90s instantly recognizable + the "feminine boy" theme of this thread

byebyefr0g is really good at this

>>11234456
>trannies
That anon not only is a cis dude, but is also probably not fem in the slightest. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of guys who are fem in there 30's but those are incredibly rare and are an unrealistic goal due to some of them having good genetics, tons of work done, taking estrogen behind the scene, or some combination of the three.

>>11217461 (OP)
>>Question of the day
>For bottoms
Generally, I prefer smaller ones to larger ones anyways. It's not that I actively dislike big ones, and sometimes a big one hits just right, but usually, I prefer small to average ones. While I'm being picky, smaller, and uncut are preferred. I'm not gonna rule out a partner 'cuz of their dick though.
However, from the perspective of bottoming, being smaller than me would be a problem, if only because
>For tops
Mine is just on the verge of being too small to be usable. I don't have the leverage and rigidity to top for anal, or be especially enjoyable for vaginal if you don't have a small penis kink or something, and I outright can't reach for anal if that ass is phat enough. I personally don't mind this as like, a self image thing, I actually like it and think it's kinda cute, and I don't mind using a strap on, but it would be nice to be able to actually use it a bit, now and then, even if only because it IS pretty fun to do a little cock bullying.

I don't have an intrinsic problem with a top being smaller than me, it's just entirely a practical one, 'cuz any smaller than I am means it's not gonna do much. If they know the cheat code to make it work, though, by all means. They'd otherwise better be willing to use toys and straps, and while I'll happily suck it, that's more like me topping than bottoming. In my mind.

is hrt with the goal of becoming a femboy a fool's errand?

>>11236036
HRT / estrogen is a powerful drug that can be dangerous if administered without the endocrinologist's supervision so make of that what you will.
Me, I wouldn't do it purely for the fetish and suffer any potential side-effects.

>>11236036
Not really. Honestly it's the first step in the right direction but it's not the only thing you need to do. It's like eating healthy if you wanna be buff. Sure you gotta eat right but there's still exercise.
>>11236151
Why do you guys make it sound like taking estrogen is like rocket science. Most of the unintended bad stuff I've seen that comes from estrogen are usually when femboys try to modify their dosages to minimize boobs (aa only, raloxifene, extremely high dose injections, etc) the worst effects from those that I've seen (heard from people who tried) are as follows:

>minimal feminization
>uneven boobs
>osteoporosis
>seizures

All of these effects happened because a femboy try to get the benefits of hrt without the boob growth. Boobs are hot on femboys but if you really don't want them then save for top surgery. There's this Asian femboy that did just that and it turned out not too bad. But for the most part just don't be an idiot. Either listen to your endo or if you don't wanna be hon-dosed then ask /hrtgen/ on /lgbt/, look at the website instructions if you're DIY'ing, or a simple google search. You kinda have to actually "try" to make hrt dangerous.

>>11236451
>There's this Asian femboy
Name?

>>11236694
I don't remember but I'll try to look for him. He basically used hrt, had top surgery, and got ffs. He looks a little too doll-like but he does pass.

>>11236451
Is ralo that bad? I was thinking of using that, estradiol, and bica for minimal/no chest growth

>>11217461 (OP)
QOTD

When I'm searching I explicitly say I want at least 7. It's rare to get higher than that, but I won't say no to like 5.5 if I'm super horny and he's hot. I've worked myself over enough (safely) to be able to take larger, and I have, but it's made me undertake some dangerous actions since it gets me slutty. Size matters. I can't throat much over 7 though.

And to the folks out there feeling bad/old, I'm just a CD. I knew I wasn't a "man" when I was a kid but transitioning wasn't an option for me, and I ended up building a life I didn't want to abandon. Now my kids are grown and out, I'm in my late 40's and divorced, but I'm in decent enough shape with the right thighs and butt to bring in a decent fuck once a week. I just go bare bottom with a hoodie and thigh highs and fake breasts or wear a mask or something. Hasn't turned anyone off yet. Dick is easy to get. Flattering clothing is easy to buy. Just be safe, eat right, be safe, exercise often, be safe, be safe, and be safe.

>>11236886
Again, people's results varies. For some I've seen it work, for others it did jack shit, and for a few they got serious side effects like seizures. Honestly it's probably just based on genetics. If you have big boob genes, you're gonna get boobs and vice versa. There's also the fact that we don't see these users on a day-to-day. We don't know how their lives are affected from this. Raloxifene was made for guys using steroids who got minimal gyno, not trannies. Just accept the boobs and move on.

>>11237032
I mean, it's good you had a wife and managed to raise kids and all but jesus anon, never expected a CD man in his 40's to be in this thread. You ever wish you transitioned sometimes?

I want the bare minimum of this, really I want to combine the features of this thread with that of the ambush thread and achieve like some kind of male milf/housewife aesthetic. I've already got a pretty nice butt but I just want to make myself a little more like a male bitch

>>11217461 (OP)
>Question of the day
All bottoms should be caged, then you don't have to worry about who is and isn't bigger.

>>11239305
I want to just present as "fuckable" ultimately

>>11239305
flat chastity cages are so ugly. Artists need to end that fad.

>>11239305
>I want to combine the features of this thread with that of the ambush thread

So essentially you wanna be zelonguinho on Instagram but on estrogen? Based.

>>11239439
Chastity cages in trans adjacent content are cringe in general, I prefer that cocklet to dangle helplessly, it looks (and feels) way hotter.

>>11239676
I used to think the same thing for a long time but that was only because I'd only see gross old "sissies" and mid trannies with a BNWO fetish use them. But after seeing some genuine attractive trannies use them I think I've changed my mind on them. It's a bit of a fashion thing.

>>11239753
>It's a bit of a fashion thing.
This. It's a cute, feminine accessory. But they should have a natural feminine curve and demure aesthetics, not something that looks like the nozzle of a salt shaker.

>>11239305
>I want to combine the features of this thread with that of the ambush thread and achieve like some kind of male milf/housewife aesthetic.
I wanna do the same thing basically. Have you made any steps towards it yet?

>>11240567
Is there a reason why you don't wanna try estrogen anon?

>>11240683
Not him, but I don't wanna fuck with my hormones, that shit is too risky to do it for a fetish I might get bored with in a few years. Then again, I don't take any questionable supplements too.

>>11240769
It depends on the life style but if you're a gnc gay person, it doesn't really change things. The only real deciding factor is if you're someone like >>11237032 who actually wanted children.

>>11239439
I like cages, but if they're larger they're unappealing to me. Part of the reason I like it is so that it can't be used NOR get hard, so they're absolutely a bottom. Cages that are long or obviously don't prevent erection are pointless.

>>11240911
Wanting more androgynous body but also wanting to have children in the future (without artificial insemination) AND on top of it being asexual and heteroromantic is suffering...

>>11241102
>AND on top of it being asexual and heteroromantic is suffering...
How the fuck does being asexual and heteromantic work?

>>11241110
I experience platonic love and a need to care for someone. I don't want/need to have sex but I can do it for the person I love to bring them joy.

>>11241245
Such a selfless, considerate person you are. I hope you live up to your dream!

>>11241245
Never understand the whole being asexual thing desu. Like, you'll see the hottest thing known to man and you'll go, "meh"? How does that make sense.

>>11242403
I can appreciate what others find "hot" for the aesthetic, but I don't get aroused. I can understand the qualities that make something "hot" and extrapolate it on other things to tell if they will be "hot" to others, but they still won't do anything sexual for me.

>>11242871
Maybe just shit taste idk. Still find it hard to believe. Like have you ever had sex with anybody?

>>11243679
Dicks shrinking from HRT is the hottest shit ever

>>11243732
Never been with someone pre and post hrt. Does that actually happen?

>>11243799
>Does that actually happen?
Yes, but the extent to which it happens differs from person to person.

>>11240683
I don't see myself as female and eventually I would "retire" from this kind of thing.

I just want to get rid of my facial hair. Then I'd be unstoppable.

>>11244049
Electrolysis.

>>11244059
Can this be done cheaply?

>>11244063
Define cheaply. It costs 65 euros to do where I live once every month or two (depending on your sensitivity)

>>11244099
Less than 80 dollars at least. Kinda a pain it has to be done routinely somewhere. Be nice if it could be DIY.

What are these supplements that induce lactation you speak of?

>>11243679
>Like have you ever had sex with anybody?
Yes, I had 6 female partners and 3 male ones. Tried both topping and bottoming, for both sexes.

>>11244372
NTA, you can have a low sex drive or just be not interested, that's fine.
What I'm wondering is that, given that, why you're in a fetish fap thread?

>>11244627
Because of the androgynous aesthetic. Some of the pics are really pretty.

>>11244779
Why not just transition and go through insemination anyways? Most people who usually go for natural fertilization because they like the process of having sex for impregnation. As you said, you don't really care for that. It kinda sounds like you wanna conform to societal norms which isn't bad on its own but you got to consider that not only are you ace but you wanna be androgynous too. I'm not saying you gotta be those flammer fag parents conservatives bring up as reasons why fags gotta be killed but you can still go through insemination and not be seen as weird. Plenty of regular people go through that as is for plenty of reason that aren't hormone related. My cousin recently had to go through that and he has a pretty normal life at least from an observer pov.

>>11244830
I can't find any issues with your arguements and yet artificial insemination still for some unknown reason doesn't sit right with me. Please excuse me while I need to analyze myself.

>>11244101
I remember there once was a thread on /tttt/ linking to a blog post about the DIY contraption someone had used to do her own complete electrolysis@home. Sounded unpleasant and a bit dangerous but technically very plausible. If that doesn't scare you, you could try googling and/or asking around for it.

>>11246237
Probably a good way to turn yourself into a crispy skeleton if you're not careful. It's not easy being pretty.

How attainable would an ambush body be if I went on estrogen? I've got broad shoulders (sadly) but I like the idea of looking that way. I've also already got big legs.

>>11248103
One thing people need to understand is that estrogen is more of a supplement than a magic potion. It does help for sure depending on your body specs, but it's far from being the main ingredient; you actually need to work for your dream body.
>broad shoulders
this one can be a deal breaker, but you could try to reduce the hip to shoulder ratio

>>11248114
I know it's not magic, I didn't mean in that way. I already do lower body exercises and have a skin care routine. Yeah, having broad shoulders sucks. Any ideas or tips?

>>11248103
>>11248128
>really wish there was a hairless version of this
Essentially what >>11248114 said. Her enhances feminine appearance. Outside of estrogen you're gonna wanna try and work on that sholder/hip ratio. You're gonna wanna waist train a lot while at the same time try to bulk. How much lower body fat you gain is dependent on genetics but you can still gain a decent amount of size by weight cycling.
>TL;DR
Estrogen
Lower body exercises
Waist training
Weight cycling

>>11248142
Alright thanks, I appreciate it. I'll do my best

>>11239614
zelonguinho is also on estrogen now (came out as trans woman recently)

>>11248195
>mfw he did a facial feminization a short while back
I don't really see what's changed, his face was already fairly feminine and only needed a bit of make up to looks passable

>>11248195
Really when? I follow them and never noticed.
>>11248213
I guess he's just future proofing himself. Plenty of people pass without anything but end up getting more masculine over time.

>>11248142
elaborate more on waist training? like what are some good resources for males trying to get a more female-looking waist assuming you've already maxed out on healthy weight loss

>>11248366
>Really when? I follow them and never noticed.
Announced it in january
https://www.instagram.com/zelonguinho/reel/DE8I6qPRb0Q/

>>11248897
Translation? I saw this but i don't speak his language.

>>11249994
It's pure superficial temporary fixes. Doesn't actually help you lose weight any faster.

>>11249994
>>11250182
Yea it doesn’t move your fat it moves your organs. It’s dangerous to go more that a few inches of a cinch. Once and a while you can get away with a more dramatic one but give your organs a break and let them fall back into place and get blood flow


It’s all fun and games till you feel an organ move inside of you. You don’t feel the organ itself you feel it through the lining of your torso, like a lump of meat moving inside you.

I just went on hrt and lost weight, that’s how my waist actually got snatched. Since testosterone levels cause more accumulation of stomach/torso visceral and subcutaneous fat. Then ofc it’s still genetics, my mom and I get more pear shape after 22% but a lot more than I like goes to my stomach vs my ass but atleast enough goes to hips to look okay.

Anyone know the artist?

>>11250182
I didn't say it had anything to do with weight loss, but you will notice a difference in the shape of your waist after using a waist trainer for a bit. Sure, it is a temporary and rather superficial effect, but it's pretty easy to do... and if you like the slimmer shape better, there you go.

>>11250215
Yeah, going that far is indeed insane. As >>11250570 suggests, modern waist trainers don't go that far; it's much gentler pressure than a tightlaced Victorian corset. That also means a lot less dramatic results, but squeezing your fat in a little bit during the day won't hurt anything.

>>11250373
https://x.com/tky82737408

Trynna do this with somebody

>>11250600
For some reason my original post was deleted because apparently picturd art is "too western". Dumbass rule.

>>11250215
You're thinking of the extreme corset. A normal waist trainer is actually perfectly healthy. Waist trainers aren't corsets.
>>11250182
It's already known that it won't help you lose weight.

>>11250182
>>11250215
>also reposting who these anon were responding to


>waist training
NTA, but think corsets, anon. They come in a range of styles, from stereotypically girly traditional corsets, to more utilitarian waist trainers meant to be worn by male athletes.

In my experience, they do work. You will of course notice a difference immediately while wearing a waist trainer, but you also ought to notice a modest change after a couple weeks of regular wear, just from it getting easier for your body to put fat elsewhere. That said, absent any other major change in your lifestyle (diet, exercise level, hormones), that fat can easily go right back on pretty quickly, so the effects are pretty modest and gradual.

Try it out if you're interested. Don't expect a miracle, but if you're also doing other things to look more femme, it should help.

is it worth it to transition if i only want to have fem features and look younger. I'm not even trans desu but i like the benifits. and also dont mind moobs

>>11257443
>is it worth it to transition
>I'm not even trans
You've already answered your question.

>>11257443
I honestly don't see why it's bad to use hrt for cosmetics. Just go for it. People will say your coping but at worst you're coping and at best you're a troon.

>>11257443
As long as you're aware of and ready to handle the other things that come with it, it's really not that big of a decision.

>>11257443
If you're straight and want kids I would say no unless you're ready to freeze sperm and put up with the difficulty of finding a woman who'll be into the idea of raising kids with you. If you're 100% into men or trannies and not womb-having women the opportunity cost is lower, and you while you lose out on the potential to get fucked by gay pederasts you still have the bi ones if that's your thing.

>>11258345
>If you're straight
I have a feeling 99% of people coming to these threads aren't exactly straight

>>11258525
True but some people here still want kids. Personally I don't think anybody with fem intention should have kids but you do get people like >>11237032 who managed somehow. I'm personally a bit bias because I feel as if a kid should never find their father doing fag stuff but if you can manage to hide it then go for it. But if you have no intentions on having bio kids and like being female in any way then there's really no reason why you wouldn't take estrogen

>>11258525
Well sure, but it's very common in online femboy/trans communities to be primarily gynephilic and not really into any men who are more masculine than an early 20s twink. I don't really have any moral opposition, and if it's something you really truly desire then repressing it will likely turn out poorly anyway, but it's just an unfortunate fact there are probably fewer women open to dating an estrogenated boy then men.

>>11259205
>but it's just an unfortunate fact there are probably fewer women open to dating an estrogenated boy then men.
I mean, in my experience there's plenty of both. I have no idea the actual demographics of this, but, I'd make a wild guess that there's enough demand from either to soak up nearly all the supply, and that's before considering the estrogen takers soaking up eachother. I know more men and women each who are open to the idea than I know people taking estrogen, at any rate.
If anything, my wild, baseless guess based on the small, probably skewed sample of people I know and have interacted with, is that the number of men and women seriously into dating and/or marrying one is about equal, there's just an additional layer on top of that consisting of people who would fuck one, but not consider a relationship with one, and THAT layer has more men in it than women. But, fuck if I know, I guess.

>>11259655
I can see where you're coming from. I've only ever considered myself androphilic don't really know any women close enough to talk about fucking/loving trannies, but I have known a lot of guys and gotten the impression that a *lot* of them would be into trans women, estrogenated boys or even a sufficiently petite twink if it didn't carry the stigma of being gay and didn't preclude them from having a wife to bear the kids. Essentially a similar kind of arrangement that you had in ancient Greece/Rome as well a lot of other cultural contexts where homosexuality was tolerated. Don't quote me on this but the number I've seen based on anthropological studies is that in the absence of stigma about 15% of men would be functionally bisexual, but only pursuing effeminate/submissive men.

But I really don't know how that applies to women at all lol. Fujoshis are a thing that also crop up across cultures, but that doesn't necessarily map onto what they desire sexually for themselves.

What are foods high in estrogen? Any that compliment them?

>>11261513
Onions products are known for their high estrogen but no amount of eating, short of crushing up pills as seasoning, will have any real effect.

What the fuck is happening

>>11261530
Darn.

>>11261530
plants don't have estrogen, they have phytoestrogens which look quite different than human estrogen. Even a small difference of 1 bond is enough to change testosterone to estradiol. Phytoestrogens have multiple bond changes so they differ quite a lot from human hormones.

>>11261538
They do still have some effect, but not a meaningfully substantial one

also each plant has different kinds of phytoestrogens, and they act in a different way due to their shape. In chemistry shape = function. If you have just a small difference (1 bond) you can do completely different things like with testosterone vs beta-estradiol.

>>11261513
You know food isn't a good source of estrogen right?
>>11261538
>>11261544
If you're gonna post SFW stuff at least post a link to it instead.

>>11261531
These anons discussing about questions and explanations to ponder about the effects of hormones!

>>11261935
Maybe it should!

>>11233083
>when a guy is voluntary feminizing themselves, but is pretending like he doesn't like it or he's only doing it for a utilitarian reason
No idea about a name but literally my life

>>11262352
Has it worked out?

>>11262043
>Maybe it should!
Maybe what should?

>>11263118
Maybe food SHOULD be a good source of estrogen! Obviously!

>>11263119
Okay but they're not. Not much that can be done about that

>>11263570
Get Bill Gates on it!

>>11233083
"Cuckservatives", in general term, not political term.

>>11264066
I've literally never head of this and that search brings up nothing

>>11236886
There's no "perfect" solution, but prog+raloxifene has worked great for me, my ass is way fatter now with no breast growth. Do not take estradiol unless you want to be a woman. If you want a femboy face I've heard cypro+ralo+bica works, only reason i didn't try it is because i couldn't get cypro. Might try it someday. Do not take estradiol unless you want to be a woman(x2).

>>11266138
How's libido/dick function? And what was the timeline on getting a fatter ass? I'm pretty interested in prog but a little intimidated by the possibility of accelerated breast growth or DHT conversion.

>If you want a femboy face I've heard cypro+ralo+bica works,
That would nuke your T for sure but face is pretty much up to good presentation and having androgynous bone structure. Hormones are only going to have a subtle effect on it via fat redistribution/skin texture especially if you start after puberty.

>>11266138
>a woman(x2)
what this mean?

>>11263570
Link to the rest?

>>11266138
Is it safe to take an anti androgen without estrogen? Has prog+ralo done anything other than give you a fat ass?

>>11267620
It isn't, please for the love of God don't do this. It's not maintainable in the long term and you really don't get that much feminization. The only people who I've personally seen that actually benefitted from that are femboys that were already fem (due to their age). It's also way more dangerous. Most if the negative side affects "cis" femboy accuse hrt of haven happen with aa-mono.

>>11266551
>How's libido/dick function?
Perfectly fine, if anything I'm more horny on prog because I'm a huge bottom and it makes my prostate more sensitive.
>And what was the timeline on getting a fatter ass?
Months, not sure how many. I also coupled it with a fitness plan of cutting very hard, then fattening up with lots of dairy and fats to get subcutaneous fat while I was on Prog.
>but a little intimidated by the possibility of accelerated breast growth or DHT conversion.
All I can say is prog+ralo has given me no breast growth compared to estradiol, which for the sake of honesty(and being thread relevant), i did take for a very short while and grew tiny buds(basically not even noticeable). Prog's breast growth is different from estrogen's, and transfem are actually discouraged from taking it early because it (supposedly) locks in your breasts to being their current size(or just slightly larger) forever.
If you're a fem and worried about DHT, you should probably be taking fin anyways, although i cant help you there since nobody in my family has ever lost their hair.

>That would nuke your T for sure but face is pretty much up to good presentation and having androgynous bone structure. Hormones are only going to have a subtle effect on it via fat redistribution/skin texture especially if you start after puberty
This is all correct, but don't underestimate how much of a difference those subtle effects can make. I'm not even on T suppression or estrogen but people have commented on how young/ fem i look now(they don't know I'm on hormones or trying to look this way, so they're not just being nice). Probably the main thing to look for in T suppression though is preventing any further masculinization. Men sometimes go through a second, milder puberty in their late 20's.

>>11267620
>Is it safe to take an anti androgen without estrogen?
Absolutely not, unless you're taking something like raloxifene or an osteoporosis medication. Even then, it's important to remember there are still risks. Whether or not it's worth it is up to you. It is for me, but I'm already somewhat fem and I just wanted to push myself as far as I could go while still being identifiably male.

>>11258525
I used to be straight before I started taking prog, somehow it shifted my preferences from 100/0 in women's favor to like 80/20, although the change is mostly on the "platonic" side of things. I've definitely become more open emotionally etc.
I've heard some anecdotal stories about transfems having their sexual orientation flipped by prog but honestly that sounds like a cope on their part.

>>11267772
>it makes my prostate more sensitive.
Are you boofing it or just taking it normally? That'd be a nice effect to have.

>>11267945
I think it can change your orientation over time but not like a full switch. I consider myself mostly gay leaning towards twinks/femboys, open to tgirls but not really any interest in cis, but I think it's made me way more into himbo type guys.

>>11267702
>>11267774
I figured, yeah. If I took estrogen and raloxifene, would that work? I like the effects of E, but don't really want breast growth. At least not big ones/too noticeable. I really like the fat distribution aspect. I want to be softer and fem.

>>11268147
>think it can change your orientation over time but not like a full switch.
nta but I agree it's a cope, I find it highly unlikely hrt is capable of bringing out something that was allegedly never there to begin with
I have an easier time believing hrt can remove your emotional inhibitions and make you more more honest with yourself when you're coming into your new gender role or some shit like that, basically help you come out of closet
there's also the matter of compulsory heterosexuality (everyone expects transfems to hook up with guys by default) and trans lesbians' image getting ruined by the balding honzillas on xitter and reddit (and real life desu)
>>11268216
>I like the effects of E, but don't really want breast growth
some kind of breast growth is unavoidable on hrt, sorry that's how it is, accept the boobs and move on

>>11268216
>If I took estrogen and raloxifene, would that work? I like the effects of E, but don't really want breast growth. At least not big ones/too noticeable.
Absolutely nothing. Raloxifene is already pretty weak and inconsistent when used with aa mono so using it with estrogen would be like trying to put out the sun with a water gun. Your best bet is to take regular HRT and accept the boobs. They're usually not that big anyways amd you learn to love them. Most people who hate boob growth only hate it because it tends to look uncanny with a masculine figure so that probably something you're gonna wanna fix.

Cardio, lower body lifting, waist training, and estrogen are gonna be your best friends. Or if you want a more twink look then just starve yourself or at the very least eat less. But you still have to move so don't just rot away in your room or on a desk. At least a jog every day or every other day.

>>11239439
>flat chastity cages are so ugly
they feel incredible tho

>>11268400
Can I ask, are you on hrt? Just curious. I guess I'll just accept the bobs. Any tips on how to hide them?
>>11268445
I'm glad they won't be big. I don't even hate the idea of having them anyway.

>>11268469
>Can I ask, are you on hrt?
yes
>Any tips on how to hide them?
well, the other anon is right, you likely won't end up with giant fun bags (although there's always a slim chance depending on your genetics) so they likely won't require much covering
in any case, baggy or slightly oversized clothes, or chest binders will do the trick but the latter isn't particularly healthy so don't overdo it

>>11268500
How long have you been on it? And have you seen much growth? Thanks for answering my questions by the way. It's pretty helpful.

>>11268969
>How long have you been on it? And have you seen much growth?
2 years, something between A and B cup. I'm a tranny though so I'm pretty happy about having noticeable boobs (lucked out on being short and small frame)

>>11268986
I like the CBT with this cute trans O.C

>>11268147
>Are you boofing it or just taking it normally? That'd be a nice effect to have.
I boof it, yeah.
>I think it can change your orientation over time but not like a full switch
It definitely made me more attracted to men, although I already was before.
>>11268216
>I like the effects of E, but don't really want breast growth.
Estradiol will give you boobs, flat-out, which is why i don't take it. If you really wanna take E, you just need to accept that you'll likely grow them. It's theoretically possible, but so unlikely you shouldn't bank on it. Personally I don't think E is necessary for a femboy look, but that depends a lot on how feminine you want to be. Supposedly there's another form of E called Estetrol that won't give you breast growth, but it seems difficult to acquire. The final, riskier option is to cycle E with raloxifene, which is probably a terrible Idea. Breast growth is actually partially reversible, and raloxifene would help with that, but you would need to stop taking E for that to happen. Afaik something like this hasn't been tested so what the side effects of cycling Estrogen would be, is anyone's guess. It's probably not very dangerous since Estradiol is just birth control which people often cycle anyways, but that's not being tested in men so who knows.

It's important to remember that partial or "femboy" transitions like this are basically completely untested, other than people like myself, and what works for me might work completely differently for someone else.

>>11270043
>although I already was before.
I think prog merely augments whatevr sexuality you already have, it's not like cis lesbians become attracted to guys just because they have prog in their bodies naturally.

>>11270043
>Personally I don't think E is necessary for a femboy look, but that depends a lot on how feminine you want to be
What do you do/take? As for me, I'd like to look pretty feminine. Or at least androgynous leaning fem

>>11270219

>>11266138
^this is me, the two options in this post seem like the most viable, although the results will take longer than E

>>11270219
>I'd like to look pretty feminine. Or at least androgynous leaning fem
Forgot to mention, to be mistaken for a girl you might need E. Depends entirely on your body/face.

How much does HRT cost on average?

>>11270332
Depends on your needs and goals.

Meds cost me somewhere from 100 to 150 euros per several months, I just buy them in batches. That's utterly affordable unless you're a NEET. Doctor appointments and tests can be somewhat pricey though, but manageable overall.

Shit like FFS, voice feminization and implants etc. will cost you a fortune unless they're covered by your insurance.

>>11270332
hrt from the medical system is fairly affordable, but local prices vary wildly and depend on insurance
on the other hand you can buy a vial online for about $100 that would last about 9 months

>>11270332
about $3.50

>>11273112
Goddamn Lochness Monsta

>>11267945
Prog can have some pretty intense effects, that are pretty unique to individuals, especially since estrogen itself can have effects. My gf has basically 0 sex drive whatsoever from estrogen, taking prog makes her nearly hypersexual.
For me, estrogen did basically nothing besides solidify my preference for vibrators over traditional masturbation, while being on prog slightly lowers my sex drive, but brings out my dom side, and makes me enjoy touching others more.
It's not like an overnight light switch, it's more like... your mood forcast changes, and those moods are more or less in line with certain things. It's not like it makes me 100% dom, all the time, it just makes me feel subby less often, and makes me feel like domming more often, and makes me feel better when I do, because I want to more.
For me, prog also sharpens me, and makes me feel more alert and aware. Not sure if that's just a me thing, though.

>>11217461 (OP)
We're so back

>>11236694
https://x.com/zex66666/status/1911417570051190815
him i think

>>11275612
Not who I was referring to but there's him as well. I'd still say keep them become you might change your mind 20 years down the road.

>>11275651
Forgot pic

>>11270043
Took E for a few months and my breast stopped at size A, with 1cm nipples and 5cm areola, kinda flat. I guess it is a femboy jackpot but a nightmare for troon out.

>>11277926
>stopped at size A, with 1cm nipples and 5cm areola
I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure that's not A
>Took E for a few months
how long was "few" in your case? 2 months? 4? 6? 8?
breast growth usually starts around the 2-2.5 months mark and reaches its final stage around 1 year, most trannies end up with something between A and B cup at least

>>11278182
5 months.
My body curently look like >>11248980

>>11240567
> things like volufine and other supplements
what are some others out of curiosity?

>>11246254
cant find this on the artist plage for some reason, maybe im blind

>>11278426
Has your chest changed at all since stopping? What made you stop taking it?

>>11278426
what made you stop taking it, where did you get it from, and may we see said body in a link?

>>11261538
>>11280299
>>11236036
>>11248128
I used to take an 80/20 blend of powdered astralgus root and dong quai in my tea every morning, and and it worked excellently for trying to achieve a femboy look. Was able to fit comfortably into an AA cup bra after about seven months, and accumulated a lot more fat on my ass and thighs. Also softened up my face quite a bit, and improved my overall mood and body-feeling.

You can find pre-prepared mixes readily sold online, including through Amazon. Astralgus and dong quai blends are used in Chinese traditional medicine to treat menopause and other female hormonal issues, since when used synergistically (but not on their own) they behave as an estradiol analog in the human body. I'd recommend dissolvable granules that you can put in a hot beverage. As far as dosage, just pay attention to your body and use however much seems appropriate; you're gonna get pretty noticeably busty if you overdo it.
Anecdotally, I also found the herbal blend to be beneficial for blood flow, appetite, and reducing anxiety and anger.

I took it for a few years, but stopped back this January because running from twink death was starting to become untenable for me. My body pretty rapidly went back to normal with no ill effects afterwards, and all I have to show for it is two very small clumps of fibrous mammary tissue underneath my nipples, about the size of cashew nuts. Not noticeable at all unless you pinch them directly, and they're not super sensitive like they used to be either (which sucks cuz playing with them felt insanely good).

>>11283777
thanks for sharing, was there any negative effects you felt from it at all? also did balls hurt at all when taking?
>You can find pre-prepared mixes readily sold online, including through Amazon
any brand you recommend that you took? amazon only shows one that looks unreputable
>untenable for me.
what aspect? id imagine it still be beneficial to take from what you said regardless

>>11283784
>Did balls hurt
Nope, no ball pain at all. Libido definitely did drop though. And weirdly enough, it made my dick physically feel smaller on my body, though I measured it vigorously and found no difference in size whatsoever, so it must've been psychosomatic. My dick also became less sensitive, too, but the rest of my body felt a lot more erogenous.

>Side effects
None that I was able to observe. But like any chemical in the human body, it's going to effect different people in different ways.

>Brand you recommend?
I'd definitely say Sun Ten, specifically their product "combination 824". On their website, it's only available for licensed practitioners to purchase, but it looks like there's some available on eBay for a considerable markup, and for somewhat less money on a few sites I've never used before. I know it's an American-based company, so their product is held to at least some testing and safety standards.

Sun Ten 824 used to be available on Amazon, but alas, no more. I've used the current powder listed by E-fong on Amazon before, which is probably what you were looking at. It's definitely on the weak side, and doesn't smell or taste very strongly; the company is China-based, so good chance there's some filler in there, but it at least does produce effects. It dissolves very nicely in beverages, however, unlike Sun Ten which tends to coat the cup a little.

>Untenable how?
I'm just starting to age out, lol. Nothing to do with the herbal mixture, but I'm getting to the point where fem aesthetics aren't as flattering as they used to be. Though obviously, if you just want some cute tiny tittes and a more slappable butt/kissable face, it'll work for you at any age. Starting to get more into being on top these days, so that's just not my cup of tea (literally) anymore.
Happy to help my fellow anons, though!

>>11283777
>which sucks cuz playing with them felt insanely good)
God, yeah
I wish these threads had more nipple play

>>11283803
Definitely!

>>11283777
-____-

i know herbal estrogens barely work, but this convinced me to try them, ordered stuff for like 6 months period. (astragalus root, dong quai, puerria mifica)

>>11284658
Genuine question, why go the herbal route when you know it barely does anything? Why not full blown E?

Need some advice on what to take, I have Bica 50mg pills and some vials of injectable estradiol. would it make sense to take both together? I am kinda worried about safety if I combine the two

Where are all the cute femboys who need their puffy perky nipples and soft baby clitty milked?

>>11239676
you have no respect for fashion homie

>>11286671
Do condom and clothing/sock for penis also considered fashion, too?

>>11282370
>>11282406
Mainly libido, I love my sexual energy as a man. Even on E I jerk off 2 to 3 times a days(clear fluid) but noticeably weaker. Thing got better after I stopped
Another big reason is I reach my goal with the nipples and afraid to grow more. I did proper measurement with my nipple, they are 1.5cm and 1.3cm when neutral and 1cm when erects, 5cm areolas.
My breasts seem reduce a little than stop, I guess having gynecomastia during puberty help keep the size. Most notable change are butt and hips.
I won't post my body here, sorry. You probably see me in Twitter as SEA ladyboy ;)

>>11284658
Some people are extremely sensitive with E, especially during puberty. I ate a lot of tofu at 13 and developed gynecomastia. Still only have significant change while on E

>>11286923
It worth the try since herbal E also make your skin as smooth as baby as long as you limit your sugar and oil intake.

>>11286767
sure!

I LOVE BRIDGET

>>11288064
Elaborate.

>>11268445
Holy fuck that's hot, sauce?

Everyone! I need lingere idea input.
I am drawing Thistle from Dungeon meshi but dont know what sissy outfit fits him!

>>11288776
harem outfits like this! they're so hot and you don't see that many of them

>>11217461 (OP)
Can anybody tell me why are some fems so apposed to estrogen? I see some of them say "I'm not trans" while others in this thread use coping methods. What exactly is there to lose here?

>>11278182
cute!

>>11292933
Some people want to move on with their lives once they hit twink death instead of fucking themselves up.

>>11292933
The same reason het men should oppose steroids, because they fuck up your body and age you at 30x speed after they wear off

>>11293036
>>11293131
What about the bottoms that are fems and are openly fem and/or only bottom? The only reason why someone wouldn't take it is if they wanted kids. Other than that there's nothing to lose.

>>11296609
I'm scared of growing boobs

>>11296623
Boobs are really never that big of a deal. I've seen plenty of dudes with gyno before.

>>11292933
because growing tits in this kind of situation is kink related if not related to actively wanting to be the other gender (which i dont want to do or be). would it be cool/fun to have tits? yes, in a sexual situation. but tits are not my earthly desire like that and i have a life outside of sex and kinks/fetishes.

my life and body are more important than potentially fucking myself up just to have something sexy for my boyfriend to grab when we're having sex. this is why i bought fake tits. i can wear them for fun and remove them when im tired of them.

>>11296917
What exactly do you mean by "fucking up" though? Estrogen for the most part is relatively healthy. Tit growth is blown way out of property and there are other benefits like smooth skin, minimized hairloss, and just looking younger all together. The only real issue again would be if you were a top. There're plenty of trans women that can still top

>>11297561
not him but
>Estrogen for the most part is relatively healthy
The key takeaway here is "relatively". When it comes to hormones you can never be careful enough. Blood clots, liver damage, mental swings/depression, infertility etc, I wouldn't call DIY safe.
I'd be open to taking estrogen under doctor's supervision, but I'm not trans so I can't be bothered.

>>11296623
You can always get nonbinary mastectomy if the boob growth gets to be too much
>>11296917
>this is why i bought fake tits. i can wear them for fun and remove them when im tired of them.
Meme like f1nn lol
That said, are you sure you don't want some real boobs of your own? Jiggly, the kind that make you moan when your nipple brushes on the inside of your shirt? Of course there's kink stuff to it but the reason of "it's just a kink" is bizzare to me because surprise surprise, kinks are a part of you and are not necessarily only a sex thing. Kink is about being yourself unabashedly, and if you have to wear tight sports bras or even binders to hide your boobs in public then so be it. Nothing beats the real deal
Also, guess what? Boobs do not make you into a woman. Trans men have boobs. Fat men have boobs. Men can just have gyno at random. If I can be a boy while having boobs and a dick, so can you.
>t. HRT femboy with D cups
>>11297715
There are plenty of safe methods to DIY, and blood clot issues are basically mythical
You also don't have to be a trans woman to take HRT you can just want to take HRT to take it. I've known boys and girls who did complete transitions, then detransitioned later and live happily now. I also know people who started off nonbinary getting surgeries on that, and then later come out as binary trans. With how normalized abusing T is with men, why not go the opposite way and abuse E? Literally nothing stopping you. Hormones aren't gender. Sex isn't gender. Clothes aren't gender. Be a femboy with or without E, be a femboy with or without a dick, be a femboy with or without femboy clothes (unless it's a performative thing in which case, it probably isn't gender in the first place.)
If a femboy wears a suit and a tie, he's still a femboy. If a trans woman doesn't take E, that's unfortunate but doesn't make her not a trans woman. If a gay man dresses in drag 24/7, that doesn't make him not a gay man. Gender is all a spook, its all made up

Bump

>>11297715
>Blood clots
This one's pretty much fake and gay.
Your overall odds of blood clots actually net go down from hrt, because you're at a higher risk to begin with from being born with male levels of testosterone. Reducing your testosterone levels has a greater positive impact than the hormones do a negative one.
Most of the cautionary guidelines for everything used in hrt are actually misapplied to their use in hrt, because most of the medications have different intended uses than are currently being used. T blockers have side effects listed that are only relevant for men taking them to prevent hair loss, stop feeding certain tumors, ect. Estrogen supplements have side effects listed only for menopausal women taking them.
Genuinely, sterility is the only actual thing to consider.

>>11297982
>Meme like f1nn lol
no idea what this means

but no i dont. if i had my way i would pick different body parts almost everyday. i want a lack of permanence and ability to change daily, i would rather be a shapeshifter with no gender that can pick at will whether i have tits or not and what genitals i have.

again. this is why i bought fake tits. i can put them on and have fun then i can take them off and be done with them when i dont want them anymore. do i wish i could make them real when i wear them? sure, but then i would not want them a few days later and have body issues if they were real and permanent.

i had enough of that personal mental stress and anguish when i was younger thinking my body was aging in a way that i did not want. i do not want those body issues again nor do i want them to be permanent.

>>11303050
>>Meme like f1nn lol
>no idea what this means
Streamer who bought fake tits as a joke once and is now an hrt femboy (or woman, idk). Basically anon is saying you're coping.

That's quite literally body dysphoria anon. Just start estrogen.

>>11303148
do not presume you know me or what i have been through. i did not ask for advice

>>11303195
These threads typically have 3 groups of people
>art posters
>actual trannies
>unironic groomer faggots who try to convince you doing hrt for the sake of fetish is perfectly safe
The first group, as you may have guessed, just posts art and that's sadly finite for this particular fetish
2nd group mostly posts on /lgbt/
And there's little reasonable discussion to be had with the 3rd group

>>11292933
whats it with some fems and wanting to push estrogen on ppl who don't want it or have no desire for it?
if they're suffering with obv dysphoria and coping with dodgy phytoestrogens as a long term strategy or certain "fitness guides", like yeah ok they should be on e.
but besides that, why not let them enjoy their youth and age out of it like normal? e is not as amazing as you're trying to sell it as from a kink perspective + can have some very real side effects that aren't harmless nor can be written off.
i will agree yeah, blood clots are way overblown and are really only associated with the literal pregnant horse urine type of e. liver damage is only a concern with methods like oral e, you should be doing sublingual at least. mental effects are a ymmv thing. infertility is basically how and why transitioning works in the first place, and is not guaranteed unless you snip your balls off. and the idea of e aging you like t, dht, and other androgens is hilarious.
beyond that though, I've experienced at least high bp, high heart rate, sleep issues, bladder issues (peeing way more freq.), odd nerve issues, bizarre insulin responses (way more sensitive to sugar crashes to the point where it affects my energy and sleep). and this is just monotherapy e, i'm not on anything else.
>>11297982
you can't identify out of having visible breasts, a guy with tits who isn't fat will just look plain weird. the puffy femboy stage doesn't last long unless you're (un)lucky, and get harder to hide the bigger they get. the need of a sports bra+hoodie creeps up real quick.
and in general the identity stuff is just plain silly desu, ppl will gender you how they see you, i.e. tranny if you're unlucky. i started growing facial hair again because i began to malefail and am not ready to be out yet after only <2yrs on e.

>>11303396
>if they're suffering with obv dysphoria and coping with dodgy phytoestrogens as a long term strategy or certain "fitness guides", like yeah ok they should be on e.

I mean, you kinda answered your own question. I understand whe somebody is okay living with their gender but we've actually seen in real time a whole generation of fems get screwed over because of that one "femboy fitness" pic. I was there and most people who gassed it up said very similar things to what people in this thread say.
>I don't want tits
>hrt is dangerous
>I'll used herbs or (insert experimental drug/dangerous antiandrogen stack) instead
I will agree that you might look weird but that does depend on if you wereugly to begin with. Plenty of guys have gyno but breast are very noticeable on a dude. You do tend to learn to love them eventually.

Overall, while I do agree that jrt isn't for everybody, most of the reasons I've heard in these threads comes off as cope and/or lack of understanding which is exactly what we've seen before. Nobody is grooming anybody. It's just that we're watching history repeat itself.

i hate to be that "guy" but fake tits could never compare to the real deal, my shit is so sensitive nowadays

yeah but what about the libido? would be weird to take estrogen for the kink only for your horniness to dwindle away

isn't erectile disfunction also a thing on hormones?

>>11306332
>what about the libido
You just switch from male libido to female libido

>>11306416
sure

and what exactly does that entail?

>>11303867
idk, maybe i'm wrong, it just feels odd to me to see it pushed like this
> You do tend to learn to love them eventually.
i do love my breasts
>>11306332
it doesn't go away unless you're running on nothing

>>11306478
>and what exactly does that entail?
Nothing, unless that anon is talking about going from horny beast to somewhat mellower desire.

>>11284658
one month in, i expected nothing, but my skin on face become way better at least. i was prone to acne and it just vanished, i wonder can it be related to testosterone or just simple coincidence.

.>>11285254

I don't know if i should (i am like 50/50 on that almost every day), i am old already as well.

also if i want to leave country sooner or later that's stopping hormones, which is giga meh at best and it's mostly not safe to start hrt/get noticed in my country

>>11306332
From personal experience, libido is a bit different in that I get randomly horny less, but porn or sexual situations still make me horny. I've heard erectile dysfunction depends on the person but making sure you get boners helps prevent it, personally no issues on that front, but I no longer get random boners.

>take e
>time passes
>end up a 50yo hon

>>11309079
CIS men, CIS women, trans ー everyone gets old and wrinkly eventually, anon.
>hon
Skill issue. Take care of yourself.

>>11309079
Ngl
trans girls actually age pretty well
They're currently a bit rare, but a transgirl who reaches, y'know, 40, 50, as opposed to one who starts then, is usually pretty damn hot, with some hard-core mommy vibes

>>11311729
>with some hard-core mommy vibes
too bad these kinds of trans girls usually snip their dick and balls off

Budding breasts are the cutest

>>11312919
Agreed

>>11292933
I want to have a family and live a normal life. I know I'm a repressed tranny but I don't think the social consequences of transitioning will make my life easier or better. And anyway, I have a childish / feminine face. In the end, living as a soft artsy type comfortably while being unhappy with my gender seems to be a better time than basically tossing all my life's normalcy away and probably being equally as unhappy.
That being said, I was being complacent. My face stabilized around when I was 18 and never changed beyond that, but mid way through when I was 22 it started to change again and I grew a browridge, cheekbones, defined nose, square jaws and chin... My wrists now have an extra bone and are thick... I thought you weren't supposed to change that much but now I just want to kms with my newfound masculinity

>>11314504
>I thought you weren't supposed to change that much
Our growth stops around 26-27 mark

>>11314504
>I want to have a family and live a normal life. I know I'm a repressed tranny but I don't think the social consequences of transitioning will make my life easier or better
I know how you feel anon, and frankly for me I eventually came to the realization that living "normally" is so uncomfortable and difficult for me that I'll never be able to just the a dude and settle down without caving. It would be really unfair to the family I would start and frankly with the way things are going I feel good about my odds of settling down with a cute cis girl and having IVF kids as a tranny. My family doesn't really accept the way I exist as male anyway, so might as well rip the bandaid off

>>11312919
Big time

>>11317169
>My family doesn't really accept the way I exist as male anyway, so might as well rip the bandaid off
May i ask in what way? Do they know you're not completely straight?

>>11318479
>May i ask in what way?
I've always been very fruity and weird. My only typically male interest is gaming and I'm just outwardly very soft. I don't fit well into male gender roles, feminine expression and wearing dresses rocks and I really really want tits so fuck it

>>11318479
Do you have a source for that pic?

>>11319201
Artist is @Buriburiri2 over on Twitter. I promise you will not have a fun time going through their account.

>>11315584
So have you started or are you still repping?

>>11288068
go fuck yourself

>>11322549
Not formal.

>>11314504
This is a genuine question. Is it really responsible to start a family as a repressed tranny or as a fag in general? I've seen some trannies on here and /lgbt/ mention how they found out their fathers were also repressing trannies so there's some proof that it might be genetic. While it is good for social norms, is that what you really want to put your family through? Idk, I'm just a chaser who goons to this stuff so I wouldn't know. I know a few guys who post their holes on Snapchat and Twitter while crossdressing and they have wives and kids so maybe it's not too big of a deal. But to be fair I've never really talked to them about their normal lives also I'm just an observer.

If you had a wife and kids, do you think the love for them would outweigh the repression, or will you still be suffering mentally to the point you wouldn't be able to enjoy your day-to-day life?

>>11322677
better yet, start a family as an unrepressed tranny or a fag in general, at least then you'll be fighting external influences and not yourself

>good for social norms
those are somebody else's social norms, made to celebrate their nature, not yours

>if you had a wife and kids
to me, as a tranny, this is a successful outcome

>>11322555
With such digits I feel forced to reply as you asked. Bridget is the cutest femboy but also muscular enough to battle monsters, he has ass but is not fat, popular both with and without tits, with cock big or small. Even wearing his full outfit, showing barely any skin at all every inch that does reveals being of extreme sex appeal. he's had the whole town inside him and is still man enough to dick you down without asking. These were my arguments, I suggest applying my former suggestion while pondering Bridget.

>>11322677
I married my wife when I was repping. However, she's bisexual and was always supportive of my sometimes excessively non-masculine tendencies so I guess that helped alleviate my condition somewhat.

>>11323109
>to me, as a tranny, this is a successful outcome
Same I plan to freeze sperm before I get on e. Based art btw
>>11320788
>So have you started or are you still repping?
Assuming you meant to respond to me, no. I want to start next year
>>11323229
Based, bless you and your wife anon

>>11323208
nice

is 21 too late to become a hrt femboy? i have a twinkish body, im mostly worried about my hands and feet. i tried it before but quit every time cuz i got scared and the libido drop killed part of the motivation

>>11221042
that kurapikas face lookos fucked up bro

>>11233573
it's not that you feel nothing in your prostate it's that you're too retarded to understand what actual prostate stim feels like
go have a hooker milk you or something and then you'll understand

>>11325425
Get back on it and start playing with your butt.

>>11325425
>is 21 too late
lol
>the libido drop killed part of the motivation
the libido stabilizes after about 4-5 months

>>11325495
its not that simple, it legit feels insane to keep going. i feel like a freak

>>11325425
oh i forgot to mention im 6'1 ;c

>>11325497
idk about feeling like a freak, but when I started I felt like I had nonstop post nut clarity, like im taking a shower or commuting and think, damn it feels like I just nutted but I didnt obviously

the feeling would subside when masturbating and return upon orgasm, I don't really notice it anymore though

there are ways to help libido off the top of my head: maintaining a small amount of T, very high E levels and/or progesterone or cabergoline, but yeah itd be kind of annoying to try them all

>6'1
waow

>>11325871
Yeah that clarity. The same way I feel shame for indulging in this post nut, I feel it almost constantly on E

>>11307705
Almost 2 months in, my nipples became slightly large and they feel denser ...

^______^

>>11307705
How would being on hormones prevent you from leaving?

>>11325498
You can still be tall and cute!

>>11326188
Because if i start them, i obviously don't want to take a long break. Also, I don't think it is wise to take 1+ years supply of estrogen and cross borders with it lol.
Might be good idea for me to do small research about hormones in EU/Serbia etc. But i heard at least 1-2 countries it is super strict and not free to just go to pharmacy store with no prescription.

>>11330600
Idk the rules but I'm pretty sure you can take prescription medication with you when traveling. Even if you can't, you can have medication sent over to you if you know someone staying behind. Was able to get my meds that way when I moved.

>>11248814
Sorry for never responding but honestly, most resources are kinda shit from what I've seen. Most of the actual advice that works boils down to working out and/or BBL, estrogen, and wearing a waist trainer/corset. That's pretty much all tou can do really.

>>11288479
Use the built in saucenao function, newfag

>tfw look like megamonster

im 30 i could never be cute its ovah

Boop

>>11338783
But are you cute in your soul? That's what matters most!

>>11303300
Lol you forgot hung masculine lurkers who don't really post and just get off to femboys/cd's/trans and anything feminine

bump

>>11341568
a mythical creature for me, small, weak, below average looking guy, who likes to be feminine

>>11340435
Emoboys are kino

>>11334242
Cute

If you guys want boobs all you have to do is get a diagnosis for the schizos you are and get a risperdal prescription and you’ll get gynecomastia along with getting off of 4chan

>>11351009
How's your day, that got you into this?

Does anyone have more femboys in denial of their feminization

>>11217461 (OP)
>3 years deep, started at 31
>randomly going through a growth spurt so they are bigger and more sensitive
Went from the border of A/B to solid B cups. Im hoping to make them even bigger when I weight cycle up again

>>11243732
>>11243799
Went from 6.5 down to 5 on a good day usually closer to 4. My shoe size also went down from 10.5 to 9.

Kinda wish I could frot eith a guy that used to be the exact same size as me

>>11243799
My gf's shrunk a good bit. Moreso girth than length, she lost about about an inch of length hard, but almost half her girth. She's even smaller soft, she was cut, but shrunk enough she basically has foreskin again. She also gets hard less, I guess, forcibly? I don't quite know how it works, but, I can kinda grab her at the base, and she can't get hard. She can't stay hard in my ass either, only my vag. She DID gain the ability to have multiple orgasms, which is good for me, 'cuz she cums WAY quicker now. Before I only needed a little early warm up to sorta line up, now I can sometimes just get two out of her. I think it's been fun getting to experience the changes she's gone through like this

>>11353337
>She can't stay hard in my ass either, only my vag
are you cis or trans?

i love 2n5

>>11355085
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.

>>11353920
Cis
I mean, I think of myself as nb but, for the question you're asking, cis, I guess.