Thread 2911318

my dear sweet brothers in Christ, lrn2coppice correctly

Why does it matter?

>>2911386
The cut angle is important to prevent the tree getting sick.

>>2911318 (OP)
>my dear sweet brothers in Christ

I'm going to go poison a tree in the park because you talk like a faggot

>>2911398
Interesting. Say more. How does it prevent sickness?

>>2911318 (OP)
I fucking hate those type of trees
they look so god damn ugly

>>2911398
why do you care about the health of a tree you cut down

>>2911401
Not op but you want water to run off the cut ends
>>2911445
Its a coppicing tree, you let the branches grow back and then you use the sticks for fire. You don't have to plant a new tree, just wait 2-3/years.

Why not logs? Surface area of sticks can give you a hotter fire witch means way less creosotes and other junk building up. You really need a masonry stove for it to work best.

>>2911404
It's generally a shrub not a tree.
The real artform is in the pleaching and laying.

>>2911474
>Surface area of sticks can give you a hotter fire
smaller diameter means a higher ash component from bark compared to logs.

What are perspectives on pollarding vs coppicing?

>>2911398
It's not about disease.
It's because it's better to stimulate the new buds to start lower. Imagine how the new stems from bottom left or bottom right will form.

>>2911318 (OP)
Why not pollard?

>>2911445
>>2911484
Worth looking into

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agroforestry#Farmer-managed_natural_regeneration

>>2911474
Small so you can cut and process them easier. No chainsaw, no splitting. Just chop and stack.

>>2911484
>pollarding
Comfy to work with, as you can cut without bending down, but trees will form a "head" if you cut them at the same height every time, and may split after a few years. Willows are especially prone to this.
Also protects the cuts from beeing overgrown with grass, vines etc, which can cause the wound to start rotting if humidity is high. I pollard trees near the river for this reason.
>coppicing
Less comfortable to do, but the tree will last longer, provided it is not overgrown with other plants. I treat my hedges this way - since they're on top of knee-high walls, it's pretty comfy still.

>>2911488
The cut angle is a minor importance as it is to let water run off preventing what ever would happen from still water sitting on the live stump, probably disease.

>>2912467
You can graze livestock around pollarded trees and avoid deer damaging new growth

>>2912468
What are you pulling? There's no real difference in cut angle between them it's clearly about stool heights which means it's about regrowth,

What species are you guys working with?

We lay the hedges every few years and generally have, ash, hazel, oak, elm, sycamore and some willow to.

I've planted a couple of sweet chestnuts in the hope to coppice them for fence stakes in a couple decades. and I wonder how long the ash will survive after die back wreaks its devastation.

>>2911318 (OP)
>cut down tree
>remove the stump
problem solved

>>2912676
Also all the whitethorn, blackthorn, and brambles, I just choose to forget them because they hurt.

Might be a strange question but can apple trees be coppiced? How well do they recover?

>>2911398
uhh you're increasing surface area, odd that reduces sickness might stimulate more growth because it is a larger open wound.

>>2912844
Why would you want to coppice apples? All they need is a hard prune after planting to get them started.

>>2912981
It's not some grafted orchard apple the fruit aren't particularly great either so I['m not concerned about fruiting. I've hedges with apple trees in them, curious how they'll respond to getting cut back, or pleached.

It's a lot quicker and easier to just cut out the overgrowth if it will recover to bring the hedge back into order. I know they're the same sort of rose family as species like whitehorn which coppices well, just wondered if anyone had any experience with it.

We pollard willows in my country like in pic related and most of them last 20 years. It’s a long standing tradition because we have many wet riverbanks that willows like.

As for OP pic, if you cut the shoots too long then they may split at the ends with heavy sun, leaving a crevice for standing water and insects to live in

>>2913056
>most of them last 20 years
between cuttings or do you mean the lifespan of the pollarded tree because that seems a little short given you can find ancient pollard trees?

>>2912442
They do like coming up with a lot of new terms for old practices people have been doilg for millenia

What are you guys hoping to use your coppice wood for? Just for burning or do you have a bigger purpose?

>>2915599
I'd be using it for stove wood and charcoal

>>2915713
What sorts of species and rotation time are you looking at?
You aren't interested in anything like fence stakes or basketry?

>>2915841
Random Eucalyptus, I'd have to cut a tree to see what the regrowth is.

Closest I have right now is saplings that I have to thin which most have been about half bark, I don't know if regrowth will have the same or less bark.

>>2915854
eucalyptus seems like a pretty responsive coppice
it says here that not all eucalyptus species are suitable, but it depends how much they regrow and what they're usable for.
https://treepursuits.com/can-you-coppice-eucalyptus-trees/

I've seen guys growing chairs before.

>>2913058
nta, but it should be neither. We do the same thing here in Germany, with 5-10 years between beheadings, and those trees last 50-100 years easily. after 20 years without beheading, the branches would be thick enough to break off on their own.

>>2913058
>>2916722
I meant to say 120 years lifespan. You can tell because many of the rows that weren’t cut down over the years are still mostly original and complete. There was a pretty big industry that focused on making chairs like pic rel for export to Germany

I really want to make one like this some day but I don’t have space for a willow rn

>>2911318 (OP)
>>2911398
this is why you cut it low
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlSP-S7xD0c

>>2911484
Pollarding isn't just for making poles. I wish homeowners would understand why I need to do this with some of their ugly ass bushes instead of hedging them 1 inch and having a million shoots suffocate the poor things. None of them believe me when I tell them it's healthy for the trees/bushes when they're overgrown.
>But it would look ugly for a year
Despite it looking ugly now?

For those who are unaware
>coppicing
Cutting the tree down to stump
>Pollarding
Cutting tree down to trunk, usually 6 foot high or so

There are various arguments for one or the other. It's far easier to coppice if you're using a chainsaw because of the hight, coppicing ensures better access at ground level and coppice can be used as a living fence post.

The main consideration is usually rot, but the straightness of the wood is another consideration.

T. Hazel coppice enthusiast

>>2913056
The government poisoned our pollsrds because urban ecofreaks said it was taking all thy river water. Same eco freaks who buy the poles because they're more ecofriendly then plastic ones.

No, they want to buy Chinese poles.

>>2919250
What poles?
I guess you could argue transpiration losses but frankly grass and any plant matter cause that.with pollards at least you get shade which arguably should lower losses more while creating niche habitats.

>>2911318 (OP)
Silviculturist here.

I just spec that the logger needs to leave 6" stumps. We come back a year later and chemically kill the red maple stumps that sprout, since they never form good saw timber trees (seed born red maple can form very large >24" >100' saw timber trees), and any magnolias besides cucumber magnolia and yellow poplar (not even closely related to poplar). From the chestnut oak, black oak, and scarlet oak stumps, we usually can get 1-3 good saw timber stems out of them, no matter what diameter the tree was when it was cut. White oak and norther red oak don't seem to stump sprout reliably once they are saw timber sized, so we supplementally plant those two years after the harvest, and then 7 years later do a weed an release.

I've started adding black walnut and a variety of hickories to our supplemental planting mixes. Black walnut on good sites grows as fast as yellow poplar, but has a crown structure that doesn't inhibit oak regeneration beneath it, like yellow poplar does. The hickories are just because I fucking love hickory trees, and no one can stop me from adding them to the mix. Next planting has shag bark and bitter nut hickories in it.

Useless tree fact:

Bitter nut hickory is the hagfish of hickories. All of the other hickories are more closely related to each other than any of them are to bitter nut hickory.

Another useless fact because I am waiting for the captcha timer. Europe used to have hickories, but the mountains running east to west made them die out during the last glacial maximum.

>>2911484
loads of ash wasn't necessarily a bad thing in the past
wood ash was a valuable raw material for making soap and glass

It's funny to think just how much was made of coppice products in the past
the enterprises seemed endless

>>2912844
Went down a bit of a rabbit hole on apple and fruit tree pruning.
Kinda crazy what you can do with grafting and selective pruning.
Very tempted to set up a hedge of spindles, you can pretty much make these trees sit up and beg with cuts in the right place and time, I'm wondering what I could do with other trees.

>>2920734
And it's an excellent soil amendment, it's a component of terra preta

>>2924360
terra pretta is just from partially burnt biomass

good channel, very passionate about citrus trees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1HSOy-3JGU

>>2911318 (OP)
>Have a nice mimosa tree that functions as a natural wall
>Girlfriend's dad is is over when the electric company is trimming trees
>Tells them we wouldn't mind if the just cut down the tree
>They listen
>Now grows all fucked up and into the neighbor's driveway which makes me feel bad

>>2927490
Just prune it and shape it as you want.