Thread 2913643

How much of a pain in the ass would it be to buy and renovate something like this? And how would you do it? It sits on 4 acres, has a small creek and well, small EU village and it's for sale for 20k.
It's the only feasible way for me to get into the home ownership game.

How many oxen does thou own?

>>2913643 (OP)
Without knowing the roof or interior condition, but assuming it's bad... It would be cheaper to build something new, you renovate an old building like that because of its history and charm, not to save money.

>>2913643 (OP)
Being that you're in the EU there are likely all manner of gay regulations and building codes rendering it either impossible or prohibitively expensive.

>>2913650
>but assuming it's bad
It's probably barren. It's a rock house likely from the 30s and built in a poor country.
Thing about renovation is far less red tape and licensing than if I were to demolish it and build something new.
Have in mind I'm single and just want my own space, I don't care for anything luxurious or modern.

>>2913652
You're not wrong but I would just make it structurally sound, insulated, a functional bathroom and kitchen and a living/bedroom, akin to a simple studio.

>>2913654
>Have in mind I'm single and just want my own space, I don't care for anything luxurious or modern.
Do you plan on having a partner some day? Not many modern women are willing to move into your murder box.

Other than that I assume this thing has
>poor insulation
>no protection against vermin infestation
>no modern plumbing
>no wiring
The only real uses for that without a heavy overhaul is for farm/ranch work or maybe turning it into some rustic bar to make some money. I guess it could be a nice little house but I'd need to see more photos.

>>2913656
>Do you plan on having a partner some day?
That ship has sailed, the house is in a very small village and pretty much only old people live there, buying it and moving there would pretty much mean checking out of the rat race.

>poor insulation
None
>no protection against vermin infestation
None
>no modern plumbing
Inexistent
>no wiring
For sure.

>>2913643 (OP)
This is basically a shitshack. You should look very deeply into the red tape, because it's genuinely better to build new if you want to have a modern, livable interior. Otherwise you'd need a complete new roof, then probably drywall over everything from the inside and insulate from the inside including hydroinsulation, or completley dig up the one side that's in the hill, hydroisolate, same for ground floor, lay new concrete, new windows, run plumbing and power, more drywall, EWI, ??? and then you still have a structure with dubious wall solidity.
For /diy/ability, yeah you can do a lot more and more easily when there's a standing structure like this as opposed to nothing, but like, the end result will be appropriate for the amount of money and effort spent. If you plan to spend the rest of your life there, and you're making some half decent money, then save up a bit more and get a new build. You can still /diy/ a lot of shit on a new build to save money, ie. complete heating, EWI, most of electrical (provided you're not retarded).

>>2913657
Well in that case you will need a furnace for heating and wiring for your electronics. I suppose internet can be wireless. If the flooring is half decent then leave it as is and put down some rugs. I doubt you'll be running wiring through the walls yourself. So that will need to be done by a pro or run it with cable management. Some places seem to use wooden posts to hide the wiring.

>>2913677
Now we know why he won't post more pics

>>2913679
But we don't know why he posted this shop in the first place, and I am curious.

>>2913680
It's a shitpost. Been quite a few of them lately. Anons with fake problems to troll everyone else

>>2913677
>>2913679
It had the real estate agent watermark that's why.

>>2913683
That building has a gable roof and OP's has a hip roof. Lot's of other differences too.

>>2913684
This is a different a gle, the one was from the side.

>>2913643 (OP)
Looks like it's in a mediterranean area, so mold/moisture may not be a big problem. Since it's made from what looks to be well fitted granite it's probably going to be and remain structurally sound for quite a while.

Granite is going to be a bitch and a half to work with as far as recesses for plumbing/wiring is concerned. Plus it won't really hold plaster. So I'd go with flush mounted everything. That way you'll only have to drill holes to get through walls.

Heating is dependent on the local climate. If its indeed mediterranean and you don't mind cold showers you can go with a solid fuel stove. Get a big cooking range type one with a compartment for heating water. That way you can occasionally enjoy the luxury of a hot bath. You'll need lots of storage for fuel outside. If there's nothing you will have to build a big-ish shed. If you've got 4 acres of land that 's absolutely possible, though.

There's just one serious problem: utility hookups. You're going to need electricity, water mains and a sewer connection or a septic tank. All of that will require at least some digging. Potentially a lot. That digging - and possibly (((hookup fees))) as applicable in the area - is expensive and may end up setting you back another 20k on top of the purchase price right away.

>>2913686
>I'd go with flush mounted everything.
Ah, the opposite of that of course. Wiring/plumbing is probably going to have to be surface mounted.

>>2913685
Different camera angles won't change the fucking roof.

>>2913686
It's indeed Mediterranean climate.

>Plaster won't stick
That's a shame because my idea would just be to cover it with it and then apply waterproofing and paint it.
I don't know the details because it's not listed but I assume the house was fully functional at some point in time so it may have, albeit very old, some kind of functional septic tank, or maybe not.
Utilities is definitely a problem since you're required to be on the grid even if a fully solar system is installed but there's power lines close by so might be surprisingly easy to fix that.
I kinda want to buy it because since it's an old construction it would automatically grant me the permit to renovate and live there unlike buying other cheap land where construction might not be allowed. Zoned land where construction is allowed is obviously far more expensive and I'm priced out.


>Small village and no jobs
>Far away so would only be able to work on it on the weekends while still living with parents
>Building is bigger than I need it to be but its type of construction might be far harder endeavor than I'll be able to complete an half decent dwelling with
>Would be able to pay it all upfront but would have to rely on monthly wages to pay for materials
Please guys be honest, is buying this a really bad idea?
On the plus side it's a lovely part of the country, has a decent amount of land and plenty of water nearby if I decide to farm or homestead. And I've done construction work before.

>>2913689
What do you want me to tell your autistic ass? The photo is cropped but other than that it's the same building as the as the op.

>>2913689
This is a possible solution to his claim.

>>2913693
You almost got it right, maybe this will shut up the autist.

>>2913695
Sure but that is a decent sized house with a chimney, and OP presented it as a small shed. So removing a watermark does not seem like the correct reason for the 'shop. Also, none of your images even have a watermark.

This house seems to grow in size with every pic. And why does he need an entire hour in between sharing these photos one at a time? Mf is trolling over dialup

>>2913696
No where in op did I mention it was a shed. This last one is a screenshot so no watermark but the first image was saved direct so it had the watermark.

This is all retarded either way, I want advice on the renovation itself not on the quality of the images posted.

>>2913699
Btw the chapel is obviously not part of the listed property.

>>2913699
Either this image, or the OP, has been mirrored. That's not necessary to remove a water-mark. Are you trying to occupy an abandoned rectory?

>>2913701
Squatters rights are human rights.
But no, I'm trying to decide whether or not do I put my life savings into buying a decrepit property that will need a ton of work.

>rectory
It's not, that's what houses from the beginning of last century looked like here.

>>2913699
Ok, got this deception figured out: In Malta, squatting on abandoned or unoccupied church property is not considered a criminal offense, and squatters can claim rights to the property through adverse possession. The church can evict if the occupation is discovered in less than a year.

>>2913699
Stay off of church property scumbag!

>>2913703
Wtf are you even talking about?

>>2913706
God don't like you you're up to.

>>2913706
You are trying to hide the real appearance of the building so the Church doesn't find out you are squatting.

>>2913705
>Give me your poor
>Nooo, not like that
Tbh I would much rather there was no chapel close to the property since every now and then old people probably visit that and become a nuisance.
There's also some park with tables and benches facing the property and considering the other thread with the anon complaining about people hanging out in front of his house and littering gives me more doubts on buying this.

>>2913707
God doesn't want me to buy an old poor man's property?

>>2913708
Meds now.

EYYYOO WE GOT A SQUATTER OVER HERE. YOU SQUATTIN. YOU TAKIN A SQUAT. Dat squat shot back doh

>>2913643 (OP)
I own a house like that, it just has stucco on top of the stone.
It didn't cost much because yuropoor wagies are cheap and because the house is small. It needed inside stucco repaired, everything repainted and that's about all.
Electrical is from early 60's but good enough for lamps and phone chargers.
Mine is in a warm climate and not used during winter. It would be shit in an actual winter.
Don't have AC on it either so insulation doesn't matter really in summer either.
Wood plank floors are pain in the ass to keep clean.

>>2913643 (OP)
I guess you talk about Portugal maybe? tons of houses like that for peanuts for sale. I'll tell you, it's doable certainly but you need to learn how to work with the local materials. If you're amerimutt you'll be shocked that the houses aren't made of timber and cardboard, so you'll need actual bricklayers, roofers working with ceramic, stonecutters, etc

>>2913643 (OP)
>How much of a pain in the ass
Your ass isn't big enough to accommodate such a girthy painrod. Why do you think things like this are so cheap during an era of overpopulation, corporate landlordism and price hikes, and a general housing crisis? It's because they're effectively unlivable in their current states, because it would cost an arm and a leg to transform them into a serviceable shitshack, and because nobody wants to live in depopulated rural shitholes (that's why they're depopulated). You would spend 20k to buy it and two, three, maybe four times that to get it up to scratch. You will not be able to sell it for the same amount you'd be putting into it, let alone making any profit on it, because without its status as a dirt cheap fixer-upper, it's just a small and poorly built hovel in a terrible location. The only feasible way for you to become a homeowner is to marry a woman who also works full-time, and relocate to a cheap town. It should then be possible to get approved for a mortgage on a modest house.

>>2913796
PT was my guess as well. Keep in mind that you will have moisture control to do. In the north the winters are very wet, in the south summer heat will result in condensation on the granite walls.
For a full renovation install concrete floor beams with insulation and build interior walls (brick, not wood) with rockwool insulation between the wall and the granite leaving ventilation room between granite and insulation. The insulation should be covered in foil (vapour-open).
Roof can be made with insulated roofboards, reusing the tiles.
Use aluminium window frames, those are more resistant to sun/moisture than wood or plastic.

These building are usually for sale so cheap because they are under heritage restrictions which prevent anyone renovating or actually living in them.
They want you to pay 20k, to preserve their archeology, so local guest houses can list it as an attraction.

>>2913796
>>2913806
Why do you think Portugal when the church is flying the Maltese flag? And why would an admitted squatter want to invest in a property unless he expects to claim it from the Church through adverse-possession?

>>2913796
>>2913806
Vamos caralho.
>>2913810
Not the case, this is just some random house that was built prior to 1951 and housed peasants, as that was the majority of the country back then.

>>2913804
So... don't?
Also no way in hell I'm getting a mortgage, I change jobs often because I feel trapped and tired of doing the same shit over and over again, wageslaving to pay shlomos interest isn't for me.

>>2913846
It has nothing to do with Malta, it's just some local parish flag, likely flown during Ester.

>>2913650
> It would be cheaper to build something new,
Do you know what new property costs in the EU? Add a zero to that 20k and double it, then you’re at the bottom of the barrel starter level.
But yes, still cheaper than renovating a historic building.
However, where on 4Chan, so OP is likely an autis who’s happy with medieval style living (+internet connection), so that changes the whole thing considerably. Only problem is finding a medieval maid to accompany him, but it’s not that a modern house would save him in that regard.

>>2914001
>Only problem is finding a medieval maid to accompany him
plenty of autistic girls out there. just watch love on the spectrum. tons of girls are actually really weird and autistic, but they hide it better than boys because reasons. i don't know why op didn't buy that property already. $20k is a steal for a pad of land in a developed country.

>>2914135
>i don't know why op didn't buy that property already.
There's no jobs there, and I need to keep working while fixing the house otherwise no money because all my savings would pay for it and I will not get a loan from banks.
Plus the house itself, as anons have said requires too much work, I'm still looking for other properties, will post some listings to see what anons think.

>1acre
>Fully functional
>Bumfuck nowhere, almost near the Spanish border
>40k

>one and an half acres
>Lots of olive trees, vineyard, well
>Bumfuck nowhere
>37k

>10 acres
>Literally burn down
>Bumfuck nowhere on the mountains
>37k

>acre and an half
>Gods country but still bumfuck nowhere
>28k

>>2914136
you live in a place like that and you make your own job, faggot. if you can't figure that part out, then there's still some job online waiting for you. if you can type at least 100 words per minute (110-125+ is much better), then you ought to find a gig typing out captions for videos. that type of work would be better than a lot of others, imo.

>>2914151
>>2914148
>>2914145
>>2914141
>>2914150
what's your point, faggot?

>>2913804
> You would spend 20k to buy it and two, three, maybe four times that to get it up to scratch.
This. However, 20k + 4*20 k = 100k, which (I don’t know Portugal prices, so I assume) still is a steal, however, if you count the (monetary value) of the hours spent, it gets more expensive.
I’m currently renovating a 300k house in Austria, and it’s a shitton of work and every weeks I spend hundreds on material or tools. It’s a nice hobby and I enjoy it and it beats being in debt, but still, it is a lot of work and it’s ALWAYS much more work than you expect. Especially on a property that costs a tenth of mine and this needs much more work.
>You will not be able to sell it for the same amount you'd be putting into it, let alone making any profit on it, because without its status as a dirt cheap fixer-upper,
…and this way of thinking right here is why we’re all fucked! Sure, a house shouldn’t become worthless, but this whole
>hurr, durr, muh house must be an investment, numbers must go up forever!
shit is what’s wrong with real estate nowadays.
But you’re right on the location and shit hovel issue. OP, forget about “investment” but you gotta think if you really are ready to spend your life in bumfuck nowhere. And if you decide otherwise and don’t do perfect work, you will loose money!
Long term? Who cares. 20k to start, 20k for shithole renovations, 1k in rent per month saved, so you’ll at least need to live there for approx 3 years to break even.

>>2914158
>what's your point, faggot
None, asking to see if people think these are better options?

>>2914161
100 grand for a decent house and land is obviously very cheap, Portuguese house market has experienced the biggest price increase of the entire EU in the last few years, it's literally insane.

All new apartment builds are tailored for moneyed foreigners, you now pay 350k-450k for the right to own a new two bedroom apartment in lisbon or Porto, and garbage quality. Drywall everything and tiny rooms, mother fuckers even managed to phase out brick/block interior walls.

Not long ago I worked on a condo which the 1.25M penthouse didn't even have triple glazed windows. And for some reason(guaranteed citizenship) wealthy foreigners park their money there.

>>2914150
If you are serious on living in alentejo or guarda, consider buying something which has an address and agua & electricidade da rede, so you don't have to spend a lot of money on solar/batteries and borehole/pump. Then put a caravan on the plot and live in that. When you have time and money use it to renovate the house.

>>2914166
>None, asking to see if people think these are better options?
100% preference, kiddo. everything is pros & cons. it's 100% up to you. pick one that you like in an area with good neighbors and never look back. just get to work and stop dreaming so much.

>>2913643 (OP)
>How much of a pain in the ass would it be to buy and renovate something like this?
It would be extremely painful.

>>2913643 (OP)


Ground slag is pretty cheap and makes a great pozzolan, you can mix up some geopolymer with some waterglass, lye, and aggregate such as ore tailings, red mud, or pre-graded builder's sand, mixed with loose fiberglass as reinforcement. There are recipes online for this that you can find which I won't get into here (eg research papers testing mix properties).

Finer aggregates and lower water ratios improves moisture resistance. The stochiometric water/cement ratio is roughly .35 in theory for both to be fully consumed, but the best performance actually comes from using slightly less water under the stochiometric ratio, for tighter packing density and more thixotropic consistency that will make it easier to apply and adhere to vertical surfaces (up to the point where tighter packing density no longer makes up for less polymerization and the curve in the graph stars going back down). Many recipes use extra water to make mixing and pouring easier but this is not really applicable to this use-case. Mortar the inside and outside to close up drafts, and seal it with a lithium or potassium based silicate hardener. Then if you want more weathering protection you can apply a second layer of thin adobe on top of the mortar, and seal it with silicate paint. This serves as a 'bearing surface' that can be easily reapplied removed and repaired, preserving the more permanent underlayer from ice or heat damage.

The roof probably has leaks in it. I think metal roofs are the best in most cases, but if you like the look of the shingles you can use the same mortar to seal and reapply them as well.

Depending on how much work you are willing to invest you can put underground air pipes to a remote ventshack for cooling/heating intake air to ~65 degrees freedom as well (reduces energy needed for conditioning).

Does that thing have a basement? You'd likely need to dig a trench and mortar the inside and outside as well, then backfill with bentonite and cover with rock ballast.

>>2913643 (OP)
its pretty doable, i am doing one like that, but paid 8000€ and its like 60m from my family house
barely any terrain though
if you get to know the community the old people will help you
how good is the wooden structure? bc that is the only shit you should worry about
you can try to get efficiency grants to renovate both the roof and the external walls, that is what i plan to do (ask them to save those roof tiles, those are good and can be reused)
if its not raining i would start to put hydraulic lime to fill in between the rocks
>>2913703
waaay too green for malta, and the wrong type of rock
>>2914141
so you are un hirmao do sur ?
thats a shed... you could do a sate in that to insulate it, if its enough for you
>>2914145
two sheds, looks really small
>>2914148
general status similar to the ops but looks like no road, if that is the case i wont get that as my primary house
>>2914150
same
>>2914201
he can even camp inside the house...

The main point of getting an old stone house, is that the externall walls and structure is good, so you can renovate it completely for cheap, as you dont need demolition works, and they are made to last.
Again grants can help a ton

>>2913690
>cover it with it and then apply waterproofing and paint it.
That would make it damp as shit m8

It will be made of lime mortar and plaster. This hygroscopic mortar needs to have vapour channel from inside to out so it can dry out. Anything you put on it thats not permiable will eventually have moisture stuck behind it and it will work its way out somewhere you wont want it. And a damp wall is a cold wall that will negate a lot of insulatiuon you might add. Educate yourself on non hydraulic lime and how it needs to be used. Don't consider hydraulic limes - they really aren't that permiable/breathable as they need to and most historic building surveyors now see them as inappropriate for most existing masonry buildings.
If you do it right the building should have passive dehumidification properties.
The material is cheap, but it's a learning curve.

>t. lime wall and decorative plasterer

>>2915421
>Educate yourself on non hydraulic lime and how it needs to be used.
Huge can of worms. Everyone has something different to say about lime. Mostly because it is all (yes, all) very different. I would focus on getting mature lime putty. That's the stuff you actually need. You can mature it yourself or buy it. If you want to mature it yourself get whatever is local and let it mature for three years minimum. Make a big pit. Keep it covered with water. Otherwise I agree that a lime plaster would be perfect.

>>2915421
non hydraulic is better if you have more serious humidity problems, true, but if its the kind of shit i think, as i am at the other side of the border, i would start by draining the humidity, and stooping it before it gets inside at all. in the old days the humidity was controlled as the lower parts of the houses were barns /stables.
portuguese climate, same as galician, is not that mediterranean
still it may not be a bad idea, but how do you make it work in granite? it doesnt really adhere easily

>>2914931
>you can try to get efficiency grants to renovate both the roof and the external walls
That ship has sailed, I think they don't even offer solar power grants anymore.

>hirmao do sur
Yep, your Atlantic neighbor.

>like no road, if that is the case i wont get that as my primary house
Honestly it would be a benefit for me, keep them gypsies, and random people away.

>>2914201
Not in Alentejo but Guarda yes, would live there as long as it's on the highlands. And desu it's the only possible way to find old quintinhas that have decent land and ruins for cheap, that same plot and ruin near Gaia would be 120k.
I could easily get electricity in this place, living in a caravan while renovating would work but it's something more to spend money on and I would rather not do that.

>>2915642
man there is the eu green recovery funds, i am talking about house efficiency grants, not for solar power, but those are the ones you want to do, if you are smart they will pay you like 60% for a new insulated roof, the renovation and insulation of the exterior walls, and new doors and windows. i would have done that this year if the previous owner werent retarded and didnt register properly the property
And you can probably get also repopulation ones, i mean if i can get in galicia where the goverment is against the eu programs you shouldnt have that many problems
>Honestly it would be a benefit for me, keep them gypsies, and random people away.
nah man, its a fucking mess to carry shit to the house, and you will need many construction materials.
whatever you do, my biggest recomendations is do it properly and you will only need to do once
and for the alternative to the caravan, i have slept in a tent above an old bed to not be as cold in the winter for the time before renovations.

>>2913643 (OP)
Issue may be who is legally allowed to work on the property, especially if it's "historical". You'll end up paying infinite bribes to a local politician to have his retarded cousins come by to lazily slop walmart tier construction slurry on stuff, and case your house for what he wants to steal later. Also you'll be paying Euro tier wages for a gypsy tier job.

Any time you look at something that seems too good to be true, ask yourself why someone else hasn't done it already.

>>2913690
If you're not living there 24/7, it's very likely that gypsies, "New Europeans", or as I said earlier hooligans related to the local petty elites will steal shit.

Hijacking / bumping as I'm also looking at buying a building in need of repair.

I can buy a building that needs a few months of work for 20k
or
A building that needs very little work and i know is logically the better choice, for 25k

The project implied by the first somehow sparks more joy, the thought of having to build my own stairs and redo the 2nd floor is comfy. But the seller of this one is a bit dodgy, there are some cowboy touches that don't inspire confidence in the electrics and water.

But the 2nd just works. It already works and is in better condition because its been better maintained in recent years, is much less likely to have problems.

So why am I still even considering the first?

>>2913643 (OP)
Check out martijn doolaard on youtube.

>>2917280
I dunno man, i am burned out on all these rennovation channels.

>dude I'm totally alone in the wilderness
>ignore that right now the structure is uninhabitable and that i clearly go home in the evenings
>ignore that despite being completely alone and remote, on my own, i have all this dynamic drone B-Roll of me living my best unstaged hermit life :))

>welcome everyone to my tiny home off grid where I've been living remotely for 2 years
>i mean okay, legally i can't do that, what I've done is put the house on a trailer so that it's legally distinct from a permanent dwelling, and that way I'm allowed to stay here for up to 9 months of the year, but for legal reasons i have to move in with my parents the other part of the year
>and good thing too because my shitshack is not suitable for even a mild winter for me and my dog who only has 2 square metres of floor to lie on

One of these cabin channels did a breakdown of their costs and its exactly as i thought, they spend more money than I do every week in bills and grocery delivery, all to larp as a woodsman without having to undergo any sort of actual hardship or discomfort you might reasonably expect to accompany an off grid, or self-reliant life.

Walden was no different, these youtubers are all just larping and misleading people about rennovations.

>>2917318
>welcome to my comfy, remote tinyhouse life
>thumbnail of 5/10 girl making it all about herself
>takes full credit for renovation her boyfriend is doing, on a small house they bought with his savings
>few shots of her pretending to be a tradwife while he works so that hermits in the comments all call her the ideal woman
>why I'm leaving the tiny house
>turns out we built it wrong, its not comfy, we didn't design anything with ergonomics or function in mind
>also I'm just leaving my bf, and it's his house
>I'm now a van life girl and this channel is about being a solo female traveller on the road to self discovery
>please ignore that I shit in my car
>i found a new bf, time to return to my tinyhouse roots

Tiresome

>>2913643 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nigctt0SoUQ&pp=0gcJCY0JAYcqIYzv
Looks like it'll take 3 years

>>2917280
>martijn doolaard
interesting channel, and it may be good to get ideas, but unless you want to be the modern idea of an old timer, and only that, please guys insulate the house and do shit
I know the rock walls look better, but that is not actually traditional, walls of houses were "plastered" in one way or another, with the local materials and not doing it is just suffering worse living conditions.

i would not call it a starter home

>>2913643 (OP)
It's made of stones, friend. How expensive can it be to smash apart the decaying stones in the building, grab stones lying around on the property (or outside it), and replace the old stones with the new ones?

>>2917584
>decaying stones
its granite man, that shit is not decaying

>>2917586
Then what's OP's problem? If the walls/stones are fine, then he just needs to replace/fix the roof and heal any cracks or holes on the floor/foundation.
It shouldn't be that expensive, especially if he DIY with local materials as much as possible.

>>2913643 (OP)
Because you're in Spain you have to check whether the property is located within the village building limits or in an unincorporated area. If it's the former you should be fine to renovate it but if it's the latter you will run into insane legal redtape. If it is in an unincorporated area you may not have access to sewage and will have to install a septic tank and dig a well.

There is a probability that the property might not even be "yours" but one that is leased to you by the municipality if it's on public land in which case you will need to seek government approval for literally every change you make to the property. If it is unincorporated land you will have to plant some apple trees or buy some goats/chickens to justify your residence there. There are lots of realtors who will sell publicly owned/unincorporated land to gullible foreigners & richfags from Madrid/Barca who think they've bought a slice of paradise for pennies but end up with completely unuseable land, even if there's an old dwelling on it.

DEFINITELY consult a lawyer to view the contract/property specs before you commit to buying. Lawyers are cheap af in Spain and if you pay them cash in hand might not cost you more than 50 quid just for a consult.

>>2918536
It also looks like a livestock shed so it probably has no plumbing or electricity. You will also have to clean out all the mummified cow shit and hay in the interior before you even start working on it. The cost of DIYing all this yourself may be more expensive than just shilling out for a more modern residence in a small town/village somewhere.

>>2918536
>Because you're in Spain you have to check whether the property is located within the village building limits or in an unincorporated area. If it's the former you should be fine to renovate it but if it's the latter you will run into insane legal redtape. If it is in an unincorporated area you may not have access to sewage and will have to install a septic tank and dig a well.
>There is a probability that the property might not even be "yours" but one that is leased to you by the municipality if it's on public land in which case you will need to seek government approval for literally every change you make to the property. If it is unincorporated land you will have to plant some apple trees or buy some goats/chickens to justify your residence there. There are lots of realtors who will sell publicly owned/unincorporated land to gullible foreigners & richfags from Madrid/Barca who think they've bought a slice of paradise for pennies but end up with completely unuseable land, even if there's an old dwelling on it.
first he is in portugal, and that shit happens to recent illegal buildings, not old as fuck building from before any legal ordainment.
You will suffer to get them properly on catastro, as i am, but is more a question of time
t. i am >>2914931

>>2913643 (OP)
Welcome to Portugal, ladies and gentlemen (not! We're full).

>>2913703
>Claim
It's called usucapião here, but requires a looong time (couple decades or so, not sure).

>>2913643 (OP)
This is literally a pigsty.

>>2920253
the lower floor it is, it was the heater of the living areas on the other floors
that way has been done for millennia

>>2920253
>This is literally a pigsty.
It is literally a shopped image, so we really don't know.

>>2913649
fpbp
>>2913643 (OP)
>How much of a pain in the ass would it be to buy and renovate something like this?
depends how you want to renovate it, it's like asking, how much of a pain in the ass is it to make a cake? depends how fancy you want it.
personally, i would be happy with basic repairs, ass wood frame windows and a wooden door. clean up the inside, no paint, no bs, wood stove. job's a good'un

>>2913643 (OP)
it looks cool, but it seems like its missing mortar so it'll be susceptible to water damage, and its very small which means that you'll be left with even less space inside after an insulation layer is added

>>2922578
>it seems like its missing mortar so it'll be susceptible to water damage
the granite walls? lol, that thing could perfectly be 100 years old or more

>>2922578
It's called a dry stone wall, or a drystack, ya dummy. They go back to since forever ago and they work because water doesn't get stuck and fuck everything up when it freezes. If a rock falls out, you just put it back.

>>2913643 (OP)
this hard
https://www.youtube.com/@MartijnDoolaard/videos
looks comfy

>>2913681
lol those people never stopped smoking in his vent and now hes looking for a new place

where do i find somewhat decent guys to help them with projects like this?
i can camp for months and help with whatever is needed, have some experience, no vices, would only need some food and water, don't work on sundays
might as well help someone who deserves help before i kill myself

>>2923216
Look up woofing. But expect to find lots of hippie types and druggies.

>>2923216
i am one of the guys like that are doing this kind of project, but mine will be stooped for a while, due permits and money
i actually would like to bring some likeminded people and make somewhat a revivial of the area, but not hippy people
dunno how to contact people as well and i explicitly want to avoid >>2923232
honestly my plan was to buy a barn for pennies and made a big workshop/lab that could be shared by /diy/ and /sci/ weirdos, but i know that is a non realistic dream
fuck sake i have seen so many big good lathes / mills etc for like 500€

>>2913643 (OP)
Its probably somewhere in shitaly. Fix the roof and youre good to go.

>>2923250
I didn't do woofing because I want to get paid for my work but I worked on a couple farms and agriculture related jobs in France and holy moly there's lots of druggies and crusty types, and I don't mean pot smokers, I mean actual crackheads and ketamin and even heroin addicts.
I don't do drugs and barely even drink but I shared housing with some of these people and even though they can be nice people and have their hearts on the right place they do have no control regarding drugs.
I guess those kinds of seasonal, poorly paid and labor intensive jobs are always going to attract a specific kind of people, lots of vagabonds, van lifers, etc and no matter where they came from, Italy, Spain, Poland 80% of them had trashy tattoos, dreads and used drugs daily.

>>2924340
i bought the house to one guy like that, fucks sake they didnt even clean the dry weed plants before showing me the house, or the beers and thrash everywhere
that is why i kind of why i want to avoid them, i know they are good people, that guy is adistant cousin of mine, but shit, if we were like a community of 10 having one like that wont be much of a problem but me alone is a crazy endeavor

>>2924343
Yeah I get you. You can still find some decent people on woofing, students doing gap year or guys/gals that want to pursue that kind of lifestyle and want to learn without having to fork out money on workshops, even IT burnouts kek.

>>2924347
but i cannot offer a farm lifestyle bc i dont practice myself
nor i have an actual place to put people in, bc again i am still getting a house done

Bros I didn't take the leap and the property just got sold to someone else, I'll need to look for land elsewhere. Maybe something better and consider getting a loan from the bank.

>>2925984
You might be interested in ardbol.es

I am not involved in this project but I took a look at it. Didn't do it because the plot your house is on will be rented. Which I understand as the people who started this project will want to avoid certain inhabitants. But to me that limits the amount I want to invest in the house too much.

>>2913643 (OP)
waste of time and money at 40k you can find good stuff in Italy Torino

>>2913643 (OP)
Solar panels can give you wiring. Be sure to seal the wir connections.
Now you will seal the cracks and provide air conditioning powered by the solar panels. This may make it comfortable as any apartment.

bump

>>2913690
>bad idea?

How much do you have to spend beyond purchase price? Are there tradesmen close by to work you can't do yourself? Can you do any of the work yourself?

>>2926411
>Go live with brown people
No thanks

>>2927139
i mean if you are willing to be in a shitty situation for a while and go building slowly, the average 4chan basement dweller could basically live off a house like that, sure

>>2917318
>grocery delivery
kek, those off-grid larpers get groceries delivered?

>>2931902
many of those live near actual villages towns and at least in northern spain you get guys selling shit in vans there, you get a convenience store van, bread and bakery van, fishery van, if you buy enough groceries and the road is ok they will go to your cabin too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo8_5d9yGq4

just wondering in this thread, maybe this channel is interesting for some of you

>>2932676
anon i dare you to count how many times it was mentioned kek

>>2917318
I found a guy that did some reno work on a workshop and at the end of the video he says it's not his workshop, and the owner disappeared so he's not getting paid. I laffed hard. Then there's a video where he makes an amphibious canoo and traverses a decent chunk of Scotland. I laffed hard again. Yes I'm jelly.

>>2913643 (OP)
>And how would you do it?

>>2913643 (OP)
Absolute waste of money. You can get property for around 100k across Europe with Hollywood movie star home potential. Knuckle down for a few more years and then make a move.

>>2933253
>Save every penny the next 5 years
>Inflation and other shit will have the same property priced at 250k
2008 tier economy crash is not happening any time soon so property prices will only continue sky rocketing. Land is a finite commodity, banks and blackrock will grab whatever is left.

>>2933275
These kind of semi rural properties tend to appreciate at a very slow rate, if they do at all in some areas. Either way 20k on an absolute dump like pic related is insanity. Maybe also check out those one Euro Italian house schemes.

>>2933302
>if they do at all
yeah usually the value gets worse because normies like to live with pekple and stuff around them and those villages and area are just on a decline
>one euro house scheme
Usually comes not only with the condition that you will actually live there but also that you have to make a sizeable investment. The 1€ house is a 20k€ house too, just that you don't have to pay the 20k for the house but youre forced to put it in. On the other hand you'll have to put at least that in if you don't want to live like someone homeless anyways. When you sleep in a ruin like that the only difference to a homeless person is that you own the ruin you're in and the other guy doesn't.

>>2933303
I'd personally be ok with slumming it as long as I knew I was on the right track and moving forward. Yes, I know you have to fix up those Italian jobs, but I'd rather invest my 20k In those and maybe a good bit less even, than a cowshed. Best option Is still to hold down four jobs for the next few years.

>>2933307
>cowshed
its not a fucking cowshed. those houses has way better potential than most. the initial state is not as good, but they are very solid houses, with tons of thermal mass, and usually with an structure very oversized, so you can do whatever with them
they are cheaper to do a full refurbishment than most houses, thanks to the clean state they are, if you dont go full retard and start changing shit that doesnt need to be changed, like changing the wood structure to a concrete one (you can put a slab of concrete in a wooden beam, in my are people seem to not get this)

>>2925984
shame man, i will post some photos of mine, next week. i am the galician anon
no fucking details that shows where i am as you may understant

>>2934823
We are discussing thIs specific structure, which Is In no way oversized as far as the pictures show. There seems to be very limited potential here, and from what I can see It's not worth the effort.

>>2913643 (OP)
>small EU village
kill yourself

>>2936318
I love Galicia so much it's unreal

>>2936321
eh for a single anon it will be more than ok. kinda expensive for the price, anyway he didnt get it
i think the goal is to avoid being in debt pointlesly half your life

>>2936328
?

>>2915421
>Where anon?
I'd no shit ask you for a quote
t living in a place where building are made out of ash and lime concrete but everyone you ask wants to drywall and latex the inside while sliding their concrete facade bro in your dms

>>2915421
>not protecting the beams
FAGGOT.

Galician anon here, shit was on fire pretty close and was a shitshow, no internet for days and is still way too smoky to do labor intensive shit
So sample photo of the wall my house, not the best looking part by far, as the best part is the front, but i dont feel confortable publishing the front view of my house in 4chin
Typical contruction here, granite and slate, with wooden beams in the inside, old and proven
>>2940539
how are you supposed to do that properly?
>>2940024
same man, everyone wants to cover all shit with concrete and use the shittiest drywall, or use old style bricks and concrete to cover the rock walls, like what is even the point on doing that?

this days i will ask for ideas, specially regarding the lime mortar application and shit, bc one side of the house is half buried and there is tons of humidity there

>>2940024
>>2940699
Same thing happened in my village in the 60s. All traditional houses, wood frame and sand stone or brick. People would unironically slap plastic extruded faux wood paneling on those or plaster everything over. Only so it looked 'modern' at no cost. Meanwhile the interior still looked the same which is really odd to begin with. Few decades later the shit begins to rot and crumble. It's a shame. Some new people moved in and chose to shoulder the expense of removing such /abo/ and restoring whats underneath. Which surprisingly comes out good. But I also still see people do retarded shit. Recently I came across a scene whwre someone knocked over the sandstone gate with original wooden gate into their courtyard. It had a keystone stating the date. It was 17th century so 16xx. They replaced it with something square and white.

>>2940699
Fuck bro shit has been rough here too, I hope you didn't get much fire damage.

>>2917222
Go with the better maintained house
Having to fix other people's problems gets old fast

>>2917222
The first one will end up at 30k just fixing the previous retard's tardations, then you get to build stairs and find out all the extra retard mementos on the 2nd floor
Nothing will be comfy
- t, 2 years into just redoing the wallpaper in the living room

>>2913643 (OP)
Any crusader or mason willing to find this church and vanquish this heathen from the land?

>>2937868
If your a fucking shepherd living with a flock. Sure live in a barn. Guaranteed you aren't gonna find your Mary in there though.

>>2940699
>this days i will ask for ideas, specially regarding the lime mortar application and shit, bc one side of the house is half buried and there is tons of humidity there
So, here i have the house sketch, the lower floor is carved on the granite ground rocks, and the hill the house is next to gets to half height of the first floor, in the old days they left a half meter ditch to have more light, or whatever
So we are manually excavating the ditch to get to the rock floor, so we can do a fucking drainage, bc the hill is very wet
Would it be wise to use hydraulic lime mortar on the wall that would be underground? the plan is to insulate it from the dirt with those egg crate like plastics, but i am open to more ideas.
I will post more later on

Also is there any way on using the ditch to get light on the lower floor? i have seen some light conducts products but are expensive as hell, like solar tubes, but my plan is to do it from outside

>>2940984
thankfully nothing at all, but was close

>>2913650
>It would be cheaper to build something new,
In EU not necessarily, because of the paperwork. It's usually much easier to get permit for reconstruction than for a new construction. Reconstruction that doesn't change outward appearance might not need permit at all.

>>2942914
we are like halfway...

Been looking at a lot of old abandoned properties and no one as good as this one has appeared again which kinda sucks.

At least managed to save a couple more thousand € but that doesn't do much because people looking at the same properties are hippies from Germany and Netherlands with much bigger savings or income than I.

>>2943493
if your area gets somewhat known by other europeans prices go to shit. I am glad that didnt happen to my area and i could get a cheap house. At least for now
We had overpriced shit in the 90s, bc a sort of touristic bubble paid with public money, but that died many years ago yet many old people still try to sell you a half fallen barn for 50.000€
(my family was still talking about that this week, some neighbors are trying to sell "their" barn for that price, and i mean "theirs" bc the public registry says that is ours, which it wasnt, but they dont want to fix it, so they cannot even legally sold it)
do you know people in the places you are interested? the best shit is the kind that you get when you speak with the locals, is not advertised anywhere

>>2928872
spaniarabia and moortugal have been Upper Africa for over a millenia

>>2943496
Yeah prices have gone to the shitter because every other northern European vanlifer, wannabe youtuber or hippy community types have decided to start moving here, and by here I mean Portugal as a country not necessarily my region because I live by the coast and there are no abandoned stone "houses" to be bough for 30k, and to be fair there were none even before the arrival of these off the grid types.
I saw a plot of farmland that was supposedly for sale and my father knew someone who knew the owner, the plot had no structure on it be had plenty of water, it was on a slope with a great view and close enough to my parents home so I wanted to make a offer on it but the property title turned out to be a mess, there were inheritance disputes between brothers and I sure as shit did not want the trouble of dealing with boomers that can't even agree between themselves.

Other than that everything I've been looking at is in the rural part the country and therefore far away from me so unfortunately I'll have to deal with a realtor if a hypothetical deal were to be made.
And as I've said I have not been able to find any property that fits what I want, well I've found some but are really dry, hot and featureless terrain nearby Spanish Extremadura and my goal is to find a plot of land that is more within Galicia-Castille border and at least has a river and mountains or hills not that far away.

>>2917318
I unironically considered building a hobo shed in my garden amongst the trees and making youtube videos about how I lived in it purely for the clicks
then after finishing larping I could walk 5m back to my playstation and tell mom I need some nugs

>half an acre of fruit trees
>Well
>50sqm ancient dwelling to renovate
>30k euros
Location isn't bad. It's rural but has plenty of services nearby.
If only it were not a pain in the ass and a money sinkhole to fix it.

>>2943794
>to fix it
You can't fix what is not broken.

>>2943498
Italy is the wrong color on your map.

>>2943797
Anon please.

>>2943833
There's nothing wrong with this agricultural shed.