Thread 2921039

who was in the wrong here?

Idk im not a roofer. But if i were id do it as fast as possible so i can get off the roof

I needed a new roof after a windstorm, could have gotten the whole thing covered by insurance by a team of illegals like my neighbor, but instead I paid twice as much for a team of white guys to do it, had to pay the difference out of pocket. This is the second time I feel vindicated, first time was when my liberal oregon uncle was griping about trump and how everyone will have to pay more for construction projects now, like the exploitation of illegals somehow gave him the moral high ground.

>>2921039 (OP)
it seems like the nails are in the right spot. if the nails are placed too high they wont go thru layer under the one being nailed. like in this webm, when he places the next sheet those nails go thru the black strip on the sheet underneath

>>2921039 (OP)
you for posting a social media screenshot which is shown to significantly reduce thread quality

>>2921039 (OP)
>who was in the wrong here?
Idiot who bought a roof made put of that shit.
He is putting nails in the black strip.
Oaxacan roof slave is doing his job.

The nail placement is correct. That way it goes through two layers of shingles and enables the black strip (which is glue) to do its job.
I'm jealous of his skill and speed.

>>2921040
i didnt know there was a single roofer left in existence that didnt use a nail gun
pop
pop
pop pop pop

>>2921060
he missed one nail completely, one is half on-half off, and the last one seems to be correct

>>2921039 (OP)
Nails are in the right place, you realise you could get this information from a shingle manufacturer website?
Very sloppy work however, I would fire that idiot immediately.
Also these shingles are terribly designed, but then it's US housing construction lmao

white boys could never

>>2921103
>no fall protection on that roof
White boys used to and then they thought better of it.

>>2921045
looks like you're right and the mexican is doing it correctly. however he's still sloppy and half the nails aren't even hitting the black row

>>2921039 (OP)
I was legit curious about this so i looked up the installation instructions. The nails are broadly in the correct position but its over nailed, the manufacturer recommends 4-6 nails depending on the tile starting .5 - 2 inches from the sides. I believe the nails are also meant to be driven to a specific depth neither proud or recessed but i can't tell if that's the case in the video

He missed this nail, then bent it over, then tried to pound it in anyway, then pulled it out, threw it on the ground and put a new one in.
I am a bit concerned by how much he's swinging that hammer around, scraping lots of rocks off no doubt. Also hard to believe that these are straight and lined up with how fast he's going, but you can't tell that from a 25 second video in the middle of the roof.
Why the fuck isn't he just using a nail gun like any sane roofer? He'd do a better job and go even faster. Did he practice this just for tiktok views or too lazy to find an outlet for the air compressor?

>>2921103
this is why i always ask proof of insurance before the beaners even step foot on my property

>>2921040
what the fuck are these shoes? the guy keeps slipping

>>2921103
i have and humpin' shingles in august suuuuucks let the illegals and machines do it

>>2921039 (OP)
roof tiles should be clay, stone or concrete. not cardboard

>>2921044
Have you seen the price of construction materials? Trump made everyone pay more for construction projects and it has nothing to do with illegals.

>>2921301
>i don't want my own manufacturing i wanna keep getting fucked by chinks and jews

>>2921301
>it has nothing to do with illegals
Meanwhile...
>20m illegals enter the country in 4 years
>they all need somewhere to live
>home prices and rents double everywhere virtually overnight due to simple supply and demand
>NOOOO IT'S MUH HECKIN CHEETO HITLER AND HIS UN-BASED TARIFFS!!!!! REEEEEEE
Have you considered chugging a gallon of bleach today by chance?

Getting my roof done here soon by a local company. Head guys are white, but I'm sure they'll have a couple mexicans on the crew. Getting a second layer of decking put on and going with pro panel metal roof. Wind has been fucking my shingles up and I'm 100% over it.

>>2921267
>Why the fuck isn't he just using a nail gun like any sane roofer?
his social media account wouldn't get views then

>>2921319
Much of the exploding real estate prices was due to companies like zillow buying the homes specifically to create a shortage in order to drive up asset prices. All politicians are equally culpable for not making this illegal.

>>2921319
Where do you get your 20 million figure? I'm doubting they lined up and counted off.

>>2921040
this is every mexican i've ever worked with: just slap shit together as fast as they can, quality be damned. automotive, roofing, construction, it's all the same.

>>2921295
which of those do you use for zero pitch roofing hmm?

>>2921319
There's more than 20 million empty homes. Illegals have nothing to do with housing prices.

>>2921560
That doesn't seem like very many empty homes, anon.

>>2921337
It's really hard to find an all white company that's good.

>>2921039 (OP)
thirdies think working fast == working hard

>>2921566
>slow is smoothe, smoothe is fast
Or more simplistically put, if you rush you fuck up and it takes longer to repair the fuckup than the entire job would have if you hadn't rushed it in the first place

>>2921577
Never redo your work, anon. Good rule to live by. It prevents fucking up in the first place.

>>2921064
You're one of those people who worships precision needlessly.
The nail placement is more than good enough.
Nailers also don't help you nail in a perfectly straight line or with perfectly consistent spacing.

>>2921605
if you nail to low or high you miss the nail strip on the back of the shingle that keeps the entire thing in place. You also end up leaving some nail heads exposed to the elements where they will rust and leak.

Using a hatchet is just a gimmick and showing shoddy work for the world to see only impresses the ignorant.

>>2921433
the long-standing figure before even trump's 1st term was 11 million, we know they always lie so we assume this is a lie, the figure was probably over 20 million even back then. They came over at 3.5 million per year for each of the 4 years of biden, these are the ones that lined up to be counted, assume there were another 1.5 million who didn't line up to be counted. We are now most likely over 40 million, so we can be pretty confident that roughly 10% of the people in this country are here illegally. That's a lot.

>>2921607
I know that -- look at the screenshot again. The nails are placed within the appropriate zone to both hit the glue strip and be covered by the next row of shingles. It doesn't matter one bit that they aren't in perfect alignment.

if its a shingle roof who gives a fuck, it's 10 year max lifetime trash anyway

>>2921560
>The current population of the United States of America is 347,114,248 as of Sunday, June 1, 2025
more immigrants will solve the problem

>>2921564
There's enough empty homes to house everyone in the US with plenty left over.

>>2921653
350 million people isn't very many in a country that's 3.81 million square miles.

>>2921772
>population compared to population density judged by an arbitrary value ignoring infrastructure and systems collapse
well done moshe

>>2921632
This

>>2921443
Stone.

>>2921774
Why don't you look up the population densities of a few other countries? All your fears are unfounded.

>>2921772
It doesn't account for practical and realistic housing, anon. Those houses could be shit choices that can't sustain the family (or people) living in them.

>>2922032
i once went to a listing in a city, the kitchen didnt have floorboards and you had to walk on the struts, $600 a month for a room with 4 other people in the house, 10 years ago

>>2921560
Your a fucking idiot goddammit.

The illegals are absolutely vital to the high housing prices. They sleep 4-8 adult wage earners in a house. They can afford to rent a house for 4000$ a month. Can you?

The entire reason n they're here is to propose up the boomers property 'investments'.

>>2921605
SAAR ACCURACY IS UNIMPORTANT
>Crashes into bridge

>>2922149
i'm renting a house by myself for $4400 no issue and am white, send them all back

>>2921039 (OP)
what exactly is the manufacturers warranty for grit covered tar paper roofs?
in normal countries we use that kind of roofing for garden sheds and it lasts about 10 years.
i can't imagine the warranty is worth much more than that or that it's even necessary.

>>2922149
You hate landlords, not aliens

>>2922151
Don't be obtuse. Precision is important to some degree appropriate to the task and not one wit more.
On a shingle, the strip you ought to hit is nearly an inch wide, and missing it a handful of times per roof isn't gonna matter at all.

>>2921437
It’s in their DNA or something
They get shit done and there is something admirable in just how quickly and eagerly they go about it.
But they have zero attention to detail, make an enormous mess, and it always falls apart within 5 years.
I know not a single Mexican who has ever read a manual in his life. They just get to work like some Aztec slave driver is going to scourge them with a cord of seashells if they hesitate for one second.
Kind of fascinating really

>>2922167
>what exactly is the manufacturers warranty for grit covered tar paper roofs?
>in normal countries we use that kind of roofing for garden sheds and it lasts about 10 years.
...wait are yanks using tarpaper for house roofing?

>c:TARNH

>>2922226
They like to take breaks and they like to have parties.

>>2922212
>Gee, where is that leak?

WHO REPORTED ME FOR HECKIN NOT COOL RACISM??? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2921045
Why do you want the nail to go through two sets of tiles? What does that achieve other than weakening the roofing and making replacing a single sheet of tiles without damaging another sheet much more difficult?

>>2921040
They put paper on a real house roof?

>>2923046
Are you talking about the ice and water shield? It is not paper or even tar paper anymore. More like a woven plastic sheeting from what I remember seeing.

>>2923042
Do you not know how asphalt shingles work? The nails hold down the mid portion of the top shingle and the back of the underlaying shingle. This holds the sealing strip tight while curing and provides extra support against wind.

>>2922149
This is true, i've heard it multiple times from independant people. Immigrants move in together and form some kind of trust then they just dump 5x income into a house to buy it. My mate worked adjacent to the mines and there was heaps of vietnamese welders who did this and there are nepalese nurses at my mothers work who do it aswell

>>2921566
There's a weird thing with a lot of these third world videos where people do a bunch of pointless flourishes. In the original video the guy spins his hatchet like 5 times and every indian video has people waving everything around theatrically

>>2921060
>enables the black strip (which is glue) to do its job.
That only works if you pull the plastic off of it which he didn't do.

>>2923201
You are not supposed to remove it. Pretty much all manufacturers state to leave it on

https://documents.gaf.com/technical-bulletins-&-notes/r-106-clear-plastic-release-film-leave-on-or-take-off.pdf

>>2923397
When the only way that you can make your argument is to lampoon your opponents argument, you have lost the argument.

>>2921772
the usa was much comfier with less than 300million people.

>>2923442
what if your opponent's argument is retarded?

>>2923762
Not an argument.

>>2923772
did you just lampoon my argument?

>>2922167
>>2922252
Typical shingles have a 20 year service life.
They do make 50 year shingles which are a lot more durable but few people buy them. The reason is that Americans don't live in a house for more than a few years, so they don't bother investing in long term functional improvements. Instead they invest in superficial things that will boost resale value.

>>2923107
>asphalt shingles
I can't accept these things. I see people complaining of murrican stick houes and that does seem bad too but i can understand it.
But shingles look like they're made to rot and fail

>>2923788
As an owner, if you intended the spend the money for 50 year shingles just get a metal roof instead. As a builder they make no financial sense. That is why no one wants them.

>>2923847
As with all things in American construction it is entirely down to cost. It is cheap, fast to install, and can be nailed down by any semi-skilled modestly high functioning alcoholic with a third grade education. The developer saves on price, time, and labor. The faster and cheaper they can knock out a house, the faster they can sell it. This reduces their exposure and reduces the number of loan payments they need to make before they can pay off the loan.

>>2921039 (OP)
Bikers fault

>>2923762
Your argument was retarded. I indulged you.

>>2923757
The population is not what has affected your level of comfort.

>>2921772
>350 million people isn't very many in a country that's 3.81 million square miles.
150 million of those people shouldn't even be here.

>>2923876
>As an owner, if you intended the spend the money for 50 year shingles just get a metal roof instead. As a builder they make no financial sense.
True, metal roofing is preferred, BUT if you live in a high snow area it needs to be carefully considered if it will actually work for your house due to snow/ice sliding.
Chimneys? Vent pipes? Gutters? They may get ripped right off.
Roof above another roof? Expect some big dents in the lower roof.
Then you need to invest in snow stops which is another can of worms where a lot of things can go wrong if improperly designed/attached.
In that case a 50 year shingle is a better solution.
They do make "stone coated? metal these days, which may provide enough friction to stop snow sliding, but I don't know.

>>2923903
snow must be hell

>>2923928
nah it's fun, ice sucks though

>>2921772
You know whats weird is that we had just pver half the population in the 1960s. straight up most of the fuckers out there didnt exist. We need to keep people in small boxes at this rate.

>>2921040
why are americans so obsessed over fast and quick work like its something to brag about when its always shit'n cheap work?
my house was buildt in '58 with asphalt subroof and asbestos tiles, its still holding on but im replacing it with steel. gonna leave the old subroof, roll a new one over it then crossbrace it and steel tile panels on top of that. a week or so of slow tedious work but thats how your roof last 70 years without maintendance. shingles are almost never used here.

>>2923961
Theres a lot of tension over these dollars man. People work for somebody taking a cut on their labor who wants it done fast and well enough to not get sued. the person buying the roof wants the best one for as cheap as possible. Everybody wants to go home and the bills keep piling up. Money money money. Despite all that most things get done pretty ok over here and there are still trustworthy dudes who want to make things last. You can’t really talk if you’re doing it on your own time.

>>2922149
it's a factor I guess, but it's nothing compared to funds like blackrock buying them on masse using money freshly printed for them

>>2923901
You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

>>2923960
Humans double their population about every half century so that's completely normal.

>>2921039 (OP)
>slate roofing
>all problems suddenly fixed
>all illegals out of a job
>slate lasts 100+ years
>asphalt lasts 10
Don't flex how you're loaded and smart if you cheap out on the essential part of your shelter

>>2924069
>>all problems suddenly fixed
slate also has snow sliding issues which require countermeasures in high snow areas.

>>2924073
not needed
snow guards are not unique to slate, they're also used for asphalt shingles, and I live where it's winter for half a year and never seen them installed

>>2924077
They're not needed for asphalt shingles because the grit of the shingles prevents snow from sliding.

What causes "snow" sliding is melt water between it and the roof surface which allows the slab to hydroplane.down the slope

I use "snow" in quotation marks because in a high snowfall areas it's really a compacted slab of snow/ice like a glacier.

For this reason any smooth surface roof has dangerous snow slide problems. Aside from snow guards, the other solution is to design the roof with steep slopes which prevent the snow from accumulating and self-compacting in the first place.

In pic related the slab on the porch roof will slowly creep forward until it breaks under self weight which would crush anything below. If it were a little steeper like 4:12 to 6:12 the entire slab could suddenly slide off which is even more dangerous.

>>2924057
Rents have been 4-6k in California for 20byears before Blackrock was doing shit. You're just getting enough of them outside of california you're noticing. Blackrock can't charge more rent than the market can bare

>>2924114
I'm not talking about rent, I'm talking about houses becoming "investment properties", investment funds being first in line to the money printer, quantitative easing, etc. being the main thing that drives real estate prices. it was all made possible by abandoning the gold standard in the 70s and things have been getting gradually worse since then.

>>2924114
>>2924114
>Blackrock can't charge more rent than the market can bare
They're not buying to rent, they're buying to control the market.
The powers that be realized that if you own all 100 homes in a suburb, it's cheaper and a better return to only rent 8 of them for 100x the profit.
Rich people and markets are retarded though, so they'll do this even while it breaks the entire system and fucks them in the end.

>>2924115
For sure. The money supply is retarded and they are hiding the inflation in property values to make the boomers feel like its actually good

Blackrock is buying all the homes the boomers died in and trying to keep the dream going

>>2922200
Why's it gotta be one or the other?

>>2922285
Just make sure it's cool racism next time

>>2924073
Metal roofs are objectively better in the north.

>>2924211
On a steep slope, yes, but on lower roof slopes the sliding glaciers have great destructive potential. I've seen many cases where people upgraded their asphalt shingles to a metal roof without considering this, resulting in having to spend additional money on repairs and then snow stops, and I've seen many failed snow stops because those systems need to be properly engineered to withstand the great forces involved.

On a low slope in snowy areas high grade asphalt shingles or modified bitumen roll are a better investment.

>>2924276
If they're built right you'll get no ice dams and they'll shed snow and are easier and safer to rake.

>>2921621
>did not consult the red lines award

>>2925021
I don't care about the red lines. I care about the actual nail strip, which also doesn't care about the red lines.

>>2921039 (OP)
you

>>2923042
otherwise it will rip right off the house in a year. Start looking around and you'll see where somebody did that or didn't use enough nails, a new hackjob that's already failing.

>>2923961
Anyone can do good work, a professional does good work fast.

>>2925038
If only the red lines were being used to illustrate some concept... If only they were following on from a visible part of the image to align with the ground truth of the situation...

>>2921064
retard. precision is very important. sloppy work like this is what causes all new builds to fail inspections.

>>2925083
shut the fuck up office boy

>>2925143
oh no. i triggered pedro. tell me how valuing good quality labor makes me an office worker? are you delusional?

>>2925078
yeah it'd be great if the red lines matched the actual nail strip, but they don't, so they're useless.

>>2925083
How precise do you need it to be? To the nearest centimeter? Millimeter? Should the roofers be measuring the position of each nail? Should they make sure their pencils are nice and sharp before drawing each extra-fine "x" right where the nails go? Should they center punch each one also to prevent the nail from drifting?

>>2925184
obviously not. they are nails and this is a roofing job. what does matter is a general sense of precision without sloppily pounding a random quantity of nails per shingle. you either get things done quick (less precise) or you get them done right (more precise). that is what i mean.

>>2925188
The nails are on the strip so it's done right. these are shitty asphalt shingles, noone cares about quality here

>>2925052
>a professional does good work fast.
A professional does "good enough" work fast.
Good enough to get paid for it, not necessarily good enough that their work will stand the test of time.

>>2923961
Nobody gives a SHIT about quality, only profit. On the flipside, Japanese construction often involves facing 2x4 beams in the direction they originally grew, out of respect for the fuckin' tree.

>>2922252
Yeah it’s so manufactures/installers can save money and raise the price of the house. Just like healthcare and welfare (subsidized black people) it’s a system made to wage war on whities.

>>2925400
Now you're just making shit up.

>>2925292
An artisan makes either stuff that will last or look impressive as hell

>>2923961
You're talking about production homes, which probably do account for the majority of homes being built. The production home industry is almost entirely brown, but a lot of good subs use production homes to keep their guys busy throughout the year. The rest of the homes being built are all pretty good. There are still plenty of builders employing white men and building excellent homes, but they are expensive. My beef with modern construction is the use of materials like MDF and OSB instead of solid wood boards and plywood and also spray foam insulation. I also do not approve of the modern man's fascination with sealing everything. Shit needs to breathe or you get mold really bad. You WILL get leaks over time. OSB does not make good "bones". It's good for a few years and then it readily deteriorates. Pests and fungus love it because the glue and soft wood. It is poor at handling moisture over time. Same with MDF. Spray foam totally eliminates your ability to monitor the condition of your infrastructure and makes taking your house apart a complete bitch. Quality plywood and T&G sheathing are much better in the long run because they are stronger and they will last longer. This is important because a lot of building code allows you to replace your roof or siding without a permit as long as you don't touch the sheathing.

>>2925292
So it follows that a good professional does good work fast. Hire one of those.

>>2924069
Slate has the same problems as clay tile, which is they used to install it without hangers or fasteners. Over time it migrates down and falls off. Even if 90% of the roof stays in place huge holes open up and let a huge amount of water in.

This isn’t a problem with modern installations because we have the tools to cut or drill clay/slate quickly without breaking it.

But older houses with slate or clay roofs will almost always need to be completely replaced.

I know this because I own an over 100 year old house and I had to get my roof replaced because it was being damaged very quickly and severely from the water POURING in every time it rained.

Joists and studs have twisted and popped out of place. Entire sections of the house has rotted out. Etc.

Butttt it’s actually much easier to repair all that because wood is cheap and a roof isn’t.

>>2925338
Muh Japan

They also have like 12 people to house and any building outside of a city is going to be squat rural shitbox made with actual paper walls (at least Americans use paper sandwiches made of soft rock powder, japs literally just stretch paper between two pieces of wood and call it a day.)

>>2923847
>But shingles look like they're made to rot and fail
Way more often than not, if they fail, it's cause they blew off. And double nailing helps with that.

Murrican windstorms are a bitch and a half and impact basically the whole country.

>>2921039 (OP)
what kind of professional roofer doesn't just use a nailgun though?
>>2921042
there's a reason roofers have high insurance costs. Doing things fast is how you get hurt.

>>2923333
wtf. I reshingled my roof last year and pulled all the strips. Oh well, I'm sure it's fine.

>>2921560
>muh empty homes
I fucking hate NPCs who just repeat shit they heard without even thinking about it. Have you ever bothered to look into that number? Just think, why are those houses empty? Is it because for some reason somebody wanted to have 20 million perfectly good houses sitting around deteriorating as opposed to earning income from rent?
Pic-related, go buy that house if you want.

BTW it's not just illegal immigrants. It's all immigrants. We're fucking full.

>>2922200
I don't hate immigrants I'm just not some kid who thinks our country can handle unlimited immigration without hurting our standard of living.
what I hate the most though are gullible NPCs like you who are destroying your own future because rich people told you it's racist to want affordable housing.

>>2925785
>He actually believes this bullshit as Blackrock buys everything up to make it more expensive for everyone just so they can win Capitalism a little harder
You're a good little brainwashed, aren't you?

>>2925794
>trust me bro there are definitely 20 million perfectly good houses that are just sitting off the market
>no, my source for this is NOT a source that included houses on the market, houses being renovated before being put on the market, or vacation homes
lol yeah I'm the brainwashed one.
Just for lulz, care to cite a source that there are 20 million homes which are up to code yet off the market and aren't being used as vacation homes or for other purposes? Where are these homes anyway? There aren't any where I live. You'd think with 20 million of these they wouldn't be hard to come across.

>>2925785
>>2925868
>Rich people don't own multiple homes
>The bank doesn't own tons of defaulted homes
>House flippers don't exist
>Speculative real estate doesn't exist
>Landlords don't exist or always have tenants
You grew up never having to think, huh?

>>2925871
>Rich people don't own multiple homes
those are vacation homes you fucking child, those aren't "sit on an empty house for some reason" homes
>defaulted
and then they put those homes into foreclosure auctions. They are on the market, go buy one. FFS how are you even having this discussion if you don't know something as basic as this? What possibly makes you think your opinion carries any weight when you know nothing at all about the housing market?
>house flippers
how can you flip a house if you don't put it on the market? They buy a run down shithole house like >>2925785 (often in a foreclosure auction), spend time and money renovating it, and then guess what? PUT IT ON THE FUCKING MARKET. It doesn't just sit around empty.
>Speculative real estate
either the above or it's a rental unit
>Landlords just sit on empty units without putting them on the market

oooo but a 19-year-old is being smug on the internet so I guess none of the above matters and there are totally 20 million homes in livable condition sitting there empty for no reason!
We need to raise the voting age to 25. People whose understanding of the real world is as childish as yours don't need to vote.

>>2921103
Am I supposed to find this exceptional?
I did riskier shit hanging Christmas lights with Hillbillies.

>>2921429
>Much of the exploding real estate prices was due to companies like zillow buying the homes specifically to create a shortage in order to drive up asset prices
While that is a problem, it's not as big a problem as reported. Much of the exploding real estate prices is due to price fixing within the market, e.g. realpage, and also the airbnb bubble.

Also increasing population running up against shitty NIMBY codes, under-investment in public and low income housing, and there being zero market incentives to build cheaper homes.

>>2921319
>20m illegals enter the country in 4 years
>they all need somewhere to live
Who the fuck do you think is building all the homes? Also that 20 million shit is a ghost story xenophobes tell themselves. Illegal leave almost as often as they come, either willingly or by being deported. The total illegal population hasn't changed munch in well over a decade.

>>2925875
>why the fuck would you mine diamonds if you aren't going to put them on the market?
>Obviously diamonds are actually rare and the amount on the market is an actual reflection of their availability.

>>2925943
It wad 10 million in 2005. I can see there is more outside. That's why you're crying about this housing shit to begin with and you're telling me I'm imagining it at thw same time?


America for Americans. Fuck off we're full. Go ride a helicopter commie scum. Suck stalins dicj gmbefore he executes you

>>2925972
How do you see that, exactly? Do they have signs? Maybe a little yellow six pointed star that they have to wear so it's easy to tell which is which? You seem angry.

>>2925980
Because there's 10 cars parked in the driveway and it's way worse than it was even in the bad old days.

You are a smooth brain retard telling to not believe my lying eyes

>>2926000
So why haven't you called ICE? You still haven't told us how you know these people are illegals.

>>2921039 (OP)
My apartment was built by mexicans and its a piece of shit. I used to live near the Amish, those houses were amazing despite no mexicans for miles

>>2923442
>When the only way that you can make your argument is to lampoon your opponents argument, you have lost the argument.
NTA but I think you just lost the argument, by your own standard

>>2923788
>The reason is that Americans don't live in a house for more than a few years, so they don't bother investing in long term functional improvements
Americans also dont have children, why would they need a house to last more than 20 years? The world is over once they die, as far as they care

>>2925785
how much to bulldoze that and park a doublewide on the land? or would that violate some ordinance and the government prefers to have that piece of shit rot there forever?

>>2925875
>those are vacation homes you fucking child, those aren't "sit on an empty house for some reason" homes
Incorrect. You have never met a rich person.

>and then they put those homes into foreclosure auctions. They are on the market, go buy one.
Which are held by?... Banks and kept empty until they're sold. And they're bought by?... Landlords and house flippers who parasitically raise the cost of rent or mortgage for everyone.

>They buy a run down shithole house
No they do not. They usually buy a perfectly fine house, ruin it with half assed DIY "renovations" and then put it on the market for twice as much. You have never met a house flipper.

>either the above or it's a rental unit
You know nothing about real estate.

>No argument for why entire apartment buildings are empty for years at a time.
Maybe come back to this conversation when you have more life experience.

>>2925785
>>2925871
>>2925875
>>2926141
Isn't the reason so many homes are empty just going to be that people have centralized more and moved away from the country to the city? All these explanations you're both coming up with are things people try to do with this leftover real estate, but it doesn't solve the fact that while they are homes that exist, they are not useful homes for most people.
By the way, these are the rates of reasons for a home being empty:
>vacation home: 33%
>vacant for rent: 27%
>vacant for sale: 10%
so both of your arguments have some merit, but you're arguing on the level of just asserting things rather than backing it up with anything.
Immigrants mostly live in cities too, so the overall housing vacancy rate is not really relevant here.

>>2926148
As a final addendum, the disrepair rate is 10%-20%.

Amerifarts unironically think this qualifies as a roof? As in: you put that on real houses and not just garden sheds?

>>2921039 (OP)
Ironic the tweet OP is criticizing a Mexican while making a tweet with god awful English.

>>2923847
American roofs generally lasts 25-30 years.
That that as you will.

>>2925785
That's basically a buy the land to tear down the "house" and build a new one.

>>2921577
>[6 words]
>Or more simplistically put, [29 words]

>>2921632
>if its a shingle roof who gives a fuck, it's 10 year max lifetime trash anyway
That makes it worse actually, you probably wont be retired in 10 years. Whoever goes to replace your work can show everyone what a shit job you do and cost you business. If it were a fifty year roof then you wont be around to deal with the consequences

>>2925943
>xenophobes
Do retards still use this word unironically? Honest question
Can you seriously not comprehend not wanting your land to be not just overrun in general, but with individuals so distinctly opposed to your own culture that their mere presence rapidly changes the face of your nation?
You're a huge intellectual fraud buddy

>>2926231
That word is only 100 years old, why can't it be used now? You're using words both older and younger, does that make you a retard?

>>2926258
I know you're a retarded commie but can't you read and comprehend English?

I guess not maybe you're chinese

>>2926269
Interesting how a gatekeeper of language and vocabulary doesn't know how to use a simple comma or a period. Maybe you're the Chinese one here?

>>2921433
it was 18 million in 4 years.
Yeah, they lined up for foodstamps

>>2926015
probably about 250k in todays market.
20k for demo and disposal, 4k for earthworks, 200k for a double wide moved.

>>2926275
Forgot to turn VPN on

>>2926148
>Isn't the reason so many homes are empty just going to be that people have centralized more and moved away from the country to the city?
No. The city is where you find the majority of empty homes. I knew a guy that was the only tenant in an apartment that could house hundreds. There were enough abandoned houses and apartment buildings around my neighborhood growing up that I would break into them with my friends for fun. One of them was a moron polygamist home that had been raided by the police. I know a guy who owns dozens of properties with homes across the US that he hasn't visited in decades. If you truly believe that 33% of vacant homes are vacation homes then you must also believe that the rich are on vacation 24/7.

>>2926366
>No. The city is where you find the majority of empty homes.
You're asserting that, but can you actually back that up with anything? "I saw some empty apartments in the city" is just anecdotal, and that reliance on anecdotes is what I am suggesting is causing you two to talk past eachother.
>If you truly believe that 33% of vacant homes are vacation homes then you must also believe that the rich are on vacation 24/7.
That's what surveys report. You got a better answer?

>>2926390
Simply never believe anything a communist devil worshipper says. It is not your time

>>2926258
You argue semantics instead of the reality of ideas, that is why I called you retarded, you dishonest retard

>>2926448
You literally said "honest question," and I tried to answer your question. Yes. People still use that word. It isn't archaic, or newly coined. That isn't semantics. It's what you asked for.

>>2926231
>Can you seriously not comprehend not wanting your land to be not just overrun in general
There isn't a land shortage, nor is there a job shortage, nor is there a food shortage, nor are immigrants the cause of the water shortage, and immigrants are the ones solving our housing shortage. If we lived in an actually overpopulated country or a country dealing with shortages of key resources, I could understand border controls. But we do not, so why the fuck would I be for keeping people out?
>but with individuals so distinctly opposed to your own culture that their mere presence rapidly changes the face of your nation?
I dunno. You're allegedly part of my culture, but I think you suck eggs. I would rather live next to someone from halfway across the world than you. Different and bad aren't the same thing and cultural exchange is good, actually.

More to the point, the idea that my culture would stay the same is existentially horrifying. Only dead cultures don't change.

>>2926498
I too welcome the brown conservative catholics from the developing world. They will easily replace you and they obey the law.

The mussies can fuck off though. They're literally going to stab you in the back once they hit 50.1% of the population

>>2926498
The worst part is that none of our actual problems have anything to do with immigrants. We aren't getting poorer because of even poorer people. We're getting poorer because rich white people can't help but hurt everyone else to take more and more for themselves. And they use culture war shit to make us mad at each other.

>>2926314
You can only get food stamps if you're a us citizen

>>2926390
>You have to post proof of your argument!
>I do not need to post proof of my argument.
I hope you understand that you lost and why I stopped responding.

>>2926826
Yep, they pay taxes but can't get any benefits from them.

>>2926561
>rich white people
You mean the ones that don't call themselves white?

>>2926827
I will interpret this as a no.

>>2926834
No, I don't. Or are you claiming Musk and Bezos aren't white?

>>2921279
why do you even hire them?

>>2921319
Look at a population growth chart for once in your life. There is no massive jump in demand that destroyed these markets. I know you’ve been programmed for a long time, but think for a minute… get a shred of information to work on.

>>2925972
>I can see there is more outside
Jesus Christ… our society is so fucked. You are trying to wrap your mind around a problem 400million people and 3000 miles wide… and you’re fully confident in your opinion… because you… looked outside???

Thank god our country used to produce people better than you or we never would’ve got to the moon. At least we have that as a high water mark I suppose.
>noooo, it’s impossible to shoot a rocket to the moon jethro… I like, looked outside, and can see there’s stars and stuff in the way!!! You’re not gonna convince me with your education and fancy degrees!!! I can see the truth. You think you’re better than me!!

>>2925785
Give me the property and I'll fix it up.

>>2926170
The house I live in now burnt down and a new home was built on top of the foundation.

I have an original basement and an all new (70s) ground level.

>>2921039 (OP)
That's the kind of roof you put on your garden shed where I come from.

>>2926966
NTA but
1) Bezos isn't an evil pedophile landlord as far as I'm aware.
2) Oak Tree himself claims to be a "fellow white person."
If you're going to be dense then no I will not answer your question directly.

>>2927957
So, you're just going to be full of shit and try to turn this into something unrelated to the statement?

>>2928014
Pot, meet kettle. Either you know what I was referencing and you are pretending to be retarded, or you don't know and you need to lurk /pol/ more before posting about racial issues.

>>2921064
you forgot to correct for radial lens distortion

>>2928128
I never go on /pol/ because it's a cesspit. The fact you think anything of value is said there, or that I should comply with your bullshit, is a you problem.

>>2926561
>We aren't getting poorer because of even poorer people
The median income trap is very real unfortunately. More poor people means poorer social services and lower living standards for most people. When you import lower wage earners you lower living standards for the poor and working class to the benefit of the upper-middle and rich.
>but we'll tax the rich
That has never happened. They'll all flee to Brazil before they give you a nickel.

>>2928744
No one cares Elsa, let it go.

He is doing it correctly though, some dude is a fat neckbeard basement dweller but thinks he knows better lol

>>2928752
If nobody cares why are you posting?

>>2928744
Yes, and that happens because top marginal tax rates were drastically cut in in Reagan's era by policy written by the same org that wrote Project 2025.

There is no significant difference in the ratio of illegal immigrant workers now than there was then. They also do not receive ANY welfare benefits of any kind.

We're not in a crisis of "too many workers." We're in a crisis of a massive wealth transfer from the people to an elite few.

>>2928755
>some dude is a fat neckbeard basement dweller but thinks he knows better lol
Yeah, the dipshit swallowing the "we just need to do trickle down economics even harder!" bullshit hook, line, and sinker.

>>2928809
Don't come to gulag tomorrow, you're pretty cool.

>>2921301
20 dollars for a fucking 3/8 drill bit. Shit suuuuucks

>>2930735
What fucking brand are you buying? You can get a solid set of DeWalts for $10.

>>2923899
Correct. The ethnicity of population has.

This is the worst board on all of 4chan.

>>2921103
I fell 2.5m off a roof 2 weeks ago and have a fractured vertebrae, wrist and a fucked shoulder. One slip with this and you are truly buggered.

>>2928249
/pol/ is literally 5 years ahead of any given Overton window, maybe reddit is more your speed?

>>2921040
You only need 3 nails per shingle. Waste of time and money to hire retarded beaners.

>>2923107
Those are instructions for an entirely different type of shingle numbnuts. This is why beaners gotta go.

>>2931482
Don't you have sewage to wallow in?

>>2931503
You seem upset pal, everything ok?

>>2931032
Yeah, people forget how dangerous it actually is.
I was once in a hospital with a construction worker, who fell from ~ 3rd floor. He broke some bones and damaged organs. He had a surgery but the stitching was bad, so the wound got infected and had to be restitched in our hospital.

>>2922226
>always falls apart within 5 years.
maybe you guys shouldn't build houses from cardboard

>>2921103
Nobody with an iq over 90 would ever do that shit. Fucking steep ass roofs, I hate them. A house I lived in years ago had a steep tiled roof. I went up there to install a camera that covered the yard up at the peak and it was scary as shit. I only went up there when absolutely necessary.

>>2923788
>Typical shingles have a 20 year service life.
>They do make 50 year shingles which are a lot more durable but few people buy them. The reason is that Americans don't live in a house for more than a few years, so they don't bother investing in long term functional improvements. Instead they invest in superficial things that will boost resale value.
Wrong. The reason nobody buys a fucking 50 year shingle is because what is the point of buying it if you have to replace it every 20 years to maintain your insurance coverage anyway?

T. lived in Florida. You see cheap roofs there because it doesn't fucking matter if you put a fancy buy it for life bullshit roof on it, if it's 30 years old your insurance is going to drop your ass like a hot potato.

>>2921039 (OP)
Spics are the absolute bane of civilization's existence. They will destroy an and ALL infrastructure they have access to. Boomers love brown thirdie handyman and gardeners because they're cheap, but they do an AWFUL job. Spics are always claiming they throw toilet paper in the garbage because they have bad plumbing, but that is 100% a spic skill issue and they should be shitting outside like animals. Any plumbing a spic user OR "plumber" has access to they WILL destroy within a few months.

>>2931618
And I'm supposed to care about keeping up the insurance scam, because? either build a storm proof house or just live in a cardboard box that you rebuilt every time, either way you don't need a jew's promise that he'll totally pay you back 1% of what you gave him when your sticks and drywall house blows away.

>>2921044
Yeah I find it one of the weird arguments, like if you want $5/kg bananas have to have a permanent underclass of underpaid exploited workers in poor conditions who are on top illegal immigrants while smugly saying that no locals/citizens want to do those jobs, like bro that is a market distortion and should not exist, when you exhaust every legal method to optimize growing and picking, then you simply can't have $5/kg bananas instead of $10/kg bananas

>>2931687
You literally do for 99% of mortgages

>>2931003
It's good though

Why do so many amerimutts seem to think only Mexicans can be good roofers? They aren't even real roofers, all they do is just nail shingles to plywood. Haven't seen any footage of the "fabled mexican elite" roofers doing steel/zinc/copper/terracotta etc. I'd be surprised of any of the tacos even knew how to use a pair of tin snips or riveters lmao.

>>2921443
Zinc, copper or steel is what is typically used in the developed world.

>>2931687
Because you aren't independently wealthy and able to afford a house in cash, so since you must finance it your bank REQUIRES it dumb fuck. And further, you need the insurance anyway because, like I said, you're not independently wealthy so you can't afford to just out of pocket major repairs or completely rebuilding the house if a storm damages or destroys it. And don't start eurosperging about how your stone house will be just fine, if an F2+ tornado rolls through your house is going to be severely damaged regardless of whether it was built by stone masons 250 years ago or mexicans today.

>>2931650
Be careful I got LE BANNED for LE RACISM for making such a factual statement on this rat infested board

>>2924069
Can't put a heavy slate roof on my papier-mache and 5-year-grown Turbo-Pine matchstick house anonie

>>2925709
This is the real reason, other than insurance, why we don't use slate.
In Britain, they hardly get wind. Even inland states in the United States get extraordinary amounts of wind, where a roof will blow off regularly. Ironically, if every single shingle is glued to the roof, then that doesn't happen, so in our environment, paper and tar shingles are longer lasting.

>>2926000
>I know they're illegal! I just know it!
Hey, retard.
Ever heard of community housing? They could just be recently homeless and blessed enough to get into a halfway house instead of sleeping in their car.

Your eyes don't lie, your brain does. It tells you that you know exactly what you're seeing, without question. You should tell your brain to actually interpret what you're seeing. You're like my grandpa, posting photos of little brown girls wearing bright pink, outside, walking their bikes across the street, assuming they stole the bikes and are illegal immigrants.

>>2923901
>150 million
Literally half
Holy shit where do conservatives get their numbers.

>>2926149
>10-20
That's a HUGE margin. Big enough that those numbers came out of your ass.
In 2020, there were 13,681,156 vacant homes.
Of those:
3,785,976 were for Rent, unoccupied.
394,647 were RENTED, but unoccupied.
1,204,536 were for sale ONLY, unoccupied.
546,671 were SOLD, but remained unoccupied.
4,359,731 were for "seasonal" use.
26,425 were for migrant workers (Would you look at that, a fraction.)
3,363,170 were "other" vacant homes, which had no listed use timeline or goals.

There was no specific list of homes in disrepair by the Census Beareau, because if it's in legal disrepair, and considered untenable, there's no reason to count it on the census, and there's no one to ask about it.

>>2926448
>Honest question
>Asks question
>Gets upset when someone answered his honest question with an actual answer.
Are you playing righteous indignation on purpose? You are the most dishonest person, because you're the only person not taking the discussion seriously by asking 'sarcastic' questions, then you get all sanctimonious when you're unironically answered
It's no one's fault but yours that you're upset right now.

>>2931650
>{Oddly specific anecdote} (applied to all of the members of a group)
You don't understand how your beliefs are based on a lack of experience, not a broad experience?
I live in the Southwest, not far from the border. I meet a lot of Mexicans. I've literally NEVER heard this in my life. To clarify, I'm close enough to the border to have road signs with ñ on them.

>>2921103
>Shiiieeet who tf need OSHA?

>>2934176
There are other studies beyond the census, and they find a range of homes in "disrepair". As low as 10% or as high as 20%. The reason for this is that "disrepair" as far it stands as a reason for disuse is difficult to define rigorously.

>>2934169
200 million was the population before hart-cellar started the great poo profusion
200+150=350
If it's brown, flush it down

>>2925785
I Googled that address. It’s being renovated from the looks os “street view”.

>>2926014
>Americans also dont have children
All my WAT? What are you on about? I have exactly two (2). One of each model and both are White®.

>>2931497
Instructions are for 3 tab shingles, he's installing a version of 3 tab shingles. Clearly the only one who is a soic here is you

>>2934168
I work for the cable company. There's like 20 fucking adults living here with 6 separate cable services, one for every room on the house. Most everyone sleeps in a sleeping bag they roll up every night

Guess you have no idea how the other people live.

It is a smart way to make a ton of money.
That is exactly why parking is impossible though. And there are housing limits, they're just not being enforced because these are all the districts you'd think they are.

>>2934305
>Making shit up

>>2928128
>you need to lurk /pol/ more

Are you 14 or a retard perhaps?

>>2923901
Just think what some Cherokee somewhere is thinking about you and everyone you're related to right now, paleface...

>>2934883
So it's a completely valid position? If you let the invader in they're gonna fuck you over?

>>2925338
man im a huge weeb but be real, that's an exception to the rule.

>supposed to start at the top and work down so you aren't standing on the freshly place shingles that are molten hot tar on a hot day
>swinging an axe at supersonic speeds. Please just use a hammer
>no tie-off
>just nail a 2x10 into the roof to stand on

He is fast though.
I guess if it leaks right away, then they might have a warranty

>>2925781

>there's a reason roofers have high insurance costs

It's the meth

>>2936127
How are you.supposed to cover up the last row of holes if you start at the top

>>2936131
capping shingles
just google it
you start at the top, but place the top layer of shingles on each side of the ridge, then cover with capping shingles

>>2936150
What the fuck


This isna problem going up the entire roof not just he very last. The last row as in the row you just did. You say you start at the top. How the fuck do you nail you new row of shingles down.

Do you put them on top of the ones above so water doesn't go down the roof. Do you just nail right through the shingle so there's exposed nails.

Do you fold it over so you break the shingle. I can't comprehend this.

I've only done a bit of new roofing, but I've had to fix several Mexican and Samoan "new roofs", and at least two after they had come back to "fix" it at least once.

First thing a real roofer will teach you is how to lay the bundles so they don't slide off (couple wedges, but you can also stack them using the bottom as wedge) and you can grab the next one off the stack etc WITHOUT AN EXTRA WETBACK on the job (using a stick with a little "hook" notch to slide off stack to your grasp). If you are using nail gun like a Whyte Mann, the stick also helps position and hold tile in place with your weight (stick bowed so fingers wrap so just comfy palm weight is ergometric) because it will put nice pressure on two distant points, and the stick also keeps gun from sliding off roof.

Also, don't be nailing so fast you are fucking up and bending over nails and making holes in the tiles. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. They guys that sink the most nails are smooth, not Mexican panic "fast".

I've only done a bit of new roofing, but I've had to fix several Mexican and Samoan "new roofs", and at least two after they had come back to "fix" it at least once.

First thing a real roofer will teach you is how to lay the bundles so they don't slide off (couple wedges, but you can also stack them using the bottom as wedge) and you can grab the next one off the stack etc WITHOUT AN EXTRA WETBACK on the job (using a stick with a little "hook" notch to slide off stack to your grasp). If you are using nail gun like a Whyte Mann, the stick also helps position and hold tile in place with your weight (stick bowed so fingers wrap so just comfy palm weight is ergometric) because it will put nice pressure on two distant points, and the stick also keeps gun from sliding off roof.

Also, don't be nailing so fast you are fucking up and bending over nails and making holes in the tiles. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. They guys that sink the most nails are smooth, not Mexican panic "fast".

>>2936127
>supposed to start at the top
lol

>>2924311
wont slab of snow/ice fuck up the gutter?

>>2927385
People with "education and fancy degrees" are the one's producing America's demographic data which happens to be fairly accurate, it's not particularly difficult to find either.

>>2926498
>only dead cultures refuse to demographically erase themselves
If anything, that's the only thing a dead culture like yours is capable of. Not that you have a choice in the matter, anyways.
>I would rather live next to someone from halfway across the world than you.
What's hilarious is they don't even consider you a part of their culture or tribe, anyways --and they're better off for it. A mongrel like you can only serve to destroy our communities, the same way you've burned yours.
The only cultural exchange I'm interested is the transaction of taking from the willing hands of those like you. That's it, but for what it's worth I do appreciate it.

>>2931690
>when you exhaust every legal method to optimize growing and picking, then you simply can't have $5/kg bananas instead of $10/kg bananas
What's funny is the US isn't even remotely close to exhausting 'legal methods', either. It's been the same problem for hundreds of years now: do you either accept the upfront investment for machinery/automation (both as a matter of fiscal policy and on the individual level), or lazily exploit cheap, available biomass instead?
The US civic religion is wailing about the moral evil of African chattel slavery while ignoring its modern equivalent for the exact same reason as before, convenience. They never learn, but hey, not my problem ig.
China grow rarger

>>2925404
To what extent?
>Cloward–Piven strategy

>>2928825
kek

>>2936873
Nobody with a legitimate education is making absolute trash graphs like that.

Its fuckheads like you trying throw America into the gutter.

>>2936994
I wonder who could be behind this post

>>2923961
Construction is a fucking mess in the US. If you're unlucky enough to live in a liberal shithole state, you get taxed at almost 60%. Getting permits is expensive, building new housin is impossible because a ridiculous amount of "affordable housing" (unprofitable ghettos) are mandated by the state and the state enforces anti competitive bidding to large companies, licensed contractors have to carry as much insurance as a surgeon, and state and city codes are written by corporations to sell you more shit with no regard to safety

>>2937002
An actual patriot and veteran who rejects your bullshit.

>Sees a core foundational poem about what the true dream of America was built on, and goes "hurr durr da joos!"

>>2937009
Ah, yes, because quality is so much better in "conservative" states.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jSlVdPx9pf8

>>2937019
So how many millions of people should be allowed in per year to support your IT slave plantation sir?

>>2937033
Still making shit up?

>>2937072
Unlimited immigration. Got it.

Completely replace the natives. Move them onto plantations and rape their women. Inshallah

>>2937095
I think you got lost.
>>>/pol/

>>2937201
No u

Import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world.

>>2937019
>Sees a core foundational poem about what the true dream of America was built on
It was a foundational poem that's why it was written in 1903, 296 years after america was founded and placed on the Statue of Liberty 17 years after it was built

>>2937248
>>2937249
Goosesteppers.