Thread 2932216

Why do basic all-around handymen who know how to frame, wire up outlets, and install plumbing think they deserve to make 150 dollars an hour? I have a simple project that I need done for me, but I can't afford for some asshole to come in and do rushed, shoddy work for an ultra-premium price. Do they think they're slick when they quote me a job price? Do they think I don't understand their game and that it's going to end up with them making well over 100 dollars an hour?

>>2932216 (OP)
Then do it yourself :-)

>>2932217
I'm not very mechanical or handy. There's your honest answer. I'm willing to pay 50 dollars an hour (in cash) to someone who is skilled to do this work for me. That's probably the equivalent of working for 130 grand a year (based on a 40 hour work week). Is that not enough, am I being cheap?

because the house your fag ass lives in costs like a million dollars thanks to currency devaluation and those working stiffs would like a house of their own one day. or you were probably as annoying as you were making this thread and they gave you the 'leave me alone' price.

>>2932223
I live in a 200 square foot room (finished) in a building that used to be a goat barn. The rest of the building is concrete floors and studs. I'd like to turn the rest of the building (400 square feet) into living area, bathroom, and kitchen. So no, I don't live in a million dollar house, I live in a building that used to be a goat barn. I don't think I'm asking for too much.

>>2932216 (OP)
>why do they think they deserve that much money
Because (You) don't know how to do it, else you'd have done it.

>>2932220
>$50/hr is like 130k right
Math is hard when you're retarded.
50hr x 40hr weekly x 52 weeks = 104,000
104000 minus glownigger ransom = 74,000 which is more like $35 per hour actual.
This is also assuming literally all expenses are tax deductible (they aren't) and business LOICENSING and insurance are free (they are not) and nobody ever tries to jew them on a contract (they will) and nothing ever goes wrong and complicates a contract resulting in extra time investment over the original bid (it will).
>i'm not very mechanical or handy and i refuse to try
Then pay up, fuccboi.

>>2932228
I said I was paying in cash, which isn't taxable unless you report it. That's why I approximated it, I just guessed that you'd be paying 26 grand in taxes if you worked a regular job and made 130.

>>2932228
Also, I don't refuse to try, I've been helping the whole way along with what has been done so far, and I'm planning on doing the drywall and painting myself. I'm not going to look at a Youtube video on wiring and do it myself.

>>2932220
>I'm not very mechanical or handy.
Not with that attitude.

>>2932232
I'll just walk up to the building and give it a firm handshake and then start being an electrician. It just takes a little bit of effort and a can-do attitude!

>>2932231
>im willing to help
That's nice little Timmy but you are a liability.
>i'm willing to help (with the part of the job i didn't even mention hiring someone for)
In what universe is your /diy/ finish work relevant to the contractor you're hiring to do the initial build work?
>i expect a professional with a business and freedom to lose to risk prison time (and being jewed out of 100% of the payment because lmao off the record) for tax fraud because I'm an ignorant cheap nigger
No.
>i'm not going to read a book or watch a video
Then pay up, fuccboi. I'm starting to understand why even normally cheaper contractors might be inclined to give you a "Fuck Off price" Anon mentioned earlier.

>i want a good job
>but i also want to pay an unqualified felon in cash to do it

>>2932235
>That's nice little Timmy but you are a liability
No, I'm not, and I also don't expect any money off for me helping.
>In what universe is your /diy/ finish work relevant to the contractor you're hiring to do the initial build work?
It's relevant because I don't expect everything to be done for me, I'm capable of some simpler things.
>i expect a professional with a business and freedom to lose to risk prison time (and being jewed out of 100% of the payment because lmao off the record) for tax fraud because I'm an ignorant cheap nigger
I was never talking about professional handymen with businesses, because I knew from the start that they'd be too expensive. I'm talking about unlicensed rednecks, the problem is that even the unlicensed rednecks who aren't capable of doing good work want a ton of money to do anything.
>Then pay up, fuccboi. I'm starting to understand why even normally cheaper contractors might be inclined to give you a "Fuck Off price" Anon mentioned earlier.
I bet you think that the image of a scrawny redditor you've got cooked up in your brain to represent me is accurate.

>>2932216 (OP)
Why do doctors charge me so much to get testing done? Its not like they are doing anything, draw blood and put it into a machine. The machine spits the results out, why do I need a doctor?

>>2932234
Whatever you're trying to do there's probably 10 different tutorials on youtube, 100 how to redditor replies, and some ai bot to hold your hand through it.
Stop getting excuses and fix the damn toilet.

>>2932216 (OP)
10 years of carpentry and I can't get over 17/hr right now.

If I do a 50-100 one hour job for a client they'll have 3 other things pre-broken they'll try to blame on me.

>>2932248
Press the FAFO button. People think they're big stuff diy after they see some reddit posts "First time doing this." Go drink the instagram koolaid, morons.

>>2932248
>Doesn't actually want the job done
Whatever op.

>>2932220
exit's over there, please shut the door behind you

>>2932248
if ur using 10k $ worth of material
sometimes it helps to hire a guy who has used it before
(note: no guarantee your contractor actually has)

>>2932249
don't work for people who complain about prior contractors

OP pls greencard! Greencard pls! I have studied electrical engineering and have worked all kinds of handy jobs all my life:
I can bricklay, I can pour concrete, can drywall, even frame, can sparky, can engine and transmission rebuild and everything car related really, I can tile, woodwork, insulation, plumbing... I have no idea about roofing. HVAC (THE AC part at least) doesn't exist here because people here arent at least half negro. Also I don't wish to install large windows obama self. I'll build your shit if you get me out of europe.
>Inb4 fuckoff jeet
Not a jeet. Definately whiter than a US american.

Contractor here. Labor is worth whatever the market will pay. Know why? Because if someone will pay you $100/hr to be at their house why the hell would you work elsewhere for $50. That's just bad math.

Think it through in terms of your own job. Would you remain behind the dumpster at Pizza Hut to suck dicks for $50 if you could get paid $100 at Burger King? If you answered yes you're a gay AND retarded, not just gay.

>>2932216 (OP)
You really are an idiot. You come to a DIY forum to complain about a, by your own admission, basic handyman to do something you can not DIY. If you're so smart to be on to their game why can't you do the basic job you want dome yourself?

>>2932216 (OP)
The job spec wandering and endless incidental complications to your "simple job" get priced in. This is all really rather obvious if you thought about it for three seconds, additionally, people will set prices so they're predominantly dealing with the middle classes and up, because as trying as they can be, they don't consider $50 something to debate about on the phone for half an hour.

>You're dumb, broke, annoying to deal with.

That's why.

>>2932216 (OP)
The Market decides. You have no Right to Their Time.

I'm down to do it.

Wow I cant beleive you guys let this guy troll you

>>2932269
>note: no guarantee your contractor actually has
when i had cut out on my own i got a job to rebuild the transmission in a d7h for some gyppo logger. he came by my shop to bring me the parts kit and i had all the gears clutches shafts and shit laid out on a 12ft steel table
he looks at me a says
>gee thats the 1st time ive ever seen one of those all completely taken apart
without missing a beat i replied
>me too!
he was a big stout swede i could have knocked him over with a feather
needless to mention the trans came out fine and they promptly shithoused both final drives because it no longer slipped in the 2nd gear clutches

>>2932760
That is the way it is with basically everything I touch. Never had one apart, but I'm gonna learn today...

If OK wasn't such a faggot he could do the same.

>>2932216 (OP)
I never complain. I just do it myself if I don't like the quote.
Also insurance is expensive and a llc ain't free. I shut mine down 2024 because I was working for 80$ an hour and the only way I was eating was because I raise chickens.

Shits expensive bro. Only time your ever getting scammed is when you hire a big company and they send 2 18 yr Olds in costumes for 10k.

>>2932220
Your forgetting overhead.
Aside from your itemized list we have.
Insurance
Vehicle repair
Vehicle insurance
Advertising
Tool wear and tear/replacement
Bits (go to home depot and price a demo saw cut off blade)
Gas
Food
Labor
Fucking thick demo trash bags are like 40$ a case anymore.
The endless times I had to get a new tool on the job that is specialy designed for your circumstance.
Unforseen problems because you didn't tell us you tried to do it yourself first. Now I gotta shell out another 50$ in parts I didn't add to the quote.
Plus I'm on your time frame half the time.

Not saying every contractor is like this. But 50$ becomes free labor really fucking fast.

I'm the guy who closed shop end of 2024. I was a general contractor.

I made 22k last year on a 80k income after everyone got their cut and said fuck if and went full time assorted poultry farmer.

Owning a business is only based when you got slaves that just generate income while you get drunk and post on Facebook about how much you hate minorities. Pic related.

I wanted to just do work and get paid and that's not how it is. You gotta do tax fraud, immigration scams, and hurt people for that fat 180-250k contractor income people always seem to claim exists when they never worked contractoring.

Just go make Ai porn. It's more honorable work.

>>2932216 (OP)

I can do just about any home renovation and my rate is $60 an hour for labor. Anyone who wants to pay less than that is out of their mind.

>>2932216 (OP)
>I can't afford things, and am too stupid to diy
>waaahhhh! not fair. stomp stomp whimper.

>>2932216 (OP)
>150 dollars an hour

I do work on the side to help people I like out.
they always want me to put a fair but reasonable hourly price on it.
its always weird, because even at $35 an hour its usually a donation of time and tools. the level of work people want for this type of thing is rarely what can be accomplished in one day without cutting a corner or two.

you've got to have some awareness that you offering to 'help' for nothing is in reality you wanting to take a class for free and micromanage someone who knows far more than you while also using them as a teacher while you question half of the steps they do or anything that doesnt seem like 150$/hour shit
i.e. be awful to work for

>>2932776
>Only time your ever getting scammed is when you hire a big company and they send 2 18 yr Olds in costumes for 10k.
This happens every time I cave to demands to hire 'professionals' and it fills me with fury. Have a hard time finding actual decent contractors, I'll pay em proper, but one that actually knows their shit is hard to find.

>>2932216 (OP)
get, lol

>>2932216 (OP)
Is this thread going how you hoped it would OP?

>>2932216 (OP)
>know how to frame, wire up outlets, and install plumbing
If they know how to do all these things to local building codes, equal to what a journeyman in each of those trades would do, and they're getting inspections for each job done, then yeah $150 an hour is actually super good value for you. If they're just using hose clamps to tie PEX lines or low voltage wiring to a stud, that's a different story.

>>2932778
Labor and bits are not overhead.

>>2932778
if ur not making money on your quotes then thats you quoting too low or taking work you have no business doing

>>2932285
Brown skin detected

>>2932695
>because as trying as they can be, they don't consider $50 something to debate about on the phone for half an hour.
You've never worked for a jew have you

>>2933094
>its always weird, because even at $35 an hour its usually a donation of time and tools.
As someone who spent most of his working life so far wrestling crackheads to the ground for minimum wage, I can't understand this view. I guess we must be defining the innate value of a work hour at different rates.

>>2933423
Do enough side work and keep better records of your time and expenses.

Clients paying an hourly do not see your time bidding and calculating, fetching materials, tool organizing or maintenance, all the time you have to spend baby talking clients every step of the process should be billable but usually isn't. Add insurance, license cost, workman's comp, commute, call backs or mistakes, change orders if they even go through. There's probably 12 more things I'm not remembering to include.

>>2932216 (OP)
because they know your mom's boyfriends never stuck around long enough to teach you DIY and home improvement skills.

>>2933423

sorry bro, but if you lay it out like that i might agree with you, and get the feeling that yeah, you dont get it and I probably cant explain it to you.

take the deck, unless Im gonna bill for hours planning, going to their house to look, buying wood etc, which Im not, it's pretty easy to spend enough time on things that it doesnt really make sense.

theres more to it than wrestling crackheads

>>2933985
>diagram creator was fast n cheep

>>2932220
You'll pay what they ask or you'll get nothing

>>2934334
Based on the contractors in my area, who never answer their phones and also never call you back, you'll get nothing but at least it will be free.

>>2932285
>>Inb4 fuckoff jeet
LMFAOOOOO

>>2932230
>bro please just commit tax fraud for me please come on bro just do a federal crime for me so i can save a buck and continue to be helpless please

>>2932220
Guess what? There's a whole generation of kids who grew up without fathers and know jack-shit about anything and they're willing to pay that rate. Either get richer or get smarter.

>>2932216 (OP)
>Do they think I don't understand their game and that it's going to end up with them making well over 100 dollars an hour?
That's 100 dollars for the hour they work on your job. Add the time to drive to/from your site, set up the appointment , gather materials, etc. and it might be $50 per hour. And a general handyman is probably not going to have a full schedule like a general contractor might, so each job has to pay more per hour to produce an income sufficient to stay in business.

>>2932216 (OP)
Do it yourself. My life is proof it works superbly and I am far from special since my hardcore gearhead bros do the same. We even helped build each others shipping container machine/welding shops.


The money savd more than buys the tools and even the workshop. If I hit the lottery (I made money off that, too by using financial aid for welding and machinist classes) I'd just build a magnificent workshop and live in that.

>>2934452
This too.

>>2932226
Hire tweakers, broke ass. Hey, why did you move into this project house with no relevant skills and no money?

>hurr durr 50 hour is 100k a year working 40 hours a week

oh, so all the people that schedule what you do for work work for free too?

getting that billable hour out of people like you is pulling teeth. then your gonna bitch because I answered the phone for the next guy as you bitch to me how none of us pick up our phones.

you people are worthless. Well, I could do it I just dont waaaannna but I want you to be poor so I dont have to.
Theres no way a single person can consistently manage workflow where you comfortably nail this grey area where you can do 2-3 hour jobs.
you either blow up, have a full schedule and tell people no, or have no work
and of course you're "willing to help" but not accept responsibility for quality.
i said it earlier, you gotta have some awareness of what you are asking.

>>2932216 (OP)
I work in construction as a pipefitter.
We charged $12,000 for a 1 day job.
3k labor times 2 guys plus 4k for a valve equals 2k profit minus insurance, work vehicle, tools, gas. If you can cut a 6 inch schedule 40 steel riser, add a 6 inch check valve and filler piece and flanges in 1 day for less $12000 that'd be great
>Most people are retarded, lazy, and cant change a lightswitch cover by themselves.

>>2932216 (OP)
Contractor here. You why you'll never be able to charge $150/hr? Because you don't understand market economics. Get good, retard.

>>2932220
I mean this with the utmost respect anon, but get fucked and go to hell. If you can't do the work yourself, you're completely at the mercy of those who can. In essence, you're a cuckold. You can sit in the corner and watch while some guy fixes your house, and you're going to pay him several hundred dollars for the privilege. All because you aren't man enough to do it yourself. Kill yourself.

>>2933448
this
there's a lot that goes into trade work besides 'hours on job'
i just refuse to bill hourly. i work up an estimate on assumed hours, plus buffer time and materials.
if i bid wrong, i lose. if i bid perfect, customer probably still thinks it is too much. so fuck it, i overbid everything. taken way too many loses on bullshit scenarios I couldn't anticipate
overbidding? no stress dealing with bullshit, it's covered. clients? they accepted an outrageous numbe, they obviously aren't stressed about the money and are generally way more pleasent through the process

i did a quick little job for friend of a friend last week, they had a pinhole leak in copper water heater lines
i told him $150, expecting 30m of actual labor
however there was a 30m trip to go check out the problem to know what I need, 30m trip for supplies, 50$ in material (not including my thousands of dollars in tools used((propress)))
job was far more tedious than expected, it was holding water at bad angle and crazy over-soldered so I probably spent 30m just removing a single 3/4" 90
job ends up taking an hour
so two hours of time, ~50$ materials (again not including my invested in tools)
and you know being human, it occupied my time and mental energy to a greater extent because i'm personally responsible for outcomes and damages
so realistically i made <75$ an hour
but you see it as me getting $150 for an hour of work
that you probably don't even see as an hour, but heads up: talking to you is work
after enough years I really don't give a fuck, world is rough and people will pay me; if they won't then it's not worth the stress

>>2932216 (OP)
That 2 or 3 hour job plus his time getting there and back is going to take him away from another job that'd be paying him all day. Why shouldn't he charge more per for short jobs?

>>2936598
Propress fittings are 5-10x the price of old solder fitting.
A lot of people have no idea what goes into a small job. I replaced my parents water heater and had to run pvc for the forced vent and new copper lines and shutoffs after my dad couldnt fix it.
He was doing retarded shit like shoving bread into the pipe and not using dope on the threaded adapter. I go over to the laundry sink and hit the low point drain my grandfather put in, that my dad didn't know about.
>Experience costs money too

>>2936598
Well you sound retarded who wants to play with overcomplicated tools that are unnecessary and frankly ill suited for the type of work that is. A "water heater installation kit" at home creepo is $75 and includes both lines with push connect fittings. Done.

Or you could have brought $15 in a couple spare pieces of copper pipe, cut the section out, swaged it, and soldered it in. Or you could have been a hack and sharkbited it. Or replace the section with pex. All of that would have been simpler and more cost effective than a propress.

>>2932216 (OP)
This board is about doing things yourself.
Why are you here?

Rank these clients

>stands over your shoulder for the entire job
>lowballs any bid no matter how inexpensive
>You're too costly, so client diy's some of it and wants you to tie into his butchered work
>knows more than you about your job
>actually does know more than you about your job
>doesn't want to pay for permits
>ghosts you when the job is done
>trash talks previous contractors
>changes plans after you've completed
>always adds more things to fix including other trades touching your work
>has a lot more work lined up after this first cheap job, "giving you a shot"
>red tags painter's tape repair work like confetti all over a mint high end job
>leaves all their furnishings in the room and wants you to do the job faster

>>2936902
Virtually all of that is just the terminal condition of Boomerism. Only time I ever agree with bullying a trade is HVAC. Biggest fucking loser trade with the lowest average IQ and largest rate of scumbags. Genuinely only continues to exist because of lobbying for restrictive licensing laws and protectionist closed shop supply chains coordinating to refuse to sell to the public. I hate HVACniggers with a passion.
>hurr whats a nitrogen purge
>durr yeah your condenser's shot naw can't replace capacitors you'll need a whole new system
>gurrrr what's a Manual J calculation go big or go home cuz

>>2936902
damn, i must be the perfect homeowner
>DIY everything within my limits
>call specialists for specific jobs
>have all details and specs on hand
>don't haggle but don't hire spics either
>prep the area so they can work easily
>check in frequently but don't hover
>takes active ownership of the project
>tell them i'll clean up, don't worry about it
>thank contractor for his skill and expertise
>respect their time, don't text outside 9-5
>ensure them i have other jobs later

>>2936893
poor butthurt?
overcomplicated? lol
i already have the propress and it's super beneficial in many situations
sure I could have saved 15$ using sweat fittings and spent 3 times the time for it to look less good
hire a handyman instead of a plumber if you want cheap work
>push connect fittings. Done.
>Or you could have been a hack and sharkbited it.
you realize that's the same thing now
>home creepo is $75
well that's more than my material cost, but assuming i used it $150 wouldn't feel reasonable as a cost to charge anymore
>Or replace the section with pex.
plastic pipe on a water heater is obviously poor practice

tool choice was nearly completely unrelated to the moral of the story

>>2936968
Just "grease the gear" or pay it forward. Be agreeable and tip. Trades people are happy to put in the work when it's going to a good place and everyone has skin in the game. Idk where people got the idea they should fuck with skilled contractors. Indians treating you like shoe shiners at least pay up after the insults.

>>2933415
See
>>2932778
How do you outbid free?

>>2933399
Labor as in a helper. Bits as in drill bits. Go prices ocelsting blades.
I'm not asking the home owner to lift the other side of a 20 foot deck board.

>>2933399
>>2937059
Time sensitive work like concrete or tile often requires a gopher
A gopher is easily 20$ an hour if you aren't a piece of shit running a labor scam.
See
>>2932778
Again for reference

>>2934364
kek

>>2937015
>spent 3 times the time
A butane pen torch and some solder takes you longer than lugging out your propress? Good luck in life you dumb nigger, enough $20/hr hell.

>>2937243
yes it takes longer to heat a fitting than press a button
not including sanding, soldering, sanding, evacuating water
lugging? the press sits on a mount in arms reach of the door. i can have it ready faster than rummaging through my solder bag
then i'm either carrying a press OR torch+solder+flux+sanding brushs,cloth+maybe cooling gel+maybe jetswet/siphon hoses

besides all that, the press looks way cleaner unless you're the most meticulously skilled solderer in the world (slower)

so yeah, butthurt poor fags coping

>>2937265
had a job this week with a pinhole leak in 1.5" main riding between a party of electrical conduit

they had had two previous plumbers nope out
guess they didn't have a megapress

>>2933399
Both are overhead. Bits are consumables.

>>2932270
Don't begin a career in construction in the first place, just do it for yourself.

The savings more than pay for the tools and equipment and a capable home workshop you also build. There are much better trades careers with actual futures, vested retirement and medical benefits.

>>2932216 (OP)
why aren't you out there making $150/hr?

>>2937265
>uh bro those solders don't look clean bro uh i'm gonna dock you for that
Does it hold water or not? You're such a fucking faggot god damn. No it doesn't take longer to whip out a finger length of solder and zip it on. You're being a woman and arguing like one right now.

>>2937496
>No it doesn't take longer to whip out a finger length of solder and zip it on
it absolutely does you insincere faggot
which I detailed

>You're being a woman and arguing like one right now.
cope nigger. taking your women with my more efficient and clean press fittings

>>2937267
Is there a bit of flex to the conduit or can a press operate in tight spaces?

>>2937504
there was just enough flex to fit in there
if I couldn't, rigid makes a 'close quarter ring kit' that enables the tools to work in almost any space (still faster than sweating)

>>2934786
>Hire tweakers, broke ass. Hey, why did you move into this project house with no relevant skills and no money?

the only rebuttal question that matters.

>>2932216 (OP)
Get a mexican to do it.

>>2934873
>you either blow up, have a full schedule and tell people no, or have no work
I pity people who never actually knew guys who are truly independent. So they cannot even fathom that these guys are on the phone having small chats with all their clients specifically to smooth talk their way in and out of jobs.

>>2937578
Now your fittings look fucking stupid next to that shitty pipe you fucking nigger. NIGGER APE PROPRESS MORE LIKE LOVES GETTING PRO PRESSED AT THE BATHHOUSE

>>2937578
Just use pex.

>>2937617

>smooth talk your way out of jobs
>tell people no

self-described "smooth-talkers" are slimy and sociopathic as hell in my experience.
but continue to brag on the internet

>>2937614
>Diagonal lines
No wonder they fell off

>>2932216 (OP)
How good of a job do you think a guy charging $20/hr will do?
I don't typically charge by hour. but piece work. But when I do it's $100 for the 1st hour and $50 each additional.
The reason I don't charge hourly is because of boomer faggots like OP, who think if they decide to hire you, you're now their temp employee who they can boss around. Guys like OP are shit customers...and I fire shit customers.

Hire a day laborer or a highschool kid if you just need an extra set of hands. You don't hire a plumber to install a toilet, then proceed to tell him how to do his job.

Also I'm not a handyman. I'm a Home Service Technician. I have fancy business cards and charge $100/hr to boomer faggots like OP just to watch them seethe.

>>2932216 (OP)
Im an unlicensed electrician and i charge $150 for the first hour and $75 every hour after. Its just side work. Often times after the jobs done it evens out to more because i often over estimate by and hour or two just in case, and if the owner doesnt say anything about the cost initially, i wont take off the hour or two I overestimated. Last job ended up being $90 an hour because it ended up being a pain i the ass so i charded a bit more, and the owner was more than happy to pay for it. Likely because the end result was clean and better than he expected and within his budget.

I often go by feel. What does it SEEM like the job i just did would cost if i asked someone to do it. And that usually works out and its still often less than market average rates.

>>2932220
80 hours of a self employed are reserved for doing tax stuff, cold calling, getting customers, bills, planning and discussing the projects with your client etc. The other 80 hours are the actual work. Theyre working two jobs and you expect them to work one half of it for free, not saving extra for when there arent any jobs or neglecting savings for health care.

>>2932220
No. Assholes here will try and convince you your being stingy but fail to understand that primary care physicians make about $117 per hour and that’s after 4 years of pre medical school, 4 years of grueling medical school, and 3 years of residency.

Are you being stingy? Hell no.

I don’t know what the issue is with people on here coping and stroking their own egos so relentlessly. Maybe its so they don’t feel like scammy manipulative people but at some point we have to call a spade a spade and unreasonable scammish behavior what it is, and anything above $75 per hour is absurd.

And that asshole that thought he was being cute itemizing all the different costs associated with the job in order to justify his criminal prices failed to mention a few things. On average each one of those costs including overhead etc, probably works out to about $30 a month, and vehicle repair? wtf? Are you repairing your vehicle every week lol? And Food? wtf? I’ve never charged a customer for lunch or food nir put in any contractor bill.

>>2937666

im the guy earlier who said I was doing 25 for someone. Its because I know she makes 17, and I could what she wanted in a day, and it was the only way it was ever gonna happen, because you cant get people to do things like that.

My last job charged hourly for my time, 87.50 an hour was what they charged.

I was trying to recoup a little for losing a saturday, not make money. So, just sayin, sometimes the cheap guy is someone doing a favor, not just pillheads.

I call myself a Building Tech when Im larping and on dating profiles. Why limit yourself to homes?

>>2939275

this comparison doesnt work very well.
the physician doesnt maintain or purchase the tools and workplace they operate out of on their own time, they bill insurance companies wild amounts for these with armies of accountants, schedulers and the rest of the whole 9 yards.
The guy you are bitching about has no one doing any of that for him. Rage all you like, but the guy earlier pointed it out correctly.

market rate- pay or hire someone else

>>2939275
>vehicle repair
If he's dropping 4000 on a trip and a half to the mechanic every year, that's 10% of his income. I guess he can just buy a new truck since he's working for 20 bucks under your plan.

>>2932220
welcome to basic economics and the world of supply vs demand.
also that 150 isnt their actual salary, its to cover everything from tools, cars, taxes and whatever. whats your job?

>>2932216 (OP)
spent 20m driving over to ops house to put in a bid. Spend an hour talking to him.
Job itself probably only takes 2 hours.
Wait for him to reply.
Drive my $40000+ truck and $10000 worth of tools over to ops to do it.
make sure my contractors insurance is paid up.
wait for this asshat to open up so i can actually start.
He want to talk to me some more.
$150 an hour seems a little steep for my dinky ass project.

>>2932216 (OP)
This poor faggot can only afford illegal beaners and his house is going to burn down.

>>2932220
>I'm not very mechanical or handy. There's your honest answer.

I've taught bipedal rocks to fix jet fighters.
The benefits are immense. No one grows up "handy", it's pursued for personal benefit and curiosity.

Even if you never do your own work, study DIY so you can be an informed customer. After enough study you can if inspired begin with small tasks. Relinquish any intimidation and you may find it fun.

>>2932216 (OP)
poor detected

>>2940310
>No one grows up "handy", it's pursued for personal benefit and curiosity.
I did.

Just do what women do, fuck a handyman and then get him to do the work for free.

>>2932216 (OP)
The non subsidized cost for the cable guy to come in and put an outlet in is $150. Getting anyone to even show up to your house for less than $100 is insulting. Car, and traffic and all their tools.

>>2937267
>he doesn't mark for depth or clean the pipes.

We're not gonna make it press bros woth coworkers like this, they're gonna get callbacks and give pressers a bad name

>>2940310
>No one grows up "handy"
lol lmao even, thats exactly what some of us do and we look at your kind, the non handy, like you are retarded cripples.
i wasnt born with a wrench in my hand but growing up is a long process, by the time i was grown up (18) i had used every tool imaginable, driven enough heavy equipment to jump into any bigger ones and done enough work from wrestling cows to building houses to rebuilding tractor motors i could and did jump into any trade.

>>2940418
my only callbacks are for mpt into pvc being overtightened

>>2936906
I remember your thread from a while back. I installed a mr cool system myself and trying to find any sort of consistent duct sizing calcs not behind a paywall was damn near impossible. Every fucking retard had their rule of thumb or a formula that had a variable not supplied with my air handler. I know for a fact its a simple plug and chug equation, but I was constantly pointed to a $50 HVAC text book. Fuck them, bought a slide rule duct sizer and with some estimates got myself within 10% of what I was planning. I can search 'how to wire my house' and get 100+ electricians on youtube to fully detail the process for me, but anything HVAC and its like listening to some mongoloid alchemist who thinks if you dont spin the wrench 3.841 revolutions your refrigerant will turn to mustard gas.

>>2936968
Used to work in the trades and try to be like this, but have yet to have a pleasant experience with anyone Ive had work on the house. Always begging for tips and insisting that doing the bare minimum is going above and beyond. Had my oil tank taken out and the guy pulled my aside to show me how he was patching the hole in the foundation for the fill pipe like it was white glove service... Yea no shit, you better not leave a hole in a customers house. Some dumb guinea didnt know code and bought the wrong pipe diameter to connect my house to city water and wanted to pawn the price difference off on me. 8yrs later I still get spam emails from him to 'check out these pictures' because the stupid wop got his email hacked.

>>2932216 (OP)
When is your wife home alone??? Id like to come over and satisfy her for once in her life.

>>2941073
Please go play in your electrical box with a couple flat heads. ;)

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Those machines cost money bitch

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>>2939275
LOL
Check out this seething bitch

Yeah I called a detailer to see about detailing my harley and my truck

Dude said 150 for the bike and 250 for the truck, inside and out

I get that you have to make a living but at that price, if I find one new scratch I'm going ot review bomb your ass, so I decided not to go with it.

This is at the heart of why I do everything myself, I find other peoples mistakes intolerable.

>>2942719
And you would think people know what theyre doing if they have legitimate businesses with certs and licenses and bonds and what not

In reality everyone's getting away with shitty work constantly, there's more shitty neglected work being done than anything proper, and anyone that's known for doing things the right way will have a backlog out for months. contractors that know how to read plans and follow schedule just drown in money. There's a very real competency crisis

>>2932216 (OP)

what kind of tools are this asshole's belt?

>>2942720
A major problem is the overlap of trades. I feel like every sub is doing the least amount possible to cover their own ass while the lowest laborer gets stuck making a dozen transition problems come together.

You see it in the medical field too. 10 specialists stand around a multifaceted patient and wonder who is in charge. I want the GCs to step in and unfuck situations but they're getting 50/man hour so they may as well let their entire crew camp out for months since they're only $15-20.

>>2942720
my plumbing+electric company ended up developing an entire 'teams' division that does tile/flooring, drywall, cabinets, etc
because all the remodel jobs we would do for other GCs would constantly be shit fucked
now it's all in house, schedules and communication can be relied upon
it's really fuckin nice. when the tile guys don't suck