Thread 2933430

This is possible the hundredth or so time I'm posting a thread like this over the course of several years. I cannot maintain a schedule due to insomnia caused at least mostly by OCD. I cannot work a 9 to 5 or A time to B time job. I already take several sleep medications. I could not medicate myself out of this problem. Are there any jobs I could work or would there be any freelance opportunities for any specific trade jobs? I could imagine going to school to learn a trade or get a degree, but the actual job seems like the hard part.

My other idea is to go back to college to study engineering. Getting the degree actually sounds like the easy part, since I legitimately enjoy studying STEM, but the job seems like the unpleasant part. Lots of abstract thinking and being unsure if I'm doing the work correctly. Something like welding or metalworking seems pretty soothing by comparison. There's also the issue of having to move around with an engineering job, moving to different states and having to do so every two or three years due to employers refusing to increase pay despite increased work experience from what I've heard.

>>2933430 (OP)
If you work for yourself you can set your schedule. But you probably need to work for someone else first to learn stuff. Or just be a shitty handyman or something whi just does real basic stuff

>>2933435
>Or just be a shitty handyman or something whi just does real basic stuff
I've thought of this idea for years, but I have no idea where to start. Being a handyman still seems pretty dumb. I think it would be better to stick to one field and get pretty good at it.

>>2933436
Thats the smart call. But ive met many people on the job who do everything. They get work, and have their regulars. Ive only been on their jobs when the electric work is too complicated for them like making sure the circuits are distributed properly and the wiring isnt mixed up and sized properly and wont blow up.

>>2933430 (OP)
>I cannot maintain a schedule due to insomnia caused at least mostly by OCD

you're a basket case who's destined for suicide. stay the fuck away from the trades you stupid loser

professional excuse maker

>>2933528
>professional excuse maker
I hate the fact that people don't view my insomnia as a legitimate excuse. I really do want to work. I've been super frustrated for the past 8 years not having been able to get a job, aside from a few occasions where I would only work one or two days a week as a dishwasher but was allowed to miss work. I COULD have a full time job if I didn't have to go by a schedule and just show up to work whenever I want, just getting in 40 hours per week. I graduated high school when I was 17, and I turned 25 last month.

It's not a laziness thing. I will actually panic if I know I have to be up by a certain time. I cannot set up an alarm clock, as that would really make me panic, so my strategy whenever I have something like a doctor's appointment come up is to go to bed really early, so that even if I slept for something like 12 hours, I would still wake up hours before the appointment, and I take around 15mg of ambien on top of the other three sleep medications I take when I usually only take 5mg of ambien.

>>2933430 (OP)
Self employment. Work when you want as much as you want. Plumber, electrician, roofer, arborist, car mechanic whatever.

>>2933547
>Plumber, electrician, roofer, arborist, car mechanic whatever.
I'm not going to be coming up with any excuses as to why I wouldn't be able to do these jobs. I just want to know which one would be best. I can't do a lot of these at night. (I am not nocturnal. I'm just randomly up during the night or during the day.) Car mechanic potentially if it were a shop where people leave their cars to be fixed, and I could work on them in the dead of night. The problem is, who the fuck would just hand me such a job? I do work as a dishwasher for my dad, but it's only once or twice per week, and I don't get paid. I live with my dad for free, though. My dad is employed by someone else. If I got paid for the work, I would lose my NEETbucks. I should've mentioned in OP that it would be ideal for such a job to be one where I get paid under the table.

Landscaping. Though you have to work around the weather.

Sounds like you need to learn an art, not a trade. You can spend whatever time you want whenever you want working on an art. Could be trade-adjacent still, woodworking or fabrication or something. But it needs to be something where at worst your time expectations are in units of days, not hours, and ideally you have final say on whether you take a project and how much it gets delayed. So you need to at least be an independent contractor, but really you want to own your own business.

Going to school is going to be an issue with inability to maintain schedule; there's plenty of online courses nowadays but obviously then you miss out on the hands-on needed for some cases.

I don't really think there's many compatible opportunities as an engineer, but someone else can weigh in on that. As far as I know, it's fairly 9-to-5.

Maybe ask /adv/ but not sure many of them have experience / want to talk about art careers.

>>2933535
Can you at least show up at 11 or 12:00?
Do you have any skills or interests in a certain trade yet?
You could learn carpentry, painting, roofing, landscape, handyman shit, powerwashing, all sorts of shit
And then create you own company and schedule jobs with flebility.

Also be sure to tell the new employeer that you cant come in until 12:00 because you have the kids. Yes lie and say you have kids so they will actually escuse you
If you had your own shop yes you could be mechanic all night

How long have you had insomnia? Maybe grounding, better diet, sunshine, healing your traumas and whatnot can heal you up. Just dont go to retard doctors and take their retard pills that fix nothing

Self employment is the nobrainer

There are also some none time relevant stuff like woodworking, car mechanic... That you could do whenever you have time.

You could combine those and work under the table for friends and family at first. They would understand your situation

In my country there are rehabilitation embloyers. That work with criminals/addicts/special ed people, they will have experiance with complicated cases and might be able to help you. Go to them tell em your situation and say that you would really apprechiate if the gave you a chance

There is remote work for stuff like informatics, or whatever. There is usualy 1or 2 meetings a week and the rest is whatever.

There is social media. Where you can do whatever.

There is online freelancing you can do whenever

You could try to get someone to make a "bet" with you: "1 month trial. If i dont work my 40hr week you dont have to pay me for the time."

Any bigger 24/7 thing might hire you

There are options...

Oh i forgor
>>2933535

>Work
>Get home
>Go to sleep
> Wake up whenever(prob 3am or smt)
>Do normal chores hobbies
>Go to work
>Be late once in a month bc sleep
>Happens

Tfw this could work

>>2933436
Its my personal believe that it doesnt matter what you do. It matterst that you do smt.
If your consistent enough even cleaning shitters can get you somewhere

>>2933912
>Tfw this could work
I've thought of this years ago. I should probably try it, but I would only do it for a job that pays somewhat well, since I receive NEETbucks, and I would lose them if I got a job and likely not be able to get them back if the job doesn't work out. The limit for money earned per month when you're on SSI is, no bullshit, $65.

I would have to be disciplined to virtually instantly start preparing for bed as soon as I get home. I would have a meal, brush my teeth, take a shower, try to relax on my computer while my hair dries, take my meds, hopefully chat with some frens, and then wait for the meds to kick in. The whole process would likely take 3 at the very least, but possibly 6 hours, from the time I get home, most likely 4 or 5 hours, since there would possibly be a few things that pop up that take up more time, so I would be going to bed at some time around 8 to 11 PM and waking up at some time around 5 to 8 AM with around 9 hours spent in bed.

The issue with this idea is that I still wouldn't have much time. By the time I take my meds, I would be super anxious thinking about having to be up for work the next day. Work itself wouldn't give me this anxiety; the thought of having to be UP on time for work would. The medication would likely help a lot with falling asleep, but I would hate to have to take more than I need to at the moment to get past the additional anxiety. The other major issue that I really want to avoid is insomnia surrounding not being able to fall back asleep. I can fall back asleep with no issue at the moment. This is something I wasn't able to do a year prior. Before this change, I was only getting around 5 or 6 hours whenever I would fall asleep. I would wake up and not be able to fall back asleep. I'm super worried that this problem would return if I got a 9 to 5 job. I want to get plenty of sleep for building muscle and keeping fat off me. This is literally my beauty sleep.

you are collecting NEETbux
off the backs of everyone else
why do you want to work?
more money or are you bored?

you need to fix yourself. you are either disabled to the point you cant work or you arent, having it both ways frankly just pisses me off after you already have a cushy life where you fucking are paid to live for free.

sorry if this seems not nice, but you have what thw rest of us never will, financial security at the expense of those around you

just fucking learn to set an alarm. Pain, discomfort and anxiety are all sensations that can be explored

>>2934119
>financial security at the expense of those around you
Not quite. Section 8 is very difficult to get. You have to wait 3 years every time you apply, and, even if you have a disability they recognize and a medical history, you're still more likely to not get accepted. Some families live in section 8 housing, and they are seemingly experts in getting accepted for it. I knew a black kid in high school in possibly 2016 who already had his own section 8 apartment at 18, so he likely had to have applied when he was 15, unless waiting times were different back then.

I live with my dad. I'm technically in a legally grey area for living with him while receiving NEETbucks. It's not flat out illegal. I technically give him some of my NEETbucks, and this should make such a situation legal. If anything happens to my dad, I'm fucked, and my dad is well aware of this. My dad is a boomer and has some health issues, so he's legitimately worried for me, and so am I. I also don't like the fact that I can't really help out my dad, and he's been frustrated with me since I was 17 when I graduated high school.

Ideally, I would find a way to make money under the table with my NEETbucks and secretly invest a lot of the NEETbucks I get each month into crypto. (So taking it out of the brokerage and into a private bitcoin wallet that I'm very careful with, along with potentially converting some of it into monero.) I would then ideally have a few thousands of dollars saved up for an emergency that could potentially get me through rent. I'm not sure if the entire amount of NEETbucks I receive (aside from the $280 or so I get for food that technically isn't foodstamps) would even be enough to pay for rent. I don't have any family members I could move in with. My family, at least in the US (I also have some distant family in Poland.), is really poor and very antisocial from mental illness (narcissism). I really need to get my passport and learn Polish to a higher proficiency.

>>2934119
>financial security at the expense of those around you
Not quite. Section 8 is very difficult to get. You have to wait 3 years every time you apply, and, even if you have a disability they recognize and a medical history, you're still more likely to not get accepted. Some families live in section 8 housing, and they are seemingly experts in getting accepted for it. I knew a black kid in high school in possibly 2016 who already had his own section 8 apartment at 18, so he likely had to have applied when he was 15, unless waiting times were different back then.

I live with my dad. I'm technically in a legally grey area for living with him while receiving NEETbucks. It's not flat out illegal. I technically give him some of my NEETbucks, and this should make such a situation legal. If anything happens to my dad, I'm fucked, and my dad is well aware of this. My dad is a boomer and has some health issues, so he's legitimately worried for me, and so am I. I also don't like the fact that I can't really help out my dad, and he's been frustrated with me since I was 17 when I graduated high school. I'm 25.

Ideally, I would find a way to make money under the table with my NEETbucks and secretly invest a lot of the NEETbucks I get each month into crypto. (So taking it out of the brokerage and into a private bitcoin wallet that I'm very careful with, along with potentially converting some of it into monero.) I would then ideally have a few thousands of dollars saved up for an emergency that could potentially get me through rent. I'm not sure if the entire amount of NEETbucks I receive (aside from the $280 or so I get for food that technically isn't foodstamps) would even be enough to pay for rent. I don't have any family members I could move in with. My family, at least in the US (I also have some distant family in Poland.), is really poor and very antisocial from mental illness (narcissism). I really need to get my passport and learn Polish to a higher proficiency.

>>2933535
he literally gave you a job that you would be good at, and youre just making more excuses...it's the perfect fit

>>2933535
you've had this problem for 8 (eight) years and you can't come up with a solution? suicide is the way

>>2933430 (OP)
Go the stem way. It doesn’t have to be rocket science, but college level stuff is a lot less time/location bound (and a lot more disability friendly, if one can call insomnia a disability idk).

I do controls software, it’s pretty simple and if it’s a fixed price project I can just say it’ll be ready in 4-5 weeks and work on it whenever. They do expect you to do similar amount of work in that time that others do ofc, so roughly 40 hours a week but in summer I do many days of 12pm-9pm so that I can do farm and house stuff before it gets too hot out

>>2934393
>Go the stem way. It doesn’t have to be rocket science, but college level stuff is a lot less time/location bound (and a lot more disability friendly, if one can call insomnia a disability idk).
This is what I've seriously been considering for the past couple years. Although it would cost money and be a bit risky with no employment guarantee, I feel like my best bet would be to go back to college or university to get an engineering degree. It really has been 8 years since I was 17, and none of my other ideas have worked out. (I'm 25 now.) I'm fairly confident I could get a STEM degree. I would just be worried about missing lab days. If I miss a lecture, I could mostly make it up through watching videos, reading the textbook, ChatGPT, which wasn't a thing back when I was in my late teens, and occasional tutoring if ChatGPT doesn't work out. I do have disability status due to OCD, so I would be able to take tests and quizzes whenever I want and get extra time.

>>2933535
I also have OCD and it is really crippling, these faggots don't understand.

I don't get insomnia from it, but that can be really debilitating never getting sleep.

I wish i could help you

>>2934473
Thank you, anon.

>>2933535
I ve had sleep issues my entire life. Basically I go to bed 2-3 hours later each night, so I have a rolling day. It was hell working 9-5, and working for myself ended up being the only option.

I hate it, and it fucks with my life, but I’ve managed to stay alive and have a family doing it.

Everyone will always try and get you on a normal schedule, and while that is maybe an end goal, it might not be possible short term.

I would look to create a life for yourself that either doesn’t trigger your anxiety/ insomnia, and lets you slowly establish a normal schedule… or find a life that is flexible. For example, can you force yourself to a schedule for 3 days even if you are horribly tired? Will you need two days after that to recover? Does your schedule have any rhyme or reason to it ( like mine drifts slowly ).

>>2934126
Getting disability for mental issues is very hard, I’ve helped two friends do it over the years. You should look in the “blue book” it gives specific reasons to allow for disability, you need to have everyone of those very specific situations accounted for, and even the. Expect to get rejected.

How are you going to do classes, when you can’t do a job.

>>2933459
>>2933528
Probably the same faggot, upset that nobody gave him attention for being an edgy NEET.

>>2934537
>but I’ve managed to stay alive and have a family doing it.
Wait, so you got married and reproduced with a similar problem to what I have? This is what I've dreamed of doing since I was likely in middle school. I'm 25 now, and there's still no guarantee I have a future. I could theoretically scout for some mentally ill girls in their late teens and knock them up to reproduce, but I know that would fuck me up for life, along with that child, even though I would technically be reproductively successful. I still have difficulty imagining kids roaming around the house and not waking me up when I'm sleeping.
>Getting disability for mental issues is very hard, I’ve helped two friends do it over the years.
A half decent lawyer can get it for you easily, even if you're in your late teens or early 20s. I got my NEETbucks at 21. Section 8 is the most difficult to get accepted for.

>>2933430 (OP)
Work hard labor for a bit, start at sunrise end at sunset. Something like concrete or roofing. It'll be interesting to see if your insomnia is a factor when you just pass out from exhaustion after doing it for a couple days. I used to have insomnia too, then I got a job as a scaffold builder for a couple years. That's a job that'll kick your ass, I was so tired working 12 7s in the baking sun thay sometimes I would barely get my work shit off before I crashed out on the couch for 8 hours straight and woke up at 3 in the morning with just enough time to do laundry, make /pack lunch and think about my life choices.

>>2934549
>It'll be interesting to see if your insomnia is a factor when you just pass out from exhaustion after doing it for a couple days.
I've had this recommended to me several times before. I work out nearly every day, and this is proper strength and hypertrophy training. I can bench 315 for 7. I used to go jogging for a mile or two a few years ago on a regular basis. Exhaustion does help with insomnia, but usually only the sleep deprivation type. Exercise doesn't do much to increase exhaustion to the point you actually want to sleep. It actually has the opposite effect where you're more awake for several hours afterwards. Exercise is still good for your health in general.

>>2934553
Good for you, retard, go climb across a hot roof for 10 hours.

If you can't maintain a 9-5 schedule you wont get through engineering school, and your first job will crush you even if you did, because they won't put up with your excuses.

Things you might like:
>sales
>retail
>city maintenance job (you have to show up on time, but many will have lots of down-time)
>night-shift jobs
>security work

If you have some basic tools knowledge, you can try delivering flyers in some neighbors for some service, like replacing their roof or painting or landscaping, and see what response you get.

I dunno man though, most places you need to show up to work. So you gotta get that sleep problem fixed.

>I cannot work a 9 to 5 or A time to B time job.
Ussually showing up to work tired for a few days, and your body will adjust to the schedule.

>>2933535
nigga just get on disability.

>>2933430 (OP)
In desperate need for a new job. What trade should I go? Welding, electrician, hvac? Live in hot state so HVAC is probably most promising. But each have their appeal to me
>HVAC
Money, demand. Seems difficult to me though.
>welding
Looks fun. Looks like something I could learn the type of thing I would take to. Feel like I’d enjoy it more as a skillset to do in free time whether that’s my own projects or freelancing shit
>electrician
Feel like it would be easiest to learn for me, one thing to focus on. From what I’ve seen mostly good working conditions. Have heard in my area to keep consistent work you have to drive pretty far though.
Looking at my local unions, I’m in one of those technical non union states but idgaf, mostly just need a way to get paid while I learn. Probably HVAC since either way. I worry about passing the entrance tests haven’t had to do math like in a test setting in a decade, haven’t used anything but basic division at most in just as long. Bombed the practice tests I found.
>>2933535
New mattress, change your air filters every 90 days, air purifier fan thing, quit all drugs and alcohol including nicotine and caffeine. Start getting minimum 20 minutes sunlight a day direct outside not through window. Only drink water. Go on a minimum 30 minute walk each day, feel free to do multiple. Cold shower before bed.
Give it a few weeks.
>OCD
Weaponize it against itself. “If I do the ritual X bad thing will happen”
“If I shut the door a hundred times I’ll never get a job”

>>2933535
Get a welder and a sae and make random metal things on your garage, you can at least afford food this way.

>>2933430 (OP)
I work in hvac/r and my job is totally on my own schedule. I work for a large company (biggest government contractor in canada) and I just get a list if monthly work orders for things that need done. I quote my own follow up repairs, organize my own work. No need to talk to any managers unless some weird issue comes up. I have the keys to many buildings. I know some other companies are setup similarly. Happiest guys I know if the trade have this type of setup. Just go to work whenever and collect a paycheck, albeit some emergency calls show up (where we work late or wierd hours but it's all double time)

Laborer's Union
Maybe daily jobs

Show up to the hall
Take a job call that lasts a day
Drive out there
Work
Get paid
Job ends

Show up to the hall the next day

good god, i hadnt checked back in here.

the fact you use disability to biy bitcoin infuriates me.
YOU are the waste breaking america

this thread describes defrauding the government multiple ways.
fuck you, from all of us who have to actually make it.

fuck you, you piece of shit

>>2934126

i hope you get deported back to poland