Thread 2933509

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some information about the land parcels located in Carrizo Plain/California Valley area. I'm looking to purchase a lot or two in for a 20-year project to build up a ranch/hacienda in the area. I've done some research and understand there's no potable water, there's no ready electricity, and or general sewage etc. I've also driven out there various times either on my way to Morro Bay or to watch the superblooms, so in short, I'm well aware of the geological/meteorological aspects of the area.

>>2933509 (OP)
I've seen a few threads online already saying how the land is caustic/alkaline and how the area is full of marijuana farms/meth labs and crazy neighbors. Well, the land described as caustic was right by the lake so of course it makes sense, but there are various other parcels of land further away from the lake as to seemingly not be an issue. I also read a report from the SLO county that showed the population had grown from ~500 in 2010 to ~2500 in 2015 and expected to grow still. For a place described as desolate, unlivable, and generally a bad idea, I've seen an increasing number of developing properties on the east side of the plain as well as many along soda lake road on the west side before the mountain ranges. Many of these properties have trees that are very well alive, and various others have fencing and other structures in there. I understand some are historical sites and have been abandoned for decades, but clearly some are new and only popped up in the last 10 years. Something else I've heard is there were various marijuana grows there that eventually got busted. Well if there's no water and the land is bad, how are there superblooms and how were there many marijuana farms?

Something is not really adding up when I consider all the information available. I'd really like to hear more stories from those in this subreddit. All opinions are of course desired but I would really prefer to hear something more solid and with actual basis rather than "oh I heard from a friend who heard from a friend that the neighbors are meth heads" I don't think meth heads would be able to afford to develop 2 acres of land, but since I am not a local, I must ask those who are. So please tell me, what's really the issue in the California Valley apart from the lack of modern conveniences?

>>2933511
Water can be brought in and stored. A home could be built over time. Power can be solved by modern solar panels. What's really the issue here? Why is this land really not more settled? If it's so bad, why is it becoming increasingly settled and developed and why should I not buy it?


The land is Residental Suburban zoned, so how come I also hear stories of the county denying building permits for people? None of this is making any sense to me, and I'm just trying to understand and piece it all together. Thank you.

Look into the fucking red tape required for building in California for places they actually want development. They don't even want you out there. You will probably buy the land and they'll say sorry, no utilities, no dice.

kek...and it's all a flood plain. Land that cheap is always unbuildable

>>2933523
and as i zoom in on all the other cheap plots not in the flood plain...those aren't actual roads, just map overlays. you cant even access 90% of these places

>I don't think meth heads would be able to afford to develop 2 acres of land
Fucking lol...you didn't even make a remote attempt at any due dilligence. Enjoy your new neighbors bud

>>2933526
>first plot of land
Yeah, I unfortunately don't have much experience and I'm kind of driving blind here, thus the questions.

How the hell does anyone ever do anything in a rural area then I know that anybody can just go by and take your stuff even if there are no immediate Neighbors, So is it just so much of a bother that it's better to just buy a Suburban with mansion and live there instead? Meth heads have more ambition and audacity than regular Suburban Folk? I guess so. I think well there is some element of truth to this, this is very Breaking Badesque.

I don't understand why someone would willingly choose to live in california... there are so many other places that have adequate (or even better) lands to build a ranch on that aren't that unglodly shithole of a state.

>>2933511
>I'd really like to hear more stories from those in this subreddit.

>>2933580
It depends on the state and county. There are places in the country you can build easily...California is not that place. They require you have access to utilities, so for these plots you would need to drill a well and have a septic, which depending on the soil type could have to be a very expensive engineered system. If there is no road, access, or easement, it could be flat out impossible to build. Then you have all the requirements they put on any new build...I think they even require you to have solar panels integrated with the power company system. And you're not just doing this all yourself. You would need engineering plans and dozens of inspections. I bet it's at least 100-200 grand of boilerplate before you even spend a dime on your actual building. The lots in that are you can actually develop are probably the ones going for 50k...the cheaper ones I can 99.9% guarantee are worthless until some big jew developer comes along and buys them all up for commie blocks.

In California, it usually makes more sense to buy an old piece of shit house and fix it than build a new one. But as the other poster said, California is fucking cooked. It works if another state is your primary residence and you don't pay taxes, so you're just a rich person on "vacation". Even if your family is already established there, it makes no sense to pay those tax rates or do business there at all. You have to be a mind-raped slave to put up with that place.

>>2933523
Cool picture
Where can I view floodplain maps like your pic?

>>2933716
Every real estate website has map options for flood plains/satellite view

>>2933719
Oh, neat. Thank you.

Dude got a 20 year plan for the place and has never been there.

>>2933509 (OP)
This property is deemed unbuildable cause of flood plains, but makes me think it is doable because you can put a house on stilts and make it resistant to wind loading by reducing it's cross section.

>>2933511
> I'd really like to hear more stories from those in this subreddit.
You disgust me. Time for you to go back.

>>2933743
>you can put a house on stilts and make it resistant to wind loading by reducing it's cross section.
It works to a point, but with the severe weather we are getting the stilts need to be driven much deeper adding to the cost.

>>2933509 (OP)
don't ignore the astrological implications of your purchase

>>2933523
>>2933743
I think there's potential in lowballing a lot like these and having some cheap fun over the years, until flooding renders them permanently unusable, where you can tell everyone to fuck off. Like you won't do the op ranch idea, but a nice shack, maybe a hobby farm in the valley with offroading, or on the coast you just rock up and spend weekends on the beach.

>>2933511
>Subreddit
Use your location's USGS, it's not hard to read a map. If you want water quality, look at your Game and Fish, or your USGS Trump defunded these agencies, use it while you can.

>>2933509 (OP)
"No water" is not exactly the same as "no legal way to get the water you want". Pot growers aren't known for giving a fuck about the law, but maybe check on the local aquifer situation - I'd guess local zoning might be very strict about how many homes in a certain area can tap into that vein of water, which might not be all that great.

>>2933509 (OP)

Anyone who thinks we have 20 years is delusional.

>>2933511
>I don't think meth heads would be able to afford to develop 2 acres of land
they just move into empty buildings and set up shop and dump chemicals into the septic systems.. Not as problematic as the cartels moving in to set up large grow operations. They rent heavy equipment under false names and just don;t return it. They show up one day and suggest you just leave, or they are taking your water so don't complain about it. Odd how they can build such large operations easily visible from the road and the air but the sheriff seems unable to notice until politicians get involved and do tv interviews about it. Talk to local real estate agents and do some internet searches about the cartel grow problems in the area. They just show up one day and start building green houses.
here is an "old" vid, but keep in mind everyone knows this is going on and spreading, the sheriff only takes some action once they have to. so be sure to thoroughly check out the area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-XCBPMgDUc

>>2933580
>How the hell does anyone ever do anything in a rural area then I know that anybody can just go by and take your stuff even if there are no immediate Neighbors, So is it just so much of a bother that it's better to just buy a Suburban with mansion and live there instead? Meth heads have more ambition and audacity than regular Suburban Folk? I guess so. I think well there is some element of truth to this, this is very Breaking Badesque.
Didn't Breaking Bad use an RV at some point?
You are thinking about how to bring the suburban lifestyle out to the middle of nowhere. Growers are thinking about harvesting. Different desires = different outcomes. Also, you have no idea how much work goes into your suburban lifestyle. When there isn't a huge concerted effort to keep your dumb ass safe, you are literally alone in the wild. Sure you save money by not paying for emergency services, infrastructure, and all the gibs that keep poor people from being too hungry. But then you don't get the protection from all that.
If a grower wants to drain your well dry because yours is easier to use, what do you think you're going to do? Are you going to politely but firmly inform the trespasser that his actions are prohibited by law? Good luck.
Cheap property in CA is cheap because it's generations away from being useful. You buy it in hopes that your grandkids have some use for it. In the meantime, our government is using that property to provide a place for drug production.

>>2933509 (OP)
Building a conventional structure in earthquake and wildfire country is retarded so I wouldn't. I'd do what I did for my welding and vehicle shop and use Steelmaster-style buildings with their base channels bolted to steel beams (bought used, which isn't hard to find) and one-trip shipping containers. In CA reefers cost more but are magnificently rugged and insulated for the hottest weather. (If you get one or two with working Thermo King units you can run them at high temp settings as backup and to have immediate cooling.)

No eaves on Steelmaster or containers mean embers bounce off. I anti-seized all the bolts so when I got orders I disassembled it (only needing to cut two or three bolts of hundreds) and because the panels nest it fit easily on my trucks and trailers.

For living space I'd shit the extra money for reefer shipping containers which are better insulated than any conventional house and won't shake apart in a quake. I'd bolt them to steel I or H-beam (whatever you can score that's large enough, and remember you can neatly bolt beams together or weld them as needed) to have an instant foundation which does not depend on poured bases.

If in a flood plain you'd need elevation anyway so building atop a steel beam structure of suitable height anchored to at least two or three steel piles to prevent shifting.

Mounting easily installed and maintained solar panels as a roofover yield a shady air gap. You can as I did weld a simple jib with pulley on the end & a hand-cranked boat winch on the inboard end, and a set of steel stairs (also obtainable surplus) permits walking up to your roof). Used construction scaffolds are cheap and versatile.

Bolted connections are rugged & used wisely permit quick teardown for future relocation.

Do a shop you can camp in first since you'll need a shop whatever you do.

it could be the best land ever but its still in california, why the fuck would you want to live there?

>>2936467
You can hardly go hunting deer anywhere because you'll just stumble across the set for breaking bad or weeds anywhere you can reach half decently hiking out of a car.

>>2933580
I bought land in rich farmer country, its quite expensive per acre. This is the sort of place where youd expect everyone to be an upstanding citizen, very posh for rural. one of my neighbors run a "pool cleaning service" (fucking no one has pools way out here) its just their laundering operation for drug manufacturing. Police wont do shit about it. There was even a high profile shooting there a couple months ago and nothing.

And that was with me doing my due diligence, I went completely autistic vetting this place and still didnt find out about these fuckers until I had lived here a couple months. Never make assumptions.

>>2933743
flood plains != "oh you might have a 3 foot deep puddle sometimes" it means you will have a 3 foot deep river. I wouldnt count on stilts during a 100 year flood.

>>2933509 (OP)
too arid and desolate. i wouldn't buy there unless you want to be constantly terraforming and fighting against the harsh nature of the area.

Why cant you put a well there?