Thread 2943348

For making this small of a room?

>>2943348 (OP)
>kommieunits
how many ar15-cheeseburger per eagle-footballfield is this?

>>2943352
15'4" by 6'11" or 106 sqft

>>2943348 (OP)
Desk too thin, though I suppose you could put the bed on the left wall and move the desk to the bottom and it would be fine

>>2943354
Depending on how tall people get in your country that's gonna be barely enough room to fit a bed in one direction

>>2943348 (OP)
Small bedroom is still better than nothing

>>2943352
>kommieunits
>how many ar15
An M16A4 is 1 meter long.

>>2943356
Many animals will grow to fit their space. I hope OP lets his kid out so he doesn't become stunted.

>>2943348 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azmSc_5Nbuw

good luck little john.

>>2943355
Where will the shed go?

>>2943348 (OP)
Everyone's different, but I lived for two years in a room where my twin bed took up an entire wall and I had to set my chair on the bed to open the door, and I didn't really mind it.

>>2943355
>>2943356
>>2943383
>>2943386
>>2943422

>>2943386
>>2943444
My aunt provided me with steel expansion screws which I used to push the wall a foot out.

>>2943348 (OP)
Kid having his own room is already a luxury, regardless of the size. As long as there's wifi and electricity socket he should be fine. I used to live in a parnty (3.4sqm) at one point and it decent enough.
One handy trick is getting a bunk bed and using one of the bunks as additional storage space.

>>2943458
>parnty
* pantry

>>2943348 (OP)
He will definitely start to resent you at around 32 but hopefully he can move out by then

>>2943354
7 ft is the minimum width of a bedroom under Burgerland code. I wouldn't go under 8 ft (2-ft table plus two 3-ft spaces for chairs).

>>2943765
What a room is defined as by code and what the end user purposes it as aren't really related.

>>2943769
A building inspector with a tape measure is related though.

>>2943348 (OP)
I lived in a 9qm room just fine when I first moved out. If he's allowed to lock his door and still use the living room and kitchen with his friends it's allright.

>>2943348 (OP)
>when he hits puberty
Why is this part of the question? Will he be allowed to masturbate in this room? If so, then locate the bed and desk behind the door swing.

>>2943786
Call it an office when you do a major reno and nobody will care.

>>2943348 (OP)
A small bedroom is fine because bedrooms are mainly used for sleeping which doesn't require a lot of space. A spacious closet helps though so he has a place to store his belongings and winter clothing

It's too big, he'll want to stay there instead of explore the world and other boys.

>>2943796
>Will he be allowed to masturbate in this room?
Where else would he masturbate? The dinner table?

>>2943819
>Where else would he masturbate?

>>2943796
>locate the bed and desk behind the door swing.
I don't understand the point of this.

>>2943969
That way the son has a few seconds to cover his privates when a relative barges in.

>>2943969

You don't belong here

>>2943458
>bunk
Do this. Give the kid a high bed so the space below can still be used

>>2943355
This. Also add some high shelving between desk and door to take care of >>2943796
He might also like a bunk bed with a couch underneath.

>>2943348 (OP)
Why wouldn't he hate this room now?

>>2943348 (OP)
If he has room to do shit someplace else in the house, then maybe no. If that's the only place he can claim as his own then yes.
6'11" width is tiny, though. 8ft min, 10 ft is still small but workable. The bed you have there is undersized. Also bad feng shui having your head towards a window, that's how ninjas get you.

>>2943444
>Everyone can hear everyone else fap.

1890 tenement tier shit bro. I dread this when I consider moving to Europe again.

Anyway,
Get a raised bed to put shit under.

If you're a yellow man consider futons and tatami mats so you can reclaim more space. 99% of people won't do this but it's probably the most space saving and aesthetic.

Desk that can be collapsed up and down from the wall. I assume you're a renter cuck like most Euros, dunno how practical that is. I know in Germany that you can't do structural modifications in most places. I have a hankering it's similar in the rest of euroland.

Work with verticality and things that can be moved/compacted since that's all you got. Maybe look at how the Koreans and Japan live, some of them have to get creative.

>>2943444
The master bedroom should be on the other side of the house so the kids think twice about running all the way across the dark house to ruin your sexy times with the wife when they have a nightmare.
Other than that, who gives a shit what he thinks? He's gonna start butting heads with you when he hits puberty no matter how big or small his room is anyways because that's part of growing up. The only thing I might have a mind towards is possible future uses of those rooms if the job/housing market ever gets better and multigenerational homes stop becoming the necessity they are today.

>>2943352
It's crazy that Americans have to visualize imaginary retard units kek

>>2945239
Is that a real feng shuay thing kek

>>2945259
What? Like children are going to own their own homes?

>>2945065
>>2943348 (OP)
What program are you using to design this? Some free CAD?

>>2945282
A lot of fung shei stuff I've read tends to be things that I already tend to do or prefer to do without thinking about it, stuff about lines of sight where it doesn't quite feel 'right', like bed position to door or which way you face in a room when using a computer. I figure it's just ancient chinese hippy mumbo that canonicalizes innate human animal behaviors, like how humans prefer to walk alongside structures instead of in open spaces and all that noise from the millions of years of animal survival instincts.

>>2945620
>A lot of fung shei stuff I've read
any recommendations?

>>2943348 (OP)
Probably.
I bought a house and the bedrooms are about that small. I fucking HATE it and regret it frequently.

>>2945065
>bed on the half way of a window
genius idea, king

>>2945779
My bed was next to a window some years of my childhood. It was comfy.

>>2943444
na na na na family guy

>>2943348 (OP)
pocket doors would increase the amount of usable space by a lot

>>2943354
>6'11
what the fucking fuck. minimum bedroom is 12x10 and that's fucking pushing it

>>2943444
wait you are doing new construction and deliberately fucking up this badly? this has to be bait. are you heavily constrained by setbacks or something?

>>2946512
you try and fit 1 master bedroom and 3 smaller ones in the top floor of an 8x8m house
>>2945631
Fuck that makes me want to spend more cash to make it a bit bigger.
>>2945286
yee..floorplancreator. Its free and in browser and keeps your project saved every time you go on the site until you delete it, pretty handy
>>2945259
I was thinking a thicker wall and sound insulation would be enough. cramming 4 rooms in an 8x8m is hard.

Anyway, here's edition 2.0 with a bay window! (ignore that """master""" bathroom, wanted to see how it looked)

>>2946591
>you try and fit 1 master bedroom and 3 smaller ones in the top floor of an 8x8m house
Finish the basement and put one down there instead.

>hate me
Worse, hell be small of body and spirit and love you for it

>>2946591
>you try and fit 1 master bedroom and 3 smaller ones in the top floor of an 8x8m house
can it be a 9x9 or 10x10m house?

>>2946591
holy shit there is no bathroom. wtf are you doing dude. and there are no closets, what the fuck are those, wardrobes? bifold doors on a master bath which doesn't have enough room to fucking turn around in? this is shittier than a norwegian prison cell. where the fuck are the 5 people on this floor supposed to take a shit and shower? what the fuck are you doing!

In what country is it common for kids to have loveseats in their bedrooms?

>>2946833
america, i had a sofa and a comfy leather chair and a desk in my room growing up

>>2943348 (OP)
I lived in an apartment smaller than that for over a year and miss it - if your son also has a bathroom and kitchen AND all that free space in his room, he'll be happy
I also have a friend whose room is pretty much this, and he still lives with his parents and hasn't used up the whole room. How you use space is a lot more valuable than the space itself

>>2943348 (OP)
When your son hits puberty, she'll be your daughter!

>>2947275
Reminder that there is nothing that "makes" someone trans, they either are or aren't. And when they come out is determined by if they feel safe expressing that to you or not.

>>2947309
just like schizophrenia

>>2947314
False comparison.

>>2947309
I've talked to people who've been groomed into it and regretted it heavily. I've witnessed people go down rabbit holes that led to transgenderism. You are either malicious, myopic, or misinformed.

>>2947405
Both are reality integrity disorders.

>>2947438
"Transgenderism" is a made up term by hatemongers to pretend it's a "social disease" and not an inherent trait. Less than 1% of people who transition detransition, and of those more than 99% state they did so because of social conflict, not because they aren't trans. So i find your claims "full of shit."

>Both are reality integrity disorders.
Being trans is absolutely not the same as being schizophrenic.

https://atmos.earth/political-landscapes/fossil-fuel-billionaires-are-bankrolling-the-anti-trans-movement/
Gee, I wonder why they want you distracted and attacking a tiny, weak minority group for existing?

>>2947546
>Less than 1% of people who transition detransition
Now include suicide as a form of detransitioning.

>>2947546
We don't put schizophrenics on TV and in media and make kids hang out with them. Notice how there's no major social movement against schizophrenics?

>>2947596
Now you're just making shit up. Suicide attempts plummet post-transition. Also, that 40% number is attempts, not completed suicides, and would go down with general cultural awareness and acceptance of trans identities.

>>2947599
Fuck off with this. Being schizophrenic is a mental disorder. Being trans is not. The only mental disorder associated with being trans is Gender Dysphoria, which is not a necessary diagnosis to start Gender-Affirming Care, and the DSM-V treatment for it is patient-tailored GAC.

>>2943355
>desk in a position where his back is facing the window
Do you want his son to be exposed to sniper fire?

>>2943348 (OP)
Looks cozy. My childhood room in a rowhome was even smaller, yet I never thought it wasn't enough space. My protip is to get a futon from Ikea so the bed becomes a couch during the day.
Also, if you're building now, make sure to load the walls with mass-loaded vinyl. You're going to want soundproofing.

The size of the bedroom doesn't matter. What matters is how far away the bedroom is from the main living spaces. I've been a happy neet because my bedroom is on the 2nd floor on the complete opposite end of the house from the living room. I'm completely isolated. I don't hear them and they don't hear me if I shout at a video game.

>>2947546
>Gee, I wonder why they want you distracted and attacking a tiny, weak minority group for existing?
I want my friends who transitioned (one successful suicide, one serious suicide attempt that I know about, two others are shells of their former selves and constantly visiting hospitals) to keep existing. I want you people to stop maiming and killing them so they can help me with autistic builds to post on /diy/ instead of rotting in caskets and hospital beds.
>>2947630
>Being schizophrenic is a mental disorder. Being trans is not.
I would agree only insofar as transgenderism can be a manifestation of different pathologies and is arguably more of a symptom of disorder rather than the disorder itself.
>The only mental disorder associated with being trans is Gender Dysphoria[...] the DSM-V
Dr. Kenneth Zucker was chair of the workgroup on Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders for DSM-V in 2012 and a leading international expert on gender dysphoria in children and adolescents. Monied activists got his clinic shut down in 2015 because he dared to examine *why* a kid might want to transition before prescribing radical life-altering surgery and medication (which he did prescribe). This isn't medical or scientific consensus, this is lawfare and radical political activism serving to maim children into being lifelong medical customers.

>>2947665
And you're just a liar. You're full of shit, nothing you've said is true, and does not match with reality.

>>2947309
Shut up, please, this is the DIY board

>>2947932
>this is the DIY board
exactly

>>2946591
Yeah if you can make it bigger, please do.
The house I live in now is smaller than my first house, which was smaller than my parents house.
Sick and tired of living in tiny cucksheds.

>>2943348 (OP)
Your son hates you regardless of puberty. And he will hate you more the more he understands you.

>>2948983
What the fuck is your problem, edgy dork.

>>2943348 (OP)
He just needs a door with a lock on it, and internet. You know why.

Just be sure to block Instagram, Facebook, and Tiktok on your router.

>>2949104
>and internet. You know why.
That's exactly why he shouldn't have internet in his room, minimizes the risk of going down weird porn rabbit holes during formative years. Instagram, Facebook, and Tiktok are only the tip of the iceberg.

>>2949106
that image ruined my morning coffee sip

>>2949106
Again, being trans is not something you "become" because of the internet.

Becoming a full-retard alt-righty is absolutely a real danger, though. The algorithms aggressively send kids down that rabbit hole.

>>2949114
Believing genetics are real makes you a right wing extremist. Believing delusional schizophrenics who cut off body parts makes you a well adjusted, compassionate member of society.
>bicycle horns honking in the distance

>>2949108
That wasn't my intent, but I suppose I don't feel too bad since you were normalizing unfettered access to internet pornography for children. I hope you enjoy the rest of your morning and coffee Anon.

>>2949114
I've been unfortunately personally invested in this subject since long before "alt-right" entered the public lexicon. The reality of what drives transgenderism is more nuanced than what the radicals in your Discord server would have you believe.

>>2949120
>what drives transgenderism
can you elaborate on this topic?

>>2947665
>I want my friends who transitioned (one successful suicide, one serious suicide attempt that I know about, two others are shells of their former selves and constantly visiting hospitals) to keep existing. I want you people to stop maiming and killing them
Tell doctors to stop lying to them and literally mutilating them and injecting them with hormones and promising results they cannot deliver while charging them hundreds of thousands of dollars. You have Stockholm syndrome and you think the people actually abusing you are your friends. They just want your money, it's an elective surgery, it's incredibly lucrative. The people telling you to stop and that you are making yourself a freak living talking science experiment are assholes but they're giving you better advice than the people you pay to validate your mental illness. If trans people got therapy and accepted who they were born as all these people would be out of a job. They need you feeling alienated and believing that they are the only ones who understand you and the rest of the world is wrong, but they can sell you what you need to make it right.

>>2949116
No, you just stopped learning biology in 4th grade, dumbass.

>>2949120
Again, "transgenderism" is a bullshit term invented to pretend that being trans is a "social disease" and not a legitimate state of being.

>>2949124
He was lying, dumbass.

>>2949124
>If trans people got therapy
Where the fuck do you think the process to start transitioning happens? They have to spend months with a psychiatrist just to get started on the process.

What you think should happen is called Conversion Therapy, which does not fucking work.

>>2949123
Nothing "drives transgenderism" because that's not real.

>>2949123
Keeping it somewhat concise, there are several pathologies driving individuals towards transgenderism. Sometimes you'll find people othering to cope with trauma, indulging in autogynophilia, or trying to use gender ideology to explain why their asperger's asses don't fit in with normal people. Sometimes that trauma can be from sexual abuse, combat experience, or simply being an autistic chick who hit puberty and couldn't cope with the physical and social changes. Autogynophilia can stem from different influences, pornography rabbit holes being one non-trivial risk factor and childhood abuse another. The autistic gender ideology case highlights the danger of the social contagion aspect: weird kids hyperfixating on one rigid explanation for why they're weird and finding social reinforcement and acceptance in a niche community. Various mental illnesses, drugs, etc. can also factor into what's often a very complex tangle of issues troubling an individual. It's almost never a simple matter of "born in the wrong body" and anyone who denies this is either ill-informed or dishonest.

The extreme pornography and chatroom grooming risk factors towards the development of transgenderism are good arguments for Anon not putting internet in his kid's room.

On the institutional side there's a lot of money in going along with it and a lot of expensive legal threats if you don't. Online transgender groups will give you instructions for scaring the hospital staff into putting you on exogenous hormones immediately instead of doing traditional due diligence, which is now often derided as "conversion therapy" under the insane assertion that asking a kid why he feels like he should grow tits and chop off his dick is somehow more abusive than wrecking his hormonal profile and chopping off his dick without question. Current industry "best practices" are more the result of activist lawfare than scientific consensus and are not consistent with the standards for parallel conditions.

>>2949138
>Making a bunch of bullshit up

>>2949138
>which is now often derided as "conversion therapy"
Because it is, and decades of medical research and patient case studies prove that you're full of shit.

>>2949135
>biology means men can cut their dicks off and become women! it's science™!
you're fucking retarded and i have a chemistry degree which included undergraduate biology, psychopharmacology and other shit you think is invalid because a quack social scientist made up some bullshit

>>2949141
show me a single man who has actually become a woman with a womb and ovaries. you are the one that is full of shit. you can change definitions all you want, you can't change reality. filling the literature with your delusions does not make them real. having other people who are just as deluded doesn't make it real. go talk to heavens gate, they all believed their cult leader so much they drank the koolaid just like you are.

>>2949124
I agree. You may be misinterpreting my post. I'm blaming transgender cultists for grooming my autistic friends into self-harm and for using lawfare to coerce the medical establishment into endorsing it. I would caution against assuming modern therapists will talk an individual out of transitioning: some of them push the idea hard.

>I feel like a woman
What could you possibly base that off of. You have no idea what that's like. A woman could be 300 lb fat biker dyke heavy equipment operator and she'll stab you for looking at her honey.

... but she's actually, effortlessly a woman. Everything she does is a thing a woman would do because she is one. You dressing up like barbie doesn't make you even 1% a woman, it makes you an ugly man.

You will simply never be one, nor do you even understand what that means. Ypu will never even be 'passing.' Our doctors are much closer to a medieval barber than Dr. MCcoy or The Culture or whatever your favorite transhumanist fantasy book is. We hack pieces off and give you a barely understood cocktail of chemicals that causes organ failure and cancer I'm 10 years if you actually take them.

>>2949151

even though, how the fuck are you to tell what others must do with their life?

Why do you care so much? Did you wanted to be trans?

Or are you a closet homosexual? And due to that you have to leash on others to control your inner impulses to become a trans woman, or gay men, right?

Have you ever done therapy? Or you just fallow your priest of holy advisor?

Just breath deeply dude, it is not of your concern what other do with their own body, it is up to you to just help humanity with what you can give of best. Its up to other people to do the same with their life's. If one wants to become the closest possible and transition to a woman with the low tech that we have now it is up to them to decide with their own critical thinking and biases. I know you want to advise those people with statistics, and it is true, almost all post operated people aren't happy and feel somewhat mutilated, still, it is not up to you to decide for them, you only have the right to show the facts and statistics, and honestly, keep your own opinion to yourself, you may cause more harm than good by addressing felling to facts. Just give the facts, since against facts there aren't arguments.

Be good bro, do therapy, take care of your mind, you ranting to random dudes at a anonymous forum. Why?

>>2949156
>even though, how the fuck are you to tell what others must do with their life?
>Why do you care so much? Did you wanted to be trans?
see >>2947599
stop fucking being visible and disgusting mentally ill freaks that are invading every fucking online community posting pictures of yourselves crossdressing. do this shit in private and nobody will fucking care how mentally ill you are.

>>2949148
my mistake I just rant from the hip on this site for the most part, cheers

>>2949143
>>2949145
>>2949148
>>2949151
>Full retard assholes mad at women for existing

>>2949159
>I hate other people for existing and living a fulfilling, better life for themselves

>>2949162
i hate people existing who make culture about sexual fetishism and then include children. you are disgusting mentally ill freaks and the world would be a happier and more noble place without you.

>>2949156
>and it is true, almost all post operated people aren't happy and feel somewhat mutilated
Why lie about this? Gender-affirming care surgeries have the lowest regret rate of under 1% of any surgery. Knee replacements, which let people walk pain-free again, have a rate of 6-30%.

>>2949164
So, you're just making shit up again because you're a hate-filled void who has no love or empathy.

>>2949159
Dude those psychics and other crap are schizophrenics. What kids are forced to hang out with trans-woman? Who cares anyway? Have kids been objectively harmed? You can't persuade some one to transition, that is impossible, you can't also persuade someone to not transition, that will wreak people life's. Just let people do what ever they want, why do you bother so much? Why do you care? It isn't your life bro.

Why been visible feels like something dangerous for you? Do you have the urge to become a trans-woman when you see them? If that is the case, maybe you do have genders dysphoria.

I feel no harm to look at them, but been honest, I do feel pity, I feel they will never achieve what they want, still it is their choice to do it. Like you I feel the same regarding to that, they will pursue something they will never obtain, still it isn't up to me to decide what they can or not do. Why do you feel you can decide for them?

People should have free will, they have to do what they feel is right, if it doesn't harm other humans.

>>2949165
Ok, maybe I have old statistics, I will take a look around. Sorry about that. If you can post your data it would be better for me. Thanks for correcting me.

>>2949166
if by making shit up you mean watching what is happening in front of my fucking face every day and evaluating it for what it is rather than repeating the rote propaganda surrounding it. anal sex and venerial disease is nothing to be proud of. cross dressing is nothing to be proud of. having to wear diapers due to the destruction of you cloaca is nothing to be proud of. making the rest of the world call you by different pronouns than the ones their eyes and ears tell them to use is nothing to be proud of. you are delusional. by your logic we should refer to all schizophrenics as gods and prophets because it is real in their mind.

>>2949167
>Why been visible feels like something dangerous for you?
why do you not want people to rub shit all over themselves in public? do you secretly want to rub shit all over yourself in public? why can't you just let people enjoy themselves they aren't hurting anyone!

>>2949168
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8099405/

Also of key note, less than 1% of trans people detransition, and findings are that of that, the majority report it was because of negative social pressures they experienced, not because they felt they weren't actually trans.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8213007/

Also a key note is that while hatemongers love to claim that they're "defending lesbians" from trans people, surveys of the actual lesbian community find that 96% of them support their fellow ladies.
https://www.wearequeeraf.com/lesbians-support-the-trans-and-non-binary-community-just-look-at-all-the-evidence/

>>2949165
Ok, I found this https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10227974/

>Among transgender people, 12.9% can be classified as “extremely dissatisfied”, 18.3% can be classified as “dissatisfied”, 12.9% can be classified as “slightly dissatisfied”, 7.5% as “neutral”, 30.1% as “slightly satisfied”, 17.2% as “satisfied” and 1.1% as “extremely satisfied”. Higher levels of life satisfaction were associated with higher age (β=.15, p<.05), higher school education (β=5.54, p<.001), and favorable self-rated health (β=2.20, p<.001).

>half of the people are not really happy, the other half is kind of okey with it.

That would conclude, based in statistics that it is okey to just no transition. But you may get lucky and be part of the other half, but you have to face a life threatening surgery. But people should do what they feel its right, anyway.

>>2949169
No, you are making shit up, lying, and being a general asshole.

>>2949175
no u

>>2949170
And wouldn't care less if they do it, would feel like I am close to a homeless person who shitted themself, would just get out of there as fast as possible. What is your point?

>>2949172
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10227974/
Maybe actually read deeper into that, because that's a survey of social complications, and a lot of the factors are the same ones cis people have with life satisfaction, so that's not really saying anything special about trans people.

>>2949177
that just like people smearing themselves in shit you are disgusting and I don't want you in my society, posting pictures of yourself online in various hobby forums completely unrelated to your mental illness, and i would strongly prefer to never hear a mention of anything related to your delusions ever again.

>>2949178
>prove it!
>NOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT!
you are a homosexual man with severe mental illness

>>2949179
>Comparing someone being their true self and being happier about who they are living as with a completely left-field bullshit comparison

>>2949181
yes schizophrenia was a much better analogy in my opinion. a mental delusion that you are something which you are not.

>>2949180
Or the "proof" you posted was one you didn't read and avoided the deeper meanings of to make a point the study doesn't make.

>>2949183
But, again, it's not the same thing. You can treat schizophrenia with medication because it's a chemical imbalance.

There is no effective treatment for "being trans" except patient-tailored gender-affirming care.

>>2949171

I haven't counter arguments, that is solid enough.

Still, half of them would rather haven't made the transition, if we base that half was partially unsatisfied, or neutral. But they can't know the out come before the surgery.


Although, if you think about the motives to detrasition, it seems worth to transition, since it would be the closest to not do the surgery, they will feel the best possible with the tech is available now. They would not spend the effort to go back, so it is the closest to the best possible than not transitioning to the mean population that consider that.

>>2949186
>Still, half of them would rather haven't made the transition, if we base that half was partially unsatisfied, or neutral.
That's not what the link you posted says.

>>2949179
So just go to a muslin country, you haven't that kind of thing in there. Here in the occidental word we are free bro, people do what they want of their life's.

>>2949185
wrong, there have been studies where antipsychotics stopped crossdressing behavior also:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165178121005679

>>2949188
funny that you are doing everything you can to make the occidental world less occidental. this society isn't going to last much longer.

>>2949189
You can't even read the actual article there, but that's just nonsense.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's similar to that one clinic's "we have a really high desistance rate!" claim based on the fact that they were counting patients not coming back and probably going elsewhere as "desisting" because they were using outdated, incorrect diagnostic and treatment methodology.

>>2949187
>>Among transgender people, 12.9% can be classified as “extremely dissatisfied”, 18.3% can be classified as “dissatisfied”, 12.9% can be classified as “slightly dissatisfied”, 7.5% as “neutral”, 30.1% as “slightly satisfied”, 17.2% as “satisfied” and 1.1% as “extremely satisfied”. Higher levels of life satisfaction were associated with higher age (β=.15, p<.05), higher school education (β=5.54, p<.001), and favorable self-rated health (β=2.20, p<.001).
>>half of the people are not really happy, the other half is kind of okey with it.

I am inducing that since, half the people get unsatisfied or neutral with the procedure, they would not do it if they knew before hand how they would feel.

I am also inducing that, since that the majority would not un-do the procedure they consider the harm of the procedure bigger than living in the actual condition of been transitioned and not been really satisfied .
I think we have similar opinions, maybe I wasn't able to express myself correctly. Could you express you point more clearly?

>>2949195
You realize that that's just "general life satisfaction," not specifically "as being trans," right? You'd get similar numbers asking Cis people.

>>2949190
They occidental world emerged from gay Greek man dude. Romans would do orgies regularly, have you ever went to the metropolitan? The occidental world is gay, there are art of the Greek at Symposiums with hard dicks fucking each-other, that was where democracy and our culture come from.

The fact that you can't accept people will want to have sex with their own gender just make you a probably closet homosexual, you cant feel safe that you are heterosexual, so you just bash on homosexuals so you feel safer inside your own head.

There was also trans-woman in the roman and greek world.

>>2949195
>We would like to draw attention to some strengths and shortcomings of our study. This study determines life satisfaction exclusively among transgender people. It is important to pay attention to this because it is a vulnerable group that is difficult to reach. In addition, a very established tool was used to identify life satisfaction. The cross-sectional methodology of our study and the unclear generalizability of this hospital-based population are notable drawbacks. A further limitation is the small sample size of our study. Moreover, a shortcoming of our study is the sole focus on life satisfaction. Future studies are needed to clarify the determinants of affective well-being (such as negative or positive affect) among transgender people. Furthermore, upcoming studies are needed to investigate the determinants of sexual satisfaction among transgender people.

>>2949201
Yeah, it is just a study, like anything we can't have access to complete reality, just part of it. In my head it is good enough to conclude people should transition, if they want to. The probability of happiness seen higher if transitioning.

>>2949200
>There was also trans-woman in the roman
One was even the Emperor for a while. They were mainly overthrown because she was a priestess of an obscure deity that she forced on the empire over the mainstream pantheon, but was also just not trained to rule and had no idea what she was doing. It was actually a bit tragic that she was forced into the seat.

>>2949204
Generally, what I see from actual trans people is that they all at least feel better about who they are and care more about themselves post-transition than they did before.

>>2949200
sweet and the roman and greek world both failed and most civilizational advances since the third century AD have come from the parts of europe where homosexuals were drowned face down in a bog

>>2949207
That's a gross oversimplification following the usual erasure of LGBTQ people from history.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/enbrotherment-what-was-it.459388/

>>2949209
>alternate history dot com
lmao nice fanfiction

>>2949207
I'll also note that the Roman empire didn't fail because of "the gays" but because of the greed of the upper classes erasing the social contract combined with them expanding so large that it became too expensive to maintain the empire.

And the Greeks were conquered by the Romans.

>>2949207
Yeah, the anglo-saxonic were indigenous people from the north with no idea of engineering, they lived in mud houses and primitive places. They had to first be colonized by the Romans, later when the Roman empire ended each one of those colonies eventually become a Nation State, and even later fought wars to have colonies and replicate the roman imperialism (they suffered) at their own way. It is like that phrase, but with societies, "When education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor".

Also, is the same situation you live now, you would be happier been gay and finding your own sexuality, but you had no liberating education, so you just can't stand yourself and hide behind your macho insecurity, by bashing others who found their sexuality. Do therapy dude, you need to fix your head. I don't think you are straight, I think you are a closet homosexual.

>>2949212
hadrian was the only good queer ever

>>2949211
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelphopoiesis

>>2949213
if i were gay i wouldn't have all the woman problems i have. anal sex is just fucking disgusting, there's shit in there bro and it breaks the anus so you have to wear diapers after a few years. you're all mentally ill and if everyone were like you we would go extinct in one generation.

>>2949216
>it breaks the anus so you have to wear diapers after a few years.
This is a fundamental lie based on no reality. Who told you this, Stormfront?

>>2949215
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelphopoiesis
LOOK AT THE FUCKING SOURCES HAHAHAHAHA
>Nik Jovčić-Sas
>@NikJovcicSas
>Violinist, LGBTQ+ Activist, Drag Queen, Eastern Orthodox Theologian & Vampire.
hahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>2949216
Yeah, I don't like anal sex too, I am straight. I have gay friends and trans friends too, that isn't a problem to me, people live their life like they want it.

What is strange for me is other people that want to control who surround them. Why would you care what other do with their own body or life?I only care if they are good people and trying to contribute to society, I only don't like parasites who do nothing of their life's.

Why do you care so much about trans people? Let their do what they think is best, if their harm other people that is another question, I would stop any human trying to harm other people, regardless to their gender. We only need a productive society, I don't care what people want to do with their bodies.

>>2949166
>making shit up again
>again
That's a different Anon, I stopped replying to you days ago because you're all seethe and no substance. The fact that you're derailing a thread about OP's son with fantasies about trooning him out highlights Anon's criticism of roping children into your fetishism.

>>2949218
And? What is your claim here? That "Not marriage but provides the same legal benefits for two men together", a thing that did exist, doesn't count?

>>2949220
And there you go making shit up again. Nobody is trying to "troon out" anybody, just tell you to be accepting and be someone who they can trust to come out to if they do.

>>2949219
because fundamentally our society's shift from sex= reproduction to sex=pleasure is making western civilization go extinct and i don't want that to happen so some kind of radical change is required and putting all the queers back in the closet seems like one of many rational steps we can take to return to not going fucking extinct. how about that?

>>2949222
Man, that must have taken you a whole 15 minutes to make 5 years ago.

>>2949221
when your source is someone who's profile is
>mental illness, mental illness, mental illness, mental illness, mental illness
i'm not going to take anything you have to say seriously

>>2949224
That's certainly the propaganda.

>>2949226
>Not classified as mental illness by anyone with a real degree

>>2949227
>observable trends in demographics and culture aren't real! it's propaganda! stop looking at things and reading! trust the TV man!

>>2949228
my degree is in chemistry

>>2949229
Hey, maybe we're having declining birth rates and fear of contact because the economy is fucked due to the ultra-rich making all of us poorer, and they use minorities as a scapegoat so we don't go after them instead.

>>2949230
So, completely unrelated.

>>2949230
How different is a chemistry degree from a chemical engineering degree?

>>2949224
Relax, go have sex for pleasure, we aren't going instinct

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p07r4jdg/the-world-s-first-artificial-womb-for-humans

We will become cyborgs in you life time. Also this, the State will chose the best genes in the future so we will have smarter, stronger etc generations.

Everything is meaningless, the third stone from the sun will be fried by it in a million or two years. And we will become different than the actual humans we are if we leave Earth and start to live in spaceships, things will change regardless. It isn't up to us to decide nothing, we will just maximize free energy absorption from the system. And our morphology and culture will just change to adapt in things that are viable to leave descendants. I am a PhD in physics, although this is not my field, all I said is plausible.

>>2949233
less math and harder to get a job unless you go to grad school and get a phd. ended up going into finance, hated it, now i build houses and have my own company.
>>2949232
ur right i should have pursued pseudogenderscience and making shit up and changing definitions to always be right and denying your senses because making 1984 real is extremely valid
>>2949234
>We will become cyborgs in you life time
wow so you are extra mentally ill and delusional

>>2949231
Yeah, if we don't change that China will swallow all of the occidentals. We need to eat the rich before our culture is decimated.

A billionaire spend in 90 minutes the same energy a regular person spend in their life time, this shit needs to end. If you kill a billionaire you save a lot more energy than if you completely halted consuming any resources. That is a hard to swallow truth, we need to end this problem now.

https://www.oxfamamerica.org/press/billionaires-emit-more-carbon-pollution-in-90-minutes-than-the-average-person-does-in-a-lifetime/

>>2949235
>ur right i should have pursued pseudogenderscience and making shit up and changing definitions to always be right and denying your senses because making 1984 real is extremely valid
You realize that this is just the bullshit that the rich want you to spend your energy on instead of realizing you've got more in common with the people you're talking shit about than with the people who are genuinely your enemy, right?

A chemistry degree is useful, but the humanities are IMPORTANT because they are about understanding each other and our world.

But, again, a chemistry degree is not the same as psychiatry, which is a completely different field of science that you have no expertise in.

I think everyone said what they had to say, one day people will reflect deeper and search for understanding. For now, lets just get back to the main topic.

>>2949235
>We will become cyborgs in you life time
>wow so you are extra mentally ill and delusional
One of my friends who transitioned back in the day viewed it as a transhumanist biohacking project and you'll find other transgenders who put themselves under the transhumanist umbrella. These are people who reject and revile biological reality.

>>2949241
Cool story bro.

>>2949241
that's like a stripper acting like she is a pioneer for future tech because she got lip filler and bolt on tits. they just have a warped sense of reality and delusions of grandeur.
>>2949238
humanities have become baseless drivel and fanfiction tier horseshit. they debunked iq by calling all the people who collected data and made tests "racists" and that was seen as a valid criticism within the humanities. your studies are a joke and people from the STEM community have made a mockery of you by submitting word salad papers for peer review and being published in your journals.
>>2949231
jews and yes, this is correct and they are promoting all of the things killing our culture and civilization, including the lgbt stuff
>>2949236
see above
>>2949240
agreed, OPs floorplan is bullshit as there is one closet sized bathroom for five people on one floor. the bedrooms don't have closets. he needs to either remove a bedroom (or two realistically) or build a bigger house.

>hey guys look at my house plan!
>hours of LGBBQ debate ensues
The mental illness on this website.

Also, why is it always
>if you don't like gays you're gay!
If you don't like rapists, I guess we should put you in jail amirite?

>>2949199
>asking Cis people.
I identify as cis, and I prefer the term "sane people", thank you

>>2949167
>Just let people do what ever they want, why do you bother so much? Why do you care? It isn't your life bro.

Nah society should strongly dictate behavior and kill anyone that doesn't conform, why would you let people do what they want? Are you a commie, or worse, american? freedom is a mistake

>>2949246
>I identify as cis, and I prefer the term "sane people", thank you
i call it normal

>>2949246
>>2949247
>People who dislike the term cis have that because they think trans is a slur
"Normal" is a box the people in power can pick and choose who goes in it and who gets to be "in" and who gets to be "out." And it's really easy to find that you are "out" because of something completely innocent. And the people currently in power are the types who always need a new out group when they run out of the current one to vilify.

>>2949245
OK Stormie

>>2949249
>"Normal" is a box the people in power can pick and choose who goes in it and who gets to be "in" and who gets to be "out." And it's really easy to find that you are "out" because of something completely innocent.
really because I call it normal because those are the members of the species required to have the species not go extinct after one fucking generation. forming a reproducing pair is normal. everything else is a dead end. stop acting like you know fuck all about biology when you can't acknowledge this simple fact.

>>2949250
Humanity doesn't need all individuals reproducing to keep itself going. We're a social collective species, and when things are right we work together for the common good. And people who don't reproduce themselves contribute to that as well.

Right now we are not in a state where things are working right, and LGBTQ people being allowed to exist as themselves is not the cause of our problems. And you are playing right into the hands of those greedy few who want you to focus on them instead of how much the ones with all the money and power are screwing you over.

>>2949249
>"Normal" is a box the people in power can pick and choose who goes in it and who gets to be "in" and who gets to be "out."
Gee I should have guessed
>doesn't know biology, and what sex is
>doesn't know mathematics, and what "norm" and "normal" means
You're WAY less than 50% of people, making you abnormal.

>trans don't reproduce but they can still be a part of society!
Yeah they first need to stop watching porn, come out in the open and relate to other people before they can be a part of society... Oh wait maybe it's better if they don't so I don't have to see them IRL

>>2949261
>doesn't know biology
I actually learned more about it past 4th grade level.

>how can I plan this upper floor of my house?
>thread turns into yet another argument about trannies

>>2949270
It's a weird obsession for right wingers, they have to make everything about their pet minority that they hate.

>>2949270
Heard Iran might bomb Israel again soon, hopefully some posters will stop posting once again. Weird how you gotta wait on war in the middle east for the internet to be usable

>>2949268
>1/10000 people unable to reproduce with mangled organs.

This isn't a new state beginning to evolve. This is a disorder. 99.99% aren't even like this anyway. They're perfectly functional (or were before starting treatment) They've been brainwashed into it, or have a different mental disorder.

>>2949272
But why did OP make it about puberty?

>>2949276
LGBTQIA people have always existed, and have never been a threat to human survival.

>>2949281
Do you really have no reading comprehension? By saying this you have admitted you do understand what I am saying but are pretending not in order to get more updoots

>>2949272
If you review the start of the thread it doesn't appear to be "right wingers" who dredged up that topic.

>>2949282
No, you have no understanding of much of anything. You're making up bullshit that doesn't fit reality because it doesn't match your brainwashing.

>>2943348 (OP)
when i was teen, i had very similar room and it felt comfy.

>>2949283
Considering that this is the post that started it, no, you're wrong. >>2947275

And that post is an aggressively right-wing propaganda post.

>>2949297
no it's a faggot bringing up their ideology and projecting it onto children, since all you lgbt fucks are pedophiles

>>2949290
Did anyone else ever say rainbow alliance people didn't exist? Wtf are you talking about

>>2949318
No there's some projection from the right wing. When the Epstein list getting released?

Realistically your little goon goblin will kill you in your sleep. Only a matter of time.

Honestly guys, go get therapy. This went to such a point I am imagining the same person posting and faking to be pro-trans and anti-trans. Wtf diy...

Why bothering about people that feel like they were born in the the wrong gender? Just let them be, or move to a muslin country were its a criminal act to be gay etc.

All this shit make me feel like I have species dysphoria, I never wanted to be a human, it is even worse than gender dysphoria, I wish I didn't have to deal with human anymore... fucking plague of this earth. You guys deserve the civil wars and the nuclear holocaust that will come in this century.

>>2949335
Oooh he's almost out of his egg it's cracking!

>>2949335
Why bother them? Because they bother people I care about, and therefore bother me personally. Perverts try to groom children and psychologically vulnerable adults into maiming themselves. Being someone who does /diy/ stuff on 4chan there's a higher than average probability that your social circle and family have enough autism etc. that people you care about may be vulnerable to this.

>>2949252
Guess what else we don't need? Mentally ill faggots!

>>2949324
Never because trump is blackmailed by the same jewish child rapists working for mossad as the rest of the people in power. You don't get it. Right wing people under 45 years old don't want trump, we want Hitler.

>>2949392
You mean because Trump is on the list.

Oh hey, didn't his pastor just get arrested for being a pedo?

>>2949387
>Their mere existed makes me so angry it rearranges reality for me so they affect me!

>>2949391
OK, you go first.

>>2949395
allowing vile creatures to exist is itself a sin

>>2949397
Yet you're still here.

>>2949395
*and*that's*a*good*thing*

>>2949401
The fact that you have to make shit up about them when there's real pedos you're protecting just proves my point.

>>2949402
Go-ahead. Go get the real pedo bro. If you got evidence leading the conviction of Hillary Clinton or trump, go ahead. Let's get em. Prosecute. 20 years to life. Do it.

Fucking do it.

'One plain hot dog. No bun'

>>2943348 (OP)
I lived in a room like this when I was younger. It was very nice. I prefer it to larger rooms

>>2949404
Trump's admin and the entire GOP Congress is preventing it, and you know it.

>>2949404
>'One plain hot dog. No bun'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulBS3yATpYc

>>2949408
As opposed to the Democrat congress and democrats prosecutors and the democrats presidents that wpuld definitely have prosecuted trump.if they had any evidence of this?

>>2949412
You realize that those cases were in process then shut down when he retook office, right?

>>2949394
>>2949402
>>2949408
>>2949416
everyone wants the epstein list released, nobody give a fuck about trump, he's a retard who sold his soul to the jews a long fucking time ago

>>2949419
>EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS DA JOOZ!
You're a fucking idiot.

>>2949425
epstein and maxwell are both literally jewish, as is les wexner who financed epstein "being a billionaire" maxwell's father was a member of mossad. trumps children married jews. yes in fact it is the fucking jews every fucking time.
here's the oracle founder's (larry ellison, jew) leaked emails where he vetted marco rubio in 2015 to make sure he was pro-israel enough
https://archive.is/AfAgK
here is where he is buying tiktok to ban criticism of israel
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/23/technology/larry-ellison-oracle-tiktok.html
and then go look up trump being told what to do by miriam adelson so he could get funding for his campaign. it's all jews. completely 100% irrefutable.

>>2949427
bonus points: oracle was made by the CIA and then given to Larry Ellison. DARPA made facebook, but they at least changed it's name from lifelog to facebook. the cia project was named project oracle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog
>The LifeLog program was canceled on February 4th 2004 after criticism concerning the privacy implications of the system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook
>Founded February 4, 2004; 21 years ago in Cambridge, Massachusetts, US
and oracle
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP83T00573R000500080009-3.pdf
which gave us oracle corporation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Corporation
so our country and our media is being run by jews who privatized government programs that were shut down for being a violation of privacy rights and now they're filthy rich and can buy up everything else, especially platforms that criticize them

>>2949138
I think a huge factor is the social and institutional discrimination that a lot of young people have grown up with, as well. They've spent their lives being told that people's value is essentially based on historical oppression and being any combination of straight, white, and male is a ticket to being socially ostracized and having worse scholarship, college admissions, and employment prospects, along with just having to see torrents of indirect vitriol every time you go near the mainstream internet or media. Going trans is an instant ticket out of the "straight white male" (or even female) doghouse and into a position where people can't even legitimately criticize anything you do without being attacked. It's no surprise that it's an attractive option, or that it's most common among straight white males and especially ones who lack the social skills or confidence to succeed despite the barriers being placed in front of them.

>>2949431
>so our country and our media is being run by jews
No, they're run by rich people, a few of whom happen to be jews, but in general are just invested in the usual game of manipulating everything so they can take more.

>>2949447
Or, you know, they're just actually trans and have the ability in the modern world to learn that those feelings they have are real, and something other people have and that there's a real answer to how to deal with it. Much like how even just a couple generations ago people were abused out of being left-handed.

>>2949461
>1/10,000 people for all of history, even in trans affirming societies.
>suddenly in 2022, 1/4 people
Okay. Yeah this is real.

>>2949465
Who the fuck has said "1/4 of people" at any point?

>>2949465
The actual rate is maybe 1/100 in reality.

>>2949459
>No, they're run by rich people
oh so rich people just got together and got the federal government to order tencent to sell tiktok to jews so they could ban people criticizing israel, yeah dude, it's rich people not jews.

>>2949467
No that was the guys.

And the number of incidence doesn't make it not a disease.

>>2949472
It not being a disease is what makes it not a disease. There's nothing unhealthy in their brains, the brain is just developed as the gender they identify as rather than their birth sex.

There is no "social contagion."

>>2949470
What the fuck are you smoking? Rupert Murdoch isn't Jewish, he's just a rich Aussie.

>>2949475
That's funny. What's a gendered.brain for? Can we kick all the useless women Brains out for all STEM now? We spent all of the 20th century being quite sure there wasn't gendered brains.

>>2949495
You realize that you sound really fucking stupid, right? What gender you are isn't defined by your genitals, it's in your brain. It's also not related to intellectual capacity, you fucking regressive moron.

>>2949498
No no. This is your point. Do boy and girl brains exist or not? You're the one that brought this up. If boy and girl brains exist doesn't that mean like boy brains are bad at picking colors and doing pretty art stuff and girls are bad at math? What exactly do you mean by a boy and a girl brain you insipid mother fucker. I believe we're all beautiful creations made in the image of God. You're the one in here shitt9ng on everyone and telling them they were made wrong and better chop their dick off or else they're never gonna feel right.

>>2949518
>Full retard falsely equating factors completely unrelated to gender
>Is also a twat who thinks humans are "made perfect by god"
The fact you don't keep up with reality is just proving my point.

If we're "made perfectly in the image of god" why do we have wisdom teeth or an appendix? Why are there thousands of genetic defects hiding in our genetics that are random chance if your parents happen to both be carriers to show up in one of 5 kids as a debilitating illness?

There can be fundamental differences between a male gendered brain and a female gendered brain without that nonsense being involved. Differences in things like "what body plan it expects to be interacting with" and "differences in social mechanics and emotional interactions."

Note that this study finds that in trans-identified, pre-HRT patients' brain scans that the trans women's brains leaned closer to those of cis women.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/

>>2949525
>Reee my mental illness that tells me I'm in the wrong body isn't a mental illness and totally isn't anything like schizophrenia because my delusions are real and their delusions aren't because I said so!

>>2949526
>durr my religion written by goat herders 6000 years ago tells me modern science bad!

>>2943348 (OP)
But a sink so he can piss in it and shave without locking down the bathroom.

>>2946591
If you want more bedrooms on that footprint, add another floor or add them to the basement. There should also be a shared bathroom for the secondary bedrooms that people don't have to go through a bedroom to get to.

>>2949531
Don't you like bathrooms with two doors so you can forget to lock one.

>>2949525
Okay so boy brains and girl brains ARE different? Wow. Get all these incompetent women brains out of science and technology. Stop trying to be pilots you.suck at it. It's just simple biology. Infact men are even better at being women than you are. Maybe we don't even need them. We'll be transhumanist artificial wombs soon.

And that's a good thing

>>2949547
Man, you really are stuck on this full on bullshit that's nothing at all based on anything I'm saying, aren't you?

>>2949549
I learned to mirror the incoherent rage and childish arguments when people are incapable of being consistent with their arguments. Especially when they pretend to misunderstand me. Why should there be any effort here? You're just a lol cow that destroyed your body to make a demon laugh.

>>2949554
No, you're just a childish little shit who refuses to listen to the facts because you don't like what they say, so you try to intentionally misrepresent the arguments.

>>2949556
You have apparently not lived long enough to remember the 60 years of the experts and feminists drumbeating that there was no difference between a boy brain and a girl brains. And again, completely granting you that there is a dyphoric person that feels like they are innthe wrong body... that have nothing to base that on. Nothing. It's just a dysphoric feeling. They have no idea what it's like to be the other gender. And even if transitioning would be helpful in any way (its not, youre reading biased journal articles) there is NOTHING valuable current medical technology can accomplish. The fake penis and bolt on boobs and neo vagina are all disgusting and never pass. No one believes you not even your own body. Ywnbaw, it's a freak show for the insurance companies to get rich on.

>>2949527
>men can become women it's science because i said so the whole point of different sexes is reproduction but that doesn't count I AM A WOMAN BECAUSE I SAID SO AND HAD SURGERY AND HORMONE INJECTIONS!!!

>>2943348 (OP)
No, your son won’t hate you. He’ll appreciate the small room and understand that life imposes limitations sometimes. He’ll never hate you, anon.

>>2949560
>>2949585
>Two full retards still living in 1950

This thread reminds me of when I was a kid. My family was poor. Friends of my parents just built a new house so we were given the tour. Even as a kid I knew they didn't really have the money for a new house, so everything was done cheap. First off when we got there the house was all surrounded by dirt and mud (they said they would plant the grass seed). We walked on a few paver stones (widely spaced) to stay out of the mud. Then we noticed the doors didn't have any screen doors and of course no porch. Screen doors are basically a requirement given out bad winters. Then we looked at the integral garage. I can't remember if it was one or two car, but I do remember like nothing was finished. They didn't to pay for it. Inside didn't look that bad, but again like everything was spartan and cheap. Basically as a kid I learned that when you build a house everything is optional and you can be cheap with it and they only buy a new house to brag when they could have bought a much nicer older home.

>>2949625
>Basically as a kid I learned that when you build a house everything is optional
Not if you want to pass code inspections.

>>2946608
No basement
>>2946786
Maybe if the budget allows, but then there would be no problems
>>2946787
I am Euro we use wardrobes here.
Maybe (You) can't turn around in it, fat am*rican pig
>>2947940
That's the danger. I too am renting a cuckpod in a city atm :(
>>2949531
Why can't they just walk down the stairs to the main bathroom?
This is the ground floor btw

>>2950020
>Master bedroom gets its own bathroom
>Everyone else has to go downstairs
You euros talk shit about the built quality of American homes, but you also don't want to listen to basic livability we've developed because we've built more home designs a lot faster.

>No basement
Why not? It's a better place to have utilities, storage, and a hangout space, and it provides shelter for emergencies.

>>2950020
Wait, just noticed there's an attached garage, why not extend the second floor over it if you need more room?

>>2950020
>No basement
are you in the swamplands or something

>>2945240
>built in shame based deterrence
Good. Fapping is a sin, anon. Don t do it.

>>2950344
he would need to reinforce the ceiling of the garage.
OP said he's an eurofag. Here in Romania, if you are in a city, you are kinda forced by law to have reinforce concrete below your feet at any floor. This and you are also forced to cast reinforced concrete above the ground floor, even if you only build at ground lvl, bc someday someone might want to build up (in reality it s just to fuck us and force it upon us to buy steel and concrete.
Now if op builds a standalone garage he could get away with wood frame roofing.

>>2943348 (OP)
Not if he has this bitchin' elevated bed with a desk and gaming chair.

>>2950802
Gaming chairs are garbage.

>>2950834
Teenagers don't know any better

>>2950802
I had that exact chair and it gave me severe back pain until I got rid of it

>>2949161
>women

>>2950344
Talking about germany, the Plots to build on here are so small, the guy is probably limited to 8x8m house due the size of the plot. Garages can extended over the "buildarea" directly next to the neighbors plot, but in that case you are not allowed to build anything on top of the Garage.

probably not, but a room that small is going to impede/stunt his mental/psychological growth

>>2949188
Actually in Iran you can get sex change surgery, a trans woman with huge balls went to talk to Khomeini and convinced him that trans was a thing and he wrote a fatwa.

Ironically they still hang you from a crane for being gay so some gay guys who are not even remotely interested in being women end up going through with it as a way to survive.

Funny world innit

>>2949281
LGB - people always existed. Trans is a silly trend, which is already had it's peak and is during off (also literally)

>>2951457
This is a very modern lie fabricated as a divide and conquer tactic against all LGBTQ people.

>>2951458
Hello t, i am G, please gtfo and stop touching kids. This was hard enough before you manifested yourself into existence

Get him a loft bed and put the desk under it, swing the door the other way so you don't see him fapping before he yells at you to knock first.

>>2943348 (OP)
Remove the desk, make it so he feels comfortable in the living room.
His bedroom should only be used for sleeping.

>>2951466
>Being gay is just a lifestyle choice, now stop pushing it on the kids and stop touching them!
Hey, remember when those exact same lies with a slight tweak were being told 20 years ago? Transphobia is just a mask for homophobia, and if they win, they're coming after you next.

>>2951527
Nononononono

>>2951527
And no one was saying that 20 years ago. Maybe 50 and it was on its way out then.

>>2951616
>People are more likely to identify as their true selves when they feel safer doing so

Points at chart: >>2949137

>>2951617
So you're just going to lie like that?

>>2951621
>So you're just going to lie like that?
says the guy whose entire identity is a lie

>>2951717
I'm not trans to begin with, you just assumed that because you don't like that reality disagrees with your hate.

50 years ago was only 6 years after Stonewall. Don't Ask Don't Tell was only repealed 15 years ago. Obergefell V Hodges was 10 years ago. Don't try to pretend homophobia is long in the rear mirror, those were fought hard against by people who've refocused on hurting trans people's rights today.

>>2951717
And trans people's identities are who they really are, what you want to do is force them to live a lie.

>>2951728
They will.never ne a woman. Or man. You are 0% of the way there no matter what you do. There is no progress made to actually changing yourself this way.

You'd unironically make more progress by lying to yourself about it because your brain is more pliable than the reality of your body.

>>2951740
You are an asshole who denies reality because you don't like that medical science doesn't agree with your hatred. Gender can't be changed. Physical sex can be adjusted far more easily to match.

>>2951742
>medical science
you mean people validating your delusions because you are paying them out of pocket

>>2951745
Again, I'm not trans, but you're full of shit. In reality what trans people report about getting medical care is that it's like pulling teeth, often takes switching doctors several times, and everything gets constantly delayed while they have to prove they're "trans enough" at every step.

But that doesn't fit your narrative because you want to push the lie that being trans is a "social contagion" and not a legitimate state of being.

>>2951754
>I can only think in memes
Yeah, I know, you're an idiot who can't grasp complicated subjects and want everything boiled down to simple thought-terminating statements.

>>2951742
Lmk when you have one of those successful physical sex changes where your body actually starts producing the right ratio of hormones and the correct gametes and secondary sex characteristics that don't make you look like a burn victim

>>2951758
Reminder that you can be cis and have those issues as well.

>Nobody actually knows what their 23rd pair is unless they have a medical issue that requires gene testing

>>2951757
>can't grasp complicated subjects
cutting your dick off doesn't make you a woman and your mental delusions are not valid. the delusions of a schizophrenic are also not valid. you weren't born in the wrong body, you're mentally ill. it isn't complicated. it's the most simple fundamental fact of biological life. you are born, you reproduce, you die. if you don't reproduce your genetic material dies with you and you are weeded out through evolution. your entire ideology is trying to tell nature and reality that it is wrong and you are right because you think so. go pay someone to be a science experiment while they reassure you that it is reality which is wrong, not you.

>>2951759
reminder that those are rare outliers and are considered to have medical problems

>>2951760
And you're just repeating memes based on hate.

>>2951761
And you're generalizing about trans people despite most using modern HRT just looking like women.

>>2951762
>they look like women

>>2951766
>morons immerse themselves in early transition/late life transitions that aren't at their best yet on purpose and try to generalize all transwomen as being that particular look
Haters gonna hate.

This is also why you're so aggressive about preventing trans teens from being able to get puberty blockers, since then they get forced to go through a puberty they don't want and then have a much harder transition instead of having the puberty process they want.

>>2951768
Once they get on puberty blockers they're going to die in their 30s from cancer anyway, and they can't change their mind and their iq drops by 20 points. Gg you're all literally retarded.

>>2951762
>repeating memes
please tell me more about nature and evolution being a meme. you scream science when a doctor injects you with hormones and does cosmetic surgery and then plug your ears and yell when observable facts enter the room.

>>2951768
>This is also why you're so aggressive about preventing trans teens from being able to get puberty blockers, since then they get forced to go through a puberty they don't want and then have a much harder transition instead of having the puberty process they want.
>just let us turn kids into science experiments or you're a bigot
you are mentally ill freaks trying to take advantage of children in a for-profit environment

>>2951771
>>2951772
>>2951773
Hateful memes, no facts found.

>>2951774
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5333793/

>>2951775
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5333793/
>In sheep
Man, you're really digging, aren't you? Puberty blockers have been in common use for decades to prevent unwanted effects in cis kids with no negative effects, but the moment they're used to help trans kids do the exact same things you start getting all pissy.

>>2951776
They have not or have well documented problems or they're used very briefly ina. Cis kid with precocious puberty, like in an 8b6ear old until 9 and yes they still had serious side effects.

There is 0 chance to restart puberty. It's not a blocker it's a stopper, you're completely fucked and you're dependent on synthetic hormones for the rest of your now very short life.

>>2951779
So you're just going to keep lying then, huh?

>>2951776
But muh scieeennnccceeee

Animal studies have never been used before?

>>2951784
Sheep typically aren't used in human-relevant studies, and it doesn't match know effects of the class of medicines in humans, which have been in use for precocious puberty since the 80s with no evidence of that study's effects.

And that's the problem you have, is that you don't try to understand what the science is actually doing, you just want it to say what you believe.

>>2951781
Maybe you're in a different timeline. What year is it over there? 3060? Over here right now the doctors are kinda butchers they chop pieces off of you and hope your body heals and it hurts mostly less than before. Hormone therapy is a joke. This incredibly complicated process where there's gradients of hormones across different tissues and turning on and off many times a day in accordance with other activities in your body....

Nonono. One injection of probably just one hormone is fine. Oh.no you have cancer? That's weird.

>>2951787
That is certainly the fantasy world that transphobes believe they're living in.

>>2951789
as opposed to the fantasy world where i can be whatever i say i am because i said so

>>2951793
Except the reality is that it's been proven that trans people's gender identities are just as real as a cis person's. And trying to force them to live as their ASAB causes mental illness, it doesn't fix it. You just don't like that other people are living in a way you don't approve of and demand control over their lives.

>>2951798
>t's been proven that trans people's gender identities are just as real as a cis person's
hahahahahahahahaha holy fuck this is hilarious

>>2951799
Just because you're stuck in a deep hole of an echo chamber and refuse to learn doesn't mean the rest of the world hasn't moved on without you.

>>2951800
Ywnbaw you have no idea what is like to be a women. There is no measurable difference between a gay straight man or women or trans brain. You're insane. It's like look I ng at studies by Pfizer about how great it is to be on peepee hardener pills.

>>2951800
>stuck in a deep hole of an echo chamber
tell me more about where you're at

>>2951804
>Ignoring all the science because it conflicts with your hatreds

>>2951810
I think I'm in a pretty good spot where I'm open to actually listening to the experts and people's actual lived experiences instead of where you are, which is "nothing the entire medical community, all trans people, and actual documented history say matters because I don't like that they exist."

>>2951814
You.know how a woman knows she's a woman? She says she's a woman. If trans surgery worked you wouldn't need to say *I'm trans because you would just be the other thing. But you're some horrible abomination

>>2951816
>You.know how a woman knows she's a woman? She says she's a woman.
So you admit trans women are women.

>>2951817
Bro, zhe don't need a surgery though bro.

>>2951847
Not all trans women get surgery. It's a personal decision, but what does it matter to you if a woman you'll likely never even meet gets some surgery done?

>>2951852
So she's not a woman?

>>2951868
Why are you so obsessed with what's in her pants?

>>2951875
Because then she's not a woman.

>>2951878
You yourself said that a woman is a woman because she knows she is and says she is.

Also, who the fuck is that supposed to be on the right?

>>2951882
Me on the left. He's science guy I dunno. Maybe the guy that broke Tavistock or that pervert that abused those twins with the failed circumcision that started all this.

>>2951893
>that pervert that abused those twins with the failed circumcision that started all this.
Oh, you mean that shit that proved you can't force someone to be a gender they aren't born as, which just supports the fact that trans identities are valid and that people who want gender-affirming care should be able to get it?

>>2951895
Yes the father of trans medicine that made young twin boys masterbate in front of him.

>>2951899
That's not Magnus Hirschfeld. Of course, all of his research was burned by the nazis despite the far better ethics involved, notably that his patients wanted his treatments.

So no, your example was not "the father of trans medicine," just a dickhead.

>>2951901
How weird it keeps happening.

>>2951904
Implying there won't always be assholes like you who just want to hurt people.

>>2951907
Loving people doesn't always mean affirming them. Sometimes you need to tell them they are pursuing a dangerous self harming idealogy.

Goodnight unsleeping AI

>>2951908
Like transphobia.

Again, there is no evidence denying care helps trans people, tons of evidence receiving it does help, and tons of evidence that suppressing their true gender does major harm.

You, on the other hand, will continue to talk yourself in circles, even self-contradicting, to deny this.

>>2951909
Yes dontnsuprress their true gender exactly

>>2951910
Yet that's what you're advocating for.

>>2943348 (OP)
Since the area around the doorway has to be kept clear, you would actually have more usable space for furniture if you move the doorway further into the room even if the room will have less total space:

>>2943348 (OP)
>>2951971

>>2949106
trying to block things doesn't work unless you are amish, he'll get it from his friends

The 'hack' is to give your kid something more appealing than internet. When I had a balcony garden in an area surrounded by nature I was barely on the internet, I had no tv, and I watched no tv or movies. Now that I'm in a small dark place I'm online a lot more often, trying to set up an area for sketching and sewing though -- I need a table without a computer on it.

>>2951990
If the kid's room only have his bed and his computer desk, of course he's going to be on his computer all the time, but arrange the room >>2951976
so that he'll have space for a bookcase, area to read away from bed or computer, maybe an aquarium. A pull out table for sketches, other hobbies. I would suggest OP get the kid a desktop -- put the screen in a cabinet, make it so that when the compute ris not in use, the cabinet doors close on the screen, the keyboards slide underneath out of site Should do the same with TV in living room -- this way instead of having Computer and TV take a constant centre stage -- they are things you use some times and put away most times.

>>2943352
some countries go to the moon, some countries use metric and have 175,000 people die per year because they are too gay and retarded to invent AC

>>2951990
>trying to block things doesn't work unless you are amish, he'll get it from his friends
Agreed, which is why I specified "in his room." Having the internet machine in a more common area helps decrease the odds of him locking himself in a goon cave and going down increasingly depraved rabbit holes unchecked.

>>2952209
Reminder that the US uses Metric for everything important, including calibrating the SAE scale.

>>2952313
we didn't when we went to the moon

>>2952316
https://ukma.org.uk/why-metric/myths/metric-internationally/the-moon-landings/

It was all actually done in metric, with the computers translating the units for the pilot's familiarity.

>>2952321
sounds like Buzz Aldrin and Neal Armstrong used miles, like normal humans

>>2952322
>A small minority of the world uses the system
>Normal

>>2952348
The best country in the world uses the system

>>2952350
In what rating? Because in terms of health, poverty rates, education, housing costs, and so on, we sure as fuck aren't #1.

>>2952351
we've gone to the moon, no one else has. white and asian Americans outscore all yuros on standardize math, science and reading and we have like 17 of the top 20 colleges

>>2952352
That was 56 years ago.

>>2952353
and yuros are still to retarded to even put a man in space

>>2949137
Jews drive the delusion of transgenderism extremely hard.

>>2951458
Fuck off schlomo.

>>2949459
Check the percentage of Jews in the nation, then compare that to the percentage of Jews in positions of influence, or adjacent to those with influence. It's plain as day.

>>2949618
Thankfully, they were sane back then. Without them, I wouldn't be here. Future generations won't be so lucky as the very sane and normal youth is sterilizing themselves because the internet said it was good.

>>2952229
It's 2025, for less than 200 leaf bucks I could get a new dumbphone that still lets me access the internet, the poorest indian child farmer can still watch depraved porn on his 2nd hand smartphone, and he'll do it all day, because his life sucks.

I was a 90s kid and I got addicted to livejournal because I was lonely and there was nothing for me to do, I didn't have my own computer then -- which actually made it worse -- it's like how American kids made a whole coming of age thing around drinking alcohol and drinking too much, while it's no big deal for Canadian kids, especially Quebec, there is no point in getting fake ID when drinking age is 18 or 19 instead of 23 and supervising teacher at Pickle Barrel club dinner don't brink when you sip cocktails.

Once I had my own computer I actually was on it less as i could be on it any time AND I had other stuff to do. It was only after I moved t my new place which is a depressing bachelor and I can't even keep curtain open because of a weird neighbour, that I was on my computer more often, 4chan hours nightly -- but then weather improved and I was out again.

You need to give him stuff to do and mean to do it so that he's not in his room all day. Get him a bus pass when he's a tween.

>>2951909
>Again, there is no evidence denying care helps trans people, tons of evidence receiving it does help
...the problem is appropriate care for appropriate people: a) trans was a rare condition, real trans still exist but it' a social contagion destroying the lives of closet gay men, autistics, and tomgirls --- before any cosmetic surgery -- therapy should be mandatory, especially major ones like removing breasts or dicks. b) quality care held up to standards for people who ARE actually trans -- right now procedures in US are considered experimental, a female who was probably a butch lesbian talked on What Is A Woman about how surgery to make a penis forgot to do permanent hair removal first, so part of the pubis area that was turned inside out to make a penis through which pee comes got repeatedly infected, and that person will die when antibiotics stop working. Even if that person is really trans, which is a body dsymophic disorder that have always existed, like Blaire White or Buck Angel -- the 'trans-affirming-care' surgery they got was literally harmful and would kill them, and they can't sue because it's experimental. The trans industry is a goldrush situation right now, I think even actually trans people actually got better care decades ago, when they doctors they got really care as opposed to well, goldrush.


What I'm saying is that there is it's not a 0 or 1 situation of troon all children who don't fit gender role or heternormative only, which is a bit of a horseshoe... I'm saying we need to mandate therapy to weed out those who are just gay or autistic etc, then if someone is trans (body doesn't fit), it's nt a bad thing to see if they can live with it without any surgery, or less surgery -- Blaire White has said she wouldn't remove her penis because it's too risky -- she found that hat her mental state improved just doing her boobs and face.

>>2953063
So, you're just going to keep repeating lies and propaganda?

>>2953063
You also clearly don't get that seeing a psychiatrist is a core part of the process of a trans person accessing care already. It isn't an "industry" "forcing" anyone into "rushing" into it.

The actual reality is that it's a process that naturally weeds out anybody who isn't genuinely committed to the process because of how many constant roadblock and delays they get to actually getting treatment.

"They should get therapy" is stupid as hell because it's already part of the process.

>>2953063
>What Is A Woman
Also, this is a propaganda film, not a documentary.

>>2953071
>t's a process that naturally weeds out anybody who isn't genuinely committed
...this depends on the country, state, and hospital. In Canada I think psychiatrist actually have to affirm gender delusion, which is ridiculous, I speak as someone with OCD delusion -- the therapist should acknowledge that we feel this way but affirming delusion is no good (and you can accommodate without affirming, but that's not what happening with trans body dysmphic disorders.

If you are the anon who said you aren't trans -- okay, if you woke up tomorrow and your body was the opposite sex, will you have surgery, with all its risks, just so your body would look more like your original sex that you identify with again, or would you just leave it? I'm a woman and I identify as a woman, it would mess with my mind if I woke up as a man, but if the body is healthy I wouldn't risk surgery, same if I woke up a different race. I think with trans, the one who seek surgery, it's not as simple as "body not matching sex", it's abnormal DISTRESS as their body not looking the way they feel they should. So other than weeding out if they are even trans in the first place, therapy other than agreeing with everything they say and giving them all the surgeries, it's to see if they can manage to feel less distress with the less drastic things first.

I do believe in giving trans people 'gender affirmative care' if there is no other less-harmful way to ease their daily distress, I believe in publicly funding that care, it's just care means that you aim for best outcome, and since surgery has side effect, therapy first -- not just to figure out if they are trans, but also, how much surgery they need to ease distress, and they need to be realistic about outcome too -- trans people are at highest risk of suicide AFTER surgery -- because they thought surgery would fix them but it didn't.

>>2953071
>>2953149
I have seen many surgery regret interviews from people who are not just de-transistioners (never trans in the first place), but also actual trans people who regret their surgery because it didn't give them the outcome they want, and their health was worse afterwards, one transwoman commented that she got a man-made vagina so she could enjoy heternormative sex -- but all she feels down there now is either nothing, or pain.

There needs to be a better standard of care not just to avoid accidentally trooning someone who isn't trans, but also that whatever surgery is done is done the safest way possible with known practices and patient is fully informed of the risks. Regardless of what you think about the narrative in What Is A Woman, it exposed the substandard surgical care that trans people are subjected, at present I don't think there is a way for a man-made-penis to look like a real thing, but failing to permanelty inhibit the growth of pubic hair before turning that part inside out -- that's not an unpreventable outcome.

There was actually a very early CSI episode about trans people being harmed by substandard surgery that wasn't dismissive of why trans people sought out the surgery in the first place:
CSI 5x8 Ch-Ch-Changes
https://csi.fandom.com/wiki/Ch-Ch-Changes

Look, I never get the kinda Liberals who are like, Big Pharma is bad, but then they are pro vaccine mandate even after Trump's Warp Speed meant they sped past the usual safety testing and we can't sue. Or, they are like, Big Corporation is bad and establishment owns our media is bad, but they aren't suspicious why there are trans rainbow flag everywhere, trans people exist and they need care, but corporation isn't pushing this b because they care about trans people. Big Pharma like surgery on trans the same way they love organ transplant, not for the people who need care, but now they have a patient for life who need to keep taking drugs to live.

>>2953157
Cont'd -- it's ridiculous than trans surgery being experimental means patient can't sue -- especially since so many are performed now, and many surgeries such as breasts removal or reduction aren't even trans-exclusive in the first place. We had cosmetic surgery for a long time now, breast implants, butt lift, nose job, even chin shaving -- and patients can sue even if the only thing botched was the look. I suspect that as soon as the medical industry is held accountable for botched surgeries on trans patient that the corporate push for trans will drop,

>>2953149
>>2953157
>>2953162
>tl;dr I believe all the propaganda vids that exaggerate detransitioning rates even though at best the estimate of actual detransitioners is under 1%, and the vast majority of those report that social pressures rather than "not being trans" were the reason they detransitioned

>>2953069
no u

>>2953184
Ur mum

>>2953157
>Bases opinions on a blatantly biased transphobic propaganda movie and CSI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_8ZH1Ggjk0