Thread 2946616

Is there ever a good reason to buy a cordless circular saw over a corded one? The batteries die in like 2 hours if you're actually using it

>>2946616 (OP)
No.
It equates to about 10 minutes of runtime when new, and be drain harms the battery lifespan.

>>2946619
it's time to throw out those nicads, grandpa.

>>2946620
Somebodies mad he bought a fancy new cordless skilsaw that dies after 60 cuts when my 20 year old corded makita goes all day LOL

bait thread, do not post
>inb4 97 replies

>>2946622
I was genuinely asking

>>2946616 (OP)
why don't answer your own question? try thinking for yourself. you tell us why.

>>2946616 (OP)
Yes for example when I'm felling trees out in the field

>using electricity to spin a sawblade
pathetic

>>2946616 (OP)
>Is there ever a good reason to buy a circular saw
buy a corded track saw unless you are a mexican framer

When you need to work in locations without power or dealing with long extension chords is impractical.

>>2946639
If youre in a location with no power how is a charger and batteries gonna help you
>>I'll just bring 50 fully charged batteries with me
Aint nobody doing all that shit lil bro

>>2946616 (OP)
>2 hours
It's more like 15 minutes of real runtime, possibly less.
>is there ever a good reason
I bought a cordless track saw. Track saw is used to make high precision cuts, and only ever a couple of them at a time (unless you're in a woodworking shop with no table saw). Not having to fuck with the cord is good, extra weight on the saw from batteries is good because it holds the track that much more in place. Batteries never run out because you just don't use a track saw that much at once.
If you're a /diy/er, a cordless regular circ saw could still be okay to use since again, you're not gonna be depleting the batteries all that much, but it'd be hard to justify the extra cost.

Why choose?

>>2946616 (OP)
I'm a real luddite and i hated battery shit but even i'll admit it's way better for the most part. The only real advantage to corded is you'll get relatively more power for cheaper

>>2946616 (OP)
Not having to work around extension cords is very nice. And if you’re cutting 2x material you can get pretty far into a larger project before you have to pop a second battery in.

Great example is repairing wooden fences and bullshit like that. Bring the boards right up to the fence, measure the broken parts, cut to size, no need for 100ft+ of extension cord running out to the fence. Also working on roofs and ladders, repairing some 2x6 on facia that was rotting out. Any time you’re not set up in a shop on saw horses, and even then working around cords is annoying for lots of cute, like dragging a cord along an 8ft cut while ripping plywood.

>>2946616 (OP)
the mexican framers didn't believe my corded saw could cut 2 sheets of plywood at the same time. battery saws fucking suck. they're handy and okay for small stuff, but they have shit power and shit battery life.

>>2946694
if you're running a circular saw on a fucking ladder you deserve your darwin award.

>>2946728
>doesnt know why theres a rafter hook on a wormdrive
aye matey somedaies yee gots ta git oop en da riggin

>>2946727
The best battery saws beat corded now, same as with most tools: high end brushless motors with a battery capable of dumping over 2000 watts are capable of beating decades old brushed designs hooked to a wall outlet that only manages 1800. Conversely, of course, a cheap thing with a tiny motor and a battery that doesn't break 1000w (like everyone's cheap 5ah kit batteries) will be smoked by a corded saw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5_x_h4EG-w&t=166s

What they really need to do is make more brushless corded tools, and maybe build a little power station like box that goes in between the wall and the tool to buffer the limits of 120v power.

If you're moving around a lot a cordless saw that's only half as good as a corded saw will still save you time over not having to fuck with the stupid cord. If you're going to be in one spot for hours though there's not much of an advantage to cordless unless maybe you think the cord gets in the way while ripping sheets or whatever.

>>2946749
yeah, for roofing, not for fucking fascia you retard you don't do roofing off a ladder

>>2946764
>best battery saws beat corded now
laughs in cuprex
https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-mt55cc-plunge-track-saw

>>2946616 (OP)
Cable snagging on shit during cut, needing to carry a cable to cut stuff outdoors. If you cut for 2 hours non stop every day you might want to consider another type of saw. Or you get 2 batteries and swap when empty

>>2946764
> maybe build a little power station like box that goes in between the wall and the tool to buffer the limits of 120v power.
You are literally describing a battery here

>>2946785
Power isn't even the most important thing about a circular saw and Mafell is king at pretty much everything else, but it's what we're obviously talking about and the Flexvolt rear handle is well tested by multiple reviewers as the most powerful one on the market, although I don't think it's been compared to the Skilsaw and Makita 10-1/4 cordless brushless options. The batteries on the Skils suck I've heard but I wouldn't be shocked if the mega Makitas beat it.

>>2946799
It would necessarily involve a battery, yes, but I'm thinking something like a hybrid of >>2946676 and how the Dewalt x ESAB welder works – the welder can work fully cordlessly (or fully corded), but with the batteries loaded in, they can provide surge current beyond the capacity of a wall outlet for extra power and to prevent tripping breakers. The point would be going beyond the runtime limitations of batteries *and* the current limitations of wall outlets.

>>2946821
https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-mt55-18m-bl-cordless-plunge-track-saw
how does it stack up to this?

>>2946821
i'm going to stop shitposting now and i am sure the dewalt does a lot of cool stuff and is a good product. i'm a finish carpenter who takes over part of the jobsite to be my shop. i don't care if a tool is corded or cordless other than multitool, drill and driver. why? because I use dust collection so I already have a vacuum hose on whatever tool I am using so a cord doesn't fucking matter in fact a cord is better because turning the tool on turns on the dust collection. even my jigsaw has dust collection :)
https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-p1cc-jigsaw

>>2946616 (OP)
yes.
yes.
yes.
yes.
the cord is never long enough, this will be a problem for every single cut you make.
the battery will be recharged by the time you need it, this will be the the case for every week plebs actually use their saw. at worst a battery before lunch, one after. worth it a million times over the cord.

>>2946825
I think there's a lot of good reasons for corded tools and agree with you about dust collection. I'm not carrying water for the Dewalt, I was just using it as the prime example to argue with a guy whining the same 10 year old stuff about cordless tools not having enough/as much power that's just not the case anymore.

>>2946831
cordless tools have impressed me and changed my mind on a few things, but for my setup corded is what I prefer. also, im not an average user on this board. i'm a really specialized finish carpenter whose job's material orders are miles worth of lineal feet of wood. i do enough work that getting the right tool for every part of my job is totally worth it no matter the cost. for example, I have a battery powered milwaukee 15ga nailer for installing door frames but I also have a rigid 15ga pneumatic for doing tongue and groove ceilings because the milwaukee is retardedly heavy. so when I say there is a reason to buy corded over cordless, there are. and a well built cordless saw can definitely outperform a crappy corded saw. you have to figure out what your use case is. if you are a homeowner who wants to occasionally fix his fence and maybe change out a door once every few years, cordless makes sense because you buy into a tool environment and then if you need something new you can buy the bare tool and use your existing batteries and you don't have to have 500 feet of 10-12ga extension cord lying around like I do. you don't need 300 feet of compressor hose. you have 7 tools and 4 batteries and its enough for you to get through all of your projects without having to wait to charge and it all fits in a 30 gallon tote in your garage.

>>2946616 (OP)
If you're doing work on a roof.
The whole point of cordless tools is the convenience of not needing an outlet or having chords in the way. The corded version will always do a more consistent job.
The debate is pointless.

>>2946676
This is what i have. One battery will last all day framing.

I know this is a bait thread but the reason for getting a cordless saw is that modern jobsites have evolved past corded saws. People get annoyed by having a million cords all over a jobsite and you can't be as efficient.

I only have corded tools for finish work when I know i'll basically be in one spot and I also don't do enough finish work to justify spending all the money on cordless tools. Framing and concrete mostly.

>>2946846
I want a metabo circ saw so bad but all my tools and all my batteries are milwaukee. Cant justify it

>>2946849
It's really good, especially for the price. Much lighter than any of the competition. All the guys I work with have the makita 36v saws but they are way heavier than the metabo hpt.

>>2946846
Torque test channel tested the dual battery makita skilsaw… the only one that had similar power to his fathers old corded and found it has a 10 minute runtime (brand new).

>>2946886
weekb8
they dont even have a test vidja for the rear handle framing saws that real men use. only the suburban housewife sidewinder shit

>>2946849
I don't do enough with wood to justify the saw (actually stepped into whole other system for Metabo-Metabo's metal cutting circular/track saw that works great for wood cuts too with the right blade) but it's a great "second system" for heavier duty tools you might have use for corded or cordless.

I think of my main system as Dewalt, but consolidating deep cut bandsaw, main workhorse grinder, full size recip, SDS Max, small hand carry air compressor into HPT means I have to invest in and store five tools instead of ten. And they're all best in class or just behind.

I'm a plumber and run a m18 fuel circ saw, it's blatantly terrible compared to a corded skillsaw
it clearly doesn't struggles to power through the cut
it finishes. maybe if i used a bigger battery it wouldn't be so shit but a 6v(5?) should be plenty
i just cut backers for valves and shit and it's convenient and will do everything i need in a day on one battery
all my other milwaukee tools are amazing, 0 complaint
their warrnty years and fullfillment is amazing
but yeah the skillsaw is obviously not tolerable if you were to primarily be cutting wood as your job
it being beyond tertiary, it's plenty tolerable
also i didn't buy, they sent it me by accident when i was doing a warranty on a drill
i was using a 30$ corded makita before that, definitely better; but convenience is king

>>2947068
>it clearly doesn't struggles to power through the cut
*clearly DOES struggle on 2x4

>>2947068
im ass u meing its not the faux wormdrive business mine fucking eats. i can jam it into a full depth cut on a 4x4 before the blade even reaches speed and itll pull up and chomp. im just a hobbyist so the 6ho lasts all day on stupid shit projects

>>2947075
ah another factor, that's much bigger than mine

>>2946616 (OP)
>The batteries die in like 2 hours if you're actually using it
Is that a problem? The batteries charge in considerably less time than that so you just keep 1 battery on the charger and swap them when necessary.

>>2946665
>It's more like 15 minutes of real runtime, possibly less.
Total continuous runtime is kind of irrelevant since you don't just run a circular saw constantly. Nearly all practical uses of a circular saw is sporadic/periodic cutting. That 15 minutes of total cutting time will likely be spread out over 45 minutes, an hour, or maybe 2 hours.

>>2946616 (OP)
One thing I think people don't consider is power supply. A lot of residential installs aren't set up to run a powerful saw and a shop vac/dust extractor at the same time without popping a breaker. My house had every outlet in the garage on a single circuit with a 15A breaker that tripped the instant I tried to run my table saw on it and that was just by itself. My panel is fortunately in a very convenient location (close to both my workbench and the garage door) so I was able to easily add a new outlet with its own 20A breaker specifically for running high-draw tools but most people won't be that lucky. The situation would obviously just be worse for a pro crew doing renovations or something, then you'd have multiple people trying to run tools at once on a circuit that can't handle them. Cordless sidesteps that whole issue and you can charge a ton of batteries at once on those same circuits, along with saving them for the few tools that really don't make sense cordless like dust collection etc.

>>2947137
> keep 1 battery on the charger
What charger? Guy above said nobody has AC mains any more, and if you bring an electrical cord “efficiency” goes to zero.

>>2947146
>The situation would obviously just be worse for a pro crew doing renovations or something
nope, plug in to the GFI of a bathroom, it's a 20 amp circuit. Same with laundry room. need multiple circuits? find different GFIs.

t. been there, done that

>>2947150
have more batteries
i have 5x5ah m18s that last me days generally

>>2947137
>Total continuous runtime is kind of irrelevant since you don't just run a circular saw constantly
Yes, but at the same time, saying "batteries die in 2 hours" is misleading at face value. Someone that doesn't know cordless tools is gonna be surprised when batteries die in 20-25 minutes during heavy use or 10 minutes during constant use. Especially evident with angle grinders.

One a pistol and ones a rifle
A real man brings both to war if he wants to win
Have fun debating some retarded shit you faggots

>>2946665
>but it'd be hard to justify the extra cost.
There isn't really an extra cost if you're already on the battery platform, though. A cordless saw on its own costs about the same as an equivalent quality corded one. That's even more of a thing if you can wait for sales and get one for free with another tool you need or with a battery or whatever.

>>2946846
most framing will be what? cutting top plates which might be dozen cuts after a day of framing a 2brd apts unit.

I got an 18v Milwaukee with big batt and its much more handy than big Skill Saw and weak enough to not kickback so can be used for more squirrely cuts.

Some billionaire we was working for had a hobby shop with 40 extra batts and 20 chargers and plumber was like "ain't that a bit much?" and I'm like naw, seems about right. Small duffle's worth and you could figure on a weekend off site.

>>2947897
probably did it to mog cord fags

>>2946785
>120V/13.5A
That's 2/3 the power of the DeWalt, anon.

>>2947897
>most framing will be what? cutting top plates which might be dozen cuts after a day of framing a 2brd apts unit.
Studs for kneewalls, joists, jacks, headers, crips, blocking, sheathing, decking, rafters, stringers, beams, etc. Where the fuck do you frame?

>>2946619
Have you ever even used a modern cordless circular saw? I feel like the answer is a definite, no.

these threads are stupid, don't most people just own one of each?

Like >>2951887 said
I own both corded and cordless saws.
Cordless is great when I need to do just a few cuts wherever the fuck without an extension cord. If I'm doing a lot of work then I'll use the corded saw.

>>2951902
that's what handsaws are for

>>2947739
a real man has already knocked you out with a punch while you're juggling your funkopops kit around

>>2946846
my carpenters use exclusively cordless tools, they have mini generators but only use them to run the chargers

>>2946631
the ugga duggas make the world turn

>>2952888
It ain't the 1940s gramps

>>2949511
probably somewhere where all the walls come prebuilt on the back of a flatbed.

>>2953121
that's right in my days you'd be drafted into the war forced to toughen up fucking nancies and their hair dryer type tools you gonna blow up that pampadour nancy boy?

>>2946630
Why would you ever use a circular saw instead of a chainsaw for felling trees? Seems like a kickback injury waiting to happen.