Thread 2947289

electric heating is superior, let me list it up

>oil and gas need their own burner units
>waste of space and materials
>they make noise and smoke
>need a water system to function
>leak? no more heat + water damage haha

meanwhile, electric heaters just work, plug and play
even better, they can run on nuclear power

>>2947289 (OP)
My gas furnace does not require water. Is this a European thing? Either way, I'm going with a heat pump when I replace it. I need the AC anyway for the summer and not having to deal with our local gas company anymore is a win/win.

>>2947289 (OP)
>electric heating is superior
Why, yes, /diy/ is a heat pump neighborhood.

its expensive dude
depends on your climate
if you're where its cold as fuck like me, natural gas is king
cheap gas is found in earth so burn it and forced air also provides ventilation
cogeneration plants are good too but why turn gas into heat into electric then back to heat
just burn gas

>>2947289 (OP)
e heat is fucking soulless
t. sweats all winter

>>2947289 (OP)
Heat pumps are superior to electric. The best electric heat can do it a 100% conversion of energy to heat. However heat pumps use a small amount of energy to move a large amount of heat from outside to inside so they are far more energy efficient for heating. Electric heat is only preferable if the outside temp is so low that a heat pump won't work. But that's why most heat pump systems will also have an electric emergency heat mode.

>>2947289 (OP)
Multiple choices are superior. Your lack of knowledge indicates you're fucking stupid.

My heat pumps work fine but I would never be one-deep on any important tech because that's also stupid. Heat pumps like electric resistance heaters don't work during power outages so I use propane for my stove (nice to cook with too) and positioned that at one end of my house with a gas heater in the old fireplace at the other. Should SHTF happen I can pull the heater and burn wood from my woods.

Should my gas plumbing be damaged in a disaster I can easily repair and/or bypass that using welding fuel gas regulators (CGA-510 fits nearly all US tanks including BBQ cylinders whose valves are tapped for it) to set pressure by flame height or expedient water manometer (flame works fine) and other parts from my welding shop parts stash.

Should I lose the house my shipping container shops are comfy, welded to their steel foundation and easy to heat using portable gas heaters. If storm manages to smash those typhoon-rated structures after going through the surrounding woodlands so be it, but my ordinary hose survived Hurricane Hugo without issue.

>>2947347
Yeah and single use only, at least with wood it warms you up 3 or 4 times by the time you've burned it.

>>2947387
At some point you just get solar and watch the gridlets suffer during disasters while you get to cosymaxx

>>2947425
What are you going to do in -40 at night?

>>2947427
Well, for starters, not live someplace in the 9th circle of hell. Also, have a battery system so I have power when the grid is down and the sun ain't shining.

>>2947451

are you imblying someone who lives in climates where it gets to below 0 rely on battery banks for heat during outages?

yikes.
you live south of the mason-dixon line

yknow what transformed humankind?
Capturing fire.
Electricity is neat. Flame is synonymous with life

>>2947289 (OP)
Then a snowstorm takes your power out for a week.

>>2947294
Idk bout bumfuk nowhere that you live in, but around here most furnaces heat water which is then pumped through pipes with radiator fins all around the house

>>2947289 (OP)
>electric heating is superior
sure if you don't care that it costs 5x more to heat an area, electric heat is golden

>>2947888
I think it's an age thing, my 1914 house and the one my mom grew up used hot water, the former with pipes no radiator, the latter with a radiator (fins). I know they are common in europe and cities with older but not ancient buildings using steam (IIRC) but they can get really hot locally and not distribute much without the addition of a fan.

Having owned several systems, geothermal is the FUCKING JET literally the polar opposite of OPs all the money some of the heat. god I miss my geothermal house.

>>2947289 (OP)
>electric heating is superior
Imagine burning coal to get the 30% electricity which is turned into heat vs just burning coal to get 100% heat
Goyim does not need know

>>2947924

Burn the coal, pay the toll.


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Wait wut

>>2947924
かっこいいお話、お兄さん, but what if I make 20% of the sun into electricity which is turned into 400% heat?

>>2947289 (OP)
you can buy bitcoin miners for 200 dollars that serve as heaters just as well, but produce bitcoin.
or get a few AMD PC's and mine monero.

space heaters are bitcoin miners with 0 hashrate.

>>2947493
it freezes in many parts of the south, you yankee faggot

Heatpump master race, panasonic 9 kW monoblock. Air to water, full house has floor heating and cooling.

>>2947952
If you are getting a 4.0 COP, then you aren't really in an area that even needs heat.

>>2948108
The only people making any money mining bitcoin are the ones who basically run a datacenter these days.

>>2947387
Whoa I just realized you could use inches of water to set a pressure regulator and that wpuld actually probably work really good

>>2948143
If you're using the waste heat from computing as heat for your home then the computing's essentially free

>>2948260
Bullshit. The efficiency ain't that high.

>>2948263
Yes it is. 600W of power in is more or less 600W of heat out. You're just actually doing something productive to generate that heat rather than just generating heat. Anything you get out of the mining is free given you only run what you need to heat the place

>>2948264
more or less was a bad phrase to use, can't get more than 600W out of 600W but you get the point

/diy/ apparently means "argue about basic appliances"

>>2948264
>600W of power in is more or less 600W of heat out
lol no the fuck it is not

>>2948269
lol yes it is

>>2948270
you're retarded for arguing about this, and I'm a fool for engaging with you. enjoy your autism

>>2948273
You can call me all the names you like but it doesn't make you any less wrong

>>2948269
600w is exactly 600w of heat out. Maybe a couple microwatts tonheating the cable TV leaving your house. You run your 600w computer and all the heat is staying inside your house. Where else could it possibly go

>>2948269
>lol no the fuck it is not
Where do you think the power is going, into the ether? Buttcoin network is eating it through the web?

>>2947289 (OP)
Gas and oil are way cheaper than resistive electric heating per watt of output, and even against heat pumps they have advantages in really cold weather. The price comparison does favor electric in milder weather though.
Expansion of the electric network with cleaner energy sources would change this equation somewhat, but there's going to be at least some need for fossil-fuel-based heating for the foreseeable future in areas that are hard to run sufficient electric infrastructure to.
That being said, price is a bit of a made-up abstraction and is heavily motivated by politics, so it is possible that the true qualitative/quantitative costs of fossil fuels are much higher than we currently model them, in which case something's gonna snap soon.

>>2947381
>best type of heater is one which doesn't work at all when it's cold
interesting.
Of course ground source heat pump isn't affected by air temperature but they cant be installed by flybynight cowboy contractors quickly or easily so don't seem to be as popular

>>2948382
While I'm all for owning your own excavator and do own an excavator, it's still a tremendous waste of money to get a g2w heat pump. Might as well just get a gas boiler and subsidize your bills with the money you saved.

>>2948343
You're forgetting the RGB LEDs producing light that can escape through the windows.

>>2948430
Good point. There's also the photons heating your eyeballs from the monitor

>>2948108

We laugh at you retards when two inches of snow and 20 degrees for two days pushes your shit in

i know it's the internet, but "it gets cold in the south" is a retarded thing to say