im not getting better

well, try lifting it, dont just stand there

>>76266680 (OP)
Its a shit lift. Inefficiently works out the tiniest muscles. If you want delt gains youre better off doing frontal raises and lateral raises.

>>76266686
literally and figuratively correct

>>76266686
what about arnold press? was he trolling his opponent with that too?

>>76266706
Everything arnold has ever given as advice was misinformation except that the last reps are the most productive.

>>76266715
what if i do OHP after lat raises?

>>76266717
Or do incline at 45° and you'll hit front delts and a good amount of upper pecs. lat raises should be done after compounds.

>>76266686
But what if its the lift i have most fun with?

>>76266755
Its ok to have fun inefficient lifts. I like doing muscle ups but anyone would tell you dips and pull ups are better for training. Which is also why I do sets of dips and pull ups.

Just remember to supplement bad lifts that are fun with good lifts thay actually train muscles

>>76266680 (OP)
Clean and jerks somehow improved my strict OHP press by like 25%

brehs is bw ohp good without ever touching weights?
>t. cailsthenicsfag, ring hspu

>>76266772
so just lifting your hands in the air?

The most jacked guy at my gym who deadlifts 6 plates for reps, and had boulder shoulders…. He only OHP’s 40kg (0.5 plate)

I was shocked to see how much stronger I am at OHP than he is considering how much bigger his shoulders are overall strength is compared to me

There’s also another jacked guy at my gym who never does OHP, he built his big delts off incline presses and pulls like pull-ups and rows

Both of them do lateral raises though

I can OHP 1 plate for 10 and I think it’s overrated

>>76266784
no
there's pretty much a 1:1 carryover between ohp and strict hspu on rings or parralletes
hence I'm asking if an ohp of bw in plates is good without ever touching weights

>>76266686
HAHAHAHAHA

Good one

>>76266680 (OP)
>wanna workout today
>no schedule no routine
>scroll /fit/
>see OHP image
Okay, doing OHP today. Thanks /fit/

>>76266785
but how? it's not like there's some mysterious muscle that can only be worked by OHP

>>76266803
ask you circus instructor at clown college
this is a lifting board not a playing with rings and hanging out at jungle gym board

>>76266847
crazy powerfatty cope

>>76266822
I don’t know. The guy is shredded so maybe his pressing strength is crap because he’s so lean, but is pulling strength is still huge

>>76266872
or maybe he's just not putting up all he can put up on the OHP.

>>76266785
your lying and full of shit. 6 plates for reps and being unable to rep 1 plate ohp is unheard of.

You can say what you want about OHP but it's not inefficient. I had ZERO (0) front delt development before I started doing it. No amount of front raises will do what OHP does. Plus it's really fun.

>>76266680 (OP)
barbell ohp isn't great for building delts. single arm ohp is, and it's actually better for increasing your barbell ohp. do both.

>>76266680 (OP)
Do behind the neck

>>76266706
why are you taking advice from roiders? at that point just take roids

>blows up your shoulders
Warning. Do not do these if you dont want stretch marks. These will cause stretch marks from rapid muscle size growth

>>76266680 (OP)
Just keep doing it and keep eating. Consistency is key.

>>76266680 (OP)
Love me OHP

>>76266686
dyels will unironically believe this, continue to do 20 reps on side laterals with 15 lbs and wonder why nothing happens

>>76266680 (OP)
I am.

try seated (or slight incline) OHP in the smith machine, do core work, and work on form.
i stalled at 130lbs on ohp for a long ass time and had to do a bunch more isolations to make any progress on the compound

>>76266803
Go try an actual OHP instead of speculating. You won't be able to do 1 plate.

>>76268438
No one who does single arm ohp thinks anything else is better. But few do.

>>76266680 (OP)
Don't do this lift. It grinds your shoulders into dust.

>>76268449
Congrats on the worst take in a pretty bad overall thread

>>76268448
true, single arm is based because its a natural movement of lifting something above you
strict barbell ohp is retarded because you're fixing all your joints so you can hold and lift the barbell, can work for some, will likely fuck shit up for many

>>76266905
he does sets of 1000

>>76268458
>strict barbell ohp is retarded
You have to do that to mog though. Single arm for training, barbell for combat.

>>76266680 (OP)
Mp shove your elbows in and curl in to isolate delts like a genie, you can just do some lighter sets more often now and get 0 tendon wear. You can go heavier incline bench and even focus delts on that or flat, mid delts i like btb and db shoulder press, machines dont fit me well for wide grip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGhA59z0dqo

>>76266680 (OP)
You gotta do push press to overload and break that plateau bro

>>76266785
How many reps did he do with 40kg

>>76266706
arnold press is pointless

>>76266785
Saw a guy doing 3 plates on bench but only 115 on ohp for reps, it does seem like it's an exercise where only those who've trained it can do well on it.

>>76266686
>Its a shit lift. Inefficiently works out the tiniest muscles
i know this is bait and all, but i was actually surprised, earlier today i learnt that the delts are actually the biggest muscle in the upper body! i thought id be the traps or something

>>76266680 (OP)
Press more. Of the four main barbell lifts, overhead press is the most dependent on technique. Submaximal weight for more reps three days out of seven (50 percent 1RM for 3x8 or something like that), one the day after you go heavy. Also, overhead press is predominately a core exercise when the weight on the bar gets heavy. You'll feel it in your quads.

>>76266706
https://fandomwire.com/arnold-is-a-snake-arnold-schwarzenegger-snitching-on-his-friend-tom-platz-during-mr-olympia-contest-outrages-fans/
>also his name means black ploughman

>>76269355
Definitely lats then traps

>>76269389
I thought you said push press but as a compound movement theres a lot of room to use your whole body in any upoer body lift but imo to increase it you wanna hit weird angles and do power on the military press since you can use the back rest or not for more core work.

>>76269389
>quads
wat

>>76266682
kek

>>76266686
true dat

>>76266706
everybody shits on mentzer for being a roid monkey but muh arnold is muh god even if he got vaccinated too

>>76266755
waht for? lat delts look awesome, if you turn upwards the DBs you can isolate/emphasize the frontal part and OHP literally do not do much

>>76266784
topkek and winner prize for the best interpretation

>>76266847
>hurdur you can only do sg waht a pajeet on an indonesian basketweaving forum approves

>>76266785
OHP is in fact overrated (sadly, I loved it back then)

>>76266680 (OP)
Probably a lot of tris like skullcrushers, get a tri bar or deep ezcurl.

>>76266680 (OP)
In my experience it responds well to the texas method + dirty bulk. Heavy all-out set on monday with 3 sets of heavy tricep extensions/pushdowns for assistance work, heavy 5x5 on wednesday, easy-ish weighted dips on friday. If you do more than 5 reps on monday, increase the weight next week. Increase wednesday weight as you see fit. Take every 4th week off. Once you notice the progress slowing down, switch to triples for the monday set.
This took my OHP max from 75kg to 90kg. Low weight high rep doesn't work for me, only going heavy does. If you're afraid of gaining fat do something else.

>>76268341
You're supposed to go heavy. When you can lift 40lbs on each hand you'll get massive cannonball delts

>>76266680 (OP)
Aren't big stiffy images red for trained muscles? Does blue mean you actually lose muscle? Would make sense considering this is OHP...

>>76268446
There's absolutely no way a grown man who can hspu can't ohp 1pl8. Even a lean short man will weigh at least 1pl8 and hspu is harder in terms of stabilization than ohp.