/fraud/
100% natty trad life edition
No one here roids or lifts, just some pushups before bed fyi

>love equipoise
>simple as

read leddit r/steroids wiki before you tell us about your 250mg test and sarm cycle and how you are a hyper-responder

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>>76265376

Finishing my 1st 8 week anavar test cycle. How long must I wait before starting a 2nd anavar cycle?

Thinking about running trt 200mg long term but don't want to have to take an AI b/c high e2? Will I be good or should I take a lower dose?

>>76308097
time on = time off is the general rule but technically as soon as your bloods return to normal

>>76308112
If you are fat 200mg might require AI but otherwise it's not likely
Highly individual and based on genetics, body composition etc.
Easiest way is try it and see, reduce test+pop some AI if you get symptoms then hold there and reassess until you get to a point where no symptoms are present with no AI usage
A blood test can be used in addition to that but whether or not you have symptoms should be the first thing that is evaluated

Trying a new source, surely I won't get scammed!

Is eroids the best site for finding g*ear? The prices are high and many of the sellers in my country are out of stock of almost everything.

Redpill me on HCG? Is it necessary if on trt or just for a blast? If I don't care about having kids can I avoid it?

>>76308475
also check meso
chink raws shortage hurt many shops, most are out of primo and people are hopping from primo to mast now so thats out too sometimes

Just got bloods, 50mg twice a week and still over 1500 test in my blood. Why? I dose Sundays and Wednesdays. I pulled bloods on Wednesday before dosing. Could it be hcg making my test so high still? For two years I’ve been trying to get me test lower than 1000. I’ve been lowering my trt dose every time and still testing over 1500.

>>76308774
hcg does increase it a little yes, why would you take it lower than 1500? seems good enough

>>76308481
hcg just for fertility on blast. some say helps pct. also helps your nuts from shrinking on long term b&c, but nobody gives a fuck about the size of your nuts, so don't bother

>>76308354
Holy shit you pay a lot. I pay $10 per 10ml vial of 250mg test, hcg 5000 I pay $9. And that’s pharma grade hcg. Yn0x2

>>76308112
If you need an AI on 200mg a week you're either fat or a genetic dead end.

>>76308950
i take ai every 3 days on 125mg

>>76308951
How much of what and what are your e2 levels?

>>76308481
meme, just for trtfags scare of getting tiny balls. It raises your e2, ai won't lower it because it's a weird type of estrogen.

anyone know if bimbo is getting paid to bang women now?

>>76308965
>replies entirely with memes and memespeak
you dont even roid

>>76308609
>>76308475
I pay $60 + shipping for 2g of test C am I being robbed?

>>76309007
>don't use memespeak in 4chan
now you're being retarded.

Finishing up my first pussy cycle of 350 test + 40 anavar. I look and feel great. So mad I wasted over a decade lifting natty.

>>76309506
That high you're riding? I hope it’s worth it. I did a nearly identical cycle and ended up with cystic acne so deep it felt like my skin was rotting from the inside. Blood, pus, pain, scarring — my face became a battlefield, and it lost. Now every glance in the mirror is a reminder of what I traded for temporary size: a lifetime of disfigurement. You think you’re building a god — but you might just be birthing a monster under your own skin

>>76308938
Well QSC isn't around anymore no clue where to find those prices at now

>>76309155
The average and most common I've seen is 30 EUR for 10 ml, 200mg/ml

>>76309946
Bro...
I was the monster.
Cycle was 750 test / 400 tren / 50 dbol. Skin turned into a war crime. Every pore was like a tiny volcano screaming for mercy. I’d wake up stuck to my pillowcase from blood and pus. Had to chisel it off with a spatula like a forensic team at a crime scene.
Dermatologist said it was the worst case they’d seen outside of chemical burn victims.
Mom started crying at dinner.
Dad just shook his head and walked out.
Now I sit in the dark, 212 lean, veiny, and alone.
My Tinder bio just says:
“Swipe right if you’re into textures.”
Worth it.

Changing my blast to
1200 test 600 eq 200 deca 50mg var (took last 50mg tbol today) 50mg proviron 5mg cialis 2g carnitine (split AM pm) 6iu hgh (split AM pm) 500iu hcg (2x week) and various otc support supps
For the next 8 weeks or so, hopefully e2 control will be better and not crashed to shit making me want to kill myself 24/7
Dropped mast and tbol, upped test eq and deca, switching to var tomorrow, e2 was 0 on 800 test/400 eq/400 mast/150 deca
No real sides at all outside of e2 shit and the expected lipids being in the trash
Except now I'm one huge walking pus filled boil of cystic acne, but that happens even on trt for everyone, they just lie about it
haha
Thanks for reading my blog, niggers

>>76308975
Is anyone still around from the heyday of /fraud/ to be able to tell you?

>>76310577
So you just switched from one oral to another? Aren't you supposed to to stop taking orals for a while to let the body chill haha
I usually do 2 months on 2 months off but I ain't taking near those dosages

>>76308951
That's really embarrasing
At least take 1 ml of mast/primo/eq

>>76310729
My bloods for liver on tbol were normal range, lipids were clearly hit by it
Been taking NAC, TUDCA and fish oils
But yeah usual advice is to do 8 weeks either at the beginning or end of a cycle
Will cruise and chill after so everything should be back to normal before the end of the year

>>76310577
Even without the mast you’re going to have crashed e2 if you keep the test:e2 ratio the same. Also, unless you’re front loading your doses you won’t even know if you got it right for about 8 weeks anyway. But do what you want. Personally, I’d keep everything the same and add test p until my e2 was in range or I at least felt better. I was running almost the exact cycle you’ve been except with npp instead of deca and I think I ended up at like 1200 test, 400 eq, 420 mast e and 350 npp with 7 iu gh, 1mg tb500 and 1mg bpc. Dropped npp at week 16 and ran 50 mg var for the last 6 weeks. Pretty good results but it was too fucking complicated with that many compounds. Next time I’m going back to test, dhb or primo and maybe some npp for the last eight weeks.

>>76310952
Just cycle for 6 months then you can do start and end leave the middle off :^)

>>76308001 (OP)
Can anyone help with broken libido and erectile dysfunction?
I am running now 6th week of 550mg test e + 20mg anavar daily (30-40 on training days sublingually)
I upped the dose around 3 weeks ago from 400 to 550 because why not but for last week libido crushed, dick does not work.
I have ATD as AI and i took a pill 3 days ago and 2 days ago and had e3 and prolactine tested today and it is in range.
Does AI need some time to kickoff or maybe there are some other reasons for ED?
Test is valid, blood concentration >3500ng
If i take the ATD every 3 days and still run 550 should ED disappear or what should i do?

It is ridiculous how many people are on gear or have been on gear that have no purpose for it. I am big enough I can't deny gear usage anymore, and people just tell me all about their ridiculous cycles. One of my landscapers told me he used to run 2 grams of tren and his best bench was 335, and now he is on TRT and looks like shit. Teenagers that barely can move the third pin on the tricep pushdown are telling me they just got deca. I don't get why these retards risk their health to still be a loser.

Dumb question: how important is timing on the hgh shot? I never remember to take it at night so I jab in the afternoon when I remember. But the autist in me screeches that I'm not optimizing.

I'm just low dosing 3iu hgh while I "rehab" an old injury (I'm old and and my shoulder is fucking falling off). TB alone is no longer cutting the mustard.

>>76311540
>Took an estrogen test
>got results next day
Why do you guys make up stories?

But as someone who has fucked up my libido multiple times on cycle, if you have no libido amd your dick works it's low e2. If you have no libido and you can't get hard it's high e2.

>>76311895
some say split dose am/pm. some say do exactly every x hours. some say fuck it we ball, and pin about every 24 hours. all have gains

OP carnivore diet helped me inmensely. Low carb, high fat. Something in fat metabolism makes you horny as fuck and having rock hard erections. My dick feels bigger.

>>76311183
>test:e2 ratio
I was at 1:1 with 75mg proviron when e2 was crashed, now a 2:1 with 50mg proviron so yeah it changed the ratio
>you won’t even know if you got it right for about 8 weeks
Agreed, didn't mention it but I'll frontload the EQ
Also when e2 was crashed i popped dbol and extra test pretty quickly after figuring out that's what it was
>too fucking complicated
I think in the future I will run test, eq, deca as the main compounds, mast is probably extraneous for me during this type of blast (strength and overall training volume focused)
Sorta modeled it after the Brandon Lilly strength cycle, which I like

>>76312496
how strong are you and whats your routine?

>>76309987
SSA dude, 50$ for a bottle of mast prop is jew tier, I wouldn't pay that much if it was suspended in cunny juice

It's so over im certified low test. Doctors of course won't do shit because its still "in range". What dosage should I start self treating 150 or 200mg?

>>76313248
start at 100, get blood work, go up or down based on said blood work

>>76311904
>Took an estrogen test
>got results next day
>Why do you guys make up stories?
not him but what? I got blood results the same day if I go at morning.

>>76312776
Not competitive powerlifting strong so cycle is probably overkill if that's what you were about to say
I do train 20-30 hrs a week at the peak volume with 3x a week(~90min per) being lifting that is strength focused so maybe 25% of total is the weight room
Sometimes I'll add a 4th lifting day if I want to focus on a particular weakness and I'm not nursing an injury etc

>>76313486
Sensitive e2 tests typically take several days if not weeks
So they are either larping or getting the wrong kind of test

>>76313445
How long should I pin for before my first test just 1 week?

im 4 years on test enan low dose,monday and friday 125mg,so 250mg week
what you guys think about adding BOLDENON 500mg / week for 2-3 months?

>>76314260
Where'd you hear about EQ because it's clear you don't know much about it

>>76314260
sounds great go fo it
>>76314312
just tell these retards their apeshit ideas are great and to go for it. Hopefully they die and stop asking stupid questions here

>>76314260
Yeah that's the optimal cycle actually
Good choice

>>76314151
12 weeks

>>76311540
Your e2 might not be in check. I like to use primo because I can modulate to the exact dose so I get horny.
You can also drop the var (makes stomach purrrr) and add masteron or proviron instead.
Also try to get Tyrosin, 5htp and p5p and take them together. Your dopamin, serotonin and prolactin get in check.

shoutout to the dead space autism anon. turns out i've been doing 250 a week instead of 200 a week for my cruise.

>>76315871
>dead space
fell for the meme

>>76315871
>>76316097
qrd?

>>76315871
Why does dead space require autism
Seems like your math might be sketch

>>76316388
i just always pinned and didnt think about it. for trt was drawing .6ml instead of .5ml, due to dead space. put me at 250 ew instead of 200, was getting some fluctuating high estro.
>Seems like your math might be sketch
i passed calc 4 with a D

I have few old injuries that I have been living with for few years, if I am careful they don't flare up, but when I use more volume, more intensity they flare up and I have to take time off gym. I want to fix those, I already tried 15mg at 250mcg a day of bpc157 and it helped, but not fully healed. I was thinking bpc157, tb500 and something that increases growth hormone to help with joints and strenghten lingaments. I was thinking modified grf(1-29) as per reddit wiki or ipamorelin; also on the internet sermorelin and other are sometimes used, which one to use and what doses? Also would any of those can cause test crash? Would be also nice if that growth hormone peptide could help build a little more muscle

>>76308001 (OP)
I've been considering juicing for some time now. I've read up on the /r/steroids wiki.
I'm 105 kg so I still feel like I should lose more weight before I even think about it honestly.
I'm also looking at prices on the black market and doing the starting dose is pretty damn expensive. It's been a while since I looked into it now but I think one month would cost me 600 USD. (converted from norwegian currency)
This seems like a lot even if I have a well paying tech job.
I've always heard that it isn't that expensive to get started so the only logical reasoning I can come up with is that what I looked at was more premium than what most people tend to use.

>>76317435
aas is a middle class and above thing. cheap chinese gear is a recent anomaly. $600/mo may be high, or maybe not depending on what country you're in. gotta pay to play. if you don't like it, shoo around more. if you still don't like it, then it's not for you

>>76317435
Sounds like typical eurocuckistan
Don't they test you if they think you are on roids without any other cause?
Maybe just stay natty

What happens if I do a Clomid + Adrol only cycle?

>>76314260
Did you get good gains on that dose, anon?

>>76312092
Carnivore will skyrocket ur cholesterol and clog ur arteries, eat the damn carbs, nigga

>>76318091
>>76309506

>>76317859
I work a high tech job in Norway which is a pretty well off country but I don't think anyone can compare with american tech job salaries desu.
600 bucks a month would be 14.66% of my monthly salary. Maybe it would be worth it but I was just a bit surprised.

>>76318044
I didn't know that this was something that happens. It makes me think about reconsidering a bit yeah...

>>76318343
well, like you said, you liked at the high end stuff. there's always a range, and ugl's get raws from mostly the same places, so you're probably fine shopping around. unless you're looking at pharm grade, then you pay. plus i think things are hard to import to your country, so you pay a premium for that too. you'll find a way. good luck!

>>76318492
>unless you're looking at pharm grade, then you pay.
When you mention it I do remember seeing pictures of it pharma boxes and nice looking vials.

How hard is it to brew some test at home? Why shouldn't I buy a years worth of raws for extremely cheap instead of paying for expensive crap?
Surely a few ytube vids and chatgpt can teach me, right?

beligas any good?

>>76317435
>I'm also looking at prices on the black market and doing the starting dose is pretty damn expensive. It's been a while since I looked into it now but I think one month would cost me 600 USD
where the fuck are you looking 10ml of 250mg/1ml test-e is like 20 euro

>>76318528
well, pros you get consistent dosage and comfort knowing they're held to exacting standards, so nothing really to worry about from a manufacturing perspective. if you can budget it, nobody ever complains about pharma, other than it being expensive, or sometimes faked by bad resellers

>>76318713
I'm looking at the darkweb again now and I'm seeing some cheaper stuff that is still medical grade. $60 per vial.
The essential for starting out is 4 x 10 mL Vials.
Without doing any math here this should last for 10-12 weeks(?)

>>76318600
so fuckin easy. google it. lots of guides out there

>>76318820
if you do plebbit 500mg test blast you'll want to go for at least 16 weeks, but 20-24 is higher recommendation. 20 at 500mg/week = 10,000mg. 10ml vial at 200mg/ml = 2,000mg per vial, so you'll need five vials for a 500mg/week test blast. always buy more than you think you need. always buy anscillaries before you need them. meaning buy your ai, ralox for titties, and shit for pct, when you buy your test

>>76318846
Noted. Thank you anon.
But I still think I still think I need to lose at least 115 more kg before I would start this, and it's been proven pretty hard since I go up and down a lot in weight based on my long term mood.
I'm low test so I could probably get a little help legally but far from enough I assume.

>>76318857
>I need to lose at least 115 more kg
holy how fucking huge are you?

>>76318857
>need to lose over 200 pounds
lmao, wtf.

>>76318861
whoops my bad! I'm 115 and I need to lose 25 kg so I hit 90 kg.
It's been a long day, sorry.

>>76318865
I would suggest losing weight first to at least ~15% bf and see how you feel chances are your natty test will go up enough you won't even feel the need to pin.

>>76318867
That makes sense. It would be ideal to not take any at all.
But I'm also looking into taking some as soon as possible just to generally feel better.
To be clear, my Test is at 7.2 nmol/L and I think you get it perscribed from your doctor when it is below 7.0

>>76318911
Here the bottom limit is 9 and I'm already feeling like shit at 13, that's why I'm starting pinning once my test gets delivered. Can't imagine what it must feel like at ~7.

>>76318865
you are an American vassal
you are speaking to Americans
use pounds (more precise that kg)

I've never done anything wrong or bad before I'm super unhappy snd hate myself. People like my body but not enough. I think it's time for me to just do steroids but i'm still afraid of something

>>76318919
Yeah it sucks, but I also don't really know what the alternative feels like. I just know that I feel weak, depressed and that lifting doesn't really do as much as it should.
>>76318926
You're right. I should convert my numbers when I'm asking for help. It didn't occur to me that this was a american dominant thread or board.

>>76319006
There's significant social stigma associated with it even outside of competitive sports

>>76314260
Have you researched EQ for even 2 minutes. It acts a potent aromatase inhibitor in most people, such that the standard rec is starting 5:3 Test:eq. And youre wanting to run eq at double your test dose?

Christ this general is retarded. Reddit is somehow kore knowledgeable

>>76319121
>thinking some random noob one-off post is the status of the general
If it's that bad then you def belong here

>>76319016
i have a differing opinion, but just start 300mg/week now to hit above range, take an ai religiously from day one, and take semaglutide until you've hit your goal weight. no need to complicate shit with the oh just gotta stuff. if you feel like shit now, it'll take for fucking ever to do things the natty way

Getting intetested in HGH...I've seen people say 4-6 iu per day minimum for the low end for growth purposes,not recomp/fat loss.. But how long do you run it? Does the 6 months apply to low doses or higher doses too?

>>76318343
$600 a month is extremely expensive for gear. There are dozens of international and EU sources that sell test for around $50 a vial and that is on the expensive side still. Norway may be a high-risk country for shipping gear to but you can definitely find a cheaper source. Eroids lets you filter by region so I would start there but look on meso and sst as well, the prices tend to be cheaper there. Just for comparison, I’m in the US and for domestic sources I usually pay around $40 for one vial of test e and straight from china is more like $25 (yes, even with the recent shortage bullshit) but I’ve gotten burned a couple times so I’m only ordering from sources that have been around for a long time even if it’s more expensive currently.

Is the reddit wiki subcutaneous injection method legit? The guy on the video looks legit and like he knows what's he doing but I never heard of this method before. People always say to inject IM.

>>76319636
>take semaglutide
Isnt it a literal scam?

>>76321467
then take tirzepatide, or retatrutide. idgaf. i know tirz works amazingly well. no feeling of hunger at all. just you can get used to them over a long period, so it's recommended to go sema > tirz > reta, as each brings something new to the table that'll push you past the previous one's plateau

>>76321467
A scam how so?
Gray market glp1s are significantly cheaper if you are referring to the 1000 a month ppl get charged from legit doctors

>>76321486
>>76321797
It just suppresses appetite literally just dont eat and you get the same results for free. It doesnt help with fat loss in any way.

I think I finally found a statin that doesn't cause my liver values to go sky high. Pravastatin at 10mg at night seems to be working. Also no muscle pain or anything. Will use this for 100 days then slowly increase to 20mg.

>>76321848
Wrong thread fag

Just started taking creatine WAGMI

>>76322001
WAGMI

>clomid
>hcd
>test-c
Do I need anything else outside of needles of course?

>>76322115
dut

>>76322125
??

>>76321848
>just eat less
Yeah but everyone has their limit
It let's you cut harder than you normally would
And since this is fraud, you should be on a cruise dose of test so that muscle loss isn't really a thing for cutting too hard
Quicker, more efficient cut is pretty valuable
That's not even accounting for the additional effects of tirzapetide and retatrutide if you do those instead of semaglutide
Finally people will stack them, mainly tirz and reta
Better living through chemistry isn't just for land whales, anon

>>76322237
>Better living through chemistry isn't just for land whales, anon
You mean thin people ;)

>>76322237
just take dnp loser

>>76322829
Nah

>>76323035
>>76322829
Sorry wrong pic

>>76323035
>>76323044
>178
>real big
lol

>>76323084
It was before the cut but you could have easily guessed that, you just wanted to try to be mean on the internet
Anyway, I stabilized at ~190 for a bjj comp not long after, currently blasting and 210-215 now with 10 more weeks to go
Aiming for some PRs more than anything so will probably be back down around 180-190 by the year end for another
I feel my most athletic just under 200

>>76323119
I hope you compete against other roiders otherwise you're a fucking loser

>>76323121
Yeah most do, lots of capped delts, bicep veins and oversized traps
That is usually a sign they are in it more for vanity or training like bodybuilders
The real reason to roid is to double or triple the amount of training your body can withstand without breaking and injury prevention in general
Sorta depends on age and weight class 2bh
Also imagine thinking sports are not rife with it by default, my sweet summer child

>>76322115
dont forget an ai, like arimidex, or aromasin. maybe some anti-titty just in case, like raloxifene

>>76323119
are you 5'7? Not even trying to be a dick, but one of my roiders is similar weight and height and ripped so that'd make sense.

>>76323213
Slightly taller but still manlet status by /fit/ standards

>>76318694
I use them since I found a reseller in Asia where I'm living. The high concentration 450mg/ml eth gives a bit of Pip but not unbearable.
Gains have been pretty good too.

I dont know why the fuck i cant lose the last layer of fat. I eat only whole foods, calories and macro count, high protein, i fast, I do cardio but for some reason i cant get rid of the last little layer of fat and instead just end up losing muscle.

What should i fucking do. Metformin, clen, Berberine? A real babbys cycle? im tired of being like 165, tiny and still having a small layer of fat on me for no fucking reason.

I lifted before this and still have some muscle but I cant build any more without eating more, but if i eat more i gain fat as well. Its fucking killing me that I do a fuckton of cardio and even lift 2-3x a week with not much to show for it.

I just want to recomp so I can lift and look like a normal gym-goer, i don't care too much about being the most swole mf.

>>76323737
Used to be 185 doing 1/2/3/4 at the time but had to stop and drop more pounds cause i went from 240 to 185, then lifted for a year before realizing fat wouldnt budge so i tried maintenance lifting (didnt work), then i tried going straight hard balls to the wall cardio ED until i lost another 20lbs (along with a lot of muscle lost). All clean diet, yet this small layer of fat is still fucking there making me look like a skinnyfat dyel. Also, is it just loose skin or something? Is it worth /fraud/?

>>76323213
>but one of my roiders
wat

>>76323819
I hook up my bros with gear, and slowly watch them change. Its like having your own army of mutants.

>>76323737
>>76323749
Non fraud answer:
Lift obviously
do as much LISS cardio as possible, 6-8 hours a week is a good start, zone 2-3 heart rate and nasal breathing are good ways to know its right intensity
HITT 1-2x a week only if it isn't effecting recovery of everything else
Be at a calorie deficit, but with enough protein and lifting to maintain muscle, also preferably do cardio fasted while on yohimbine and caffeine and maybe berberine
Get some calipers and start weighing yourself daily and caliper once a week, record and track
If that isn't yielding results then start only eating carbs after a workout, peri-workout or before bed if you can't sleep, manage salt intake, use saunas and dandelion tea for water weight
Also look into lowering cortisol, stress makes you fat
You can track calories but don't get caught up on numbers, highly inaccurate, best to track protein for muscle sparing and then total calories in comparison to scale weight over time
Plenty of sleep 7-9 hrs, water 1.5-2gal,
Fraud answer:
the above plus
low dose hgh, 2-4iu
1-2g L-carnitine, IM injection split am/pm
Clenbuterol or salbutamol for additional stimulants and fat burning
If you want to cycle then a cruise dose of test, maybe some anavar or winstrol
T3 or T4 is an option but sorta last ditch
I doubt a glp1 would help much but that gets recommended a lot for weight loss here

My best results have been a big deficit while on test, a shit load of LISS, hgh and L-Carnitine

Picked these all up for -50% when I was loading up on my noots during a special, and said fuck it, might as well give each one a spin

I'm gonna become a sarm goblin and nobody can stop me

>>76323832
yeah sure you do

>>76323951

>>76323953
Im sorry you dont touch grass and stare at the floor between sets.

>>76323955
Kek. Are they any bennies to injecting sarms? I think SR9009 is the only one in my stack with low oral availability and it's not even a sarm

>>76323961
I hear boofing them has the highest availability
That's what the zoomers at my gym do at least

>>76323969
Ong?

>>76323951
>no LGD 4033
At least there's no cancerine 501516

How long should vials be good for? I have some that are a couple years old that haven't been punctured.

>>76308001 (OP)
Is the OP pic actually true /fraud/bros? Did you get more attention from women after getting that fake natty shredded physique?
Will roiding get me a gf?

>>76323949
nah you're right. glp won't touch that last bit. If your that far, will isn't likely the issue

>>76324194
Only one way to find out

>>76324190
not cloudy? not some weird color? no floaters? stored cool, dry, and out of direct sun? probably fine

>>76323949
>You can track calories but don't get caught up on numbers, highly inaccurate, best to track protein for muscle sparing and then total calories in comparison to scale weight over time


Thx for all the info.

Just as a last ditch, would DNP be a possibility or should i steer clear of it even at 200mg ed for a week or 2?

>>76323737
You have fat because you're 165 bulk up and gain some fucking muscles so the fat wont be noticeable. If you have 0 muscle mass 15% bf will look like 25% while if youre jacked 15% looks like 10%

>>76324307
>dnp in summer
May god have mercy on your soul

I want to fix old injuries, make my joints and tendons stronger. This is what I researched:
- everyday 500mcg bpc157
- tb500 2mg twice a week
- modified grf (1-29) 100mcg everyday
- ipamorelin 100mcg everyday
is it good enough? This is for 6 weeks

>>76324307
DNP is great if you’ve always wanted to die by melting from the inside

>>76325658
How old are you?
Easier to just do bpc157, tb500 and actual HGH
Preferably cycle the first two for 8 weeks and take hgh as long as you want better joints, at least 12 months imo
There's a few aas that help too, which would be a 16ish week cycle, bigger commitment obv
Everyone using ipamorelin and grf gives me sarm user vibes aka avoiding using the things that work out of fear and lack of experience

>body smooth like of a baby
>no body hair
>no beard
>yet a decent physique
How do I androgenmaxx /fraud/?

>>76323951
Anon you're going to be back here in 8 weeks talking about how you feel like about and another 4 weeks talking about how your clomid isn't working and you have blurry vision and you still feel like shit.
Buy some fucking test and run the SARMs as orals or you're gonna be in hell due to the suppression

ecdysterone works but my conclusion is that testosterone is at least 5x stronger by dose

>>76325794
Wait do people seriously run sarms without test? I thought its just a meme

>>76325849
Ofc
There was a rash of retards running orals without test not long ago too
The meme cuck image that keeps getting posted is real life

>>76324190
ages, I had 350mg 50ml vial from 4 years ago and it still puts me at 4000+ on 1ml split twice a week.
>>76323951
>no cardarine
>meme hair loss drugs
Ostarine is probably the only good thing there.
>>76324194
you could get one right now but you won't because you never interact with women anyway.
>>76325776
I got my dads hair genetics, he couldn't grow a bear and had zero body hair, he had a steel hairline tho. Only tren let me grow a beard, it's a meme anyway, if you got a nice jawline you don't need one.
>>76325849
There was a small period where an autist would constant post his meme sarm stacks and used a test base. Not sure why anyone would do it but still.

>>76325776
>>76325942
I look way worse with a beard, if you look good you will look better clean shaven. Bitches do be loving body hair tho.

>>76325942
>cardarine
>risking cancer for weight loss and babby cardio gains

nice try tumblr sarm goblin.

>>76326013
They like the pumpkin shoulders and six pack more. I shave what little I get.
>>76326047
You would need to take roughly 20 grams to get anywhere near dangerous levels and those rats in the study already had cancer anyway. The whole thing is a mummers farce. Faggot.

>>76326076
Never realized having abs means you cant have body hair.

>>76326128
they look way less defined with hair tho.

>>76326150
Thats a skill issue

>>76326206

>>76326076
>trust me bro this sarm slaps and won't give you cancer
tumblrfags on damage control

>>76324194
No but it will definitely get you a boyfriend

>>76324307
Dnp works 200mg ED will have noticeable more heat, but nothing intolerable. 400mg ED did that to me, and was honestly pretty shit.this living in florida and was last month BTW.

200md EOD will have even less sides while still raiding your TDEE a few hundred cals at the minimum.

Dont listen to the clueless pusssies who just shutdown at any mention of DNP. To OD on dnp takes a accumulation at like 800mg to a gram or taking something like 2g at once. Either is insane and not something that "easily" happens.

>>76326944
>nattyfags on damage control
Cardarine is the only decent thing to come out of the sarm market, and it isnt even a sarm. It really helps when you run tren.

Finally bit the bullet and opened my quads up as an IM injection site. Holy shit, all you pussies saying they sucked dont know what you're talking about. Easiest site imaginable.

>>76325849
There's no point in running test with sarms when the sarm boots the test molecule out of the androgen receptor and selectively outcompetes most roids. The entire point of sarms is to skip the side effects from roids which nonselectively bind to your organs and send your hairline into the shadow realm. You people are beyond retarded.

>>76327381
right? i'd pin 2.3ml there no problem

>>76327381
>>76327421
now do it a 100 times, report results; especially when you hit a nerve.

>>76327488
nerves have, so far, been fine for me. i put that needle in agonizingly slow, and i cam tell when i hit one. blood vessel with the tren got me good a couple times though

>>76327638
i'm tryin to think... i'd pin 15 times a week? six month blast, so... 360 times, but that's like... four a week in shoulders, four in vg, rest in quads

>SARM users are all zoomoids
>only mature, grown men roid out
Why does this thread push this meme so hard? If you punch in sarms on YouTube, it's literally all 35+ bros talking about it. Meanwhile, my gym has an epidemic of 17 year olds cycling test with deca and throwing their pins in public trashcans

>>76327638
I do alot of side glutes and ventroglutes now, I'll pin my test prop and mast prop in my lats but every fucking time I pin my lats with tren ace I cough sooooo bad.
>>76327988
I'm still a zoomer at 25 but it's largely died out, everybody basically knows roids are better.

>>76327988
>my gym has an epidemic of 17 year olds cycling test with deca and throwing their pins in public trashcans
you're just saying shit to sound cool on the internet

anyone on reta? I see all the hype but I feel like I have to be missing something. I can make a cheap ass 60 dollars vial of sema last me two months, but at the doses people are talking about it'd be about a vial/2 weeks for reta at 100 a pop. surely the difference in results can't be -that- big.

>>76328165
Gear is legal in cucknada. Maybe for you mutts it might be some incredibly rare drug.

>captcha = VAX

>>76328311
There is 100% a difference
And you get acclimated to the doses gradually
A lot of cases of people eating through them and needing to up the dose or switch
People stack them on leddit subs, usually tirz and reta
Do the minimum effective dose/compound if you want to save money but it's not really a drug for poors
This was reta and frauding >>76323044

>>76325736
25, and yeah, I am a bit scared I will fuck up something with hgh, ipamorelin and grf on paper look a lot better than hgh

Is oral bpc-157 a scam? For some reason everyone is out of injectable but i can get oral no problem.

>>76329059
Only ask age for aas cycle advice, under 25 it's not a great idea to fuck with your endocrine system
So test base, deca, eq, and var are options you may want to research
2-4iu hgh is considered a low dose and probably would be more effective than ipa and grf with minimal to zero sides
All the organ growth and acromegaly is 10x that or so
Easier to source and less likely to be underdosed or faked because hgh is a lot more common, but doesn't apply if you have a trusted source
There's some decent info about joints under collagen synthesis in the r/steroids wiki, hgh there too

i've been on estrogen from 16-19
in a moment of clarity i have now stopped
two quesitons:
- is there anything i can do to kickstart natural T production faster than usual
- how can i claw back the growth that i felt like i lost? mk677 or something? i have some but i don't know what dose to use and i'm borderline prediabetic
i know i'm retarded but please help

>>76330727
>i've been on estrogen from 16-19
lol, lmao. you're beyond fuck just hop on trt for the rest of your life there's no fixing that damage.

>>76330727
>how can i claw back the growth that i felt like i lost?
almost certainly too late at 19, 99% chance your growth plates are fused. fullblown hgh if not (not just mk677)

>kickstart natural T production
just get on TRT at this point lol. look into PCT protocols, tldr is a bunch of nolva for 6-8 weeks, or a shot of triptorelin

>>76330748
yeah i'm planning to take some raloxifene (either 30mg or 60mg) for 4 weeks - to clarify this is what i've been taking (not actual estradiol) so i'm a little more hopeful that growth plates and my balls are not entirely fucked
why do you suggest hgh over mk677?

>>76330727
Alright so your HPTA is no doubt in complete shutdown, need to wake it up, roiders do this regularly and tests with male contraception show a near 100% success rate but sometimes it can take awhile
Do a legit PCT, research HCG and nolvadex for this
Also look up HGH to use instead of mk677, it will effect blood sugar but not as severe and is more effective benefit wise. Might even get some height if growth plates aren't fully closed.
Finally metformin, berberine and/or L-Carnitine for insulin sensitivity.
If you can find a men's health clinic or knowledgeable endocrinologist, they will probably do at least the PCT portion. HGH tends to be banned and the other compounds are not what I would expect them to know about well enough to prescribe.
TRT for life might be your only option if none of that works.
Good luck.

>>76330829
thank you very much anon
i'd like to eventually taper off everything once my age lines up with my growth
a few questions if you don't mind:
- is hcg necessary? doesn't nolvadex (or raloxifene which i have seems to be similar enough) engage the pituitary to produce LH itself?
- is the metformin necessary or can i reasonably offset the hgh stuff with exercise and diet?

>>76330872
Neither is required but potentially needed if just ralox fails.
For comparison, just nolva or ralox are effective at restarting testes after a cycle of AAS is taken for 16-24 weeks. You've been shutdown 156+ weeks and during puberty no less.
Berberine is OTC and would be my first option if exercise and diet aren't cutting it. Actually it's cheap enough to do it anyway. Then L-Carnitine then metformin if it's not budging.
Hgh will raise it but at a low dose, not by much, particularly if you take it fasted and properly timed.
If you are serious about this and want a shorter restart then I think nolva/ralox + hcg + hgh is the optimal stack but again not absolutely required. Adult men shutdown for 12+ months in contraception studies sometimes take 6-12 months for a successful restart of natural production.
Here's the /fraud/ fertility pastebin that seems tangentially related: https://pastebin.com/D3StHc6L

>>76330872
Also this might be useful, pretty in depth even if for AAS usage
r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct/

>>76330970
>>76331017
thanks again
procuring hcg seems difficult and i'm not much of a roider (my experience is mostly with chinese chemicals that are US-legal, and research papers) so hopefully just the raloxifene at a mild 30mg/d dose is fine
would it be okay to use the mk677 i have already in the meantime while i acquire hgh? (and what would be a good dose? hopefully being 19 means i don't need to blast it like crazy to recupe the growth from 16) when is the best time to use it? i'd presume after my T production is up

>>76331033
Getting hCG isn't that big of a deal. Go to meso and look at the threads for some of the Chinese sellers like SSA and you can get it pretty cheap. I see 100,000iu available for $125 on one of the pastebins. They also sell a bunch of other shit you might want or need.

>>76331033
Personally i stay away from sarms and anything related to them
Seems like it would make you really hungry and problem make dieting difficult, additionally it would raise your blood sugar more than hgh
How much i have no idea, up to you if those are acceptable sides.

>>76331152
gotcha
>>76331245
mk677 is a sarm?
but alright, i'll consider it more carefully - mostly because i don't want to waste what i have already

I'm 35, training as hard as I can, but my natural test is in like 300s. I want to jump on TRT, but as I don't have kids yet, I am afraid even with extra stuff I'll end up sterile. What are you going to do to combat this? I looking into sperm freezing and it costs shitton here plus half of it dies when frozen, id need to freeze buckets.

>>76331290
Permanent sterilization is incredibly rare
Hcg during and pct to come off and restart, is pretty effective
Look at the pastebin above as well
Hell, people blasting and on active trt have gotten ppl pregnant

>>76331281
>mk677 is a sarm
No not technically but it gets lumped with them for whatever reason
Because it's a newer drug maybe

Whenever the thought of riding or hopping on trt enters my head, I just scroll through this thread and then I'm like "hell naw"

>>76331468
If you don't have the will to blast and cruise indefinitely then gear isn't for you anyway

>>76331468
if your natty test is high enough then sure but if you were ever truly low test you would understand that pinning for the rest of your life doesn't even sound that bad.

>>76330760
Ralox won’t do shit to kickstart your hpta. It is highly selective for breast tissue. You need clomid (or enclo) and nolva, maybe hcg as well. There are a ton of dosing protocols but the most common is 100 clomid 40 nolva for two weeks and then 50 clomid 20 nolva for two to four weeks.
Also, if you haven’t been taking estradiol what have you been taking? Your post makes it sound like you’ve been taking ralox which isn’t even hrt.

>>76332087
>which isn’t even hrt.
i'm a weirdo i guess, it's the best "hrt" that i came to after a lot of deliberation
will keep in mind that ralox sucks for this use, thank you

fml. gotta have surgery. wife wants me to disclose. i don't want to risk it causing insurance problems, soooo i'm gonna pct asap. no aas, nothing to report, right? fuck this is gonna suck. just starting to look like i lift, too....

>>76308001 (OP)
Anyone know what happened to that absolute fucking whore Tracy?

Also currently running 250 test, 200 EQ. Feels nice, good amount of energy and vascularity, could almost cruise on it

>>76308194
On that note, I am kinda fat and I'm on TRT. I feel my best at 150-200mg but I aromatize on it and am developing some gyno. Should I cut it down while I lose fat and then up it again once I'm lean?
I'm also planning on adding HCG, which I'll probably also have to reduce my TRT for since that'll also aromatize if and when it wakes my balls up.

>>76332331
Why do you have to stop your gear to have surgery? Is it gonna stop you from working out? Why would you need to disclose?
If you're doing shit high enough to potentially create surgical complications then you could just lower your shit to a cruise dose for the surgery and recovery and continue after.

>>76332287
Nigga do you really think taking ralox for 3 years has fucked you? Do you understand that taking actual fucking estradiol is several orders of magnitude away from just taking ralox?

redpill me on carbs mid workout

>>76332287
Wait wtf
You took ralox as hrt? That's the opposite of hrt...it blocks estrogen effects
Why do you even think your balls are shutdown?

>>76324230
>>76327023
>>76325942
What the fuck is the point of roiding then if you nigs aren't getting prime pussy or at least extra pussy from having a roided up physique?

>>76332528
It's fun
Why would you do anything like lifting or roiding for women, you can just go talk to them and get a gf

https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT06974526?intr=Oxandrolone&sort=StudyFirstPostDate&rank=1
Would you get an anavar ass pellet?

>>76332350
>could almost cruise on it
Used to cruise on 300 test 300 EQ. Feels so damn good, athletic

>>76332437
i know, and i'm hoping i'm much less fucked because of that
>>76332468
i took it with a gnrh (ant)agonist, most currently relugolix, previously buserelin

>>76332427
just to appease the wife. the second i said surgery she went off on gotta tell the docs everything because that's how people go to sleep and dont wake up. she's fine with this option, and i did tell her i'd pct at some point to see where my natty levels fall to. i'm just not looking forward to it. on the plus side we had a whole conversation since my whiney post, and now she said she'd be cool with me going to a clinic, so there's that. at least i can show a scrip if someone asks, and not have to worry about some unlikely series of events causing me to become uninsurable. so looks like the plan is suffer a month, get cut, suffer two more weeks, get bloods, show disappointing numbers, then hop back on. timing should be good to grab some hgh/slin/mast/eq, and blast through winter

>>76332570
Not medical advice but I would do 4 weeks high dose HCG + low dose anti estrogen like Aromasin, discontinue after a month and follow by a long, high dose treatment of Enclomiphine + Nolvadex until fertility and test production are restored. I would supplement high dose Zinc + Vit D + Citruline/Arginine + Fenugreek. Lift, do cardio, get enough sleep, water, eat a healthy diet with lots of vegetables, fish, red meat and eggs. MK677 or HGH if desired but realistically they won't do to much for physical growth here.

>>76332350
bitch shorted me 10mg prostaglandin e1 on my last order.... probably for the best lol

>>76332422
take your ai religiously, and you'll be fine. have some ralox on hand if you're worried. start sema, and lose them pounds

>>76332528
Is 20 yo petite blondes prime?

>>76332650
thanks for the recommendations
>MK677 or HGH if desired but realistically they won't do to much for physical growth here.
why do you say that? if like the other anon said ralox is mostly selective to breast tissue then growth plates wouldn't have closed?

>>76332659
I have Adex and Ralox for sure. I just don't want to have to take anything more than TRT long term. The idea of using AI forever with my TRT just pisses me off.
I'm cool with doing it if I'll be able to stop once I'm at a better bodyfat and wont need to consistently take them.

Also retarded question but how much Ralox would you take daily for a gyno flare up and for how long?

my sister is a FTM tranny, how high is this test dose compared to what you guys take?

Bros how rare is gyno?

>>76332869
I cant tell if its 3000mg a month or 1000mg a month.

>>76333134
Isn't it 1000? In this country I think you can only be given a max of 250mg weekly.

>>76330438
okay, so source(found on eroids) only has peptides, I think i will do bpc and tb only, and after 6 weeks I will think about doing hgh

>>76333060
if you have lumps under nipples it's gyno, it should feel different from normal fat

>>76333134
I read it as 1gram every 3 months.
That's the normal trt in most of cucked euroland. One 4ml shot of Nebido (250mg/ml) every 3 months. That works out to like 80mg per week which is in the neighborhood of what a normal male would produce.

>>76333208
why only 1 shot instead of doing like 3 per week by yourself. seems stupid

>>76333249
its made for normie men with low testosterone. the whole sales pitch is that you dont need frequent pins, which is a hassle that most people hate.
Many trt patients take gels for similar reasons.
Europe is fucked

>>76333146
>>76333208
It says 3 monthly so even if its just 1000mg a month its still really high dose.

>>76332422
Why don't you lose the fat you fat fuck?
I swear watching the lard asses going into the TRT clinic because they're too pussy to pin themselves weekly is a level of cringe unheard of.
>>76332648
Tell your wife to shut up. Foids quite frankly don't know shit.
You will never cause insurance problems because health insurance providers will not deny for pre-existing conditions and that includes drug and alcohol use.
> Life insurance
This one is trickier but if you were smart you got your life insurance before you started doing steroids so you technically didn't lie to them.
And FYI, if you do decide to get life insurance they don't go for your medical records at your doc nor is there a visit with a doctor/ nurse. They pull a data service provider that keeps track of all your prescriptions that were ever sent to your insurance and base your insurance risk profile off of that.
Jokes on them because my father was my doctor and I just got scripts through him paid with cash so to them I was the perfect candidate.
Regardless you're fine. Maybe drop your dose down to TRT test levels. Going pct cold turkey will delay your healing.

>>76333307
it says 1 3 monthly.
It's unclear. But what isn't unclear is that 1 shot every three months is the standard trt protocol for Reandron/Nebido, so its fair to assume that's what they mean.
A tranny isn't gonna take 3 grams per month, at least not prescribed by a doctor, no fucking way.

>>76333324
Yeah 1000 per 3 sounds more accurate it would probably put you at like low range natty levels.

Guys i feel so fucking retarded right now. Today for the first time in months not only Ive had an erotic dream but I woke up with raging boner. I shouldve jumped on trt way sooner i feel so dumb for waiting this long hoping my natty test can improve.

>>76308001 (OP)
I’m starting my first dose of retatrutide for a cut.

Any foods to stay away from? Tips?

>>76332781
word. aromitization varies a lot by individual response. try adjusting your trt dose down. aggressive gyno response 100mg ralox ed for a week

>>76333320
ah okay. insurance is my big worry. i'm cruising now, so all good. my hematocrit is high though, so gonna go donate blood. surgery should go fine. still gonna pct. deal's a deal, and she's been remarkably chill knowing i'm taking chinese bathtub test.... just doesnt know about all the other stuff hah

>>76333404
congrats on the boner anon. six months trt is when dick benefits settle in
>>76333440
dont eat like a fatty. dont force large portions. lean into the appetite drop

>>76333440
12-16oz steaks gave me the worst rotten food burps because of the slow gastric emptying effects
Anything that takes a long time to digest, eat like a half portion of it at most and spread meals out
Focus on protein obv, reta doesn't have a huge appetite suppression but it can be hard to get even the minimum sometimes
Big portions of goyslop level carbs gave me gas on both ends too but everyone is a little different
I did OMAD on top of reta so that's probably part of it

>>76333175
I'm far too retarded to be able to tell the difference between generic fat, muscle, and other lumps. I think I should take those tablets just to be on the safe side.
Thanks though.

>>76333517
>six months trt is when dick benefits settle in
Wdym?

>>76333847
if you have ed related to hormones, it takes maybe six months to undo with trt

>>76310577
have you heard of the high elves?

>shop received my payment on Monday and is processing the order
>still no tracking number today

>>76334694
What does roided high elf pussy feel like?
Asking for a friend

>>76330970
>>76332650
is this a bad plan?
20mg tamoxifen adjunct with 60mg raloxifene daily for 4 weeks
then mk677 10mg daily for 4 weeks
anything i could potentially be missing here? is an AI worth adding for the first 4 weeks? planning to get a blood test after then and will try hCG if T isn't not climbing

Trying a ment only cycle, and I'm not getting nearly enough estrogen. I was on 160mg ment, and I've radically upped the dose, I don't even know to what at this point because I just keep injecting until I can get my dick hard again. I think maybe my diet and supps are fucking with my estrogen metabolism or something. Apparently berberine affects estrogen metabolism and I take a shitton of that for example. Not taking any real anti-estro.

Now here's the thing, normally I stack ment with a TRT dose of test, say 200mg, and I'm estrogenic as all hell. And I'm on the same bottles that have made me estrogenic as all hell in the recent past, so I don't think it's bunk. I'm also getting all of the classic prog symptoms from ment (which I like desu). Anyway, I'm thinking of adding in some test, but I want to use just the bare minimum to maintain turbo libido and hard erections. What do you guys think?

>>76335324
>Ment
The true water buffalo cycle.

>>76333320
Are you fucking retarded? I am losing the fat, I'm asking if I should adjust my TRT dose while I do so to avoid the extra aromatization of being fat.
>I swear watching the lard asses going into the TRT clinic because they're too pussy to pin themselves weekly is a level of cringe unheard of.
This statement doesn't make any sense at all. When did I ever say I didn't pin myself? I'm not even prescribed TRT its self medication perma cruise from when I used to blast.

>>76335324
idk but I have a shitload of ment I bought from the tranny before he disappeared but I'm ascared to try it lol

>July 4th HGH sale

>>76335961
I probably should get some more L-Carnitine but they are sold out
Sucks

>>76335961
haha i get it because Americans need some humane growth :))

>>76336050
haha :)))

>>76330829
>>76330872
Hold on now.
Let's assume he's not baiting (I'm sure he is, but for the luls). Estrogen bombing shouldn't necessarily shut down your natural test production, just throw off T/E balance off to la la land.
The question is: Are you balls shriveled up? have you completely lost male secondary traits (beard, muscles, sex drive)? Did you literally stop growing up during those years?
If yes, you're fucked. If no, doing an aggressive PCT with HcG and nolva or similar would restart everything, along almost daily AI use like exemestane for at least two weeks. Going back to "where you would have been", in any case, is a train that departed long ago, specially at that age, but with a bit of luck the damage should not be irreparable. Take TRT as a last option, if you go down that route forget about growing even a millimeter in heigth in your last few years of development. If you do take TRT, don't forget to do it with hcg and estrogen management to mimic natural test production.
Good luck and stay away from (((doctors)))

>>76308950
I take AI when cruising 200

Like 7mg aromasin every 4 days

I’m getting some hair thinning and the front of my head which is very similar to what my father had. I started riding at 34, I’m now 37, and I started to notice the singing about two years ago. My best guess is, it’s about 80% genetics and about 20% the test making it worse

Looks like main options are

Minoxidil - will try, start with 5%
DHT blocking shampoo - effects will be localised, shouldn’t crush libido right?

Nuclear option is Turkey and hair follicle transplant but it’s not that desperate yet

>>76336715
just do fin/dut + min, min only will just delay the loss a little, and no shampoo won't work

>>76336757
What is fin/dut?

Finasteride alone will crush my libido and make me depressed, read this many times

>>76336757
Oh I see, dutastaride

Looks like only 2% of men get the decreased libido effect from fin
And about 3% get it from dut

Statistically.

Why does everyone on here say if you take fin it will ruin your life?

>>76336830
DHT is androgenic and is responsible for most of the secondary traits of being male
>take something that suppresses it
I've heard topical fin/dut exist and are better for avoiding a lot if the sides

Got my weiner sucked this morning by an 8 I matched on Tinder. She wants me to take her on my boat to see fireworks for the 4th of July tonight. Probably just gonna block her and play some Palworld lmao

Anyways my TRT appointment is tomorrow and I convinced the qts to let me bump up to 500 test e per week. What benefit package should I take? They add extra shit to the shot for me. The options are energy booster (I assume b12), mind booster, fat loss booster (I assume insulin or ozempic), hair and nail regrowth, anti-aging. Each one is 5 dollars but I get one for free.

Any guesses what the boosters are?

>>76337135
>Got my weiner sucked this morning by an 8
I reported this post to fbi

>>76336539
not bait, i'm actually retarded
>are your balls shriveled up
only recently as of the past few months, same with dick not working and lack of sex drive
>lost male secondary traits
beard stopped pretty early on, muscles again seemed to go away only more recently
will keep the AI use in mind, thank you, going to hope blasting hcg+nolva+exemestane will work

>>76336830
fin and dust only kills the nattycucks
they've limited slow androgen production they ultimately crash their dht . While we inject our androgens twice a week, even if we crash our dht, we can just inject mast. primo or just more test

Do you really lose your sex drive and struggle to get erect when you downcycle? This is just scare tactics right? That doesn't really happen right?

>>76335324
I love anadrol or halo for quick sex drive boner fix.

Newfag here
Why the fuck do I feel so much better with no test and high e2 than with super high test and crashed e2?

>>76337890
Cause youre a girl

>>76337135
wtf clinic prescribed 500mg/week? that's awesome

>>76337740
fyi maybe hcg aggressively (500iu eod? 1000 given your history?) first few weeks, and take high ai dose (e.g. 25mg asin) daily for as long as you're taking hcg. nolva as usual, up to 40mg, though debatable it's any better than 20mg, or even 10. i'd still say 20 though

>>76337793
it's relative. i currently want to fuck anything that moves, i'm frequently hard for no reason, and i've got a half chub when i'm not hard. i havent seen my i was in the pool dick in a while. so, yeah, when i pct (boo :/ ), it'll be like my dick is broke, because I'll be back to morning wood, and a random hard on here and there. you know, what's actually normal for a typical 40 something. now if i fuck up pct and my shit gets out of whack, then typical low t / high e2 sides also apply

Guys i'm wondering if my test turned bad or something.

Started my first cure a month ago, felt really nice at 2-3rd week. Everytime i pinned, i felt it a bit on my glutes, like a sting and afterward for a couple days i could feel that something happened there.

In france there as been quite a heat wave for ~15 days and my house got really warm, like 30-35°C (~95°F). I tried to keep the vials in a cooler environment, but ultimately i know it was above 25°C for an extended period of time.

I pinned yesterday, felt absolutely nothing on the pin zone. I feel somewhat moody and not-so-great compared to how i was the last couple weeks. Is it just because of my E2 going up ? Or have my test e completely turned useless ?

>>76338081
Nah, I just finished my first cycle (well, I just started a pct, so it's technically still going)
It's just that I feel absolutely fine even though my balls are grape sized

>>76338121
One day isn’t long enough to tell a difference. Also, heat doesn't significantly degrade test, or at least not at “room temp” levels and not that quickly. You’re probably over thinking it or your e2 is out of wack or something.

>>76338121
it doesnt degrade from heat until somethin like 175F+. warming the oil makes pinning easier though, so maybe you're not feeling hurt because it was absorbed by your body quicker

>>76338410
ooooh that makes sense.

Alright sorry for the retarded question, thanks guys

>>76338681
can't expect to know it all. keep askin, xister

>>76308001 (OP)
i wanna run primo but its so expensive
can i just buy some from china for cheaper?
i was looking at the steroidsourcetalk vendor but im sure chinese bathtub roids are cheaper

Optimal trt/cruise dose if I care more about not having sides (specifically high E2) than sick gainz?

>>76329272
yes, unless you have GI issues

36 male
Am I ready for low dosage of anavar just to get a pickup?
Where is the best place to read about these things, anyway?
Can I get a QRD on the various "options"?

>>76308097
>periodizaion
Do a bunch of acid to get good at tolerance and negatice side effects in 2wks

>>76340075
>multiple doses has significant less strong effect per same dosage
>bad sides are longer and a wholendifferent shit with heavyvuse
Like even alcohol but thatd take a few minths to see how damaging your shit fucks everything. I know from alcohol that being a moderate user for abyear makes yourbrolerance fo uo insanely so just saying howbdidnyou not start doing drugs before steroids these are footnotes to being super high and drunk maybe try going all in or going home because youre gonna fuck yourself up and thr avtual science behind this shit is best surmised into nobody would even know how to do it right.

>>76340040
every single ugl sources their raw from china dude lol

>>76337787
How do mast and primo target dht levels?

>>76340040
Its pretty expensive in China as well now I dont see any kits they sell it by vial lol

>>76340066
totally unique per person. some aromatize at 100mg. some at 500. some claim higher still. usually under 250 is fine

Can you "recomp" if you blast and eat maintenance calories?
I have so much fucking fat but I'm tired of cutting it is so boring I just want to get stronger...

>>76341906
kind of but it's better to cut before blasting so you can blast in a surplus for max gains

>>76341917
I already blasted once when I wasn't lean and got even more fat and now I need like a whole year of cutting to get abs but I aint fucking doing that its too hard mentally

>>76341929
your clen, t3 and dnp?

>>76341929
Just take tirz, 4 iu hgh and 200 mg test and you’ll be shredded in like 12-20 weeks.

>>76341929
Reta, cruise dose of test, 4iu hgh
Plus a heavy calorie deficit too ofc
See
>>76323044

>>76340073
Forget anavar, use test for 1st cycle or trt. Add anavar later when yiu know your shit.

Any fun extras to add to a test cycle? something with low sides preferably

>>76341697
250 isn't trt

>>76333404
and another one, last time it was a femboy this time a girl from work.

>>76343516
It is if you're not a good goy

>>76330727
Well I’m pretty sure that estrogen fuses your growth plates. Thank the Jews for that
Anyway you might be able to cure yourself with growth hormone but if they’re fused then you done goofed. Steroids will make you a man though so try to be kind to yourself

>>76332869
If you show how much it costs then I’ll tell you lmao

>>76343516
cope reddit nigger

>>76338094
thank you for the recommendation
>>76344367
it was raloxifene which should be a very weak estrogen and so i'm a bit more hopeful
would like to not roid for the rest of my life

>>76308001 (OP)
Doctor denied me trt I'm 350dl in the morning, I lift, eat good etc. I'm ready to just do a test and hcg cycle to shut me down and get tested again, any advice and where could I buy test and hcg?

>>76313092
Do you need a perception and do you have a link newbie here trying to get test and hcg to crash my levels and get approved by insurance

>>76345727
So you will buy UGL just to crash your test so you can get a real TRT prescription? Why? Just avoid the doctor altogether and buy UGL forever.
If you really want to crash it just sleep only 3-4 hours and then get tested again.

>>76343231
40mg tbol ED for eight weeks.

Got emergency gall bladder removal surgery last week, had to go down to cruise test and won't be able to lift for 1-2 months
I was wondering if something like anavar could help speed up the healing process for the incisions, as research shows that it helps with wound healing time
Anyone have experience using var for something similar?

>>76346216
>wondering if something like anavar could help speed up the healing process for the incisions,
Ever wonder why doctors dont prescribe roids for wound healing?
Because it doesnt do that, retard.
Natty nitwits really think roids are magic.

>>76345982
I did that I even stayed up for 24 hours, ate sugar before going in and got drunk that's the lowest I could get and because to save money I want insurance to cover test and hcg then extra ill buy more test or roids

>>76346487
Anavar is prescribed for wound healing though, specifically for severe burns. I'd also argue that roids are rarely prescribed in general because of the stigma around them, similar to opioids these days.

>>76308001 (OP)
My regular guy is out of all TestE, what should i get instead?


TestC 200mg?
Test Sust 250mg?
A blend of 200mg TestE 200mg Deca?

>>76346487
only ones ive heard of for healing are bpc and tb

>>76346765
Test c is basically the same
Sust is overrated and sorta trash
Test/deca blend seems hard to dose correctly, I tend to run way more test than deca for instance

I vote test c

>>76346805
>200mg instead of 250
REEEEEEE

I'm that moron who bought 400mg a few months ago and has been regretting it ever since, might be a nice break

>>76346814
Yeah i told you pip was probably gonna be a bitch, glad you survived
(and hopefully learned)
Some ppl don't get pip as easily tho, been testing 2g L-Carnitine a day and it's gradually getting less horrible to inject
Really sucked at first

Clenbuterol is a lot cleaper buying it in liquid form, should I buy the liquid form or is it a bastard to use that way and i will end up regretting it?

thoughts on cardarine?

I'm looking at either Cardarine or Clenbuterol, can't decide which one

>>76347005
>>76347063
Idiots lol

>>76347431
y?

>>76346846
dealer warned me AFTER he sent it, told me some guy bought 6 bottles and sent him messages begging for advice how to stop the PIP

>>76347431
Please explain, I'm going to order today

>>76347518
>>76347503
>>76347431
pls help

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