Thread 76340744

Why do DYELs and Redditors always insist on deadlifting when there's no real benefit for people who aren't training for powerlifting competitions?

>>76340744 (OP)
>injuring yourself with a sub-2pl8 diddy as a grown man
kekaroo!

It feels effective as a lower body strengthener, that's why I like it.
That said, I fucked my back up 22 hours ago dead lifting and I'm concerned about it. I don't know how to differentiate between a muscle strain or a bulging disc.
Has Anon ever fucked their back deadlifting? and how did it play out?

>>76340744 (OP)
>growing up around boomers and silents that cripple themselves picking up a single box of books
It's a mystery.

>>76340744 (OP)
When done right, it's the king of exercises. Stresses my quads, hamstrings, lats, forearms, and lower back. Lower back is barely even used and if you're feeling it on light weights your core isn't braced. My hamstrings gas out way way before my lats feel sore, both of which occurs before my lower back feels it

>>76340744 (OP)
>no real benefit to being able to lift a heavy object off the floor
You'll be in your 40s and moan about your bad back every time you have to bend over

>>76340744 (OP)
>webm
Literally what did he even do that caused that? His lift-off looked the exact same as the first rep which went up fine

>>76340744 (OP)
Every single person i know that hates deadlift because muh spine or muh discs or some shit has a subpar back or weird proportions that make it hard for them to DL

>>76340802
Sounds like you're describing the average deadlifter.

>>76340744 (OP)
careful
you might realize that there is no real benefit to lifting at all for people who aren't insecure

>>76340824
Meanwhile every body building chad who’s ever existed ignores the exercise. Really makes you think

>>76340839
>higher T levels and a longer life aren’t benefits
Checkmate.

>>76340840
if i were on literal grams of roids i'd do nothing but cable exercises too

>>76340744 (OP)
Depends if you want a big fucking back and like being strong and like lifting shit off the floor

Btw, girls love it when you can swipe them off the floor and throw them into bed without a struggle. Cable tuggers will never experience this.

>>76340854
Every guy I’ve ever seen deadlift at my gym looks like a 6/10 powershitter. No matter how much you try to shill that women prefer raw strength it just isn’t true. Abs and big arms is how you get the girl.

>>76340814
The first rep was also a problem. He likely felt pain and ignored it, thinking it's normal to feel any kind of pressure in the lower back.

>>76340824
You can build a good back with rdls, good mornings, hyperextensions, pulldowns and rows though

>>76340744 (OP)
I would say, from my experience, that the deadlift would be the single best exercise for people to do. I reckon, fitness-wise, a person getting a 2xbw deadlift would be the single best thing to improve their fitness.

>>76340869
>you can build your back with variants of the deadlift and biomechanically similar exercises

>>76340873
And your experience being a 5’6 brown pajeet?

>>76340880
You take that back. I'm a 5'7 white pajeet

>>76340880
saaaaar do the deadlift

>>76340744 (OP)
BFMV (Big Four Mind Virus)

>>76340880
i never see pajeets deadlifting in the gym. they just stand around with 10lb dumbells or on meme machines

>>76340869
An RDL is a form of DL.

>>76340744 (OP)
It's fun

>>76340861
I have abs and huge arms as well
>Girls prefer it when you are weak
Grim

>>76340778
plz respond

>>76340814
It's called tension myositis syndrome. It's a whole big thing that people are too stupid to accept. It's almost always the reason for sudden back pain. Harmless but incredibly painful.
>>76341005
If you can walk it's TMS.

>Deadlifts don't do anything and are bad
Ok DYEL

>>76341016
Does it fuck off with time?
Ibuprofen and acetemonophen aren't touching it.
Extension based stretches temporarily relieves pain but it comes back with any degree of flexion or prolonged walking/standing. Sitting also mostly relieves the pain.

>>76340935
And in my experience the more dangerous variety

>>76340791
This. I always put an uncomfortable weight on, like 120kg - 140kg and do 20-30 reps as fast as possible for 3 Rounds. Some times I add 10 Box Jumps after every round. This feels really good.

>>76341043
It's caused by stress that your mind has to dump somewhere and ends up constricting vessels in the your back. Real pain, but no injury. (there are other ways but we tend to copy each other and back pain is the latest trend, it was stomach ulcers in the last century) It's some real esoteric shit. Basically boomers were onto something when they said it's all in your head. When you truly believe that and stop stressing is when it goes away.

I deadlift because no other lift makes me feel strong the way a deadlift does. There is just something basic and satisfying about picking up a heavy weight and putting it back down.

>>76341084
Have you tried Power Cleans? You can pick up heavy weight even higher that way. Impresses the normie like no other. When they expect you to deadlift and you just Power Clean it there jaws drop.

>>76341064
Ok, but have you successfully prayed away the gay yet?

>>76340744 (OP)
I used to like deadlifting, aside from preventing low back pain I couldn't give a fuck to do it anymore. Way too taxing and it doesn't even give you any musculature

Isn’t it embarrassing to look fit but have weak ass deadlifts? Why wouldn’t you want to be able to pick up heavy things?
The exercise is fun, manly and absolutely necessary if you want to make it.
There are so many threads about skipping deadlifts, and there’s an echo chamber of weaklings here who can’t man up and do some real shit. Embarrassing!

>>76341119
>it doesn't even give you any musculature
This is the worst part about it. You see rail thin dweebs lifting 3-4 pl8, but it doesn't fucking matter because they look exactly like rail thin dweebs (like OP).

>>76341119
It's not even that taxing. Squats are twice as hard

>>76341128
That phenotype of deadlifter is only made when the people deadlifting treat it like a game of leverage abuse instead of activating all your muscles and lifting it properly

Are deadlifts meant to be more tiring than the other compound lifts or am I doing something wrong? I usually do 5x10 but for deadlifts only I'm exhausted and the rest of my workout suffers for it

>>76341154
That's a lot. Does it include warmup sets?

>>76340744 (OP)
I always seem to hit my knees on the way down.

It's an old outmoded lift that is only crawling through the decades because faggots need it for ego lifts.

It's a shit lift where any benefits can easily be reproduced in other, safer ways and hypertrophy benefits are shit-tier compared to alternatives for actual back and leg hypertrophy.

>>76340744 (OP)
i get compliments on my back and all i do is rows (on a rower), pullups, and boxing a heavy bag

it's only dangerous if you're a sub 100 IQ darkie that "can't breathe" correctly when deadlifting

>>76341161
Yeah, the first set or two is the buildup. Depending on how I feel on the day, I go for 3 or 4 work sets

>>76341117
No. You're still here.

>>76340744 (OP)
>started to feel lower back pain while deadlifting 2pl8 for warmup
> now i see this thread
bro i live inside the fucking truman show 100%

>>76340814
not an expert but
>doesn't seem like he is bracing
>his hips rise too fast
>his knees are too forward and shoulders are too forward
hips rising too fast are major problem i think

>>76341154
nope you're not breathing and bracing correctly
the only compounds that should actually make you exhausted are olympic lifts

>>76341045
More important though. In real life you pick shit up and have to put it down carefully.

>>76341154
they are not meant to be tiring
they are more tiring
thats why in SS you usually do 1x5 not 3x5 with deadlifts less is more is actually true
also not only deadlifts are hard but also loading up and cleaning them up is also kind of taxing not much but it adds up

>>76341181
same guy in the webm doing it as well
not sure if you can fix it tho

>>76341310
absolutely correct. when your hips are too high, you're offloading the weight to your lower back. ever hear the adage "lift with your legs"? that applies to deadlift.

>>76340814
also dl are extremely taxing if he is spamming them everyday with bad form = big trouble

>>76341340
yeap rippedtoe also has a cue
>push the flooraway from the barbell
for deadlift

>>76340744 (OP)
>lift babyweight with slightly incorrect form
>injured for life
bros lifting is too hard

>>76341371
That's literally how it is, though.

>>76341154
look up stimulus and fatigue ratio from Mike Israetel

>>76340814
The way he put his weight down on the first rep looked dodgy af to me, he had to move the barbell away to get beyond his knees, betcha that's when the first ACK siren blasted, he should have listened

>>76340744 (OP)
Deadlifts are absolutely amazing, but there's no point in going for max weight lifts. Increase the rep range and use a lower weight. RDL is great because it forces you to lower the weight in a controlled manner.
This shit improves your back like nothing else.

>>76341433
>Mike Israetel
Fuck that ((idiot)).

>>76340744 (OP)
>can do 20 pull ups
>can bench 225 for 12 reps

NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOUR NOT ACTUALLY STRONG BECAUSE YOU DON'T PUT YOUR BACK IN JEOPARDY FOR A MEME EXERCISE

kek

>>76340824
I can always spot a non-deadlifter. They have no spinal erectors.

>>76340840
Pretty sure Arnold, Ronnie, etc all had massive deadlifts

>>76340873
Completely agree. If we could get every adult in our society to a 2x bodyweight deadlift it would solve so many things.

>>76341506
Show me one (1) video of either of them doing a deadlift and I’ll eat my cum and quit /fit/ forever.

>>76341707
Is this a serious post?

>>76340814
look at how far forward his knees are, his starting position doesn't even allow him to use his legs properly

>>76341737
bro just wanted a reason to quit (he won't and he won't post proof)

>>76341707
enjoy your meal fag
https://youtu.be/uYm7SJn_6ZI

>>76340814
He’s a bitch, fate does this to bitches who try non bitch activities.

>>76340744 (OP)
lmfao bro that's fucking pathetic, i dont deadlift at all in my plan and i can do 4pl8 deadlift, deadlifting is a dyel exercise if you're just lifting for aesthetics

>>76341707
Bro.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gyIW6y2WQ0g&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD

>>76340744 (OP)
Because they are groupthinkers, and basing routines around powerlifting compounds has been the groupthink for decades now, regardless of goals. It's idiotic.

>>76340778
It could be a bulged disc. In my experience it will just feel like really bad low back pain the first couple of times it happens. The first two just caused really bad pain that almost felt muscular like it would take me a while to fully straighten my back after sitting for a while. The third time I got sciatica: burning +sharp pain from quick movement. For me it was the atg high bar meme that did me in. If you don't have the right proportions for squat or deadlift they will eventually claim a disc imo. Or a knee depending on the mobility faggot you subscribe to.

>>76341497
this and so much this
I never deadlifted in my entire life and still managed to lift 140kgs for 5 reps a couple months ago. It's a meme excersize for 99% of gymgoers.

bros i wont be able to ever do squats (my knees hurst) and deadlift (my lower back hurts) its over

>>76340935
>bar doesn't touch the ground unless you started with it on the ground
With a deadlift, the weight starts on the ground and ends on the ground every single rep. Only the first rep is a deadlift. Everything after is just a glorified good morning (reddit exercise).

>>76342144
Are you calling Dorian The Holocaus Never Happened Yates a redditor?

>>76342131
Congrats on the bodyweight DL

>>76342219
I weigh literally half that
Got a sick t-shirt and some preworkout for doing those deadlifts at a fitness convention. The only thing (you)'ll ever for doing deadlifts is a back injury

>>76342245
>I weigh less than 160lbs
kek

>>76340874
Exactly. Why risk on an unsafe exercise when there are hundreds of safer alternatives?

>>76340935
It's safe if you don't use straps and lift whatever amount you can handle. Most of the time this is about 50% of your deadlift 1RM.

>>76340744 (OP)
Dyel detected

>>76342419
i can lift about 90% of my deadlift max without straps or a belt. although i suspect my max might be a bit higher than i think it is

>>76342419
because all the alternatives present the same risk lmao

>>76342419
>Most of the time this is about 50% of your deadlift 1RM.
Holy fuck are you a woman?

>>76341327
Just so we're clear, I'm saying the RDL is more dangerous. I've never had random pains in my hammies and groin that force me to stop midset when doing regular deadlifts.
Now the reason most people think of the RDL as being safer is because they don't use nearly as much weight on it as they could be, case in point >>76342419.

>>76342126
Did you recover from your bulged discs or what, man?

>>76341128

Yup and at that extent what's even the point?

>>76340744 (OP)
I did deadlift when I was powershitting and really you can just do back squats and weighted extensions instead. If you don't want to dl you should implement some spinal erector isolation. Sometimes I see guys doing these for crackhead sets, very rushed and for high volume, this doesn't do you any favors with this lift. Stop imagining it like curls or whatever else, it's a full body max effort lift, imagine driving your car by stomping the gas pedal over and over. Don't do that
>>76341154
Deads are crazy expensive. I bet you're exhausted with 5x10. Recommend dropping the volume. I did 10 reps of this total in a typical week. People often assume more volume is better but what really happens is your deads go up when you do them less. There's no magic to that it's just allowing for recovery.

>>76342633
Yeah eventually. I can do everything now I am just really careful about ROM and anything involving my back is slower rep no chasing weight. It's been years now and I haven't snapped my shit since. And desu moving to leg press and Smith machine bgss gave me better gains anyways.

>>76340778
it's a muscle strain. you will be 100% fine in a week or 2. you'll probably feel 50% better in a day or 2.

It's more fun.

If I see u using cable machines I am going to assume u are a boring gay wimp. Ahhh noooo my wittle spwine is so fwagile

>>76342796
Thanks for giving me a sliver of hope.
Did you require any interventions?
Did your pain radiate?
How long to partial and full recovery?
I'm at 36 hours and no better.

>>76342855
What gives you the confidence to say that? I'd like to have your confidence, please share.

>>76341310
My first thought too. You can see that 70% of the upper part of the lift is almost entirely his upper body.

>>76340814
he hit a pocket of nerve gas

>>76340873
Lacks core activation and is a no brain lift, being good at heavy front squats is way harder and doesnt entirely neglect mid upper subcutaneous or whatever stabilizer muscles like when working on core with mostly incline/mp to get front raise heavy.

>>76340778
Bumping for more stories of Anons hurting themselves deadlifting and how it turned out.
It's been 45 hours and I've had no improvement with stretches, hangs, or ibuprofen/acetaminophen.

>>76343098
>Did you require any interventions?
Nope
>Did your pain radiate?
Yeah when I had sciatica
>How long to partial and full recovery?
It took a week or two before I started to notice improvement. It took at least a month before I was completely back to normal. Walking as much as I could seemed to help.

>>76340744 (OP)
No fucking clue. Calisthenics is objectively superior for upper body

>>76344094
Still stressing are we?

>>76344111
Trips of hope. Thanks, Anon.
>>76344219
Yeah. I'll work on that, too.

>>76340888
Do the deadliftul

>>76341032
Man, I haven't seen any of Harry's animations in maybe a decade. I should look him up

>>76344094
Deadlift expert here. I tried the trap bar and ego lifted and hurt my lower back. I woke up in the morning and felt like an 80 year old with a broken back. Think Christian Bale after Bane broke him.

Used chatgpt to diagnose it as a torn ligament (only do this it you're legitimately smart and know what you're doing, I would not recommend this strategy to people who neither know how to use chatgpt nor has enough body awareness to conclude what the issue is). I did some targeted stretches and my back cracked in a million ways and aggressively so. After that, the pain completely went away and I had mobility again. Avoided deadlifts for 6 weeks, and slowly reintroduced them over the following 6 weeks.

>>76341426
>deadlift supposed to teach how to do hard things
>deadlift itself is hard
wtf???

>>76342144
RDLs and Good Mornings are both GOATed. This is the most retarded opinion I've ever observed on this board.

>>76340778
only had injury from deadlift one time, may years ago. was being careless during warmup, suddenly a sharp pain. hurt real bad, for days i almost couldnt stand up, the pain was so bad. then the pain went away and i could go straight back to deadlifting with no issues. that was the weirdest injury ive ever had. zero back problems since so probably was nothing disc related, just a strained muscle or something

>>76340744 (OP)
im sure you're the same kind of retard who thinks ohp is bad for building shoulders
you're just weak

>>76344973
One could be so lucky.

>>76343397
If you're not feeling your core in the deadlift you're not bracing hard enough and you're gonna have a bad time.

dl makes dyels feel like hot shit because they can lift a lot of weight relatively to other exercises
dl imo should be a benchmark exercise that you do from time to time to see where you stand
anyway every exercise that's easy to fuck up and puts your spine directly in harm's way is shit because that's a high risk low reward deal, same with squats
you need maturity to understand that thoughever

How long does it take to recover from a trip to Snap City?

>>76343397
Are you retarded perchance? Having a strong core is the only way to have a strong deadlift

>>76340744 (OP)
Deadlifts are pretty useless for building muscle below 3pl8, but imo they really glow your traps and glutes from 3-4pl8

>>76341181
You have to hinge your butt far enough back before lowering it past your knees

>>76340744 (OP)
speak for yourself I am the most autistic man in this thread and even a retard like myself deadlifts 5 plates

>>76341497
Who said this? You're making up imaginary quotes. If someone said this to you, then you're obviously a retard that falls for people mocking you on an anonymous website

>>76341707
Arnold literally started as a powerlifter you dumbfuck

>>76342245
That's actually really impressive that you double over handed 2x your bw as a dyel

>>76341122
>trust me bro, bending over is totally manly and alpha
get a load of this guy

>>76341122
It's an old outmoded lift that is only crawling through the decades because faggots need it for ego lifts. You're a chump.

>>76344239
I revisit chocolate cake every once in a while.

>>76340778
I strained a muscle in my lower back twice in the same place deadlifting. It was extremely tight would hurt a lot when going from flexion to extension at first, but that dissipated at a logarithmic rate with slight hints of pain remaining for many years.

>>76347525
I like how the meaning of ego lifting shifted from moving weight with abysmal form just to get a rep to simply lifting heavy weights in general. If you're not lifting to satisfy your ego what are you lifting for? """functional strength"""?

>>76340744 (OP)
they've been memed into them

>>76340744 (OP)
Deadlift and squads are complete meme exercises. I guarantee you, everybody who shills these, has injured himself by doing either deadlift or squads.

>>76340778
>Has Anon ever fucked their back deadlifting? and how did it play out?
Tweaked it twice, think it was sacroiliac joint. Stretch hamstrings a lot and don't point toes out.

Going heavy is pretty pointless most of the time.

>>76340778
Nearly 72 hours out and no better.
Extension is soothing but flexion is awful. I cannot bend down to the floor without 7/10 dull pain and a ratcheting movement pattern, and when I do, I have to use arms to get back up. Same with transferring from sitting to standing. I have to use my hands on my thighs.
I'm going to try to set up an appt with a doc today to get the imaging ball rolling.

>>76348240
For SCIENCE, dude!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RECuQaaGGfA

Is it normal my lower back feels extremely sore after doing lowerback exercises like dls or back extensions. It's not soreness like any other exercises, I can hardly walk just waddling like a duck or sit and rest for 20 minutes before everything just fades away and I'm completely fine.

>>76348473
My guy, go to a doctor. This is not the place to ask if you genuinely need help.

>>76348492
Lay off the exercises that cause the pain for a while. Pain is your body's way of letting you know there's a problem.

deadlift is an intelligence filter. if you ACK yourself deadlifting, you're unironically below 100 IQ

>>76345416
Then how do you train your posterior chain aka your actual fucking strength?

>>76345027
>ohp is bad for building shoulders
well it is

>>76348504
It's not a sudden thing it's been like this for many years.

>>76348626
what's your press

>>76348700
1000lbs

>>76348707
too ashamed to even admit it truthfully, that tells us everything we need to know

>demand irrelevant information
>declare self the "victor"

what is this flavour of retardation called?

>the weight you can press is irrelevant in a discussion of the press as a shoulder exercise
moronic leaf

>>76348473
stop deadlifting anon, it's not worth it

>>76340744 (OP)
Hernia?

>more retarded drivel

lol

>>76341520
I dont know if you are being facetious, but that not entirely wrong

>>76348713
He just added a 0 by mistake

>>76347243
>you double over handed 2x your bw
for 5 reps. I didn't think it was that impressive but it was definitely fun to do

>>76348473
>does deadlifts
>gets injured
why does this happen so often?

>>76349557
>>76348519

>>76340744 (OP)
Sometimes you have to lift heavy stuff off the floor. It's practical to train.

>>76349557
My theory? It is probably the lift people max out on the most frequently.

It's the greatest posterior chain exercise in existence, that's why. Traps, rear delts, entire upper/lower back activation + glutes & hamstrings. If you're not deadlifting you're missing out.

>>76349625
>If you're not deadlifting you're missing out.
missing out on what?

>>76342144
>With a deadlift, the weight starts on the ground and ends on the ground every single rep.
only if you're a weak bitch and can't hold it.

Nothing comes even remotely close to hitting lower back as hard as deadlifts. It's dyel cope to not do them, just like not doing squats. You'll never make it.

>>76340744 (OP)
Average deddy sharter

>>76340744 (OP)
Did he pop a hammie?

>>76349658
>missing out on what
>the greatest posterior chain exercise in existence [...] Traps, rear delts, entire upper/lower back activation + glutes & hamstrings
do you read much?

>>76350015
well I do and I still don't know what I'm missing out on by not doing deadlifts
I train all those muscles already

>>76350213
>well I do and I still don't know what I'm missing out on by not doing deadlifts
>I train all those muscles already
For me it's the lower back or core. After starting deadlift it's just...stronger, can bend any direction without much effort and don't get hurt. You have to be careful lifting weights, but it makes normal life easier.

>>76341062
Master troll

I don't want this thread to die.

>>76349575
the problem is that real life lifts are completely different from gym style deadlifts. in the real world you dont lift bars, dragging them over your shins and knees to protect your spine. when you lift furniture or a washing machine or a fridge its usually further away your body and you have to lift it from the ground and not almsot knee level, so you need an even stronger back, deeper squat and strong front delts and a biceps that can stay isometric carrying a heavy load for at least 30 seconds.
if you lift an object in real life youre also suppoed to carry it somewhere and lower it slowly to the ground again, not drop it with force.

>>76340778
>Has Anon ever fucked their back deadlifting? and how did it play out?
Yeah
I crawled out of the gym and never deadlifted again

>>76349658
horrible, irreversible, life altering injuries

>>76340861
>No matter how much you try to shill that women prefer raw strength it just isn’t true.
Both are true. I'm slightly overweight so no abs, but good looking, and a hot chick less than half my age actually flirted with me when I was deadlifting. Only 2 plates too.

>>76340854
:/. I wish I could experience this. I can deadlift 400 but sadly have never felt the touch of a woman.

>>76340744 (OP)
stiff legged deadlifts and RDLs are legit
real deadlifts are retarded and keep jewish doctors rich off your slipped disc

>>76341119
>>76341128

Snatch grip. You'll get the biggest upper back growth.

>>76340778
Yes
I had to get surgery on my L5-S1
I takes me 30 minutes to get out of bed, and 2 hours for my body to get warmed up to move around or do anything active

mark ripptoe and the faggot online spamming starting strength and powerlifting as a case cause arnold did it need to be hung

>>76340744 (OP)
There are giant benefits I walk the best up and down hill now
You are so pathetic and dumb lmfao hahahahaha

>>76340744 (OP)
>being strong has no benefit
Listen to yourself lol

>>76340778
Did you feel an immediate sharp, excruciating pain like a bolt of lightning down your back and possibly down the back of your leg that had you borderline paralysed? Then it's probably a disc. Did it feel fine during your workout and now a few hours later you feel a twinge if you move into certain positions? Then it's probably a sprain.

>>76340744 (OP)
>does a good morning deadlift
>hits bar on thighs on downswing
>OP hates and makes fun of the most functional exercise besides pull ups
sigh

>>76348240
I lift to be better at sex and work, and the deadlift in no way factors into either of those. I'm good at my job and great at shagging with no really heavy lifts of any kind, although I do use quite high weights on the leg press but it's a machine so it doesn't count.

>>76340744 (OP)
Well, you're free to list one (1) lift that strengthens as many lower body muscles and is as effective as the traditional deadlift.
I am at no risk of snapping my back exactly because I am not following a strength/powerlifting routine, but rather I am taking a lower weight higher volume approach, I don't really care about not reaching 5+pl8.
This is going to sound very alien to your micro brain, but you are NOT obligated to keep increasing the weight for the big four compounds, they ARE still the best and most complete lifts even for endurance training.

>>76353598
Dude. If you can lift heavy thing, lifting other heavy things is easier.

>>76340744 (OP)
I like debilitating back pain.

>>76353984
i lift for a living (male nurse) and hardly ever is it a deadlift. its most often an isometric squat and strong front delt/biceps raise to get the patients ass in the air and moving from right to left. deadlifsts, especially romanian deadlifts are completely useless to me. well they help with keeping the back straight, but otherwise they are not functional lifts.

>>76340814
>>76340744 (OP)
Bad form and was probably ignoring pain on the first rep, his back and core arent braced at all and you can also see that he jolts his hips forward and puts pressure on his hips and knees rather than just letting the motion go naturally in his hamstrings

That video is a testament to why form is so important if anything you can injure yourself even with light weight if youre not maintaining good form especially with leg exercises

>>76348325
This theres no reason to go heavy and low rep unless youre specifically training to powerlift, always do a weight you can handle for 10-15 reps its not worth it to injure yourself.

>>76349610
>It is probably the lift people max out on the most frequently.
Yeah, but why? benching 225 for 10 or doing 12 clean pull-ups result in a much better physique and are less likely to injure you. a heavy deadlift is never the reason or result of a good physique

>>76354066
Not only that but you don't want to rep to failure either.

I had a goal of 1rm 315 and did that, went back to 225 singles beltless, may never go higher unless it's too easy.

>>76340778
Never hurt myself deadlifting other than the annoying stinging pain the lockout brings from having had surgery on knee cartillage (partial meniscus removed, got fked in car accident).

I've had sciatic pain in the past. If you fucked your lower back it's extremely likely you will feel pressure or pain in your heel. If it's rly bad its a nasty strong pain that prevents you from doing anything. I sometimes have mild tingling but I found that stretching every workout and every 3-4 days when not going gym does wonders.

>>76353598
This is true.
Pic related with 20kg i cant do more than 5 reps.
150kg squat 1RM btw.

>>76340744 (OP)
i cant say deadlift ever made me "bigger" in any specific way but it felt fucking incredible. the best post workout high i ever felt was after hitting my first 2pl8 diddly as a newfag, i drove home from the gym after and got such a surge of energy through my body i had to scream. it wasnt mental at all, i cant explain it, i just sat down in my car and took a deep breath and it was like a spring uncoiled inside me.

>>76354761
benching is probably hand in hand with injuries lil zoom zoom

>>76354973
Yeah pretty sure benching has killed more people in the gym than anything else.

>>76354066
>10-15
I would say at least 15-20+ per set
endurance training is so underrated
it builds the strength that will actually be useful in real life, and you will still achieve a muscular body just fine

>>76353598
Just do good mornings and zerchers and snatches retard holy shit lifting is NOT that complicated unless you make it

>>76353730
o_o
How far out from surgery are you now?

>>76340778

look in the mirror and see if your hips are at an angle, I slipped a disc and my shit was tilted like 15 degrees and the most pain ive felt in my life

>>76355774
its been about 8 years my nigga
i wish i never listened to these fat faggots spamming SQUATS, COMPOUND, YA NEED STRENF TO LOOK "PULL" ARNOLD DID IT, U NEED A POWERSHITTING BASE BRO

"hey man this hurts my back a lot what should i do?"
JUST WORK ON UR FORM BRO

desu the best thing ive done for my back has been mobility training, which doesn't get mentioned enough here because thats what all the former athletese and bbers that snapped their shit up are doing these days

>>76340744 (OP)
I do rackpulls from the knee instead. Way less chance of injury and you get a fuckin sick back pump

>>76356220
>blames the exercise for getting injured
>hey man this hurts my back a lot
You are just and have shit genetics.
What a power dou.

>>76340854
>deadlifts
>big back
I would appreciate it if this stupid ass meme would die. You get a big back working your upper back with rows you retard

>>76356903
I never do rows and have a big back. All I do are deadlifts, pullups, lat pulldowns.

>>76340861
imagine taking pride in being a weakling because girls apparently prefer it (they really don't btw)

>>76341093
Unless you're power cleaning +4plates just what kind of dyel gym do you even go to?

>>76341128
>You see rail thin dweebs lifting 3-4 pl8
that's not an impressive weight, it's actually what i'd expect a <60kg guy to be able to do with some training

>>76353838
>I lift to be better at sex and work
What kind of subhuman has to "lift" to perform such basic human functions? Are you a hypogonadal pajeet? Help me make sense

>>76341497
neither of these are actually impressive unless you're a tiny lightweight manlet i guess then it's somewhat impressive due to being so small

>>76357261
Yeah "some training" lmfao good one

If you're sub 60kg you should be pulling 5 pl8 in 4 months

>>76349550
140kg x 5 is not impressive for a deadlift, i can bench that for like 7-10 based on the day and i'm not even the strongest guy in my local gym

>>76345416
lmfao

>>76354761
>benching 225 for 10 or doing 12 clean pull-ups result in a much better physique and are less likely to injure you
you can do both it's not either or, plus you can snap your shit on any lift if you're a sub 90 iq tard that never learned bracing and simple form

Deadlifting without a PT or coach that knows their shit is the biggest reason for fucked up backs. I just do RDLs and hack squat/high bar for quads instead. 90% of lifters will never compete there is no point deadlifting for them.

>>76350213
So which lifts do you do for those muscle groups?

>>76349761
more like average pencil neck larp playing way too into the "power sharter" meme gives it away

>>76357309
No it isn't. I've never heard a natty getting a hurt back from deadlifts. I did that shit nearly every day for my first 3 years of lifting and never got an injury once and I watched like 1 form video and just did it

>>76357309
>don't deadlift
do rdl
Do you retard not understand an rdl is essentially 90% of your deadlift anyway? What do you think you're saving exactly by opting for rdls? I have done rdl with 300kg. If you're snapping your shit up on deadlifts you'll snap it on rdl too if you actually train it close to failure which im sure your bitch ass is nowhere close to.

>>76340832
The average anything-er is a fucking retard. Thought you'd know that by now lol

>>76340744 (OP)
Post body, that's why.

>>76357322
>I've never heard a natty getting a hurt back from deadlifts.
Loool
>>76357334
>What do you think you're saving exactly by opting for rdls?
When you RDL you only go as far as your mobility allows you to. A conventional deadlift forces you to reach all the way to a bar placed on the floor regardless of your mobility, leading to all kinds of compensatory posture mistakes if your technique is not on point.

>>76357647
literally everybody can reach the bottom of a deadlift, mobility is such a cope out. Go do rack pulls then?

>>76340744 (OP)
>no real benefit
Except a stronger back and juicy erector muscles

>>76357647
Haha what a load of shit. Everyone has the "mobility" to pick a bar up 8 inches off the ground. If you don't you have bigger problems.

>>76358102
Also stronger grip and traps.

Deadlifts are essential for aesthetics. I can always tell when a guy doesn't deadlift. His back isn't thick. Wide maybe but not thick.

>>76340814
Both his reps are bad. He extends knees further than his feet.

>>76353726
Then you should just do high pulls

>>76344094
>hangs
good
>stretches
bad
>ibuprofen/acetaminophen
dabatable
what u need is rest and very very low stress movement like casually swimming in a pool or slow dancing like ttai chi. using perls exteinsion with a chair is good also. after the pain/inflammation subsided you should go back to regular movement by doing mcgill big 3 and slowly going back to training. for this it is too but should always rest first atleast for aeveral days. go immediately into streches and ahit is bad

>>76358837
Why are stretches bad?

>>76343098
lol you're whining this hard at 36 hours? you're looking at months of recovery, if not longer.

>>76358743
And why wouldn't you do both? High pulls are a power movement, you still need to train your strength on more basic movements if you want to actually get stronger on the high pull

>>76341310
>>76341748

Wtf do you mean by knees too forward the mistake was his hips too high. That's exactly how your knees are supposed to be.

>>76340744 (OP)
Deadlifting is a lift which displays absolute strength, it’s not particularly an efficient builder of muscle or strength itself. Every single muscle used is only being worked through a partial range of motion. The primary movers are the lower back and hamstrings because it’s a hip hinge, but everything else is hardly being worked at all.

You don’t need to deadlift to have a strong deadlift. Just squatting and good mornings will enough, and those lifts are far easier to recover from and push volume on. If you have a strong squat, it’s literally impossible not to have a strong deadlift. Squatting will put far more mass on you than the deadlift ever could.

>>76340744 (OP)
the benefit is your back is stronger, which prevents injuries
hundreds of millions of people have chronic back pain, having a stronger back prevents it
>b-but what about the people who hurt themselves deadlifting
lower amount

>>76359385
Speaking from experience?

>>76359909
yes, I don't even have a severe bulge. been dealing with it since early May

>>76359933
Did you have an MRI? Have you tried physical therapy?

>>76357271
>Has to

Never said I have to, I choose to

>Perform basic human function

What I do is not a basic function - I'm a master of the art, because I'm fit.

>Jeet

Unironically a white Northern European with blue eyes, 6'1"

Cope, mulatoid

>>76359828
What the fuck are you talking about? Deadlifting is one of like 4 main exercises I do and my deadlift has gone up from 60kg to 190kg. Of course deadlifting will improve your strength, it makes no sense at all to say otherwise. Also, my squat is dogshit compared to me deadlift.

>>76359938

Yeah I had an MRI, disc herniation but they are saying it's more of a bulge. I don't have severe pain but have really annoying sciatica issues and problems sleeping. PT is the next step

>>76353838
>better at sex and work, and the deadlift in no way factors into either of those
>implying training a hip hinge movement won't make you better at sex
I mean if you're the one being penetrated I guess I understand

>>76361193
Hip hinging is so barely like the actual thrusting you do during sex though. Have you ever had sex? It's absolutely not the same as lifting a barbell up off the floor in one explosive motion, at least not if you're trying to get the girl to cum. It's also by far an endurance and stamina game of hundreds (thousands?) of reps, instead of a set of 5 slow reps and then a 5 minute break. Retard. The best single exercise for sex is 400m sprints because it hits lower body hard and gives good cardio.

>>76341707
>>76341737
>>76341762

>>76360565
just fucking lol

>>76362526
I accept your concession

If you're worried about getting hurt on deadlifts just use a light weight and go perfect form with many reps. Once you cannot maintain perfect form, that is your signal to end your set. You'll still get all the benefits. Deadlifts aren't required to be heavy. Come at me bro.

Serious strength athletes like football all deadlift or something similar

>>76340744 (OP)
> Deadlifts 2x3-5 sets
> Jefferson's Curls 3x8
> Upright Rows 3x8-12.
You don't need more than x2 sets as a non-athlete to get the benefits.

>>76343101
you know when it's a herniated disc

>>76354066
10-15 reps for deadlift is psycho or gearmode. just do double overhand and let your grip be the weakest link

Serious strength athletes like football all use steroids or something similar

>>76360730
He is correct. Deads are good but at some point they become very inefficient fatigue/effect wise when done for volume (and you need volume to build muscle that you need to get stronger). Congrats on not being a pussy and pushing to a 190kg dead but it's still beginner tier. Keep pushing and doing what you're doing but once you stall out start adding volume with easier accessories like gms, stiff legged dl, rdls, etc

>>76363509
I used to regularly do 10+ sets of dl to failure. It's not that hard.

>>76364372
>190kg dead
>beginner tier.
Post body

>>76340778
It's been a week today. My shit's a little better but my shit's still fucked up. Moving to standing from sitting is horrid and rolling in bed is awful.

at some point you realise "it's good because it uses lots of different muscles" is a retarded argument

then you can finally ascend

>>76364416
https://powerlifting-ipl.com/classification-standards/
Master is about the middle of intermediate and is what any natty can hit in 5 years with good coaching and where you start to have to really fuck around.

you know what I've been really liking lately? Snatch grip deadlifts while wearing oly shoes. More upright back, more quad involvement. They feel really comfortable compared to regular deadlifts

>>76340778
Yeah if you're not sure then it's nothing serious. If it was something bad you'd know.

>>76340791
Nah son your assuming the people in this thread use logic. But nah lifting can only be looked at through powerlifting or hypertrophy lenses here. God forbid you just want to keep your back strong as you age.

Ps gtfo jannies and coomers

>>76364473
No, it's good because it uses lots of different muscle HARD.

>>76340791
>Lower back is barely even used and if you're feeling it on light weights your core isn't braced.
you've never deadlifted in your life
>My hamstrings gas out way way before my lats feel sore, both of which occurs before my lower back feels it
you're a lucky outlier

>>76364842
not the other anon but you never posted body.

>>76364457
it's a marathon recovering from shit like this. just give it time, shit super sucks anon

>>76365784
That anon has never deadlifted, but when I started pushing my hips into the bar keeping my shoulders over it instead of straightening up by yanking it back my lower back soreness and stiffness went down a lot. If the lower back arches further when trying to finish the lift you get sore as fuck.