Thread 76365939

I used to do boxing in high school (3 years). I'm now 36. Thinking of starting karate. Which type is good?
Should I do shotakon karate? Or I have an ashihabara karate school right next to my house, it seems the best for me.

(I already did TKD (Taekwondo not Total Kike Death) and Muay Thai and I didn't like it much but ashihabara karate seems cool and more useful from videos)

Before I start, I wanted to get a bit more /fit/, so I lost a lot of weight, got down to 77 kg from 88, I'm 187 cm. Still no visible abs but I think I should be good to go

Do Muay Thai or kickboxing. It's easier to find a gym and actually useful

BJJ is pretty good as well.

>>76365946
I didn't like Muay Thai. And kickboxing has its roots in karate anyway from what I've read.

>>76365964
Nice
What is her martial art?

>>76365977
sex

>>76365939 (OP)
Kyokushin is the only non-meme one with lots of gyms and the least amount of bullshido but it's still a meme compared to kickboxing.
There's this but it's literally just watered down kickboxing, maybe do sambo.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_contact_karate

>>76365960
I'd say kickboxing took things from karate that worked and got rid of all the useless stuff like kata, no punches to the head etc.
But yeah since ashihara karate is basically kyokushin it'll make you very tough so go for it.

>>76365939 (OP)
That thumbnail just looks like a giant cock when you're just scrolling past in the catalog. That is all.

>>76365946
>>76365960
>>76366003
>>76366014
How useful is kickboxing when paired with another martial art? The only real dojo near me is a Hapkido/Kickboxing combo dojo.

>>76366093
Kickboxing on itself is useful but i cant be a judge, maybe it will be more lethal alongside judo or greco roman or plain mma. Avoid bjj.
My kickboxing coach taught us muay thai as well and we had plain boxing technical training a few times, these sports overlap to a certain degree (besides boxing ofc) but there's lots of miniscule details that make the difference unless you're not competing or taking it seriously

>>76365946
>starting jiu jitsu at 36
Enjoy the joint pain after 2 weeks of training

>>76365939 (OP)
why are asian women like this to anything that remotely looks like a white man

>>76366181
Yeah I wasn't gonna do BJJ, I am not even attracted to the idea at all, I like striking. I don't like grabbing some dude's hairy ass to "submit" him, it's super gay

>>76366283
this is accurate and funny

>>76365977
Probably some variant of American Kempo karate. Not bad.

>>76366014
I enjoy kata for cardio, but it is not necessary. Sparring and basics plus roadwork get you there. There is nothing mystical about any martial art. They should teach mechanics and anatomy, and give you ample time to practice in a safe but competitive environment.

>>76366181
Is 21 too old to start?

>>76365964
I find those foot support things gross, this whole thing is gross and I have a foot fetish

>>76366419
i find it hot and i dont have a foot fetish. what now?

>>76365939 (OP)
>>76365977
who is she ?

>>76365939 (OP)
Why didn't you do TKD? The way the world is today is because of your desire to retire early in Argentine.

>>76365939 (OP)
Ashihara karate is extremely underrated, is kyokushin karate with footwork, should definitely train in it.
Shotokan is only useful if you cross train in something with full contact to develop the techniques.
Useful things from shotokan are the blitzing steps, that their shots are nontelegraphed by virtue of karate punching form, the low wide stances are excellent for leg drive and weight shifting and the karate side step, those are all excellent things to add to your arsenal but you don't need to train shotokan to learn them.
Ashihara is more effective because it has the intensity and force of kyokushin but unlike kyokushin that only thinks of exchanging punches by enduring more, ashihara uses a lot of pivots to get angles and strike, it also utilize standing armlocks so it's a way better style to learn.

>>76365939 (OP)
don't worry about karate styles worry about them being mcdojos or not, and that goes not just for karate but also BJJ and kickboxing and sambo and really any combat sport.
>shotakon
lord, that's shotokan - shotacon is a weird sex thing from anime
>ashihabara
ashihara you mean?

my man's got mild dyslexia or something?

>>76366418
no you 21 year old boomer, 21 is not too old for practically anything

>>76365939 (OP)
If you are just doing to waste time and pose, anything is fine. If you want to learn defend your self then Muay Thai with american style boxing from an instructor that knows how to fight for real.

>>76365964
>that adams apple
not fooling me, bro

>>76365939 (OP)
>>76365977
I/she could save/fix her/me.

>>76367356
>I me.
>I she could save
>I fix her
>she could save fix her

>>76367356
>I could save me.
True. Faggot.

>>76365939 (OP)
I'm like 90% sure that you're trolling ("shotakon karate" and "ashihabara"? What's next, "ne-tori style"?), but on the off chance that you're just full of typos:
>shotokan
worthless style, literally designed to keep primary schoolers from learning more dangerous martial arts. Kyokushin was developed to make shotokan somewhat useable, kyokushinkai took it further, but those are still mid-tier at best.

I haven't seen a single karate style outside of asia that would be worth learning. in the western world, if you can't get military training, FMA is the best choice, and traditional kungfu (from schools headquartered in non-communist asia) a far off second. Don't mistake that for chinese kunguf, btw. The commies destroyed the old schools the moment they rose to power, and forced those few teachers that fell in line to teach an "integrated" style that is absolutely useless for everything other than movies. Thei idea was that since martial arts schools had been highly influential, and constantly fighting each other, they'd make them all teach the same thing, encourage students to switch back and forth between schools, and generalyy sabotage any power base the schools might have. It worked, but made them useless in combat.

Protip: If you're considering pseudo-japanese styles, listen to how they count their strikes. If their "4" sounds like "shi", or anything remotely similar, they're a fake mcdojo. It's a weird quirk in Japanese, where most numbers are spoken in Chinese when counting, while only 4 and 7 are spoken in Japanese. Well, not that the Japanese even count their techniques in the first place, as far as I can tell, that's purely a chinese thing.

>>76365939 (OP)
>>76365964
>>76365977
ewwww haha feet

>>76368611
not trolling, I just thought shotakon karate sounded funny

in all seriousness, I'm mostly looking at the ashihara karate school near me, it seems good. this is their page on YouTube, I can't tell from them whether it's bad or not:
https://www.youtube.com/user/katanaskcze/videos

I used to be a karate (and every martial "art") hater when I did boxing but I'm old and I don't want to do something where I get punched in the face. I'm also not interested in competing. Just wanna supplement my old boxing stuff with something new in the arsenal.
I didn't like muay thai because it seemed full of psychos and like it's made for 30 kg small thais. I'm tall.
ashihara karate seems basically like the only reasonable option, and maybe from that eventually graduate to MMA if I become more thirsty for conflict (and if I like it)

Question: I do Muay Thai and BJJ 5 times a week, paired with weight lifting about 6 times a week. My normal BJJ gym doesn't do classes on the weekends, and I was kind wondering if it'd be beneficial to looking into taking up Judo on those off days or if they should just be kept as rest days. I don't really compete or anything, I just enjoy doing it all as a hobby and it helps with staying fit

>>76365939 (OP)
Honestly train wherever has the most convenient practice times for you. And wherever is the most fun for you. That way you actually go to practice. It doesn’t matter what style you choose if you never get in the dojo.

Style min-maxing crap is just internet jerkoff fuel. Just go have fun and work hard.

>>76365939 (OP)
Sauce pls god

>>76369622
same

>>76365939 (OP)
Why is he so red?

>>76367607
Kek

>>76365939 (OP)
Anyone has the part where she hugs the dummy.

>>76369622
>>76370694
I used to have it, she is a Korean chick that had a yoga/pilates channel with a very very small number of views but she purged a lot of her videos as some point.

>>76365939 (OP)
Holy shit OP thanks for posting this, ive been looking for this for like 4 yrs

>>76366283
alot of strikers say that until they get man handled by someone that grapples

>>76365977
women would rather love a tall doll than a short guy

>>76366054
yes

>>76365977

Asian women sure do love to stretch.

>>76365939 (OP)
I just made a meteor hammer and a rope dart to larp as Scorpion. I have done judo, karate, aikido, TKD, MMA on and off throughout the years. I think taking the place closest to your house is the most convenient option.

Is stretching good for you?

>>76366003
Isn't Kyokushin a form of full contact karate? Also, what do you think of Shotokan Karate?
>>76366093
I have never practiced Kick boxing but it just looks like a worse muay thai but it always depends on the practitioner.

>>76366014
>useless stuff like kata
I practice Judo. Kata is like shadowboxing but for grappling, locks, sweeps and throws. I don't know why it isn't used in judo where it can be pressure tested.

>>76365939 (OP)
I like boxing first then mt based kb but still boxing mostly

>>76365939 (OP)
Get pumching bag

>>76371495
Get weights, kickboxing fairies lift baby weight

>>76371499
No get cables, is good for making small muscles beeg

>>76371511
Get asteoids to develop beeger muscles.

>>76371519
Asteroids are make me pussy gay shit faggot and put shit into my ass

does taekwondo actually work in a self defense situation?

>>76371524
>put shit into my ass
That's the squat plug. You need it to get leg gainz.

>>76371543
Over four MMA champions have extensive taekwondo training.
However not one of them "specialized" specifically in it.

If you're a novice fighter, all fighting styles are a waste of time. You'd get way more utility from just starting to get in friendly competitive scraps with people.

>>76371387
stretching her pussy with my dick if you know what I mean
>>76371409
source?

>>76365939 (OP)
>Thinking of starting karate
>I have an ashihabara karate school right next to my house
This is a tricky dilemma
>Before I start, I wanted to get a bit more /fit/
Everyone thinks this but it's wrong and dumb
Just start now
If you try the gym and don't like it, try other martial arts nearby - you might find that you don't like karate, but really like something else, and you won't know that until you try

>>76368966
>an actual good question
I'd say give it a shot, but be mindful of recovery
You might end up enjoying judo more and wanting to focus on that (or maybe periodize, spend a month doing jitz and a month doing judo, or whatever). Judo and bjj really are two sides of the same coin, I sort of think of them as different sports but the same martial art, so even if you try it for a while you're bound to pick up something useful for when you go back to bjj
But recovery is so individual, just need to take care and be mindful of how you feel. Rest days are worth keeping if you can

>>76369091
best post in the thread.

>>76371761
Inferno of Torture (1969)

>>76365939 (OP)
im going to need some high resolution photos of her upper-inner thighs

>>76365977
She's an expert in BWC

women are so fucking gay

Do any anons here do capoeira? I'm less interested in actually knowing how to fight, mostly want to gain a bit more agility and stamina. Would you recommend it?

the joke is sexism

>>76368731
>this is their page on YouTube, I can't tell from them whether it's bad or not
You really can't tell?
I just looked at four of their vids, delierately choosing ones with dark belts (brown, black, red - can't tell on my screen). Starting with what I'd expect you to notice immediately from your boxing experience:
>excessive windup on the punches, no body movement
That means weak punches. A proper straight, even a karate-style one, will break ribs easily. They're doing punches that have the strength of jabs, with the openings of a wide hook.
>bouncy footwork
This is a typical weakness of zero-contact karate and taekwondo. It covers up the start of kicks, making them harder to block, but also massively decreases their strength. More importantly, though, it means that during the kick, they're off the ground. A halfway trained fighter, or just someone who's sufficiently mad, can just rush in, and they'll go down hard. That doesn't even ned technique, you just need to push forward.
Related to this, those guys seem o mostly lack forward drive. There was one vid where a guy actually did push forward, and that was a completely one-sided fight, with the other dude just turtling up after a few seconds - but I'd expect everybody who's cleared for competition to be able to both push forward and deal with pressure. One out of eight is worse than what you'd see in priary school brawls.
>low guard
I know, they don't permit strikes to the head at amateur level (though considering that they're fighting at shinkyokushinkai, they should be permitting them at pro level). Still, it's a bad habit to get into.

contd

>>76368731
>>76372038
contd

Now, the things you might not be aware of, since you don't have full-contact background:
>excessively high kicks
Not the ones to the head, if you have an opening, those can work. However, the short, pushing kicks to the chest are pointless and risky. Normally, they should go to the center of gravity, so just below the navel. Higher than that, and you're bound to be pushed over (if the other guy pushes forward).
>no control of distance
They're constantly getting into a distance where elbows and hooks would be more efficient than straights, yet keep punching straight. They could also end up in a grapple at that range (not sure if shinkyokushinkai rules permit grapples and throws, though - I know kyokushinkai does, at least). Even headbutts would work there.

tl;dr: They set off all the red flags for me, and I'd go as far as to claim that their training will make you a weaker fighter, not stronger.

btw,
>MMA
I would recommend against. It's not as bad as that pseudo-Karate, but if you don't want to compete, a proper martial art will give you safer training, and more useful skills. Like I wrote before, FMA is what I'd go with (Dog brothers, preferably - They have quite a presence in your country afaik), or just go straight to paramilitary training. In Czech republic, there should be plenty available.

>>76371871
Thanks my man

>>76365977
>>76365939 (OP)
THIS SHOULD BE ME

>>76365977
What's her problem.

>>76372336
Latinas and Asians are the proper route.

>>76371387
is that a k-hole?

>>76365977
Asian martial arts (karate, judo, tkd, even muay thai) have the cutest girls is unreal, is not even because she is asian, there's something about these styles that make the girls so attractive, like they are fit and skilled but keep their feminity.
Bjj, wrestling and mma dykes are so hideous in comparation, not only they are ugly, even their bodies that can be hot thanks to regular training gets destroyed by steroid use.

>>76373023
>latinas
The paradox ethnicity: as they get older, they lose their asses. Just look at any older latina woman in day to day life, they have zero ass. The mass is all in their shoulders and bellies.

>>76373023
Got me an asian woman for a year now. The sex is out of this world man.

>>76373194
Nice, how did you bag her?

>>76371543
>the middle one

>>76371543
yeah this move will be very useful if some guy tries to rape you

>>76372038
>>76372056
thanks anon, I appreciate you taking the time to write that
I will think about it more

>>76373160
I met a girl in Seoul who looked like a model, asked her out for a drink... then she told me she is competing in TKD and works as security in a Hilton, quite funny... she looked like a kpop singer or something
(I didn't get her in the end, unfortunately)
but you're right, most girls in the "arts" are cute where most girls in the martial "sports" are usually too manly. makes sense

>>76371780
Good advice thnk you

>>76371067
you mean like, in a real fight? nobody's gonna let you do that shit without smashing your face in, you faggot

>>76371898
Is this the shotakon karate OP was asking about?

>>76365977
White boys no jutsu

>>76373545
This frogman knows

>>76371435
Judo kata is fine because its just meant to show the principles behind techniques. It's also paired rather than solo kata which works way better for the original point of kata (transmitting techniques when the average practitioner is an illiterate rice farmer). Karate nerds who don't just do full contact where the kata is a formality have to do "bunkai" (applications) for it lmao.

>>76365939 (OP)
Style doesn't matter just find a good dojo with full contact sparring.

>>76365939 (OP)
damn she would beat me with that one move

>>76371067
ill take things a faggot would say for 500 bob

>>76373576
itll keep her alive, probably. the more they struggle the more likely they are to be murdered

>>76376023
you sound like someone that has never been in a real fight

>>76365939 (OP)
Kudo is great and probably as close to full contact self defence as possible. MMA with headbutts on top, and groundwork is limited so you don't have the shitty floor crawling aspect of mma. One-two a guy, use it to get a grab, headbutt him to unbalance, throw, mark punches to the head, get up.

That said kudo is impossible to find.

>>76376899
actually I have kudo also near my house, the guy teaching it used to be the president's bodyguard (at least says so on the website)
but kudo seems a bit lame to me, with the armor and everything... I watched some videos and didn't really feel it
https://www.kudo.cz/

>>76376969
Go try it out. Helmets are good because it allows for less padding and harder strikes to the head. Main thing is it combines striking and grappling - MMA is too meta now, while kudo is obscure and so the self-defence part is not lost to competition meta. It's fucking impossible to find something else that combines useful striking with useful grappling.

>>76376988
but doesn't it feel weird when you don't have the armor/helmet on? I can imagine it fucks with your range perception if you get in a street fight
on paper it does sound good though, it was the one other thing besides the ashihara karate class I was checking out

>>76371543
this move would definitely work on me because I'd be distracted sniffing her foot while she runs away

>>76377030
Ask someone there to spar without a helmet. Boxing is still gonna be the best striking MA, use kudo to plug the holes.

>>76377030
Fucking animals

>>76371387
>when he has a credit score of 203, no job, can'y drive, smokes two packs a day, has two children with two other women, is on parole for a felony assault conviction, and is 6'3"

Was thinking about taking up boxing and folkstyle wrestling. Is this a good idea or will I job to bjj + muay thai guys?

>>76376023
>nobody's gonna let you do that shit without smashing your face in
Consider the following: the opposite happens. Also post body.

>>76378397
Depends on the guy you are fighting with. But you will be certainly better than 90% of the people if you train semi-regularly.

Also I was "warned" for "ironic shitposting". What kind of shit is that? Since when does 4chan care about post quality

>>76378452
Tariffs are causing shortages of estrogen so jannies are probably having dysphoria induced meltdowns rn.
Ok hell yeah. I feel like njj + muay thai guys also don't have great physiques, whereas boxers and wrestlers usually look like greek gods. that's a huge component of it for me too. come ot think of it, why are most MMA guys not that impressive aesthetically while boxers/ wrestlers have such good physiques?

>>76378397
there isn't anything special about bjj, it's all marketing hype
it's genuinely the worst possible base you could choose as a martial art, all the ways it's wrong in the assumptions it makes about the nature of grappling and training practices are too numerous to even go into here

a true master of martial arts is a master of all styles but a master of none at the same time.

>>76371543
>does taekwondo actually work in a self defense situation?
Ask the Vietcong. Answer is yes, very.

>>76379454
>None of the arts mentioned is older than the 1850s
Makes you think, really. We don't have combat arts anymore, just sports.

>>76378397
The only useful parts of MT are leg blocks. Throws from clinch are kinda good but it's just shitty greco/judo. Kicks are useless against someone who knows how to block, they account for a minuscule percentage of KOs in MMA. Knees are just useless. Elbows are kinda ok sometimes.

>remains undefeated
Take the elbowpill

>>76377030
why was that guy just sitting there surrounded by niggers?

>>76378397
Judo/wrestling+Thai/boxe, bjj is mostly a waste of time leave it for last if you really want to learn it.

https://youtu.be/A6d3Gj6Ie5k
how to legally beat up a Jew

>>76378677
heavyweight boxers look like shit though
I'm not sure if they look better than MMA fighters (haven't noticed) but it would be explained by the upper body focus (more v-shape)
I had good shoulders and serratus when boxing

>>76380544
he relaxed

>>76381251
Both DYELS disgusting video

>>76372996
Lonely.

>>76377030
Kek at that webm. Dumbass whyte pepo.

>>76380544
Because he’s a libtard.

Hey I'm a fuckin old ass millennial but I finally have both the time and the money to afford classes so my martial arts journey starts tonight, wish me luck

>>76381595
which one did you choose anon?

Thoughts on capoeira? Those knockouts look fucking insane
https://youtu.be/5jKNV2nyorY
Probably risky to land though, like TKD. High risk high reward

>>76366014
>useless stuff like kata
Kata is not useless, but mcdojos make it look useless because they don't use it correctly and seem to approach it like a dance routine. It is a tool to understand a technique in a systematic way, and I believe that paired kata followed by simulated resistance practice followed by sparring is a good way to learn.

>>76381431
Same.

>>76382340
if you reject the IP method for motor learning (which I do) then there's no place for kata, it doesn't do anything towards attuning affordances
it may even be a hinderance as it'll develop strong attractor states not relevant to the environment

>>76380380
>Throws from clinch are kinda good but it's just shitty greco/judo.
Muay style clinching may not seem that useful in general because they need to maintain an upright posture because of the scoring rules, but there's still a lot of control involved. A wrestleling/judo/bjj guy with lots of stand-up experince won't be able to escape a muay clinch specialist, because he'll have broken ribs and a sliced up face within 5 seconds. Wrestlers/judo/bjj guys don't train to defend against elbows and knees in standup grappling. But it's one of those situations where if that advantage isn't capitalised immediately then it's over for the muay clincher.

>Kicks are useless against someone who knows how to block
Even if someone knows how to block, it still hurts. A hard kick to an arm block can break the arm.

>Knees are just useless
Only takes a single clean knee to the body in a clinch and the other person is down for the count.

>Elbows are kinda ok sometimes
Elbows are peak for close range striking

>>76382658
Kata are just little scenarios that showcase ideas. Kata is for understanding the concepts therein, demonstrating you understand the concepts therein, and then being able to teach the concepts therein. But it is not the same as performing or practicing the techniques in them, so muscle memory or whatever doesn't even really factor in. It's just a systematized method of learning, and I'm not claiming it's the best or most efficient way, but it works and has been for a long time. The traditional aspects of certain schools is part of the draw for some, so it's just a preference thing in the end. The only people I will question are those who never do opposed training or don't allow competition.

>>76383087
If you want to punch and kick the air then be my guest, but this isn't something that should be done during class time
That's a solo activity you can do as much as you want by yourself, but when you have living breathing human training partners in the room with you you're squandering that time if you do solo activities
Class time should be spent doing live work you can't do otherwise

>>76365939 (OP)
Just go Kudo, its great.

>>76383087
Wrong, kata is as a sifu once said on a karate by jesse:
> 1#: Large circle is the cultivation or the greater understanding of the body mechanics when you do it in a flashy way.
> #2: The smaller circle which large circle is condensed into is more of the fighting techniques being sparred where you do a study on the form as in you speed up and tighten up the moves, forget flashy.
> #3: To a small point: You boil it down to rapid movement patterns that are useful and actual combat techniques, that's the whole point of "cultivating" techniques through Kata.
If I may add:
> Getting comfortable with technique because technique is not natural to human violence throwing big hooks and tackling someone on and dragging them to the ground and then smashing their heads against the ground either with fists or bashing their head in are natural ways for humans to fight each other when enraged, not technique found in martial arts, even biting is more natural.

>>76365939 (OP)
she can do that while inserting my penis inside her vagina if you know what I mean

>>76372996
She's upset that I haven't found her yet.

>>76383504
the main critique I heard about kudo is that the helmet makes you feel immortal
so, 2 things:
1) you become retarded and reckless, which if you get used to that, is suicide in street fighting
2) head trauma risk is maybe even worse than boxing because the helmet gives you illusion of safety, so you don't protect the head as you would without the helmet, you go all in all the time

>>76382973
Yeah all that totally happens in MMA because thai shit is totally not useless.

>>76384256
Retarded critique. Just protect your head like the helmet isn't there.

>>76384324
but if you know your head is protected, you are incentivized to spend less time on defense and more time on offense
if you turtle, your opponent will just kamikaze at you constantly since he doesn't have to defend his head

>>76383593
based iykwim poster