>Who is /fat/ for?
For the eager eaters working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.
Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/

>What do I do first?
1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/
2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy
3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.
4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php
5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).

>Now what?
Count calories, all of them.
Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.
Buy scales, be accurate.
Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.
Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.
Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.
Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. Not lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.
Drink more water.
Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

>DON'T
Eat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.
Eat processed foods.
Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, Starbucks).
Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks.
"Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.

>Other resources:
Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/
Reddit Wiki: https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/faq

Previous thread: >>76370574

How are normies happy with such slow weightloss. If I don't see atleast 2lbs a week I feel like im going to give up. But normies see like 0.5lb or less and are happy.

>>76374777
checked. I'm losing about 1 lb per week and I'm cool with it. Doing intermittent fasting which seems to be working.

Is it okay to eat a grilled cheese sandwich? 120 calories for the bread and 220 for the cheese, seems pretty decent for a lunch or a dinner. also i made scrambled eggs and bacon earlier and it was like 580 calories for 6 eggs and 4 slices of bacon, this is wild

Learn2cook

>>76374777
I'm am officially starting again today. I used to get 2-3lbs a week pretty consistently, then slowly just ground to a halt where now I've put back on about 1lb a for the past few months. Once I hit my goal of sub 220, I sort of just lost my way.

>>76374790
No, bread is slop. Make eggs and cheese.

>>76374777
>why are stupid people happy

I couldn't possibly think of a reason

someting about uhhh ummmm ignorance and a blitz? blizzard?

>>76374764 (OP)
any way to beat the cravings?
it's a mix between wanting something sweet or salty, to pangs mid day and evening of just hunger and wanting something filling

>>76374790
that's zero protein
just fat and carbs
you might as well eat a donut

>>76374817
Eat 1 serving of salty/sweet thing plus something else healthy to pair with it. Set a timer for 30 mins after eating it. Shouldnt be hungry after that.

>>76374817
>salty,
iodized salt

>>76374821
where do you see zero protein?

Fatty Contest
FatWizard
109.4kg
179cm
Starting weight as of yesterday.

>>76374817
Most find it disgusting but I drink unflavored electrolytes.

>>76374828
>bread
carbs
>cheese
fat
>404 not found
protein

>>76374821
i can have protein in other meals though i like making chicken

wife bought ice cream bars again

>>76374839
Kill her

>finally get off my couch and lift for the first time in 3 months
>already dreading DOMS

>>76374834
and please do enlighten me on what cheese is made out of
>>76374845
doms are fun stop being a pussy

>>76374777
>all or nothing mentality
NGMI

>>76374817
Potatos, cut into slices, air fried, salt and pepper and Worcester sauce. Thank me later.

>>76374836
well you can lose weight on whatever with CICO
but if you're asking if it's a good weight loss meal, then no
>>76374846
>being this pedantic

>>76374846
>what cheese is made out of
i think the point is it's more a fat source than protein source

>>76374849
>potatoes
carbfag pls leave

>Eating some popeyes fried chicken
>holy shit this is delicious
>get to the chicken breast
>oh my god this is so good
>get through the breading and skin
>start eating the white meat
>wtf this is dry as shit I want to go back to the thighs
you fat fucks actually eat chicken breast? how sad

>>76374858
I fucking love thighs, breast fags confuse me

>>76374852
so what is it made out of oh great sage
and it's not pedantism
>>76374853
I think when you write something about something then that is your point not what someone makes up as an excue for your stupidity

>>76374858
>it's overcooked chicken
>omg how do you eat this?

>>76374864
Has anyone diagnosed you for autism yet?

>>76374870
Has anyone diagnosed you for retardation yet?

tomorrow morning is my weigh-in day, i only ate over 1500 once this week and that was all the way back on monday, feelsgoodman

>>76374867
>overcooked
chicken breast is always dry and tastes like shit unless you slow roast it (which takes forever) or drown it in sauce
it's a shit tier cut and the only reason it's popular is because midwit health nuts think fat = bad

>>76374858
>>76374884
you've never had properly cooked juicy chicken breasts
sad

>>76374887
>you've never had properly cooked juicy chicken breasts
>sad

>>76374884
Did your whore of a mother never learn how to cook?

>>76374884
american cooking
lol

This week was pretty good, I'm 94% sure I ate under my TDEE at the very least all days, most days I ate under my goal. I slipped up a couple of times, had Pizza Hut at one point and food from a Mexican grill but I noted both in MFP and I don't believe I overdid it either time. Today was good too because I don't seem to have any cravings right now and I'm still <1000 calories. Might have oatmeal or something for dinner though.

I'll re-enter the fatty contest again tomorrow morning no matter what the scale says. It's good to be back /fat/

t. Suomixar

>>76374817
Electrolyte mixes with just a little bit of sweetness mixed in and sipped throughout the day

20k steps and it's barely lunchtime, which I'm skipping.
Hoping to do a protein-rich OMAD and average 15k steps a day. Off to a flying start.

>>76374973
>94% sure
>slipped up
>a couple of times
>don't believe
>seem to
>might

I'm seeing a lot of talking but not stats
what was the damn scale saying a week ago and today

>>76374975
>bro just ruin your teeth bro

>>76374983
>hoping
you need a plan not hope

>>76374845
I will have to face this later in the week. I was going gym 3 times a week, then 2, then 1 and then now havent been in 4 weeks. Its actually really hard to go back, like going again for the first time all over again. The mind is fukt.

>>76374984
Well that is my plan.
OMAD PSMF and 15k steps/day.

>>76374984
Well the scale at the doctor said 551 and that's while I was wearing clothes, I don't know if they took the clothes out of the number. My scale at home said 556 while I was naked. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

>>76374995
better
good luck
>>76374996
it said what now?
you're morbidly obease and you eat fucking pizza hut?

This week I've paused eating for like 48 hours straight; my body felt amazing compared to how bloated it was feeling all the time, especially, it was amazing while sleeping.

1. But, the thing is, it also felt like my body was yearning for that usual chaos and suffering, chaos of stuffing myself with food and all the shitty feelings that come afterwards. This may sound bs, but it's a real feeling. It's like I get anxious when I do the right thing, being decent, being on the right track gives me anxiety, I'm almost afraid of losing weight, my mind wants the suffering and chaos of being obese.

2. And I've discouraged myself saying "I can't continue doing this on a daily basis ANYWAY.", because it's true, I've tried losing weight so many times and all failed. I know what's gonna happen again, so, I don't even want to try knowing it won't last more than a couple of days.

>>76374777
I think it's because these threads only work with reverse survivorship bias.
People that reach their target fast won't stay here to post about it. The ones that stay are repeat offenders and those struggling to make progress.
I think if you can lose weight faster it's always better.

>>76374991
just give in and do it, it'll hurt i cant lie im already feeling the pain but if you can build a good consistency after it'll be worth it

>>76375003
>you're morbidly obease and you eat fucking pizza hut?
at his weight he can just do portion control and lose a ton of weight lol

>>76375024
>I think if you can lose weight faster it's always better.
nope it seems that way but a lot of people here are fat for a reason, if they don't make major dietary habit changes they will relapse, hell even people who do makes these changes end up relapsing unfortunately so the ones just crash dieting have got no hope

>>76375034
I don't see how you learn less about diet changes when you go faster.

If anything going slow means you can compensate more with portion control when the main issue is usually the type of food you consume.
I've seen too many people here say stuff like.
>I've binged on fast food 3 times a week but it's fine because I calculated my TDEE and I'm still within limits

>>76374884
we have a cooklet over here, boys
this mongoloid can't even cook a chicken breast properly

>>76374777
I’m also lifting weights and running. Slow weight loss is tolerable as long as my run times are going down and my lifts are going up.

11kg to go until bmi 22, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel

>>76374764 (OP)
Fat girl flirted with me and asked for my instagram. How fit do I need to become to ensure this doesnt happen again?

>>76374879
that's good anon, keep it up, but why weigh in on one day only? couldn't water weight mess it up

>>76374777
I assume normalfags d9n't need to lose 100+ lb of fat.

>>76375140
you can never become fit enough to escape the fat girl curse, as long as other fit people keep dating fat women they will keep coming up to others and trying

>>76375158
but if u weight urself on the same day each week and under the same conditions each time then shouldnt it be fine?
i heard weighing urself more than once a week is bad

Fatty Contest
Name: Dzonathan Gavert
Weight: 120.7 kg

Overall progress:
https://tinylink.net/1Jdoy

Motivational Song of the Day:
https://youtu.be/smD-84MoOSE?si=4aP_A7qVk09rvonj

So this is the dreaded plateau...

>>76375191
thats 266 pounds for the normal ppl

>>76375167
Yah I’ve always thought this was stupid advice. So I think the idea is that if you only weigh in once per week, you’re more likely to have a monotonic decreasing curve, whereas if you weigh in every day, it will bounce around a bit, but you can still see progress. Here are my questions though: (1) are people really that freaked out if their weight bounces around? (2) if my water weight fluctuates a lot, and my mean absolute deviation over the course of the week is greater than my weight loss, can’t I still bounce around measuring weekly (trick question, you can, I’ve tried). So what’s the point?

>>76375161
Honestly I find this unacceptable

>>76375167
>i heard weighing urself more than once a week is bad
its bad if you make it bad.
Some people thrive seeing the scale tell them stories when their weight goes up and down. Some people lose their shit and give up.
If you can see the scale jump up 4 pounds and not be okay with that then you should be weighing yourself daily so you can adjust habits.

>>76375240
*and not freak out
it's late.

>>76375202
>are people really that freaked out if their weight bounces around?
Yes. Discouragement is one of the main things you are fighting trying to change your lifestyle and escape being fat. When you do the right things and see weight go up its pretty discouraging.

Personally I weighing every day is psychologically taxing but more than that, I find myself "cheating" and doing shit like specifically to sweat off water weight when I fuck up my eating because I dont want to see number go up. Even if its just manipulating the scale. It can get very bad

I weigh once a week, and just round to the nearest kg since my scale is hard to read

125cals for 250g of potato. Cant go too wrong.

>>76374858
While I prefer thighs too, breasts aren't bad if you don't overcook them. And yeah if the breast is dry you've overcooked it, which is really easy to do.

Breasts have much better macros so I tend to go for them lately, when I had more calories to spend I was on thighs, but had to move over to breasts as I got closer to my goal weight.

>>76375191
>120 kg
>TDEE: 3777
you sure about that..?

>>76375432
I miss when I was 300lbs and had a TDEE in the 3000s....

Got to eat my usual chicken and broccoli meal, with a huge strawberry and banana smoothie, and potato wedges on the side and still lose 2lbs a week.

>tfw 500cal below my tdee
>tfw 3 days sober and getting cravings
Swear to god.

Lost 4lbs last week
I love actual progress

>>76375326
Marinate ur breasts in some greek yogurt, tender and nice

>>76374817
Nicotine patches

>>76375676
>Marinate
Waste of time, does nothing, just drizzle it on at the end for the same result.

>>76375687
>he can't marinate shit properly
hahahahaha marinatelet

>>76375638
>Lost 4lbs last week
how big is u

>>76375696
You fell for the marination meme, sorry you had to learn that here, but its a complete waste of time.

>>76375701
194lbs now

>>76375711
learn how to make your marinade, dipshit.

>>76375716
Its actually really easy, just cook your food normally and put your 'marinade' on at the end. Does the same thing as marination without wasting your time.

>>76375735
because you can't make a proper marinade worth shit, cooklet.
Maybe kids cuisine is more your speed.

>>76375712
Did you fast the whole week or just exercise like mad?

>>76375746
Don't take it out on me just because you fell for the marination meme. You only have yourself to blame for being so gullible.

>>76375326
White meat will simply never be as good as dark meat, but sous vide chicken breast is second only to frying in oil.

>>76375759
If you make it properly and not just doused your meat in oil, then it penetrates the meat the whole way.
I've done it before and it works. Using dye wont tell you shit, because flavor and spices arent dyes.

>>76375771
As always its easier to fool a man, than it is to inform him he's been fooled.

Its okay Anon, falling for the marination meme isn't that big of a deal, lots of people have been tricked into thinking they do something before you and plenty will continue to be tricked after you are gone.

>>76375746
>Maybe kids cuisine is more your speed.
Based. I order kids meals at restaurants and cafes too because its usually an adult portion but half the price.

>>76375752
I did 3x 5k runs and ate a defecit.
My diet could have been better desu, I won't get away with drinking beers every week.

>>76375759
What if you injected it?

>>76374764 (OP)
Fatty Contest
ReodorFelgen
81.9kg

Rate my progress. I've been going pretty hard at it. (Yes, I seriously need to pack on some muscle)
As of today I have 3 weeks of summer vacation, and for that duration I plan to not worry about calories or anything. Going to try to not go completely crazy, but I will let loose a bit and assess the damage later.
Then after that it's nose to the grindstone again.

>>76375807
Great work anon
Don't throw it away now

>>76375807
You can certainly see a difference around the upper arms and stomach. Nice work.

>>76375816
>>76375818
Thanks guys. I will not throw it away.
WAGMI

>>76375518
I'm 150kg and my TDEE is 2800 kcal. I know this is accurate because I have lost almost exactly the predicted amount for my deficit. It's very easy to overestimate TDEE if you include physical activity.

I've been on a deficit diet for 3 months already, everything is going good.
I've read that sometimes it's good to stop the deficit and eat your maintenance kcals for a week, then continue the deficit, or your body will weaken/slow down progression
is this true?

>>76375807
Excellent work!

>>76375851
It might be good for your sanity, but don't personify your body too much.

>>76375851
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qGnvECQFqs&t=3701s

Any way to set specific chronometer calorie goal. I tried looking to set at 1500 calories a day but it just doesnt fucking work. I cant find the option where to set it. Its like its some fixed bullshit. Tried loseit and it works well except for the fact that i have to manually input every fucking item because noone uses this fucking app

>>76375851
There's no physical mechanism where this happens, depending on the individual you might do better this way, but it's all mental. Personally, I find the opposite is true. Once I get going it's easier to keep the momentum, if I'm full of food and bloated with water and know I'm not gonna see any progress on the scale I'm way more likely to say fuck it.

>>76375888
My cap is 1500 a day and im down 42 lbs, what do you mean it doesn't work?

>>76375918
I think he means he doesn't know how to set 1500 as his cap.

Back on the grind

>>76374764 (OP)
Lose some weight by not being a religious glutton, in assuming you're supposed to interpret everything as physical and tangible food.
>Matthew 4:4
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
>John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
>John 5:24
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my WORD, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
>John 8:30
"As he spake these WORDS, many believed on him."

Fatty Contest
justaguy
110.5 kg

Visited family over the weekend and as a result I didn't lose any more weight over 3 days, but I still feel like I did okay. We went out to eat together twice and I managed to participate without having to do some diet autism, the only thing I fucked up was the drinks, it felt shit to order a water when it cost the same as anything else non alcoholic, so I got a homemade ice tea instead and it was disgustingly sweet, they must have added a ton of sugar (plus I think I'm not as used to sweet drinks at this point). A lot of sugar and it didn't even taste great (because too sweet) plus regret over the macros, I should have just gotten the water or something.
I'm hoping (coping) that I'll lose a bit more the next few days since I'm usually doing low carb, so maybe all the carbs from the rice and sugar mean I've gained some water weight, because in pure kcals it should still have been below maintenance, but maybe I just fucked up counting since ordered dishes are always hard to ballpark. Anyways family time was nice and I didn't gain weight at least, wagmi anons.

>>76375432
I work everyday at a Fresh Food Distribution Centre which involves going 3km/h for 7 hours in 1 degree celsius while constantly squatting/bending to put food into cages.Only time this isn't the case is if I have to go loading in which case I ride around a LLOP

Would you clasify that as x 1.725?

Hey guys, can you please share your body fat and muscle percentage that you get from a smart scale?
Because the one I have consistently gives me 30+% fat and 25% muscle. I'm concerned because that's something like a morbidly obese 120kg man would get but I'm only 80kg. ChatGPT said very elderly men will have less than 31% muscle and that's like the diagnosis for sarcopenia.
I also gained around 2kg of pure fat from 1 week going to the gym, that would be over 2000 excess calories a day, I barely eat that much in total.
Is my scale wrong (and how to fix it) or is ChatGPT wrong and these numbers are normal or is my body completely fucked?

Sorry for the following blogpost.
I went from 165kg in mid october last year to 136kg by mid Jan. The doctor I saw was happy with all the blood tests showing normal liver ALT's (the reason I had a wake up call to stop being so fucking fat) but told me to lose the rest gradually because I had done well over the 10% body weight rapid loss they want to see to improve a chronic situation in the short term.

So for the last 6 months I have been doing between 1500-1800 calories, tracking everything even cooking spray oil on one of those little spice scales, aiming for 150g protein and letting the rest fall as it may in terms of macro balance while avoiding sugar/high levels of saturated fat.
Only today am I finally cracking 120kg, thats pretty much 6 months for another 16kg of weight loss, walking 10k~12k steps a day and doing a simple dumbbell workout 2-3 times a week.

Pretty sure my tdee estimation on my tracker is completely fucked too, I kept it at sedentary and never include any of the exercise I do and it still tells me I should have a TDEE of around 2700 which should be a 1200 deficit (not counting the extra exercise) but the weight loss simply doesn't reflect that.
My cope is some muscle recomp or water retention covering up more fat loss but I am starting to think the 30kg of fat lost by fasting at the start (and on a previous weight loss attempt I bought into the low carb/fasting meme for far too long) has done a number on my metabolism and my tdee is actually in the 1800-2000 range.
Not really sure how to fix it, considering going to the gym to start actually lifting seriously but I am not sure how effective that will be when eating in an aggressive deficit.

>>76375964
Just keep an eye on it, and if you are not losing weight at the rate you expect, then it is likely that you are overestimating your TDEE.

Good morning, frens. Stay Strong (Day 2)

>>76375967
How'd you lose 30 kg in 3 months?

> Only today am I finally cracking 120kg, thats pretty much 6 months for another 16kg of weight loss, walking 10k~12k steps a day and doing a simple dumbbell workout 2-3 times a week.
yeah thats weird. I think maybe you overdid it with the walking and weight training. get a blood test and check your t3, t4 and TSH, if you are tsh is above 2, definitely if it is above 3 you are going to have a hard time losing weight, not impossible.

> Not really sure how to fix it, considering going to the gym to start actually lifting seriously but I am not sure how effective that will be when eating in an aggressive deficit.
the fix is to do reverse dieting. basically you eat 100 calories more each day, and increase it by 100 every week. when you start gaining weight you increase it by 50 cals.

hows your sleep btw? and are you losing hair or anything?

>take GLP-1
>HbA1c, cholesterol, blood pressure, BMI goes down
>get life insurance
>get a good price because the insurer thinks you have good health
>regain weight after a few months, die early, cause massive losses to the insurer
reminder that if GLP-1 worked in the long term, insurers wouldn't be freaking about it
https://www.glp1digest.com/p/how-glp-1s-are-breaking-life-insurance

>>76376087
on a side note, if you need to get life insurance, don't tell the insurer that you are taking GLP-1s

>>76376075
>How'd you lose 30 kg in 3 months?
Motivated by pure panic at high ALT's I just made up a electrolyte drink with salts and fasted for days at a time, when I wasn't fasting I was eating 800 calories of mostly protein then going back to fasting. On reflection it was probably an overreaction but it did drop all those markers down to the high end of normal quickly so I'm torn.
>Check your TSH
It was very high at the start of my weight loss, 10.8. They thought I was hypothyroid like my dad. Did loads of tests. Just like the liver markers though it had gone down after the intial 30kg loss, to 2.8 when they last checked and they discharged me from the thyroid clinic to have checks every 6 months to see if I end up going hypothyroid or not, other thyroid levels are normal.
>How's your sleep?
Much better since I started walking and lifting, I get up at 8am every day usually asleep by midnight or shortly after, no hair loss.

Good call on the reverse dieting, I may have to do something like that even though I am reluctant to slow the weight loss down for any period of time.

>>76376114
it sounds like you are alright man. just reverse diet, its not really negotiable but you do you

>>76376118
Thanks man, I will try it. It makes sense and I can't restrict much more than I already am doing long term so it does seem like the only option.

>>76375966
>smart scale
into the trash it goes

>>76375966
https://desuarchive.org/fit/search/text/clandestineCalamity/filter/text/

Fatty Contest
BetterNateThanLever
225.9 lbs

>>76375964
Get a heart rate tracker, the chest stap kind are the most accurate, wear it while you work, calculate your TDEE as sedentary then add what the tracker says you burned.

Some tracker tend to overestimate what you burn, especially smart watches, so you might need to cut what it claims you lost in half. Either way its more accurate than the the activity adjustments on TDEE calculators and it'll adjust for days you're less active without realizing.

Plateaus can last up to three weeks, r-right bros?

>>76376454
they can if you are working out hard.

Only 15 more weeks of this to go.

Am I dumb or is it kind of hard to get enough protein while cutting? One scoop alone is almost 200 calories, and I need at least 2 during the day? Do you guys still have protein shakes while cutting or not?

>>76376479
the funny part is that most of that protein you're overeating is just going to get turned to glucose

>>76376479
You're dumb. It's very easy to eat/drink protein and keep your calories low.
My powder is 90 cal per serving.

>>76376479
Chicken breast you stupid nigger

>start around 400lbs and down to 230lbs after a year
>did calorie counting and walking/jogging almost daily
>weight loss has stalled for the last few weeks
I met with a personal trainer at my gym who told me that I'm at the point where I should be doing resistance training and that cardio would be way slower at the point I am.
So now I decided to switch focus to resistance training to see how it works out. I'm now trying to eat 80 grams of protein per day. Only problem is that I haven't been able to work out in a few days because I'm still in pain from doing a bunch of squats.
Should I wait until the soreness is gone to work out again? I'm still doing dumbbells, but the pain from squatting was so much that I could hardly sit.

>>76376479
get a better powder. You can get that down to 110. I limit my shakes for diversity reasons otherwise it would be eggs and shakes for me every day.

I struggle with the protein stuff constantly. I just bought a bunch of greek yogurt on sale and I never tried the brand before. I shouldn't have assumed the macros were fine. 90 calories for 12g of protein is shit. I can handle the calories, but still pretty angry.

>>76376494
>>76376517
Well shit I guess I need to get a different brand. The Six-star whey I got has 180cals per scoop, almost double what you guys have.

Do you still all follow the exercise portion of the /fit/ sticky? I'm following starting strength and I'm about 4 weeks in and I feel like I'm not doing enough. This is mainly because I feel like I should be doing more than just the gym 3 times a day. I have been targeting weight loss and my waistline has begun shrinking again, but I don't know when I should concern myself with doing more.

>>76376527
Isn't Six Star like the absolute worst brand for that stuff?

>>76376513
if it's soreness then you should warmup and it will usually go away
if it's sharp pain then something is wrong
I recommend supplementing L-Citrulline if it's actually hindering your motivation to workout

>>76376454
They can but 95% of the time you're just eating too much, even when you think you aren't. Start from square one, recalculate your TDEE, weigh, measure, and log everything, if you still arent losing weight then maybe you're retaining water, but that is comparatively rare, you are far more likely just cheating somewhere without realizing.

>>76376532
It's cost effective, but yes.

>>76376479
I get most of my protein from real food like chicken breast and greek yogurt. I only use powder as a last resort.

>>76376539
>if it's actually hindering your motivation to workout
It's not a motivation issue. I'm more pumped up about working out than ever now that I have a new goal and method. It's just caution since the pain was THAT bad. The only thing I've done is run, so I guess I was overdue for leg muscle exercise.
>if it's soreness then you should warmup and it will usually go away
if it's sharp pain then something is wrong
Yeah, I'm due to workout today. I'll see if my upper thighs feel okay after I jog a few miles. After that I'll try squats again. I figure the more I do it, the less it will hurt in time.
As for the pain, it's just the typical soreness type of pain. But it was so bad that it even woke me up in the second day after my workout. I guess it's because I went from 0 squats to around 50 in one exercise.

>>76376517
>90 calories for 12g of protein is shit
It really isn't though. Like sure, it could be much better, but it's not bad as far as dairy goes.

>>76376530
the body takes 3 days to repair muscle after your workouts, so 3 times a week should be plenty unless you're doing some bro split or on roids.
if you want to do more you should increase your volume and accessory work.

Cronometer is saying I'm only eating like half of my weekly required fiber, calcium and potassium. What foods should I be eating more of? Preferably something low-calorie and ideally something high-rotein.

>>76376595
I use MyProtein - one of the few powders that doesn't giga thicken the shake
But I'll just eat real food and have the shakes as a backup source if I find myself struggling to eat as much protein as I need to.

>>76376627
kale

>>76376532
It's cheap......

>>76375938
I usually opt for the unsweetened ice tea. Most places have it.

>>76376479
I don't consume protein powder and I get enough protein easily

I eat food

>>76376648
They didn't have it on the menu, but in retrospect I should at least have asked. Shame because the flavors once you put the sweetness aside were quite nice.

>>76376685
Cease.

Fatty Contest
Suomixar
545.6 lbs

>>76376759
>100lbs up from last weigh in
What thr fuck

>>76374777
Are normies actually happy with .5 lb a week? at ~2 pounds a week I'm still looking at almost 5 months till I look good (I have 36 pound left to lose). If I tried to lose at .5 a week like a retard I'm gonna be suffering in calorie deprived silence for a year and a half. That's retarded.

>>76376759
epic, I thought you died

>>76376759
what do you eat in a day?

>>76374790
Grilled cheese is gay.

If you want, do the ezekiel bread with 3 eggs and then some american cheese and make a sandwhich. The macros on that are pretty good. I used to eat it every morning.

2 slices ezekiel bread: 160 cals, 10g protein
3 eggs: 210 cals, 18g protein
2 slices american cheese: 120 cals, 8g protein

490 cals, 36g protein.

>>76374817
For salty, I just eat my meals and add extra salt and extra virgin olive oil. For sweet, I stuff my face with as much watermelon as I want.

>>76374843
kek

>>76374848
~2 lb a week is very reasonable.

>>76376766
If you want to speed things up get food poisoning. That’s how I got skinny. I ate some poorly cooked wild bolete mushrooms, got horribly sick and lost 30 pounds in a month.

>>76374860
When I diet I get kinda ocd about my food so I like it really clean feeling, and lean meat feels cleaner in terms of things going bad or being undercooked.

Also, the trick for breast is you smother it in extra virgin olive oil mayo, then it slaps.

>>76376806
The trick to chicken breasts is you pull them early and they carryover cook while resting, doesn't dry out.

>>76374879
Yea one weigh in day is kinda gay, I would get you a scale where you weigh and your weight shows up on a chart in an app. Then you can weigh every day and see fluctuations and trends and shit. I literally can fluctuate 4 pounds in a day eating the same diet every day.

>>76376806
>eat lean meat to get a good amount of protein without too much fat
>smother it in fat so that it doesn't taste like shit
do you see the problem with that?

>calculate a projected weight loss of 1 lb / week
>keep losing 2 on average for 6 weeks
I mean I'm not complaining, but did I undercount my TDEE by putting in sedentary when I do exercise or what?

>>76374884
Mr Nigger P. Faggot over here can't even cook a chicken breast. Dawg is eating straight thighs and sweating schmaltz down his big booty ass crack like an elephant on a slip n slide.

>>76376845

>>76374996
Jesus H Christ you are one big motherfucker. Honestly, I'd start water fasting right away. Start small, get your electrolyte supplements in order, etc. But once you work your way up I would start doing 1 meal a week like this guy, he lost 60 pounds
>>76357320

>>76376840
water weight sped it up at the beginning?

>>76376765
Its not been a good couple years but im trying again and this time im seeing a doctor and taking some medicine that should help with cravings and my blood sugar. My doc offered me a glp1 but I went with metformin instead, didn't want to go to an extreme yet when I know I can lose this weight if I try hard enough.

But yeah, now that I'm seeing a doc I figured I should rejoin. No excuses, no nothing.

>>76376781
I hope I don't anytime soon
>>76376784
Junk, fast food, stuff I cook at home but too much of it, and eaten at the wrong time

>>76376873
>My doc offered me a glp1 but I went with metformin instead, didn't want to go to an extreme yet when I know I can lose this weight if I try hard enough.
Peak retard, why would you not take a glp1? You are 545lbs bro, get over your ego. You are going to die.

>>76376818
I mean, it's a thinned out mayo sauce. i got a lot of onions sauce and hot sauce in there too. The extra virgin olive oil also is loaded with polyphenols and shit, I get the bryan johnson one. Tastes great and fits the macros and is healthy stuff. I don't see the problem.

>>76376866
Maybe if it was just the first couple of weeks, but it seems pretty stable for 6 weeks now.

>>76376881
I agree, guy should go back to his doc and tell him to switch to glp1 instead
THEN he will have no excuses

>>76376873
Honestly bro, try losing the weight naturally if you want, but if you fall off the wagon at all I would just get the full ozempic. At this weight you have to accept that for whatever reason you have a real serious psychological issue and you don't have enough time to fix it before your life starts to accelerate down more than it already has. You're at drop dead at 29 of a heart attack weight.

>>76376759
WHAT THE FUCK U R THE FATTTIEST HERE?

>>76376479
How much protein do you need and what is your daily calorie count for your cut?

>>76376530
You can also do some cardio on your off days.
I go swimming with some mates once a week.

>>76376759
gain a bit more and go on my600lb life

>>76376934
>>76376965
>>76376881
I missed you guys too

>>76376795
no shit but he's claiming he'll give up if he doesn't get atleast 2lbs off every week which means he's cooked

>>76376968
ngmi

>>76376708
Yeah man. I never look at the menu. I just ask.

If they dont have that, I'll just get some seltzer or sparkling water

In the rare case where I have sugar, I'd rather it be actual sweets and not just consuming empty calories in a drink

I did all three laps back-to-back today, I usually rest for a bit between 5k step laps, but I challenged myself to do them all in one go. My back is killing me. It started out super hot, but luckily it turned overcast and drizzled for my second lap, and started to rain heavily on my third lap, that was a fucking relief, felt like I was going to die in the heat on the first lap. Apparently, I hit 102°F during that first lap. I'm drenched partially from the rain and partially from sweat. Fuck that was a lot. The weighted vest really does make it more difficult, especially these longer walks.

>>76376968
*wheezes*

I LOVE U ANON
U R THE BIGGEST TUBBY HERE AND I LOVE U AND WE ARE ALL GOING TO MAKE IT :P

>>76376968
try not to die too

Today was a shitty day bros and I was really close to eat my feelings but I stopped myself. I know it’s gay but i feel kinda proud about it. WAGMI!

>>76376986
I will in the future, thanks anon!

>>76376873
>But yeah, now that I'm seeing a doc I figured I should rejoin. No excuses, no nothing.
Welcome back anon, let's get this shit done this time around. You have a long way ahead, but the rewards will be all the sweeter for it. WAGMI.

>haven't eaten yet today
>haven't drank THAT much water yet
>fuck it decide to weigh myself in the middle of the day
>up 2 lbs
bullshit

>>76377059
*grabs you by the collar and smooches you*

anon get on the cardio kiss train. 2 calories per minute lost.

>>76377067
just go on grindr already anon, ive seen you here having kissing fantasies for the past week

>>76376991
I have been interested in rucking because the idea of progressive overload + walking is pretty damn sexy.

But I also have observed the way being a fat ass can make a person go knock-knee and I feel like I have small twinge of knock knee from being fat and it stands to reason that progressively carrying even more weight would exacerbate the problem.

Have you considered this or have any thoughts on it?

>>76376759
based king of the fats. Lets get healthy anon life is worth living

>>76376991
>>76377081
just run already retards

>>76377087
>Lets get healthy anon life is worth living
I see we're lying openly here

>>76377080
>just go on grindr already anon, ive seen you here having kissing fantasies for the past week
>kissing fantasies

I don't post my kissing fantasies on /fit/ anon, I am here strictly to workout, get lean and be not fat.

how would you know what I know?

>>76377099
>I am here strictly to workout, get lean and be not fat
>*grabs you by the collar and smooches you*

>>76377102
that's part of the workout anon!
See here posted by the university of arizona health sciences department

https://healthsciences.arizona.edu/news/why-you-should-pucker-four-health-benefits-kissing-your-loved-one

>>76376759
We need to put you in a circus

>>76377096
it is worth living fag. Even if he only extends his life in order to ultimately be able to eat more food and watch more goyslop entertainment and shit. Still better than being dead

>>76377092
>killing my gains

not even once

Today's dinner: Sway/basa filet on lentils with fungi.

Not a very visually appealing dish, but dirt cheap (other than the fungi) and pretty good macros.
Per portion:
35 g fungi, 100g lentils, 5 g olive oil, 100g sway, some lemon juice, powdered chicken broth and a few capers.
~268 kcals (didn't log the capers and lemon juice)
27g protein
21g carbs
7g fat

I've had two portions, but it's very filling.
lentils: 0.43€
sway: 0.84€
olive oil: 0.04€
fungi: 0.72€
-----
2.03€, with the capers and broth powder it comes out to less than 2.50€/portion. Would recommend. Skip the fungi or get cheaper ones and you can make it for 1.50€/portion.

>>76377096
retard

>>76377111
cardio doesn't kill gains retard, don't overdo it and you'll be fine

>>76377081
I don't have any issues with knock-knees, and I've already lost most of the weight I was planning on losing, I'm in overweight nearing in on healthy weight and the fully loaded vest just barely puts me into obese class 1 territory. So its not really something I'm concerned with.

>>76377092
I do run... a little, at least I try to. I'm working on it. I don't have much stamina built up and still quickly get winded when I do. As soon as I start running I almost immediately spike to zone 3/4 and lose my breath so I do this sort of run to get my heart rate up / walk to catch my breath thing, and I try to do more running and less walking to progress. You can see when I run on the HR chart as the spikes (top of the middle pic >>76376991 ). I never did any running previously, I've been a sedentary fatass shut-in for the last two decades of my life so this is still pretty new to me. This time last year I hadn't even left the house in over a decade, so I've made a lot of progress from where I started.

>>76377092
Fatties shouldn't run, that's just asking for trouble. Don't even consider running until you're out of obese and into overweight. They're just going to destroy their joints and hurt themselves if they try.

>>76377117
today's dinner: extremely satisfying

>>76377186
lmao ngmi

>>76377186
Open it you slut

fatty contest
pepsi
315.8lbs

>>76376759
Eating enough to maintain this must basically be a dayjob at this point.

>>76377186
We are little more than the accumulation of our choices anon, I sure hope you're proud of yours.

>self.weigh()
>scale goes consistently down
>it's now at 92, was as 118
okay
that's been 26 kilograms or 57 pounds across a year and a quarter, no loose skin, no effort (i will explain), not even reading the stupid OP, not even counting anything, no bullshit broscience
I started when I've had enough
I will stop when I have enough (85 kg goal weight)
I had accepted myself as permanently obese and first started condensing my meals into a timeframe, some call it intermittent fasting, I call it "eat only from 11:00 to 16:00 or around that time"
That dropped me a bunch
Then I started cycling more, at night, so I don't interact with people. That further dropped fat
Then I started calisthenics workouts at night time, very simple at first, didn't tell anyone, but I was consistent
At this point, and only at this point, after months of training, did I start paying attention to what I was eating only because I hit the bottleneck
Over time I've refined my workouts, introduced new ones, soon it's time for creatine
I've NEVER restricted myself on what I eat or sacrificed myself of got into a struggle or anything like that
I even gained some weight back, I hovered from 100 to 103 kgs for a few months.
The thing is very simple, do you love and respect your body? Do you love and respect yourself? If so, then you will make sure you do loving things for it given time.
If you have a craving for something bad, then go for it, do not feel bad. The junk will do its damage and you will mitigate it afterwards - why further the negative feelings for no reason? Especially if you are on path to becoming a healthy person anyways.
I've passed this point of cravings. The habit is long baked in by now. I crave physical activity and healthy food and healthy life.
Guys, it's not a competition. Not even a competition with yourselves. When you've had enough, you'll let yourselves know.

>>76377227
Cringe fag

>>76377233
insecure high effort ego-driven competition fag

>>76377237
Your entire post screams max insecurity

>>76377227
Man discovers eating less and training causes weight loss.

>>76377227
or you can grow a spine and put the fucking fork down
imagine jobbing to your own body
>do you love and respect your body?
it doesn't respect me since it wants me to relapse, why would I reward it?

>118 kg
>permanently obese
ChatGPT working overtime in these threads huh

>>76377249
Your body is the only temple in the physical world and if you don't treat it as such, you will suffer. If you don't respect it, at least stop lying to yourself, chomp on that ice cream and do the work when you are actually ready. I know I did.
>>76377274
Sorry, I'm european.

damn, woodchops blasted my core today

mmmm yummy donuts mmmm

>>76377415
>>76377415
post donuts. which ones did you buy?

>>76377429
I just finished eating it but it was a vanilla frosted donut from dunkin...

Fatty contest
Tescotard
251.5lbs

>>76377448
I hope you enjoyed eating it as much as you will enjoy burning its calories and integrating its protein into muscle

Im down to 199.1lbs I wooshed so hard over the weekend. Wgmi boys!

>>76377456
>donut
>protein

>>76377448
bro was so hungry he took a bite of the bag

>>76377448
>I just finished eating it but it was a vanilla frosted donut from dunkin...
good pick anonette
I want donuts too...

>>76377466
It does have some protein. Almost everything has protein.

>>76377464
how did they get the bear to do that LMFAO

>>76377448
>>76377186
reminder that this guy is a crab trying to bring you down
don't get defeated by this loser

>>76377514
maybe he experiences a catharsis posting his favourite foods
I tend to see the best in people

>>76377473
>anonette
im a dude, nigga

>>76377568
atleast stop drinking ur calories retard

>>76377568
hehe ok
*squeezes your biceps*

good job anon

>>76377568
Post thighs?

>>76377568
L O N D O N

>>76376230
Yeah I thought we might as well try to use technology and not some stone age tier calculator on bizcalcs.com thats based on just waist and neck measurement. Do people not use these scales, are they not good?

>>76376267
Well he's the same height as me, similar numbers, and looks similar although more flabby and less belly. And he's still supposed to have 50% more muscle than me? I don't get it. He seems to have testosterone too which helps I guess.

>>76377568
FTM? You go boy!

>>76377514
>reminder that this guy is a crab trying to bring you down
>don't get defeated by this loser
meh I eat slop all the time on the diet and it won't stop me from losing weight

>>76374777
that mentality is why you are still fat. somebody should screenshot your retarded comment to /fph/

fat guy who used to weigh 700lbs here. i had my dr appt last week and i went from 576 to 540 in 2 months. i had to look at these ppl congratulating me like this is anything to be proud of. im still a fat disgusting monster and even if i lose another 320lbs to get to where i want to be the damage is already done and i more than likely wont live to 40. i guess at this point i just want to be able to fit into a coffin like a normal person

>>76377609
700lb
just how?
How do you afford the food even

>>76377609
>who used to weigh 700lbs
how do you even get this fat

>>76377597
>are they not good?
they're terrible

>>76377514
lets be honest if some dude talking about fried chicken and donuts online makes you relapse, you weren't going to lose weight anyways

>>76377021
Wagmi buddy. Just remember we don't need food, we got twinkies and micky ds and all the bullshit tucked away in our fat nigger undulating ass cheeks, we can just eat that instead.

>>76377609
please give me a rundown of a typical day of eating at 700+, it's genuinely fascinating

I'm assuming multiple pizzas and massive bowls of ice cream for every meal 3x/day

CICO isn't real

>>76377736
>the laws of thermodynamics don't apply to me because uhhhhh because they just fucking don't sweaty

>>76377568
What're trying to prove with that chicken wing ma'am.

>>76377736
Cico is a law of the universe

>>76377186
I see tomorrow is tubby Tuesday for you, nigger

>>76377293
Gay eurofag makes haram abstractions/idolatry about the body and serves them instead of the LORD.

God commands you, eat less, move your ass, be beautiful, make money. That's it.

>>76377568
Are you fat? Are you?

Holy shit I just had such a nice burrito
I'll have to live on sunlight for the remainder of the day, but it was so fucking worth it I want to cry

>>76377740
CICO is a good model, and if you follow it you get results, but don't kid yourself it's not thermodynamics and the human body is much more complicated than that.

Calories of food is measured as the energy that could be produced by fully combusting the food. They literally put the food in a test tube with liquid oxygen, burn it, and see how much heat energy was generated.

Because your digestion does not map 1 to 1 with a test tube with liquid oxygen, the measured "calories" of a food does not map 1 to 1 to energy absorbed by your body. We can easily prove there is combustible energy still in the food after you digest it because pajeets literally burn shit. Exact energy absorbed from the food and ultimately fat gained/lost will still depend on your specific digestion and metabolism.

What does this mean practically? You should still more or less follow CICO, but I do believe you would see a difference if you double blind fed people the same calories but of different foods. Particularly fibrous fruits and vegetables vs sugar and white flour stuff.

>14 calories per bite
>14g protein per 100 calories
>filling as fuck
Think I’m going to eat these for breakfast instead of Oiknos greek yogurt. 90 calories of jerky is certainly more filling than 90 calories of yogurt.

>>76377844
don't forget that they're $50 a pound

>>76377777
checked

>>76377568
cover up you whore

>>76377609
>the damage is already done
Honestly, I doubt it will affect your long term health or life span very much. Your body can take almost unlimited abuse when you're young, as long as you unfuck yourself before age 35-40 and stay that way, you'll live a few more decades.
Why you bitching anyways like weight loss takes effort in 2025, blast ozempic and adderall until you see bones nigga, especially if you don't have long to live, you're gonna have a lot more fun geeked off speed every day instead of laying in bed shitting on yourself like a beached whale.

>>76377839
Calories in the food labels are calculated from the amounts of macronutrients in food, fat, carbohydrates, and protein. I know you watched some documentary 30 years ago that showed what you are describing, but that's simply not the way it is done today.

>>76377839
So if measured calorie content assumes 100% efficient combustion, and your body is less than 100% efficient, we will always see more weight loss than expected with CICO, right?

>>76377839
All adhered to cico diets have worked in reducing bodyfat
Not only is it practical in theory it also has been proven to be achievable in practice

Today's workout is brutal. Blew my wad on benchpress and its been hell since. That was 3 hours ago.

Lost like 3kg in a week after being stuck at 80kg for around 2 months. About time, hopefully it' smooth sailing from here.

>>76377608
You are ngmi

>>76377839
>They literally put the food in a test tube with liquid oxygen, burn it, and see how much heat energy was generated.
Why the fuck is this old outdated brainrot of a conspiracy theory still around.
THEY DON'T YOU MOTHERFUCKER
THEY HAVENT FOR A WHILE NOW
THAT WAS THE OLD METHOD OF MEASURING KCALS
YOU FUCKING IMBECILE

boys i've lost 54lbs from 242. i can fit into medium shirts now (tight but still). its time to hit the gym and build myself back up again to a comfy Large.

we all gonna make it

>>76378017
what's the new one and how does it magically account for individual digestion and health condition differences

>>76378025
>magically
kek, no joke you are a subhuman low iq troglodyte

>>76378025
>individual digestion and health condition differences
not a significant factor for 99% of people. there is naturally some margin of error since you cannot know exactly how many calories you consumed and expended outside a laboratory, but it is small enough that it still works extremely well for the vast majority of people.

>>76378025
Most food labels use the Atwater System.
>and how does it magically account for individual digestion and health condition differences
It doesn't but the fact that it doesn't does not prove your point in the slightest.

Your core issue is that your gigabrained argument against CICO is "well it's hard to measure though" - yeah no shit. Doesn't make it wrong you fucking retard.
Also >individual digestion does not magically make it so you become fat off a salad and chad gets a sixpack.
You troglodyte.
You buffoon.
You fat fuck.
You will never make it and you know it.
At least don't drag the others with you.

>>76378018
How long did it take you?

>>76377839
Absolute top tier bait

>>76377879
>haunted by the past
>terrified by the future
Neither of those are real. Neither ever will be real. You're not afraid of things that don't exist are you anon?
Take the now pill and be free.

>>76377851
I just buy them when I travel for work out of the $75/day I get for food

>>76377597
people here prefer eyeballing their bodyfat percentage (and of course half of these fatties think they have more muscle than Chris Bumstead hidden under their lard)

Why am I such a fat fuck? Jesus I need to just not eat, but I need SOMETHING. I swear I do it to fill some void or for stimulation because nothing else is going for me right now it’s the little happiness I get and I’m gutting it out of my life. Lord give me the strength to not give in today. I’m going to try having a nicotine patch later when the desire gets to be too much.

>>76378093
you are fighting millions of years of evolution telling you to eat as much as you can while food is available. just get on glp-1.

>>76378052
6 months of one meal a day and I was on ozempic for 4 months in the beginning. not a single cheat day. sheer commitment but it works. funny enough i lost more weight off ozempic in the last 2 months.

>>76375752
NTA. I wish I could exercise and lose weight, but my body just doesn’t work that way. It hold onto fat greedily. I have to cut out food to lose any weight and I hate it. I hate it so much. I love food. Wish I was one of those guys that could just eat all they want and hit the gym for a few hours every day. I’m on my feet 8h a day + working out and I’m still a fatty.

>>76374879
update, im down 1.6 pounds from last monday : ]

>>76378115
Not taking ozempic, but I started at a similar weight a month ago and am down to 228, pretty much doing OMAD as well - counting calories and staying a good chunk under TDEE
I could deal with 4 more months of this.

>>76375851
Not a week, maybe just a day or two to trick your body into coming out of starvation mode. Then you hit it again with the deficit diet when it’s not being as stingy and holding tightly onto calories. (But really it mostly depends on you and genetics)

>>76378119
>Wish I was one of those guys that could just eat all they want and hit the gym for a few hours every day.
This doesn't exist
They just eat less than you

>>76378143
hell yes you can do it. just stay consistent and dont give in. 4 months is nothing in the grand scheme of things. im signing up to my gym again tomorrow because i told myself if i can fit into medium shirts and it looks normal then that's enough weight loss for me. no dude should be medium size

>>76378058
man do you actually live the ekhart tolle life?

I read the book and tried to live like that and it just was not possible. Like some annoying shit going on at work. I "let the anger pass through me and remain present and focus on the sensations of the now"... nah im still pissed off and ruminating.

>>76378159
I got some dumbells and an adjustable bench at home, I wanted to get below 200 before I get my ass in a real gym.
WAGMI

>>76375927
Holy out of context Batman. I’m an atheist and understand the Bible better than you. Maybe actually read the stories annd take the time to understand them instead of cherry picking verses.

>>76378162
I am currently trying to get jacked with only my bench and adjustable dumbbells. As well as just buying heavier dumbells when I need them. Currently I have some 75 pounders. I think I actually can make it without going to the gym. The only thing I miss is cable flys

>>76378184
>75 pounders
One day that'll be me, I was clean bulking nicely pre-covid and was using 65 and 70s for some stuff, then a few life things compounded and I ate myself up to 240.
Never again, though.

>>76378161
>man do you actually live the ekhart tolle life?
Not completely, but I'm probably closer to it than most.
I read his "the power of now" book, and while it had some decent advice I wasn't super impressed overall.
>I "let the anger pass through me and remain present and focus on the sensations of the now"... nah im still pissed off and ruminating.
Awareness exercises help me a lot to remain in the moment, and so does meditation (note that meditation does not have to mean sitting on a bamboo mat and crossing your legs, there's many ways to meditate, some involving exercise). Also stuff I learned in therapy applies not only to my own brain but also other people's brains and I find that if I understand why someone does something bad I usually feel less bad about it.
Sadly I can't give you much more advice beyond that because I never really learned to turn my emotions off, instead I've had to learn the opposite. I've always felt like my emotions were a bit muted compared to others since I was a kid and then eventually I got a major depressive disorder (including de-realization and de-personalization) and as part of a protective instinct of that I "lost" them completely. I've since overcome that and as part of therapy regained the emotions, but the ability to de-realize and depersonalize isn't really one I've lost, so I can just go back to that state (though it's not a particularly pleasant state of being), so when I feel anger or sadness I can just "decide to stop feeling it". But since I've never learned the ability myself consciously, I sadly can't give you advice on how to learn it yourself.

>>76378162
for me it was this weird mindset that iwanted to start from "fresh" so I wanted to lose the weight before going to the gym again. its probably dumb but that's how my mind works

>>76377932
Fair, I didn't know they started measuring it differently than the whole burning bullshit.

But still, the current calorie count seems to be a much improved approximation, but it is still an imperfect approximation. The people who went and improved it necessarily had to acknowledge that it isn't straight "law of thermodynamics" in order to start adjusting the "calories" figure to begin with.

>>76377844
>>76377851
You can make your own if you get a Dehydrator.

>>76378207
I get that, I was in good shape most of my life until I stopped working out and ballooned myself up.
I feel embarrassed to have let this go for so long.

>>76377933
Well, the expected weight loss is based on an estimated TDEE, the formula for which was probably determined through practical trial and error. So not necessarily.

But anyone who takes what I'm saying and goes and eats a bunch of twinkies and complains that they're still fat doesn't really matter. I know they say "law of thermodynamics" to pound into the heads of fatties that they can't smother a sandwich in unaccounted mayo and still lose weight, but I don't really give a shit if retarded fatties stay fat and retarded. I'm gonna be accurate about shit.

>>76378212
When people talk about the law of thermodynamics they mean that fact that if you consume less calories than you expend you WILL lose weight
There are countless of studies using these approximations with successful results

>>76378221
>I feel embarrassed to have let this go for so long.
That emotion is valid and good to have, after all you did fuck up, but remember that you're not alone, all of us have. The best day to plant a tree was 10 years ago the second best is today kind of deal, just be glad that you woke up now instead of another X kg/lbs heavier.

>>76377939
Yes, I'm on the train. But there is a difference between "this model has consistently worked, we should continue using it" and "this model represents the underlying machinations of the universe designed by God himself".

Similarly, we use Newtons laws to build a bridge, and indeed they work and they are a good model. Newtons laws break with general relativity though. And general relativity still will probably break once we see some more cracked shit, maybe quantum stuff, even though it works today to account for the different in time experienced by a GPS satellite going fast enough around the earth that it matters. They are good models that indeed fit the backtest of the phenomena that were observed when they were invented. But they are not the underlying code of the existence we find ourselves in.

>>76378017
I now found out they don't do that anymore, but that is how they used to do it. And I did see some gay nigger veritassium video from like 2015 that measured calories that way. So I thought that's how they did it.

>>76378268
This has to be a troll right? How else can you so convincingly embody the midwit meme.
Please, I beg of you, some humility, or a course on philosophy of science, and then another course on social skills.
The way you describe these things betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what a law of science is, the scientific process and how you process information.
If you middle school teacher tells you the earth is a ball, but it's actually not quite, are they lying? Or is it just a useful approximation relative to the model applied to our reality?

>>76378268
Doesn't matter, for all intents and purposes "this model has consistently worked, we should continue using it' is equal to the ultimate objective truth of the universe
Because you want to lose weight and you will lose weight with CICO, there is zero reason to split hairs unless you are looking for excuses

>>76378290
shut up nigga

>>76378275
Listen anon I kind of went off on you because it's a pet peeve of mine, I fucking despise that something so easy to look up gets repeated ad nauseam all over the place.
Good on you for looking into it.

>>76378290
Fuck you nigger.

Social skills is fair, this question is probably bringing out my autism. But there's a difference between saying the earth is approximately a ball even though it's not a platonic ideal of a sphere, and saying CICO is so absolute that it is a niggering tautology to the law of thermodynamics, which is an actual thing.

>>76377844

>gives you cancer

>>76378295
It's equal if you're a fat retarded fuck that needs God himself to descend from the heavens and tell you in an unquestionable revelation that CICO is the absolute law of the universe or you'll stuff your face with twinkies, sure.

>>76378330
Okay anon let me break it down for you in a way that may make more sense.
>and saying CICO is so absolute that it is a niggering tautology to the law of thermodynamics, which is an actual thing.
CICO technically means "calories in calories out" but by "in" it means "calories inserted into the system of the body", which already means after digestion and all that stuff. It doesn't mean "literally the amount of calories inserted into the mouth". If it did, we could chew some uranium and get fat.
So CICO is just a shorthand way for people to say that "In general if you expand more calories than your body receives it will store the excess energy in the form of fat and some muscle".
This is where the complaint lies. You're arguing a technicality, which is that technically the calories inserted into your mouth don't 100% get converted, but noone but you uses that definition, hence the strong reaction by different anons. With your definition you're 100% in the right, but again, that's private language, others don't use that definition, and anyhow it's probably less of an effect than the fact that nutritional labels can be up to 20% inaccurate or some shit like that. In the grand scheme it doesn't matter. All that CICO is there is to tell newbies that if they want to lose weight they have to eat less or move more.
Hence also the philosophy of science argument, newtons law aren't wrong, they just have a scope in which they can be applied. For domains outside of that scope, they break down, but that doesn't make them wrong. Few laws in science are actually unmovable as far as we know, they always apply within given scopes and basically act as useful approximations within them.

>>76378350
You're just a loser who wants to waste time I see

>>76378309
All G baby, I'm happy I niggured out something new, thanks to you.

>>76377784
>God commands
>haram
>idolatry
>MUH LORD

Ancients weep at your lack of wisdom, neophyte. You serve cults and half-truths. Like those CICO-circlejerkers above, who also cannot see the forest for the trees (literally eat less to weigh less). Classical demonic ploys left and right. It was even left in the religious books so the self-serving powers can laugh in your face as they use the semantics of the old teachings against you.

>scale stalled for a month or two now
>shoulder blades feel more prominent
>unsure if this was always the case and i'm just simply fooling myself into think progress is quietly being made
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>76378526
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Unironically this is the only thing that can lead you to an actual lack of progress. Go easy on yourself, man. You likely already know what do to and how to do it, so there's no trouble there.

In my final 10lbs of my weightloss and i feel like my weight fluctuates more than ever. I'm 210lbs one day and then 214lbs the next then 211lbs etc etc

>>76378546
Yep noticed the same. My goal is 180, and one day I'm down to 184, next day I'm all the way back up to 188, then im 183, then 187, then 181, then 186 ect.

>>76378546
check for water weight, check for scale being fucky, weigh a few days in a row then see what feels most accurate

Fatty Contest
AngloSperg
279.4

ended up having half a tub of ice cream
ngmi

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LivingGod
73.0kg

>>76378622
Probably shouldnt have done that

>>76378622
its okay, theres always tomorrow, a week from now you wont even think abt this

>>76378632
i sadly have this shitty mindset of not throwing out food, it's been in my freezer for over a month and i finally caved
>>76378634
yeah but i've been on a diet for a week and already caved feel like absolute shit

>>76378640
>i sadly have this shitty mindset of not throwing out food
shitty excuse. if you don't want to waste food, you integrate it into your budget and eat it over a few days. eating food that you don't need is as wasteful as throwing it in the trash.

>>76378640
You either throw out the ice cream in the freezer or your hopes and dreams. Which one do you want to save more?

>>76378640
>already caved
Consequences will be felt, they will come, this is unavoidable. This is to be rectified too, provided you love yourself.
>feel like absolute shit
This does not need to happen at all. Feel good for the tasty ice cream. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. When/if you have had enough icecream, you will let yourself know.

Fatty Contest
memediet
104.5 kg

insane-o style drop this week

>>76378661
both ideally? but i get ya
>>76378714
>provided you love yourself
that's the biggest struggle lmao, i cant stop feeling guilty once i cheat but i think i have to or else i'll go back to my old ways permanently

do ya'll have cheat days/meals? if so how many calories over maintenance do you typically go and how often?

>>76378622
Why did you even buy ice cream other than Halo top

>>76378792
I don't love myself. I'm not a fan, never have been. Don't feel guilty nor self righteous. Just determine what is in your interests (losing weight for us fat fucks) and the do that thing. That's it. If you fuck up, it is still in your interests to lose weight, so you try again. That's all.

>>76378798
Halo Top is too expensive where I live, I didn't even buy this ice cream I got it in a care package
>>76378834
yeah makes sense thanks anon, no point giving up might as well try again

I would eat fried chicken and fries every single day if 99% of places didn't cook them in seed oils

>>76378882
You can buy your own massive vat of peanut oil and make your own.

>>76378882
yeah seed oils are the problems kek
just use tallow then

>>76378895
peanut oil is also shit

>>76378899
no the other problem is
>seasoning the chicken
>breading the chicken
>having a commercial deep fryer
>rapid oil quality degradation from constantly heating and reheating (as opposed to restaurants that keep the oil hot the entire day)
>cost of tallow and lard when combined with oil quality degradation

>>76378909
boo hoo nigger

>>76378928
I accept your concession

>>76378929
you're the one not eating fried chicken so jokes on you

>>76378934
>he's eating fried chicken
no wonder you're in this general, fatty

>>76378936
I'm not
and I'm not the one thinking and talking about how I'd eat it every day

>>76378796
Once a week I have a cheat day where I eat up to or slightly beyond maintenance. Then I tack on an extra deficit spread out over the rest of the week to make up for however much ate. I know cheat days aren't really good, but it works for me. It's just nice to be able to go out every once in a while and have a beer and a "normal" meal at a restaurant, and not be that guy who just orders a chicken salad every time.

I was also thinking about just not counting calories on Saturdays, and fasting all through Sunday to make up for it. Then I realized I was basically considering the Butterfield Diet Plan and now I'm having second thoughts lol

>was 298
>dropped to 178, goal being 165
>pulled lower back muscle 5 months ago
>still hurts like a bitch just to walk when right leg moves more than 5 degrees forward
I know I was eating more to try to put on some muscle while losing the last 10 pounds but fucking my back and coping that my hips will get better has just lead to me getting up to 190. Need to just fast I guess and give up on being muscular until I can figure out why my hips are fucked up. I also don't understand how doing situps on a weight bench can strain the lower back and cause pain when walking but I guess its some nerve. Any fatties trying to start working out learn from my mistake and keep it low and build up even if you think you can do more. I was dumb and started with 60 situps a day to try to improve core. I now have learned it is much better to start off with very low reps for your body to get used to it but this is probably a lifelong lesson.

>>76378946
Lower back pain sucks. I randomly hurt mine like six months ago and the pain's only slightly better now. Chronic pain is a real bitch.

>>76378010
I'm not even fat anymore. If he's been on this journey that long and still stress about 2.5lb loss per week, chances are he's still fat fuck with high body fat % with minimal progress and never reached normal BMI. Especially if he only try to lose weight 100% via diet and never tried to build a muscles. Probably an indian too.

>>76379006
Very insecure post

>>76378909
You can just also pan fry chicken in avocado oil and you do flour - egg - panko crumbs and it's really fucking good. It's not hard to be fat and eat yummy fried shit if you really want.

>>76378945
That's honestly not a bad idea anon.

I've only been on my diet about a month now, and by my estimates I have 5 more months to go. Not going out to eat for 1 month is easy, but for 5 months and no time with friends probably will be rough. Maybe I'll do that but I'll just do an extra water fast day.

will this edition of /fat/ reach 400 posts?

Fatty Contest
Hungry Hungarian
142.6kg

>>76379065
yeah I've tried 24-hr fasts before and I find it extremely unpleasant but doable. Even so, my deficit target is low enough that I'd have to be careful not to eat and drink more than two days of calories on my cheat day. Counting beers and shitty fast food, I could easily see myself going over 3,000 kcals in a day

>>76379337
at the start of my weight loss journey I was really comfortable with fasting, I was even a full on fastfag and thought it was the only way to lose weight but now I can't stand it, I never overdid it either my max was less than 72hrs

>>76379337
24hour fasts are not worth it at all in my experience. If you were to fast for a week the first 24 hours would be the hardest part of it. Might as well just fast for an extended period of time or not fast at all. You also need an extended fast to get all the autophagy and shit

More and more I am feeling like the fags who say you should eat a bunch of small meals are right. Not because the metabolism works like a steam engine but it’s just psychologically way easier to know you are never more than a couple hours from getting some food

>>76379419
>>76379419
>>76379419

NEW BREAD

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Name: Dzonathan Gavert
Weight: 120.55 kg

Overall progress:
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>>76375981
Thing is I do. Only reason I stall (I think) is because of that Dominos on 10th and day off on 13th.

>>76376390
Which brand would you recommend?

>>76379656
Forgot pic.

>>76379656
I use Polar.