Honest thoughts on alcohol?

>>76375436 (OP)
I'm taking a long break after getting drunk every single day for the last 7-8 months. I started feeling very unhealthy the last few weeks. Definitely not quitting forever though. I love drinking.

Liquid Jewish poison that I'm addicted to. Struggling not to drink it tonight.

>>76375436 (OP)
Drank for the first time a week ago.
>No confidence boost.
>Remained hyper-self-conscious.
>Conversation skills didn't improve - if anything they got worse.
>Party remained boring.
>Only noticeable change was that I was slightly dizzy at one point.
What am I missing? I don't get it.

>>76375460
What did you drink bro?

>>76375460
You didn't drink enough you little pussy. Probably didn't even have 3 drinks.

Fucking trash, especially for what we are doing here

you're better off smoking weed and cigs

best times in my life came from alcohol
worst times in my life came from alcohol
it is best to avoid alcohol as much as possiblr

>>76375464
>>76375465
I had a glass of vodka and 4 or 5 cans of beer.

>>76375436 (OP)
It just kills gains man. Alcohol is a sugar, so you're taking in a lot of excessive carbs. Which in it of itself isn't a bad thing if you tracked it among your macros. The thing you can't avoid though is that alcohol, even one beer within a couple of hours of going to sleep, will shorten your REM sleep. Thus killing your recovery, and gains. Which is why I don't drink in general, maybe a beer a month after doing work around the house in the heat. But that's it. Because you already put in the work in the gym, and then by drinking you retroactively fuck yourself. I can't get passed it.

That's why I prefer high quality alcohol free beer. Tastes great, is isotonic, and doesn't kill gains.

>>76375474
>Alcohol is a sugar
No it isn't, you dumbass.

>>76375471
Drink 10 beers next time then

>>76375436 (OP)
Moderation is key.

>>76375460
Dit it at least taste good?

>>76375447
Based alcoholic

>>76375467
One thing I'll say if that when you get really hammered with strong stuff, like vodka, the dehydration makes you really shredded the next morning

That's about it

>>76375436 (OP)
For liquors and whisky, two rules:
1. not every day
2. only in moderation

You can have a glass of wine (150 ml) every day without a problem. Do not do this with beer, the beer-belly is real.

>>76375492
What is the difference between alcohol and beer

>>76375481
Okay I'll give it a go, but it just seems annoying to have to absolutely wreck your body in order to get any enjoyment out of it.
>>76375483
Apparently not if you want it to be worthwhile.
>>76375486
No.

haven't drank in 4 years but I do miss it

>>76375483
>>76375492
I can't relate to people who moderate their alcohol. At all. I don't enjoy alcohol until I've drank enough to be drunk. 6-8 drinks no less but probably no more. Moderation doesn't exist. Alcohol is awful until the desired effect is achieved at which point nothing compares I love it. This is why I stay away from alcohol as much as possible. I cannot relate at all two "just a few" fags. You are not human.

>>76375500
Don't listen to the other anon telling you to have 10 beers, you should drink wine/whiskey/beer for taste, if you drink purely to get drunk you are no better than a druggie. Once you know your limit, stay under it.

I think alcohol should be reserved for celebrations. Also think once you are 30+ it takes a harder toll on the body to recover from too much liquor.

Weed however can be used quite more often, say once or twice a week, and actually not hinder your progress in the gym, if you, again, don't over-indulge in the amount that you use when you do decide to smoke. Always try to keep awareness and control over your own health somewhat and don't let substances ruin you.

>>76375508
Have you tried not drinking cheap junk purely to get drunk? Like a proper glass of wine paired with a nice dinner.

>>76375447
How do you just... stop? I have been at it for a year and I can't stop.

>>76375524
sounds really fucking gay

>>76375528
Yeah...

>>76375513
>Drink for the taste
Sounds retarded. I'd rather just not drink at all.
>Once you know your limit, stay under it.
What limit? Limit for what? You sound like a massive faggot.

>>76375524
Do you honestly believe you have some unique perspective to share with me that I haven't already considered? I'm more autistic than you could ever imagine. I could write our conversation we are about to have all by myself.

>>76375436 (OP)
Borderline satanic. Makes me a bit more confident in social settings but being a Alkie nigger is a fate worse than death

>>76375520
I think weed smokers are faggots and functional drunks are based

>>76375436 (OP)
It's ruining my life.

>>76375436 (OP)
Being drunk makes life more bearable than being sober, so I drink 1/3 to half a bottle of whiskey per day, unless I am with my gf

>>76375561
How do you stop when she's around?

>>76375563
That's the good part/crazy part of it all. When I am with her I have absolutely zero cravings, not physical nor psychological. I guess that just means I'm not addicted yet. So yeah, I don't have to try. Which id good, because she doesn't like me drinking. But once I am on my way back or at home the first thing I do is go to my local liquor store and buy a bottle. And I continue to drink every day I am not with her. And once I'm at her place again, I stop. Sounds gay as fuck, now that I write it down. But I guess it's a nice, natural way of staying not-addicted.

>>76375547
That's because most weed smokers smoke every day. There's only a small amount of ppl that can use it effectively.

>>76375576
For context, I stay 50/50 at my and at her place, sometimes a day or two more, sometimes less.

I drink a bit to sleep better.

I'll take the occassional glass of whiskey on celebrations and similar.

Had a wakeup call where I had my usual nightly drink, but on an empty stomach and dehydrated. Ended up blackout drunk and woke up with a busted shoulder, scraped face and busted knee. I concluded from the evidence that i tried to turn on my fan and fell over. No gym for like 3 weeks.

>>76375576
mmmm thats interesting. you have things outside your gf that would make you not drink? im guessing youre living alone.

>>76375436 (OP)
Too expensive for YHWH's strongest Rabbi (me)
Also, it's haram

>>76375607
>you have things outside your gf that would make you not drink?
No.
>im guessing youre living alone.
No, with my mom and brothers (housing market is horrible). I drink there

>>76375460
Rule of thumb: 1L of beer per hour of party to get drunk.

>>76375614
Based supersemite

>>76375436 (OP)
It's just too many calories so I don't drink any more
I always regretted it the next morning

>>76375436 (OP)
I love it but it fucks me up pretty bad for days. I'm forced to choose between being a hypersexual and a lush. I choose hypersexuality most of the time.

>>76375576
>That's the good part/crazy part of it all. When I am with her I have absolutely zero cravings, not physical nor psychological.
Check out this short: https://youtube.com/shorts/uoZvpaTH6hs?si=R2260ujJTruCzpTd

>>76375436 (OP)
Been there done that.
Fun until it isn't anymore.
Weed is better, as long as you're not a couch locked gamer. Get high and do gardening or something.

>>76375478
It is. Alcoholics crave sweets like crazy when they quit.

I tried to see what all the hype was about a few years ago, was buying whiskey, vodka, and sometimes cheap wines. It never seemed worth it to me, nauseating just to drink, short period of a high followed by feeling shitty.

Last time I did it I purchased the cheapest whiskey I could find and drank over half in one night. Wanted to kill myself the majority of the next day. Eventually forced myself to puke it up, but the symptoms came back hours later while in the store, couldn't even stand upright.
I can't even comprehend how people get blackout drunk and hungover regularly and decide to do it again, especially those much older than me.

Edibles are just better for me, the gummies I get never tsdte grest but are much easier to get down, hours of high and no after-effects. Dunno if ADHD affects my response to alcohol with the dopamine fuckery.

>>76375576
Nigger you are addicted lmao you have circumstances where you drink compulsively

>>76375436 (OP)
>Honest thoughts on alcohol?
Used to be a daily drinker and always had trouble quitting, I was over 250lbs as a teenager and managed to lose all the weight until I turned 21 and had free access to alcohol and undid all of my work. Found stimulants and I literally have no desire to drink anymore and my weight is lower than it's ever been. Drank the first time in months on the 4th of july because I was pretty much forced and it kind of just ruined my night, made me spaced out, tired, kind of sick, the next day was fucking brutal. The rest of my family had drank way too much, more than I ever seen them drink before and they were ugly, loud, obnoxious, belligerent, and stupid. It was sad.
I don't wanna feel like that anymore and I don't wanna act like that and I dont wanna be fat. Devil drug.

>>76375436 (OP)
I must be blessed in some kind of way because I drink some beers daily and my tolerance has not increased in 15 years
2-4 is nice drunk then 4+ I get sick and dont want to drink anymore

>>76375720
Wow so nicotine is a sugar too then. Good to know.

>>76375436 (OP)
gains goblin. thankfully I am neuro divergent and avoid people so I was never compelled to drink more than a handful of times in my life. it won’t matter much now but in your 30’s it will show who was taking care of themselves and who was abusing their body with drugs and alcohol

>>76375727
You need a greasy meal the next day after a blowout: KFC, bacon & eggs or breakfast fry up, some kind of protein. Some electrolytes. Also, one or two beers.

>>76375748
I remember reading that stuff while suffering the next day looking for remedies, but I was struggling even thinking about eating. Probably never getting that drunk again, but if I do I'll remember your advice. Cheers bro!

>>76375822
You need to be well hydrated to get less of a hungover. I don't even get them because I know my bodys limit and mechanics around it.

Its physically impossible for me to experience a hangover. Told my doctor and she said i must be part of the X-men

Two cans of beer hit me like a sleeping pill these days, blessing or curse I don't know.

>>76375898
Swap to vodka. Less calories, less amount of fluids that will wake you up for a piss.

I could never drink because I've been around alcoholics a lot when I was growing up, I saw what it does to a person and that person's family. The one time I did get drunk I enjoyed it very much, I felt warm and safe. I did not want that feeling to end but it did, and then I realized that I can never do this again. It's too powerful.

>>76375822
If you decide to do it again, just wait til you're very hungry, say, by 2pm (depending when you fell asleep), lovely steak & chips & salad, hot shower, sunshine and a beer or two and by Sunday night you will feel good again, but all bets are off if you're on jager/tequila!
But yeah don't eat until the hunger is big or you may throw it up.
Not getting trashed is an even better strategy. All the best in health and libations fren.

>>76375436 (OP)
It's not nearly as bad as weed but I stopped anyway and it improved my life

>>76375436 (OP)
Ok in moderation like everything else. Too much water and soda are bad for you too.

>>76375508
You just lack self control like a real men. Many successful people drink and smoke every day.

devil in a bottle

Why is every American either a complete teetotaler or a degenerate alcoholic? Why can't they drink with moderation?

I rarely, if ever, drink during the weekdays but I can have a beer or a glass of wine with food and then do a bit more in weekends, going to a pub with some friends, a concert or just a dinner party but I can also go 2-4 weeks without drinking at all.

Americans however seemingly have no impulse control when it comes to alcohol and it's either on or off with them which makes listening to American podcasts about alcohol extremely difficult because they will always compare these two extremes when it comes to health.

>>76375983
One example of this is like Joe Rogan and Huberman who will just go on and on about "alcohol is le bad 4u" but they're speaking about it from an American perspective where apparently alcohol is something you drink ever single day and they will be so fucking proud about being sober for x amounts of days/months/weeks and how many "health benefits" they're getting. Fucking mutts.

>>76375436 (OP)
Havent had more than a few drinks for the past 5 years, but this picture makes me want to go buy a bottle of JD and just chill in the mountains

>>76375983
>Americans however seemingly have no impulse control when it comes to alcohol
They also don't seem to have it with food since they are either obese slop guzzlers or obsessed health nuts.

>>76375436 (OP)
I'm straight edge, I really dislike both the taste and feeling drunk.

>>76376042
Also true. I was living in the US (Texas) and the amount of "normal" people was very few. It was always either extremes.

>>76375436 (OP)
I don't like the taste and the feeling of dizzyness it gives, so apart of "experiencing" it once in my teens, i never drank again and probably never will.

Why does op make the same threads on multiple boards?

>>76375576
Funny I used to drink a lot when i was with my ex gfs because i couldnt tolerate any of them

>>76375538
A waga bobo skee skee wobbly patoo bree skimmmmmm poo poo
Didn't expect that huh buddy?

It’s fun. I binge drink with friends maybe 4 times a year but other than that don’t drink.

>>76375436 (OP)
Not a mission parameter

I dont like being drunk
I prefer my autistic self over the fake talkative me
Most alcohols taste like shit and alcohol free beer is good enough for me

>>76375499
I will NOT answer this question. It is too damn dumb. Sorry.
>>76375508
>I don't enjoy alcohol until I've drank enough to be drunk. 6-8 drinks no less
Buddy, you have a more serious problem that not understanding moderated ppl.

>>76376129
fucking kek i know that feeling

I drank a 26er last night. Woke up and ate a whole pizza and skipped the gym

Enjoyed in moderation and, perhaps more importantly, in good company, it's fine. Keep in mind that what it really does is amplify who you really are and what you're feeling in the moment. If you're an angry person sober, you're going to be a violent drunk. If you're depressed, you'll stop masking and be a sad drunk. But if you were already in a good mood and with good friends, it's cheers all around. With this in mind, like any other substance, you absolutely must not use it as a coping mechanism. It's a mood enhancer, not a mood lifter.

>>76376714
i’m a rapey drunk

>>76376747
Yeah, see, you probably shouldn't drink because you're the kind of guy who ends up in the drunk tank. An apparently on a registry.

>>76375500
Yes moderation is key, just because you're a retard who doesn't understand how to even drink properly

>>76376752

>>76375436 (OP)
It's garbage as bad as any other easily abused drug. If you're at a party or going out and just want to get drunk, then mixed shots with diet soda is good for that. People who actually enjoy drinking beer whether to get drunk or not are retarded. It's expensive, tastes like shit, makes you fat, and has barely any alcohol in it. People who drink straight liquor are insane drug addicts who will cope that your tastes just aren't refined enough to appreciate it.

>>76375436 (OP)
love it

>>76377015
Asian women look so very weird, they all look like that creep from Majora's Mask, if he had a tenth mask called "Less Soul"

>>76375547
Well then it's a good thing that literally no asked for your input isn't it

>>76376674
Meaning 26 beers? I'm pretty sure that's equal to over a liter of hard liquor.... Seek help...

>>76375436 (OP)
It's poison. I switched to weed 8 years ago and I'm in great physical shape now. Can't workout hungover. Eat like shit when drunk. Booze and the food makes me fat.

I'll never pick up again. Fuck alcohol. I had my fun but I wasted good years being wasted.

>>76375460
That's actually a blessing. If you "wake up" and feel like you've finally learned how to live when you try booze you're in for a rough life. Because I'm an alcoholic and every one of us will tell you about that wonderful feeling of our first time. Believe it or not, "normal" people react to alcohol as you did. Consider yourself lucky.

>>76377064
nobody asked

>>76375436 (OP)
It's fun but it's not good for you. I should stop drinking so much because I'm pretty sure that's what's causing me to have loose shits every morning, and I miss going for long drives at night.

>>76375436 (OP)
If you can hold your liquor and not allow chronic use to destroy your life or body it’s fine. If you get angry, sloppy or stupid or can’t control your life or health then sucks for you but you should stay away.

>>76377070
No one asked for yours either you seething faggot. Go smoke a joint and calm down.

I drink 2 pints a day and I'm stuck at 195 lbs
Do I switch to every other day or what

>>76375436 (OP)
I hate myself to loving it.

>>76377071
26oz of whiskey

>>76375947
What are you talking about retardo I don't even drink. There's no such thing as drinking in moderstion it is literally poison. Alcohol is shit you can't moderate it safely. If I drink I'm gonna enjoy myself, you're not you're going to be ingesting poison and not receiving the only benefit: getting drunk.

>>76377449
i regret drinking too much. not that i threw up or made a fool out of myself, but i can’t remember why i kissed this girl on our date. it robbed me of my memory. i’m seeing her again this weekend and will be sober so i can savor every little detail

>>76376635
You sound like a total wimp. There's people drinking all day long drinking a bottle of hard a every day or more. I had my drinks at the end of the night and I was more or less fine. The actual reason I quit drinking wasn't because of alcohol. It is because I couldn't drink without smoking. I had to quit drinking to quit smoking. The alcohol was a little worse than a nothingburger. Saving the money is nice too.

>>76375447
how are you not fat af?

>>76377468
Sounds like a personal problem. I don't regret anything I do or say when drunk. Alcohol doesn't impair my judgement as much as some people. I prefer the decisions I make when drunk actually.>>76377468

it's my biggest gains goblin but also my only vice. it's pretty bad but to damage control I've got rid of every other bad habit in my life. diet has been on point for years, I work out almost every day, I go out in nature, take care of my sleep schedule, I don't even go out at night too much cause I'd rather drink during the day when I do to not fuck my sleep schedule and it's basically the only thing I dump spare budget on with my otherwise very tight and careful finances

it still gets on the way tho. what a stupid ass thing

>>76377494
i probably would’ve never kissed her in the first place without the drink. i just hate that i can’t remember. i like my personality better when i’m sauced up

>>76377523
I don't forget anything when drunk unless I'm blackout drunk which typically doesn't happen. Most of the reasons given fo moderation I can't relate to at all. I'm seeing people claim they're totally out of control after 5 drinks and I'm just like wtf that barely does anything for me it never has.

>>76375436 (OP)
I have 8.4 units (210ml) of whiskey with some ginger ale basically every saturday and play vidya in my room, I've never drank in my life outside of this exact plan, 29th birthday soon so I might indulge a bit more, we'll see.

>>76377836
oh and some lime

>>76377842
i sat here for a minute wondering what’d you mean by this, until i realized you said lime not ‘time’

>>76377850
oh man I fucking wish, time is my worst enemy, I can't even eat food without a clock in front of me so I can eat one bit per minute, fuck time.

I start drinking on a saturday night and all I can see is time progressing.

>>76375436 (OP)
I’m only 23 and I fucked up and became an alcoholic. I am up to almost a 6 pack a fucking day and I used to cope and say I don’t have a problem and I can control it but now I am pretty sure I have a problem and can’t control it. Being sober is excruciating now, not physically, but mentally. I know if I continue it will get to that point. I wish I could stop but the cycle of anxiety and depression during the comedown and subsequent sobriety push me to drink over and over again. I am “functional” in that I am disciplined to be /fit/ but my social life is in shambles because I need to be at least somewhat sauced to enjoy a conversation with someone. Pic unrelated but advice appriciated.

>>76377836
>>76377863
how do you usually feel on sunday when you do this? i'm wondering if delegating to once a week is fine, but seemingly there's no amount of alcohol over any period of time that isn't really damaging.

>>76377881
absolutely fine, I've never had a hangover and it rarely even feels like I've drank at all the next morning.

to be fair, I do it on a normal full day of food with like 80 calories cut per meal to make up for 480ish calories of the whiskey, and I still go to bed before 1am and get up at 7

>>76377912
and I get legitimately drunk too, I guess because I always put a week between drinking and realistically drink less than most people, I get more than drunk enough to have some fun

>>76377873
Getting off alcohol is nasty, you're gonna be depressed and wanna die for 3-4 weeks, but it is temporary. Easiest way is temporarily swapping to soft drugs, like weed, psychedelics, kratom, and whatever else is easy to give up. And well if you fuck it up and become dependent on one of those instead, at least it's better than alcohol.

>>76377912
>>76377920
sounds like you have a managed routine with it, but it also appears that you never really had a problem to manage in the first place. do you find yourself looking forward to it throughout the week? any guilt or regret etc?

>>76378023
I think about saturday night itself often enough, not the alcohol, I never have any guilt and the only regret I feel is not letting loose a bit more than usual, I'd say I'm more addicted to routine as a concept itself than anything else, I don't have it in me to take more time for myself than I currently do, which isn't much

>>76378016
Duly noted. I have tried kratom it does nothing for me. Other drugs make me paranoid big time. Alcohol is the only drug in my life I have actually enjoyed besides coke but that’s a totally different rabbit hole. I managed to quit the coke but the alcohol is so fucking difficult to quit. Especially cause its legal and everywhere. My friends are able to go out to the bar and have a couple but I just keep goin.
I intend to quit but I think I’ll just have to white knuckle it.

>>76377873
The catch 22.

When you control your drinking you can’t enjoy it. When you enjoy it you can’t control it.

>>76378147
written by an incredulous alcoholic

What's the appeal?

Tastes like shit. Makes you feel like shit while drunk. Makes you feel like shit the day after too. No nutrition or gains made from it but rather the reverse as the body treats it as literal poison.

There is literally no a single good thing about alcohol and not a single good reason to drink it. It has only cons and no pros.

>>76378219
It drowns out other feelings so people use it to cope with problems in their lives

>>76378219
>tastes like shit

objectively incorrect opinion, bad beer or plain vodka maybe, almost everything else tastes blatantly good

>makes you feel shit while drunk

you're a pussy or you drink too much

>makes you feel like shit the day after too

read above

>No nutrition or gains made from it but rather the reverse as the body treats it as literal poison.

you've got me there, but it doesn't need to be the only thing your ingest that day

>>76378200
>boo-ze
>lower your vibration

>>76378219
nah alcohol has gotten more people fucking than most other things on this planet. it does taste like shit, it can feel like shit (can also feel quite good if you just don't get disgustingly drunk), and often feels like shit the next day, and yeah the nutrition is ass and it's poisonous. but in good company it can lead directly to boinking someone hot or having a great time among friends and/or loved ones and that means alcohol in moderation is pretty great

>>76378200
Alcohol does contain spirits that temporarily possess you. Distilling alcohol in ancient times was seen as capturing the essence of it. The word spirit comes from the Latin spiritus, meaning breath or soul, and over time came to refer to the potent, vaporous part of alcohol that affects mood and mind.

Now, when you ingest alcohol, the essence of the liquid, the spirit, amplifies your own. When you drink in sadness, it deepens the darkness. A negative spirit takes over. This is the stereotypes of the alcoholic single mom downing wine, crying and watching HGTV. Or the alcoholic father seething and throwing beer bottles at his kid “to toughen him up”.

On the contrary, when you drink in joy, it enhances the celebration. Popling champaigne because a loved one has graduated college, or gotten married, or a promotion. Everyone has a good time and the spirit of joy and gladness That’s why it’s wiser to drink in merriment, not in misery, so the “spirit” it awakens is light, not heavy.

The issue arises when, after a time of merriment, the alcohol is associated with merriment. So someone drinks alone. Out of boredom, lonliness, whatever. Drinking alone invites the “spirit” with no other energy to balance it. No joy, no laughter, just your own thoughts. In solitude, the spirit can turn dark, feeding loneliness or sorrow. Without others to ground you, it’s easier for the drink to possess you rather than uplift you.

>>76378219
>Tastes like shit.
What are you 15? Is your idea of something that tastes good exclusively something sweet? Let me guess you don’t like black coffee either. Grow up. The majority of grown adults, alcoholic or not, enjoy the taste of a drink from time to time.

>Makes you feel like shit while drunk.

Blantantly untrue. If it was nobody would do it much less get hooked retard.

>Makes you feel like shit the day after too.

Actually agree with this. Had my share of hangovers in college. But if you’re not a pussy you realize you can live with and get through the consequences of your own choices.

>No nutrition or gains made from it but rather the reverse as the body treats it as literal poison.

News flash breathing air and drinking water also kills you slowly. Death is coming for us all. Alcoholics are retarded yes but drinking once in a while won’t bring you any closer to death. In fact having some sort of mental relief occasionally may prolong life.

>>76378219
I feel fantastic while drunk and I never puke anymore and don't really get hangovers all while binge drinking. The biggest downside for me is regular binge drinking unmistakably reduces energy levels, increases sleep needs/time to sleep/less time during the day as a result, decreases bowel health and substrate utilization, decreases cognitive ability, drains cash like a mofo and decreases testosterone/endocrine ability.

Most of the main drawbacks for me don't exist. I say this as a boomer I handle my alcohol better and in larger quantities than most of the youth.

>>76375714
>Get high and do gardening
Fucking hippies.

>>76375436 (OP)
Expensive, tastes like shit, and gives you tits

>>76378462
Just say you’re poor, have shit taste, and would be fat anyway.

>>76378488
Cope and seethe

>>76378488
lol what a bizarre post to get mad at
you've definitely got an issue if that's your reaction, literal alcoholic

>>76378521
>>76378556
>mindlessly contradicts stupid points
>gets further moralfagged
lmao

>>76375436 (OP)
I am turning 29 this year and I have finally hit a point where I don't truly enjoy drinking anymore. I used to love drinking and would generally drink pretty heavily for the last 8 years of my life or so. I think my drinking habits for the last year were really just out of conditioning, as I didn't truly enjoy the effects anymore. Lately I only drink socially or on vacation, and the gains have been insane, I wish I quit drinking the way I used to ages ago.

>>76377494
Yeah right. You can't convince us or yourself of that. You're just stuck living that life so what choice do you have but to pretend you prefer it? Good luck.

>>76378147
True.
1 is too many and 1,000 are not enough.

>>76377873
>6pack per day
>alcoholic
Stfu

>>76378687
If he can't stop drinking them it doesn't matter that it's 6 and not 16. He's just catching it in time, unlike you.
Stay "proud" of your expensive habit. Your tolerance is an achievement.

>>76378696
He can stop drinking. The rest of your post is retarded projection from a nitwit

>>76375995
Nigger, ive seen the way you bongs drink and its on par with a degenerate jacksonville piss up. The only difference is the faggy accent and meth vs odk, some gay spice shit bongs smoke

>>76375732
I would say you're not truly addicted unless you wake up first thing in the morning and start drinking, regardless of what day it is. I knew a guy who would literally drink a big glass of brandy at 6am after waking up and before going to work, and his hands would start shaking if he had to go more than a few hours without a drink. In fact the only liquids I ever saw him drink were alcoholic, never saw him drink a glass of water, etc. That's being an alcoholic. He must have spent half his paycheques just on drinking.

Anybody here tried phenibut? I got me some but it doesn't seem to do shit. I took 1,5g last time and felt absolutely nothing at all

>it kills my GAINS
I can absolutely guarantee that there is no one here who would have any form of training they were doing negated by alcohol intake. It might make you sleep in or feel ill, but in of itself it isn’t having a negative effect on the meme split you’re doing at your local commercial gym. You killed your own gains
>I am such a retard when I drink and I do retarded stuff so it is the drinks fault
It’s your fault. You’re blaming the product because it’s an excuse that is easily made. This is particularly prevalent in the US. Your dad didn’t leave you and beat you up because he was a drinker, he did it because he hated you and himself
>when I drink I end up eating bad and smoking
Again, this is your own fault and is an American unique thing

>>76375436 (OP)
It’s inherently bad and a major gains goblin

>>76377873
Fortunately, while 6 a day is wildly more than a normal person, it's pretty mild compared to a lot of alcoholics. Don't let that encourage you to not feel bad about it, it's good you acknowledge it now. It's a good time to stop. You shouldn't be getting any weird withdrawals, especially if you can still be /fit/ during the time you were drinking. You've built a mental pathway where you have to drink at least a little to get through the minutia of daily life. You should try tackling the problem from a different angle. When I stopped, I stopped talking to a lot of people and became more of a NEET since I was in a similar situation. It helped a lot in my case. For some it's the complete opposite. There might be some aspect of your life you dread doing you're too afraid to change. But you can. You can kick it much easier than some who fall deeper down the hole anon. Just start taking a few days off a week, or go down to 4 a day.
>t. former 12 pack a day enjoyer

>>76375436 (OP)
It's fine in moderation problem is people have massive ego and have compulsion to try out drink everyone else

>>76375983
Very insightful, anon. Its a cultural issue most likely caused by Protestant background. Drinking age of 21 here is way too high. When you get access to forbidden alcohol when underage, you want to chug it as quick as possible and get fucked up quickly, and this sets a bad precedent for adulthood.
Euros seem to handle alcohol better because they drink moderately as kids with family supervision, so there isn't the forbidden fruit appeal, and leads to moderation as an adult.

>>76376594
Holy fuck you wrote it word for word

>>76377873
>6 pack a fucking day
>I am disciplined to be /fit/
You're a fucking fat ass.

>>76375436 (OP)
Boomer retard poison

stop drinking it at all costs

>I need it to talk to people

lmao kys

I can't stop!!!

>>76378926
thank you anon. I am making a conscious decision to stop completely and trying ti stay busy.

>>76378733
Because it's only six? You don't know anything about anyone's situation but your own. Alcoholism isn't one size fits all.
You probably have a lot of silly notions you think are universal truths.

>>76378782
Yeah, this is another ignorant take. The idea that there's only one kind of alcoholic, and they must constantly have booze coursing through their veins or they shake. The morning drink.

Truth is, you're an alcoholic for a number of reasons, but mainly that you don't react the same way as a non-alcoholic does. Binge drinkers are often alcoholics. If they can't control their drinking they are alcoholic; even if they can go days, weeks, months without drinking. If once they pick it up they can't drink responsibly, they have a problem.

You're describing extreme, end-stage alcoholism. But that's not the only kind by any stretch of the imagination. You can ask any substance abuse counselor. It's common knowledge.
My theory is that people refuse to accept this because in their mind "at least I'm not THAT bad. I don't shake or need morning drinks so I'm not really an alcoholic."
You probably are.
Of course there do exist heavy drinkers, frequent drinkers who love booze but really can stop whenever they want. It's just pretty rare. They usually develop a real dependence eventually.
A lot of denial surrounding drinking.

>>76379168
No you don't know what you are talking about. And I'm guessing the 6 beer "alcoholic" faggot is actually you. Makes sense since you are a dumbass child

>>76378846
>Proud Eurotrash thinks HIS part of the world knows how to drink but the USA does not. Defending booze because it's all the drinker. Booze does NOT cause problems, only people do. Booze is wonderful and you Americans just don't know how to do it right! Booze can do no wrong, only you can.

Fuck off, you in denial motherfucking foreigner.

>>76378930
Yeah, that's really a reason for overindulgence in poison; the "competition" of it.

Why are there so many retards in here spewing lies about alcohol? You need to live life more before declaring what the "problem" with people is.

>>76379186
I quit drinking years ago. But at the beginning I would drink 6. Then it was 12. Then 18. Then wine. Then it became a fifth of liquor a night. I was just as much of an alcoholic from the start. I was born with it.
You didn't change your argument. You still just think amounts matter and insist I don't know anything. I've spilled more booze than you ever drank, kid. You'll grow out of your stupid pride someday. Or you may blow out your liver. I don't care. You're a prick.

>>76379209
Ok but how did you stop?

>>76379209
>I've spilled more booze than you ever drank, kid
damn… that went hard gramps

>>76375436 (OP)
>Honest thoughts on alcohol?
I can't stop drinking. Honestly

>>76379215
The same way everyone stops: Rock Bottom.

I put up with years and years of blackouts, embarrassment, remorse, accidents, betrayals, destruction, injury to myself and others.
It was finally enough. It's different for everyone and some never find it. Some drink until it kills them. I've seen it. I've lost friends barely 40 because they never slowed down no matter what the doctors said. I've seen guys with jaundice who would be refused service at 9 out of 10 bars because they loved him and wouldn't help kill him. And I watched them at that tenth bar, sitting alone, all yellow, drinking their lives away.
I am eternally grateful that I hit my bottom and reversed course. But I can't help anyone until THEY make that decision to quit. And once they do I'll be there for them no matter what.

>>76375555
Based

>>76375436 (OP)
Getting drunk is degenerate and the only reason I would drink alcohol is to get drunk. I respect it for its use as a beverage when potable water was hard to come by, if that is even true.

>>76378967
That's a really big thing. Like girls raised in strict religious environments become huge sluts in college because of repression.
When something is a cultural 'no-no', they want it all the more. There's still destructive alcoholism everywhere alcohol is consumed, but it gets its start in different ways.

>>76379247
It was true back in the day that they had to drink weak wine and beer for hydration. That would be something interesting if it's still happening somewhere. Though there'd certainly be an easier solution now I'd think.

alkie niggas literally need to be put in restraints to stop them from drinking

>>76378687
lol
just because you're an even worse alcoholic doesn't mean he's not one
now stop posting, no one wants to read your junkie thoughts, you're not even a real human anymore, it's just the booze talking

alchies will literally drink mouthwash lying around in the bathroom to get their fix

>>76379266
That is near lethal amounts of booze. I watched a friend die like that. Visited him in the hospital. He was swollen like balloons from the waist down. I've never seen anything like it.
They told him if he drank again he would die.

He abstained for a couple months and moved to a new city to start a new life. Then I got word that he started drinking again and within a few months was gone. I'm glad I didn't have to be there for it. What a terrible way to go.

>>76379266
Holy fuck, he didn't make it. Dead at 27!!
And he was a successful guy. I'm so glad I didn't succumb to my thirst like that. It can take anybody. I hope he got laid at least. I can't imagine dying so young.

>>76379292
Bro look at his face. That's classic fetal alcohol syndrome facial features. He just finished what his mom started.

>>76375720
I actually crave salty foods more everytime I stop boozing for a period

>>76379298
I guess so. So video games are a "profession" even a neglecterino like that can make it in.

>>76375983
>>76378967

A big part of it this is that the American solution for any kind of alcohol or substance abuse is Twelve Step (AA, NA, etc.). They claim they're "spiritual not religious," but Twelve Step grew out of a fundamentalist Protestant sect in the 1930s. The vast majority of rehabs in the USA are Twelve Step based, and it really has a stranglehold on the culture and the legal system. Twelve Step teaches that alcoholism/addiction is a permanent, incurable, "spiritual disease" for which the only treatment is total sobriety and going to meetings for the rest of your life. The Twelve Step model also treats any relapse or "slip" as a moral failure where you have to go back to square one and you "lose" all of your time and progress. So a lot of people who get into that mindset, if they slip up and get drunk one weekend, they figure "fuck it, I'm a failure, my disease got me, I lost it all," so they go out on a wild bender before fucking their lives up so bad they're back in AA again. Twelve Step wouldn't be THAT bad if it weren't for this bullshit mentality that causes people to become even worse drunks. If you were sober for 6 months but you slipped and got drunk one weekend, just go back to not drinking on Monday. It's not demonic possession, you got drunk.

Because Twelve Step is so dominant in the culture, people overlook stuff like the lizard brain theory of addiction. The theory is that alcoholism is evolutionary behavior from your primitive "lizard brain," it just isn't good or helpful. It's the reward/pleasure centers of your brain run amok. The best tl;dr analogy is that alcoholism in humans is like how if you keep re-filling a dog's food bowl as soon as he finishes it, the dog will eat until he throws up.

Total abstinence is necessary for a lot of people, especially if they drink so much they get withdrawals, but there are things you can do to trick your brain into drinking less if you have the discipline for it and you aren't too far gone.

>>76379318
Can you teach me?

>>76379237
https://www.reddit.com/r/lastimages/comments/13u4ghp/last_picture_of_football_player_and_alcoholic/

Huge push to demonize drinking lately. A little sus.

1 beer at dinner is not the end of the world, but for max fitness you should not drink daily

>>76379328
>1 beer at dinner
Just having one and stopping. That's the most unhinged shit I've ever seen.

>>76375436 (OP)
like all things, moderation is key.
>getting blitzed every night
not good for short or long term health, also very expensive habit
>having a few drinks throughout the week, almost never drunk
much more sustainable, but let's not act like this is the beacon of perfect health either.
>total sobriety
biologically and financially, this is the best choice. socially, not drinking at all cripples you and if you're on 4chan we can assume you're autistic on the mild end of things

>>76379322

I'm assuming you're the 6-pack a day guy?

Honestly your best bet IS to take a break for a while. I'm not saying go to AA and become a lifelong 12 stepper, just give yourself an extended period of time away from booze because you clearly know it's becoming a problem for you. Beer will always be available, no need to get FOMO over it. Some of the less cult-y Twelve Step people actually have a good outlook on this. Don't think "I can never drink again," just think, "I'm not gonna drink today."

This is also not what you're gonna want to hear, but drinking every single day is not good, even if you drink less than the full-blown alkies. I have a hard and fast rule that I have at least two consecutive days each week where I don't drink at all.

Also, don't drink on an empty stomach. Yeah, there are exceptions, like if I go out to eat with a group of people and everyone orders a drink at the bar first I'll have one too, but other than that, I always eat first.

There are a ton of other methods for reducing alcohol consumption while you're drinking. I usually know where my "gonna have a hangover tomorrow" cut-off is so I admit I haven't tried them, but they're out there and some of them make a lot of sense (like taking a sip of water and eating a small handful of a healthy snack like raw vegetables every time you take a sip of booze, makes you feel fuller and tricks you into drinking slower).

>>76379426
Sounds miserable.

>>76379328
Yeah, it must be a CONSPIRACY. "They" are pushing to have people post personal stories of getting their lives together. Must be making some sinister moves that somehow involve alcohol.

>>76379441
If sobriety sounds miserable then just keep drinking. At some point the consequences of the drinking might become miserable and at that point you may choose to stop.

Sounds like you're not even close to ready.

>>76379426
That shit in your last paragraph doesn't work for alcoholics. We can't just stop because there might be a hangover. And drinking water between drinks feels so wrong I can't even express it. I know it all makes sense to a sober mind, but once I start all bets are off. It always ends the same way: waking up the next day wondering what happened.

Raw vegetables... LMAO
I wish.

>>76379441

I mean there's other shit I've found that works for me personally, may not work for other people. I probably have a very mild touch of ADD or the 'tism, so if I get really occupied with something else while I'm drinking, I'll almost forget about the booze.

Like I play guitar, so even if I've already started drinking, if I plug in my little headphone amp and start jamming for an hour, I might not take a single sip for that entire hour because I'm so focused on playing.

I also drink way more and faster when I'm listening to music and shitposting than I do when I'm playing vidya and I'm engrossed in the game.

I also drink a lot slower if I have a woman over and I'm trying to fug but that hasn't happened in a couple years so we'll just go ahead and ignore that one.

>>76379237
What was the process like for you anon? Did you have to taper off to avoid withdrawals? Did you go the hospital and take benzos? Rehab? Willpower? How long did it take you?

>>76379282
>alchies will literally drink mouthwash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOCdIY_HKM4

>>76376753
Okay then, enlighten me. How does one drink properly?

>>76379209
You must have drank yourself retarded. Your entire argument is projection and strawmanning that you created in your fucked up brain. Here's the facts:
>6 beers per day will not make physically dependent on alcohol
I don't care about your retarded copes. You are an idiot.

>>76379273
So butthurt you start samefagging. I can't imagine.

>>76379498
No. I just didn't drink that night and never went back. I was a binge drinker and at the end was up to a fifth AND a pint of vodka every night. But I got up and worked the next day. It's more the all day, all night, slow and steady drinkers who have to taper and take special drugs under doctor supervision. The ones I knew like that actually just drank beer. They never seemed hammered but they were never really sober either. Just one continual buzz. The liver can't recover with that kind of drinking. As bad as I was, I was really just pounding a ton of spirits within three hours and then being blacked out for a while before spending 10 hours in bed. The booze gets processed out and the liver is probably doing okay by the time I got off work and bought that night's bottles.
I don't know how it works but once I was done I was just done. My body and mind both said "No More" and that was that. I didn't solve my personal issues which caused me to drink. It wasn't long before I was using Adderall daily, which eventually became dabbling with meth and other hard drugs before ending my dalliance with all that shit and finally settling on good old weed. I've accepted that I need some form of inebriation. Even if I'd quit everything I'd just have to become addicted to recovery groups and AA meetings or running or something else. I like getting high and doing my hobbies. Doesn't interfere with my life like booze and real drugs did.
But willpower is a thing. I still think about drinking or getting high every day. I simply have to remind myself what happens when I do. That it's never sustainable, that I'd just end up where I always do.
And it truly is a progressive disease. So if I were to start drinking again now, after years sober, my drinking would be as bad as if I'd drank all of those years. It's not well understood even by the scientists who study it, but it's proven again and again by people who try to return to using.

>>76379552
How up your own ass do you have to be to type all that shit out and think people care enough to read it?

It's poison

I would only drink it with a GF/Wife

>>76379524
No one suggested six beers a day will make anyone physically dependent. But nor can you argue that someone who drinks six beers per day could not possibly be an alcoholic. We do not disagree on anything. It's not black and white and you're trying to make it that. Everyone is different.
If anon NEEDS to drink 6 beers every night and can't stop himself from driving to the store and buying them he is probably an alcoholic. No one said anything about physical dependence. It's his mind that wants that "relief". The rest comes way later.
No projecting, no "strawmanning". I've been involved in alcoholism community stuff and recovery since my early twenties when I first started getting in trouble for my drinking. I drank hard for over twenty years. I've read lots of books and talked to lots of doctors. I've been to hundreds of meetings and known dozens of alcoholics closely. You think it's very simple and it's not. You want to reduce it to one argument and you cannot do that.

Wisdom comes with time. Come back later after you've done more and know more.
I'm clearly not an idiot. That was rude.

>>76379577
You're a narcissistic midwit. You would've been better off drinking yourself into a potato

>>76379552
Thanks for sharing, anon
>>76379562
Stfu

>>76379562
I'm answering a question posed by an anon who wants to stop drinking. I'm sorry you're offended by long posts. I don't understand your lazy brand of anti-intellectual sentiment. You seem to prefer like old Twitter where there was a character limit or something. You read it. You cared enough to comment on it.
Do you have any justification for your post or your attitude? I bet you're just a drunk asshole who resents his inability to quit. You're bitter. Don't shoot the messenger, pal.

>>76379588
WTF is your issue? Do you want to talk about it?

>>76375436 (OP)
Ruined my life.
Still drink myself to death every 2-3 days.
At least I'm starting therapy this week...

>>76379591
>>76379592
You are just completely up your own ass and not smart enough to realize how dumb you are. And then you start projecting again
>I bet you blahblahblah
I thought AA teaches you retards to be humble? Clearly you need a meeting ASAP.

>>76379598
Good for you. You're getting help and you're not drinking every single day. I would get there at the end where one night drunk was so bad I was hungover and recovering for 2-3 days. That was more likely to happen on weekends or after a night out where instead of vodka and Lite Gatorade I'd be doing shots of whiskey and Flaming Dr. Peppers and smoking joints outside with people and just getting more wild.
I had it down to a science with the impurities and mixers to reduce hangovers as best I could while still drinking insane amounts. But going out would fuck all that up because everything is a grand adventure and a great idea and camaraderie with my "friends" determined all sorts of bad outcomes.

And I know you didn't ask. Part of staying sober comes from constantly reminding yourself of how bad it was. The "war stories". I didn't like AA much because they tried to focus more on the recovery and less on the hard times, but I need those rough reminders to stay sober. I've been really thinking about trying to drink again lately.

This thread is helping me out even if it's pissing some people off. The whole recovery group thing really is a selfish endeavor.

It's to keep myself sober that I will talk to other drunks and junkies endlessly about the subject. It's only inadvertently a kindness to them.

>>76379615
You're an obnoxious faggot and your sponsor would slap you

>>76379590
You're welcome. Good luck with it. Plenty of resources. Take the good things and leave the rest.

>>76378650
huh? I don't drink anymore. But I love the feeling of being drunk. I'd only drink situationally now but I dont go looking for those situations really. I take whatever lifestyle I'm leading at the time and do my best. At this time that means no alcohol.

>>76379503
This guy was unironically an alcoholic who accidentally killed himself falling off the balcony during one of his alcoholic binges.

>>76379552

>and finally settling on good old weed.

Harm reduction, bro. People can say that's liberal bullshit, and I hate woke faggots as much as the next guy, but if it works, it works. The real crazy AA types will say that it's "marijuana maintenance" and you aren't "doing the work," but if smoking weed keeps you from guzzling vodka and pounding your liver into oblivion every day, it's a huge improvement.

I don't even like weed, I get paranoid and anxious when I smoke it (except hash, I used to know a boomer who would make old-school pressed hash and that shit always made me feel great), but I respect what it can do for people.

I know a lot of people who used to be full-on dope fiends, but now they just smoke weed all day. They're lazy potheads now, but if it keeps them from robbing people for dope money, let them smoke weed.

>>76379615
Smoking makes the hangover significantly worse

>>76379615
You'd probably be less of a faggot if you had a drink dude.

>>76375436 (OP)
I can drink like 10 shots in an hour beers are legit pwo for me since it does maybe -50% gains for 20 minutes while the buzz is halfway nice

>>76377873
A 6-pack per day isn't really an alcoholic. I'd say you're a legit alcoholic when you're drinking a bottle of spirits everyday, or even more than that.

>>76379722
Ill only have 1 beer today and im perfectly sane

>>76379730
>only have 1 beer
You're a fucking psycho.

>>76379733
What you cant go a month without a beer you drunkad idiot? Lookna me im gay i drinkbakcohol im farting and shutting and pissing everywhere get a grip psycho.

>>76375436 (OP)
Pretty enjoyable but like everything needs to be done in moderation. Observe any negatives effect and if they start to show more prevalently slow down until they subside. Some people suck at drinking and should not do much at all.

>>76379741
You sound drunk asf

>>76375508
Low IQ detected you should stay away from it.
>>76375499
bread

>>76379744
Better than being a homo

>>76378687
I was drinking a 6-pack by midday everyday as recently as two-months ago.

>>76379744
Im sorry when im drunk i get into a testosterone induced mania, i have since stopped getting drunk at the bar and pissing onto everyone and feeling up boobies and getting into fights.

>>76379185
>If they can't control their drinking they are alcoholic; even if they can go days, weeks, months without drinking.
How absurd. You mean to say if I can go weeks or months without drinking alcohol at all, but then one night I cut loose and drink a whole bottle of Jack Daniels by myself; that I'm an alcoholic?

>>76379756
>you recovered from alcoholism in 2 minutes
I won the fight and got to fuck the booby girl

So hard to give up, the boredom is real.

>>76379750
how'd you feel when you stopped

>>76379745
I do mostly but when I do enjoy myself. You sound pretty butthurt about that.

>>76379750
6pack of 5%? Id just get sick trying to get drunk on beer youre drunk on life.

>>76379701
>liberal bullshit, woke faggots

huh?

>>76379758
Not necessarily. Is your intention to drink the entire bottle? If you can't control it, you have a problem. If it's interfering with your life and you can't stop, it's a problem.
You're looking for hard and fast, absolute rules to go by so you can argue with them but it doesn't work like that. I don't know if you're an alcoholic. How did you feel the day after that bottle? Did you feel regret or remorse, like you did something wrong? If you set out to drink a whole bottle and did, then woke up and thought it was pretty cool, I'd say you don't have any problems.

There's nothing absurd being argued. Really only you can determine whether or not you're an alcoholic. I know when I was practicing I was very defensive about it.

>>76378441
>fucking hippies
I fucking hate hippies with a passion as well but doing gardening and hobbyist projects high is grounding, makes you present, and far far better than drinking, gaming, or posting in this peanut gallery.

>>76379758
If you wanted that Jack to last the weekend and you drank it in a night thats not good

>>76379798
Yeah, it's not like doing things hippies also might do makes one a hippie. The thinking on 4chan is very, very simplistic and antagonistic.

>>76379786
Dude shut the fuck up. You've done a complete 180 within a few hours. Go to a meeting NOW and stop being a retard on the internet.

>>76379758
Being stressed about not drinking is honestly worse, maybe try getting it out of your system and not trying to limit yourself. Youre developing a pretty bad mental addiction, you gotta get bored of it as if you arent in jail deprived of shit.

>>76379804
Im supposed tonbelieve that breakfast steak and like 3-4 shots and a bunch of weed isnt the best way to be lifting heavy twice in a day get a real lifting coach who doesnt wear bikinis and do their hair.

>>76379758
It means you don't know how do moderate which is the problem

>>76379804
lol, you keep trying to pick a fight because you don't like me but you have no argument. I'm sorry it stings so much, whatever I wrote. Have another drink.

>>76379803
You're telling me, anon. I sincerely hope a lot of these posters are bots; I couldn't imagine meeting assholes like this irl.
Just a bunch of psychic vampires.

Probably a symptom of chronic alcohol abuse and lack of awareness. They likely have low-vibration negative entity attachments to them. Shit's real.

>>76379615
Keep fighting the good fight anon.

>>76379837
Yeah, I'm starting to see it for what it is and not get sucked into the arguments. It's on most boards. They find sincere discussions, many involving lots of words, and this display of sincerity and getting along and just want to shit on it. They'll enter a thread and just start attacking with zero point to it. Just "OMG what a faggot you are, KYS now. Go back, boomer, tranny, jew, etc.."
Ignoring them actually works. I'm not sure I believe in 'bots' so much, but it's probably because I don't want it to be true. I'd be very disappointed to learn I'd spent real time arguing with software. lol

>>76379836
>have another drink
More projection from a brain damaged retard who never learned any humility. You NEED to go back to AA. Call your sponsor. Do your steps.

Alcohol is for people who hate themselves or are afraid of being themselves. If you can't socialize with your group without alcohol, both you and your "friends" are alcoholics.

>>76379852
This, totally. There's something wrong inside. And it's there whether you drink or not. I still have whatever that is bothering me. I just realized I no longer have to kill myself with booze to live with it.

>>76379852
Sounds like you hate yourself and project that onto other people. Why else would you make these baseless assumptions?

>>76379861
You're really protective of your drinking. Defensive of anything you perceive as a denouncement of what you can't stop doing to yourself. It's a pleasure watching you work.

>>76379847
>I'd be very disappointed to learn I'd spent real time arguing with software. lol
kek, you make a point. Perhaps they're paid by the hour to shitpost, or, much worse, do it for free. Choosing not to reply nor engage is probably the best thing one can do. Low energy muppets who are emotionally stunted.

>>76379852
Yeahbits bad for you but how ling have you been not drinking youre the alcoholic a least spiritually

>used to get shitfaced every weekend
>so much that I got a bit worried for a while
>get back into weed after like 11 years last November
>barely ever drink anymore, like ~5 times since then
>only got drunk once since
>tried a beer I really used to love on sunday and could barely finish it because I thought it tasted like shit

I think drinking is fine in moderation but it have withnessed it destroy plenty of people and think you should be really careful to control your drinking before it controls you.

>>76379877
who is this gook insect

>>76379877
This is like an aa meeting for bodybuilding where a bunch of lean people on steroids tell you you need to stop gaining so much fucking mass

>>76375720
Oh so thats why ive been craving chocolate every day

>>76375436 (OP)
Hard drug that is worse than heroin in many ways. Only socially accepted for historical and cultural reasons, mostly because it's naturally occuring, easy to dose and easy to produce even with primitive technology and its (long obsolete) role is water purification before germ theory.

There is no justifiable reason to use it today. I'd say that, based on the results of prohibition, it's accurate to say society as a whole is addicted to it after thousands of years of using.

Even animals will seek out fermented fruits for the alcohol to get drunk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreational_drug_use_in_animals#Alcohol

>>76379865
More projection from a hateful retard. Look at you. This is not a happy person.

>>76379893
>retarded animals with no ability to form abstract thoughts develop a substance dependency
>therefore i should do it too
Eat your own shit and get raped by your father while you're at it for a complete animal experience.

>>76379898
You're on fire, dude. lol

>>76379879
Wogny

>>76379883
Alcohol is just sugars to your body. Even if you're not a big sweets person your body is used to getting it. So when boozers quit they get into candy and pastries and stuff. Even if you put on some weight it's still healthier for you than the constant pickling of your organs.

>>76379908
Interesting. I think dehydration is also an issue for heavy drinkers your body cant store enough water to combat it seemingly. If I go hard my face will shed dead skin and I get more dandruff.

gimme drink

>>76379908
It makes me hungry as shit and more energetic for a bit typically done in the gym after 30mins but the session is legit and im sober after i stop drinking for 5-20mins since i eat a lot with it. Youre fucking up your body eating less when drinking to lose weight try working harder in the gym because of your "food addiction."

>>76379928
Are you having a stroke?

>>76379898
You don't do anything other animals do. Not even put your dick in a pussy.

>>76379908
Alcohol lowers blood sugar

>>76379926
Wish I could have a cold beer. It seems so nice. But it would become an entire case and I'd be sick for two days. Still, sometimes I rationalize a relapse so I can "remind myself" that I shouldn't drink. The trap there is of course that anything could happen. I could end up driving to get more alcohol or some food I want and risk a DUI, an accident, killing myself or others, fucking PRISON. I know people who went to prison over drunken shit. I have to have this discussion with my addiction every time I think "a beer would be nice". Of course it all takes place in just a few seconds, but I do have to do it. That's where the work comes in. The first few weeks and months it can be hard to not give in to that craving.

>>76379946
Sounds like torture.

>>76379946
What happens if you suck one cock? You suck off your whole city?

>>76379940
>You don't do anything other animals do.
Unlike you i have the mental capacity to determine whether something an animal does is beneficial, now get off the the computer and dive into that toilet bowl and call your dad, be the dumb animal you revere so much, be consistent in your double digit IQ logical fallacies.
>Not even put your dick in a pussy
Just ask your mom if you have any doubts. That beer belly won't do you any favors in that department, either.

>>76379977
>your mom
You are 100% a virgin and not even old enough to drink. Don't worry you'll get invited to a party one day. If you stop being such a faggot.

>>76375436 (OP)
I feel like it really depends on who you're drinking with. Maybe it s an age thing. But beer and alochol doesn't hit the same vs back in college. I just get dehydrated followed by a headache nowadays. Maybe I need to drink with some cute girls around.

>>76379985
>gets this trigger by ur mom joke
I'm sorry I didn't know she really has this many miles of dick on her snatch odometer, must be a sensitive topic for you. Did you get FAS as your first birthday gift too?

>>76379952
No, it's a few seconds time. Torture would be getting trapped back in a cycle of active alcoholism again. I probably wouldn't survive more than five years of it.

>>76380013
You're not helping your case little boy.

>>76379977
Imagine being a 15 year old shut-in and even having any opinions on drinking and pretending you know anything about pussy. Where is your dad at?

>>76380039
I will take that as a yes.
>>76380049
>Where is your dad at?
Probably fucking your mom too, knowing her.

>>76380053
Imagine sperging like this because someone called you a virgin. You are fucked little buddy.

>>76375527
You can, you just don't want to for fuck sake. You'll feel like shit for a couple months and you don't want to feel shit so you "can't" stop. Every day for months you're gonna deprive yourself of that dopamine rush, the idea being eventually you'll feel better. That's suffering and you're too much of a pussy to put yourself through that.

>>76379977
>>76380013
>>76380053
this is the cringiest shit I've ever seen

>>76379887
It's not just socially accepted, it's deeply woven into culture. While it's one of the worst drugs IMO

>has calories
>physically dangerous withdrawals
>hangovers
>fucks with your sleep
>fucks your liver up
>carcinogen

And somehow if you're not drinking you're asked if you have a medical issue or something. Meanwhile even in a relatively liberal society (Holland) I wouldn't tell my colleagues about doing drugs at all outside of admitting I have "tried" weed.

It's literally like picrel except that's a 30 year old movie.

I am now on ADHD meds, so keep in mind I'm technically always on hard drugs, but I find myself choosing to do less or no drugs or alcohol more and more. Recently even went to a techno club and actually had a great time. Probably because it's one of the few spaces that aren't alcie-dominated. I also had a pretty good time at a muslim wedding. The fact that there's alcohol kind of makes it seem like you actually need that shit to be less inhibited or something. Like, if you drink and you look dumb while dancing, it's because you had a few too many drinks, not because you're weird.

I don't really care for massive changes politically/culturally tho. I think a lot of the alcies are still retards without the alcohol.

>>76376054
>I'm a fag I like dicks

>>76380429
>While it's one of the worst drugs IMO
In no world is that even close to being true
>I am now on ADHD meds
lmao

>>76375436 (OP)
Fucking hate it because it tastes like I'm drinking bug spray. Not interested in any other effects it may have. I'm in my 20s and I've never been drunk and will probably never drink again.

>>76381175
Grow up

>>76381178
go to rehab you fucking junkie loser

>>76379318
The best deterrent to drinking for me is the thought of having to participate in one of these "cults". Forced positive recovered drunks are more insufferable than actual drunks. The AA all or nothing approach works for some, but as you mentioned it can't handle any minor deviations from the "plan".
I've seen the type before: robotic people who recite mantras and platitudes non stop. Being so unrealistically positive and upbeat that they lose all ability to think critically and and minor unplanned upset in life destroys them, where as a normal, realistic, mildly cynical person would have seen it coming.

>>76381197
Don’t need it. Perhaps you’re projecting your own inability to control yourself? Paired with your insecurity?

>today was a non drinking day
>already downed 3 shots of bourbon
>work tomorrow, have to stop drinking now

being a wageslave is hell on earth

>>76375436 (OP)
wish i still enjoyed it, i never drink anymore and i know it results im me missing out on fun stuff but i just don't like it anymore. not just the hangover but it makes me feel bad

>>76379333
I literally just don't want any more after 1 or 2 beers, almost ever. I like having "a beer" and have for years, but I don't even know how people go through a whole 6 pack at once. By half way through beer 3 it just feels like "ugh, yeah that's enough" and that's it for me. It really depends for me on that note how often I drink. Will go a month or more without it sometimes just not in the mood, then may have a week or 2 where I feel like a beer or 2 each day at the end of the day, where it just sounds like "yeah I could go for one." Not much more to it than that.

>hate beer
>hate cider
>enjoy bourbon
Why is this

>>76382454
Carbonation?
I also strongly prefer spirits at around room temp. I do not have the thirst to drink enough beer or cider to actually get drunk in an afternoon.

>>76375508
I'm like this but with cigarettes. Know plenty of people who will smoke socially and can just not touch their cigs until the next outing. I quit for 5 months one time cold turkey, had some drinks with my buddies and smoked a cigar. The next day it was like I was back at square one

>>76376129
current girlfriend is an alcoholic and we used to drink alot. then one day she got too drunk, started freaking the fuck out screaming and crying because I said I didn't like billie eilish, spiraled into punching me while I was trying to get her to calm down, ripped her clothes off and went running in the street screaming "HELP ME" at 4am and I had a nice long talk with cops.

So yeah now I just drink alone quite a bit.

I dont get alcohol. I dont get the point
Beer tastes like shit, whiskey tastes like shit, the only drink that tastes good is wine.
I dont like the sensation of being drunk. Truly, like the other anon said, if you like being drunk theres something wrong. I was drunk like 2 or 3 times in my life and at that point i had some major issues. I dont anymore so i dont drink anymore. To get batshit drunk every friday and saturday, insane

I used to drink weekly but I don't sleep enough due to overtime at work so I mostly stopped because alcohol fucks with your sleep in such a blatant measurable way. I drink only whenever I have some longer time off from work now.
Like seriously it was genuinely surprising when I started using a smartwatch with sleep tracking that I'd drink a lot of water, sleep long, wake up with no hangover, but the stats still said non-restorative sleep, every time I drank.

>>76381072
Yes it is true, look up violent crime statistics and their relation to alcohol midwit

>>76381072
>In no world is that even close to being true

>ethanol
>high addiction potential
>high toxicity to the liver, brain, cardivascular system and others
>withdrawal is both highly unpleasant and potentially lethal
>overdose highly lethal without adulterants
>being under the influence has high association with reckless behavior, including but not limited to violence, crime, traffic accidents, etc.
>little to no clinical use outside of emergency treatment of methanol poisoning in the absence of fomepizole
>directly associated with severe pregnancy risks, like FAS

>heroin
>high addiction potential
>low organ toxicity
>withdrawal is highly unpleasant but rarely fatal
>adulterants are a major contributor to lethality
>being under the influence associated with just sedation, effects internalized
>still used in clinical settings in some countries as an analgesic
>not known to cause any direct teratogenic damage to fetal organs
The only reason heroin is considered more dangerous is that it's easier to overdose and it's rarely pure. If you could buy properly dosed, pure diamorphine at the grocery store like you can with ethanol, it would be vastly preferable.

>>76375447
This but 30 years worth

>>76375436 (OP)
Been drinking every week for 23 years now. I make it a point not to drink during the week but I do suffer from mild withdrawal most days. It's not bad but I never feel good physically.

>>76384142
Dont need to
>>76384405
Its not drunks who are ODing on the street its not drunks who suck dick to get more beer its not drunks who rip copper out of walls to get more. Anyone who thinks alcohol is the worst doesn't leave their house or know anything.

>>76384463
>Its not drunks who are ODing on the street
It is though, visit your local drunk tank sometime, or just read the statistics. At least heroin addicts can be justified because more likely than not what they're taking is spiked with fent and it's impossible to dose right. Drunks have all the benefits in the world, the ethanol content is tightly regulated and clearly communicated, oral administration is nearly impossible to fuck up yet drunks still drink themselves to death.
> its not drunks who suck dick to get more beer its not drunks who rip copper out of walls to get more.
Only because heroin being illegal drives up the cost. In settings where ethanol is also highly controlled, like prisons, inmates do suck dick to get more beer. In fact they even go as far as butt chugging their alcohol to get more drunk with less product.
>Anyone who thinks alcohol is the worst doesn't leave their house or know anything.
You have no rational arguments and are incapable of distingushing between the objective effects of the substances themselves and social structures built around them. Extremely low quality posting.

>>76384478
>It is though
No its not its not even in the same ball field. Your implication that you can OD on alcohol and heroine the same really says it all.
>in prison
Meaningless point.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and have never been around people with different afflictions. Heroin addicts coke heads etc are all much worse than drunks. Around the world its legal to drink but none of those others for very obvious.

>>76385241
>No its not its not even in the same ball field.
Correct, there are way more drunks, and they act way worse.
>Your implication that you can OD on alcohol and heroine the same really says it all.
You can OD on both, you can not OD on both, it's a matter of dosing. Again heroin is literally still used in hospitals in some countries, no one is dying from it, because it's pure and dosed correctly.
>Meaningless point.
No retard, it's a crucial point. Controlling an addictive substance makes it harder to get, more expensive and the addicts more desperate, it's not an inherent property of any particular drug, it has everything to do with regulations.
>You clearly have no idea what you are talking about
You are making zero actual points and you have no arguments.
>Heroin addicts coke heads etc are all much worse than drunks.
Heroin addicts go to fucking sleep when they use, drunks will run someone over on their way to beat their wife and rape their child. You're in denial.
>Around the world its legal to drink but none of those others for very obvious.
see >>76379887 If heroin was as easy to make and administer as ethanol is and it was discovered thousands of years ago, we would probably have it in grocery stores now. It was just too late to the party.

>>76382564
at some point nicotine is easy to quit but it is nearly impossible to quit soon after going back to it or quit right after getting hooked for the first time. you usually need a long pattern of negative events to stop

>>76385442
Yeah bro people are going to shoot up legal heroine and not take way more than they need and try to fuck girls at heroine bars or go bowling. Touch grass retard.

>>76387193
Nah he's right. As a substance alcohol is absolutely the worst, the difference is normal people drink, what kind of people are willing to try hard drugs after being told over and over they will ruin everything and kill you?
But majority of hard drug users are still fine functional individuals, you just never see them because the only person on earth that knows is their dealer.

>>76387444

>>76387456
Alcohol is objectively worse and it's not even close.
>disinhibition
>emotional enhancement
>ego inflation
>irritability
>delusions of sobriety
This unique combination of effects is very, very bad, and it shows in the statistics.

>>76387569
How is this calculated? Is it controlled for per capita usage? I don't doubt that alcohol is worse but I strongly suspect it's because there are vastly more alcohol users