>this is 250mg of test for 1 year
>i have been lifting for 2 years, 1 natty 1 juiced
>im extremely poor and live in brazil
>i dont take any supplements (creatine and whey are scams)
>all i eat is whatever the fuck my mom makes
>i dont track calories or lifts at the gym
>all ive done for programming is arnold split and ppl 6 days a week
>yes, i roided for this and will keep roiding, the zyzz legacy cant die
that is all

looks like shit

>>76388789
post body (you wont)

You skin looks like shit, macaco.

>>76388858
I still look better than you DYEL

>roiding to have a body of a natty lifter
Pathetic.
When you stop this shit you will go back to dyel land.

>>76388865
no natty looks like this

>i'm chemically castrating myself and nuking my endocrine system for life but I least I look good until I need to eventually hop off

>roiding for this
Roidtrannies are so pathetic. If you get the chance you should kill yourself.

>>76388774 (OP)
Unironically looks good. I bet you crush tons of brazilian pussy.

Dudes are just mad that they're not using test. OP if you want to get extra good looking add primo to your stack

>>76388774 (OP)
Looks good but steroids will hurt your heart

Lmao are you still a friendless virgin tho?

>>76388879
Correct. Even natty lifters for over a decade and super strong, they still won't look as good as OP does in 1 year

you could have that same effect of 250mg of test by just leaving brazil
>no stress fucking you up because you don't have to worry about getting robbed at gun point or some monkey invading your house
>you can have 9 hours of deep sleep because there are no neighbors playing shitty music or loud as fuck bikes

>>76388880
Ball shrinkage is a meme, I've blasted for years if anything my dick looks bigger now

>>76388774 (OP)
You should have mini lifting blocks of like a few days around injections day 1 being say bench day 2 is like incline or whatever you get the idea to maximize protein synthesis over the few days it peaks. You should be seemingly gaining more muscle st that dose.

>>76388913
Living in an extremely dangerous country will raise ur test, everytime I walk outside I can't relax because there can be some nig lurking in the shadows awaiting to jump me

No wonder test levels in US and EU are so low, niggas are too emaciated cuz they don't have to deal with third world imminent danger

>>76388774 (OP)
pretty body
wrong way

>>76388917
>Ball shrinkage is a meme, I've blasted for years if anything my dick looks bigger now
That's because your nuts shrunk making your dick appear bigger. Absolute imbecile.

>>76388945
Go look at Connor Murphy porn vid fucking the tranny, his balls are massive

>>76388945
Not that anon but I just take HCG and my nuts remain hyuge

>>76388952
link

you have the strength base now do primo and cut

>>76388952
Post cycle therapy can increase ball size.

>>76388774 (OP)
I don't know what is better, enjoy 5-10 years of perfect body and drowning pussy and die by your 50s, or be an old jacked 65 years old Chad with money and drowning in 20 years old pussy.

>>76389035
No chance, primo is way too expensive in Brazil and finding it is also too hard, it's always fake shit I probably should do mast, deca or tren for my next blast

>>76389055
This also implies you can't be drowning in pussy while being natty. which arguably, most women find roiders repulsive.

>>76389055
You can't be 65yo and jacked without roids

>>76388880
Nothing you said is correct. It is reversible and low risk. Stay a beta crabs poster tho.

>>76389055
it's the opposite in real life anyway, the guys drowning in pussy in their 20s aren't roided, and the oldfags drowning in 20yo pussy aren't jacked, they're ugly mfs networked into places with that access

>>76389064
Ridiculous. They dislike uberjacked pro bodybuilders with GH and insulin look, they LOOOVE jacked casual Chads.

>>76389055
you are literally mentally ill
i spent 20-30 living in/near campus/trained at uni gyms/clubbing etc and there is ZERO correlation with having a roided body and drowning in pussy.

the vast majoirty like 99,999999999% of 9-10/10 ig whores dated just slim/athletic guys. im talking like muscle mass that is achievable natty in 3-6 months of lifting and then 10-12% bodyfat. the roidmonkey phenotype attracts mostly lower class people like your average temptation / island plastic bimbo or the good old jersey shore

>>76389055
The first one. You're going to be too old to enjoy the second one and by the time you're 65 they're going to raise the age of consent to 25 and make it illegal to have an age gap relationship bigger than 10 years

>>76389064
Normies, especially girls, would legit have 0% clue of OP being on roids, he isn't big enough and normies are freaking stupid

A gym girl could probably have some suspicion due to his boulder shoulders but if he claimed natty she would probably believe

>>76389062
Just get online source to ship. You don't need that shit, just get lean and aesthetic. Is it easier to find Var?

>>76389097
They like guys that are at their natty limit or SARM goblins. They don't like guys that go on test/tren/deca

>>76389081
Being on testosterone shortens your life expectancy. You're trading quality of life for years of life. It's a common side of TRT, being on high levels of test will increase your risk of a heart attack

>>76389112
Var is 10x easier to find, only pros in here have a good contact for REAL primo, I buy my test online and it gets delivered thru Brazilian FedEx, but people on telegram groups always talk about primo being faked and I'm not rich either to pay 200$ for a vial of legit primo you also need to do higher doses for primo to be worth which makes the vial go out pretty fast

>>76388774 (OP)
that's cute and all but once you put on a t-shirt and pump fades away you'll still look like dyel

>>76388774 (OP)
you look great man, can i ask why you decided to start pinning? did you have low test or did you just want to have really high test?

>>76388774 (OP)
go down to 150-175mg
arms/shoulder/chest is a little to big
make gym maintenance volume
do more cardio
enjoy life more

gg congrats you won at lifting

>>76388774 (OP)
You look BRbro, don't worry about the fats here

>>76388774 (OP)
You look great, good body composition, you could just use a little tan.

>>76389055
You will be neither.

>>76389125
>They like guys that are at their natty limit or SARM goblins. They don't like guys that go on test/tren/deca
You know you can just run test/deca/eq from the get go and just speedrun your way into peak fake natty build in 2 years instead of 8 then maintain on moderate dose cruise and they won't tell? Why does everyone assume that the moment you touch steroids you will instantly blow up to 300 pounds lean lol.

>>76389198
I wasn't making any gains as a natty

>>76388774 (OP)
the shoulders are really the biggest give away, you can't have round shoulders natural and everybody who implies you can is literally retarded.

>>76389318
Arms and forearms while being that lean is also not achievable natty

>>76389325
Yes also would be interesting to see your natty form. >>76388774 (OP)

>>76388774 (OP)
fuck tha haters bro all you did was accelerate your progress with 0 downsides, nothing wrong with that.

>op posts his story/end result
>autists for some reason argue whether something is achievable naturally or not
why does it matter
he mogs 99% of this board now

>>76389398
because he cheated you stupid american, if he stops taking test he won't look like this.

>>76389246
Most guys don't know that much about steroids when they start and will likely follow shit advice like "500 test and stfu" and not even use any ancillaries.

>>76389413
>because he cheated you stupid american
cheated who? you're not competing him

>if he stops taking test he won't look like this.
he won't and he doesn't have to stop
also you won't look like you lift either if you stop lifting and dieting, what's your point
nothing is permanent

>>76389415
it's not a shit advice tho you can blast 500 on a first cycle to maximize the gains with no sides if you're an otherwise healthy person and first time
500 isn't actually 2x the 250 because anabolic effects of steroids are not linear
having 2x, 4x or 8x the natty levels of testosterone does not actually translate to 2x, 4x, or 8x gains

>>76389419
>cheated who? you're not competing him
Himself, it's a character weakness to give into the easy way. By that logic, you defend every lair and cheater.

>>76389425
his goal was to achieve his goal faster, so he used the tools that allow him to
one of the traits of an intelligent person is using the tools available at their disposal to achieve their goals

I wouldn't pick a slow car if I could pick a fast car to get to my destination faster
I wouldn't pick a car ride if I could book a plane flight
I wouldn't stock shelves at tesco instead of running my own business if I wanted to buy a house

losers seethe, people who chase their goals and achieve them win
stay losing

>>76389413
The world isn't a freakin game with cheating rules you imbecile, you're literally playing against urself

>OP thinks we can't tell he's samefagging.

>>76389425
>it's a character weakness to give into the easy way
Why do you sleep in your bed instead of on the concrete floor?
Why do you live in a house instead of an outdoor shack you've built?
Why do you buy your groceries from a store instead of hunting your food down?
You're weak. Your mental is weak. You've given into the easy way.

Can you imagine someone being such a loser who can't build their own body without the drugs doing it for them?

>>76388880
did the person who molested you roid? is that why you seethe in every thread about juicing?

>>76389419
>>76389435
>>76389440
>roid monkey goes ballistic when you tell him he's cheating

it's fine, some will acknowledge you. [spoiler]as cheater LOL[/spoiler]

>>76389423
Correct but I believe the standard "just do 500mg bro" advice is naive, once you start ramping up ur test on 250mg/wk then you can have 2k+ ng/dL with little to no sides while still having a good enough physique and without having to worry about estradiol and other annoying side effects 500mg will 100% bring.

I believe the best approach is to start at 250 and see how you feel and look with it for at least 16-20 weeks, after that if you are satisfied with how you look then you can probably cruise on 200mg or bit less, if you are unsatisfied then you can go higher with 400-500.

>>76389464
>dumb reddit nigger doesn't even know spoiler doesn't work
Kek, so I guess the people seething at roiders are just low t reddit natties who get extremely butthurt, that makes way more sense now!

Shit thread, shit bait roidfag

>>76389465
imo it depends entirely on genetics and your response to gear
if you can get away with 250mg then sure what you're saying works but I feel most people won't even feel that much of a difference aside from energy levels/stable mood running that dose

>>76388952
>go watch tranny p*rn

No. Lmao.

>>76389425
You're retarded. If he was in competition in a paid sport or a fighter I would agree but dude is just trying to look good.

>>76389480
This world is a competition itself, imagine if OP stayed as a skinny DYEL, many doors and legs wouldn't have opened to him. Men nowadays are low T due to jew micro plastics and societal castration, taking test is only taking back what they took away from you.

>>76389492
>This world is a competition itself
ok, so in that case, you're seething because you get outcompeted by people who are willing to do what it takes to stay ahead
while you expect to get participation awards

>>76389492
OP he's Brazilian, what door are open for him? I've seen half of the world already because I was born rich, he was probably never in a plane. That's the hard truth, his body won't change anything. Only where and when you are born.

>>76389125
I'm watching my 90 year old grandpa tell all our family how bad he wants to just die. He's been saying this shit since he was 75.
I have no interest in being that old. Fuck shitting in a diaper when you could go out making the world a slightly better place (hint, it's not voting) for the brown masses that will inherit the west.

>>76389512
He can sex unlimited prime latina pussy and hot trannies if that's what you like, that is worth it enough

>>76389517
>>76389125
>>76389055
>glad I lifted 6x a week for 65yrs.webm
This is the inevitable sad future for all the anons waiting for their natty gains or to roid at an older age.

>>76389081
>It is reversable and low -ACKK

>>76388774 (OP)
>im extremely poor and live in brazil
>creatine and whey are scams
Third wo retardation checks out

>>76389553
Both creatine and whey are significantly less efficacious for lean gains than steroids and they are both significantly more expensive than testosterone.
He actually did the smart thing for being poor, he got the best bang-for-the-buck option.

>>76389553
He's not wrong, creatine is expensive as shit and it does fuck all other than turning you into a bloated putterfish and making you bald, whey also expensive, you're better off eating actual food and buying more eggs. If you think about it roiding is cheaper than trying to be a perfect natty getting scammed by bigsupp.

>>76389558
For the record, I don't know the prices in Brazil but I can get a 10mL 300mg/mL vial of test for the equivalent of $20 USD here.
He ran it for 52 weeks, at 250mg/week, for a total of 13 grams of test. You'd need 4 and a bit vials to cover the entire cycle, rounding up to 5, for a total of $100~ for the entire year, or just about $8 a month.
He's also lean and the dose is so low he wouldn't need any AIs.
And a box of needles and syringes costs pennies.

>>76389588
For comparison, if I go to the American amazon, one of the most popular whey offers is 73 servings for $80 (for a shitty flavor, good ones cost more). If taken daily, you would need almost 5 containers, for a total of $400.
The most popular offer for Creatine is $23 for a tub of 500g, so you would need 4 of these to cover the year, so that's another $69.
The total tally is $469 per year (or roughly $40/month) for Creatine + Whey and just $100 per year (or roughly $8/month) for Testosterone at that dose. So not only it is 5x cheaper, but it also gets you far better results.

>>76389588
>>76389602
That is kinda crazy how cheap test is in the US, here in Brazil it isn't that expensive either but if you try to but whey + creatine that'd be a vial of 10ml/250mg test, creatine and whey would be slightly more expensive.
Most of the gear we use in Brazil come from Paraguay since selling and having roid pharmacies there is legal, there's Brazilian underground gear which is waaay cheaper but I'm always skeptical about the quality, some say it can be under/over dosed so I choose to pay a lil bit extra for a safer product.

>>76388774 (OP)
Roids is like the opposite of an investment. You realize all of your profits immediately but get taxed heavily later on.

>>76388774 (OP)
Did your balls entirely atrophy? Is your body even capable of producing test on its own now if you go off cycle? I think you shut it down entirely.

>>76389631
Roids are like a loan you won't have to pay off because we all die in the end so who cares.

>>76389691
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>76389703
No I'm genuinely curious because I'm on 250mg of test a week for 5 weeks now and I'm debating whether I should end it in 5 more weeks or keep going.

>>76389711
Your balls won't atrophy "entirely" and you would have to roid for a long ass time before you saw significant degree of atrophy. Initially they may shrink in volume by a lot and you may think that it will follow that rate but it's mostly because they're not as full, not because the actual tissue atrophied, the atrophy follows later but it's not as significant, I've been blasting for 2 years and they're not that much smaller than they initially were.
Also shutting down entirely really happens for people with very unfortunate genetics, or people who blasted drugs that suppress really hard (like tren cucking you for 6-8 months after you stop it), most men can recover naturally without even PCT after basic ass cycles, PCT is usually there to just speed up the process so it takes a few weeks before your test starts ramping up instead of months.

>>76389747
How much were you blasting for 2 years? Test e, cyp, or what? If you went off cycle do you think you'd lose most of your gains? Do you think you could recover your natural t levels?

>>76389693
>we all die in the end so who cares
If thats the case, why even try at all? You obviously care about your life if you arent giving up now, its only going to be suffering and struggle later on if you dont invest properly. Its like a child who partied through college only to end with no career and large debt after its all over.

>>76389081
>bucket crabs
>surely nothing won't happen to me-ACK!

Famous last words.

>>76389763
1st cycle was 400mg test enan
then I had 4 month break, lost some gains then stalled for a bit before making progress again but the gains i had after losing some were still better than i would have made in that time naturally (trained for 3 years natty prior)
after 4 month I did bloodwork (blood counts, fsh, lh, test, lipids), my test levels were pretty much the same as before 1st cycle (withing 5-10% which is insignificant for natty levels)
2nd cycle was 600mg test enan, felt much better, idk, for some reason going from no test to 400mg test didn't feel as good as going from 400 to 600
after that i decided i dont want to come off anymore because why bother so i ran 150mg/week "trt" for a couple months but also did 500iu hcg during that time just to keep my balls working
now im at the end of my third cycle of 600 test e + 200mg eq

>>76389773
>If thats the case, why even try at all?
you're looking at it the wrong way
we only have one life and you will live through your 10s, 20s, 30s and so on only once
I want to enjoy my years age 20-50 to the fullest (jacked, energetic, traveling, engaging in my hobbies etc) and possibly die slightly younger, than just live a boring ass life like a cog in the machine while taking weird pride in that I wasted the best 30 years of my life just so I could say "at least I was natty"

>>76389773
>>76389805
also
> its only going to be suffering and struggle later
i'm not going to blast grams of gear like pro competitors, just sufficient quality of life doses, while also taking care of my other aspects of health (diet, cardio, and so on)
meanwhile, have you seen an average 70 year old that never did roids? are their lives really that good? not really, they're all geriatric, stuttering, complaining about joints, unable to properly move, that's the vast majority of people
is it really worth not enjoying my life when i'm young just to end up miserable either way?

dunno how anyone can defend roiding after all those roiders died of "covid"
oh wait yeah I do, low IQ

>>76389805
>>76389814
>i will end up miserable in the end anyway so why not mess it up now and be even more miserable than the normal miserable?
I mean if you want to take out many loans instead of just 1, go ahead. Nobody is going to care about you anyway other than yourself but you don't even seem to care about yourself anyway. Live now and suffer greatly later for you, id rather just live a normal life and relax later for the rest of it.
And yes, I do see older people who don't have health complications like the ones who did roids early on. Im just wondering why you want to go down that same path

>>76389902
>Live now and suffer greatly later
suffer greatly how though?

>>76388774 (OP)
You have good genes bro and good eating habits
You say you dont count calories but you're definitely not overeating, and you respond well to low dose test

>>76389795
How long was the first cycle the usual 10 to 12 weeks? Did you do any PCT?

>>76389946
no as i said in an earlier post the first cycle was 22 weeks (a bit over 5 months), I started hcg towards the end of the cycle (kinda wanted to start earlier because you can kinda kickstart your shit while still on gear) and i wanted it to saturate before the extra test is out of my system, idk how long i did pct for i only had a single vial, i think it was 5000iu total with 500ui/week so 2.5 months using it but i'm not sure if it already restarted my levels earlier or not i waited until around 4 month mark for bloodwork because i wanted to simply see what's my health at after my body got time to recover
ultimately tho your mileage may vary, different people react differently, you really won't find out how your body handles it until you try yourself

>>76389795
>>76389967
How good were ur gains on 400 Mili vanillies, anon?

>>76389987
not very good, I've always had slow progress for 3 years prior, so I didn't respond as well as I'd hoped for, but I also made much more gains (and kept a lot of it) than I'd have made naturally so all in all I'm happy with it
I was told to experiment with primo/mast etc instead which could give me better results or use them in combination with rad/lgd (the idea of it being that you supply your body with hormones and use sarms to make your body absorb the hormones better) but I don't want to run any DHT-derivates because at the age of 31 I have a full head of hair and I'd kinda hate to lose my hair, meanwhile on test (and later eq) I didn't really lose any hair

>>76390016
I feel like if you haven't lost any hair at that age even while doing test it is very unlikely you'd lose hair but I, too am scared of losing hair even tho I got a full head of hair at 27 so it's better be safe than sorry.

>>76388774 (OP)
>>76388901
He gets zero pussy. The dude is obviously overcompensating and LIVES WITH HIS MOM. All the test and lifting won't lift him out of poverty or gain him a personality.
His upper body does look good though.

>>76390016
I'm the guy who said he was on 250mg and I've seen great gains in the last 5 weeks, but tbf I've only been lifting for a year before this.

>>76390064
desu if it's your first cycle and you're not fat, you can go far longer, especially that 250mg is fuck all in terms of side effects so it won't have that much of negative impact on you

>>76390033
Holy cope, having a physique like that in the 3rd world is living life on easy mode, the latinas are horny semen demons throughout whole year with the sun frying their brains in need of insatiable sex

>>76390064
I'm thinking of doing 250mg at 27yo, lifting for almost 3 years now, how were ur first weeks on it, anon?

>>76389531
Damn, this is going to be me, i'm having regular sex with paid whores but that doesn't count

>>76390227
>wasting ur money on prostitutes and escorts when you could be wasting that money on roids and getting 10x more sex for free
ngmi

>>76389125
being low test is more unhealthy than pinning test
post your natty test levels
>>76389794
>posts guy abusing tren, party drugs, drinking
what does this have to do with low dose testosterone? tren is a whole different drug

>>76390033
>LIVES WITH HIS MOM
*takes care of his dying lonely mom. there. see how easy that was. just lie you pussy bitch.

>>76388774 (OP)
cute tummy :3
ignore the fatties

>>76388774 (OP)
does your mommy pay for your roids?
how much cock does she have to suck so you can be a fake natty?

>>76389747
Wow I never knew roiders also got delusional body dysmorphia about their balls too.
>My balls are basically the same size. I don’t have two tiny pistachios hanging from my dick. They are only a little below average testicle size!
It’s like the obese dad that looks in the mirror and thinks, yea I used to be a varsity athlete. If I drop ten pounds from my stomach I’ll be in shape again hahahahaha. Imagine having to also track your ball size every week. Fuck my testicles dropped 3 percent in volume, I need to cut back on the orals and get on pct a week early. That’s on top of constantly getting your blood work done, monitoring your organs, taking anti acne medication, and sticking a needle in your ass multiple times a week. All so some retarded bitch can go ohhh ahhhh when you take of your shirt the same way she does for a lean natty ahahahahahahaha.

>>76388774 (OP)
>roiding for this
You look like the average teenager who lifts for a year.
No muscle, no mass, weak af
Bro you’re so fucking retarded

>>76388904
who cares, let him die

>>76391262
I understand you prefer your sexual partners to have large testicles but not every guy on the internet has to accommodate for your homosexual preferences.

>>76388774 (OP)
Post hairline

>>76388774 (OP)
>creatine and whey are scams
Gr8 b8
Judging by your physique, test is, too

is 250mg test/week a lot? does that give you supraphysiological test levels?

I honestly don't know. It's a far cry from the gram+ pros take, obviously.

>>76391383
No teenager looks like this unless they roid, this is a physique you'd have to lift for 10 years to get as a natty.

>>76388774 (OP)
Roid trannies will roid to look like they dont even roid. Literal tranny behaviour

>>76391695
wtf he looks great. post body

>>76391708
I'm prescribed 200mg every 5 days. My levels peak at around 950 of test each blood draw. No complications other than that. No need to blast cruise or any other shit. Just my ez 200 every 5 day. It's a peaceful life

I was on test for awhile but it turned me into a fucking maniac sex pest and violent retard. Just 250 a week turned me completely deranged.

I finally stopped after I ripped a condom off and nutted inside of a disgustingly fat hog like those shame comics that get posed and threatened to kill her if she didn't keep my cum inside and get pregnant.

Post nut clarity did NOT exist for me, but I was able to contemplate what I had done a few days later after she texted me and begged me to come do that to her again and treat her even worse.

BE CAREFUL.

>>76389064
>women find hot muscular bodies repulsive
when will this fucking reddit bluepill meme die

>>76389465

>just take injections in your ass cheeks the rest of your life and be dependent on a doctor or dodgy drug dealer for the rest of your life bro

do you understand why we call you roid trannies?

holy the nattycuck seethe in this thread is so immense
take the L cucks

>>76389102
based for speaking truth

>>76388793

>>76392296
do you have any other advantages over a natty with a 950 ng/dL level? genuinely curious

>>76388952
>Go look at Connor Murphy porn vid fucking the tranny
pass

>>76389055
>be an old jacked 65 years old Chad with money and drowning in 20 years old pussy.
whoa there,Brad Pitt

>>76393006
OP mogs 99% of /fit/ and CBT while doing whatever the fuck he wants living in poverty.

Meanwhile you have /fit/ nattards who were born rich, they had the best parents with perfect diet and still look DYEL, such is life.

>>76393147
not him but I was in the 900s natty and dropped down to 800s on TRT, so technically I have less test on steroids than I had as a natty and I still feel better than I was natty
the problem with being natty is that 1-2 nights of bad sleep, stressful day, a few days of a bad diet, a night out etc will all lower your testosterone by a significant degree
obviously it bounces back but you have huge fluctuations, when you're enhanced and dial in your pinning frequence, you get much more stable levels, so you don't have these dramatic ups and downs, so long term you reap more ganis + you always feel good

>>76388917
>>76388952
>>76389041
clomiphene citrate, can also reverse dopamine damage from SSRIs that make u not respond to temperature making ur dick shrivel up and balls not drop

>>76389562
>creatine is expensive as shit and it does fuck all other than turning you into a bloated putterfish and making you bald
>>76393935
>dopamine damage from SSRIs
Yup still probably got brain damage from jew drugs
holy fug, yesterday I bought creatine, now it's sitting in my shelf, I took one dose then detoxed immediately
OP is right, it's MOSTLY BULLSHIT, eat healthy food, have healthy sleep, enjoy life, get gains. Only downside is the cycle.
Vid related, also a winner.

>>76388774 (OP)
>extremely poor
>250mg of test for 1 year
>creatine and whey are scams
>eat is whatever the fuck my mom makes

Smartest Brazilian

>>76389492
Prostitution is already legal in Brazil. He can just have some sex if he wants it that badly.

>>76389517
Depends on what you think happens when you die and your quality of life here. If your quality is shit I get it. If you think nothing is waiting for you I also get it.

>>76389693
Oh that's if you're lucky. If you're unlucky you just shut off your HPA for life and have to take TRT forever, have to get gyno surgery or get a ton of sides.

>>76395556
>If you're unlucky you just shut off your HPA for life and have to take TRT forever
is this supposed to be a con? why would anyone ever want to go to being fully natty?