Thread 76397624

>Who is /fat/ for?
For the sledding slobs working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.
Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/

>What do I do first?
1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/
2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy
3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.
4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php
5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).

>Now what?
Count calories, all of them.
Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.
Buy scales, be accurate.
Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.
Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.
Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.
Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. Not lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.
Drink more water.
Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

>DON'T
Eat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.
Eat processed foods.
Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, Starbucks).
Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks.
"Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.

>Other resources:
Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/
Reddit Wiki: https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/wiki/faq

Previous thread: >>76395068

>>76397624 (OP)
appreciate the nuns and ducks senpai.

Glad we agree that god is not real

>>76397691
it's awful. gives the threads a /vg feel

>>76397697
Grow up

>>76397700
>Grow up
says the cartoon sinful nuns enjoyer

>>76397691
>>76397700
why does it bother you some people would prefer the thread to be about losing weight, and not your niche web comic

>>76397697
>>76397725
coffee is getting more expensive. paid almost 20 dollars for my regular coffee at walmart. shit's only gonna get worse out there aint it.

>>76397740
are you buying coffee or the kcups?

>Getting all my daily recommended fiber
>Still poop only once every other day
Is it my 1500 cal deficit?

>>76397745
just something like this, 20z container, it's almost a dollar an ounce. used to be half that.

Fatty Contest

Eumenes
94.8kg
193cm

I lost 5 pounds last week just from taking kratom extracts and running 500 meters 2 times a day. Now I'm at 200

>>76397697
Respect your heritage boy.

Good day boys I finally worked up the courage to go to planet fatness. After paying them for five years for absolutely nothing I am now officially utilizing my membership again.

They used to give me shit saying I can only go 10 times a month because I signed up for for my black card at a different location but the girl who was there today told me not to worry about it and I can go as much as I want.

If you do cardio at a deficit you lose fat. If you lift weight at a surplus you gain muscle. Just saying if you do both you can’t really lose.

>>76397811
Nonsense

>>76397811
how do you a deficit and a surplus together?

>>76397840
I meant you should be doing weightlifitng and cardio.

>>76397846
Then why did you include those two modifiers?

>>76397840
If you lift weights (Progressive Overload ofc) on a deficit and are getting enough protein you will both lose fat and gain some muscle at the same time.
This is probably what that anon meant.

Man, i remember the time when i could go out to meet people wearing a tightfitting t-shirt, been fighting to get back to that state for close to a year now

>>76397851
Because the tip of my penis is missing

I'm slowly turning into a cardio bunny. A fat one, but a bunny still. Holy fuck. If I knew how fucking great cardio could feel like when I was younger I probably wouldn't be in this fatty hellscape.

The Jews really picked this general to shill in. Interesting.

>>76397878
Yeah bro, people never talk naturally about the things they buy and use
Its the fucking jews again goddamit Hitler was right

redpill me on doing fasted exercises

>>76397885
zero difference to unfasted exercise as long as calories are equated over long term periods
that's the redpill

>>76397882
t. Jew

>>76397697
fat loss is basically a videogame

Fags don’t even know the story of the pictures. Some gooner paid an artist to draw him X number of pictures of “nuns getting ducked” or something and the author cheekily fulfilled his order with the typo.

>>76397713
Anon wishes he were as cool as the nuns, he is just jealous because ducks don't like him

(Artist is Diva btw)

>>76397885
Probably no difference from regular cardio, but some really knowledgable people in bodybuilding swear it has additional benefits for fat loss.

>>76397959
I don’t see why it wouldn’t be beneficial for fat loss. Running in a fasted state means you’re burning fat reserves only.

>>76397948
it's not corny and played out as shit, that must be it.

Man this guy really can't stop crying about the nuns can he. Peak mental illness.

>>76397973
I see it the other way, people keep bringing up the ducks and nuns metatopic to rile up the anon who doesn't like it

>>76397885
biolayne had some good videos on this topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBjY9Zir8AM

My only issue with the duck nuns are the terrible, awful, unspeakably evil things that artist is done. I watched a video essay on him and I can’t believe he’s still allowed to walk around.

Anti Nun shill is losing his mind

every OP image is an opportunity to share a useful or inspiring picture to help people achieve their goal of losing weight. the nun duck images are both off-topic and useless in this regard. the worst, though, is that the images discourage new people from taking the thread seriously and joining in on the discussion.

this is the problem when someone occupies a leadership position for ulterior motives. they don't actually have the same goals as the people they are leading. they intentionally lead them astray and waste their time and resources. it's sabotage.

personally, i don't mind the comic but it obviously doesn't belong here and it's strange that moderation is complicit with it.

>>76398012
>Nooooooo it has to change because I don't like it
Seek help

>>76398012
this is actually nun-poster falseflagging

>>76398012
Every general has one or more schizos forcing their garbage into the OP

>>76397800
black cards can do whatever the fuck they want right now. With the "free teenager" thing they are worried they will lose members.

Do the red light or the "total body" as they call it. Will help with the stretch marks. Make sure you are explicitly clear you don't want tanning.

>>76397846
oh good, this troll. Somebody respond quick that you have to separate cardio and lifting and then we can have a huge ass pointless discussion if cardio counts as lifting.

>>76397877
Have you run outside yet anon? Creepy as fuck when you turn on the speed.

>>76397938
chapstik. Get off that shit.

>>76398033
And every general has schzios like you desperately trying to change it because YOU don't like it.

>>76397938
>chapstick
Are you in the southern hemisphere (i.e. brown), or is this for DSL maintenance?

>>76397967
Thats the rationale, but the question is does it actually burn more fat fasted vs unfasted if calories are the same throughout the day

JustMeatFishSaltButterAndEggs is a virgin and 500lbs

So how do you actually know whats a healthy weight for you? Ive gone from 151kg to current 112kg. I am aiming for 90kg because i heard your weight should be the centimeters of your height. Im 193 so im aiming for 90kg

>>76398095
Just go until you like how you look

How long to go from 23% to 15% bf?

>>76398095
Healthy weight is when your abs are visible

>>76398115
10 years

>>76398125
You meant 10 days?
I'm 170 cm (5,7"), 77kg btw

>>76398095
>healthy weight for you
blood pressure under 130/85. Everything else is aesthetics.

>>76398115
1.5 years if you doing it correctly. You will also stop caring as much around 19% if you are lifting and doing it correctly. Having a good ratio of lifting potential/body weight pound feels better than the bf%. You won't (and shouldn't) stop till you hit 15%, just saying you will feel better at 19%.

>>76398134
>10 days

>>76398115
Doable on a heavy cut in 3 months.

>>76398095
>So how do you actually know whats a healthy weight for you?
for me, blood work

Hypothetically how bad would it be for me to eat 2000kcals worth of crisps and sweets right now

increased my deficit back upto 1000 and started doing heavy cardio and now my dick is struggling to get hard. still horny though.

overdoing it? this happen to anyone else?

>>76398148
>1000 and started doing heavy cardio
no on that alone.

Saturday night workout.

Lets goooooo! WAGMI.

>>76398035
>Have you run outside yet anon? Creepy as fuck when you turn on the speed.
I've only been running outside, anon. Sun on my body has undoubtfully also been fantastic.
But It's fucking insane how much speed and mobility I've gotten. Just now I was walking from the store and a large group was about to cut off a narrow sidestep, which would've force me to walk in their slower tempo. I fucking despise this, but instead of picking up my phone and pretending I'm doing something to create some distence between us I did a sudden little jog to get ahead of them. It's the little things like this that are most noticible because holy shit I accelerated fast.

>>76398159
I'm also not eating my cardio calories, so my actual deficit is between 1500 and 2000

i just realized for the first time in my 33 years of life i am no longer statistically obsese
what the fuck

>day 2 of IF
~22 hours since my last meal and Im not even hungry anymore. did 4 miles of walking/running earlier. running feels... really really awful. muh mfing joints aint what they used to be.

>>76398199
You were obese the day you were born?

>>76398199
Now you just have to stop being overweight.

>>76398210
13lbs 9oz

>>76398109
What if I never like how I look because I'm a human shar pei?

Lets say hypothetically I walked 8 miles a day for 30 days at 340lbs, how much weight would I lose?

Online calculators say 5lbs total but that seems crazy low???

>>76398221
Try dieting

>>76398221
It would depend on how much you're eating. You cant outpace a shitty diet. The walks would burn at most like 500kcals a day.

>>76398221
Depends on how much you eat, too.

This was ky first month of weight loss, I started out at about 10-15K steps a day for this month and was eating 1500 calories.

You weigh a lot more than I did, so you can beat this.

December 5th - 266.4 pounds
December 6th - 265.2
December 7th - 264.2
December 8th - 263.4
December 9th - 262.8
December 10th - 263
December 11th - 261.6
December 12th - 261
December 13th - 260.2
December 14th - 258.8
December 15th - 257.8
December 16th - 258.8
December 17th - 257.4
December 18th - 256.6
December 19th - 256.8
December 20th - 256.4
December 21st - 255.2
December 22nd - 254
December 23rd - 253.4
December 24th - 252.6
December 25th - 252.2
December 26th - 250.8
December 27th - 250.6
December 28th - 249.6
December 29th - 249.2
December 30th - 248.6
December 31st - 248

Have this my fellow /fat/ties who are also cooklets.

>don't drink your calories

How else am I supposed to take my protein shake?

How do i deal with the crushing brutal reality of life? I'm 35 and finally getting my weight sorted (started at 350lbs down to 240lbs) and i have a decent job and a house etc etc but life just feels so empty and pointless. Like this is it? I get healthy and then i just wagie for 30 more years and die? Fuck........

>>76398268
Protien powder should be a last resort, you should get the majority of your protien from real food. Lean meats, dairy, eggs, ect. Protein shakes are for when you're behind your protien goals for the day and you dont have time/calories for the day for anything else.

>bought a meat grinder with a vegetable chopper attachment to make making healthy meals less annoying(store bought ground chicken is fucking DISGUSTING here)
>had some left over steak in the freezer so decided to make burgers out of it to break it in
>those were the best damn burgers I ever had
>and I had a lot of burgers
great now instead of craving take out I will be craving my own homemade fast food
well at least it will save money, even using fucking steak it was half the price of a mcdonalds double quarterpounder

>>76398272
Play video games and try to forget about the real world.

>>76398268
take the right protein shake. Don't listen the anti-shake retards. If you are trying to get your protein maxed either you eat 10 eggs a day or fail.

If your total shake calaries (power, fruit, milk, whatever) is more than 130 calories you are doing it wrong.

>>76398272
get a hobby
I'm into anime girls for example
at 34 I started buying plastic figures of anime girls because I could finally afford it, makes the time spent at work much nicer
>yeah sure this overtime sucks but at least I can buy another figgie this month
I'm pretty happy

>>76398210
i was 11 pounds at birth so sorta

>>76398272
You wage to finance the shit you actually wanna do.

>>76398310
>>76398320
True i should get a hobby, i just need to figure out what that is.

>>76398199
I feel you brother
t.was 30kg in kindergarten
I don't remember a time where I wasn't fat.

>>76398330
same, I don't remember my exact weight before middle school but I always was the fat kid
I went over 100kg in middle school and haven't been below it since and I'm in my thirties

i very large girl matched with me, what do i do

>>76398341
Pump to gain confidence/experience and tell her to lose weight when you dump her.

>eat all my calories for the day
>still feel hungry
>urge to binge: high
send me your strength bros...

>>76398352
should i just write to her? im such low ELO i could use some experience, but god i dont want to break her heart

>>76398356
>low elo
jesus you must be a virgin

>haven’t eaten anything today
>not hungry at all
>urge to binge: zero
Send me your weakness sisters

>>76398368
sent ;)

>>76398362
im fully specced into arcane

>>76398356
>should i just write to her?
You should
>god i dont want to break her heart
You haven't even messaged her yet bro.
Who knows you might even start to like her and she will break your heart.

my scale tells me i have 64.4lbs of muscle mass
i think it might actually be over for me

>>76398398
And how much fat?

>>76398400
it doesn’t say in lbs, just in percentage. 19.5% body fat.

Set a timer today for my walking/running, to push myself, set it to 1 minute running / 2 minutes walking, then I set that to a loop, it really kicked my ass. First couple runs were easy enough, but it quickly caught up to me, I even took a break half way but still felt drained, by the end I was only managing a few shuffling steps for the running sections before being completely winded. Just goes to show how much I've been leaving in the tank previously by winging it and running whenever I felt like it. My feet are killing me right now, but overall it feels good, like I made progress.

Fatty Contest
KenloBorther
245.7lb
ATL is close

i did 45mins of cardio this morning when i woke up. i think i'll bookend the day with another 45mins

>>76398272
The biggest awakening you can have as an adult is that you're actually free to do whatever.
You can go to your job tomorrow naked, writing "ron paul 2027" in permanent marker between your nipples and shit on the office floor.
You can get a 6 pack of beer and gift it to random strangers to make their day better.
You truly are in control of your destiny. In the same way that you had an awakening and woke up from the zombie mode of eating shit without considering it, you can have a similar awakening where you change your life such that you enjoy it more. Make social contacts. Do weird shit. Go on vacation in strange places. Find hobbies and interests, and people to share them with.
It sounds obvious, but this simple truth is immensely powerful to realize and few people ever truly do.

>doing 12k steps
>fitness apps say that's like 1000+ kalories burned
>fucks up all the other math in the tracking apps

>>76398466
Yeah never trust what fitness apps say, they usually over-estimate calories burned massively, so much that cutting it in half isn't always enough to get a good read on how much you burned.

>>76398474
i think i'll track my steps for 1-2 months to get the 10k+ steps in my head and then i'll just stop tracking steps.

>you can eat another 1300kalories until your set limit
>NO I CANT

>>76398474
serious question then how do you actually estimate calories burned from physical activity

>>76398474
But I WANT to believe my Apple Watch!

>>76398494
In practical terms?
Calculate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolic_equivalent_of_task but use lean body mass rather than actual weight or multiply by 0.6 at the end.
Wattage is also a fairly useful proxy.
If you want a scientifically accurate measurement, then you need a thermally isolated chamber and measure waste heat. A slightly less accurate but far more realistic method is via oxygen consumption.

Finally experienced the whoosh. Literally went from 186.4lb to 181.4lb in a couple days.

>>76398509
You’ll be back up before you know it!

>>76398474
>>76398489
>>76398495
what if all the fitness apps are designed to over estimate everything, so you stay fat and keep using them, that way they can keep pushing you ads or try to bait you into buying premium.

someone should make an app that brutally underestimate and takes the absolute most pessimistic and conservative approach to every input you give it.

Hey gang. I never go on /fit/ but I saw this on the front page so fuck it why not.

Since last October I've lost 32kg by doing nothing except eating less. I cut out sodas entirely, energy drinks once every blue moon at the most now. I still eat sweets and the like otherwise, I just eat far, far less of it. To the point where my stomach grumbles every day, more often than not and you know what? I feel great. I feel just swell. I love the weightloss and I love how much easier it was than I expected. "Just eat less" really works.

Lol I remember when Strava was telling me my bike rides burned over a thousand calories and I fell for it. “Yeah I can go out for a few slices of pizza I already burned it off!” Classic fat boy move

>>76398522
It’s funny because I was just about to make a post about how “portion control” is the lowest IQ dieting strategy but I guess everyone is different

>>76398494
You get a garbage bag, and a CO2 meter and measure how much CO2 exhale while you're exercising by exhaling into the bag. That's essentially how a lab will measure your calories burned and its the most accurate way to do it.

>>76398533
I don't even count the calories or "control" it per se. I just eat enough to feel that it'll keep me going until the next day and that's it. Stamina-sized portions, I suppose? Not quite well fed, but not starving either. I'd say Low-Fed.

>>76398533
Depends. Some people grew fat on processed and fastfood. I grew fat on my mom's cooking. We are not the same.

I started CICO and going to the gym in late April and I'm officially down 30 pounds. I started at 278 and I weighed in at 248 this morning. I'm happy with my progress, but I still have ways to go. Thanks for reading my blog!

>>76398508
>>76398535
are there any measurements i can get done in a lab that can help me calibrate measurements for other types of physical activity? the MET thing is promising

what are you eating tonight?

>>76398571
Your mom’s pussy

>>76398541
very nice, keep it up!

>>76398549
Probably, but it'll likely not be worth it. Honestly the exact caloric expenditure shouldn't matter, because you should be in a deficit either way.
It's a bit like how the best way to calculate TDEE is over a period of a month or more.
The usual advice for actual fatties (things might change when you get down there in bf%) is to just eat a slight deficit assuming no exercise and seeing any exercise as a bonus.

MET is a very imperfect metric, but it's easy to calculate, which is why it's the thing that most fitness trackers and apps use. It's almost always overshooting the actual expenditures (also keep in mind that it includes base metabolism, so you have to subtract that to get actual expenditure).
The best realistic measurement is if you have a high quality exercise equipment that measures wattage and uses that as a proxy.
My advice: Don't worry about it too much. Eat a slight deficit, do exercise as often as you can without running into issues and consider any number your fitness tracker tells you either a flat out lie or a upper bound that is probably a decent bit too high.

>>76398571
Going over to my bros apartment for UFC tonight. His GF is going to make us those birria meme tacos and Mexican beans and rice. I will just eat the beans and tacos and skip the rice. I’ll have 3 tacos and a small portion of the beans I assume it’s like 800 calories but I’ve only had 3 boiled eggs and 2 mandarin oranges and 4 strawberries today. So I’m good

>>76398615
well i'm not asking for losing weight purposes i'm just asking for science autism purposes
exercise equipment measuring wattage is a good idea but it doesn't capture collateral expenditure, right? and the body is not as efficient as an electric motor

>>76398621
>well i'm not asking for losing weight purposes i'm just asking for science autism purposes
Ah fair enough, if it's just out of curiosity then don't mind the advice.
>exercise equipment measuring wattage is a good idea but it doesn't capture collateral expenditure, right? and the body is not as efficient as an electric motor
Generally speaking, correct. That being said the correlation between wattage and actual expenditure is (I'm making assumptions here) probably fairly decent. If you look at something like the concept 2 (the rowing machines most fitness studios have), they use that wattage measurement to guesstimate the caloric expenditure (though I'm unfamiliar with the exact process) and I'd guess it's much closer than MET.

If you want a read on some useful proxies for actual expenditure that are actually used, have this ressource: https://pacompendium.com/adult-compendium/

>>76398612
Thank you!

>>76398652
Tell her you dont want it and throw it in the trash in front of her. Or just binge the whole thing and tell your grams you love her.

>>76397985
what

FattyContest
CaptainPlanet
133.1kg

FattyContest
Penis McGee
420.69kg

>>76398268
not at all
eat food

>>76398681
Fill me in.

>>76398272
help save the world from Judaism

>>76398693
Grow up child

>>76398677
i walked past it and just made my shredded chicken with veggies, my mind is bulletproof now, i must make it

If I dont count exercise calories I've got a limit of 1132 calories a day, which is really fucking hard to maintain. I try to eat 1500, and exercise as much as possible to compensate.

It'd really be nice if I could just trust the number my fitness app says I burned instead of just hoping im still in deficit.

>>76398713
why so low??

>>76398724
My TDEE is only 1632 -500 gets me a 1132 limit, I eat around 1500, so I need exercise to make up the difference but it sucks because its hard to know if im even in deficit most of the time since I cant trust the exercise calories. My fit bit says I burned 1200 calories today but who knows what the real number is.

>>76398762
what is ur height? im 5'6 and mine doesnt go as low as 1300-1400 and im 140lbs

>>76398353
Give in anon.

You can be good tomorrow.

Enjoy today!

0-5 borger
6-9 no borger

>>76398788
can a nigga live?

>>76398571
Its Saturday, so probably a light meal from the chicken shop.

24 chicken poppers, 14" pizza (vegetarian because I wanted be healthy); 1 double quarter pounder; paneer Balti with plus rice, 1 family sized naan; chips; 2 packs of TUC cheese biscuits and a 2l bottle of pepsi max.

Oh and I've got some fruit for dessert because my GF ate the chocolate cake I was saving.

>>76397624 (OP)
>only lost 0.4 lbs this week
God fucking damnit, and the problem is if I start my day without eating I feel fucking off and weird after a few hours. Cutting is a bitch. But I cannot accept my weight as is.

>>76398353
Don't do it simply to spite >>76398769
Hatred is a good motivator. Fuck that anon.

>Balloned up to 250
>Think I look pretty good outside of my waistline
Not going to lie, my main motivation for losing weight is I don’t wanna have to rebuy an entire wardrobe of clothes. I uploaded a photo of myself the ChatGPT and asked it to guess my weight and it guessed 210. Still going to start cutting but I can run a 10k without issues even in this ungodly heat. Not sure how to feel about myself.

>>76398571
See >>76398254

>>76398769
>>76398820
I had some blueberries instead of something more caloric, went 180 calories over target. Not great, not terrible.

I turned 30 yesterday...
I figure I need to stop being fat and lose it now. I hope by Christmas I've made significant progress.

feeling skinny ngl

>stretch marks on stomach
why lose weight if I'll just look like a deflated ballon?

>>76398960
so you can avoid diabetes and heart problems when you are older.
trust me
it sucks
get this out of the way while you are young.

>Enjoy just bare chicken tendies
>Eat them with homemade low cal canes sauce, make them into orange chicken, eat them in wraps, sandwiches
>Think I could probably save money making them
>Most recipes, even air fried ones have more calories
Fuck.

>>76398892
In the future I'd suggest something with less sugar, berries make me get the munchies quickly again.
I like canned mackerel, which I enjoy for major cravings. 180 kcals, 15g protein, comes with tasty tomato sauce, shelf stable. These are german, but I'm sure (you)r store has them too. Deenz if you want to have even better macros. Also most canned soups like lentil soup are around 200 kcals it seems, also solid choices.
If you just need a snack, picrel, kohlrabi are beyond based. They are super crunchy (more than even apples), have a nice raw taste and are cheap (depending where you live). Worth picking up when you see some at the store. 100g are like 28 kcals or some shit like that.

That being said, if the berries worked, good job.

>>76398991
>These are german
ignore that part, that was in relation to the previously attached picture.

>>76398981
>Most recipes, even air fried ones have more calories
bullshit

Some of you aren't going to want to hear this, but being fat is a state of mind. Once you reset your body and rediscover a healthy relationship with food, you'll be able to enjoy life again without this calorie counting autism.

I just had a plain double quarter pounder with cheese and a latte and I'm feeling fantastic. This satiating meal will provide me with enough sustenance to keep my body active for another 12-16 hours.

>>76398981
Why lie about something so easily disputed?

>>76399002
Food is an addiction, and you will battle with it for the rest of your life. Just because you feel fine now doesn't mean you'll feel fine later. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.

>>76399021
>you're addicted to breathing and shitting and drinking water
ooookay

>>76399024
Did you know if you drink too much water you'll die?

>>76399002
i dont even count calories anymore, i can feel if im on a deficit because ill feel slightly hungry

I eat 2 of these for every meal with a snack sometime and I'm doing pretty good

>>76399067
Those have a good amount of fat brah

Why is thread just fat thin people, and yes you are fat

Not bad for double 72 hour fast. It's basically 1 pound a day. Bet I could shave like 10 lb a week if I did 2 hours of cardio everyday

I know that this is a retarded rant, but why are calories so dumb?

>the heat energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 kilogram of water by 1 °C

Why is it so arbitrary? Why did we choose an unit that's related to raising the temperature of water to use in food?

Like say you look at a chocolate bar, and it's 900 calories. WTF does that even mean?

Apparently for some god forsaken reason someone decided that you need to be around ~7716.18 calories in total deficit to lose 1kg, if you invert it, 1 kcal ~= 0.000129598kg ~= 0.129598g. So why not measure things in grams? For example, hey, that 900 calorie chocolate bar, if you eat it you gain 116.64grams (if you're at TDEE, but if you're at deficit, it's the same shit, except you'll prevent 116.64 grams of weight loss instead of gaining it). If I knew it was that retardedly high I would never have eaten it.

I will be converting everything to grams in my head now(divide by 8, it's 12.5 instead of 12.96, accurate enough, if you need to make it even more accurate you can add 4% to that result which is also easy to do in your head).

>>76399083
are you not afraid of losing muscle

Fasts are rebound central

I've kept off my weight for over a year now without any rebounds by eating how I expect to eat after my weight loss is finished. No hacks, no tricks, just reduce amount eaten and stop eating mcdonalds

>>76399086
>hey, that 900 calorie chocolate bar, if you eat it you gain 116.64grams
Interesting. I wonder if this would help obesity when it's so clear cut that even a toddler would understand. Although the accuracy would be off because not everyone digests food similarly.

>>76398991
I cant stand fish, especially canned. But I can always try to eat more veggies, an entire head of broccoli is only like 240 calories and pretty satiating.

I go for berries when im craving something sweet, theyre hell of a lot better than a chocolate bar.

>>76399102
I never had any muscles to begin with.

>>76398533
My personal weight loss strategy is just to match my hunger with whatever tolerance for hunger i'm feeling that day. Normally I average about 600 calories a day no problem because when I get too hungry I eat an apple and move on. Some days i'll end up fasting and some days i'll eat at TDEE, it just depends on whats happened that day.
Its essential to have a list of the most satiating foods known to mankind and to rotate through them as you get bored and to strictly eat those things. It makes counting trivial too. Ya'll like to make this shit so difficult for no reason.
Also the ducks and nuns are nice and all but it has been the same thing for over a decade.

>>76399126
Now you'll have even less, good work.

>>76399126
You're not going to lose any then.
Save worrying about your muscles for when you start your first real cut.

>>76399086
Your body doesn't even turn carbs into fat unless your muscle glycogen is more or less maxed out
Yet it will store fat as as fat immediately
Protein is even weirder where your body expends a decent amount of calories to digest it

>>76398540
This is my problem, I didn't get fat eating slop like most people, I got fat by just eating too damn much of the "good" stuff. Doesn't matter what I eat, if I eat until I'm satisfied im going to overeat. I cant just cut out the soda and sweets and solve my obesity becuase they've never been part of my diet to begin with. I'm hungry all the time, eating never makes me feel full, I always want another heaping helping after I eat, but just eating less is the only thing that works. Portion control works. I'm still hungry but thats just something I have to live with and get used to.

>>76399145
>>76399142
Interesting, so should I just go less on the fasting if I want to retain muscle and lose weight fast, I should focus on calorie deficit? Because the weight loss from calorie deficit seem to be very low IMO.

>>76399158
Yep I need to eat foods with high satiety and high volume or else I suffer
I also do intermittent fasting so I can feel that full feeling in my stomach
For the rest of the day I just try to distract myself

>>76399164
If you actually care read:
http://rapidfatlosshandbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/RapidFatLossEBook.pdf

>>76399171
I never found any of the high satiety food or volume eating to help at all, its can pack away enough lean meats and green veggies for a week and still feel hungry. I have to just eat enough to hit my calorie target and accept I'll still be hungry when I finish eating. Distracting myself helps, if im bored I'm thinking about food, so going for a walk or doing some accessory exercises at the gym works. I'm usually not thinking about food when im active.

Fatty Contest
IgnatiusJReilly
198.8lbs

I'm back.

>scale goes afk for month and spare change
>oh hey ill drop 10 pounds, my bad anon
this happens too damn much

>eat like a pig
>fast food and double servings
>weight stays the same because I don't eat throughout the day anymore
Intermittent fasting works wonders.

>>76399086
It's not arbitrary, calorimetry predates fat science and is more useful. Calorimetry measures how much useful work i.e. heat content i.e calories we an get out of something. It was here first and so it was used first, although food companies definitely prefer calories because everybody at the top of this world is scum.
Humanity has always wanted to know how much work we could get out of something because it's dangerous to be wrong about this sort of thing. Knowing how much work we can get out of our food is more useful than how much our food would weigh us down if we ate it.
Knowing that i just ate 1200 calories and will be good to work for the next 8 hours is more useful than knowing that i would have in theory gained .34 lbs for that meal.
Also historically, fat people virtually didn't exist and measuring food by weight gain is something that would exist solely for us. It's only been around 40 years give or take since the fatty epidemic started.
I do think you're onto something though, both would be extremely useful to have on our food, it's just calories are the more useful measure. Very interesting idea.

>>76399173
>No sources.
>No references.
>One meme degree over 20 years ago
Just a guy behind the scenes trying to sell you something, as always.

>>76399171
how long are your fasting periods?

family just went grocery shopping and theres so much damn junk food and im home 24/7. genuinely considering putting soap in my mouth to snap me out of wanting to overeat on all that slop

Where does fat go when I lose it? What if someone finds it and returns it to me?

>>76399377
I feel you, anon. Everyone in my goy cattle family is a fat fuck that literally uses oil for everything they will eat, earlier I saw my mom use oil of the worst and cheapest kind on top of her salad and there was a big chocolate cake at the table.

I've been through these "tests" for way to long and while I've failed in the past to the urges, nowadays I feel like I matured and suffered enough to know I'm too old to keep doing this shit, I just ignore it and keep eating my healthy foods.

>>76398135
>blood pressure under 130/85. Everything else is aesthetics.
Have you guys noticed a significant reduction in blood pressure from weight loss? Mine dropped a lot when I started regularly doing cardio. But aside from that, it's been frustratingly stable no matter how much weight I lose
I've got it down to like 110/70 in the morning, but it still gets up to like 125/80 when I measure in the evening. I'm not too worried about it yet but I'd still like to improve it while I'm young (literally every adult on my dad's side of the family had to start taking BP meds in their 40s or 50s)

>turned my ankle getting up out of bed after a nap
>instead of an ankle bruise, there's a giant bruise at the top of my 4-5 metatarsal

I might be cooked. I can walk fine but can't bend or get on my toes without pain. Hopefully its fine in the morning

>>76399086
>Why is it so arbitrary? Why did we choose an unit that's related to raising the temperature of water to use in food?
Because the energy contained within food was initially measured by burning it, it is by all measures the absolute upper limit of how much energy your body could hope to gain from metabolising something
The decision (and the calorie as a unit of measurement as a whole) also predates fat people existing, aside from a handful of nobles and rulers
>>76399380
You exhale it in the form of carbon dioxide and water vapour

>>76399399
Jesus how fat are you? That's a 600lb life foot if I ever saw one.

>>76399409
I'm 230 lbs atm, idk what constitutes a fat foot but I think that foot looks fatter because of the swelling. Like normally on the side, the skin doesn't protrude out

>>76399395
Yes. My vision even got better. Like it lowered my prescription for my glasses.

>Have to get bloodwork done on the 22nd
>Doctor told me to stop doing my fasting bullshit because it fucks up my bloodwork
man I want to fast again already
eating is bullshit

>>76399377
I feel you, there's usually a lot of junk food in my house too.
I've been dieting now for like 6 weeks and I'm surprised I haven't made a move on any of it.

What's your favorite nut milk?

>>76399578
Yours

Should I try this >>76399587

>>76399578
S-o-y-s-h-i-t
it’s full of sugar you shouldn’t drink any. Drink real milk.

>>76399578
unsweatened almond for the protein drink

>>76399464
I nearly passed out when I got my bloodwork done Because I hadn’t eating that day. They will let you fall and hit your head and laugh at you.

>>76399173
Can I get a cliff notes version?

>>76399158
i'm the same way.
>>76398541
good work. keep going.

Fatty Contest
Name: Dzonathan Gavert
Weight: 117.35 kg

Overall progress:
https://tinylink.net/1Jdoy

Motivational Song of the Day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP1NSqx-EpY

Threadly reminder that
WAGMI

>>76397759
unironically yes
you have nothing to shit out.
Also make sure you're getting both insoluble and soluble.
Insoluble adds bulk and fulfils minimum shipping requirements
Soluble packages it all together into a nice log.

Just ate a shit load of pork rinds with honey
I am the person your doctor tells you to fear

>>76399578
I buy these almond milk protein drinks. 100kcal, 20g protein, tastes pretty good

>>76399825
>almond milk
I am sorry to inform you that you are ngmi

>>76399835
it tastes better than the onions one, and regular milk makes me gassy

>>76399843
>and regular milk makes me gassy
unfortunate
it never even began

>>76399745
I'm sure I will. It will be 87 kg before Christmas if not atleast sub 100.

>>76399745
weigh in day today. Another week, another 1 lbs down. I'm eating at a 500-calorie deficit and it's actually been really close to the estimate I get from the losertown calculator from the OP.
this pace is agonizingly slow, like I won't hit my goal weight until late December assuming the losertown estimate stays accurate. But this deficit is really sustainable for me, especially with intermittent fasting. I'm at the point where it barely even feels like dieting anymore, this is just my life now

wagmi.............. eventually

>>76399651
Thanks

Sugar in milk is called lactose. Sugar in anything else is fructose, or sucrose.

Fatty Contest
Name: Mizeria
Weight: 144.9 kg

>knees hurting
>lower back hurting
>wrist hurting
its so over bros
go and make it without

>>76399578
the fatty acid profile of macademias is actually their strong point.

I prefer real milk.

>>76399578
I find all substitute milks to be rather disgusting. I drink whole milk, its my primary source of fat.

>>76399918
Take a day off and sleep in fren; you earned it.

>>76399918
Work through the pain.

>132kg
>change diet
>lose weight
>wake up early in the morning fresh as fuck

so did i just cheat in an extra 2-3 hours each day?

After losing 2.8kg last week, I felt inspired to keep the good times rolling and I am happy to report I walked another 30,000 steps.
Cute girls singing on my phone, plans for the future, losing weight at a great pace. Things are looking up, turning 30 might just not be the death sentence I always thought it would be.

Rate my meal
>costco egg cheese and bacon bites - 250 cals
>1 can tuna - 110 cals
>glass of whole milk - 120 cals
total: 480 calories, ~50g protein

>>76399919
>macademias fatty acids
I get my omega-9s and omega-7s from Nordic Naturals.

>>76400041
I’m happy for you anon

>>76399141
Another anon in one of these threads said something along the lines of it’s normal and healthy to be hungry. It’s our body driving us to go out and hunt or whatever, but it’s not normal for us to constantly shut down the hunger or instantly suppress it with food. He phrased it a lot better, but I think he had a point.

>Its essential to have a list of the most satiating foods known to mankind
What’s on your list?

Fatty Contest
Eumenes
94.6kg
193cm

divorce is motivating

Fatty Contest
ReformedNihilist
85.75kg

>>76399189
welcome back fellow Confederacy of Dunces enjoyer,
lets make it through so we dont end up like the real Ignatius - sad, broken and coping

>>76399395
>had to start taking BP meds in their 40s
I got to stop taking mine. Doctor was pissed. Fucking broken ego because my internalist overrode his decision.

>>76399395
That was one of my wake up calls. That along with putting a hole in my bathtub with my heel. Used to be 170/110 even when not digesting. Now it's cozy 130/80.

What's the correct order for a girl who wants to lose weight but wants to be toned and not skinnyfat? Lose weight first, lift after? Lift in addition to losing weight? She needs to lose 20-25kg or thereabout

>>76400138
>Lift in addition to losing weight?
this one.

>>76400138
thats a lot of fat to lose,
i suggest looking into psmf and modifying it if you cant tolerate it anymore,

and while doing it, get into bodybuilding while on a cut and push as hard as you can while avoiding what you dont wanna do to avoid burnout

best of luck! follow geoffrey verity for the gym

Fatty Contest
Garfield
148.1

>>76400150
Lmao, peak ngmi

Is the BMI calc even accurate?
Currently 112kgs which is def overweight, But Im also more muscular than the average person with wide shoulders
But the BMI said I was Obese, and heavy is 80kgs, but I doubt even in my best shape Id ever be below 90kgs

>>76400161
cheers nigger

>>76400165
Time for the larp again I guess. You fatty.

For the last 30 days i havent lost any weight because i lowered my daily cigs for like 30% and i guess my metabolism slowed down. When i tapered cigs i gained 2.5kg in 2 days even though i definitely didnt eat that much to warrant that kind of gain. So i spent last 3 weeks losing that weight and while i did lose most of it that puts me at the same weight as a month before which sucks

>>76400164
>Is the BMI calc even accurate?
if you're asking this, you don't understand the concept.

Social occasions really are the hardest for me. A BBQ where everyone constantly pushes food into your hands, eating a lot is encouraged, alcohol lowers your inhibitions..
When I'm on my own and can be as autistic as I want, no problem to stick to a solid deficit. But functioning with other people really makes it so much harder.
Guess I have more learning to do

>>76400176
did you count calories every day for the last 30 days? Nicotine is an appetite suppresant so most people that stop smoking or smoke less feel more hunger and eat more, cigs increase your metabolism by a small amount so the weight you gained is 99,99% just water weight

>>76398969
At what age is it over?

>>76399377
>>76399388
>>76399469
Why don't you move out of your parents' basements and get a grip on your lives, then?

just 6 more weeks and I can finally stop browsing this general forever

>>76398272
Unironically explore more hobbies.
You are working hard to fund your hobbies that you enjoy doing.
I am planning on learning to dive once I have enough money.

>>76399578
>nut milk
No such thing exists. Drink actual milk instead of this onions-slop.

>nut milk
you're unironically better off drinking water
some of you are never making it

>>76399705
Why are anons so intent on posting their disgusting feet?

>>76399843
>regular milk makes me gassy
nigger

>>76399399
Update: just woke up and its arguably worse. Might have actually damaged some bone somehow so gonna have to get an x ray

My only experience with nut milk is drinking a bottle of those bolthouse farm smoothies from the grocery store. One of them which was blueberry was made with almond milk and it tasted good so I would buy them sometimes

Fatty Contest
relapsedtard
89kg

i can't believe my weight ballooned back up so hard after my half marathon
my self control really sucks

>>76400224
>he doesn't know about rebound
oh no no no

>>76400287
You rebound. I don't.

>>76400296
Famous last word

>>76400298
For you

>>76400302
See you next time, bud.

I think even when (if?) I get to my goal weight, I'm going to have to count calories forever. It's just way too easy to absolutely demolish my maintenance calories without even really trying

>>76400304
Lmao could you reply any faster. You must be literally spamming refresh loser.

>>76400309
>what is the notification feature?
>what is touch typing?
Okay nigger.

>>76400189
I really didnt eat more than i usually eat. The first day i tapered i did eat more cause of nervousness but i didnt later. Thanks for the encouragment, i doesnt make sense to me that i gained that much unless its water weight

>>76400318
Did you wait extra long to reply that time to try and prove me wrong? Lmao vrigin.

>>76400323
I was just perplexed by how fucking dumb you are that you don't know about the notification feature, you nigger.

>>76400326
>I was just pretending

>>76400332
Believe whatever you want.
See you again next year, fatty.

>>76400333
Very insecure aren't you

>>76399118
True, and it's often about the lesser of two evils. I've lost most of my sweet tooth from the diet, but if you need that then berries are probably a good choice.

>>76399578
onions or oat milk if I add sugar in them.
Otherwise, I just prefer plain milk.

>>76399377
Why not buy stuff and cook? Either just for yourself or for your family too? It'd be good for them too.

>>76399432
Your foot is mostly just swollen really bad, a fat foot would have similar girth on the other side.
Looks like you may have hurt some tendons or some shit, if you have free healthcare, get it checked out.

stomach growls feel so good..

I wanna kill myself. I'm 99 kgs and the summer's over. I've lost like 2 kg the whole year.

>>76400376
Why didn't you lose more?

Ive lost 2 lbs.. because of struggling with alcoholism.. everytime i lose a substantial amount then decide to start drinking it all comes back, cause of the booze and moreso the late night snacking that accompanies it.

lifting/calisthenics/walking at a high protien diet with a caloric deficit is dey whey.

If you can do intense cardio at a deficit then more power to you but that shit is damn near impossible

>>76398919
Just had a piece lean stake, chicken breast and cheeseburger which I barbecued for lunch.

How fucked am I?

>>76400435
Stop drinking then

>Try hard, don't eat garbage, count calories, steps every day
>Scale barely moves, if at all
>Say fuck it, eat whatever whenever hungry just don't overdo it all the time
>Steady weight loss every week
fuck off

Is this bad for you?

Is it ok to work my core maybe 5 times a week and everything else 3 times?

I have rib flare and want it gone ASAP, like I dont even care all that micu about abs just want no more rib flare.

>>76400536
If you work your core five times a week, you’ll die. No mortal man is capable such intense exercise, you are a fool.

>>76400484
That's not that bad, just don't have a huge dinner and get some cardio in and you'll be fine.

At least it was real protein and not a protein shake.

>>76400517
everything is

>>76400517
Every calorie you eat over 1500 in a day is bad for you. Every calorie under 1500 is good for you.

>>76400287
>>76400296
My body is telling me
>NOHO! NOO! , Y-YOU CAN'T, NO, STOP NO!

but my mind is telling me that I was offered special privileges and exemptions on the grounds of my fraility growing up, so I internalized that frailty = worth, specialness, affection.

My body might argue that being weak and sickly is not the flex I think it is, and point to my being a 35 year old man who had to move back in with my mom as my ED ruined my life as evidence. It might argue that I was objectively happier in 2017-2020 when I was 53 kg with bitch tits - and my own place where I pursued hobbies and interests not related to diet and exercise

But alas, my letting go in late November was too dysphoric and I ended up feeling embarrassed by my 50.65 kg body (of which 2kg was carb bloat) Every one of those spikes represents me going *nom nom nom* elbow deep in a bag of chips at 9 PM while watching mindless YouTube. That ain't who I am! I am a disciplined anorectic who not only knows the difference between the noun anorectic and the verb anorexic, but who makes the right choices as I grab my organic celery and my high polyphenol EVOO and feel superior to the cattle in the checkout queue paying for chips and frozen pizzas like retards with no impulse control.

Yep... Once I reach my UGW. I might finally feel sick enough and pat myself on the back and say "we did it" and bask in the glory of victory for a week before going back to my Set Point Weight™

>>76400602
don't post again

Fatty Contest
WitnessMe
123.7kg
185cm

>>76400635
A mother?

okay cleanslate.sh is the best calories counting app
>counts only protein and calories no other bloat
>quickdd feature
>no bloat

It’s truly incredible how I can go from a complete coach potato junk food binge eater to a cardio bunny healthy food connoisseur and the scale doesn’t even move at all. I thought at my size and previous lifestyle that starting to exercise and quitting junk would translate to improvement but I’ve lost almost nothing after a month. I’m going to have to actually starve myself if I want to quit weight…

>>76400730
Post H8&W8

>>76400487
ok good idea, ive got about a week under my belt now

After many years of disordered eating what finally helped me lose weight and establish good habits was getting over childhood trauma, ahdd meds and semaglutide.
At my goal weight now and the main factor was getting on wegovy, however adderall helped me divorce enjoyment from decision making which is what finally helped quit junk food and soda.
On wegovy it became much more clear I had problematic behavior from a young age that didn't dissipate well into my 20s. I had many failed weight loss attempts before this. Binge eating disorder was just one manifestation of genetic ADHD with most of my male family members having been in and out of prison or failing as parents due to their ADHD.
Thought I'd write this post in case it helps anyone, 120 lbs down from my highest weight and my BMI is 23 now. Have to get jacked to cover up loose skin now but it's not the worst problem.

>>76400771
I'd like to add the other people I've known with binge eating disorder also had ADHD or similar mental issues that made it very difficult for them to lose weight in a sustainable manner.
>>76400730
As I said above I think binge eating disorder is a mental healthcare issue more than one related to diet. I'd look into that. That being said a lot of psychiatric medication isn't as safe or well studied as the stimulant medication used for ADHD so this is at your own peril.

>>76399032
I hated when people said this to me but every time I attempted this I yoyo'd really fucking hard and the scale went up on average.

186.8lbs

>>76400795
It never works. People have to start properly thinking about how willpower works. It’s like a video game where you only have a set amount of willpower. But hunger is like an exponential function. You can reach a point of hunger where you will cannibalize other people and shit. So the math does not work out. Losing weight is about finding the greatest leverage on your willpower.

Fatty contest
Tescotard
247.9lbs

>>76400944
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EaU-xW9K-Rk
People with mental disorders find it necessary to perform extended fasts because moderation is so difficult, at their long term expense.
If you want to elicit positive behavior you should always seek to create an environment, mindset, and physical state conducive to it. That can involve swapping jobs, moving, addressing childhood trauma, and medication for physical or mental ailments. Willpower is a spook and is better explained by concepts like variation if food drive, mental illness, so on. People need to accept they are the product of systemic outcomes and set themselves up for success. If your previous context lead to obesity, the context must significantly change, not your willpower.
You should never make a bet that a mentally ill obese American guy working 5 12 hour shifts a week with parents who buy junk food constantly would lose weight.

>fat fuck
>start lifting
>actually making gains, losing weight
>sike time for wrist tendinitis
>start walking more to at least keep active
>get a promotion at work that means I'm on my feet all shift
>eventually my feet start wanting to pack it in
>can barely walk by the end of a shift
>wrist is still being a shitter, just got to put up with it and lift I guess

Any suggestions on a pair of budget-ish shoes for walking and being on my feet all day at work? I walk about 250 miles a month just at work these days.

>>76401096
Have a look at what causes it in the first place, maybe you even have medical coverage for the solution already.
I learned that I can get a pair of orthopedic inserts twice a year for free, all I have to do is ask, that was massively better for my feet.
A solid middle ground are those sports "running" sneakers with the thick soles, they cushion the feet much better.
If you've just got acute pain, and need to lower the pain on your soles, picrel look like shit (thick eva foam slippers) but a sibling of mine who's a doctor and spends their entire day on their feet used them when they had strong foot pain and it helped them cure it. Plus those slippers are like 4€ on aliexpress

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>>76400222
im only 20
99% of ppl my age live with their parents