>Stop working out

>max out on every lift every 24-48 hours

>>76453882 (OP)
I cant believe Mentzer only worked-out one day in his life

>>76454080
Yeah but he did it on meth, that’s the secret

>>76453882 (OP)
>consolidated program
>once every week or 2
>1 set to failure
Works for me, anons are too afraid to try

>>76454192
post physique

>>76453882 (OP)
Finally, a good thread.

>>76454077
Last time you said do it every day, now it's every 24-48 hours.
Was it too much for you?

>>76453882 (OP)
The ideas Mentzer inherited from Arthur Jones were quite good. Intensity generally being much more important than volume, using of machines to minimize technical requirements while maximizing group, and not trying to throw around as much weight as possible, instead slowing down a little bit to make sure you're actually training the muscle you want to grow.

The issue with Mike and later nautilus is:

Much of the perspective of nautilus started to be oriented more towards genpop which doesn't need to maximize growth. They just want to look toned on the beach while not spending too much time in the gym. In which case they really don't need a lot of work. Just enough to get the relatively little results they want and to maintain it. There was more money in getting genpop to get a gym membership and workout a few times per week than there was to appeal to hardcore bodybuilders anyways. Jones was a very smart businessman.

Mike developed strange beliefs that favored minimalism and tried to apply the nautilus genpop stuff to hardcore bodybuilding. Mike also took the 1-2 weeks off that other lifters and himself had cited as a general prescription rather than the occasional thing after a long training block.

During Mike's actual competition training, though he never did high volume like the high volume advocates would claim or a known liar like Columbu stated in spite of the criticism someone like Arnold had about Mike being that "he didn't do enough volume." Mike probably maximized his potential on his routine, he just didn't have the genetics of Arnold or someone like Lee Haney. Mike's actually training was something more like 6-10 sets per body part per week, about 45 minutes per session. Anyone who trained with him in the mid-to-late 70's all cited him either doing his two-way split twice per week or the nautilus three day per week full body routine modeled after the Colorado routine.

>>76454077
Chris baldsley

>>76454744
Assuming anonymous posters are the same person is the most redditfaggot shit ever

>>76453882 (OP)
>just pump as much blood into the muscles as possible

>>76455095
Don't forget about taking 500 mg of anabolics per week or it won't work.

>>76454928
Well, you used the same picture and spewed the same retarded opinion, except instead of 24 it now says 24-48.
So anyway, kys.

>>76453882 (OP)
Ngl saw the most rapid and consistent improvement of my life doing 2 sets a group (of two diffent exercises) once every four days. Even continued to gain strength but not mass on a deficit. Idk what it is about higher frequency or lower intensity but it's been a recipe for me to stagnate hard.

>>76455095
>desktop-wallpaper
What kind of monitor you got dude?

My leg day today
Leg curl 1 set to failure
Leg extension 1 set to failure
Leg press 1 set to failure
Calf raises 1 set to failure
Abs 2 sets

I’ll do legs again in 5 days. Also 1 set is enough if you are in deficit

>1 set to complete failure every 8 hours
tell me why this wouldnt work

>>76455386
it probably would work if you're on steroids

>>76455386
Have you ever been able to hit a PR, then hit another PR eight hours later?

>>76455386
tendonitis

>>76455386
O V E R T R A I N I N G
dummy

>>76454324
I'm strong-fat. I can ruck with 65lbs for 4 miles but can't run for shit. My struggle

I've noticed virtually all criticisms of Mentzer/hit is either a) A misinterpretation of what he says or b) Flat out character assasination / ad hominem.
The only concrete thing he said on rest periods is that it is a mistake to train two days in a row. Beyond that he said as your weights go up your days off should increase.

I do half a rep to failure every 17 days. Will I make it?

>>76455386
Muscle damage would accumulate to the point of preventing gains completely, probably.
We have little data on very high frequency resistance exercise.

Maybe it would be doable if you only do 1 set of very low reps, I'm talking like 1 set of 1-2 reps, 3 reps at the very most.

>>76455582
Arnold really damaged a generation of young men into thinking destroying your body was the right way to go. Remember how people thought his pre-contest split was his actual year-round training routine? Shit was bonkers

>>76455652
Jesus, that's insane. You'd think that untrained subjects would only grow, with noob gains and all that, but they got even weaker.

>>76454080
even less, he just worked out once in a dream and that was it

>>76455582
how about he was an asshole because he was an intelligent enough man that he consciously made the choice to be deceptive and intentionally misleading to others.

>>76456595
>made the choice to be deceptive and intentionally misleading to others.
How?

I've been working out once every 3 weeks and I'm gaining volume and strength

>>76457025
You can do that without working out at all just by eating more.

>>76453882 (OP)
he doesnt go heavy enough since hes on steroids

>>76455386
>every 8 hours
So you do a set to complete failure, immediately go to bed, then do another when you wake up? And then one more in the afternoon?

>>76456591
it was a nightmare
it was so intense that when asked about it he just mumbles incoherently with wide eyes like a ww2 vet reliving his experiences in the trenches of the western front.

>>76455652
>pic
That's what we had in Basic, we were so overtrained that actual athletes complained that their performance is much worse than before they got in.
After it was over I felt stronger, so yes overtraining isn't a meme

>>76456363
Yeah that's what happens when you don't let your muscles recover.
For some reason many coaches, trainers and influencers refuse to accept this is real.
>>76458064
I went through something similar.
Overtraining is real, you might not even feel bad mentally but your performance along with your muscle will stagnate if not even regress.

>>76455570
don't care
post physique

>>76456613
He dosnt have an answer because it's pure bullshit.

>>76453882 (OP)
>Die

>>76453882 (OP)
Muscle's mean nothing.

Learn MMA

>>76457197
yes exactly
>>76455521
no, but I havent tried either
>>76455567
its still only 21 weekly sets

>>76458860
>, but I havent tried either
Okay. Please do let us know how it works out.

>>76458860
>its still only 21 weekly sets
Did you mean per body part, or in total? If you meant per body part, then you still haven't given the frequency for each body part in your question.
Doing 21 different isolations per week is very different from doing 21 maximal sets of clean and jerk per week.

>>76453882 (OP)
I've been doing his ideal routine and even though 2 leg days and 1 arm 1 back/chest is leg heavy my numbers are going up.
It does suck only working out about 8 times per month though.

>>76454830
This is an interesting contrast to his later consolidation routine which iirc was like:
A
Diddlys
Dips

B
Skwats or leg press
palms-in lat pull downs

I tried this shit as a natty every 4 days but plateaud pretty quick. Probably because I was cutting though.