Thread 76500664

It's not fair

>>76500664 (OP)
not fair, but use finasteride and you'll make it fair

>>76500670
No amount of finasteride can make up for bad genes

>>76500670
over 90% of finasteride cases do not visibly regrow any hair, just maintain
even dutasteride, the majority do not visibly regrow

balding is so gay

bald bros

its your shampoo

it has DMDM hydantoin - aka slow release formaldehyde. you are pouring it on your scalp ery day and its fucking yo shit up

>>76500664 (OP)
Looks like me on the left but I’m white and have dreadlocks so the receding is hardly worth worrying about
I look like a homeless dude but for some reason women seem to like me a lot
At least women that are a lot younger and a lot older than me but I’m 29 so maybe that’s just because most girls my age are already in relationships or are well on their way to being a “boss bitch” or whatever the fuck dogshit idgaf Im just going to find a sugar momma, knock her up , then “co-parent” aka let her pay for everything and then just spend time with my kids
Not proud of it but might as well make the best of my situation

>>76500664 (OP)
luck of the genetics draw. blame your parents and ancestors. grandpas had full heads of hair until their death, my dad and his brothers have full heads of hair, mom's brothers have full heads of hair (one did thin a bit). Me and my brothers have full heads of hair

>>76500670
I’m down to 1mg a week and it kills my libido for 24 hours every time but I have hair still. Mostly.

>>76500690
if you're gonna try and be an esoteric fag about this at least shill a proper shampoo or something

>>76500664 (OP)
That's seminal filmmaker david lunch, not a random boomer

>>76500702
bro
chatgpt "DMDM hydantoin" i aint bullshitting. the shampoo search be on you dawg. i gave u a lot already

>>76500703
the only seminal shyt is my cock nigga you feel me

>>76500707
well your post triggered a search that lead me to this
https://www.ewg.org/skindeep/browse/category/Shampoo/?category=Shampoo&sort=score
so not bad, thanks

>>76500690
it is definitely not people's shampoo in the vast majority of cases, man. plenty of guys will listen to this, stop using shampoo, and will continue losing hair. I am not a Universal Science Trooooster, and am open to the belief that hair loss is more complicated than just genetics, and is exacerbated by diet/environmental/lifestyle factors etc, but making this claim that it is solely due to one secret chemical in shampoos is not helpful.

>>76500670
ahhh yes finasteride, destroyer of libido, retarder of brains
Just use Minoxidil. It's better than finasteride in every way. If min doesn't work there's no reason whatsoever fin should. Fin keeps getting pickybacked onto min by shills. Fin is bad for your health Min is not.
/thread

>>76500785
Yeah, I think it's not just DHT though, otherwise 2.5mg Dutasteride would regrow hair in the vast majority of cases, but it doesn't. Testosterone itself plays a role, as well as other hormonal factors, I'm sure.

Balding is annoying on a practical level but awful on a social level, but the complexity behind finding a cure is frankly unreal. Researchers are still basically throwing darts on a board and hoping something sticks.

Makes you wonder if something like permanent hair implants that aren't rejected by your biology, though still insanely complex, would actually be easier to pull off than finding a cure or even truly effective treatment.

>76500690
I didn't use any shampoo for 15 years and still lost all my hair

>>76500837
>Yeah, I think it's not just DHT though, otherwise 2.5mg Dutasteride would regrow hair in the vast majority of cases, but it doesn't.
it doesn't because the vast majority of people don't start fin/dut the moment they notice shedding, instead they say that these meds are poison and wait until they're too far gone before they hop on dht blockers, at which points the hair follices are gone

>>76500702
Use no shampoo at all
t. Noshampoo 5 years

>>76500664 (OP)
God is funny

>>76500664 (OP)
just shave it bro

>>76500836
>using /thread for your own post
incredibly gay narcissistic behavior. shan't be listening to you.

>hair lining receding every year ever so slightly
The reaper is coming..

>>76500664 (OP)
Don't fall for the Finasteride PsyOp. Post-Finasteride Syndrome is real.

>>76500941
>it's ok to shill finasteride but not ok to tell you why you're wrong
you shant be able to avoid me beating you to a bloody pulp for being a lying piece of shit

>>76500836
>It's better than finasteride in every way.
Not really
>If min doesn't work there's no reason whatsoever fin should.
Not really they have a different mechanism fin for preserving hair min is for regrowth
>Fin is bad for your health Min is not.
Both can be bad

>>76500974
wrong
wrong
right fin is bad you are a shill kys

>>76500985
Oral minoxidil would be just as bad as oral fin if not worse

>>76501008
that's why you apply it topically where systemic effects are negligible and it acts on virtually every known hair loss mechanism
>vasodilation
>adenosine
>sulfotransferase
>dht
>estrogen
>androgen receptor
>vegf
list goes on all without cucking yourself

>>76500908
follicles take decades to die/go fully dormant, so no

Bald genes should be eradicated. If your clan has some bald people then your whole clan should be genocided. Fact

>>76501016
If you think it does mess with DHT and estrogen like that then why do you think it's not "cucking yourself" ? I know it blocks AR a little bit but that's about it, it's nowhere as potent as fin in terms of lowering DHT, same argument for topical use could work for fin and i know it does by experience, topical minoxidil actually gives me more sides because it comes in higher percentages.

Nothing about what i said is wrong they work differently and finasteride is better for preserving hair it's the closest thing to a cure and minox can't replace that, you'll know that if you're as smart as you think you are.

>>76501057
>If you think it does mess with DHT and estrogen like that then why do you think it's not "cucking yourself"
it messes with dht at the follicle not serum there's literally nobody claiming topical minoxidil destroyed their libido
>same argument for topical use could work for fin
why bother min works better and on more targets besides this u need a special liposomal version to avoid fin going systemic and it's more expensive and pointless with min
>topical minoxidil actually gives me more sides because it comes in higher percentages
why are you buying higher percents the 5% generic shit works perfectly
>Nothing about what i said is wrong they work differently and finasteride is better for preserving hair
wrong and fin cucks you on top of being wrong kys faggot

>>76500690
No, my grandad on both sides were bald, my dad and brother are balding, my uncles and cousins are balding, it's the jews fault!

>>76501072
Fin is way more convenient than applying topical solutions to your scalp every morning for the rest of your life
Side effects don’t exist btw it’s just the type of people to take fin are the neurotic fags like you who placebo themselves into nonexistent conditions like pfs

>>76501072
>it messes with dht at the follicle not serum there's literally nobody claiming topical minoxidil destroyed their libido
Topical fin would be the same, also there are people claiming that and all kinds of shit
>why bother min works better and on more targets besides this u need a special liposomal version to avoid fin going systemic and it's more expensive and pointless with min
Alcohol mixes don't go systemic for me i feel fine, oral fin gave me side effects, and no min alone won't work better either you realize that now or reality will hit you in the face your choice and no i'm not a shill
>why are you buying higher percents the 5% generic shit works perfectly
I use 5% min it goes more systemic for me than 0.1% fin and yeah i can tell
>wrong and fin cucks you on top of being wrong kys faggot
Look man, i knew you were a retard but i tried to entertain you and inform you instead of insult you.

Get more sunlight

Boomers got more hair cause they went out a lot more, where as younger generations stay inside all day. Look at surfers and homeless bums with lots of hair. Then look at gamers, nerds, and shut ins that have thinning hair in their late teens

Vitamin D deficiency causes hairloss
https://www.mydcsi.com/2023/02/24/which-vitamin-deficiency-causes-hair-loss/

>>76501117
>destroying your endocrine system is fine
kys faggot
>>76501123
topical min gives u sides and topical fin doesnt ok whatever you're the ultimate snowflake

>>76501140
Neither give me sides as much as oral fin but topical minoxidil gives more noticable sides like low blood pressure but topical fin? Nothing,

i don't think i'm a snowflake you're just taking what you read on the internet at face value

>>76501154
>you're just taking what you read on the internet at face value
you mean like the widespread and completely false assertion that min doesn't work on dht so you need fin for that? funny how the fin shill gaslights everyone who refuses their literal tranny drug

>>76500670
>>76500836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RALMpVe6go

>>76500664 (OP)
I focused on my work desu

make decent money
Just saving up and gonna get a hair transplant
I don’t give a fuck if people know
I want one. Just want long hair again

>>76500785
>>76500909
> i had ultra many hairs every morning on my bed while using shampoo
> stop using shampoo completely at 22
> no more hairs on my bed, not even a single one.
how can you explain this? my hairline is also the exact same since years. i'm not sure if i was balding then, but bed was full with hairs from my head.

>>76500749

yeye, the culprit was yo shampoo blottle this whole time. glad i could help!

5% topical minoxidil is superior to 1mg oral finasteride

>>76501160
>you mean like the widespread and completely false assertion that min doesn't work on dht so you need fin for that?
I never claimed that, also i found only in vitro studies about that, i knew beforehand that it did downregulate AR to some extent, i know how minoxidil works it doesn't work mainly because of this mechanism or it would've stabilized hairloss in studies just as good as fin, so it probably doesn't translate into the real world as well as you think it does.

>>76501213
Post the full chart if you can find it

I have spent 1 hour outside in the past 10 years and I don't eat vegetables because they are for liberals. Why am I going bald?

>>76501262
fin oral at 5mg/day barely beats topical min 5%
>>76501269
the interesting bit to me was that even tho dut .5mg/day was the best the results were basically identical after 24 weeks compared to regular old ass topical min 5%

>>76501289
*see the independent observer results

>>76500664 (OP)
Happy I'm not white. My grandpa had a full head of hair at 91.

>>76501289
That's interesting, i have no reason to shill for fin but i was talking about the 10 year studies and such i don't think there is anything for minoxidil like that and i haven't seen someone preserve their hair with minox only for a long time quite the opposite actually they usually continue to lose it after years

>>76501371
That's an utter bullshit line used by shills. There's zero data nor mechanisms to explain why Min would magically stop working. The fact is dudes who go bald are gonna struggle with it no matter what some more than others.

>>76501289
even if min was as effective as dht blockers (it's not), i'd still rather take a tiny microscopic pill together with my vitamins than waste time applying liquid/foam to my entire scalp

>>76501383
>shill
I guess so, i just meant in terms of success stories you don't see that like with fin i only remember someone who used only min for a couple of years and his hair became so thin that his skin was fully visible but still there hanging somehow not slick bald

>>76501399
it takes seconds to apply it do you also struggle combing your hair, brushing your teeth and wiping your ass? nuking dht fucks your brain and hormones we can clearly see your reasoning ability no longer works wonder what else
>>76501400
you swallowed the shill pill hook line and sinker you shouldn't be messing with dht levels unless you have bph

>>76501401
Topical fin works good enough for me i don't feel any changes in my hormones, none.

>>76501410
it could be that it's not lowering serum dht much but again it's inferior, more expensive and harder to obtain vs min. no reason to risk it. side effects from topical min are incredibly rare and mostly benign

>>76501413
I use both don't worry :)

>>76500664 (OP)
Shave your head. Lift. Eat. Stop crying like a faggot. Stop listening to typical 4troon posters who have never been inside a woman.

>>76501179
based
they're now doing combination transplants for people who don't have great donors, combining scalp hair with neckkbeard grafts where they place those mainly in the crown and midscalp region, looks indistinguishable from scalp hair after a while of shampooing and conditioning it, and beard hairs are twice as thick as scalp hair so great for coverage density

saving up $20k for a 4-5k graft transplant in Thailand myself

My hair is already thinning but when the day comes I'm going to shave it off and accept my fate with dignity. I'm not going to fight it, I'm not going to try chemicals, I'm not going to try transplants, I'm not going to try that new drug from Berkeley.

>>76501425
uhh...

>>76501421
probably no reason to use both
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00403-025-04216-9
most of the studies using both are utter shit tho so who knows

>>76501401
genuinely post hairline, let's see the wonders of min

>>76501494
I don't use anything I'm not bald and my dad has a full head of hair. Norwood that prove anything (HEHE) i'm an ocd researcher and have had crazy results through my research. this topic comes up so much i spent a chunk of time looking into it. most of the people telling you to use 5ar inhibitors are blatantly shilling a dangerous drug with zero efficacy over minoxidil. the difference is one requires a script the other does not hence the need to shill it everywhere.

Crazy getting some vitamin D from the sun is too hard for this board to do but they are fine with chemicals onto their head

>>76501187
Depends on what your combing/brushing routine is.

>>76501512
Amen brother. After researching hair loss for over 5 years at this point it is unequivocal that the downsides of minoxidil amount to dry skin and possibly low blood pressure or heart palpitations. Symptoms stop immediately upon cessation. The same cannot whatsoever be claimd for finasteride. The downsides of finasteride are endless and often permanent. I would rather look like an orc than put that shit in my body.

>>76501136
>Vitamin D deficiency causes hairloss
I have always suspected there's some truth to this but...

>Look at surfers
most famous surfer of all time went bald

>homeless bums
I remember hearing that schizophrenia is positively correlated with good hair genes

Somewhere along the everlasting mystery of baldness, humans living indoors has to be in there. Hair protects our scalps from sunlight, after all. But I'm not really confident that it's as major as you suggest.

>>76501512
>I don't use anything I'm not bald and my dad has a full head of hair
Same and life is pretty good at 32 with hair

>>76500664 (OP)
>2025
>no schizo wall of text with dozens of alternative treatments
You can get some decent results with red light and microneedling, but fuck those boomer drugs and go research...
>mint water
>milk thistle
>mulberry root oil
>chuanxiong extract
>hemp oil
>sesame oil
>angelica sinensis extract
>ginseng extract
>azelaic acid
>arginine
>vitamin B3
>vitamin B6
>vitamin D3
>vitamin E
>zinc sulfate
>NMN
>caffeine
>cetirizine
>latanoprost
>oryza sativa extract
>melatonin
>raspberry extract
>hyaluronic acid
>licorice extract
>glycolic acid
>apple cider vinegar
>bromelain
>turmeric
>glycine max isoflavone extract
>DIM
>KX-826
>ketoconazole
>singlet oxygen
>chlorine dioxide solution
>hydrocortisone
>triamcinolone acetonide

>>76501050
>If your clan has some bald people then your whole clan should be genocided.
Except it's all womens fault. Baldness could be eradicated if the daughters of bald men were forbidden from breeding. Yes it's more complex than that but serious baldness would be gone rather quickly. Within many generations every male on earth would have kino hair. Unfortunately humans has thus far rejected the final redpill that is eugenics because it requires inevitable cuckoldry.

>>76500703
You are correct. Though I used his example because I really some random boomers in places like Walmart or Home Depot with flawless hair genes. The mogging hurts. They look like they spend practically no part of their day even thinking about their hair.

>>76501663
That lad is pale, he's not out in the sun for 12 hours

>tfw balding
I'm not gonna do shit about it keep what's left of my hair because I'm too lazy to shave it everytime. I don't know why you anons are freaking out about it.

>>76501711
You can use clippers with no guard once a week, twice a week at most if you really want to keep it clean. Takes 5-10 minutes.

>>76500664 (OP)
Better said
>it's not hair

>>76501705
He obviously has a shirt on every time hes outside, face and hands tanned the most

>>76501711
if you can rock the balding look then good for you
most of us can't

>>76500664 (OP)
You wear polyester, you consume random powders and pills with ingredients from China, you eat processed shit with additives, you deserve to look like the unhealthy retard you are.

>>76500836
this is wrong. don't listen to him.
minoxidil makes new hair grow, hairbwhich is more thin and puffy
finasteride stops hair from falling and it is more effective than min overall. secondary effects only in less than 5% of users. use only 1 mg a day orally

>>76501873
>secondary effects only in less than 5% of users
depleting neurosteroids causes neurlogical effects in 100% of users im sorry you failed basic biology and trust big pharma tho

>>76500699
finasteride is a libido inhibitor? damn now I really gotta get on it

>>76500664 (OP)
did you really pick david lynch at random or because he has top 0.0001% hair for his age

>>76501879
Sorry to hear you're a pussy who cannot handle slight hormonal fluctuations

>>76501941
yeah haha my tranny friends the same

>>76501949
Sorry to hear you're a pussy who cannot handle slight hormonal fluctuations

>>76501949
Kill yourself Crab nigger

>>76501960
have fun transitioning cupcake

>>76501171
NOOO, I CAN'T SEX ANYMOREEE, I MUST -ACK MYSELF.

>>76501671
You're literally the schizo who shills chlorine dioxide and puts singlet oxygen on his scalp and you think I don't know. I see you. Your memes aren't funny.

>>76500664 (OP)
My sides are greyish whitish at 26. Hair fullness is completely fine even. Having white hair at 26 sucks.

>>76501933
>>76500703
It's more common than you think

>>76501659
That's simply because finasteride is used orally and minoxidil used topically

>Older sister has great volume of hair
>Older brother has great hair, despite constantly cutting it short
>Younger sisters all have their long hair
>Dad has no receding or balding at the age of 61
>Me, massive receding hairline AND massive bald spot before I was even 24
>Look just like my grandad on my mom's side
If I had a time machine I'd go back in time and murder that fucking subhuman bald manlet before he had the chance to reproduce. Fuck this bullshit

>>76500664 (OP)
david lunch lol

>animals lose their fur due to disease, malnutrition and stress
>for humans, it's somehow "just bad genetics brah"

This is the biggest cope baldies come up with. Losing your hair a sign of a disease, not "bad genetics" or "high test" or whatever nonsense exucse cue balls come up with.

>>76500664 (OP)
5% minoxidil
0.1 - 0.25% topical finasteride

if have dandruff add in a bit of melatonin and ketoconazole

it takes months to see results and does not effect libido

>>76500699
Split the pills, dumbass. Spreading the dosage is better than taking it in one go and getting a spike that probably triggers your low libido.
>>76500836
I used min liquid and got incredible gains, but it so annoying to have to wait for that shit to try. The hair soaks it up like a sponge even if you carefully apply it to the scalp. It also causes flakes for me.
>inb4 oral min
Nah miss me with that werewolf shit
>>76500690
Shut the fuck up. Even chimps go bald you fucking retard. It's literally genetics, anything else is just a minor accelerator of balding if at all.
>>76500939
I buzz cut my hair for more than a decade now, it's all so tiresome. Popping a pill every day is easier.
>>76502171
You can dye your hair. I agree that balding is better than early grey hair, but it is harder to treat balding.
>>76503230
The flakes from min are because of iritation of the skin from the alcohol in the liquid. When I use foam min, I don't get any flakes, but foam min doesn't work for me, it regressed all the gains I made on liquid min.

>>76500908
DHT is defiantly involved a lot. As I got thinner and now bald ontop, my beard, shoulders, chest, basically everywhere else got much hairier. I would joke with my wife that the hair fell from my head and took root further down. DHT is partly responsible for your head going bald and other parts of your body growing more hair. why? who knows.

>>76503343
Look at the TGF-β, DKK1, Wnt/β-catenin, Osteopontin-CD44 and CXCL12 signaling pathways if you want to move past the 1990s "muh DHT" bullshit.
>t. high-tier trichology wizard

>>76501680
That's a wig. Nobody's hair is that good at that age.

What's the deal with you crying balding fags. I have a great head of hair and choose a buzz it all off anyway, because it's more hygienic and I like the look.

david lunch LOL

>>76503526
>I have a great head of hair and choose a buzz it all off anyway
Buzzcut with intact follicles doesn't look the same as bald. There's bald men who get their scalp tattooed to make it look like a buzzcut.

>>76503525
this anon got LYNCHED

>>76500664 (OP)
If you use fin you'll start looking like a tranny and it will be way worst for you.

>>76500690
Literal bullshit, hairloss from DHT in sweat will be way higher after not washing.
If you sweat significantly you should wash your fucking hair.
I hate these god damn shills so fucking much.
YOU LITERALLY RELEASE DHT IN SWEAT AND IT JUST SITS ON YOUR HAIR.
How many times do we have to say this shit?

Best hair I ever had in my life was when I washed daily. Sure the type of shampoo probably matters, but god damn man stop giving people bad information.
You have to clean your scalp, it's non optional.

There is a fucking reason hair grows the densest on the body as it follows the path that sweat follows. You can prove this yourself.

I guess the "jews" and "Big Pharma" only applies when it's something I personally don't use

>>76503266
that's weird some info indicates foam to work better even on top of being less of a hassle

>>76503266
you got proof for these claims, my man?

>>76503589
we don't deal with unnecessary details like that on this board

>>76503580
sauce?

>>76503594
Well, you're a nigger. And I DO have sauce on that.

>>76503598
heuhehueh

>>76500664 (OP)
Not everyone can have George Lucas hair genetics

>>76503580
>dht causes hair loss
>sweat has dht
>thats why parts of your body exposed to sweat the most has the most hair
Huh??

>>76500698
same situation, except that im still balding even tho none of my relatives is or was

>>76500690
all males in both families are bald, i don't think it's the champoo anon

>>76500836
Minoxidil makes my face melt, like seriously after a month of that shit I looked like an 80 year ols and it took half a year to go somewhat back to normal after discontinuing. And I only put it on my scalp. It can fuck with collagen and elastin synthesis.

>>76504261
I stopped it when I found more potent ching-chong herbs in >>76501671, but never had that problem with over a decade of use, and only even started supplement/cosmetic maxxing the last couple years.

>>76502089
>he doesn't know that list giga-mogs that "fin/min" deprecated boomer garbage

>>76500690

here again.

to you retards saying that's not it - why would you keep pouring slow release formaldehyde directly onto your scalp everyday, even if you have "balding genetics"?

that one anon found a new shampoo. are the rest of you going to keep rubbing formaldehyde directly onto your scalps?

>>76504352
>are the rest of you going to keep rubbing formaldehyde directly onto your scalps?
I've never even gotten a shampoo with it. There are a bunch that Google claims has it as an ingredient in it though, picrel.

Find a shampoo with a bunch of water-extracted mint in it if you want a serious 5-ARI.

>>76501873
>secondary effects only in less than 5% of users
Not worth the cascade of potential downsides. Everyone who shills fin is a tranny or has some kind of agenda, no exceptions.

>>76500699
>>76500836
I'd love it if Fin killed my libido but I never noticed a difference.

>>76500670
I had something happen at 33, started losing her, entered norwood 1,5 at 34 and currently losing ground. Been on Finasteride for 4 months now. Still shedding like a bitch

What am I supposed to do

>>76500836
Min is adding water to a leaking pool
Finasteride patches the pool (but you still need to add water)
That's why people take Min and Fin together. Take Min and you'll keep balding, only slower. Finasteride stops balding completely

>>76501954
>if your enemies make you echo yourself, you win

>>76500664 (OP)
Ynr finasteride depletes GABAa which you basically need in order not to be a depressed sack of shit

>>76504099
Maybe your dad isn't your dad?

>>76504503
>His dad was cucked by a balding guy
Hairbros...

>>76500664 (OP)
Life is easy when you can buy a house for $13 and resell it for $700k

Does Batana Oil work or is it bs?

>>76500836
minoxidil is proven to:
1. age your skin due to its method of action
2. Significantly accelerate the onset of grey hair

>>76504486
>Been on Finasteride for 4 months now. Still shedding like a bitch
>What am I supposed to do
go read >>76501671 and >>76503500 because protip: Clinton's FDA didn't solve hair loss.

>>76504582
it has no hits on Google Scholar, but excellent Amazon reviews... so I'll give you a 70/30 lmao.

>>76500670
genelet cope

>>76504424
When coming off, DHT levels return to normal and any secondary effects dissapear. Accused erectile disfunction afterwards is purely psihological

>>76504261
yeah I suppose that's a legit concern
just wash your hair everyday with girly botanicals and keep your nutrition status up

>>76504486
Wait

>>76503525
WRONG. You don't know what you're talking about. Lynch had perfect hair genes.

>>76503205
is this avatarfag the same spammer as op(kekke)? it would make alot of sense. he even types just like him.

>>76502466
Some people take oral minoxidil. The issues are still dry skin and heart palpitations. The only other issue is occasionally hirsutism aka unwanted body hair. I knew a girl who clearly used minox because she had hair growing past her temples onto her forehead. Minox downsides don't creep up on you and fuck your brain. If you feel strange, quit and that's it. Finasteride literally tanks your DHT (which is simultaneously a shitty yet highly important hormone for men) and makes 100% of its users have watery cum. The dramatic changes in mood and energy that often results from finasteride use can't even be compared to minoxidil. And the changes often stay after quitting.

>>76504346
>>76504590
I've seen all your posts and shitty original mees in the archive and you're still trying to pretend I don't know what you're doing. You're on here all the time. Seriously anon, what the fuck are you even doing? You have all these ridiculous products in your routine and you shill them on here as if I'm supposed to believe your advice on health. You don't post and act like a normal healthy person. Didn't you also claim to be rich lol? Pathetic

If anyone is confused about what I am referring to just go to desuarchive and search "singlet oxygen" in /fit/. Every post is from this schizo.

>>76505201
>When coming off, DHT levels return to normal and any secondary effects dissapear
SAFE AND EFFECTIVE!!!